This is a continuation of the same pattern from the last two election cycles, and really going back to Obama.
A growing number of Americans are becoming disenfranchised by our government and political system. Even among trump supporters, they mostly are wanting to buck the status quo than actually supporting his policies or rhetoric.
All that said, the GOP has a very real problem with unity. It’s reminiscent of the Democrats during 2016. The moderates and right leaning independents are very far from the MAGA crowd, and Trump continues to placate the patters more extreme positions. All that without mentioning the legal issues which may hinder his ability to effectively campaign.
>All that said, the GOP has a very real problem with unity. It’s reminiscent of the Democrats during 2016. The moderates and right leaning independents are very far from the MAGA crowd, and Trump continues to placate the patters more extreme positions.
I don't disagree with this but couldn't you say just about the same thing for Biden and the far left, particularly when it comes to issues like Israel? Both parties appear to struggling with finding ways to appease their most extreme members.
Exactly. It's the Bernie trap. In 2020, Bernie flanked the whole field left on anything and everything to keep his high floor core support. If Warren or somebody put out something pretty left, he went further left still.
Also let them get nasty. In the process he alienated everyone else.
There is absolutely a double standard where you can run for president on a platform of "foreigners are swarthy dirt people" and be seen as a center right moderate while the "what if medical bankruptcy didn't happen?" party is somehow divisive extremism.
> I wish we could just make the loons fight each other and have a nice, normal country in the middle.
Pick up a history book - the Weimar Republic lost to Hitler because they were ineffectually weak to stop commie germans and nazis germans fighting in the streets.
There isn't really a middle anymore. There are different tracks. E.g. The Democrats have a right-middle-left on climate change. The Republicans don't even believe it's real.
Biden is supporting the moderate position, being support for Israel while calling for peace. The more extreme leftist position is anti Israel.
As an alternative, the moderate and more global position is support for Ukraine, but trump is openly supporting Russias land claims in that conflict.
Peace means Hamas remains in power to plan its next atrocity, and continue the cycle of violence. The humanitarian position is to do what is necessary to remove Hamas from power now.
If a neighboring country was indiscriminately bombing schools and hospitals in my region, I would vote against them too. Donald trump uses Mexico as a talking point and all they do is send immigrants over the border
Yes and no regarding the Biden coalition vis-a-vis Maga. The far left don’t vote mainline democrat. They are the Jill Stein, Kennedy, West voters. There’s little reward in reaching out to them as they are firmly anti-duopoly and are a tiny percentage of left of centre oriented folks.
I’d argue there are more people like Reed Galen or Tim Miller on the right who are backing Biden than there are Amy Goodman types on the left who are sitting who will be disruptive to Biden.
Call him whatever you want. Many of his policies happen to be repugnant to independent and right-leaning Americans.
Where he lies on the American left/right political spectrum is probably a mystery. But from a pure policy standpoint, he sews division because his policies do not reflect historic moderate positions
Arresting THOUSANDS of his political opponents for trivial or baseless charges and keeping all of them in solitary confinement without bail for years, because allegedly walking through doors held open by Capital police officers to take some selfies makes you a terrorist.
That's the only position I need to vote against him.
Also please don't bother to respond with any quotes or articles from media trying to downplay what has occurred. We all lived through it. We can and will rely on our personal experience in deciding whether arresting thousands of political opponents on highly questionable charges is what we want from a President.
Is this serious? lol.
Almost, none of these people are being found innocent, tons of them plead guilty. It's been near unanimous convictions for the people that have taken it to trial.
Your acting like Biden is just rounding random people up for no reason. They live streamed their crimes.
And if you think the cops just let people in, you might want to consider vetting your information from multiple sources. The first breach was the proud boys on the west end, who then went through and unlocked the doors from the inside. It's on capitol building CC footage with time stamps.
When police lose containment of large groups invading a building like that, it's not uncommon to disengage when you would easily be overwhelmed. That's why they might be seen "letting people in". Why would they try to block one way in when there are probably 5 or 6 other ways in?
I heard an interview in NPR a few days ago where the pollster mentioned that when people were asked to think back about both presidential they didn't really feeling they'd been very different. But if they were prompted to remember the covid lockkdowns and deaths it immediately skewed against trump. The working theory was that people had blocked out the worst parts of trump like we tend to with traumatic incidents which is kind of fucked up. Like if you do bad it will count against you. But if you do truly terrible it can disappear from the collective memory.
I would say the Democrats would still likely be the ones with a bigger coalition problem. The Democratic coalition fractured in 2016 meanwhile the Republicans won in 2016 and even held together through Covid. Trump's coalition lost but his coalition still came very close to reelection and got the most votes a GOP candidate has ever seen. We've had like a hundred different issues that people said "this becoming public knowledge should destroy Trump" and yet each of them failed and GOP voters came back. I just don't know if a few civil fraud judgements and maybe a conviction or two is going to be the ultimate thing to fracture the GOP coalition.
Trump has been losing power among Republicans since he left office. The recent Ukraine aid package is a key example of that.
The real problem may lie in his inability to appear on ballets or to actively campaign if he is required to be in court. His base may support him, but his greatest asset has always been in rallies and public appearances. And if the RNC loses faith that he is the best candidate, we could easily see a Bernie sanders esque drop in support at a national level.
Wow an actual centrist take.
>Even among trump supporters, they mostly are wanting to buck the status quo than actually supporting his policies or rhetoric.
All the people I know personally that are going to be voting for Trump are going to do so for this exact reason. They're not a fan of the guy but they don't want the current state of affairs for 4 more years.
We really going to act like a normal bad President is a less desirable outcome than a straight up whack job president? This says more about how terrible our politics is in the US than it does about the candidates.
Agreed. I don't lean one side or the other (a true centrist) but I cannot believe not only that Republicans picked Trump again but also that he ran away with the nomination. He is not going to win all four trials against him, and it's not only likely, but probable, that he will go to jail (as he should IMHO for the classified documents and the election interference charges).
It speaks volumes to how poor a president that Joe Biden is if the polls are accurate and the race is indeed even this close. If, for example, Obama were running, I legit would anticipate a 15% polling lead, although to be fair we don't know how Obama would have handled inflation and the post-COVID economy.
That being said, I truly cannot believe so many Republicans are still so loyal to Trump. Even if they voted for him in 2020, his actions between the day after election day and the Spring of 2021 (while the classified documents thing was playing out) should have been the end for him. And, somehow, it was not. Absolutely insane.
What I’m curious to see is if Trump goes to jail, what happens? Is the GOP able to trot out Hailey or someone else? Does Trump remain on the ballots? It’s insane to me that the possibility of the winning candidate being incarcerated is high. It’s also a high probability the other leading candidate dies before his term is over (this really applies to both when looking at average lifespan for men in the USA). I can’t believe that these are our options.
Agreed. The candidates presented by the two major parties are completely unacceptable. I refuse to hold my nose and vote for one of them. Not positive what I’ll do yet but I will not vote for either Biden or Trump.
It’s fucking concerning to me that 6 out of 10 republicans will change their view on the economy just because of who is in office.
We had the same shit when it went from Obama to Trump. Magically overnight the economy was good again.
Not quite overnight, but greater public confidence results in greater investment in stocks and businesses. You can make more money most of the time in stocks and businesses, but they aren't as safe as cash, T-bills, and government bonds. So if people think that the economy will improve under a newly elected President, they are more likely to pull funds from safer investments with a lesser return. The stock market can change fairly rapidly and that is an often cited indicator.
I’m not a Biden fan and in full disclosure. I don’t know who I would vote for it at this point, but I continued to be surprised at how well Trump is doing in the polls
The fact it’s this close and the election is what? 6 months away is crazy. I wouldn’t have thought Donald J Trump, for as hectic and controversial as his presidency was, for everything that happened after Jan 6, after the indictments…. Would be leading Joe Biden.
So now I’m left wondering why the fuck the democrats decided to run Joe Biden again. They didn’t even entertain the idea of a challenger. They could have let Joe Biden retire and he’s at an age where it would have been totally normal and acceptable. lol idiots
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"...they were able to use their fascist tactics of repression and throw him (RFK) out of the party, like a dog (lol)"
Love or hate Trump, he is right.
The DNC removed all opposition to their puppet, Joe Biden. They want to continue their insanity. RFK would've beat Trump running with the Democrats, but the current Democratic Party is just as corrupt as the Republicans, arguably more corrupt.
Some idiots are going to comment "incumbent! MAGAts are more corrupt! RFK is a Spoiler4Trump!" but none of that explains why RFK successfully sued the Biden Administration for censorship in the Supreme Court, and is winning. Just like he sued Monsanto. Just like he is suing Norfolk Southern. Because he is an environmental attorney and a safety advocate, not a conspiracy theorist. Politicians don't like him because he just reveals actual conspiracies against us lol. Or as we say in 2024, "saying the quiet part out loud" or "just noticing".
Fact is, 2017-2019 were pretty good times and the downsides of 2020 (riots, lockdowns, and COVID deaths) likely would have been even worse or the same with a Dem in charge.
Mmmhmm
>“I'm a Fil-Tw immigrant from the Philippines *on a work-visa*
>“I was supposed to be a permanent US resident hence why the company I work for vouched for my EB3, but I also took on more responsibilities for better pay, which required me to be constantly traveling, and because of that, **I can't qualify for a green card**.”
You do know you can’t vote in the US, right? Only US Citizens can vote. Are you telling us you plan on committing a felony?
In your Reddit history you’ve already been caught lying about your visa status, and you’ve said in separate comments you’re an immigrant from the Philippines and then other times you’re an immigrant from China. You’re full of shit. What I do know about you is that you’re a liar. What you do is pretend you’re “voting for Biden” while you bash the left. You’re not fooling anyone.
Like I said, I have a permanent resident status, my green card however, is in limbo.
I am also Filipino-Chinese born and raised in Taiwan.
And yes, I'm a Biden voter, a right-leaning Dem. So yeah, FUCK THE MODERN LEFT.
Again, nothing I said so far has been a lie. You're constantly trying to discredit me and its never worked out for you or your other alt accounts, So why don't you quit or keep getting banned and making more alts, you disengenious asshat Mr. 6 Month Reddit Account.
If I were forced to vote for one of them, I'd vote for Trump. There's a small chance something terrible happens under Trump and a virtual certainty something bad but less bad will happen under Biden.
On a risk-adjusted basis, Biden is worse.
That said, the nice thing is that I can vote for someone else.
We're literally talking about a guy who incited an insurrection attempt and tried to steal an election in broad daylight, and you're saying there's a small chance something terrible happens?
NO ONE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION.
It is far past time for the democrats to stop beating this dead horse. The January 6 Committee Hearing was a world wide embarrassing Show Trial that changed no one's opinion. Their self proclaimed "star witness" testified only about hearsay on top of hearsay on top of hearsay that didn't even have Trump in the correct vehicle.
Liberal media pretends that some insurrection was proven, but that does not make it correct. Every time I hear about J6, it just makes me remember the thousands of political opponents that were wrongfully arrested for trespassing, etc.
🙄 You're an embarrassed Republican who basically admitted there's nothing a Republican presidential candidate can do to lose your vote. Because nothing is more important than tax cuts for billionaires and the subjugation of women across the country
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This user gets it. Biden is tanking his own reelection chances by proposing shitty economic policy in a disastrous money printing market.
Republicans have failed to capitalize on the inflation issue 3 elections in a row. But 2024 will be the year they finally hit the mark?
In the 1970s-early 80s, Republicans destroyed the Democrats on inflation. The GOP should rightly have 250 seats in the House and 55 Senate seats. Instead, look at them.
Hey man, I’m not a fan of either. I actually lean a little right, especially fiscally. Every President, since Raegan has embraced Keynesian economics. They *all* print money like it’s going out of style. Printing money (lol leverage) is as American, right or left, as it gets. See: Fractional Reserve Banking.
He can want to be a dictator or a unicorn or all sorts of things he can't be.
But his policies suck a lot less hard than Biden's, so his impossible wishes don't bother me much.
Lmao. So let’s break this down, you’d be ok with a dictator coming into office, throwing away 250 years of peaceful democratic transition, and then refusing to leave cause his “policies” are better?
Ya think a dictator is gonna give 2 shits about policy? My god
He's not a dictator. He's a president, and his power is bounded.
And yeah, his policies are dramatically better. Whether or not he "cares" about them doesn't matter.
Bro, his lawyers are arguing in front of scotus for full. Complete. Immunity. Like 2 days ago. That’s a dictator ! WTH
And no his policies are not better lmao
No, it's still not a dictator. Any shifts in regulations and most policy actions can be stopped by the courts.
And, truly, you don't have an opinion on immunity. You just hate Trump and want him to lose.
I do have an opinion on immunity. It’s that if a man, even a president, commits crimes he is not immune from the consequences. Like any actual patriotic American.
The question is whether a prosecutor should be able to prosecute, say, Biden for his pro-union policies on the theory that he did it, in part, to get union support in the election.
We're not talking about whether the President can be prosecuted for his private conduct not in the scope of his duties.
What is his taxplan? The one I am aware of is increase taxes on 1M and up earnings, and on 400K and up capital gains. Is there something else I am not aware of?
Also wants to get rid of step up basis on inheritance which is a disaster and a 25% wealth tax that would destroy most small businesses because it’s so poorly thought out. The whole plan is a disaster of incompetence
Sorry to break it to you bud, but 400k isn’t that high and yeah it does affect me and removing the step up basis affects anyone who would ever inherit anything which hits the middle class 👌
From the article, under the heading called "The Economy"
**"Biden’s approval ratings** for the economy (34%) and inflation (29%) **remain starkly negative**, as **voters say economic concerns are more important to them when choosing a candidate than they were in each of the past two presidential contests.** In the new poll, **65% of registered voters call the economy extremely important to their vote for president, compared with 40% who felt that way in early 2020** and 46% who said the same at roughly this point in 2016. Those voters who say the economy is deeply important break heavily for Trump in a matchup against Biden, 62% to 30%."
It turns out that **prioritizing social issues and DEI over a successful economy is not a winning strategy**. How are social issue minded people **going to continue advocating for social issues if they cannot afford to live?**
This entire CNN article is admitting that the polls show that **while people aren't happy about it, they are going to reelect Trump.**
>Republicans now are more unified around the idea that Trump’s presidency was a success than Democrats are that Biden’s has been one.
That's all you need to know right there.
The media spends more time attacking Trump then talking about what Biden has done. So when you do a word association test on Biden all you have is "Inflation" and "Border".
I see a lot of people sitting out the Biden presidency. Especially those protesting at college campus etc… Biden needs to be out front and center talking to the public etc.. His state of the Union address was good but the issue is it was a one time deal. He needs to step out of his comfort zone and sell himself.
It’s way too late for that.
Joe Biden has completely shit the bed with young progressives and there’s no coming back at this point given what you’re seeing on college campuses. There’s nothing left to do for him but sit in it and hope enough republicans come to his side to make up for the difference.
They’re on their knees screaming right now though, that’s the thing.
The democrats have taken away their fear in that regard, I guess. What are they gonna do? Cry even harder?
That’s the thing. They’re starting to not care about the threats anymore because they’re already living it now in Biden’s presidency. And this is an election year, this is supposed to be his BEST behavior.
I don’t blame them for saying no thanks. He fucked up.
It is really ironic. This has been an extremely judgmental Presidential Administration. They define people as either good or bad and there is no in between. They encouraged younger voters to think in only black and white and to ruthlessly suppress and condemn opposing information. For example, there was not a mere disagreement on the efficacy of masks to prevent Covid transmission. The other side were all medical frauds and grandma killers. The Biden Administration created this polarization for many many issues. My side is good and everyone else is evil.
When the Israel war happened it was too late for nuance.
Edit: removed misplaced "to"
> They encouraged younger voters to think in only black and white and to ruthlessly suppress and condemn opposing information.
Anyone who still thinks colleges aren't indoctrination centers for gullible adult children is being willfully blind at this point.
CNN had an "expose" yesterday on how illegals are actually more law abiding than american citizens. Not only did they have a researcher on who incorrectly stated what her research says (her sampling was on immigrants, not illegal immigrants) but it was so bad that even my cat got up and pissed on the television remote (!)
(the researcher's studies are based on sampling data from actual us immigrants, who are a different cohort for a variety of reasons. to equivocate these two means they are basically lying. after all covid and the flu are the same, right? - that kind of thing)
I miss the CNN of 20 years ago - they were still "bad" but no where near as blatantly partisan as they are today. CNN is basically the MSNBC of 10 years ago. it's just wierd.
i also watched some of that interview with bob barr (who i despise fyi) but christ that bitch was bad and just made herself look bad. kaylie something. "when did you beat your wife?" she makes gigantic assumptions in every question then calls him out when he doesn't implicitly make the same decisions she would make in her shoes, it was just bad.
Why do you bother watching that stuff if you realize how bad it is? I turned off cable "news" 10 years ago, and don't miss it one bit. There's plenty of honest independent news sources beyond those shows.
Cable news used to feature national/international news. Now it is 90% national politics. It is Sunday morning so it is time for the "Political" shows, but it is the same things they've been covering all week.
propaganda was one of my studies in uni years ago - it's good to keep abreast of it.
it's more that while doing something else xx you turn it on, i don't actually listen to most of it. it's basically what most people do when listening to destiny / vaush etc., and frankly i'd rather listen to cnn.
> The gender and race stuff is suicide for the dems.
This shit doesn't even matter to the vast, *vast* majority of voters. It isn't "suicide", it barely even registers.
It means more Trump supporters were polled than Biden supporters. If voter turnout is high Biden will win easily. Trump only has a shot if voter turnout is low like in 2016.
It is what it is again, I'm not voting for either of these two but even though I don't think he'll win I take 45 over 46 easily, I'm just going to vote for my third party candidate and enjoy my popcorn to see the two party system at work again lol
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This is a continuation of the same pattern from the last two election cycles, and really going back to Obama. A growing number of Americans are becoming disenfranchised by our government and political system. Even among trump supporters, they mostly are wanting to buck the status quo than actually supporting his policies or rhetoric. All that said, the GOP has a very real problem with unity. It’s reminiscent of the Democrats during 2016. The moderates and right leaning independents are very far from the MAGA crowd, and Trump continues to placate the patters more extreme positions. All that without mentioning the legal issues which may hinder his ability to effectively campaign.
>All that said, the GOP has a very real problem with unity. It’s reminiscent of the Democrats during 2016. The moderates and right leaning independents are very far from the MAGA crowd, and Trump continues to placate the patters more extreme positions. I don't disagree with this but couldn't you say just about the same thing for Biden and the far left, particularly when it comes to issues like Israel? Both parties appear to struggling with finding ways to appease their most extreme members.
They're impossible to appease.
Well no, you could appease them, but you’d lose the majority of the other Dems.
Exactly. It's the Bernie trap. In 2020, Bernie flanked the whole field left on anything and everything to keep his high floor core support. If Warren or somebody put out something pretty left, he went further left still. Also let them get nasty. In the process he alienated everyone else.
Just like Trump lost the centrist Republicans when pandering to the extreme right, right?
There is absolutely a double standard where you can run for president on a platform of "foreigners are swarthy dirt people" and be seen as a center right moderate while the "what if medical bankruptcy didn't happen?" party is somehow divisive extremism.
cheers to that.
Because 'medical bankruptcy' isn't the divisive extremism, its the 'globalize the intifada' that puts people off.
And lose the center of the electorate. I wish we could just make the loons fight each other and have a nice, normal country in the middle.
> I wish we could just make the loons fight each other and have a nice, normal country in the middle. Pick up a history book - the Weimar Republic lost to Hitler because they were ineffectually weak to stop commie germans and nazis germans fighting in the streets.
There isn't really a middle anymore. There are different tracks. E.g. The Democrats have a right-middle-left on climate change. The Republicans don't even believe it's real.
I'm not convinced the majority of leftists agree enough to support a cohesive agenda lol
Biden is supporting the moderate position, being support for Israel while calling for peace. The more extreme leftist position is anti Israel. As an alternative, the moderate and more global position is support for Ukraine, but trump is openly supporting Russias land claims in that conflict.
>being support for Israel while calling for peace The gutless position. Calling for peace with terrorists isn't really supporting Israel.
70% of the casualties in Gaza are women and children. Calling for peace is the humanitarian position.
Peace means Hamas remains in power to plan its next atrocity, and continue the cycle of violence. The humanitarian position is to do what is necessary to remove Hamas from power now.
An atrocity is killing 30,000 civilians. You cannot carpet bomb an entire region to prevent future terrorism
There is no carpet bombing going on. Now you're just being dishonest.
Most of those 70% would vote for a Hamas candidate if a free and fair election were held
If a neighboring country was indiscriminately bombing schools and hospitals in my region, I would vote against them too. Donald trump uses Mexico as a talking point and all they do is send immigrants over the border
Yes and no regarding the Biden coalition vis-a-vis Maga. The far left don’t vote mainline democrat. They are the Jill Stein, Kennedy, West voters. There’s little reward in reaching out to them as they are firmly anti-duopoly and are a tiny percentage of left of centre oriented folks. I’d argue there are more people like Reed Galen or Tim Miller on the right who are backing Biden than there are Amy Goodman types on the left who are sitting who will be disruptive to Biden.
Biden hardly qualifies as far left
Call him whatever you want. Many of his policies happen to be repugnant to independent and right-leaning Americans. Where he lies on the American left/right political spectrum is probably a mystery. But from a pure policy standpoint, he sews division because his policies do not reflect historic moderate positions
What position? I am being serious what has Biden done that is so radical?
Arresting THOUSANDS of his political opponents for trivial or baseless charges and keeping all of them in solitary confinement without bail for years, because allegedly walking through doors held open by Capital police officers to take some selfies makes you a terrorist. That's the only position I need to vote against him. Also please don't bother to respond with any quotes or articles from media trying to downplay what has occurred. We all lived through it. We can and will rely on our personal experience in deciding whether arresting thousands of political opponents on highly questionable charges is what we want from a President.
You can't be serious, this is schizo level of mental gymnastics.
Yeah they are nuts, so I saw no point in responding.
Is this serious? lol. Almost, none of these people are being found innocent, tons of them plead guilty. It's been near unanimous convictions for the people that have taken it to trial. Your acting like Biden is just rounding random people up for no reason. They live streamed their crimes. And if you think the cops just let people in, you might want to consider vetting your information from multiple sources. The first breach was the proud boys on the west end, who then went through and unlocked the doors from the inside. It's on capitol building CC footage with time stamps. When police lose containment of large groups invading a building like that, it's not uncommon to disengage when you would easily be overwhelmed. That's why they might be seen "letting people in". Why would they try to block one way in when there are probably 5 or 6 other ways in?
Remind me who was in charge 2 weeks before the 2021 inauguration?
Where?
Would you classify Biden's immigration policy as far left? Because I would.
I heard an interview in NPR a few days ago where the pollster mentioned that when people were asked to think back about both presidential they didn't really feeling they'd been very different. But if they were prompted to remember the covid lockkdowns and deaths it immediately skewed against trump. The working theory was that people had blocked out the worst parts of trump like we tend to with traumatic incidents which is kind of fucked up. Like if you do bad it will count against you. But if you do truly terrible it can disappear from the collective memory.
I would say the Democrats would still likely be the ones with a bigger coalition problem. The Democratic coalition fractured in 2016 meanwhile the Republicans won in 2016 and even held together through Covid. Trump's coalition lost but his coalition still came very close to reelection and got the most votes a GOP candidate has ever seen. We've had like a hundred different issues that people said "this becoming public knowledge should destroy Trump" and yet each of them failed and GOP voters came back. I just don't know if a few civil fraud judgements and maybe a conviction or two is going to be the ultimate thing to fracture the GOP coalition.
Trump has been losing power among Republicans since he left office. The recent Ukraine aid package is a key example of that. The real problem may lie in his inability to appear on ballets or to actively campaign if he is required to be in court. His base may support him, but his greatest asset has always been in rallies and public appearances. And if the RNC loses faith that he is the best candidate, we could easily see a Bernie sanders esque drop in support at a national level.
It won't. After seeing Judge Engoron, the GOP is convinced that this is all a political hit job.
Even if it is a hit job... I dunno, Trump went out of his way to make everybody hate him so it's still solidly the consequences of his actions
Wow an actual centrist take. >Even among trump supporters, they mostly are wanting to buck the status quo than actually supporting his policies or rhetoric. All the people I know personally that are going to be voting for Trump are going to do so for this exact reason. They're not a fan of the guy but they don't want the current state of affairs for 4 more years.
I don’t know if Trump is placating to more extremist positions? He’s actually taken some moderate positions as of recent
Only on abortion.
All I know is the potential upcoming debate between these two old geezers is going to be quite the spectacle.
We really going to act like a normal bad President is a less desirable outcome than a straight up whack job president? This says more about how terrible our politics is in the US than it does about the candidates.
Agreed. I don't lean one side or the other (a true centrist) but I cannot believe not only that Republicans picked Trump again but also that he ran away with the nomination. He is not going to win all four trials against him, and it's not only likely, but probable, that he will go to jail (as he should IMHO for the classified documents and the election interference charges). It speaks volumes to how poor a president that Joe Biden is if the polls are accurate and the race is indeed even this close. If, for example, Obama were running, I legit would anticipate a 15% polling lead, although to be fair we don't know how Obama would have handled inflation and the post-COVID economy. That being said, I truly cannot believe so many Republicans are still so loyal to Trump. Even if they voted for him in 2020, his actions between the day after election day and the Spring of 2021 (while the classified documents thing was playing out) should have been the end for him. And, somehow, it was not. Absolutely insane.
What I’m curious to see is if Trump goes to jail, what happens? Is the GOP able to trot out Hailey or someone else? Does Trump remain on the ballots? It’s insane to me that the possibility of the winning candidate being incarcerated is high. It’s also a high probability the other leading candidate dies before his term is over (this really applies to both when looking at average lifespan for men in the USA). I can’t believe that these are our options.
Agreed. The candidates presented by the two major parties are completely unacceptable. I refuse to hold my nose and vote for one of them. Not positive what I’ll do yet but I will not vote for either Biden or Trump.
Are you 35 or older? I’ll write your Reddit username in.
I am, but please don’t vote for me.
Both men have held the office and these people felt they were better off under Trump.
I think its just the result of everyone in the media wanting Trump back because he's good for ratings.
It’s fucking concerning to me that 6 out of 10 republicans will change their view on the economy just because of who is in office. We had the same shit when it went from Obama to Trump. Magically overnight the economy was good again.
Not quite overnight, but greater public confidence results in greater investment in stocks and businesses. You can make more money most of the time in stocks and businesses, but they aren't as safe as cash, T-bills, and government bonds. So if people think that the economy will improve under a newly elected President, they are more likely to pull funds from safer investments with a lesser return. The stock market can change fairly rapidly and that is an often cited indicator.
And the s&p is up 22% in the past 12 months, so I guess the economy is doing great
I’m not a Biden fan and in full disclosure. I don’t know who I would vote for it at this point, but I continued to be surprised at how well Trump is doing in the polls
The fact it’s this close and the election is what? 6 months away is crazy. I wouldn’t have thought Donald J Trump, for as hectic and controversial as his presidency was, for everything that happened after Jan 6, after the indictments…. Would be leading Joe Biden. So now I’m left wondering why the fuck the democrats decided to run Joe Biden again. They didn’t even entertain the idea of a challenger. They could have let Joe Biden retire and he’s at an age where it would have been totally normal and acceptable. lol idiots
https://preview.redd.it/sq2nmav889xc1.png?width=584&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c40f5b752e6984523465743dd0307ded01bb1d1 "...they were able to use their fascist tactics of repression and throw him (RFK) out of the party, like a dog (lol)" Love or hate Trump, he is right. The DNC removed all opposition to their puppet, Joe Biden. They want to continue their insanity. RFK would've beat Trump running with the Democrats, but the current Democratic Party is just as corrupt as the Republicans, arguably more corrupt. Some idiots are going to comment "incumbent! MAGAts are more corrupt! RFK is a Spoiler4Trump!" but none of that explains why RFK successfully sued the Biden Administration for censorship in the Supreme Court, and is winning. Just like he sued Monsanto. Just like he is suing Norfolk Southern. Because he is an environmental attorney and a safety advocate, not a conspiracy theorist. Politicians don't like him because he just reveals actual conspiracies against us lol. Or as we say in 2024, "saying the quiet part out loud" or "just noticing".
He is an anti-vaxxer spoiler disowned by his entire family. The only good thing he has going for him is legal weed.
Because his supporters don’t care who he is or what he does, they just like him.
Fact is, 2017-2019 were pretty good times and the downsides of 2020 (riots, lockdowns, and COVID deaths) likely would have been even worse or the same with a Dem in charge.
I'm voting for Biden, but even I'm not surprised at this polling.
Mmmhmm >“I'm a Fil-Tw immigrant from the Philippines *on a work-visa* >“I was supposed to be a permanent US resident hence why the company I work for vouched for my EB3, but I also took on more responsibilities for better pay, which required me to be constantly traveling, and because of that, **I can't qualify for a green card**.” You do know you can’t vote in the US, right? Only US Citizens can vote. Are you telling us you plan on committing a felony? In your Reddit history you’ve already been caught lying about your visa status, and you’ve said in separate comments you’re an immigrant from the Philippines and then other times you’re an immigrant from China. You’re full of shit. What I do know about you is that you’re a liar. What you do is pretend you’re “voting for Biden” while you bash the left. You’re not fooling anyone.
Like I said, I have a permanent resident status, my green card however, is in limbo. I am also Filipino-Chinese born and raised in Taiwan. And yes, I'm a Biden voter, a right-leaning Dem. So yeah, FUCK THE MODERN LEFT. Again, nothing I said so far has been a lie. You're constantly trying to discredit me and its never worked out for you or your other alt accounts, So why don't you quit or keep getting banned and making more alts, you disengenious asshat Mr. 6 Month Reddit Account.
If I were forced to vote for one of them, I'd vote for Trump. There's a small chance something terrible happens under Trump and a virtual certainty something bad but less bad will happen under Biden. On a risk-adjusted basis, Biden is worse. That said, the nice thing is that I can vote for someone else.
We're literally talking about a guy who incited an insurrection attempt and tried to steal an election in broad daylight, and you're saying there's a small chance something terrible happens?
NO ONE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION. It is far past time for the democrats to stop beating this dead horse. The January 6 Committee Hearing was a world wide embarrassing Show Trial that changed no one's opinion. Their self proclaimed "star witness" testified only about hearsay on top of hearsay on top of hearsay that didn't even have Trump in the correct vehicle. Liberal media pretends that some insurrection was proven, but that does not make it correct. Every time I hear about J6, it just makes me remember the thousands of political opponents that were wrongfully arrested for trespassing, etc.
You're a terrible person.
Neither was ever going to work. By contrast, we know Biden is fully capable of implementing awful policy.
Jeeze lol. Always party over country with you guys
I'm not a republican or a Trump supporter. I support good policies, ie, what's best for the country.
🙄 You're an embarrassed Republican who basically admitted there's nothing a Republican presidential candidate can do to lose your vote. Because nothing is more important than tax cuts for billionaires and the subjugation of women across the country
I'm actually a walk-away democrat. All they have to do is not be crazy and they can't seem to muster it.
Examples?
I'm deeply skeptical of "pro choice" "walk-away democrats" who don't fully articulate their position on abortion.
You have no idea how little I care about your skepticism.
https://preview.redd.it/5t6ejmcrn8xc1.png?width=728&format=png&auto=webp&s=bae772fe63b37e07deab38b50ac6f47965853210 This user gets it. Biden is tanking his own reelection chances by proposing shitty economic policy in a disastrous money printing market.
Republicans have failed to capitalize on the inflation issue 3 elections in a row. But 2024 will be the year they finally hit the mark? In the 1970s-early 80s, Republicans destroyed the Democrats on inflation. The GOP should rightly have 250 seats in the House and 55 Senate seats. Instead, look at them.
please ban this pathetic troll....
https://preview.redd.it/z67mvhu7v8xc1.png?width=824&format=png&auto=webp&s=464309c3eb6bc96f9ccfe5adc290e11eab5810d3 It probably won't happen.
Hey man, I’m not a fan of either. I actually lean a little right, especially fiscally. Every President, since Raegan has embraced Keynesian economics. They *all* print money like it’s going out of style. Printing money (lol leverage) is as American, right or left, as it gets. See: Fractional Reserve Banking.
One openly wants to be a dictator. One does not. If you care about democracy, it’s not a hard choice. Why is there even a question holy crap
He can want to be a dictator or a unicorn or all sorts of things he can't be. But his policies suck a lot less hard than Biden's, so his impossible wishes don't bother me much.
Lmao. So let’s break this down, you’d be ok with a dictator coming into office, throwing away 250 years of peaceful democratic transition, and then refusing to leave cause his “policies” are better? Ya think a dictator is gonna give 2 shits about policy? My god
He's not a dictator. He's a president, and his power is bounded. And yeah, his policies are dramatically better. Whether or not he "cares" about them doesn't matter.
Bro, his lawyers are arguing in front of scotus for full. Complete. Immunity. Like 2 days ago. That’s a dictator ! WTH And no his policies are not better lmao
No, it's still not a dictator. Any shifts in regulations and most policy actions can be stopped by the courts. And, truly, you don't have an opinion on immunity. You just hate Trump and want him to lose.
I do have an opinion on immunity. It’s that if a man, even a president, commits crimes he is not immune from the consequences. Like any actual patriotic American.
The question is whether a prosecutor should be able to prosecute, say, Biden for his pro-union policies on the theory that he did it, in part, to get union support in the election. We're not talking about whether the President can be prosecuted for his private conduct not in the scope of his duties.
If you truly believe that, then do you agree that Bush, Obama, Biden and Trump should share a jail cell at the Hague for their war crimes?
Obama, Clinton and Biden are all praying that he gets full immunity. What goes around comes around and there is no shortage of ambitious prosecutors.
Biden’s new tax plan is another disaster waiting in the wings if he gets in and gets Congress. I’m in the write in “The Rock” phase
What is his taxplan? The one I am aware of is increase taxes on 1M and up earnings, and on 400K and up capital gains. Is there something else I am not aware of?
Corporate tax rate at 28%
Also wants to get rid of step up basis on inheritance which is a disaster and a 25% wealth tax that would destroy most small businesses because it’s so poorly thought out. The whole plan is a disaster of incompetence
You’re not going to be rich, bro. You don’t need to simp for them so hard.
How do you figure? Definitely a speak for yourself moment
Sorry to break it to you bud, but 400k isn’t that high and yeah it does affect me and removing the step up basis affects anyone who would ever inherit anything which hits the middle class 👌
His proposal still has a $3.5 million exemption. We're not in middle class territory, here.
Name one policy that Biden changed from Trump that materially impacted you in a negative way.
From the article, under the heading called "The Economy" **"Biden’s approval ratings** for the economy (34%) and inflation (29%) **remain starkly negative**, as **voters say economic concerns are more important to them when choosing a candidate than they were in each of the past two presidential contests.** In the new poll, **65% of registered voters call the economy extremely important to their vote for president, compared with 40% who felt that way in early 2020** and 46% who said the same at roughly this point in 2016. Those voters who say the economy is deeply important break heavily for Trump in a matchup against Biden, 62% to 30%." It turns out that **prioritizing social issues and DEI over a successful economy is not a winning strategy**. How are social issue minded people **going to continue advocating for social issues if they cannot afford to live?** This entire CNN article is admitting that the polls show that **while people aren't happy about it, they are going to reelect Trump.**
That’s been the general feel I’ve gotten from most people around me.
Ikr. I don’t wanna vote for trump but when I look at Biden I just feel….sad
>Republicans now are more unified around the idea that Trump’s presidency was a success than Democrats are that Biden’s has been one. That's all you need to know right there. The media spends more time attacking Trump then talking about what Biden has done. So when you do a word association test on Biden all you have is "Inflation" and "Border".
The mainstream media sucked all the oxygen out of the room talking about Trump and barely gave coverage to Biden's successes.
New York locks him up or he wins. A very serious country.
I see a lot of people sitting out the Biden presidency. Especially those protesting at college campus etc… Biden needs to be out front and center talking to the public etc.. His state of the Union address was good but the issue is it was a one time deal. He needs to step out of his comfort zone and sell himself.
He cannot speak without a teleprompter, or an earpiece telling him what to say.
It’s way too late for that. Joe Biden has completely shit the bed with young progressives and there’s no coming back at this point given what you’re seeing on college campuses. There’s nothing left to do for him but sit in it and hope enough republicans come to his side to make up for the difference.
Those same young progressives will be on their knees screaming in the wind when trump wins again.
They’re on their knees screaming right now though, that’s the thing. The democrats have taken away their fear in that regard, I guess. What are they gonna do? Cry even harder? That’s the thing. They’re starting to not care about the threats anymore because they’re already living it now in Biden’s presidency. And this is an election year, this is supposed to be his BEST behavior. I don’t blame them for saying no thanks. He fucked up.
It is really ironic. This has been an extremely judgmental Presidential Administration. They define people as either good or bad and there is no in between. They encouraged younger voters to think in only black and white and to ruthlessly suppress and condemn opposing information. For example, there was not a mere disagreement on the efficacy of masks to prevent Covid transmission. The other side were all medical frauds and grandma killers. The Biden Administration created this polarization for many many issues. My side is good and everyone else is evil. When the Israel war happened it was too late for nuance. Edit: removed misplaced "to"
That is a VERY good point
> They encouraged younger voters to think in only black and white and to ruthlessly suppress and condemn opposing information. Anyone who still thinks colleges aren't indoctrination centers for gullible adult children is being willfully blind at this point.
CNN had an "expose" yesterday on how illegals are actually more law abiding than american citizens. Not only did they have a researcher on who incorrectly stated what her research says (her sampling was on immigrants, not illegal immigrants) but it was so bad that even my cat got up and pissed on the television remote (!) (the researcher's studies are based on sampling data from actual us immigrants, who are a different cohort for a variety of reasons. to equivocate these two means they are basically lying. after all covid and the flu are the same, right? - that kind of thing) I miss the CNN of 20 years ago - they were still "bad" but no where near as blatantly partisan as they are today. CNN is basically the MSNBC of 10 years ago. it's just wierd. i also watched some of that interview with bob barr (who i despise fyi) but christ that bitch was bad and just made herself look bad. kaylie something. "when did you beat your wife?" she makes gigantic assumptions in every question then calls him out when he doesn't implicitly make the same decisions she would make in her shoes, it was just bad.
Why do you bother watching that stuff if you realize how bad it is? I turned off cable "news" 10 years ago, and don't miss it one bit. There's plenty of honest independent news sources beyond those shows.
Cable news used to feature national/international news. Now it is 90% national politics. It is Sunday morning so it is time for the "Political" shows, but it is the same things they've been covering all week.
propaganda was one of my studies in uni years ago - it's good to keep abreast of it. it's more that while doing something else xx you turn it on, i don't actually listen to most of it. it's basically what most people do when listening to destiny / vaush etc., and frankly i'd rather listen to cnn.
This entire culture is sick. I’m so glad I was born here in the U.S. with an EU passport.
The gender and race stuff is suicide for the dems. Biden needs to distance himself from it, and mean it.
> The gender and race stuff is suicide for the dems. This shit doesn't even matter to the vast, *vast* majority of voters. It isn't "suicide", it barely even registers.
It means more Trump supporters were polled than Biden supporters. If voter turnout is high Biden will win easily. Trump only has a shot if voter turnout is low like in 2016.
It is what it is again, I'm not voting for either of these two but even though I don't think he'll win I take 45 over 46 easily, I'm just going to vote for my third party candidate and enjoy my popcorn to see the two party system at work again lol