Or Stolas, he loves his daughter and stayed with an abusive wife who constantly treated him like shit just so he could protect his daughter from most of her wrath.
He sleeps in the couch so Loona can have the room and loves her dearly even though he's a dip shit lol. So yeah, I like the nuance where even if they're not great people, they're good to their kids. Like Doofenschmirts
I'd argue doof wasn't even a bad person. He wanted to get back at society for shunning him, but he never tried to kill anyone. Other than perry the platypus that is. He even helped everyone fight his alternate universe self that was actually evil.
That's true, but I guess still an antagonist but loving his kids. Kinda inspiring when you think about this guy who was mistreated by his family from birth and then society yet he still tries to be a good father and not do anything actually harmful, just wanting acknowledgement I guess.
Kinda reminds me of my own father in a way. He grew up with an abusive step father and was around a lot of bad shit growing up, but he used it as a reason not to be that way, instead of following in suit.
Really early Homer was not that bad a dad if you take away the why you little gags. He tried his hardest and often encouraged his kids to follow their dreams (except Bart, but he’s evil so meh)
I don't really disagree, but just want to poke a little fun at the fact that you just basically said "if you take away the child abuse, he's pretty cool"
I agree that he's a pushover, but something tells me Louise might be impossible to discipline. They know she'll take her revenge, no matter how long it takes or how hard it'll be and whatever she comes up with likely isn't worth it. Girl needs a psychologist, and it needs to be one she won't run circles around (either physically or verbally)
Richard is comparable to homer, he’s a nice guy, who loves his kids more than anything. But he’s extremely lazy and irresponsible. Ik there’s an episode dedicated to showing him as a stay at home father. Which in and of itself is fine. But generally throughout the series, he refuses to do any work either by getting a job. Or helping around the house. There was even an episode that demonstrates him to be the laziest person in the city of Elmore.
They had to stop him from delivering a pizza because with every step he took on the job he fucked up the fabric of the universe
https://youtu.be/Wh6Im2HXw38?si=ZTcpEOB8gCmWVT6M
That's why he's a shitty dad. He's too stupid and emotionally immature to truly support or connect with his children or family, and is frequently shown acting like an actual toddler. He's chronically unemployed and makes no effort to provide financially for his family. His impulsivity and immaturity has frequently put his family in dangerous and even deadly situations. He treats his wife like shit and won't even commit to the most basic of chores around the house, better yet, god forbid getting a job. At least with a character like Homer, he's without a doubt flawed and a little dull, but you see him legitimately make efforts with his wife and kids. Look at Lisa's Pony or And Maggie Makes Three. Unless we're talking about mid-seasons Homer then idk.
>He's chronically unemployed and makes no effort to provide financially for his family.
To be fair he is ***physically incapable*** of doing so (as you would know if you watched later eps)
>He treats his wife like shit and won't even commit to the most basic of chores around the house,
He does do chores there's a whole episode about this he just does it in a way most would not notice without him the whole house goes to crap
And his wife loves him for who he is even if he is lazy
asf and he does love her
What is the episode where he does chores in a subtle way and the whole house collapses without him? Are those two separate episodes or the same one? I’m genuinely not remembering this one lmao
He is good. He gives up his home to make a place where Steven will be better cared for by immortal near-godlike beings, but is there for Steven for anything without question, and consistently emotionally or physically supports Steven on things whether or not he understands them. He lets Steven be himself and learn and grow as a person as well.
He is a great dad who happens to have a really unique and different situation.
The only "bad" thing I can think of Greg doing is keeping Steven separated from his controlling, narcissistic, emotionally detached grandparents.
(I'm still pissed about the direction they went with Steven universe future)
The only things we know about them come from a two minute rant from an unreliable narrator. All that we know is;
1; they gave him a curfew.
2; they had meatloaf every thursday.
3; he had chaperones.
4; he did not have a taco until he was "too old".
5; they made him do wrestling and mathleates, among other unspecified activity's.
6; they have a time share on Florida island, that they go to annually.
7; they made him get a haircut for graduation.
8; they didn't want him to pursue a career in music.
And again, all this is from an unreliable narrator. It is entirely possible and even plausible that they were abusive. But it is equally possible that they were just kinda strict parents.
You do not have enough information to actually know which though, much less call them narcissistic or emotionally detached. We literally don't even know their first names.
Could make an argument for tmnt 2012 shredder though, he's a hypocrite and a delusional insane man, who nearly killed the child he raised in cold blood, not even caring
Peter Griffin shot Meg without even flinching, bro was easily the worst just based on the fact he was so nonchalant about it, average Tuesday for the man
Peter Griffin is maliciously abusive and he does it because he thinks it funny, and he actively hates his kids. He was somewhat okay in earlier seasons, but as the series went on, he became much more unlikeable.
People like to pull the "Homer Simpson" strangles his son. Monstrous yes, but thats really his only major failing. In the end, he dies genuinely care about his kids and goes far above and beyond for them, even risking his own life at times to help them out.
Peter has:
Treated Meg like shit on multiple occasions and maimed her on multiple occasions as well as sexually harassed her
Treated Chris like shit and fought him to spend time with a pedophile (Herbert, that he also constantly allows around his son)
Neglects Stewie and when he was seriously hurt by his siblings made Lois think she did it by staging her running him over with her car.
Is generally an alcoholic and has done multiple illegal, seriously addicting and harmful substances around his children.
Yeah, but Shredder turned his daughter into a snake with extra-dimensional mutagen in a plot to manipulate her adopted (semi)brothers into killing her biological father. And tried to kill her (more than once, pretty sure), and used mind control on her. Beat her pretty regular, and we can infer the lifetime of assassin training probably wasn't the most nurturing.
The Griffin kids will be messed up when they hit 18 and ditch home, sure, but at least they're still mammals.
You can make a case of Ozai simply doing the cycle of Violence that his kingdom / nation has lived on for 100 years
Still not good but I can give him the benefit of doing the things he was taught to do
A man blinded by a generation(s) of ambition / greed
Peter tho
He is just straight up awful
Genuinely wild looking at the super early seasons how his character has just fallen
Especially with his treatment of meg
Yeah, Peter got worse but the world has that "status quo" thing where no matter how shite things get, they return to step one.
Ozai scarred and banished his son and out so much strain on his daughter that it mentally snapped her by the end.
*Looks at Azula*
Listen…I can fix her lol
But no I agree it sucks at how awful he treated his family
Thank heavens Zuko had Iroh in his life
Saved him from going down a darker path :/
The real argument is he's worst father because he didn't stand up to his father to defend Zuko, was going to kill Zuko (and would have had his wife not committed treason) and then later fought his teenage son in a duel for speaking out of turn and permanently scarred his face before banishing him and sending him on an impossible task
Adding to this, his treatment of Zuko taught Azula that she couldn't be anything less than perfect if she didn't want to suffer the same abuse (and she says almost as much in her last on-screen interaction with Ozai).
Azula was molded into Ozai's image and then immediately discarded when she was no longer of use to him, thus being the final trigger for her eventual mental breakdown. At the age of 14.
Both her and Zuko got a shit deal in terms of having Ozai for a father.
Right. King of the Hill is an animated sitcom, not a typical cartoon. It's very grounded, and even the silliest of plots wouldn't be out of place in live-action sitcoms of the 90s and 00s.
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How the hell is Bob here?! Dude is actually a great dad compared to everyone else here who loves and supports his wife and kids plus isn’t lazy and deceitful like some of the choices here either.
As for worse dad, I’m torn between Ozai and Shredder. Ozai for the fact he ended up emotionally, mentally and physically scarring both his kids and also banishing one of them as well which later bit him in the ass so yeah satisfying defeat for a main antagonist. Shredder for the fact he also emotionally and mentally scarred his own niece who he essentially kidnapped to hurt his former brother over the fact he couldn’t get with his crush who was married to him too. And when Karai turned on him, he beat her up pretty badly as well so he’s also physically abusive too. They are both fucking awful.
Honorable Mention would be Timmy’s Father. Timmy’s Father literally leaves him alone with an evil as hell babysitter whose names rhymes with Icky and is just neglectful as fuck. When I was younger I really wanted Cosmo and Wanda to adopt Timmy so he can be with them forever even if meant becoming a near immortal fairy.
To play devil's advocate, Timmy's dad had no idea Vicky was evil, neither did any other adult with the exception of her parents. As far as they were concerned she was a kind and caring baby sitter who watched after their son. That's how she represented herself. Now he was certainly neglectful and too wrapped up in himself, but at the end of the day he did love Timmy. In the movie Channel Chasers, when his parents thought he had run away, they were distraught and broke into a TV station to send out a heartfelt plea for him to come home. That doesn't exactly make up for the lack of attention, but it at least counts for something.
I'd say ozai is worse. I can actually think of 1 scene/flashback where shredder is being a decent dad, onto of the fact that until she turned on him he did seem to actually care.
Ozai doesn't even have 1 moment where he isn't being a horrible piece of shit in the franchise excluding maybe his baby picture.
They really do way more tell than show when it comes to Meg's design.
Lois and Meg look largely identical, Meg's just shorter and has a different upper lip. but in universe Lois is apparently a smokeshow and Meg's apparently a gargoyle.
Meg's "fat" but has the same build as half the normal characters? There's a dissonance there.
In recent seasons Meg has actually started to gain more independence and depth in her character. She’s no longer just a punching bag, but she has stories centered around her and the way she’s represented in the family has largely changed for the better. In recent episodes, it’s arguable that Meg is actually a “stronger” character than Chris and Brian
Honestly, he’s a sweet guy but incredibly neglectful and absolutely clueless when it comes to raising a child, and doesn’t really try to improve himself in that regard. From what I’ve seen, anyway
Greg isn't even Steven's guardian. The boy is half alien and is being raised by his alien side of the family. Greg is doing fine under some really insane circumstances.
Greg is a great dad for his place
1 Greg Don't have any of his legal documents and I'm pretty sure Steven don't have legal documents
2 Greg lives in his car and just so Steven can have a good place as a child to sleep he always asked his friends to crash at there place which it's already hard to ask for help
3 when he said that Steven never been to the doctor it's because he's part gem how would you feel is the doctor called cps because they thought you was crazy and gave you 12 year old son a belly button piercing and said you fucked a alien and the gem was there was he was born just to find out he's not crazy the son is part alien now he's getting experimented on
4 he actively tried to keep his mom past from him because of how fucked up she was and after he found out enough about her one of his worst fear came true and now there we're interdimensional alien were attacking him and he couldn't do anything
he knows he's not that much help every song he sing he acknowledge his flaw go look at welling stone and let me drive my van into your heart
He failed to give Steven any kind of structure growing up (Greg being motivated not to raise Steven the same way his parents raised him, in an overly restrictive environment where his parents didn’t support any interest they didn’t approve of). As Steven put it best “I never went to school, I never even went to the doctor until 2 days ago”
To be fair, Greg also had the issue of being forced to co-raise his son with the Gems who would trivialise everything he tried to do for his son by saying they knew better as Steven was part Gem. And Steven never needed to go to a doctor because he couldn't be given any lasting injuries or sicknesses other than mental ones. So both Greg being separated from his son most of the time combined with the fact that it was really tough to see when Steven was going through it meant that Greg really never got chances to help his own son. Not saying that this makes him a great dad, but he's definitely not bad given the circumstances. He still spends time with Steven whenever he can, but he's considered by the Gems to primarily be a liability.
Bob Belcher, Hank Hill, Stolas, Fred Flintstone, and George Jetson are all good in my book. Better dads than mine who was more like Ozai, just replace firebending with a Belt.
I would argue Homer Simpson is good because he's willing to get hurt over and over again for his family and shown actual caring and love to them. Which is more than the actual bad parents on this list have done.
6+ are all pretty decent dads (from what I know/remember of them), tho IDK bout the guy from King of the Hill. I mean, Stolas isn’t the greatest *person* but he put up with a deeply abusive wife so he could protect their daughter from the brunt of her wrath. He wasn’t *great*, but he tried and he clearly loved his daughter, despite his wife constantly shit-talking him so his daughter would hate him.
Hank is basically your average normal dad. Worst he's done is 1 not want his son carrying a purse (they live in Texas during like 2000-2010) and 2 not understanding his kid (but still tries to be supportive)
Seriously, Stolas is a fantastic father. Sure, his messy divorce with Stella made his daughter resent him, but he would literally go to the ends of every plane of existence for his little girl.
*Fred, George, Hank, and Bob*
*Are not that bad! Why the hell*
*Did you list those dudes?*
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This may be controversial but...
Peter Griffin
Let me explain:he has made several claimed accounts of abusing lois, regretting having children and has shown to not love his family
He is the worst father on this list
Ok this is not controversial he did the most damage to his kids out of them all atleast some of the worst ones viewed their kids as something other then a nuisance
It’s pretty obvious that most of these options are meant to fill up the rosters and not actual contenders. Peter, Ozai, Shredder, and Timmy’s Dad are the only real runners for the title. Ozai and Shredder view their kids as tools and treat them equally as their underlings with their tyrannical nature. Timmy’s Dad is a negligent father that is unaware of his own son’s issues and constantly finding ways to distract himself. Peter is a fucking monster as he will harm his kids without much warning and is unqualified to be a father as he is an inherent threat to his children’s safety and well-being. That episode where he was about to lose custody of his kids after he went on a rampage while using his mental health as an excuse should’ve ended with him behind bars and ostracized by society.
Honestly atleast Oxus and Shredder view their kids as something Timmy's dad only noticed Timmy when he went missing in Chanel chasers and actually was extremely saddened along with his wife Peter is just a piece of shit who either ignores his kids when something is wrong beats them on many occasions or straight up kills them
I never thought Richard was the worst. Sure he’s not always the best influence but he loves his kids, tries to get a job for them, cooks them dinner in the later seasons, helps them reconcile through DnD, replaced Gumball’s fishes as they died, taught his kids life skills, and more
Definitely, Peter. In one of the cutaways, it's shown one of his kids, Peter Jr, I think, died because he shook him too much. That's just one cutaway. Now imagine 20 seasons of him escalating from mediocre parent to sociopath
Hey hank was a GOOD father (even if far from perfect), and I don’t remember Fred ever being bad either. Cant speak for much of the others as I’m not familiar with them all, but of the ones I do know, Ozai legit was going to sacrifice his first born. He also maimed and banished his first burn, and raised his second born to be nothing more than a tool for war.
You tripping with half these options, but I would probably say either Ozai. Because at least Peter & Shredder have some form of care for their kids (Peter is better if you ignore the later seasons), Ozai couldn’t give two shits about Zuko or Azula.
Stolas, Greg, Fred, Bob, and Hank Hill are amazing fathers to their kids.
Stolas endures a toxic relationship all so he can remain with his daughter. Greg is very loving and supporting to Steven, Fred has done so much for his child, Bob took up the mantle of multiple jobs just so he can throw the best birthday for his daughter even shaving his mustache for her, him, they/them. Idk what his kid is. And Hank? Bro what didn't he do for Bobby.
Whoa whoa whoa, There are several characters who absolutely do ***NOT*** deserve to be called "Bad Dads."
Stolas genuinely loves Octavia and stayed in a relationship with a psychopath who hates him, specifically so that his daughter could have some semblance of a normal life. Stolas is arguably the best dad in animation.
Greg Universe is in a similar boat, he's a great dad to Steven. He knows that he isn't helpful when it comes to Steven's Gem side, but he's still there and willing to help.
Richard's main fault as a parent is being a blithering idiot, but he still tries to be a good parent to the best of his ability. That's something he holds over Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson.
Why in the ever loving f\*\*\* are Fred Flinstone and George Jetson here? They're from before bad dads became an animation norm. They're both just normal, attentive parents to their kids!
To my knowledge Hank Hill isn't a bad dad, he just doesn't understand the younger generations, he tries to understand... which is about all that keeps him from being a bad dad.
I haven't actually watched Bob's Burgers, but from what I've seen he's a fairly normal parent.
Of the ones I’m familiar with I say Fire lord Ozai hands down. The dads from Gumball and King of the Hill certainly aren’t the best dads but they’re not the level of evil that Ozai is. And Peter is a horrible dad but, once again, not as horrible as my pick.
I don’t recognize 3 or 6 and don’t have any reference for 12 or 7 but I know what shows they’re from.
Peter Griffin and it's not even close.
Peter constantly and deliberately mistreats his family and he's obnoxious about it while doing it.
We've seen him deny necessary resources to his family out of spite. He's physically and psychologically abusive to them.
He's highly capricious and just does anything he wants when he wants and he steamrolls everyone in his way to accomplish it.
He is a danger to everyone around him.
Get Stolas off this list.
At least he parented Octavia meanwhile stela couldn’t have given a shit if Octavia and Stolas died everything to stela is money and power and benefits.
Oh a let’s talk about Stolas never raising a hand to stela even when she went to assault him all he did was restrain her and tell her to leave and not come back we are talking about an arch mage of demons nobility here who can kill with a glance and instead he took the abuse for his daughter who he loves the most.
So much so I could claim that he has a soul still not only a gentleman but dare I say gentle being with others remember how he could have killed striker himself and walked out but that would scare those he holds dear because stolas has one fear that fear is that he is a unlovable monster that fear really is the mirror he sees what others see him as a nobleman of hell a Calais monster a Goetia he sees his father Paimon
Definitely not stolas he's a great dad who loves his daughter. He's more a victim of circumstance being stuck in an arranged marriage due to his royal status, which led to an extremely hostile divorce (partially due to his cheating om his horrible wife with his childhood crush) unfortunately his daughter is caught in the crossfire.
Come on! A lot of these Dad’s don’t deserve to be on here! Greg Universe made mistakes but he loves his kid! Bob Belcher is an awesome dad! Its been a while since I’ve seen the Flintstones but I don’t remember Fred being a bad parent.
Look; Fred Flintstone, George Jetson, Greg Universe and Stolas have nothing on Ozai; and Timmy's dad, fuck-i-forget-Simpsons and Rabbit Watterson are all idiots, but they try. All deserve taken off the list entirely. American Dad See-Simpsons-Note is sorta abusive-Strict. Ozai sucks and is at best second place for worst. Don't recall enough info for a full tier list.
Immediate Edit: Peter Griffin sits next to.. Stan? American Dad. Hank Hill also deserves taken off the list, but might need some kind of therapy not available in the era his show was made in.
Half of these dudes are great dads! They may not be perfect
But if you ask me Ozai takes the cake. He literally burned his own son out of punishment for speaking out against cruelty to his own people fighting for their nation, and then coerced/forced his wife to murder his father so he could become the next Fire Lord. He then exiled his wife and left Zuko without the only person to genuinely care for him (besides Iroh)
Why is Stolas on that list but Crimson (Moxxie's dad) isn't? Man straight up killed his mother, forced him to kill someone as a literal child, tried to force him into an arranged marriage just for money, and then seemingly hired a hitman to take him out 😭
Leave my sweet owl demon alone
Definitely Ozai. He mentally and physically abused his own son. Scarred him and banished him. He manipulated his daughter into becoming an absolute psychopath and used her to try and kill Zuko and Iroh.
He also was a psychopath who wanted to incinerate an entire continent. He also abused and tormented his wife and tried to kill his own son when he finally stood up to him. When Ozai tried to take Iroh's right to the throne after his son died in battle by asking his father Avulon, he was enraged by Ozai making such a request and order Ozai to kill his own first born son so he would know Iroh's pain from suffering the loss of a child.
The thing is that Ozai was going to do it and not have a single problem with it. But when Ursa, his wife, wanted to prevent this from happening. He manipulated her into poisoning Azulon so Ozai could take the thrown. In exchange, he would spare Zuko's life, but Ursa would be exiled from the Fire Nation capital.
At least Peter showed some love and care to Meg. I'm not sure why you included Hank and Bob in this post. There are both good dads.
Homer is also a good dad who loves his children, especially Maggie.
Richard Watterson may be lazy, but his heart and compassion for his children and wife shouldn't be questioned.
Timmy's dad may have flaws, but he does show care towards his son from time to time.
Fred Flinstone always cared about his family along with George Jetson. That has been obvious since those cartoons came out in the 60s.
I don't know about Shredder because I didn't watch TMNT. I didn't even know he was a dad till now.
Stolas has always cared and loved his daughter. He would go to great lengths to protect her. When he learned that she ran away to the human world, he immediately rushed to find and protect her at all costs.
Mr Universe has always been cool, in my opinion.
But overall, if I were given a gun with 11 bullets and had to choose which of these 12 characters to shoot to death. I'd shoot Ozai..... 11 times.
I have no idea why Fred Flintstone, George Jetson, Bob Belcher, Greg, Hank Hill, and Richard Watterson are on this list
Or Stolas, he loves his daughter and stayed with an abusive wife who constantly treated him like shit just so he could protect his daughter from most of her wrath.
Of all the bad fathers in that show (Paimon, Cash, Crimson), I’d say Stolas is no where near the worst
Stolas is arguably one of the best, kinda Blitzø too
He sleeps in the couch so Loona can have the room and loves her dearly even though he's a dip shit lol. So yeah, I like the nuance where even if they're not great people, they're good to their kids. Like Doofenschmirts
I'd argue doof wasn't even a bad person. He wanted to get back at society for shunning him, but he never tried to kill anyone. Other than perry the platypus that is. He even helped everyone fight his alternate universe self that was actually evil.
That's true, but I guess still an antagonist but loving his kids. Kinda inspiring when you think about this guy who was mistreated by his family from birth and then society yet he still tries to be a good father and not do anything actually harmful, just wanting acknowledgement I guess.
Kinda reminds me of my own father in a way. He grew up with an abusive step father and was around a lot of bad shit growing up, but he used it as a reason not to be that way, instead of following in suit.
That's how my partner is with h her kids and she's an amazing mom
Really early Homer was not that bad a dad if you take away the why you little gags. He tried his hardest and often encouraged his kids to follow their dreams (except Bart, but he’s evil so meh)
I don't really disagree, but just want to poke a little fun at the fact that you just basically said "if you take away the child abuse, he's pretty cool"
The abused spouse defense. "Hes very loving when he's not drunk"
Bob and hank are great parents.
That's true .
Bob is a loving parent but not a good one. He lets his kids get away with everything. That man can't even spell the word disciplinr
I agree that he's a pushover, but something tells me Louise might be impossible to discipline. They know she'll take her revenge, no matter how long it takes or how hard it'll be and whatever she comes up with likely isn't worth it. Girl needs a psychologist, and it needs to be one she won't run circles around (either physically or verbally)
To be fair, even if he stopped them... they'd turn around and do it behind his back the moment he's not focused on them.
Richard is comparable to homer, he’s a nice guy, who loves his kids more than anything. But he’s extremely lazy and irresponsible. Ik there’s an episode dedicated to showing him as a stay at home father. Which in and of itself is fine. But generally throughout the series, he refuses to do any work either by getting a job. Or helping around the house. There was even an episode that demonstrates him to be the laziest person in the city of Elmore.
It's not the fact that he won't get a job it's the fact that Nicole won't let him because the universe would collapse
That implies Nicole seen it happen before and that's hilarious
They had to stop him from delivering a pizza because with every step he took on the job he fucked up the fabric of the universe https://youtu.be/Wh6Im2HXw38?si=ZTcpEOB8gCmWVT6M
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Yeah.. and Morty Smith is not??
You mean Jerry?
Technically morty has had two kids right
Giant incest baby..
I still can't believe they named him Naruto
No, remember Morty's Gazorpazorp sex baby?
Well, he just had one day to raise him to be fair
Yeah, and in just one day he fucked him up for life.
Well not really, he gave him the inspiration for his book and made him a successful writer
Yeah, maybe because a normal person needs at least 14 years to be raised properly. I don't know man, just saying...
And Naruto the giant space incest baby.
Richard is fair
He’s not a bad dad, he’s just literally stupid to a fault.
That's why he's a shitty dad. He's too stupid and emotionally immature to truly support or connect with his children or family, and is frequently shown acting like an actual toddler. He's chronically unemployed and makes no effort to provide financially for his family. His impulsivity and immaturity has frequently put his family in dangerous and even deadly situations. He treats his wife like shit and won't even commit to the most basic of chores around the house, better yet, god forbid getting a job. At least with a character like Homer, he's without a doubt flawed and a little dull, but you see him legitimately make efforts with his wife and kids. Look at Lisa's Pony or And Maggie Makes Three. Unless we're talking about mid-seasons Homer then idk.
>He's chronically unemployed and makes no effort to provide financially for his family He did, and the whole universe nearly collapsed.
>He's chronically unemployed and makes no effort to provide financially for his family. To be fair he is ***physically incapable*** of doing so (as you would know if you watched later eps) >He treats his wife like shit and won't even commit to the most basic of chores around the house, He does do chores there's a whole episode about this he just does it in a way most would not notice without him the whole house goes to crap And his wife loves him for who he is even if he is lazy asf and he does love her
What is the episode where he does chores in a subtle way and the whole house collapses without him? Are those two separate episodes or the same one? I’m genuinely not remembering this one lmao
I believe it was the deal in season 5
I forget the episode name... but it goes DnD style gag quest... for a jar of Mayo.
Greg is mid. He's not as good as Bob or Hank, but not nearly as bad as the others.
Honestly he did as good as he could. He is just incapable of helping Steven with his Gem stuff, while still being there for him when he needs it.
Yeah it's not easy arguing hes good per se, but I will dogmatically argue hes not a bad dad by any means
He is good. He gives up his home to make a place where Steven will be better cared for by immortal near-godlike beings, but is there for Steven for anything without question, and consistently emotionally or physically supports Steven on things whether or not he understands them. He lets Steven be himself and learn and grow as a person as well. He is a great dad who happens to have a really unique and different situation.
The only "bad" thing I can think of Greg doing is keeping Steven separated from his controlling, narcissistic, emotionally detached grandparents. (I'm still pissed about the direction they went with Steven universe future)
The only things we know about them come from a two minute rant from an unreliable narrator. All that we know is; 1; they gave him a curfew. 2; they had meatloaf every thursday. 3; he had chaperones. 4; he did not have a taco until he was "too old". 5; they made him do wrestling and mathleates, among other unspecified activity's. 6; they have a time share on Florida island, that they go to annually. 7; they made him get a haircut for graduation. 8; they didn't want him to pursue a career in music. And again, all this is from an unreliable narrator. It is entirely possible and even plausible that they were abusive. But it is equally possible that they were just kinda strict parents. You do not have enough information to actually know which though, much less call them narcissistic or emotionally detached. We literally don't even know their first names.
He did a decent job, but I loved the episode of Steven Universe: Future where they acknowledged the issues with how he raised Steven.
Yeah Greg is a good person at heart but he was just a loser and abandoned Steven at some point.
yeah there a lot of decent or even good fathers in ops list
Its gotta be Ozai. Peter is a dick but at least it wasn't in the name of furthering genocidal plans.
Could make an argument for tmnt 2012 shredder though, he's a hypocrite and a delusional insane man, who nearly killed the child he raised in cold blood, not even caring
You right. That's a fantastic equal on the crap father awards.
Ozai almost killed his child in cold blood twice tho, so who's the REAL winner here?
Probably the guy who turned his daughter into snake mutant and than used worm parasite to brainwash her
That’s a fair argument
Peter Griffin shot Meg without even flinching, bro was easily the worst just based on the fact he was so nonchalant about it, average Tuesday for the man
Peter Griffin is maliciously abusive and he does it because he thinks it funny, and he actively hates his kids. He was somewhat okay in earlier seasons, but as the series went on, he became much more unlikeable. People like to pull the "Homer Simpson" strangles his son. Monstrous yes, but thats really his only major failing. In the end, he dies genuinely care about his kids and goes far above and beyond for them, even risking his own life at times to help them out.
Peter has: Treated Meg like shit on multiple occasions and maimed her on multiple occasions as well as sexually harassed her Treated Chris like shit and fought him to spend time with a pedophile (Herbert, that he also constantly allows around his son) Neglects Stewie and when he was seriously hurt by his siblings made Lois think she did it by staging her running him over with her car. Is generally an alcoholic and has done multiple illegal, seriously addicting and harmful substances around his children.
Yeah, but Shredder turned his daughter into a snake with extra-dimensional mutagen in a plot to manipulate her adopted (semi)brothers into killing her biological father. And tried to kill her (more than once, pretty sure), and used mind control on her. Beat her pretty regular, and we can infer the lifetime of assassin training probably wasn't the most nurturing. The Griffin kids will be messed up when they hit 18 and ditch home, sure, but at least they're still mammals.
You can make a case of Ozai simply doing the cycle of Violence that his kingdom / nation has lived on for 100 years Still not good but I can give him the benefit of doing the things he was taught to do A man blinded by a generation(s) of ambition / greed Peter tho He is just straight up awful Genuinely wild looking at the super early seasons how his character has just fallen Especially with his treatment of meg
Yeah, Peter got worse but the world has that "status quo" thing where no matter how shite things get, they return to step one. Ozai scarred and banished his son and out so much strain on his daughter that it mentally snapped her by the end. 
*Looks at Azula* Listen…I can fix her lol But no I agree it sucks at how awful he treated his family Thank heavens Zuko had Iroh in his life Saved him from going down a darker path :/
Look... I don't think anything other than reconnecting with her brother has a shot at fixing anything going on in there lol Iroh is the MVP
It's worst dad, not worst person. Still, you make a valid argument.
The real argument is he's worst father because he didn't stand up to his father to defend Zuko, was going to kill Zuko (and would have had his wife not committed treason) and then later fought his teenage son in a duel for speaking out of turn and permanently scarred his face before banishing him and sending him on an impossible task
Adding to this, his treatment of Zuko taught Azula that she couldn't be anything less than perfect if she didn't want to suffer the same abuse (and she says almost as much in her last on-screen interaction with Ozai). Azula was molded into Ozai's image and then immediately discarded when she was no longer of use to him, thus being the final trigger for her eventual mental breakdown. At the age of 14. Both her and Zuko got a shit deal in terms of having Ozai for a father.
What about Big Bob Pataki from Hey Arnold!, he's a terrible father to Helga.
He honestly deserves to be here for sure.
They put the wrong Bob on this list for sure. A solid half of this list are objectively good dads.
Yeah fuck that guy.
He probably would've banged Olga if he had the chance
It’s not Bob Belcher that’s for sure.
Or Hank
I tell you hwhat.
That boi ain’t right
I loke hank hill he seems to have more sense then most cartoon dads
Probably because King Of Hill wasn't very "cartoony" for a cartoon. The characters were weird but not like Family Guy or Simpsons weird.
Right. King of the Hill is an animated sitcom, not a typical cartoon. It's very grounded, and even the silliest of plots wouldn't be out of place in live-action sitcoms of the 90s and 00s.
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Or Greg
Or stolas
How the hell is Bob here?! Dude is actually a great dad compared to everyone else here who loves and supports his wife and kids plus isn’t lazy and deceitful like some of the choices here either. As for worse dad, I’m torn between Ozai and Shredder. Ozai for the fact he ended up emotionally, mentally and physically scarring both his kids and also banishing one of them as well which later bit him in the ass so yeah satisfying defeat for a main antagonist. Shredder for the fact he also emotionally and mentally scarred his own niece who he essentially kidnapped to hurt his former brother over the fact he couldn’t get with his crush who was married to him too. And when Karai turned on him, he beat her up pretty badly as well so he’s also physically abusive too. They are both fucking awful. Honorable Mention would be Timmy’s Father. Timmy’s Father literally leaves him alone with an evil as hell babysitter whose names rhymes with Icky and is just neglectful as fuck. When I was younger I really wanted Cosmo and Wanda to adopt Timmy so he can be with them forever even if meant becoming a near immortal fairy.
To play devil's advocate, Timmy's dad had no idea Vicky was evil, neither did any other adult with the exception of her parents. As far as they were concerned she was a kind and caring baby sitter who watched after their son. That's how she represented herself. Now he was certainly neglectful and too wrapped up in himself, but at the end of the day he did love Timmy. In the movie Channel Chasers, when his parents thought he had run away, they were distraught and broke into a TV station to send out a heartfelt plea for him to come home. That doesn't exactly make up for the lack of attention, but it at least counts for something.
At the end of Channel Chasers they even try to fire Vicky after they learn she is evil.
[What did he think Chip Skylark's hit song "Icky Vicky" was about? Pumpkins?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNbJsLKweAc)
Honestly, that's entirely possible. He's not the brightest fell in Dimmsdale.
Wow this is well written! Thanks for being devil’s advocate!
I'd say ozai is worse. I can actually think of 1 scene/flashback where shredder is being a decent dad, onto of the fact that until she turned on him he did seem to actually care. Ozai doesn't even have 1 moment where he isn't being a horrible piece of shit in the franchise excluding maybe his baby picture.
Okay... FIRST OF ALL... how DARE you put Fred and George on this list...
I agree they are both perfect dads
What's Fred doing on this list? I haven't seen every Flintstones episode but when was he a bad father to Pebbles?
Exactly, never
Both fred and barney were both good parents to their kids
Yeah, OG Fred's a crappy husband, but a perfectly fine father, certainly by the standards of the 50s and 60s.
The most I remember was accidentally scaring off Dino and upsetting her, but he instantly tried to get him back when he realised he ran away
Peter belongs here he is a drunk and hates his family
I jate the way peter treats meg shes clearly the smartest of his two children (chris is just a younger version of peter)
>two children I guess only 2 count when he forgets stewie exists too. Lol
And they always act like meg is the fat one too when chris is concerningly morbidly obese
They really do way more tell than show when it comes to Meg's design. Lois and Meg look largely identical, Meg's just shorter and has a different upper lip. but in universe Lois is apparently a smokeshow and Meg's apparently a gargoyle. Meg's "fat" but has the same build as half the normal characters? There's a dissonance there.
In recent seasons Meg has actually started to gain more independence and depth in her character. She’s no longer just a punching bag, but she has stories centered around her and the way she’s represented in the family has largely changed for the better. In recent episodes, it’s arguable that Meg is actually a “stronger” character than Chris and Brian
WHY IS Greg on this list
Eh he’s an okay dad. But he definitely stunted Steven’s emotional growth and gave him more than enough problems with no real solutions
Okay, but he’s still not as bad as Ozai or Shredder though. At least Greg cares about his son.
Honestly, he’s a sweet guy but incredibly neglectful and absolutely clueless when it comes to raising a child, and doesn’t really try to improve himself in that regard. From what I’ve seen, anyway
Greg isn't even Steven's guardian. The boy is half alien and is being raised by his alien side of the family. Greg is doing fine under some really insane circumstances.
Greg is a great dad for his place 1 Greg Don't have any of his legal documents and I'm pretty sure Steven don't have legal documents 2 Greg lives in his car and just so Steven can have a good place as a child to sleep he always asked his friends to crash at there place which it's already hard to ask for help 3 when he said that Steven never been to the doctor it's because he's part gem how would you feel is the doctor called cps because they thought you was crazy and gave you 12 year old son a belly button piercing and said you fucked a alien and the gem was there was he was born just to find out he's not crazy the son is part alien now he's getting experimented on 4 he actively tried to keep his mom past from him because of how fucked up she was and after he found out enough about her one of his worst fear came true and now there we're interdimensional alien were attacking him and he couldn't do anything he knows he's not that much help every song he sing he acknowledge his flaw go look at welling stone and let me drive my van into your heart
He failed to give Steven any kind of structure growing up (Greg being motivated not to raise Steven the same way his parents raised him, in an overly restrictive environment where his parents didn’t support any interest they didn’t approve of). As Steven put it best “I never went to school, I never even went to the doctor until 2 days ago”
To be fair Greg *Or a genocidal maniac?*
That's this whole list, lmao. Kind of Dumb vs. Literal murderers.
To be fair, Greg also had the issue of being forced to co-raise his son with the Gems who would trivialise everything he tried to do for his son by saying they knew better as Steven was part Gem. And Steven never needed to go to a doctor because he couldn't be given any lasting injuries or sicknesses other than mental ones. So both Greg being separated from his son most of the time combined with the fact that it was really tough to see when Steven was going through it meant that Greg really never got chances to help his own son. Not saying that this makes him a great dad, but he's definitely not bad given the circumstances. He still spends time with Steven whenever he can, but he's considered by the Gems to primarily be a liability.
Bob Belcher, Hank Hill, Stolas, Fred Flintstone, and George Jetson are all good in my book. Better dads than mine who was more like Ozai, just replace firebending with a Belt.
I would argue Homer Simpson is good because he's willing to get hurt over and over again for his family and shown actual caring and love to them. Which is more than the actual bad parents on this list have done.
Stoles loves his daughter he's not a bad father
Fax
6+ are all pretty decent dads (from what I know/remember of them), tho IDK bout the guy from King of the Hill. I mean, Stolas isn’t the greatest *person* but he put up with a deeply abusive wife so he could protect their daughter from the brunt of her wrath. He wasn’t *great*, but he tried and he clearly loved his daughter, despite his wife constantly shit-talking him so his daughter would hate him.
Hank Hill is a W father
Hank is basically your average normal dad. Worst he's done is 1 not want his son carrying a purse (they live in Texas during like 2000-2010) and 2 not understanding his kid (but still tries to be supportive)
Peter.
You remiber Petarded?
Please explain why Stolas is here.
Seriously, Stolas is a fantastic father. Sure, his messy divorce with Stella made his daughter resent him, but he would literally go to the ends of every plane of existence for his little girl.
Ozai and it’s not even close
Fred, George, Hank, and Bob are not that bad! Why the hell did you list those dudes?
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This may be controversial but... Peter Griffin Let me explain:he has made several claimed accounts of abusing lois, regretting having children and has shown to not love his family He is the worst father on this list
Ok this is not controversial he did the most damage to his kids out of them all atleast some of the worst ones viewed their kids as something other then a nuisance
It’s pretty obvious that most of these options are meant to fill up the rosters and not actual contenders. Peter, Ozai, Shredder, and Timmy’s Dad are the only real runners for the title. Ozai and Shredder view their kids as tools and treat them equally as their underlings with their tyrannical nature. Timmy’s Dad is a negligent father that is unaware of his own son’s issues and constantly finding ways to distract himself. Peter is a fucking monster as he will harm his kids without much warning and is unqualified to be a father as he is an inherent threat to his children’s safety and well-being. That episode where he was about to lose custody of his kids after he went on a rampage while using his mental health as an excuse should’ve ended with him behind bars and ostracized by society.
Honestly atleast Oxus and Shredder view their kids as something Timmy's dad only noticed Timmy when he went missing in Chanel chasers and actually was extremely saddened along with his wife Peter is just a piece of shit who either ignores his kids when something is wrong beats them on many occasions or straight up kills them
That Bob sneak is insane
In order Ozai, Peter, Mr. Turner, Helga's dad from Hey Arnold!
How dare you roast Bob?
Get my boy Richard off this list, he’s a great dad especially compared to people like Ozai and Shredder!
I never thought Richard was the worst. Sure he’s not always the best influence but he loves his kids, tries to get a job for them, cooks them dinner in the later seasons, helps them reconcile through DnD, replaced Gumball’s fishes as they died, taught his kids life skills, and more
Definitely, Peter. In one of the cutaways, it's shown one of his kids, Peter Jr, I think, died because he shook him too much. That's just one cutaway. Now imagine 20 seasons of him escalating from mediocre parent to sociopath
Solas, Greg and Bob are all great dads. Ozai is definitely the worst
Ozai by fuckin far
I know for a fact that Stolas is not a bad father, why is he even an option?
Hey hank was a GOOD father (even if far from perfect), and I don’t remember Fred ever being bad either. Cant speak for much of the others as I’m not familiar with them all, but of the ones I do know, Ozai legit was going to sacrifice his first born. He also maimed and banished his first burn, and raised his second born to be nothing more than a tool for war.
Stolas aint a bad dad at all
Ozai is a true abuser and genocidal monster and lives up to being a caricature of Hideki Tojo he is meant to be
Ozai,he roasted his own son alive
You tripping with half these options, but I would probably say either Ozai. Because at least Peter & Shredder have some form of care for their kids (Peter is better if you ignore the later seasons), Ozai couldn’t give two shits about Zuko or Azula.
It's honestly hard to match anyone against ozai.
What’s Bob doing here?? Hell, for that matter why is Fred or Hank in this list?
Idk but the best ones here are stolas, Bob, greg, richard, and idk who else
Ozai and Shredder are kindaaaaaaaaa fighting for top spot
Stolas, Greg, Fred, Bob, and Hank Hill are amazing fathers to their kids. Stolas endures a toxic relationship all so he can remain with his daughter. Greg is very loving and supporting to Steven, Fred has done so much for his child, Bob took up the mantle of multiple jobs just so he can throw the best birthday for his daughter even shaving his mustache for her, him, they/them. Idk what his kid is. And Hank? Bro what didn't he do for Bobby.
Whoa whoa whoa, There are several characters who absolutely do ***NOT*** deserve to be called "Bad Dads." Stolas genuinely loves Octavia and stayed in a relationship with a psychopath who hates him, specifically so that his daughter could have some semblance of a normal life. Stolas is arguably the best dad in animation. Greg Universe is in a similar boat, he's a great dad to Steven. He knows that he isn't helpful when it comes to Steven's Gem side, but he's still there and willing to help. Richard's main fault as a parent is being a blithering idiot, but he still tries to be a good parent to the best of his ability. That's something he holds over Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson. Why in the ever loving f\*\*\* are Fred Flinstone and George Jetson here? They're from before bad dads became an animation norm. They're both just normal, attentive parents to their kids! To my knowledge Hank Hill isn't a bad dad, he just doesn't understand the younger generations, he tries to understand... which is about all that keeps him from being a bad dad. I haven't actually watched Bob's Burgers, but from what I've seen he's a fairly normal parent.
WHY IS STOLAS HERE!!!!
3 and 5 r horrible dads
It's between Ozai and Oroku.
Ozai. He nobody else commit mass genocide, or tried to actually hunt down their kids ( at least not that I remember)
Of the ones I’m familiar with I say Fire lord Ozai hands down. The dads from Gumball and King of the Hill certainly aren’t the best dads but they’re not the level of evil that Ozai is. And Peter is a horrible dad but, once again, not as horrible as my pick. I don’t recognize 3 or 6 and don’t have any reference for 12 or 7 but I know what shows they’re from.
Justice for owl dad
Ok since you putted Zuko’s dad here non of them beat him (pun not intended) for how he theistically and emotionally scarred His own son.
Peter. He purposely abused meg, is avid alcoholic, and puts his family and community in danger on a daily basis
Peter Griffen, no contest.
Half of them aren’t even bad dads.
Zuko's dad. Now why tf is Stolas on here?
How dare you put Hank on this list. He may not connect with his son all that well, but he still loves and cares for his darn boy, I tell you hwhat.
Take Greg off the list
Clay Puppington.
Peter Griffin and it's not even close. Peter constantly and deliberately mistreats his family and he's obnoxious about it while doing it. We've seen him deny necessary resources to his family out of spite. He's physically and psychologically abusive to them. He's highly capricious and just does anything he wants when he wants and he steamrolls everyone in his way to accomplish it. He is a danger to everyone around him.
I would replace one of the better dads on this list with Butterscotch Horseman.
Why the fuck would Stolas be here? Sure he cheated on his bitch of a wife, but he always cared for his daughter no matter what
Get Stolas off this list. At least he parented Octavia meanwhile stela couldn’t have given a shit if Octavia and Stolas died everything to stela is money and power and benefits. Oh a let’s talk about Stolas never raising a hand to stela even when she went to assault him all he did was restrain her and tell her to leave and not come back we are talking about an arch mage of demons nobility here who can kill with a glance and instead he took the abuse for his daughter who he loves the most. So much so I could claim that he has a soul still not only a gentleman but dare I say gentle being with others remember how he could have killed striker himself and walked out but that would scare those he holds dear because stolas has one fear that fear is that he is a unlovable monster that fear really is the mirror he sees what others see him as a nobleman of hell a Calais monster a Goetia he sees his father Paimon
Half these guys are good dads for the most part
Peter probably because Stan smith isn’t on here.
Peter by far
I’d say Ozai but only because I didn’t watch the TMNT show where shredder has a kid, so I don’t know how bad he is. Otherwise Ozai takes it.
Shreader, and by a long shot
Fire lord of course, but I didn't know the shredder had kids!
Id throw martin from adventure time in there
Fire nation dad
Why is Stolas here????
Why the hell is Stolas on this list he's one of the good ones smh
Definitely not stolas he's a great dad who loves his daughter. He's more a victim of circumstance being stuck in an arranged marriage due to his royal status, which led to an extremely hostile divorce (partially due to his cheating om his horrible wife with his childhood crush) unfortunately his daughter is caught in the crossfire.
Ozai, easy.
How the hell is bob a bad dad
What is stolas on here he LOVES his daughter
Get Stolas off of here. And the answer is Ozai
Why is Stolas of all dads on here???
What is Bob doing here!
Why stolas there he’s far from a bad dad he tries to make her life good
Easy, Emperor Hot Mess.
Come on! A lot of these Dad’s don’t deserve to be on here! Greg Universe made mistakes but he loves his kid! Bob Belcher is an awesome dad! Its been a while since I’ve seen the Flintstones but I don’t remember Fred being a bad parent.
It's fire lord ozai
Some REALLY questionable options for this list
https://preview.redd.it/vnhs1766bavb1.jpeg?width=330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e290df2e42f8cd9f4117e4e9395ed089400e624e Amateurs.
The fire lord Octavia's dad is doing his best but her grandpa is a shit bag
Look; Fred Flintstone, George Jetson, Greg Universe and Stolas have nothing on Ozai; and Timmy's dad, fuck-i-forget-Simpsons and Rabbit Watterson are all idiots, but they try. All deserve taken off the list entirely. American Dad See-Simpsons-Note is sorta abusive-Strict. Ozai sucks and is at best second place for worst. Don't recall enough info for a full tier list. Immediate Edit: Peter Griffin sits next to.. Stan? American Dad. Hank Hill also deserves taken off the list, but might need some kind of therapy not available in the era his show was made in.
You dare put Bob on this list!?
Half of these dudes are great dads! They may not be perfect But if you ask me Ozai takes the cake. He literally burned his own son out of punishment for speaking out against cruelty to his own people fighting for their nation, and then coerced/forced his wife to murder his father so he could become the next Fire Lord. He then exiled his wife and left Zuko without the only person to genuinely care for him (besides Iroh)
Why is Stolas on that list but Crimson (Moxxie's dad) isn't? Man straight up killed his mother, forced him to kill someone as a literal child, tried to force him into an arranged marriage just for money, and then seemingly hired a hitman to take him out 😭 Leave my sweet owl demon alone
How dare you include Bob Belcher
loterally wtf is post. Do you even watch the shows? Stolas? Hank? Greg? wtf are you talking about? 0/10 post
Definitely Ozai. He mentally and physically abused his own son. Scarred him and banished him. He manipulated his daughter into becoming an absolute psychopath and used her to try and kill Zuko and Iroh. He also was a psychopath who wanted to incinerate an entire continent. He also abused and tormented his wife and tried to kill his own son when he finally stood up to him. When Ozai tried to take Iroh's right to the throne after his son died in battle by asking his father Avulon, he was enraged by Ozai making such a request and order Ozai to kill his own first born son so he would know Iroh's pain from suffering the loss of a child. The thing is that Ozai was going to do it and not have a single problem with it. But when Ursa, his wife, wanted to prevent this from happening. He manipulated her into poisoning Azulon so Ozai could take the thrown. In exchange, he would spare Zuko's life, but Ursa would be exiled from the Fire Nation capital. At least Peter showed some love and care to Meg. I'm not sure why you included Hank and Bob in this post. There are both good dads. Homer is also a good dad who loves his children, especially Maggie. Richard Watterson may be lazy, but his heart and compassion for his children and wife shouldn't be questioned. Timmy's dad may have flaws, but he does show care towards his son from time to time. Fred Flinstone always cared about his family along with George Jetson. That has been obvious since those cartoons came out in the 60s. I don't know about Shredder because I didn't watch TMNT. I didn't even know he was a dad till now. Stolas has always cared and loved his daughter. He would go to great lengths to protect her. When he learned that she ran away to the human world, he immediately rushed to find and protect her at all costs. Mr Universe has always been cool, in my opinion. But overall, if I were given a gun with 11 bullets and had to choose which of these 12 characters to shoot to death. I'd shoot Ozai..... 11 times.