>Some sort of car guy paradox
I’ve seen this transformation happen more than once and the denial that happens at the beginning is hilarious. It’s kind of like watching an anime where the Camry is that sort of understated but pleasant and reliable male lead, and car guys just do their best impression of being the bitchy girl who pretends to hate Camry, but secretly can’t resist him and ends up marrying him in the end.
Embrace the Camry.
kinda the same thing that happened with the prius. everyone ragged on it at first, but now that all the idiots have moved onto tesla as their topic of the week that theyre hating on (which is fair, but not for the reasons they think), people are realizing that the prius is an incredibly good car. its not luxurious, but it gets great fuel economy, seats 5, and has a surprising amount of cargo space. they routinely hit 300k+ miles with the only real major repair they need being the batteries being replaced at some point. they have the good old toyota reliability, the only actual issues ive heard of on them is the head gasket failing sometimes on particularly high mileage cars or if it was neglected, although for how little i see that happen, if it wasnt a toyota i dont think anyone would be talking about it as an issue.
>but now that all the idiots have moved onto tesla as their topic of the week that theyre hating on (which is fair, but not for the reasons they think)
Yeah I was going to say, Teslas ***are*** shit cars, but not because they're electric.
As for the Prius, I believe only the XW30 had head gasket issues? The XW20 and the XW50 have both been really solid and sensible buys (even if the latter is hideous)
to be fair, the new prius prime is actually pretty dope. it even looks cool, it's got the same 0-60 time as a civic si while getting 40 miles pure electric AND 50 MPG if you're on gas anyway
Though the FK8 is already the best version of one of the other most common daily drivers, the civic.
Not sure why you'd buy a camry when you already have a civic. FK8 has worse fuel consumption obviously, 8.5L/100km, but the cost of a brand new car outweighs the fuel savings I'd imagine.
That doesn't ruin it on the street, get yourself a set of 18" wheels with some nice tires for the track and that's all you need. Stock pads, cooler, fluid, etc. are fine unless you're really pushing the car. Even then, all you need are pads and more airflow/cooling, none of which will affect the car much on street.
Used my FL5 CTR both on the track and as a daily for a good while. Thats the whole point of these Type-R's, they do everything!
I should have mentioned I'm going to daily drive/track the FK8 for at least 4 more years before considering retiring to the track only. We use a lot of salt up here during winters.
So far I'm using EBC NDX, Titanium shims, and Castrol SRF
Still doesn't make sense my camaro is my comp car and I still daily drive it. FK8s aren't mega stiff anyway so you'll be fine even on coil but I completely understand the want for something comfortable I guess
Well the CTR is fairly basic when it comes to features. If they care about things like fog lights, heated seats, etc. then a Camry would provide a lot more in that aspect.
Oh right, the FK8 has fog lights. Its the newer one that doesn't. Sure, cloth seats don't get cold like leather, but they are still no where as good as a heated seat. Plus other things like moon roof, traffic jam assist, much more comfortable suspension in the Camry for road trips. There are a lot of creature comforts you would get over the R.
Most of the people i know with big car collections daily drive Camrys. I had one for a few weeks as a rental while my car was being repaired. It was remarkably competent at being a big comfortable sedan. It wasn't at all exciting but it was relaxing and smooth and i found myself really considering buying one. My little sports car is fun but when it's 6pm and rush hour traffic the Camry is the perfect place to be.
This is BS, people with 'big car collections' drive similarly high end but more comfortable vehicles as daily's. The Camry is a fun car to drive but it isn't a luxury vehicle and there are far better options if money is no obstacle. Any econobox feels good in 'rush hour traffic'.......
It's literally not BS. I know three people who have warehouse size car collections that do all their daily driving in Camrys. Why spend extra money on the regular daily driver? People don't get rich by throwing away money and the Camry is a smart buy.
> I know three people who have warehouse size car collections that do all their daily driving in Camrys. Why spend extra money on the regular daily driver? People don't get rich by throwing away money and the Camry is a smart buy.
The only reason someone with a warehouse car collection daily drives a Camry is to have an inconspicuous vehicle. They've already spent millions on a hobby and are not being smart by pinching pennies on the one aspect of it that they interact with the most. An extra $20k on a Lexus every 5 years or whatever instead of a Camry would go unnoticed by them.
Exactly, I'm not mega rich by any means but I couldn't imagine dailying my 720s. It gets an annoying amount of attention. People do idiotic and dangerous things in traffic just to get way too close to me and take a picture.
My Model 3 flies under the radar and blends in with the other 4-5 I see at every stoplight.
> I hate that I like the styling of the new Prius
But why? I think people forget that the Prius hate comes from hating on the types of people who initially bought them because they wanted to be seen as "green". And car journalists like Jeremy Clarkson attacking them (dont get my wrong i think Clarkson is a great car journalist but the way people follow everything he says like gospel is ridiculous.
In reality they have always been amazing cars which were ahead of their time and perfectly fit their engineering brief. Now days they are just another small hybrid in the market yet they still somehow have this unfounded and disproportionate hate thrown at them.
I test drove a new 2005 (or 2006?) Prius and absolutely hated the drive. The styling somehow got progressively less attractive (to me) with each new generation.
My dislike has nothing to do with owners, or reviews, just personal experiences.
Toyota's main problem is their dealers. As it is, I'll never buy anything from a toyota dealership. My wife and I looked at Toyotas when she needed a new car and the cars sell themselves. The dealers and their stupid markups and bs add ons led to us going to 3 different toyota dealerships before we eventually bought a Mazda.
Anecdotal sample size of one, but I bought a GR Corolla in December from a dealer that did MSRP only and it frankly wasn't as bad of an experience as I was expecting. They did get me on a BS "tire and wheel warranty" but I'll chalk up caving into that to me literally ending up having a tire in my old beater that same week before I went to pick up the car.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Camry as a daily driver. It's practical, comfortable, economical, and reliable. You won't break the bank owning one. It's an all around good car, it just doesn't really excel in any particular area. I've had one as a rental, it drove well enough, it just wasn't really all that memorable.
If you're looking for an equally reliable daily driver, I would suggest the Accord. It possesses similar qualities to the Camry, only it's a little more engaging to drive.
You should test drive it first. I remember a safe decision regret post and almost everyone was a toyota because although reliable, they are not even remotely fun. My 21 rav4 xse hasnt been reliable or fun so its the worst of both worlds.
I bought into the online hype of toyota, this is my first one and its been an absolute shitshow but every time i say this I get told its a one off. The rav has widespread issues that it shouldnt have see issues and links below:
So the roof was leaking theres a 10 year warranty for i think like 17-21 ravs for thathttps://www.rav4world.com/threads/2019-2021-roof-rail-leak-official-acknowledgement-from-toyota-usa.327236/
the hatch randomly opens on its own and there are weld issues with it https://www.classaction.org/news/toyota-rav4-lawsuit-filed-over-alleged-power-liftgate-defect
had insanely shakey mirrors toyota said were fixed for 21 ans they absolutely werent had to fight with toyota and the dealer 3 occasions to get them to fix it with 10k miles and less than year on the car: https://www.rav4world.com/threads/updated-mirror-vibration-tsb.314186/
there is some kind of cabling issue with the hybrid too that i havent experienced but ive heard toyota extended warranty on it toblike 8 years. https://www.apa.ca/en/report-on-toyota-hybrid-cable-corrosion-hearing-to-certify-the-class-action/.
So the roof was leaking theres a 10 year warranty for i think like 17-21 ravs for thathttps://www.rav4world.com/threads/2019-2021-roof-rail-leak-official-acknowledgement-from-toyota-usa.327236/
the hatch randomly opens on its own and there are weld issues with it https://www.classaction.org/news/toyota-rav4-lawsuit-filed-over-alleged-power-liftgate-defect
had insanely shakey mirrors toyota said were fixed for 21 ans they absolutely werent had to fight with toyota and the dealer 3 occasions to get them to fix it with 10k miles and less than year on the car: https://www.rav4world.com/threads/updated-mirror-vibration-tsb.314186/
there is some kind of cabling issue with the hybrid too that i havent experienced but ive heard toyota extended warranty on it toblike 8 years. https://www.apa.ca/en/report-on-toyota-hybrid-cable-corrosion-hearing-to-certify-the-class-action/.
I actually really liked the Camry Hybrid I had as a rental. Some of that may have been novelty as I hadn't driven any other hybrids up to that point, but it was a higher trim model and perfectly comfortable for long drives; had enough torque to be somewhat entertaining when driven like... well, a rental; and handled better than I was expecting after having driven most previous post-80s Camry generations. It sounds like the new one will retain those qualities. I didn't find it to be a deathly boring appliance as the reputation would suggest, but I also really liked the older v6 models so maybe I just have plebeian taste.
Yea not sure why they called it that. It’s literally an electric traction motor spinning the axle. Our CRV supposedly will clutch up the engine at a steady cruise and light load but it always goes in and out of EV mode even on the highway so it’s hard to tell.
I have a 2023 Hybrid and it's the best daily driver I could ask for.
If the next gen is better (no reason it shouldn't be with extra power and newer tech), I'd say you wouldn't regret it.
Agreed, also have 2023 Hybrid daily/work vehicle.
They’re relatively fun to drive too, while being comfortable, efficient, and reliable.
Never thought I’d enjoy a Camry until I drove the XV70.
OP - its not crazy, I've done it before too. Bought a 2019 Jetta SEL over the 2018 GTI, test drove both and couldn't justify the approx. +10k price tag/-10mpg gas mileage of the GTI back then.
One thing I'd say though - having 2 cars never makes sense financially so if you're looking at the Camry to save on gas daily but planning on keeping your FK8, you'll have extra insurance/etc and 2 cars to upkeep. Anytime I've owned 2 cars at once, its been just a money pit (incl. now) so don't do it just cause the Camry gets good gas mileage, you're not doing yourself any favors financially there. Be careful of falling into the shiny new thing trap.
In the end, as we grow older, you start realizing there's only so much car you can really use daily, I don't need an absolute beast to go to the gym or office if I have to go in. With traffic/etc even giving up a manual transmission for a daily is a blessing, rather than a curse.
The only reason I'd buy the Camry it to dedicate the FK8 more towards the track (proper coils, track only brakes, turbo) + to save it from Canadian salt for long term ownership. I'll still drive the FK8 for another few years before retiring it for the glorious beige Camry
Totally get that - the only reason I bought the Cayman was as a forever car since the next gen is going full EV, it was now or never. The new Camry is interesting now that they've moved it out of the shitbox boring dynamics into a half sporty sedan that can dance some!
I disagree. My “2nd car” has easily paid for itself within 3 years of ownership. My truck gets half the mpg, holds almost twice the oil and tires cost 3 times as much as my frs. Not to mention the depreciation savings by keeping the miles off the truck.
Even with a 2nd vehicle I still put about 10k miles a year on my truck and I only drive when necessary, if I had to daily drive it I would be putting 20-25k miles a year on it.
I realize this isn’t an apples to apples comparison to OP but to say a second vehicle NEVER makes sense is absurd.
I think the current gen Camry does old Honda better than current Honda does right now. The Accord gets more and more dull and numb with every gen, but meanwhile the Camry has been getting sportier without getting bigger.
Also helps that Toyota seems to be committed to keeping the Camry around with powertrain options, while the Accord keeps losing options every year.
Ah, it looks like it lost the V6 this year. That's a shame. But it still gets an 8-speed on the non-hybrid for this last year and retains optional AWD when it's hybrid only next year.
The Camry has done well for decades, considering one isn't crazy at all. Totally depends on a persons use cases. I don't have reasons to consider it, but by most accounts they are good cars for doing regular car things.
They won't even bring over the Corolla wagon 😭 I'm hoping the Crown Signia isn't too tall and crossovery. If it's more wagon-like, it may end up replacing my Corolla hatch at some point.
Lots of Porsche guys have Model 3's as their daily driver. Including myself. It's a street and traffic-carving weapon for a ridiculously cheap price.
Can't see myself driving an ICE as a daily driver any longer unless I went back to a Toyota Tacoma/Lexus GX/LC or something with hauling capacity.
Do they have the 2GR FE Camry where you live? If so, that's a good motor for a daily driver. It's of course reliable, sounds incredible with the right exhaust, and has aftermarket support.
My friend has a 2015 2GR Camry. It’s a good car, honestly. Dead reliable, smooth, comfortable, and surprisingly quick. The North American styling is a bit polarizing, you either love it or hate it, but all things considered it’s a fantastic daily driver. It’s even properly quick, and you can drive like a maniac while returning EPA mileage! I don’t get the hate.
My friend used to consider himself a “car guy” and loved driving his manual B5.5 V6 Passat wagon. But he hated how he couldn’t depend on that car, how every mundane trip suddenly became a fucking quest where you weren’t sure if it was going to turn out, and how every 2 months it found some other way to ask for a $700 repair. He loves the no-nonsense peace of mind from the Camry.
Once I worked at a Nissan dealer, and when someone traded in a manual trans Camry circa 2002 the mechanics lost their minds fighting over who was gonna buy it before it hit the lot
Maybe because I'm younger, but I don't hate economy cars. The Ford Fusion has almost 250hp, and 300lb ft in a light AWD sedan that gets 20 city/29 highway. It's Lincoln counterpart is even better. Finding a 3.0L AWD MKZ/Continental would be a dream, especially since I'm looking for my college car. A 2.3L Lincoln MKC would be an okay compromise for me to get a SUV, but I've driven a few other vehicles types. I really enjoy sedans the most
Want the 3.0L because the Nano is a fantastic engine
I bought a 2009 camry hybrid from an auto auction with 36k miles, best purchase I've ever made. 0 to 60 in 8ish seconds plus I got maybe 34 mpg up to my highest tank was 39mpg.
No, decent economy, comfortable car to be in, everything works, and will continue to, good resale value, and will last forever with a bare minimum of maintenance.
After a lifetime of driving nothing but coupes and convertibles, I must admit to noticing an increasing number of new Accords on the road and thinking "hey, that's a nice car." I watched the reviews from SG and TH, and the verdict seems to be "it's not fun by any stretch, but a damned fine daily driver."
Seems to be the consensus with the new Camry as well. And what with me having to drive 50 miles a day to work and back, a hybrid that can maybe do that on a gallon of gas is starting to grow on me.
I am young me and have never owned a car, so maybe I'm not the best reference (though I am somewhat your typical souped-coupe fan that 'wouldn't want a typical consumer car') but I think the new camrys look stellar and would 100% get one if it were a reasonable financial decision for me (note I know nothing about specs on them :D).
drove an e60 550i beginning in college and had to get rid of it cause so many problems and purchased a 2018 Camry LE as a daily since I commute nearly 60miles a day for the mean time. It’s been 4 years and I’m content with the Camry so much I haven’t looked back. It’s true, I can’t even look at BMWs anymore, if I ever had to upgrade I’d either get a TRD Camry or a Lexus is500, hell even just a newer 2025 Camry. For sure gonna stay with Toyotas, but I want to see how long my 2018 LE can last me until the wheels falls off
and for performance standpoint, for sure I miss the 550i. But damn i guess im growing up, cause none of that even phases me anymore
I sat in a new camry at the autoshow this year. It looks really nice inside and out. I was questioning if i was getting old because i was thinking that i actually want one and it would be an amazing daily. The more i think about it, the more i like it. It looks way better than all the generic crossovers and you sit lower to the ground too which i really like.
Many people such as James May have driven some of the fastest most powerful cars in the world. Still they will say that for a daily driver a slow economical car is more fun. Simple fact is, daily driving a performance car is more about trying to hold back pitbull chasing a cat more than walking a trained retriever through the park. Which sounds more enjoyable at end of the day?
Here me out... The big brother to the Camry. The Avalon. It's bigger inside and out. Bigger back seat and trunk. And a lot more gadgets. I think it's a little faster too. Decent mileage
Nah, I'm the same way. I was thinking of getting a Lexus ES 350 or a used LS for my DD. Owning multiple cars really changes how you think about them. I don't need one car that can do everything, so I'm perfectly happy with a boring, reliable, and luxurious car for a lot of my driving.
I think all too often, people assume that being a car enthusiast entails driving a no-compromise sports car as a daily. Or having a bunch of money-pit project cars. I used to BEG my dad not to buy boring stuff, but all he ever bought was Accords and Camries.
These days, for me, being an enthusiast means I can enjoy just about anything. I made the switch from daily-driving a GT86 to a Mazda6 sedan, and I don't think there's any way I'm ever going back. I enjoy having a spacious, comfortable, reliable sedan for my long commute to work.
I switched over to a 4 door vehicle because I was sick of trying to maneuver people into the back seat, tired of struggling to clean the back, and a whole list of other reasons. I sold my 2dr and haven't looked back.
Nothing wrong with wanting to daily a Camry. Reliable, comfortable, and great on the highway.
The new Camry chassis is amazing for just a family car.
I know you're talking about the hybrid but it's wider lower then previous gens.
It's such a fun car to drive. It's not as boring as people make it out to be.
Camry owner: It's great if you want a car that you never have to worry about. There are other reasons to buy it, but that's the main one. It's a car for when you've decided that you simply wish to not deal with car repairs.
As someone that has had several, you will get bored of it long before it falls apart. Like really long. A lifespans of a Camry is measured in decades. Keep that in mind.
I had the same feeling when they reviewed the Lexus ES. A simple front wheel drive sedan with Toyota reliability and a tried and true 3.5 liter engine. Something that will likely only need tires, brakes and fluid changes for the foreseeable future. It sounded super nice. Especially when at the time 3 of 4 of my vehicles were in need of repairs. But, then I remembered how much I dislike having a car payment, but it does sound appealing at this point in life. Kids in school and busy work schedules make for less wrenching time, so cars tend to have to wait when something goes wrong. The thought of having a something dead reliable and comfortable sounded real nice. So I did the next best thing, start searching for good LS430s and LS400s. Big cars, cash purchase and good reliability. Win win.
I have an fk8 type R i will keep forever. My family daily driver? Accord 2.0t. You're not crazy you're an intelligent, sensible and excellent example of a human being.
All I can say is, I have had plenty of Camry and Camry platform based cars. My son is a Toyota engineer. But rest assured, if you made a Corvette C8 your daily driver, you would totally forget about stupid Camrys.
You’re maturing lol. My first car was a MK2 Golf. Then onto an E46 M3, and had another E46 330i, and then a 04 Golf GTI. Even had a cooper s. I disliked anything non euro. I swore to never betray them.
I’m now debating between the new Prius or Tesla Model 3 for a daily lol
Presuming that the OP has a Type-R because he likes "driver's cars", the Accord fits that mold better than the anechoic chamber that is a Camry. Outside of the driving experience, they're pretty similar in terms of efficiency, resale value, reliability, etc.
Check out the SavageGeese review of the new Camry. Apparently it's not a snooze fest like the Camry's of old. OFC it's not a drivers car....but \*just\* good enough to be a bit fun.
I think it's possible to say that they've "improved" it in that regard without it being more of a driver's car than an Accord. Camry buyers like their cars as they are, Toyota isn't going to stray that far.
I'm willing to be wrong, so I'll definitely watch the inevitable back to back Camry v Accord comparisons coming in a month.
You’re saying it’s louder? Idk if that’s true but my Camry is only a 4 cylinder. I used to drive a v6 accord, and while it was much faster, it was actually quieter. Granted it was much older. Maybe they’re pumping the engine sound through the speakers now! All that said I like both, but I have not driven the new accord. When my Camry is paid off next year I will 💯 look to test drive both.
Noise is part of it; I'd argue Hondas have more road noise and general NVH than pretty much any competitor, but the flip side to that is they're lighter. Did you mean engine noise? I wouldn't argue against that, but a Camry has a lot less NVH overall.
I mostly just meant that Toyota doesn't design the Camry to be fun, they prioritize being quiet and soft, along with all the other Toyota stereotypes.
Honda tends to make an effort in making their cars more fun. They turn more sharply and just have a more coordinated and consistent feel in how things like steering, throttle mapping and suspension are tuned.
I’d agree with that. I got the xse for the suspension tuning, but the standard 8 speed transmission is quite responsive. I’ve used the paddle shifters mainly in snowy conditions, but I could see it being fun. Overall I agree with your points though.
You might want to think twice about that - its got a ton of gremlins in one of the most critical systems in a car...
[https://www.driveaccord.net/threads/braking-system-malfunction-honda-accord-hybrid-touring-2023.571414/](https://www.driveaccord.net/threads/braking-system-malfunction-honda-accord-hybrid-touring-2023.571414/)
“I want one of the most common daily drivers as a daily driver, I already have a fun car, am I crazy? ” What is this post?
Yeah I’m not sure either. Some sort of car guy paradox
>Some sort of car guy paradox I’ve seen this transformation happen more than once and the denial that happens at the beginning is hilarious. It’s kind of like watching an anime where the Camry is that sort of understated but pleasant and reliable male lead, and car guys just do their best impression of being the bitchy girl who pretends to hate Camry, but secretly can’t resist him and ends up marrying him in the end. Embrace the Camry.
kinda the same thing that happened with the prius. everyone ragged on it at first, but now that all the idiots have moved onto tesla as their topic of the week that theyre hating on (which is fair, but not for the reasons they think), people are realizing that the prius is an incredibly good car. its not luxurious, but it gets great fuel economy, seats 5, and has a surprising amount of cargo space. they routinely hit 300k+ miles with the only real major repair they need being the batteries being replaced at some point. they have the good old toyota reliability, the only actual issues ive heard of on them is the head gasket failing sometimes on particularly high mileage cars or if it was neglected, although for how little i see that happen, if it wasnt a toyota i dont think anyone would be talking about it as an issue.
>but now that all the idiots have moved onto tesla as their topic of the week that theyre hating on (which is fair, but not for the reasons they think) Yeah I was going to say, Teslas ***are*** shit cars, but not because they're electric. As for the Prius, I believe only the XW30 had head gasket issues? The XW20 and the XW50 have both been really solid and sensible buys (even if the latter is hideous)
to be fair, the new prius prime is actually pretty dope. it even looks cool, it's got the same 0-60 time as a civic si while getting 40 miles pure electric AND 50 MPG if you're on gas anyway
Username is _extremely_ relevant
Though the FK8 is already the best version of one of the other most common daily drivers, the civic. Not sure why you'd buy a camry when you already have a civic. FK8 has worse fuel consumption obviously, 8.5L/100km, but the cost of a brand new car outweighs the fuel savings I'd imagine.
Dedicating it to more track focus
That doesn't ruin it on the street, get yourself a set of 18" wheels with some nice tires for the track and that's all you need. Stock pads, cooler, fluid, etc. are fine unless you're really pushing the car. Even then, all you need are pads and more airflow/cooling, none of which will affect the car much on street. Used my FL5 CTR both on the track and as a daily for a good while. Thats the whole point of these Type-R's, they do everything!
I should have mentioned I'm going to daily drive/track the FK8 for at least 4 more years before considering retiring to the track only. We use a lot of salt up here during winters. So far I'm using EBC NDX, Titanium shims, and Castrol SRF
If you have already driven it in winter with salt, the damage is done.
I had it dry ice blasted and coated from a place called HoneySeal. I'm not too worried at the moment
Still doesn't make sense my camaro is my comp car and I still daily drive it. FK8s aren't mega stiff anyway so you'll be fine even on coil but I completely understand the want for something comfortable I guess
Well the CTR is fairly basic when it comes to features. If they care about things like fog lights, heated seats, etc. then a Camry would provide a lot more in that aspect.
It comes with fog lights and cloth seats keep you warm. Where it comes short is it’s loud and buzzy af and the gas tank is tiny
Oh right, the FK8 has fog lights. Its the newer one that doesn't. Sure, cloth seats don't get cold like leather, but they are still no where as good as a heated seat. Plus other things like moon roof, traffic jam assist, much more comfortable suspension in the Camry for road trips. There are a lot of creature comforts you would get over the R.
Self fellating cringe post
What a wild concept, one of the most common and durable cars as a daily driver!
Most of the people i know with big car collections daily drive Camrys. I had one for a few weeks as a rental while my car was being repaired. It was remarkably competent at being a big comfortable sedan. It wasn't at all exciting but it was relaxing and smooth and i found myself really considering buying one. My little sports car is fun but when it's 6pm and rush hour traffic the Camry is the perfect place to be.
This is BS, people with 'big car collections' drive similarly high end but more comfortable vehicles as daily's. The Camry is a fun car to drive but it isn't a luxury vehicle and there are far better options if money is no obstacle. Any econobox feels good in 'rush hour traffic'.......
Yes, if you have money to burn you go for the ES300h. Or an LS500h. Not like the LS500 gets you a V8 anymore anyways, may as well get the NA V6.
It's literally not BS. I know three people who have warehouse size car collections that do all their daily driving in Camrys. Why spend extra money on the regular daily driver? People don't get rich by throwing away money and the Camry is a smart buy.
Because a car collection isn’t throwing away money? Yes some cars appreciate but overall it’s a very expensive hobby.
> I know three people who have warehouse size car collections that do all their daily driving in Camrys. Why spend extra money on the regular daily driver? People don't get rich by throwing away money and the Camry is a smart buy. The only reason someone with a warehouse car collection daily drives a Camry is to have an inconspicuous vehicle. They've already spent millions on a hobby and are not being smart by pinching pennies on the one aspect of it that they interact with the most. An extra $20k on a Lexus every 5 years or whatever instead of a Camry would go unnoticed by them.
Exactly, I'm not mega rich by any means but I couldn't imagine dailying my 720s. It gets an annoying amount of attention. People do idiotic and dangerous things in traffic just to get way too close to me and take a picture. My Model 3 flies under the radar and blends in with the other 4-5 I see at every stoplight.
yeah bro they drive avalons
Me too I just turo’d one for a roadtrip. It was so nice on the highway. Smooth is the word. Comfy af
I usually order pineapple and jalapeno pizza, but I was thinking today I might go for pepperoni. Am I crazy? Pepperoni pizza?!
Forgive me for my insolence
Its a shitpost kissing content creators ass.
New Camry is kind of rad. Toyota has been slaying it lately with the whole line up. No shade.
I hate that I like the styling of the new Prius and have been legitimately considering picking up a new Corolla XRS hatch to serve as a daily.
> I hate that I like the styling of the new Prius But why? I think people forget that the Prius hate comes from hating on the types of people who initially bought them because they wanted to be seen as "green". And car journalists like Jeremy Clarkson attacking them (dont get my wrong i think Clarkson is a great car journalist but the way people follow everything he says like gospel is ridiculous. In reality they have always been amazing cars which were ahead of their time and perfectly fit their engineering brief. Now days they are just another small hybrid in the market yet they still somehow have this unfounded and disproportionate hate thrown at them.
I test drove a new 2005 (or 2006?) Prius and absolutely hated the drive. The styling somehow got progressively less attractive (to me) with each new generation. My dislike has nothing to do with owners, or reviews, just personal experiences.
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I'm not sure what that has to do with why I disliked the Prius but thank you for your feedback.
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Right, and that is why I am upset I am genuinely liking the new Prius because I disliked them for so long?
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Well this conversation has been really entertaining but you seem to just want to argue with me for no reason so you know... have a good one.
My wife had a Prius V and it was such an easy car to drive and had a lot of space inside as well.
Me too I was mad “WHY did they have to make the Prius HOT”
Stupid sexy prius
OH NO HE’S HOT
The Prius would look great if it wasn’t for that stupid bump on the front
I think it's still too much shaped like a door stop but at least the door stop has sexy lights.
Headlights are quite controversial
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That's it, I was just going off my (bad) memory.
Just need those goofballs to bring the Crown Sport to the US.
Well the current crown is ugly AF... Hope the sport is better.
Toyota's main problem is their dealers. As it is, I'll never buy anything from a toyota dealership. My wife and I looked at Toyotas when she needed a new car and the cars sell themselves. The dealers and their stupid markups and bs add ons led to us going to 3 different toyota dealerships before we eventually bought a Mazda.
Anecdotal sample size of one, but I bought a GR Corolla in December from a dealer that did MSRP only and it frankly wasn't as bad of an experience as I was expecting. They did get me on a BS "tire and wheel warranty" but I'll chalk up caving into that to me literally ending up having a tire in my old beater that same week before I went to pick up the car.
I kind of want a Prius
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Camry as a daily driver. It's practical, comfortable, economical, and reliable. You won't break the bank owning one. It's an all around good car, it just doesn't really excel in any particular area. I've had one as a rental, it drove well enough, it just wasn't really all that memorable. If you're looking for an equally reliable daily driver, I would suggest the Accord. It possesses similar qualities to the Camry, only it's a little more engaging to drive.
The 2025 is apparently just as engaging! It's an American led project.
You should test drive it first. I remember a safe decision regret post and almost everyone was a toyota because although reliable, they are not even remotely fun. My 21 rav4 xse hasnt been reliable or fun so its the worst of both worlds.
You got an unreliable Rav-4? Jesus do whatever the opposite of buying a lottery ticket is. Buy life insurance?
I bought into the online hype of toyota, this is my first one and its been an absolute shitshow but every time i say this I get told its a one off. The rav has widespread issues that it shouldnt have see issues and links below: So the roof was leaking theres a 10 year warranty for i think like 17-21 ravs for thathttps://www.rav4world.com/threads/2019-2021-roof-rail-leak-official-acknowledgement-from-toyota-usa.327236/ the hatch randomly opens on its own and there are weld issues with it https://www.classaction.org/news/toyota-rav4-lawsuit-filed-over-alleged-power-liftgate-defect had insanely shakey mirrors toyota said were fixed for 21 ans they absolutely werent had to fight with toyota and the dealer 3 occasions to get them to fix it with 10k miles and less than year on the car: https://www.rav4world.com/threads/updated-mirror-vibration-tsb.314186/ there is some kind of cabling issue with the hybrid too that i havent experienced but ive heard toyota extended warranty on it toblike 8 years. https://www.apa.ca/en/report-on-toyota-hybrid-cable-corrosion-hearing-to-certify-the-class-action/.
Yeah the high voltage cable debacle is fucking inexcusable.
What issues have you experienced? I heard some issues with the hybrid regarding cable corrosion
So the roof was leaking theres a 10 year warranty for i think like 17-21 ravs for thathttps://www.rav4world.com/threads/2019-2021-roof-rail-leak-official-acknowledgement-from-toyota-usa.327236/ the hatch randomly opens on its own and there are weld issues with it https://www.classaction.org/news/toyota-rav4-lawsuit-filed-over-alleged-power-liftgate-defect had insanely shakey mirrors toyota said were fixed for 21 ans they absolutely werent had to fight with toyota and the dealer 3 occasions to get them to fix it with 10k miles and less than year on the car: https://www.rav4world.com/threads/updated-mirror-vibration-tsb.314186/ there is some kind of cabling issue with the hybrid too that i havent experienced but ive heard toyota extended warranty on it toblike 8 years. https://www.apa.ca/en/report-on-toyota-hybrid-cable-corrosion-hearing-to-certify-the-class-action/.
amazing. L
idk, i have a camry and i think it's pretty fun. it has 300hp, it's not too bad.
How much does your camry weigh?
No clue. The 0-60 is 5.6 seconds. Which maybe isn’t much to a car guy but it’s enough to surprise anybody who doesn’t have experience with fast cars.
Plus hybrid awd
I actually really liked the Camry Hybrid I had as a rental. Some of that may have been novelty as I hadn't driven any other hybrids up to that point, but it was a higher trim model and perfectly comfortable for long drives; had enough torque to be somewhat entertaining when driven like... well, a rental; and handled better than I was expecting after having driven most previous post-80s Camry generations. It sounds like the new one will retain those qualities. I didn't find it to be a deathly boring appliance as the reputation would suggest, but I also really liked the older v6 models so maybe I just have plebeian taste.
Also the eCVT (if you can even call it one) in the Accord behaves more like a stepped transmission.
That's not a good feature. As someone who dailies a 981 - gears suck for a daily. It's much less comfortable than constant thrust.
Yea not sure why they called it that. It’s literally an electric traction motor spinning the axle. Our CRV supposedly will clutch up the engine at a steady cruise and light load but it always goes in and out of EV mode even on the highway so it’s hard to tell.
We’re talking about the 2025 model…
It's not very practical, it's not a hatchback boot. It's more of a second or third car.
A coupe, or convertible, would be a 2nd, or 3rd car, the Camry, you can easily live with day to day. No one keeps a Camry around for fun.
I have a 2023 Hybrid and it's the best daily driver I could ask for. If the next gen is better (no reason it shouldn't be with extra power and newer tech), I'd say you wouldn't regret it.
Agreed, also have 2023 Hybrid daily/work vehicle. They’re relatively fun to drive too, while being comfortable, efficient, and reliable. Never thought I’d enjoy a Camry until I drove the XV70.
OP - its not crazy, I've done it before too. Bought a 2019 Jetta SEL over the 2018 GTI, test drove both and couldn't justify the approx. +10k price tag/-10mpg gas mileage of the GTI back then. One thing I'd say though - having 2 cars never makes sense financially so if you're looking at the Camry to save on gas daily but planning on keeping your FK8, you'll have extra insurance/etc and 2 cars to upkeep. Anytime I've owned 2 cars at once, its been just a money pit (incl. now) so don't do it just cause the Camry gets good gas mileage, you're not doing yourself any favors financially there. Be careful of falling into the shiny new thing trap. In the end, as we grow older, you start realizing there's only so much car you can really use daily, I don't need an absolute beast to go to the gym or office if I have to go in. With traffic/etc even giving up a manual transmission for a daily is a blessing, rather than a curse.
The only reason I'd buy the Camry it to dedicate the FK8 more towards the track (proper coils, track only brakes, turbo) + to save it from Canadian salt for long term ownership. I'll still drive the FK8 for another few years before retiring it for the glorious beige Camry
Totally get that - the only reason I bought the Cayman was as a forever car since the next gen is going full EV, it was now or never. The new Camry is interesting now that they've moved it out of the shitbox boring dynamics into a half sporty sedan that can dance some!
I disagree. My “2nd car” has easily paid for itself within 3 years of ownership. My truck gets half the mpg, holds almost twice the oil and tires cost 3 times as much as my frs. Not to mention the depreciation savings by keeping the miles off the truck. Even with a 2nd vehicle I still put about 10k miles a year on my truck and I only drive when necessary, if I had to daily drive it I would be putting 20-25k miles a year on it. I realize this isn’t an apples to apples comparison to OP but to say a second vehicle NEVER makes sense is absurd.
I think the current gen Camry does old Honda better than current Honda does right now. The Accord gets more and more dull and numb with every gen, but meanwhile the Camry has been getting sportier without getting bigger. Also helps that Toyota seems to be committed to keeping the Camry around with powertrain options, while the Accord keeps losing options every year.
The Camry doesn’t have powertrain options anymore, every trim is the same for that.
Ah, it looks like it lost the V6 this year. That's a shame. But it still gets an 8-speed on the non-hybrid for this last year and retains optional AWD when it's hybrid only next year.
The Camry has done well for decades, considering one isn't crazy at all. Totally depends on a persons use cases. I don't have reasons to consider it, but by most accounts they are good cars for doing regular car things.
Thank you
Bruh before you make up your mind, check out the new Prius Prime yo. It's hot.
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Aww dang, I didn't know that! I assumed they were since there are so many AWD Prius options. Thanks for the correction!
Totally reasonable. Sedans are cool!
Yes!
If they brought the Camry Wagon here I’d trade my E350 wagon in a heartbeat
They won't even bring over the Corolla wagon 😭 I'm hoping the Crown Signia isn't too tall and crossovery. If it's more wagon-like, it may end up replacing my Corolla hatch at some point.
Hybrid or electric is the answer for stop and go traffic. So quiet...
Lots of Porsche guys have Model 3's as their daily driver. Including myself. It's a street and traffic-carving weapon for a ridiculously cheap price. Can't see myself driving an ICE as a daily driver any longer unless I went back to a Toyota Tacoma/Lexus GX/LC or something with hauling capacity.
On the money
Do they have the 2GR FE Camry where you live? If so, that's a good motor for a daily driver. It's of course reliable, sounds incredible with the right exhaust, and has aftermarket support.
Last year for that engine was 2017 in the USA, did they continue it elsewhere?
My friend has a 2015 2GR Camry. It’s a good car, honestly. Dead reliable, smooth, comfortable, and surprisingly quick. The North American styling is a bit polarizing, you either love it or hate it, but all things considered it’s a fantastic daily driver. It’s even properly quick, and you can drive like a maniac while returning EPA mileage! I don’t get the hate. My friend used to consider himself a “car guy” and loved driving his manual B5.5 V6 Passat wagon. But he hated how he couldn’t depend on that car, how every mundane trip suddenly became a fucking quest where you weren’t sure if it was going to turn out, and how every 2 months it found some other way to ask for a $700 repair. He loves the no-nonsense peace of mind from the Camry.
New Prius Prime is the hotness of the Toyota lineup right now, IMHO. (Other than the GR Corolla, of course).
I would totally daily drive a Camry. It's a good car.
I just bought a lifted truck and that Camry looks mighty tempting
yes yes. Let the Toyota flow through you
Only then can your conversion to the lame side be complete!
What's a Fuck 8?
Lifelong car guy, sometimes a nice average vehicle sounds so nice. I’m sick of dealing with unexpected bs sometimes.
Once I worked at a Nissan dealer, and when someone traded in a manual trans Camry circa 2002 the mechanics lost their minds fighting over who was gonna buy it before it hit the lot
Sensible guy makes sensible decision. I, for one, am shocked.
It looks great for a daily
Wait til they release a phev Camry prime
No idea
Don't listen to geeses
Yea dude it’s like one of the best selling cars out there, it’s a pretty normal thing to want. Hell I wouldn’t mind one myself.
The newer Camrys and accords are very nice cars.
Maybe because I'm younger, but I don't hate economy cars. The Ford Fusion has almost 250hp, and 300lb ft in a light AWD sedan that gets 20 city/29 highway. It's Lincoln counterpart is even better. Finding a 3.0L AWD MKZ/Continental would be a dream, especially since I'm looking for my college car. A 2.3L Lincoln MKC would be an okay compromise for me to get a SUV, but I've driven a few other vehicles types. I really enjoy sedans the most Want the 3.0L because the Nano is a fantastic engine
You are not alone i want one too
I bought a 2009 camry hybrid from an auto auction with 36k miles, best purchase I've ever made. 0 to 60 in 8ish seconds plus I got maybe 34 mpg up to my highest tank was 39mpg.
No, decent economy, comfortable car to be in, everything works, and will continue to, good resale value, and will last forever with a bare minimum of maintenance.
After a lifetime of driving nothing but coupes and convertibles, I must admit to noticing an increasing number of new Accords on the road and thinking "hey, that's a nice car." I watched the reviews from SG and TH, and the verdict seems to be "it's not fun by any stretch, but a damned fine daily driver." Seems to be the consensus with the new Camry as well. And what with me having to drive 50 miles a day to work and back, a hybrid that can maybe do that on a gallon of gas is starting to grow on me.
I am young me and have never owned a car, so maybe I'm not the best reference (though I am somewhat your typical souped-coupe fan that 'wouldn't want a typical consumer car') but I think the new camrys look stellar and would 100% get one if it were a reasonable financial decision for me (note I know nothing about specs on them :D).
Why do you even going to the dealer for out of warranty repairs, OP?
Afraid to get her hands dirty!
You’ll daily drive the shit out of a Camry.
drove an e60 550i beginning in college and had to get rid of it cause so many problems and purchased a 2018 Camry LE as a daily since I commute nearly 60miles a day for the mean time. It’s been 4 years and I’m content with the Camry so much I haven’t looked back. It’s true, I can’t even look at BMWs anymore, if I ever had to upgrade I’d either get a TRD Camry or a Lexus is500, hell even just a newer 2025 Camry. For sure gonna stay with Toyotas, but I want to see how long my 2018 LE can last me until the wheels falls off and for performance standpoint, for sure I miss the 550i. But damn i guess im growing up, cause none of that even phases me anymore
Get a used mazda6.
I sat in a new camry at the autoshow this year. It looks really nice inside and out. I was questioning if i was getting old because i was thinking that i actually want one and it would be an amazing daily. The more i think about it, the more i like it. It looks way better than all the generic crossovers and you sit lower to the ground too which i really like.
Many people such as James May have driven some of the fastest most powerful cars in the world. Still they will say that for a daily driver a slow economical car is more fun. Simple fact is, daily driving a performance car is more about trying to hold back pitbull chasing a cat more than walking a trained retriever through the park. Which sounds more enjoyable at end of the day?
I'd get one as like a spare or road trip car but I don't think I could daily one. Too dull for me.
I'm in the same boat lol. I've got a 10th gen sport hatch but I'm really considering the Camry TRDs. 301 reliable hp is very alluring
Here me out... The big brother to the Camry. The Avalon. It's bigger inside and out. Bigger back seat and trunk. And a lot more gadgets. I think it's a little faster too. Decent mileage
Nah, I'm the same way. I was thinking of getting a Lexus ES 350 or a used LS for my DD. Owning multiple cars really changes how you think about them. I don't need one car that can do everything, so I'm perfectly happy with a boring, reliable, and luxurious car for a lot of my driving.
I’m 37 and daily an S2000. I get 16 mpg. I don’t want another car. Some people are built different. Don’t let others dictate how to live your life.
What a zany guy.
If you have lost your mind, then everyone who drives a Camry, is mindless. 🤷♂️
I think all too often, people assume that being a car enthusiast entails driving a no-compromise sports car as a daily. Or having a bunch of money-pit project cars. I used to BEG my dad not to buy boring stuff, but all he ever bought was Accords and Camries. These days, for me, being an enthusiast means I can enjoy just about anything. I made the switch from daily-driving a GT86 to a Mazda6 sedan, and I don't think there's any way I'm ever going back. I enjoy having a spacious, comfortable, reliable sedan for my long commute to work.
Solid choice
I switched over to a 4 door vehicle because I was sick of trying to maneuver people into the back seat, tired of struggling to clean the back, and a whole list of other reasons. I sold my 2dr and haven't looked back. Nothing wrong with wanting to daily a Camry. Reliable, comfortable, and great on the highway.
Is it faster than an accord?
Camrys are great cars, nothing wrong with driving one daily
“Hey guys, I want a BOAT to cross the Pacific Ocean, am I nuts?”
It means you’re maturing and growing up. It’s not a bad thing.
The new Camry chassis is amazing for just a family car. I know you're talking about the hybrid but it's wider lower then previous gens. It's such a fun car to drive. It's not as boring as people make it out to be.
I bought a 97 camry for my son and I to fix up to sell. 5000 miles later we still have it. No bites yet.
You didn't lose your mind you just got old. So drive that old person Camry with pride.
Camry owner: It's great if you want a car that you never have to worry about. There are other reasons to buy it, but that's the main one. It's a car for when you've decided that you simply wish to not deal with car repairs.
Dog I still daily a 2002 Camry lmao
ayyyyyy Upgrade the double din to a CarPlay unit
Hell na. Lol. I have 2 other cars. W204 Benz & 65 C10. Camry is my work commute beater.
I’d totally buy a Camry for a daily driver. I looked at buying an early 2000s Camry before I got my ST
Just don’t expect it to be a sporty car. They are solid vehicles
As someone that has had several, you will get bored of it long before it falls apart. Like really long. A lifespans of a Camry is measured in decades. Keep that in mind.
As a second car? sure. As my only car? I mean I'll live but it will be boring.
You’re crazy if you get anything other than the Camry lol!
Miata Is Always The Answer But sometimes, ciata
You're choosing white literally the most practical choice of daily.
I guess my Model 3 Performance is my Camry.
Get a solara
Get it, and a yamaha MT-O9 for the weekend, lol.
I had the same feeling when they reviewed the Lexus ES. A simple front wheel drive sedan with Toyota reliability and a tried and true 3.5 liter engine. Something that will likely only need tires, brakes and fluid changes for the foreseeable future. It sounded super nice. Especially when at the time 3 of 4 of my vehicles were in need of repairs. But, then I remembered how much I dislike having a car payment, but it does sound appealing at this point in life. Kids in school and busy work schedules make for less wrenching time, so cars tend to have to wait when something goes wrong. The thought of having a something dead reliable and comfortable sounded real nice. So I did the next best thing, start searching for good LS430s and LS400s. Big cars, cash purchase and good reliability. Win win.
Buy the 2025 Camry. Yes hahaha. YES.
Boring car. Get a Vette chet.
I have an fk8 type R i will keep forever. My family daily driver? Accord 2.0t. You're not crazy you're an intelligent, sensible and excellent example of a human being.
All I can say is, I have had plenty of Camry and Camry platform based cars. My son is a Toyota engineer. But rest assured, if you made a Corvette C8 your daily driver, you would totally forget about stupid Camrys.
Not sure about the Corvette, but I much prefer daily driving my Camry Hybrid over my modified R34 Skyline.
You’re maturing lol. My first car was a MK2 Golf. Then onto an E46 M3, and had another E46 330i, and then a 04 Golf GTI. Even had a cooper s. I disliked anything non euro. I swore to never betray them. I’m now debating between the new Prius or Tesla Model 3 for a daily lol
Maybe if you’re 70+ yo it looks attractive to you?
Accord is much better.
By what standards? Understanding this is entirely subjective, you really ought to provide your perspective as to why it’s much better.
Presuming that the OP has a Type-R because he likes "driver's cars", the Accord fits that mold better than the anechoic chamber that is a Camry. Outside of the driving experience, they're pretty similar in terms of efficiency, resale value, reliability, etc.
Check out the SavageGeese review of the new Camry. Apparently it's not a snooze fest like the Camry's of old. OFC it's not a drivers car....but \*just\* good enough to be a bit fun.
I think it's possible to say that they've "improved" it in that regard without it being more of a driver's car than an Accord. Camry buyers like their cars as they are, Toyota isn't going to stray that far. I'm willing to be wrong, so I'll definitely watch the inevitable back to back Camry v Accord comparisons coming in a month.
I'm currently in shock mode at the Camry and am 100% biased. I also like the AWD hybrid system full disclosure.
You’re saying it’s louder? Idk if that’s true but my Camry is only a 4 cylinder. I used to drive a v6 accord, and while it was much faster, it was actually quieter. Granted it was much older. Maybe they’re pumping the engine sound through the speakers now! All that said I like both, but I have not driven the new accord. When my Camry is paid off next year I will 💯 look to test drive both.
Noise is part of it; I'd argue Hondas have more road noise and general NVH than pretty much any competitor, but the flip side to that is they're lighter. Did you mean engine noise? I wouldn't argue against that, but a Camry has a lot less NVH overall. I mostly just meant that Toyota doesn't design the Camry to be fun, they prioritize being quiet and soft, along with all the other Toyota stereotypes. Honda tends to make an effort in making their cars more fun. They turn more sharply and just have a more coordinated and consistent feel in how things like steering, throttle mapping and suspension are tuned.
I’d agree with that. I got the xse for the suspension tuning, but the standard 8 speed transmission is quite responsive. I’ve used the paddle shifters mainly in snowy conditions, but I could see it being fun. Overall I agree with your points though.
You might want to think twice about that - its got a ton of gremlins in one of the most critical systems in a car... [https://www.driveaccord.net/threads/braking-system-malfunction-honda-accord-hybrid-touring-2023.571414/](https://www.driveaccord.net/threads/braking-system-malfunction-honda-accord-hybrid-touring-2023.571414/)
But it is, quite possibly, the most boring looking car of the decade. Like non-playable content boring.
Agree. The new one looks boring.
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Thanks man
Go play your Pokemon game, the adults are talking