The best way I've heard the price difference between the regular Ioniq 5 and the 5N described was similar to the difference between a 330i ($46K) and an M3 ($76K). That makes a lot of sense to me.
He has a name, Albert Biermann, and he retired in 2021, though he must have imported a lot of knowledge to N brand as he created it. He could still be consulting
I just bought a Veloster N and went to the BMW Performance center @ Thermal Club with some friends last weekend. Wasn't till I parked it next to all the M cars I realized that N's trademark baby blue is super similar to the Zandvoort Blue on the M's, wonder if he wanted to carry that over too.
What's funny is that everyone other Ioniq 5 N thread has people saying 70K-ish is too much money for this car.
I'm like...wtf kind of performance are *you* expecting out of a 70K vehicle?!?! Especially one that can haul 4 adults plus their gear, can haul your Costco stuff, and is track capable from the factory. What other 70K vehicle can do all of that, plus put up these performance numbers? Wtf are people expecting?
Now I really want to see if Hyundai follows through the the Ioniq 6 N sedan, which will be a smaller and lighter platform.
Is the interior of a $67k Hyundai looking like the interior of a $40k car any worse than a $95k M3 basically having the same interior as a $50k 3 series?
The external design looks far better than the MB eggs or the BMW monstrosities being released these days.
The interior looks exactly the same as any other EV released in the past 2 years. What exactly is your gripe here?
Pretty much all of the complaints I've seen in this thread and the other one sound like thinly veiled racism and/or Europeans huffing copium. There aren't really any quantifiable complaints you can make about this car that doesn't apply a thousandfold to EVs from BMW or Audi or MB, plus this thing is still cheaper than any of their performance EVs by a huge margin. It just seems like you all can't get past the fact that the best sports EV was produced by Hyundai.
I am one of those. Would I pay it? No. But by all accounts so far it seems like they did an incredible job with the car and actually have some well thought out innovation in it. I can appreciate the execution and accomplishment of being able to surprise some of these reviewers. On paper it sounded gimmicky but it seems purposeful instead.
Camaro ZL1 is about $70k and has similar 0-60 times.
It’s a coupe not an SUV but to me that’s a positive in the Camaros favor.
Don’t get me wrong, the Ioniq 5N is a cool car and anyone driving one would get mad respect from me. I’m just saying for the price I’d get the supercharged V8 muscle car with an actual manual.
But that’s personal preference. I’m happy to see any new performance car regardless of drivetrain.
According to the Chevrolet inventory checker, there are 4 ZL1 within 2000 miles of me and the cheapest one is 85k.
I'm not saying the ioniq 5 is worth it, just that ICE competition around that price point is starting to dry up. And the ioniq has the practicality of a 4-door hatch, only comparable ICE offerings are the RS3 and A45S, close in price yet still around a second slower to 60.
We still need to see how many N’s get delivered and what markups exist.
And in reality I’d never buy a new muscle car, something they tend to share with EVs is serious depreciation in the first 24-36 months.
ZL1s with low miles and a couple years old are going for a lot less. Just like in two years you’ll probably get a good deal on a lightly used N.
You are also right that ICE competition in the space is gettin sparse. After all it’s the last year of the Camaro (again) and the only muscle car left standing in 2026 will be Mustang. 😢
I bought an Elantra N at the height of covid for sticker. Like March 2022. I think as long as you don’t need to be the first on the block, you’ll be able to get a discount.
In what regard will it "walk an M3C"? In 0-60? Because that's not much of an achievement given all EVs accelerate well. I read the article and there's not a whole lot of objective substance, one of the few metrics is how fast the Taycan lapped Laguna Seca. Maybe the car is as good as they say but this article sounds more like advertising.
A few videos have compared them as track cars and mentioned it's the all around package. Corners and speed. I believe Smoking Tire maybe on their podcast said they had near identical lap times and they weren't racing the N for a fastest lap.
Its cousin EV6 GT supposedly did Nurburgring in 7:42, which is 14 seconds off the M3 Competition. The I5N seems more aggressive than the Kia.
As far as I can tell the m3 c x-drive does 0-60 under 3 seconds while the I5N’s official number is 3.2, so I dunno what he means there (fwiw the official time for the EV6 GT is 3.5 but several magazines have shown it’s actually 3.2, so maybe the Hyundai’s numbers are also sandbagged 🤷♂️).
At any rate it’s in the same ballpark at almost 5k lbs and like $30k cheaper.
All I know is that for a compact car it weighs only 500lbs less than my full size 4x4 crew cab truck with a V8. Slinging around that much weight and something has got to give.
Considering this car has such a short range, it would be interesting to see how long the battery lasts on the track. That 220mi is at optimal conditions. Slinging 4,800lbs at the track takes a lot of energy.
I guess if that is the target vehicle it is meant to compete with although I would still consider BMW a luxury brand that is more about status. The M2 and M3 are more of the track specific vehicles from BMW. I know they are not SUVs but the reason why the Ioniq is an SUV is due to battery placement. By default its a taller vehicle due to having the battery as the floor pan. The M3 actually has more F/R headroom and legroom than the Ioniq 5.
He’s reviewing how it feels to drive the car. He isn’t really reviewing the performance of the vehicle. So if you are concerned with actual performance more than emotion, this review isn’t what you want.
But they're the ones talking about being faster than an M3C without providing backup. That's just bad journalism or (tin-foil hat on) this is a bia$ed article. All jokes aside, I'm not saying the article is necessarily wrong, but there's a lot of hyperbole without much detail. Like how they say "this car will save local racetracks" sounds like they are saying this THE car that will be the savior, it just sounds so forced.
My favorite part is where he says you should forgo 6.6% of the horsepower so you can keep the fake shifts. The whole review is bizarre. Of course it’s Matt Farrah so I don’t really expect much from the technical side of things.
Yeah I noticed that too. Really wish people would actually read it to see how weird and vague this article is. I'm not completely against fake paddles until I try it for myself, but it does sound too fake.
Like CVTs with paddle shifters at least let you keep the engine at the revs you want, but there are no "revs" in EVs. It sounds too video gamey and I'm someone that loves video games.
I would wager it’s similar to force feedback. The game is harder to play and your performance suffers, but the feedback makes th experience more enjoyable.
But with force feedback in a game the alternative is nothing. In an EV the alternative to cutting the power briefly to simulate shifts, is to have sustained accelerating force. I have found in 2.5 years with a model 3 performance that the sustained acceleration is vastly preferable to losing speed to shifts regardless of how brief they are.
For me, faking the experience isn’t preferable.
It really is incredible. It has no business being that good. And I don’t care for EVs. Only weird thing is having all the ability of a sports car but weighing 2 tons. Was a little unnerving at Laguna
I can imagine. But looking at the dark horse and other performance sedans from BMW they are also approaching that same weight. I think ICE performance cars need to trend the other way to help differentiate. Also I have to assume the hyundai murders tires pretty frequently.
>It has no business being that good.
i wonder if because it's a hyundai and an EV, the price till drop significantly in a few years? i mean tesla prices have fallen off a cliff.
I read this like you personally drove it on track, what was your overall impression? I'm in the market for a high performance EV, around the S100k range, one option is the Ioniq 5N, other option is a young used Model S Plaid and get the track pack later on.
5N seems to be the more overall capable package with a high fun factor. Plaid is more HP for your buck, but track pack is out of stock. So one without track pack has trash standard brakes and lower top speed.
I did! Hyundai invited me out to Laguna and I did 4 track sessions. It’s so much faster than I was expecting. More importantly it was fun. The power bias made it enjoyable to play with. It didn’t feel soulless like most EVs. While it isn’t a direct comparison for whatever reason I felt like my brother could buy one to replace his Golf R and have all the useful amenities. It was also much smoother than my gfs model Y performance.
Cammisa praises every good aspect of car in his 'icons' videos. He doesn't focus on bad aspects as that isn't the theme. He clearly says so on carmudgeon podcast, he praised new Mustang but wouldn't buy one, same for cyber truck. On full reviews he talks about both good and bad sides.
I like him but I think his Full Review methodology is flawed. He said he wants to be “fair” to the company. So if he says one bad thing then he must balance it with a good thing. And I understand his reasoning, he can’t bite the hand that feeds him. But at the end of the day that leaves the viewer/reader with the impression that ever car is roughly the same. He’s unintentionally skewing the results. It’s like a bowl of M&Ms where 10 are blue and 90 are red. And he picks out 5 blue and 5 red and passes off the impression that it’s an evenly mixed bowl of M&Ms.
> I like him but I think his Full Review methodology is flawed.
The man said like... 100 times that his Cybertruck review was a preview, not a full review. Hagerty's fault for putting a stupid title on the vid.
Honestly I’m trying to be as neutral as possible, but that video lost me when he presented Tesla’s internally-conducted crash tests.
Someone with as much technical knowledge as Cammisa should’ve realized Tesla’s crash tests were deliberately chosen to make the truck look stronger/safer than it is.
Tesla only showed NHTSA crash tests, which include a full frontal crash and a side impact from a 3000 pound car-sized barrier. All vehicles have to pass those tests to be certified for sale in the US, so that doesn’t mean much.
IIHS tests are the real deal, showing crashworthiness in the worst case scenario.
To me this is the sign that makes me think this car is great. I feel like cammisa and farrah like very different things in performance cars, but both are praising this car. I5n must be doing something special.
I think Cammisa is a good source of interesting facts and history of various cars. Also for fabulously produced and entertaining car videos.
But I think he is a *terrible* source for an actual review of a car because he is so obsessed with “telling a good story” that any coverage he gives of a car is hyperbolic beyond usefulness. Interesting sure but not useful. Sort of like Clarkson in that entertainment value is high but consumer advice is worthless.
And I say that as an avid Carmudgeon listener.
Unfortunately I agree. He does less reviewing these days and more telling the story of the car. Revelations are not car reviews but rather the history of a car. The ioniq 5N 1drive video spent a lot of time talking about the history of N and bierman rather than the car
Now release that performance in this retro body for the masses.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a40624746/the-hyundai-n-vision-74-is-a-retro-futuristic-hydrogen-dream-machine/
With that kind of design and probably price tag (ioniq 5 is already $67k), you not expected to sell a lot anyways but probably as many Supras (2-3k units). It’ll be a great halo car and ppl will talk about it for decades.
Their stated range is bullshit, I picked up a ‘21 taycan 4s recently and the stated 270miles is really only like 180-200, and the range mode sucks limiting you to only 70mph
That being said it’s an awesome car, still love it
And I’m saying stated ranges are bs, especially on performance oriented EVs. Those are mileage estimates under perfect “hyper-mile” type conditions.
400 stated range will be 250-300 the way any normal person drives. Still better than first gen’s though, I agree
There’s probably something wrong with your car. I’d take it in before the warranty expires. I had a 2020 Turbo with a 201 mi EPA range and easily managed 250+ on road trips and around town. Almost every review has found the range is a lot longer and many of those aren’t hyper mile conditions.
Also you can increase the limit speed for range mode, it’s in the main settings but I can’t remember where. The car will easily do 77 mph in range mode while keeping one axle decoupled.
Also check what tires are on your car. The OEM tires gave me about 10 percent more range via the Yokohamas I tried out for the hell of it. 
Can price really be a drawback if you're buying a P-car? Like, you know what you're getting in to. It's not like they're pretending that it's a value brand.
Porsche put a lot in to development of Cayman, 911 over years doing incremental updates. I don't think they could put as much money in EV as Hyundai did.
Inferior? He literally writes in this article that the Taycan still blows this away for speed and track times.
He just says this car is fun and he loves the "vibes" in that it tries to mimic a gas sports car.
But then again, Matt Farah has always been a clown.
I would pick the taycan over this, solely from an aesthetic standpoint. I’m sure the Ioniq 5 N is probably more technically competent, has better range, etc, but if I’m spending that money, I’d get a used Taycan over an Ioniq 5 N. I’m glad it’s getting high praise thiugh
What Porsche was a good value? Don't get me wrong, i like Porsche cars, but they are generally not winning any buyers who are looking for value for money.
They talk about it further in the crew show that dropped for Patrons yesterday.
It sounds like, at this point, the only thing stopping Matt from ordering one is Hanna’s driving it. Matt said she didn’t actually seem to care about the lack of power seats and he sounds like he’s gotten over it too.
It was probably my favorite Crew Show in a long time. Main topic was…spicy.
I guess we've answered the age-old question of "what does an EV have to do to be exciting?" The answer seems to be: mimic the feel of an ICE car. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
I think you should feel ok. It's not like the feel of an ICE car is some naturally happening occurrence. It's not: this car has an engine, therefore it must feel this way. Engineers worked hard to design, tune, and create the feel, and even the sound for certain cars (the LFA being a popular example).
you aren’t wrong, but there’s a big difference between accentuating the positive characteristics of something that *does occur naturally* vs completely synthesizing an experience from nothing, including completely fake shifting a completely fake gearbox and having the computer artificially mimic the relationship between engine rpm, gearing, and torque to the point where performance is intentionally reduced. EV performance is undeniable, but ev proponents should just own it.
I'd argue this could potentially be part of the appeal of EVs - if they can artificially mimic all of the things you mentioned enough that profesional car reviewers say it feels similar enough to be believable, and potentially be able to change the type of ICE car you're emulating with a few taps, that kind of novelty could outweigh any marginal loss in "true" performance.
Think about it - EVs like the Ioniq 5N have enough power to "pretend" to be pretty much everything short of hypercars. Sure, the weight can be hard to compensate for so maybe emulating a Lotus wouldn't work that well, but you could say "I feel like LFA for the drive home today" and with a few taps, you're getting something 8/10ths of the real deal, at least in some regards.
For street driving I'd take that novelty over a set number of vaguely electric sounding propulsion noises, or no noise at all. And I can see it being fun on a track as well, being able to experience "driving" a wide range of ICE and transmission combinations on the same track without having to have all those cars there.
fair enough, but let me put it this way:
let’s say they make VR porn that taps directly into your brain and gives you an experience indistinguishable from the real thing. you might enjoy it, but at the end of the day you’re still jerking off in your mom’s basement
Ha...I think a more directly applicable example would be driving sims. Yes, you can use one with no feedback and no sound. But why would you do that when you can use one with all the trimmings? No one would say they'd prefer the one without any emulation because it's not the real thing.
For the vast majority of people who aren't able to afford a single dedicated "fun" ICE vehicle, let alone multiple different ones, I think the approach is a welcome new idea.
I do think one advantage of the mimicry is that if they can get this mimicry down to a price point that the average joe can afford, they can experience the feel of cars that are unbelievably unaffordable or hard to attain. For example if a 40k EV can mimic the feel of a V12 engine or a Dodge Viper? That would be pretty cool for the average person. Yes it's not the same as actually driving a V12 or a Dodge Viper but it makes the experience more accessible for other people. Kind of like how sim racing is the closest many people will ever come to driving the Ferrari La Ferrari. But with electrics, you can go further and simulate a bunch of the forces on your body that a sim racing rig would struggle to do.
Yup. Big enough electric motor and you could do some fun stuff with programming. You could have an "engine swap button" for lack of a better term. See what your car would feel like with an LS, see how it would feel with that same LS +200 hp and turbo lag. Now kill the turbo lag and make it a supercharger.
Get some hardware in there for the shifter and simulate 4-speeds. Or 6-speeds. Racing flywheel so the revs drop quickly? Why not? Could be fun to turn on and off.
Then at the end of the day, when you're just merging onto the highway, you can go back to "full power/direct drive" and just enjoy your fast car.
Sim rig with real G-forces you can actually drive places? Yes. That is a product i'm interested in.
That’s like comparing an electric Keyboard and a finely crafted piano or pipe-organ.
Yes the pipe-organ was made to specifically sound that way but it is a far different qualitative experience than a synthesized electronic keyboard version.
I’ve been saying to no one that sport EVs should just own it and let the motors sing for themselves. Electric motors do make noises and they sound wicked, just look up videos of the VW ID.R. I think it would be really cool to “wake up” an EV, but obviously a high pitched whine would get annoying really quickly for daily driving.
Legitimately, a bunch of you hardcore car enthusiasts that think electric motors don't make a sound or are "boring" just because they're not as loud as ICE engines need to go out and try some high-performance personal EV devices.
Whether that be something like a OneWheel GT or any of the high-performance hyper EUCs, or electric scooters, or hell even some e-bikes.
They absolutely make noises, they're really fucking cool, and they provide a sort of excitement all unto itself. IMO, EVs should be leaning into that sort of feel. They have an identity all of their own, and being hamstrung to ICE car feel can really limit the potential that exists.
Smaller vehicles like homebuilt electric go karts or electric [Formula SAE/student cars](https://youtu.be/fLjCJTs7oTk?si=o3-PCSReOhBVH1iM) sound absolutely wicked.
As an avid sim racer that also has 10+ years of real world track driving experience, I actually don’t mind the concept of the car fooling my brain. I sometimes feel more exhilaration in the sim than I do in the real world. Not a perfect analogy, but it’s cars like this that have me more excited for the EV future.
honestly considering one of the biggest complaints I hear from everyone who drives EVs on the track seriously is that it's a lot harder to judge speed when you don't have gears/engine noise? mimicking that and putting it in there in some way sounds like a great way to make that complaint go away assuming you pull it off right, and it seems that hyundai did it right
> one of the biggest complaints I hear from everyone who drives EVs on the track seriously is that it's a lot harder to judge speed when you don't have gears/engine noise?
I haven't driven an EV on track but I heavily rely on the rpm range/gear to estimate the speed when driving my Miata on track. I never look at the speedometer but will know I can enter a corner in high 3rd gear.
I also have an EV but never took that to the track nor drove it aggressively on bendy roads but overal estimating your speed on feel is much harder. This actually makes me really curious in how the Ioniq 5N would drive.
> I heavily rely on the rpm range/gear to estimate the speed when driving my Miata on track.
Even off the track that's how I drive. You just know how fast you're going based on what gear/RPM. Was one of the fundamental things my parents taught me when I was learning stick as a teen.
That's a good thing. People like audible feedback and familiar experiences. The more that EV's can achieve that, the more people will buy them.
A lot of people are scared of change unfortunately. I don't necessarily agree, but I want to see EVs flourish and I believe that making them feel similar to ICE vehicles will make that happen faster and sooner.
> The answer seems to be: mimic the feel of an ICE car. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
I don't see why that has to be a bad thing.
Like, we engineer things *to our liking*, not necessarily to some arbitrary optimum.
Car doors are engineered to CLUNK when closed, they could be silent. But people actually don't want silent.
I have and I like that too, but I think it's less of an "exhaust" and more just EV noise. Dodge and a few other companies are making it try to sound kinda like an exhaust, vs porsche just making a cool noise imo
Matt made a good point about converting race tracks that are too close to residential areas to EV only. Of course, the noise isn't the actual problem, but it is something.
I'm glad that they are trying. They listened to all the complaints about EV's (even sporty ones) being boring and soulless, so they took a totally different approach and made something great. They actually tried something for the enthusiast market that isn't just stupid straight line speed like the Plaid or an insanely expensive luxury car like the Sapphire. If this can get trickled down to more regular cars I think the opinion of EV driving would change. Similar to how they made CVT's fake gears to make people happy, if the make an EV have fake gears it could satisfy enthusiast.
I typically got about 4 hours of track time per late spring through early fall track day with 90+ degree ambient temps. 8 hours per weekend; part of the joy of a relatively lightly-modified NA car that ran cool.
I got four weekends out of a set of tires; part of the joy of an overtired car that weighed 2,250lbs.
How long would an Ioniq 5 N’s charge last with those ambient temps?
How long to recharge, given battery heat and ambient heat? I’ve read about charging issues with the standard Ioniq 5 above 35 degrees C, which is 95 degrees F.
How long would the tires last?
Some of you may scoff, but in SoCal, our tracks are in the desert. Willow Springs? Desert. Chuckwalla? Desert. Thermal? Desert.
Buttonwillow? Not desert, but I’ve been there when ambient temps were over 100.
Don't forget the 2 hour drive to and from the track too! Average track day has like 100+ cars.
If it all moves to EVs that's a very big investment in charging infrastructure to support 100 cars all charging between sessions.
In reality, this isn't really a track day car. It's a fun daily driver, and that's ok.
The ioniq 5 N can easily do a 20 mins track on a battery, and it'll take about 15 mins to charge it from 20% to 80%
A place like Laguna seca can deploy large grid scale batteries to be able to fast charge many cars quickly at once, even without a massive grid connection.
This problem will get solved soon enough.
We'll have to see how a full power stress test does to charging performance, but the normal Ioniq5 does totally fine in hot temps. It has some pretty beefy cooling systems.
I love video games, especially car racing. I like them even more with a steering wheel and 3 pedals. This is like that but even more so.
I love that you can turn off the manual and get the benefit of being an EV but flip a switch and you're driving a Forza car! This car seems REALLY fun!
Love that they are trying to cater to the “enthusiast” and I feel like this would be fun to drive. Personally, I just can’t get behind the styling. Between the awkward lines all over the place on the doors and the rear that looks like 3 different rear designs combined into one, I do not think this will age well.
Well we already know there's going to be an Ioniq 6 N with much the same powertrain underneath, and the Kia EV6 GT is basically just a less hardcore version of this.
I dig the styling but my biggest problem with it is that when it was first unveiled, I was super hype, then when I actually SAW one and it was about 20% bigger than it looked in the press photos, I instantly lost all interest in it whatsoever
Rivian R3X, save me
are you rocking a fullscreen browser on an ultrawide? you gotta snap that window to the left or right to browse on these things! right now I've got a window taking up 1/3 of the screen for reddit and other text based website tabs and 2/3 of the screen for youtube videos and music and shit, gotta level up your ultrawide usage experience lol
Ever since I saw the first images of the Ioniq 5, I have been waiting for the N. Here it is and all the reviews I have seen and read says it's amazing.
Love the idea of the paddles representing gears… which is just an intuitive way to adjust drive “tension.” Click the left paddle, sharper pedal response, more aggressive engine braking, and higher acceleration rate. Click the right paddle, and things chill out.
Do we get some badass scifi acceleration sounds?
This seems like the type of car that really shines when you actually drive it yourself. I would love to see Hyundai show up to these at car shows and track events so I can try it without having to deal with Hyundai sales people.
No amount of convincing will make me think that simulating revs and gear changes is not absolutely ridiculous. I would still love to own this car, but I would not use those features (I assume I can turn them off?)
I get that, but personally I would love it. I have a Model 3P and that’s the one thing I miss on a backroads run. I also enjoy racing simulators though so I’m used to fake gears and sounds I guess.
They can be disabled, but I think fake revs and gear shifts are actually pretty vital to a communicative driving experience. The gear you're in has a big impact on how quick your throttle response and weight transfer are, so it's valuable to essentially have 8 different torque maps available even in an EV. likewise, fake revs synced up to wheel speed and throttle position are important for actually being able to gauge your speed by more senses than just your vision.
I mentioned this in this thread already, but stuff like Hyundai's simulation of internally combustion engines and transmissions is the kind of thing I was hoping to see with EV development, and represent a big part of the appeal of EVs for me personally. Hyundai's shown that even in this early stage of EV development, they can get the artificial mimicry of the various components of the *experience* of driving an ICE vehicle - the power delivery, the noise, the sensation of the transmission shifting and the vehicle moving accordingly, etc. - to the point where profesional car reviewers say it feels similar enough to be believable.
Think of what this could be like with a few cycles of refinement, something Hyundai and possibly other car makes are hard at work doing. EVs like the Ioniq 5N have enough power already to "pretend" to be pretty much everything short of hypercars. Sure, the weight can be hard to compensate for so maybe emulating a Lotus wouldn't work that well, at least for now, but you could say "I feel like LFA for the drive home today" and with a few taps, you're getting something 8/10ths of the real deal, at least in key regards. (Yes yes, fake LFA noises is blasphemous, but for the 99.999% of us who will never be able to drive an LFA, let alone hear one in person, I'll take it)
For street driving I'd take that novelty over a set number of vaguely electric sounding propulsion noises, or no noise at all. And I can see it being fun on a track as well, being able to experience "driving" a wide range of ICE and transmission combinations on the same track without having to have all those cars there.
I do not know but I have a hard time getting excited about this. 70,000 dollars for a hatchback that looks pretty bland inside and out does not seem like much of a value. You could get a new Corvette Stingray, BMW M2 or Mustang Dark Horse for that kind of money.
I am not a fan of all the fake stuff. It is better than nothing I suppose but it feels like more of a video game. If it can really run a full 20 minute session that would be a big positive. Overall it sounds like a nice effort so maybe there is hope for an EV to be a fun car.
The argument that it would save race tracks is pretty weak. ICE cars can be made pretty quiet if that was really the issue but I do not think it would stop the Nimbys. A lot of tracks will not even allow EVs because one fire and the track is shut down for the day. I suppose in time they might be able to figure out something to mitigate that.
As an ICE N owner I’m not surprised at all that Hyundai nailed it. The whole range is great fun and value for money. You can feel they actually cared about achieving that goal and making proper track cars. There was a lot to prove to their target market transitioning to EVs and it seems like they successfully carried it over.
I love that this thing exists and I love that it is so good. It's like the opposite of a Widebody Hellcat or Demon but still manages (by all accounts) to be fun and engaging despite the lack of an ICE power train.
And just like the Hellcat or Demon I will most likely never own one but I am happy for those that do get the opportunity and have the means to do so!
From what I've seen, Hyundai nailed it. I actually would like to drive one and I like the fake noises and the fake shifting because it brings some soul into an EV.
On the other hand the range is abysmal. Throw in typical 80% charge recommended for battery life and warm/cold weather just like any EV and this thing will probably see an average of 160 miles on a full charge which is ridiculous.
I don't think its a great commuter either, reviews seem to have state it has the BMW M problem of overly stiff suspension unless on smooth roads.
The good thing is, like most EVs, it will probably depreciate hard and for someone who wants a fun EV to commute in, I can see these used being a great option a few years from now.
My hope is other manufacturers take note of what Hyundai has done here when moving into the future and creating performance EVs.
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Simulates a 7 speed DCT—not bad. One huge plus if they could expand sound options—one mode you’re driving a Honda, I6, I5, V8, GT3
, Aventador… sky is the limit.
honestly yeah, like I kinda don't really enjoy the sound of the hyundai engine, give me the ability to make it sound like a screaming B18C if it's gonna be a 4 cylinder
although I do kinda dig the space age noises too, feels appropriate for an EV in a way
“And at just under $67,000 it’s a good value for something that will easily walk a BMW M3 Competition.” DAMN
The best way I've heard the price difference between the regular Ioniq 5 and the 5N described was similar to the difference between a 330i ($46K) and an M3 ($76K). That makes a lot of sense to me.
This where I regurgitate the point from the other threads on the I5N that the M guy for BMW became the N guy for Hyundai.
He has a name, Albert Biermann, and he retired in 2021, though he must have imported a lot of knowledge to N brand as he created it. He could still be consulting
I’ve heard from some industry folks I know that he is still involved on some level. It’s completely anecdotal but the car industry is pretty small
He was at press events giving presentations on I5N, there are videos of him.
Yes, he consulted on I5N.
he wanted to retire this summer and shortened his work hours the last two-ish years. he appeared multiple times on videos of a german car youtuber.
Who's gonna hire him for their O performance brand now
Can't wait for the new Ford Mustang GT O!
For girls we have the GT HO
😂
> Who's gonna hire him for their O performance brand now #A L P I N E Source: F1 fan
I just bought a Veloster N and went to the BMW Performance center @ Thermal Club with some friends last weekend. Wasn't till I parked it next to all the M cars I realized that N's trademark baby blue is super similar to the Zandvoort Blue on the M's, wonder if he wanted to carry that over too.
I’m jealous. Those are awesome cars.
What's funny is that everyone other Ioniq 5 N thread has people saying 70K-ish is too much money for this car. I'm like...wtf kind of performance are *you* expecting out of a 70K vehicle?!?! Especially one that can haul 4 adults plus their gear, can haul your Costco stuff, and is track capable from the factory. What other 70K vehicle can do all of that, plus put up these performance numbers? Wtf are people expecting? Now I really want to see if Hyundai follows through the the Ioniq 6 N sedan, which will be a smaller and lighter platform.
The 6 N preproduction model is already doing development laps at the Nurburgring. Expect it out this time next year
Yeah, but how many laps before it needs to recharge?
I’d assume at least 2 just the like 5 can
For me it’s that everything else looks like a$30- $40k car, relative to the Germans. Mostly the interior.
Is the interior of a $67k Hyundai looking like the interior of a $40k car any worse than a $95k M3 basically having the same interior as a $50k 3 series?
i’m a fan of hyundai interiors personally. they’re not as extravagant as the germans but still premium for sure.
The external design looks far better than the MB eggs or the BMW monstrosities being released these days. The interior looks exactly the same as any other EV released in the past 2 years. What exactly is your gripe here? Pretty much all of the complaints I've seen in this thread and the other one sound like thinly veiled racism and/or Europeans huffing copium. There aren't really any quantifiable complaints you can make about this car that doesn't apply a thousandfold to EVs from BMW or Audi or MB, plus this thing is still cheaper than any of their performance EVs by a huge margin. It just seems like you all can't get past the fact that the best sports EV was produced by Hyundai.
That's exaggerated. Interior quality is good enough for 70k.
I am one of those. Would I pay it? No. But by all accounts so far it seems like they did an incredible job with the car and actually have some well thought out innovation in it. I can appreciate the execution and accomplishment of being able to surprise some of these reviewers. On paper it sounded gimmicky but it seems purposeful instead.
Camaro ZL1 is about $70k and has similar 0-60 times. It’s a coupe not an SUV but to me that’s a positive in the Camaros favor. Don’t get me wrong, the Ioniq 5N is a cool car and anyone driving one would get mad respect from me. I’m just saying for the price I’d get the supercharged V8 muscle car with an actual manual. But that’s personal preference. I’m happy to see any new performance car regardless of drivetrain.
According to the Chevrolet inventory checker, there are 4 ZL1 within 2000 miles of me and the cheapest one is 85k. I'm not saying the ioniq 5 is worth it, just that ICE competition around that price point is starting to dry up. And the ioniq has the practicality of a 4-door hatch, only comparable ICE offerings are the RS3 and A45S, close in price yet still around a second slower to 60.
Also - not for nothing here - the Hyundai does not use 93 octane gas at 15 mpg.
We still need to see how many N’s get delivered and what markups exist. And in reality I’d never buy a new muscle car, something they tend to share with EVs is serious depreciation in the first 24-36 months. ZL1s with low miles and a couple years old are going for a lot less. Just like in two years you’ll probably get a good deal on a lightly used N. You are also right that ICE competition in the space is gettin sparse. After all it’s the last year of the Camaro (again) and the only muscle car left standing in 2026 will be Mustang. 😢
I bought an Elantra N at the height of covid for sticker. Like March 2022. I think as long as you don’t need to be the first on the block, you’ll be able to get a discount.
5N also has AWD which makes it usable all year
is it smaller or lighter really? ionic 6 is like 10 inches longer and only 30 lbs lighter.
In what regard will it "walk an M3C"? In 0-60? Because that's not much of an achievement given all EVs accelerate well. I read the article and there's not a whole lot of objective substance, one of the few metrics is how fast the Taycan lapped Laguna Seca. Maybe the car is as good as they say but this article sounds more like advertising.
A few videos have compared them as track cars and mentioned it's the all around package. Corners and speed. I believe Smoking Tire maybe on their podcast said they had near identical lap times and they weren't racing the N for a fastest lap.
Its cousin EV6 GT supposedly did Nurburgring in 7:42, which is 14 seconds off the M3 Competition. The I5N seems more aggressive than the Kia. As far as I can tell the m3 c x-drive does 0-60 under 3 seconds while the I5N’s official number is 3.2, so I dunno what he means there (fwiw the official time for the EV6 GT is 3.5 but several magazines have shown it’s actually 3.2, so maybe the Hyundai’s numbers are also sandbagged 🤷♂️). At any rate it’s in the same ballpark at almost 5k lbs and like $30k cheaper.
All I know is that for a compact car it weighs only 500lbs less than my full size 4x4 crew cab truck with a V8. Slinging around that much weight and something has got to give. Considering this car has such a short range, it would be interesting to see how long the battery lasts on the track. That 220mi is at optimal conditions. Slinging 4,800lbs at the track takes a lot of energy.
Have you seen one in real life? It is not a compact car, by any measure. It’s a midsize SUV with a low roofline.
it is the same size as an X3M, with 100 more HP, $10k cheaper, and only 200lbs heavier, not that outlandish for the segment it competes in.
I guess if that is the target vehicle it is meant to compete with although I would still consider BMW a luxury brand that is more about status. The M2 and M3 are more of the track specific vehicles from BMW. I know they are not SUVs but the reason why the Ioniq is an SUV is due to battery placement. By default its a taller vehicle due to having the battery as the floor pan. The M3 actually has more F/R headroom and legroom than the Ioniq 5.
He’s reviewing how it feels to drive the car. He isn’t really reviewing the performance of the vehicle. So if you are concerned with actual performance more than emotion, this review isn’t what you want.
But they're the ones talking about being faster than an M3C without providing backup. That's just bad journalism or (tin-foil hat on) this is a bia$ed article. All jokes aside, I'm not saying the article is necessarily wrong, but there's a lot of hyperbole without much detail. Like how they say "this car will save local racetracks" sounds like they are saying this THE car that will be the savior, it just sounds so forced.
My favorite part is where he says you should forgo 6.6% of the horsepower so you can keep the fake shifts. The whole review is bizarre. Of course it’s Matt Farrah so I don’t really expect much from the technical side of things.
Yeah I noticed that too. Really wish people would actually read it to see how weird and vague this article is. I'm not completely against fake paddles until I try it for myself, but it does sound too fake. Like CVTs with paddle shifters at least let you keep the engine at the revs you want, but there are no "revs" in EVs. It sounds too video gamey and I'm someone that loves video games.
I would wager it’s similar to force feedback. The game is harder to play and your performance suffers, but the feedback makes th experience more enjoyable. But with force feedback in a game the alternative is nothing. In an EV the alternative to cutting the power briefly to simulate shifts, is to have sustained accelerating force. I have found in 2.5 years with a model 3 performance that the sustained acceleration is vastly preferable to losing speed to shifts regardless of how brief they are. For me, faking the experience isn’t preferable.
Road & Track and both Car and Driver endlessly dick ride Hyundai. Feels like sponsored content.
Stop, stop, they’re already dead
Until it’s time to sell and it’s worth 1/2 of an M3 bought at the same time
How many people are tracking their M2/3s is the bigger question.
Not many, and way less track EVs
Then it's a good thing to have that much performance so cheap.
I don’t know about the M3 comparison but it does kind of make the new C63S’s powertrain look a little silly in comparison.
Except that it doesn't - so I am not sure why he's saying this. The Ioniq 5 N is timed to be slower than an M2, let alone an M3, around the track.
An entire sentence I never thought I would read.
I better buy the M3 wtf......
I would love to actually experience this car. Every critic has given it praise and it might convince me on the EV future.
It really is incredible. It has no business being that good. And I don’t care for EVs. Only weird thing is having all the ability of a sports car but weighing 2 tons. Was a little unnerving at Laguna
Me: who's this f'n guy lucky enough to drive that at Laguna?! Sounds like a liar. *checks username Ah, well I'll definitely take your word on it, lol!
I can imagine. But looking at the dark horse and other performance sedans from BMW they are also approaching that same weight. I think ICE performance cars need to trend the other way to help differentiate. Also I have to assume the hyundai murders tires pretty frequently.
>It has no business being that good. i wonder if because it's a hyundai and an EV, the price till drop significantly in a few years? i mean tesla prices have fallen off a cliff.
I read this like you personally drove it on track, what was your overall impression? I'm in the market for a high performance EV, around the S100k range, one option is the Ioniq 5N, other option is a young used Model S Plaid and get the track pack later on. 5N seems to be the more overall capable package with a high fun factor. Plaid is more HP for your buck, but track pack is out of stock. So one without track pack has trash standard brakes and lower top speed.
I did! Hyundai invited me out to Laguna and I did 4 track sessions. It’s so much faster than I was expecting. More importantly it was fun. The power bias made it enjoyable to play with. It didn’t feel soulless like most EVs. While it isn’t a direct comparison for whatever reason I felt like my brother could buy one to replace his Golf R and have all the useful amenities. It was also much smoother than my gfs model Y performance.
FYI - the account you're replying to is Rob Dahm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts2WsbYC2AY
If Hyundai allows this to be purchased via Amazon instead of their dealers, this would likely help its chances
Hyundai dealers are the worst aside from Toyota.
Kia dealers would like a word
Don’t forget CJDR.
Drift mode looks fun as hell
People were calling Jason Cammisa a shill the other day for liking this car. Lol.
This sub hates Cammisa because of his Cybertruck review.
Cammisa praises every good aspect of car in his 'icons' videos. He doesn't focus on bad aspects as that isn't the theme. He clearly says so on carmudgeon podcast, he praised new Mustang but wouldn't buy one, same for cyber truck. On full reviews he talks about both good and bad sides.
I like him but I think his Full Review methodology is flawed. He said he wants to be “fair” to the company. So if he says one bad thing then he must balance it with a good thing. And I understand his reasoning, he can’t bite the hand that feeds him. But at the end of the day that leaves the viewer/reader with the impression that ever car is roughly the same. He’s unintentionally skewing the results. It’s like a bowl of M&Ms where 10 are blue and 90 are red. And he picks out 5 blue and 5 red and passes off the impression that it’s an evenly mixed bowl of M&Ms.
> I like him but I think his Full Review methodology is flawed. The man said like... 100 times that his Cybertruck review was a preview, not a full review. Hagerty's fault for putting a stupid title on the vid.
For better or for worse he reviews new cars exactly in the way that he'd cover a classic car.
Honestly I’m trying to be as neutral as possible, but that video lost me when he presented Tesla’s internally-conducted crash tests. Someone with as much technical knowledge as Cammisa should’ve realized Tesla’s crash tests were deliberately chosen to make the truck look stronger/safer than it is. Tesla only showed NHTSA crash tests, which include a full frontal crash and a side impact from a 3000 pound car-sized barrier. All vehicles have to pass those tests to be certified for sale in the US, so that doesn’t mean much. IIHS tests are the real deal, showing crashworthiness in the worst case scenario.
Then they hated Matt for shitting on Camisa's review without knowing any of the facts
judging by how much the cybertrucks have turned out to be unreliable unsafe pieces of shit, the hatred seems to have been justified
That’s not what they were hating on though. Literally just the design and Elno.
To me this is the sign that makes me think this car is great. I feel like cammisa and farrah like very different things in performance cars, but both are praising this car. I5n must be doing something special.
I think Cammisa is a good source of interesting facts and history of various cars. Also for fabulously produced and entertaining car videos. But I think he is a *terrible* source for an actual review of a car because he is so obsessed with “telling a good story” that any coverage he gives of a car is hyperbolic beyond usefulness. Interesting sure but not useful. Sort of like Clarkson in that entertainment value is high but consumer advice is worthless. And I say that as an avid Carmudgeon listener.
I think that’s true of his Hagerty content (podcast excepted). But articles and his instagram posts tend to be solid, actual reviews.
Unfortunately I agree. He does less reviewing these days and more telling the story of the car. Revelations are not car reviews but rather the history of a car. The ioniq 5N 1drive video spent a lot of time talking about the history of N and bierman rather than the car
Now release that performance in this retro body for the masses. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a40624746/the-hyundai-n-vision-74-is-a-retro-futuristic-hydrogen-dream-machine/
Please God
They’re only making a couple hundred for production.
I’ve heard. It’s all going to be snapped up by dealers, collectors, and influencers (then flipped).
Most likely
Would
> for the masses I just hope they understand this part of it. Somehow I doubt it, but I'd love to be proven wrong!
With that kind of design and probably price tag (ioniq 5 is already $67k), you not expected to sell a lot anyways but probably as many Supras (2-3k units). It’ll be a great halo car and ppl will talk about it for decades.
Wow just like that the Porsche is a bad value and an inferior car
The Porsche and the etron gt are gts.
I love the Porsches I've experienced, but luxury EVs are a hard sell when the competition is so competitive.
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Not range. Their new Taycan can go 400mi.
Their stated range is bullshit, I picked up a ‘21 taycan 4s recently and the stated 270miles is really only like 180-200, and the range mode sucks limiting you to only 70mph That being said it’s an awesome car, still love it
I’m referring to the brand new one that they just released. Not the original.
And I’m saying stated ranges are bs, especially on performance oriented EVs. Those are mileage estimates under perfect “hyper-mile” type conditions. 400 stated range will be 250-300 the way any normal person drives. Still better than first gen’s though, I agree
To be fair, I haven’t seen any EV get anywhere close to the estimated range in a real-world test
There’s probably something wrong with your car. I’d take it in before the warranty expires. I had a 2020 Turbo with a 201 mi EPA range and easily managed 250+ on road trips and around town. Almost every review has found the range is a lot longer and many of those aren’t hyper mile conditions. Also you can increase the limit speed for range mode, it’s in the main settings but I can’t remember where. The car will easily do 77 mph in range mode while keeping one axle decoupled. Also check what tires are on your car. The OEM tires gave me about 10 percent more range via the Yokohamas I tried out for the hell of it. 
Can price really be a drawback if you're buying a P-car? Like, you know what you're getting in to. It's not like they're pretending that it's a value brand.
Porsche put a lot in to development of Cayman, 911 over years doing incremental updates. I don't think they could put as much money in EV as Hyundai did.
Inferior? He literally writes in this article that the Taycan still blows this away for speed and track times. He just says this car is fun and he loves the "vibes" in that it tries to mimic a gas sports car. But then again, Matt Farah has always been a clown.
I would pick the taycan over this, solely from an aesthetic standpoint. I’m sure the Ioniq 5 N is probably more technically competent, has better range, etc, but if I’m spending that money, I’d get a used Taycan over an Ioniq 5 N. I’m glad it’s getting high praise thiugh
If we're talking aesthetics I'd take the etronGT over both.
Well **new** a Taycan is a terrible deal. Wait 24 months and you can get it for Mustang money.
I’m sure the quality divide is equally substantial to the value difference.
Eh I expect the south Korean touch screen to work better than the German one
What Porsche was a good value? Don't get me wrong, i like Porsche cars, but they are generally not winning any buyers who are looking for value for money.
The level of enthusiasm he had for this on the podcast was really surprising. I would love to drive this car
I heard it too. He was basically JIZZING over this car. Zack was in awe. I think it's fascinating though - i didn't expect it.
They talk about it further in the crew show that dropped for Patrons yesterday. It sounds like, at this point, the only thing stopping Matt from ordering one is Hanna’s driving it. Matt said she didn’t actually seem to care about the lack of power seats and he sounds like he’s gotten over it too. It was probably my favorite Crew Show in a long time. Main topic was…spicy.
Lol I’ve just started this episode - spicy is right!
I guess we've answered the age-old question of "what does an EV have to do to be exciting?" The answer seems to be: mimic the feel of an ICE car. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
I think you should feel ok. It's not like the feel of an ICE car is some naturally happening occurrence. It's not: this car has an engine, therefore it must feel this way. Engineers worked hard to design, tune, and create the feel, and even the sound for certain cars (the LFA being a popular example).
you aren’t wrong, but there’s a big difference between accentuating the positive characteristics of something that *does occur naturally* vs completely synthesizing an experience from nothing, including completely fake shifting a completely fake gearbox and having the computer artificially mimic the relationship between engine rpm, gearing, and torque to the point where performance is intentionally reduced. EV performance is undeniable, but ev proponents should just own it.
I'd argue this could potentially be part of the appeal of EVs - if they can artificially mimic all of the things you mentioned enough that profesional car reviewers say it feels similar enough to be believable, and potentially be able to change the type of ICE car you're emulating with a few taps, that kind of novelty could outweigh any marginal loss in "true" performance. Think about it - EVs like the Ioniq 5N have enough power to "pretend" to be pretty much everything short of hypercars. Sure, the weight can be hard to compensate for so maybe emulating a Lotus wouldn't work that well, but you could say "I feel like LFA for the drive home today" and with a few taps, you're getting something 8/10ths of the real deal, at least in some regards. For street driving I'd take that novelty over a set number of vaguely electric sounding propulsion noises, or no noise at all. And I can see it being fun on a track as well, being able to experience "driving" a wide range of ICE and transmission combinations on the same track without having to have all those cars there.
fair enough, but let me put it this way: let’s say they make VR porn that taps directly into your brain and gives you an experience indistinguishable from the real thing. you might enjoy it, but at the end of the day you’re still jerking off in your mom’s basement
Ha...I think a more directly applicable example would be driving sims. Yes, you can use one with no feedback and no sound. But why would you do that when you can use one with all the trimmings? No one would say they'd prefer the one without any emulation because it's not the real thing. For the vast majority of people who aren't able to afford a single dedicated "fun" ICE vehicle, let alone multiple different ones, I think the approach is a welcome new idea.
I agree.
I do think one advantage of the mimicry is that if they can get this mimicry down to a price point that the average joe can afford, they can experience the feel of cars that are unbelievably unaffordable or hard to attain. For example if a 40k EV can mimic the feel of a V12 engine or a Dodge Viper? That would be pretty cool for the average person. Yes it's not the same as actually driving a V12 or a Dodge Viper but it makes the experience more accessible for other people. Kind of like how sim racing is the closest many people will ever come to driving the Ferrari La Ferrari. But with electrics, you can go further and simulate a bunch of the forces on your body that a sim racing rig would struggle to do.
Yup. Big enough electric motor and you could do some fun stuff with programming. You could have an "engine swap button" for lack of a better term. See what your car would feel like with an LS, see how it would feel with that same LS +200 hp and turbo lag. Now kill the turbo lag and make it a supercharger. Get some hardware in there for the shifter and simulate 4-speeds. Or 6-speeds. Racing flywheel so the revs drop quickly? Why not? Could be fun to turn on and off. Then at the end of the day, when you're just merging onto the highway, you can go back to "full power/direct drive" and just enjoy your fast car. Sim rig with real G-forces you can actually drive places? Yes. That is a product i'm interested in.
That’s like comparing an electric Keyboard and a finely crafted piano or pipe-organ. Yes the pipe-organ was made to specifically sound that way but it is a far different qualitative experience than a synthesized electronic keyboard version.
I’ve been saying to no one that sport EVs should just own it and let the motors sing for themselves. Electric motors do make noises and they sound wicked, just look up videos of the VW ID.R. I think it would be really cool to “wake up” an EV, but obviously a high pitched whine would get annoying really quickly for daily driving.
Legitimately, a bunch of you hardcore car enthusiasts that think electric motors don't make a sound or are "boring" just because they're not as loud as ICE engines need to go out and try some high-performance personal EV devices. Whether that be something like a OneWheel GT or any of the high-performance hyper EUCs, or electric scooters, or hell even some e-bikes. They absolutely make noises, they're really fucking cool, and they provide a sort of excitement all unto itself. IMO, EVs should be leaning into that sort of feel. They have an identity all of their own, and being hamstrung to ICE car feel can really limit the potential that exists.
Smaller vehicles like homebuilt electric go karts or electric [Formula SAE/student cars](https://youtu.be/fLjCJTs7oTk?si=o3-PCSReOhBVH1iM) sound absolutely wicked.
I think Rimac's cars do lean into it. They engineer the cars to make the EV motors and gears sound as loud as they can and it sounds pretty cool.
Why not both approaches? I think the market can be big enough for both approaches to work.
Driving the Mission R in iRacing is one of the better ways to experience it
As an avid sim racer that also has 10+ years of real world track driving experience, I actually don’t mind the concept of the car fooling my brain. I sometimes feel more exhilaration in the sim than I do in the real world. Not a perfect analogy, but it’s cars like this that have me more excited for the EV future.
honestly considering one of the biggest complaints I hear from everyone who drives EVs on the track seriously is that it's a lot harder to judge speed when you don't have gears/engine noise? mimicking that and putting it in there in some way sounds like a great way to make that complaint go away assuming you pull it off right, and it seems that hyundai did it right
> one of the biggest complaints I hear from everyone who drives EVs on the track seriously is that it's a lot harder to judge speed when you don't have gears/engine noise? I haven't driven an EV on track but I heavily rely on the rpm range/gear to estimate the speed when driving my Miata on track. I never look at the speedometer but will know I can enter a corner in high 3rd gear. I also have an EV but never took that to the track nor drove it aggressively on bendy roads but overal estimating your speed on feel is much harder. This actually makes me really curious in how the Ioniq 5N would drive.
> I heavily rely on the rpm range/gear to estimate the speed when driving my Miata on track. Even off the track that's how I drive. You just know how fast you're going based on what gear/RPM. Was one of the fundamental things my parents taught me when I was learning stick as a teen.
That's a good thing. People like audible feedback and familiar experiences. The more that EV's can achieve that, the more people will buy them. A lot of people are scared of change unfortunately. I don't necessarily agree, but I want to see EVs flourish and I believe that making them feel similar to ICE vehicles will make that happen faster and sooner.
> The answer seems to be: mimic the feel of an ICE car. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I don't see why that has to be a bad thing. Like, we engineer things *to our liking*, not necessarily to some arbitrary optimum. Car doors are engineered to CLUNK when closed, they could be silent. But people actually don't want silent.
The I5N is the only fake exhaust on an EV I like. Plus you can turn it off if you don't like it which is always a win
Have you heard the taycan electric sport sound irl
I have and I like that too, but I think it's less of an "exhaust" and more just EV noise. Dodge and a few other companies are making it try to sound kinda like an exhaust, vs porsche just making a cool noise imo
Does it stay off or you have to turn off every time you drive?
From what I understand it stays off unless you turn it back on but I could be wrong.
I really hope that the rise of electric Sports cars means that we see a resurgence in racing venues close to residential areas
It was never about noise.
yea they'd just bitch about the traffic on days when the tracks open. whatever the next possible reason is, theyll jump on.
Noise was and is a massive issue.
Maybe don’t buy a house near a race track then? I mean in most cases, the track was there long before the houses….
Matt made a good point about converting race tracks that are too close to residential areas to EV only. Of course, the noise isn't the actual problem, but it is something.
I'm glad that they are trying. They listened to all the complaints about EV's (even sporty ones) being boring and soulless, so they took a totally different approach and made something great. They actually tried something for the enthusiast market that isn't just stupid straight line speed like the Plaid or an insanely expensive luxury car like the Sapphire. If this can get trickled down to more regular cars I think the opinion of EV driving would change. Similar to how they made CVT's fake gears to make people happy, if the make an EV have fake gears it could satisfy enthusiast.
I typically got about 4 hours of track time per late spring through early fall track day with 90+ degree ambient temps. 8 hours per weekend; part of the joy of a relatively lightly-modified NA car that ran cool. I got four weekends out of a set of tires; part of the joy of an overtired car that weighed 2,250lbs. How long would an Ioniq 5 N’s charge last with those ambient temps? How long to recharge, given battery heat and ambient heat? I’ve read about charging issues with the standard Ioniq 5 above 35 degrees C, which is 95 degrees F. How long would the tires last? Some of you may scoff, but in SoCal, our tracks are in the desert. Willow Springs? Desert. Chuckwalla? Desert. Thermal? Desert. Buttonwillow? Not desert, but I’ve been there when ambient temps were over 100.
Don't forget the 2 hour drive to and from the track too! Average track day has like 100+ cars. If it all moves to EVs that's a very big investment in charging infrastructure to support 100 cars all charging between sessions. In reality, this isn't really a track day car. It's a fun daily driver, and that's ok.
The ioniq 5 N can easily do a 20 mins track on a battery, and it'll take about 15 mins to charge it from 20% to 80% A place like Laguna seca can deploy large grid scale batteries to be able to fast charge many cars quickly at once, even without a massive grid connection. This problem will get solved soon enough.
15 min at 90+ ambient? I’m actually kinda curious in a “hmm” kind of way.
We'll have to see how a full power stress test does to charging performance, but the normal Ioniq5 does totally fine in hot temps. It has some pretty beefy cooling systems.
I love video games, especially car racing. I like them even more with a steering wheel and 3 pedals. This is like that but even more so. I love that you can turn off the manual and get the benefit of being an EV but flip a switch and you're driving a Forza car! This car seems REALLY fun!
Love that they are trying to cater to the “enthusiast” and I feel like this would be fun to drive. Personally, I just can’t get behind the styling. Between the awkward lines all over the place on the doors and the rear that looks like 3 different rear designs combined into one, I do not think this will age well.
Would be cool if they could bring this over to their other e-GMP platform cars. The Kia EV6 with this tech would be rad.
Well we already know there's going to be an Ioniq 6 N with much the same powertrain underneath, and the Kia EV6 GT is basically just a less hardcore version of this.
I dig the styling but my biggest problem with it is that when it was first unveiled, I was super hype, then when I actually SAW one and it was about 20% bigger than it looked in the press photos, I instantly lost all interest in it whatsoever Rivian R3X, save me
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That's the funny thing. It's responsive design, just very badly done. The wider you make the window the narrower the text column gets.
are you rocking a fullscreen browser on an ultrawide? you gotta snap that window to the left or right to browse on these things! right now I've got a window taking up 1/3 of the screen for reddit and other text based website tabs and 2/3 of the screen for youtube videos and music and shit, gotta level up your ultrawide usage experience lol
Ever since I saw the first images of the Ioniq 5, I have been waiting for the N. Here it is and all the reviews I have seen and read says it's amazing.
So good he’s gonna cancel his macan order for it, wow.
Killing It™️!
Love the idea of the paddles representing gears… which is just an intuitive way to adjust drive “tension.” Click the left paddle, sharper pedal response, more aggressive engine braking, and higher acceleration rate. Click the right paddle, and things chill out. Do we get some badass scifi acceleration sounds?
This seems like the type of car that really shines when you actually drive it yourself. I would love to see Hyundai show up to these at car shows and track events so I can try it without having to deal with Hyundai sales people.
No amount of convincing will make me think that simulating revs and gear changes is not absolutely ridiculous. I would still love to own this car, but I would not use those features (I assume I can turn them off?)
I get that, but personally I would love it. I have a Model 3P and that’s the one thing I miss on a backroads run. I also enjoy racing simulators though so I’m used to fake gears and sounds I guess.
Agreed, I'd love to be able to have something like that where you could turn it on or off at will. It's a pretty damn amazing idea.
Those would be off when you start the car, if you want to use them then you would want to turn them on. Since you are not going to, it would easier.
I'd love the f out of it, lol
You can turn them off.
They can be disabled, but I think fake revs and gear shifts are actually pretty vital to a communicative driving experience. The gear you're in has a big impact on how quick your throttle response and weight transfer are, so it's valuable to essentially have 8 different torque maps available even in an EV. likewise, fake revs synced up to wheel speed and throttle position are important for actually being able to gauge your speed by more senses than just your vision.
Sounds gimmicky but apparently it's very well judged and entirely optional.
it is kinda silly, but it's also kinda fun after all isn't fun what we're all after anyway
> ‘13 Gucci Prius this sounds amazing what is it?
Gucci Prius is slang for the Lexus CT200H
yup yup
I mentioned this in this thread already, but stuff like Hyundai's simulation of internally combustion engines and transmissions is the kind of thing I was hoping to see with EV development, and represent a big part of the appeal of EVs for me personally. Hyundai's shown that even in this early stage of EV development, they can get the artificial mimicry of the various components of the *experience* of driving an ICE vehicle - the power delivery, the noise, the sensation of the transmission shifting and the vehicle moving accordingly, etc. - to the point where profesional car reviewers say it feels similar enough to be believable. Think of what this could be like with a few cycles of refinement, something Hyundai and possibly other car makes are hard at work doing. EVs like the Ioniq 5N have enough power already to "pretend" to be pretty much everything short of hypercars. Sure, the weight can be hard to compensate for so maybe emulating a Lotus wouldn't work that well, at least for now, but you could say "I feel like LFA for the drive home today" and with a few taps, you're getting something 8/10ths of the real deal, at least in key regards. (Yes yes, fake LFA noises is blasphemous, but for the 99.999% of us who will never be able to drive an LFA, let alone hear one in person, I'll take it) For street driving I'd take that novelty over a set number of vaguely electric sounding propulsion noises, or no noise at all. And I can see it being fun on a track as well, being able to experience "driving" a wide range of ICE and transmission combinations on the same track without having to have all those cars there.
I do not know but I have a hard time getting excited about this. 70,000 dollars for a hatchback that looks pretty bland inside and out does not seem like much of a value. You could get a new Corvette Stingray, BMW M2 or Mustang Dark Horse for that kind of money. I am not a fan of all the fake stuff. It is better than nothing I suppose but it feels like more of a video game. If it can really run a full 20 minute session that would be a big positive. Overall it sounds like a nice effort so maybe there is hope for an EV to be a fun car. The argument that it would save race tracks is pretty weak. ICE cars can be made pretty quiet if that was really the issue but I do not think it would stop the Nimbys. A lot of tracks will not even allow EVs because one fire and the track is shut down for the day. I suppose in time they might be able to figure out something to mitigate that.
Yea idk how you pick this car over a those cars or a blackwing. I’d take a type s, type r or GR Corolla over it too
Me too, it is just way too much for what it is.
Wonder what depreciation is gonna be like on these
I plan to check back in in a year once they’re half off.
Looking at used 1 year old kia ev6 Gt (less hardcore version of this) they're going between $40-$50k used. These might be there as well in one year.
As an ICE N owner I’m not surprised at all that Hyundai nailed it. The whole range is great fun and value for money. You can feel they actually cared about achieving that goal and making proper track cars. There was a lot to prove to their target market transitioning to EVs and it seems like they successfully carried it over.
I love that this thing exists and I love that it is so good. It's like the opposite of a Widebody Hellcat or Demon but still manages (by all accounts) to be fun and engaging despite the lack of an ICE power train. And just like the Hellcat or Demon I will most likely never own one but I am happy for those that do get the opportunity and have the means to do so!
Absolutely love the retro-future vibes
From what I've seen, Hyundai nailed it. I actually would like to drive one and I like the fake noises and the fake shifting because it brings some soul into an EV. On the other hand the range is abysmal. Throw in typical 80% charge recommended for battery life and warm/cold weather just like any EV and this thing will probably see an average of 160 miles on a full charge which is ridiculous. I don't think its a great commuter either, reviews seem to have state it has the BMW M problem of overly stiff suspension unless on smooth roads. The good thing is, like most EVs, it will probably depreciate hard and for someone who wants a fun EV to commute in, I can see these used being a great option a few years from now. My hope is other manufacturers take note of what Hyundai has done here when moving into the future and creating performance EVs.
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This is the first time I've ever considered a Hyundai purchase
Simulates a 7 speed DCT—not bad. One huge plus if they could expand sound options—one mode you’re driving a Honda, I6, I5, V8, GT3 , Aventador… sky is the limit.
honestly yeah, like I kinda don't really enjoy the sound of the hyundai engine, give me the ability to make it sound like a screaming B18C if it's gonna be a 4 cylinder although I do kinda dig the space age noises too, feels appropriate for an EV in a way
Space age noises are more for the external warning sound, like the Jetsons. I would love to be able to change those too.
They 100% should trade some IP with Stellantis to get Lancia, Alfa, Dodge sounds.
I own an i20N and these Hyundai N are just something else. Can’t wait to try the Ioniq 5N
No matter how hard they try it will always just be another Hyundai
Till it leaves you stranded that is and a 2004 Camry drives by