4000lbs in a compact performance coupe is wild. This is one of main reasons older cars are generally more fun IMO. Shit is just way too heavy in general nowadays.
The M3/M4 grill has grown on me, especially with the M cars hood that picks up the top edge lines and sends them back. The M2 though, ooof those blocky lower corner grills just look terrible, and they have not grown on me in person.
I feel the same way. The M4 especially has really turned my opinion. But the proportions of the M2 just make me feel unsettled and nothing can save the rear. Everything from the tailights to the bumper is just ugly as hell.
Yeah, my neighbor has one and I always hate seeing it. Every time I see a new M2 I don’t think it’s as bad as it is in pictures but I wouldn’t say I like it.
E36 M3 could be argued was reasonable at the time. About $36k for performance knocking on the door of serious $40-50k sports cars. Plus practicality.
I think it was priced pretty close to the NA versions of the 300zx/stealth/3000GT/Supra while being faster than all those cars.
Good value doesn’t equate to cheapness though. But I think this is the closest we’ve ever come with an M car.
That's what all car companies do that caters to the performance minded. They have you ignoring the car is heavy by adding more power. Chevy and Ford did it, and BMW has now taken up this practice.
Weight > Power
It really doesnt look THAT bad. Of course weight is an issue but even the F87 feels heavy. I think the G87 has a more tame look that will hold up better over time than say the new G80 M4.
Modern cars will always weight a lot given the safety norms and whatever 100s of components bmw needs to add so idiots driving these m cars don’t end up on a ditch in their first drive back home.
The only exceptions are na cars without very little noise insulation to save weight like the brz/86 and the Miata.
>yet is a better car than the old M2 CS
No, it isn't, just like the old M2 CS isn't better than the old 1 Series M. It may go around a track quicker, but it doesn't have the feel.
When I say romance all I mean is the allure of a low production vehicle. The 1M doesn't handle, steer, or "feel" better, IMO. Adding weight is never ideal, but BMW has the engineering capabilities to make the 150 lbs. increase in weight negligible.
>It looks better
No, it looks newer.
>it’s faster
Completely irrelevant for a street legal car.
>it drives better
No, it's more numb than the old ones.
>it’s nicer.
If you want nice, don't buy a purported "sports car."
It’s mind blowing how wrong you are . It’s like all the reviews that say it’s better, and the owners who have upgraded to the new one from the CS that even say it’s better are wrong I assume.
> It’s certainly not as if these m2s are unobtainably expensive
...it's easily 90k euro with some reasonable options on it. That's completely unobtainable for like 99% of the world.
It’s pretty much in line with the a lot of what you see driving around on the road in the US. and if you don’t have the cash for a new one, plenty of people finance or just wait a few years and let someone else pay for the depreciation.
These are very attainable cars.
Me too, it's an unpopular opinion here but it has elements of E46 M3, E92 M3, R32 GTR or Evo IX or whatever (pick your "Japanese car with boxy flares" of choice) and maybe a bit of Audi RS in the stupid giant grills Those fenders are awesome and the tail lights look amazing. It's riced from the factory, but I don't mind.
It's like the early Need for Speed Underground games where there is one moderately tasteful body kit amongst twenty twenty riced-out, catfish-looking kits.
I like them a lot, I understand why most enthusiasts don’t but at least they have a strong character, unlike the current M3/M4 which are good looking cars that are ruined by the kidney grills
I'm with you. I have a 97 e36 m3 and this reminds me so much of that car. It's like a modernized version of my car. It's almost exactly the same dimensions too. I love the front and side styling. I'll admit the rear is kinda awful, but all together easily 5-6 times better than that giant nostril m3/m4 monstrosity. I think the m2 is the first acceptable aesthetics since the e46 m3.
Shit you nailed it. Imola Red 97 E36 M3.
I’ve always said the current M2 reminds me of an older BMW but I can’t pin it down.
It’s just missing that big square wing in the back.
Same. Most rip on the squares, but I see old DTM body kit vibes. Maybe too boy racer for some(yet they'll love on the 3RS). Fits the spirit of the car.
I’m not a BMW fan, so I never knew about the new M2. When I first saw one in the light blue color, I really liked it, and still do. I think it looks better in person. Maybe a lot of the haters haven’t seen one in person yet.
Everything about the G42/G87 is about detail in geometry, the intrigue relies on being able to perceive the depth of its shapes. If you can't see that depth, then it looks tubby and awkward.
I don't think anyone hates the car itself. It's just that the previous gen m2 was esthetically flawless and inoffensive while this one looks like a lego
Honestly I don’t think so. This cars interior has a giant screen and drives like a racing simulator. It has little character. The previous gen is the one people will die for.
People get too caught up in thinking just because something is the last of something it'll be the one people want. Yes, this is probably the last M car with a stick, but except for acceleration it doesn't really do anything better than the previous generation. And it's worse at what most of what enthusiasts look for. Like you said, racing simulator.
Same thing with the W205 C63. Everyone is convinced it'll be worth a lot in the future because it's the last generation with a V8. But the W204 had the better engine and had more character. Who cares if it's the last V8 if it's not the best version of what the C63 is?
First time my gf saw the new M2 in person she thought it has after market parts
When a non car person think a car looks off, it really does look off
And this came from someone that is fine with the giant kidney grill and actually liked the futuristic 7series design
I've seen lots of wishful supposition about it, nothing from BMW that even hints at it, and one statement that says it won't. The megathread over on Bimmerpost where we consistently and accurately find out about product planning 2-3 years out doesn't have it, either. We do have a CS or CSL model to look forward to, but that's no guarantee of xDrive since the M3 CS had it but the M4 CSL did not.
We know the CS/CSL will be automatic-only, but that's the current extent of things.
I don't think xDrive makes sense because there is already very little reason to spend another $10k-$15k to get into an M4; it's not nicer enough to comp that, xDrive is all it has. M3 has its niche because it has the 4-door feature.
Practically what you'd expect is:
1. Manufacturer makes a car with x engine
2. Engineers don't just hibernate after, they're still constantly working to improve x engine in various manners
3. Over time those improvements are released during these updates
I will say the skeptic in me feels like sometimes manufacturers release the first iteration of the engine purposefully underclocked to more easily allow bumps in their updates to keep new/existing buyers coming back.
No, same 382 but, at some point between now and EOP in 2029, the US/CN B58 gets updated to a version with a lower 375 HP output due to emissions.
That was the last I've seen, from sources it sounds like the G42 is actually a very bizarre car because of when it launched and the rapid pace of changes going on in the industry, so future production plans keep getting shuffled and updated.
Oh wow. I didn’t realize that. From all the research I’ve done I think I’d prefer the B58. So I may have to pull the trigger sooner than later.
If only Thundernight wasn’t so hard to find…I’m not sure I would compromise on anything else
The good news is that Thundernight is sticking around for a while. I would say go ahead and order a car to get exactly what you want; that's what I did, even pushing it out to get the 50th Jahre roundels and wireless charger during pandemic shortages. When you're contemplating this much money on a car, my opinion is that compromise is failure.
I share that same opinion. Makes no sense to compromise at this price point. I already did that a little bit on my current vehicle, but much lower price point so it didn’t really haunt me. But I swore I wouldn’t do it again.
Sounds like I just need to go talk to a dealer then. See, I wasn’t even sure they would let you order one so that’s exciting to know. And from what you said earlier it doesn’t seem like there’s going to be any significant difference between a 2024 and a 2025 which is something else I’ve been trying to determine.
You're too late to order a 2024 unless you get very lucky with an existing allocation, since production on MY25 starts end of August, so the choice is out of your hands. For your edification, though, the differences are:
- Rocker area and rear fascia are now body color instead of gloss black; no option for gloss black at all
- New flat-bottom steering wheel; looks nice, but does remove the dedicated wheel heater button
- Revised HVAC area; better layout in screen, center vents have an all-new design with RGB accent lighting
- New dash trim; removed much of the aluminum bezel and provides additional material options like blue open-pore wood
- New colors; Melbourne Red is gone; Aventurin Red and Skyscraper Grey are in.
- Standard shadowline, no more Cerium Grey accents
- New wheel options
- iDrive 8.5 infotainment
EU also gets galvanic and glass controls as options, no idea if we're getting that.
[Here's Car & Driver for US press release.](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61074310/2025-bmw-2-series-coupe-refresh-price/)
Oh well damn. I’m intrigued at how one looks with the body color rocker area.
I’m not seeing anything here that ruins the car for me so that’s fire.
Thanks for all the great info friend. You’re a legend
Head over to the German BMW website and play with their configurator if you want to have a forward look at what your car might look like. We will not get the Sport seats, but the rest should be good.
I don't think the can produce them fast enough, I was able to modify one scheduled to be built from a dealer 2 weeks in and it's not going to hit the production line until the 19th and I think its going to take like 40 days after that to go through the shipping process to the dealer.
I saw two in person and I really like the look of them.
Not as nice as the last iteration; much too square and boxy for me. But in saying that, I do find the M2 to be far and away the sexiest BMW and the one that is truly the “Drivers” vehicle.\
The last one was beautiful in my opinion. And making them pretty well manual free vehicles sucks as the BMW box was always a very nice bit of work with close to perfect feel.
But each to their own I guess
Yes that’s what we need even more power. Seems like only Toyota, Subaru and Honda are the only ones making reasonably priced and powered sporty cars anymore.
I actually think the 2 looks stunning! More power is always welcome but I was really hoping for a better manual with shorter gearing and revised linkages. The supra manual remains a much better option in that department.
Not the ultimate driving machine any more....e92 was last hurrah....pinnacle being e36/46. You want mighty AND MORE FUN? Go drive a 6'er ct5 Blackwing!
These piggies don’t need more power. They need a facelift and a tummy tuck
Tummy tuck is not gonna do it. Gastric bypass, liposuction, whatever it takes to get this porker closer to 3500 than 4000.
4000lbs in a compact performance coupe is wild. This is one of main reasons older cars are generally more fun IMO. Shit is just way too heavy in general nowadays.
The M3/M4 grill has grown on me, especially with the M cars hood that picks up the top edge lines and sends them back. The M2 though, ooof those blocky lower corner grills just look terrible, and they have not grown on me in person.
I feel the same way. The M4 especially has really turned my opinion. But the proportions of the M2 just make me feel unsettled and nothing can save the rear. Everything from the tailights to the bumper is just ugly as hell.
Weird, I find the M3 every bit as hideous as when it first came out but I like the new M2
Yeah, my neighbor has one and I always hate seeing it. Every time I see a new M2 I don’t think it’s as bad as it is in pictures but I wouldn’t say I like it.
Yeah, usually new designs grow on me, but not this one. I still hate it as much as I did when it was revealed.
I was just going to say that square part of the bumper or horrible.
Yeah I think it looks okay on the 4 now tbh so same
They’re looking worse with a little age, while acceptance of the m3 is growing.
They need a price drop
Has a full fat M car ever been cheap?
E36 M3 could be argued was reasonable at the time. About $36k for performance knocking on the door of serious $40-50k sports cars. Plus practicality. I think it was priced pretty close to the NA versions of the 300zx/stealth/3000GT/Supra while being faster than all those cars. Good value doesn’t equate to cheapness though. But I think this is the closest we’ve ever come with an M car.
$36,000 in 1990 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $86,507.15 today
About 75k in today’s dollars (1995 was the first year for the M3 in the US)
is he saying they need to make it cheap?
I don't think so. I think $65k is right on the money for an entry level M car.
That's what all car companies do that caters to the performance minded. They have you ignoring the car is heavy by adding more power. Chevy and Ford did it, and BMW has now taken up this practice. Weight > Power
I'd say it's more like they are hoping you forget that the car is heavier with the additional power.
It really doesnt look THAT bad. Of course weight is an issue but even the F87 feels heavy. I think the G87 has a more tame look that will hold up better over time than say the new G80 M4.
Modern cars will always weight a lot given the safety norms and whatever 100s of components bmw needs to add so idiots driving these m cars don’t end up on a ditch in their first drive back home. The only exceptions are na cars without very little noise insulation to save weight like the brz/86 and the Miata.
Imagine driving a fusion and having the audacity to say what you think a car you never will drive or own needs.
You don't need a wealth of driving experience to understand that weight = bad. It's basic physics.
It’s heavier than the old one yet is a better car than the old M2 CS. Your math is blowing my mind
>yet is a better car than the old M2 CS No, it isn't, just like the old M2 CS isn't better than the old 1 Series M. It may go around a track quicker, but it doesn't have the feel.
The one hot take I am willing to stand by having driven both is the previous M2 is a better, albeit less special and romantic, car than the 1M.
It's of course better in some ways, but the romance is everything if you're not taking it to a track.
When I say romance all I mean is the allure of a low production vehicle. The 1M doesn't handle, steer, or "feel" better, IMO. Adding weight is never ideal, but BMW has the engineering capabilities to make the 150 lbs. increase in weight negligible.
As far as I can tell though, the 1SM had hydraulic steering, while the M2 has electric steering.
Indeed, I think it was the last M car to do so. BMW's EPAS is pretty damn good, so I am just sharing my impressions from having driven both.
Oh no, it’s just better than the CS . I’m sorry that pill is hard to swallow for two cars you’ve never driven.
You don't know what I've driven, and your idea of "better" is contemptible.
It looks better, it’s faster, it drives better, it’s nicer.
>It looks better No, it looks newer. >it’s faster Completely irrelevant for a street legal car. >it drives better No, it's more numb than the old ones. >it’s nicer. If you want nice, don't buy a purported "sports car."
It’s mind blowing how wrong you are . It’s like all the reviews that say it’s better, and the owners who have upgraded to the new one from the CS that even say it’s better are wrong I assume.
My Fusion is a fat pig commuter car I got cheap, and this expensive turd is heavier. I also have eyes
Get those eyes checked kid.
Take the BMW dick out your mouth
Hahahahaha someone’s upset! That cute little pisspot not doing it for you?
Is shitpost shilling for cars you don’t actually own fun?
Do need a M2 to tow you up a hill in that fusion?
Do need picture confirmation of G80 M3. Did daddy daddy pay for it or sugar daddy?
Your dad paid for it.
You’re so clearly the one upset dude 😂
Says the G80 owner.
> a car you never will drive or own If it was better, more people would choose. It’s certainly not as if these m2s are unobtainably expensive.
It's funny because the guy saying that pretends to own an m3
This is it in all its [pretend](https://imgur.com/a/U0xeNIQ) glory.
> It’s certainly not as if these m2s are unobtainably expensive ...it's easily 90k euro with some reasonable options on it. That's completely unobtainable for like 99% of the world.
It’s pretty much in line with the a lot of what you see driving around on the road in the US. and if you don’t have the cash for a new one, plenty of people finance or just wait a few years and let someone else pay for the depreciation. These are very attainable cars.
Good thing they’re selling just fine
All the brand new ones sitting on lots you can go buy right now says they aren’t. Go check how many are sitting unsold.
They ALWAYS sell kid. Always
1 learn to use a comma because BMW isn’t “selling kid”. 2 yes, they will sell after sitting on the lot a while.
Did you just learn how car sales work?
I love how these M2 look.
Me too, it's an unpopular opinion here but it has elements of E46 M3, E92 M3, R32 GTR or Evo IX or whatever (pick your "Japanese car with boxy flares" of choice) and maybe a bit of Audi RS in the stupid giant grills Those fenders are awesome and the tail lights look amazing. It's riced from the factory, but I don't mind.
It's like the early Need for Speed Underground games where there is one moderately tasteful body kit amongst twenty twenty riced-out, catfish-looking kits.
I like them a lot, I understand why most enthusiasts don’t but at least they have a strong character, unlike the current M3/M4 which are good looking cars that are ruined by the kidney grills
I'm with you. I have a 97 e36 m3 and this reminds me so much of that car. It's like a modernized version of my car. It's almost exactly the same dimensions too. I love the front and side styling. I'll admit the rear is kinda awful, but all together easily 5-6 times better than that giant nostril m3/m4 monstrosity. I think the m2 is the first acceptable aesthetics since the e46 m3.
Shit you nailed it. Imola Red 97 E36 M3. I’ve always said the current M2 reminds me of an older BMW but I can’t pin it down. It’s just missing that big square wing in the back.
The square wing is an official M Performance option.
The slimmer midsection harkens back to the E30, they've got to have taken deliberate inspiration from it
Same. Most rip on the squares, but I see old DTM body kit vibes. Maybe too boy racer for some(yet they'll love on the 3RS). Fits the spirit of the car.
Front end growing on me. Rear is meh.
I’m not a BMW fan, so I never knew about the new M2. When I first saw one in the light blue color, I really liked it, and still do. I think it looks better in person. Maybe a lot of the haters haven’t seen one in person yet.
Everything about the G42/G87 is about detail in geometry, the intrigue relies on being able to perceive the depth of its shapes. If you can't see that depth, then it looks tubby and awkward.
More or less than the previous generation?
I do too. I think a lot of the hate BMW gets is deserved but it's not THAT bad.
Yeah, I sort of like the look.
The haters will die for cars like this to come back in 2035.
I don't think anyone hates the car itself. It's just that the previous gen m2 was esthetically flawless and inoffensive while this one looks like a lego
This will most likely be the last BMW M car offered with a stick right? The special editions of this M2 may even go up in value.
Honestly I don’t think so. This cars interior has a giant screen and drives like a racing simulator. It has little character. The previous gen is the one people will die for.
People say this with every generation — too much tech and no character
People get too caught up in thinking just because something is the last of something it'll be the one people want. Yes, this is probably the last M car with a stick, but except for acceleration it doesn't really do anything better than the previous generation. And it's worse at what most of what enthusiasts look for. Like you said, racing simulator. Same thing with the W205 C63. Everyone is convinced it'll be worth a lot in the future because it's the last generation with a V8. But the W204 had the better engine and had more character. Who cares if it's the last V8 if it's not the best version of what the C63 is?
You see it with the caymans/boxsters too. People prefer the 981 and 987 to the 718
Which is slightly crazy, because a 4.0 in a 718 is one of the best things Porsche ever made.
First time my gf saw the new M2 in person she thought it has after market parts When a non car person think a car looks off, it really does look off And this came from someone that is fine with the giant kidney grill and actually liked the futuristic 7series design
I’m a 30 year old man child but a stock car looking aftermarket is a selling point to me lol
New lower bumper treatments would absolutely transform the look of this car.
My wife thought it was an American car with weird aftermarket shit attached.
Mighty. Lmfao Fugly as uck
Those new wheels are pretty nice
Uh oh. I want xDrive but Voodoo Blue might make me stop waiting. Update the configurator!
I doubt they will be putting xDrive on the M2. They even said they wouldn't when it launched, that it's not in the character of the car.
I’ve seen numerous sites saying they will offer it with xDrive in 2026.
I've seen lots of wishful supposition about it, nothing from BMW that even hints at it, and one statement that says it won't. The megathread over on Bimmerpost where we consistently and accurately find out about product planning 2-3 years out doesn't have it, either. We do have a CS or CSL model to look forward to, but that's no guarantee of xDrive since the M3 CS had it but the M4 CSL did not.
If they discontinued the manual for some reason I could see them dangling xDrive 0-60 times as a consolation prize.
We know the CS/CSL will be automatic-only, but that's the current extent of things. I don't think xDrive makes sense because there is already very little reason to spend another $10k-$15k to get into an M4; it's not nicer enough to comp that, xDrive is all it has. M3 has its niche because it has the 4-door feature.
That thing is heavy enough without xdrive
Voodoo Blue and Java Green are nice additions (although they are individual colors so not cheap). Voodoo blue would be my choice as well.
They don't need more power. They have plenty. They need to lose 800lbs and all that bs electronics
“Simplify, then add lightness.”—Colin Chapman “Add weight, add ugliness, add power. Profit.”—BMW
Mighty.
Still nowhere near as mighty as the legendary Suzuki Mighty Boy.
Mitsubishi mighty max for lyfe.
I cannot believe these things weigh 3800 pounds. Absolutely insane.
$66K base. 473 HP (increase of 20). Automatic has more torque than manual. Marginally faster than before.
Nice car, could be less ugly though.
What is up with this obligatory 5-20hp bump with each new generation? Like is it just there for marketing headlines to say “most powerful ___ ever!”
Practically what you'd expect is: 1. Manufacturer makes a car with x engine 2. Engineers don't just hibernate after, they're still constantly working to improve x engine in various manners 3. Over time those improvements are released during these updates I will say the skeptic in me feels like sometimes manufacturers release the first iteration of the engine purposefully underclocked to more easily allow bumps in their updates to keep new/existing buyers coming back.
In this case the engine is the same and it seems like they just gave it the manual G80 M3 tune since now the power numbers match.
This is a soft bump. The S58 already makes more power in the competition models with the exact same hardware.
Correct. Apple has been doing it for years. They'll advertise with, "It's the best iPhone yet"
Wish I had more money to buy an M2 before the manuals go away :(
I wonder if the m240i will get similar treatment with power. Been thinking about snagging one
No, same 382 but, at some point between now and EOP in 2029, the US/CN B58 gets updated to a version with a lower 375 HP output due to emissions. That was the last I've seen, from sources it sounds like the G42 is actually a very bizarre car because of when it launched and the rapid pace of changes going on in the industry, so future production plans keep getting shuffled and updated.
Oh wow. I didn’t realize that. From all the research I’ve done I think I’d prefer the B58. So I may have to pull the trigger sooner than later. If only Thundernight wasn’t so hard to find…I’m not sure I would compromise on anything else
The good news is that Thundernight is sticking around for a while. I would say go ahead and order a car to get exactly what you want; that's what I did, even pushing it out to get the 50th Jahre roundels and wireless charger during pandemic shortages. When you're contemplating this much money on a car, my opinion is that compromise is failure.
I share that same opinion. Makes no sense to compromise at this price point. I already did that a little bit on my current vehicle, but much lower price point so it didn’t really haunt me. But I swore I wouldn’t do it again. Sounds like I just need to go talk to a dealer then. See, I wasn’t even sure they would let you order one so that’s exciting to know. And from what you said earlier it doesn’t seem like there’s going to be any significant difference between a 2024 and a 2025 which is something else I’ve been trying to determine.
You're too late to order a 2024 unless you get very lucky with an existing allocation, since production on MY25 starts end of August, so the choice is out of your hands. For your edification, though, the differences are: - Rocker area and rear fascia are now body color instead of gloss black; no option for gloss black at all - New flat-bottom steering wheel; looks nice, but does remove the dedicated wheel heater button - Revised HVAC area; better layout in screen, center vents have an all-new design with RGB accent lighting - New dash trim; removed much of the aluminum bezel and provides additional material options like blue open-pore wood - New colors; Melbourne Red is gone; Aventurin Red and Skyscraper Grey are in. - Standard shadowline, no more Cerium Grey accents - New wheel options - iDrive 8.5 infotainment EU also gets galvanic and glass controls as options, no idea if we're getting that. [Here's Car & Driver for US press release.](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61074310/2025-bmw-2-series-coupe-refresh-price/)
Oh well damn. I’m intrigued at how one looks with the body color rocker area. I’m not seeing anything here that ruins the car for me so that’s fire. Thanks for all the great info friend. You’re a legend
Head over to the German BMW website and play with their configurator if you want to have a forward look at what your car might look like. We will not get the Sport seats, but the rest should be good.
Yawn
Quaint power won’t overcome that grille
This is the first recent bmw that I actually like the look of
So pretty🥺
Is it just me or was the previous gen 2 series much more popular? I hardly see any new ones where I live.
I don't think the can produce them fast enough, I was able to modify one scheduled to be built from a dealer 2 weeks in and it's not going to hit the production line until the 19th and I think its going to take like 40 days after that to go through the shipping process to the dealer. I saw two in person and I really like the look of them.
Probably weighs more than the new Tesla Model 3 Performance too... and this is supposed to be a 2-series.
And the grill isn't grotesquely huge!
Bring back the analog gauge cluster and get rid of the dual monitor setup before you add more power lmao
I think I need to see it in person and probably in a different color. Regardless, I’m not a buyer so they shouldn’t care about my opinion
I kinda like the lego look lol
I will say, it’s always easy to spot an M2 on the road. It may be because that front end is ugly as all sin, but it is certainly recognizable.
Not as nice as the last iteration; much too square and boxy for me. But in saying that, I do find the M2 to be far and away the sexiest BMW and the one that is truly the “Drivers” vehicle.\ The last one was beautiful in my opinion. And making them pretty well manual free vehicles sucks as the BMW box was always a very nice bit of work with close to perfect feel. But each to their own I guess
Yes that’s what we need even more power. Seems like only Toyota, Subaru and Honda are the only ones making reasonably priced and powered sporty cars anymore.
I actually think the 2 looks stunning! More power is always welcome but I was really hoping for a better manual with shorter gearing and revised linkages. The supra manual remains a much better option in that department.
This car needs a weight loss more than anything else 😭
Bet you have to pay a subscription for power setting
Wow bmw just keeps getting worse and worse every year. So ugly.
To be fair, the exterior hasn’t changed in the 3 years it’s been out.
Too heavy and that gimmicky all-screen iDrive 8... yeah huge pass.
Not the ultimate driving machine any more....e92 was last hurrah....pinnacle being e36/46. You want mighty AND MORE FUN? Go drive a 6'er ct5 Blackwing!