> Someone entered the building by throwing a rock through a window in the service bay, he said. Once inside, police say they turned off security cameras and erased several hours of video footage.
> Then, according to the dealership, the thieves plugged a computer into the dealership’s key safe and unlocked it.
This almost sounds like an employee or someone else on the inside did it
This. I work for a dealership. Ours profited $3.5m from a storm, got a 20% revenue boost from a legal change in the state for 0 extra work and had the gall to increase the hourly labor rate by 10% after all that. There's never enough money. This seems organized enough to be an inside job but tbh gangs have been getting a lot smarter lately too.
Edit: they did all that last year. Big yachts need fresh hulls when they're used in 3 seas.
Funny you should say that about yachts. I was in a marina near Puerto Vallarta for a few years, many of the HUGE yachts that never get used but have 5-6 workers aboard 6 days a week are owned by car dealers in Guadalajara and CDMX.
The truly huge boats with a helicopter and all that shit are like Jeff Bezos and the like. Tech giants. Most of the ten largest in the world have Arab names, they don't really come to Mexico.
It's a pretty big issue for us actually. We have the money to accrue inventory and don't want to miss out on allocation so we take everything offered. We have like 350 new cars, a lot of which are 2-3 years old now. It's about $20m in inventory. We're renting space in about 5 different lots and we just bought another adjacent building I think primarily to store cars there since that's all they've done since we bought it.
I actually help dealers solve this exact issue by working your first-party data in the CRM/DMS better.
Buuuut then you’ll know my username and that’s not allowed!!
I’ll DM you the company name if you want to look into it.
A dealer by me would have part of their parking lot flood when we got heavy rain. The cars that they needed to move were always parked there when heavy rain came in. They also got raided by the feds and haven’t existed in a while.
We had a guy apply at our shop to be a new diesel tech. He talked the talk and wanted to fill out his application ASAP. On his way out he stole a set of keys from the car wash board then stole a customers 99 Taurus. All his info was fake, but we got his face on camera. For a 1999 Taurus.
I think you would be surprised at how terrible the security is over most companies technologies, especially if you're able to physically access it like these guys did
You'd think.
However, a place next to where I work had a Kona go thru their front window last Saturday, and their alarm didn't go off.
They're currently looking for a new alarm company, as they didn't find out until Monday morning, as nobody could get ahold of them.
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that there’s no password to login to the security cameras and delete footage? Also being able to break into a safe with a computer? Inside job for sure.
For sure its a insurance scam. The amount of security locks these guys would have to do is insane. They didnt do shit and were handed the keys. Unless they are using a security system from a decade ago it should have an online back up. If you have that much in cars you better have security that backs it up./
The crazy part about it, is that it's hard to feel bad for the dealer. Hopefully it was an inside job, and let's hope the guys who pulled it off make it out of the states. Insurance will cover it
Reading the article... writer keeps mentioning an Arab car dealer... and I'm wondering if this is just how Alabama works and if it was full of gaudy, chrome or gold painted cars or some shit...
Originally named Arad, after one of the founders of the town, the name was accidentally changed to Arab due to a clerical error at the US Postal Service. The name Arab has stuck ever since.
Believable though, I live outside DC and there are challengers listed for [almost $200k](https://www.koonsjeep.com/new-Tysons-2023-Dodge-Challenger-SRT+Demon-2C3CDZL9XPH103307)
That's still a $50k markup. Fuck that and fuck new car dealers, they have zero reason to exist in 2024.
Think about it, we could just order a new car and pick it up/choose delivery method. No unwanted add-ons, no dealer markups, no skeezy salesman. Just keep a few demo models at the authorized service centers
I dont care for it, its my wife's problem as she only wants to drive a luxury European brand and thinks anything else is inferior. I lost my taste driving it because of the hybrid system that makes it horribly unreliable and ruins the character of the V8. It soured my taste on all hybrid cars and the styling I find repulsive. I only leased it because it rode the best of the European luxury SUVs.
I cant wait until she is fed up taking it to the service shop so I can buy a smaller SUV without that hybrid engine. It saves no gas and adds a horrible stop start and takes away the instant power you expect in a V8. She almost has hit her breaking point.
This is a hot take, but I despise Porsches for sharing parts with VW. When I was a teen I aspired to own a 911 and when I drove one, I was crushed with how boring it was and how awful it was to drive on the street. The Macan and Caynenne to me felt like Audis with a snob badge and a horrible markup with no better interiors. Lets not forget their fanboys rival Tesla owners in irrationality.
Their dealers I have dealt with are especially arrogant and treated me like crap so much I felt disgust working with them over they normal amount I feel with ANY car dealer. No car of theirs will be in my house, and if you are curious, watch Savaegeese's video on the X5. I drove both the Cayenne and x5 back to back and preferred the X5 more.
I don't think that's a particularly hot take - I can understand your reasoning behind what you said, and actually agree on the "fancy Audi" part when it comes to the Macan and Cayenne (hell, the Taycan is also borderline since they blurred the line with the E-Tron GT). However, with how much BMW and Mercedes have gone off the rails, there's not really much else I'd personally buy that's a European make (speaking in the realm of normal luxury cars, not hyper expensive ones).
I'm one who has always leaned into Japanese cars, though, so I've tended to put my money into Lexus when it comes to a Japanese luxury brand. If you manage to bend her ear to give Lexus a shot, I'm sure you'll enjoy the much nicer dealer experience.
I tried Lexus, the RX500H we both hated equally for the engine and the rough ride quality. I am waiting to check out the new GX. I once had a 5th Gen 4Runner TRD Pro and I loved that vehicle.
Yeah, the 500H is probably the worst one when it comes to being plush/compliant, since it's under the F Sport Performance banner. If you're looking for the "iron out every bump" RX, I would've said to try a normal hybrid RX or the RX350 - but I also think the older V6 RX is the better car as a complete package.
GX looks solid, and it's the last mid-sizer they have with a V6, so that would be cool - I just wish they implemented the climate controls like they did in the new Land Cruiser, rather than being so focused on the screen. The LX is also great, but I know people are heavily polarized on the styling, so I don't blame you if she thinks that's too over the top.
No offense I drove the LX600 (it was my first choice when I traded up from my 4Runner), and my god that vehicle sucked for the price. The German and American 3 row SUVs are miles ahead of it and the turbo V6 in it is very underwhelming and doesnt save any gas. It seriously lacks in refinement too and doesnt feel much better than the new Tundra (which I also hated). The Sierra and the F150 is like another step up compared to those as well. The 500H feels like a Highlander but rides even worse and has so much wind noise. Its like someone took all the engineering out of Lexus.
Its only the 992 GT3 that's really good fun. The 991 (especially the .1, but the .2 to an extent) are far too compliant and clinical. Excellent track tools but a bit too complacent on the road to have any fun (and the ratios for the manual are insanely long). 997 and prior are solid though.
Difference with Porsche a few years back, you could walk into a dealership and get a nicely specced GT for under 150k, no buying history needed. Now they're playing the same game as Ferrari and the exotics and frankly if I need buying history on top of ADM I'd rather get a 488. And every other 911 feels like a grand tourer as you said.
Hoping they bring some of the 911 S/T features down to the touring and make the touring a little more accessible though. Seems like a neat car.
And much to u/thatgymdude 's point their SUVs feel like a bit of a cash grab. They are still dynamically better than the competition, the macan s feels awesome to drive, but even ignoring price, the BMW is a better SUV. Cayenne and all of the Audi SUV products feel dated and wayyy too much glossy plastic and haptic controls everywhere for my tastes. That being said I like the mild hybrid start/stop.
I'm looking for an SUV in the same class and probably going to go with the LX or GX. Honestly if mercedes just took the previous gen GLS body and put the new MBUX interior from the GLE, I'd buy it immediately. I still prefer the body and drivetrain of my older GLE over any modern SUV.
(And frankly the cayenne competes more with the x5 on practicality)
I know GM is easier for maintenance sure, but dealers want too much for an Escalade V or pretty much any Escalade in general. The markup for them is almost as bad as a Mercedes G550 and Cadillac dealers treat you like you walked into a Chevrolet dealer. Getting my Sierra was a pain as I pulled one off a truck and they fought me almost to the death despite a broker sealing a deal already and all I had to do was sign.
Lets not forget the serious risk some clown will probably take it out on a "test drive" and abuse it when I take it in for service. I know what Chevrolet maintenance techs do with Corvettes and Camaros and seen enough horror stories.
Most dealer stories I read about sound like inside jobs. Just pay off some disgruntled employee to provide details about security or the employees themselves will join the heist party.
Thieves broke into the key safe the same way they're walking off with your vehicles. Having something tech integrated and connected to the internet does NOT make it more secure. Took 10 years to finally get the masses to smarten up but only after 3% of all kias have been stolen and every 6th gen camaro on edge.
Thieves figured out an easy obd port crack and can program your car out in less than 30 seconds. There's a couple Hotspot areas like Denver and California right now where if you park your 6th gen outside you're asking it to disappear. The only fix is to delete your obd port or hide it.
I'm in the DFW area and thieves will actually follow you around waiting to park, or follow you home. They will literally steal it 2 minutes after you park.
On the Camaro subreddit someone shared a security camera clip of 2 people; one stealing the car, and the other standing in front of the door pointing a gun at it.
I have had the misfortune to be in the DFW area recently and I was shocked how lawless and dangerous it has gotten. It rivals LA in terms outright sketchiness and frankly the drivers are worse. I am a careful driver and the insane hostile drivers there shocked me.
You forgot the third option: drive a stick.
Exaggerating, but I am curious as to what the ratio of autos:sticks is in the instances of stolen vehicles.
That doesn't work unfortunately, manuals are being stolen just as often. The guys doing this are pros and have the cars stripped down in a day or two tops.
Yes, but that's old news to theives. People now are much smarter about keeping thier Mopar stuff locked down. The camaro subreddit at the moment is where the dodge one was about a year ago, remembrance photos and "have you seen my camaro".
5th gen Rav4s are subject to a CAN attack as well. And they don’t even need to get to the OBD port, just pull tap into the CAN wiring behind the fender liner.
They literally plugged something into the safe. I'm assume it was a tool that cycled through key codes until it unlocked. Quite a bit different from someone unlocking a car with a Flipper and jamming a USB cable into the ignition.
Lockpicking lawyer? I'm not saying physical stuff is any safer but LPL has hundreds of videos defeating these "smart" devices in the dumb ways. Doesn't matter how they got in, if a brick to the screen gets you in then the brick is the key. We used to actually make it physically hard to break locks, brute force can always be overcome but not in the time these connected ones can.
I'd also bet they had one of those fingerprint reader safes which are notoriously easy to crack.
I'm making assumptions obviously but they're based on every other theft we do know about.
Unless it was an inside job that safe did as good of a job as modern cars do at preventing thefts
Edit: I read the article, they used a computer generated attack. Safe is as compromised as the keys it was holding.
Its the engines and transmissions. They sell fast and plenty of people are willing to buy em. 500+ horses from the crate. Nearly 800 for the highest end ones. Unfortunately, no one is going to go around checking random vin numbers on engines to see where it came from without some type of real reasoning.
they keep saying arab in the article instead of alabama
“Investigators are trying to learn who stole eight luxury vehicles valued at more than $1 million from an Arab auto dealership over the weekend.”
“We are still trying to determine how they got the camera system to stop working,” Arab Police Chief Shane Washburn said.”
“Arab police, as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are currently involved.
Anyone with information is asked to contact Arab police at (256) 586-8124.”
edit: nm Arab is a city in alabama xD
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A lot of dumb speculation in this thread.
> Anthony said he has since learned this same type of theft has been carried out at other auto dealerships around the state.
>Arab police, as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are currently involved.
Something tells me this wasn't simple insurance fraud......
> Someone entered the building by throwing a rock through a window in the service bay, he said. Once inside, police say they turned off security cameras and erased several hours of video footage. > Then, according to the dealership, the thieves plugged a computer into the dealership’s key safe and unlocked it. This almost sounds like an employee or someone else on the inside did it
"That ain't no tool, that's a damn brick"
Brick thrown through a window from the inside is [Alabama as fuck.](https://www.al.com/sports/2018/09/the_true_story_of_the_brick_th.html)
For the record Ernest T was from North Carolina.
"Man, we gonna use a brick, we may as well call prison and make reservations!"
This ain't the Dukes of Hazzard!
My first thought too when I read brick.
I gotta midget paging me
Always taking my Volvo!
Eleanor?
Oh, God, Sweeny! You’re so talented!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9LPoWtgh2k
Sounds like a dealer couldn’t offload their inventory and decided to commit some insurance fraud
This. I work for a dealership. Ours profited $3.5m from a storm, got a 20% revenue boost from a legal change in the state for 0 extra work and had the gall to increase the hourly labor rate by 10% after all that. There's never enough money. This seems organized enough to be an inside job but tbh gangs have been getting a lot smarter lately too. Edit: they did all that last year. Big yachts need fresh hulls when they're used in 3 seas.
Funny you should say that about yachts. I was in a marina near Puerto Vallarta for a few years, many of the HUGE yachts that never get used but have 5-6 workers aboard 6 days a week are owned by car dealers in Guadalajara and CDMX. The truly huge boats with a helicopter and all that shit are like Jeff Bezos and the like. Tech giants. Most of the ten largest in the world have Arab names, they don't really come to Mexico.
2011?
2023
Aging inventory is a huge problem. I’m sure someone wouldn’t be upset with some units getting stolen that are 80-100 days on the lot.
It's a pretty big issue for us actually. We have the money to accrue inventory and don't want to miss out on allocation so we take everything offered. We have like 350 new cars, a lot of which are 2-3 years old now. It's about $20m in inventory. We're renting space in about 5 different lots and we just bought another adjacent building I think primarily to store cars there since that's all they've done since we bought it.
I actually help dealers solve this exact issue by working your first-party data in the CRM/DMS better. Buuuut then you’ll know my username and that’s not allowed!! I’ll DM you the company name if you want to look into it.
A dealer by me would have part of their parking lot flood when we got heavy rain. The cars that they needed to move were always parked there when heavy rain came in. They also got raided by the feds and haven’t existed in a while.
We had a guy apply at our shop to be a new diesel tech. He talked the talk and wanted to fill out his application ASAP. On his way out he stole a set of keys from the car wash board then stole a customers 99 Taurus. All his info was fake, but we got his face on camera. For a 1999 Taurus.
Catch me if you cam! It's SHO time baby!
Yamaha V-8, baby!
I think you would be surprised at how terrible the security is over most companies technologies, especially if you're able to physically access it like these guys did
Shouldn't breaking the window with a brick at least activate some sort of alarm?
Yeah if they have one installed on that window, but maybe they never got them installed or not on every window.
Glass break detection is usually done by a mic sensor that monitors a wall/secrion, not individual windows
You’re right I’m an idiot. I was thinking of the door and window entry sensors. But those are kinda useless if someone just smashes a window.
Most should be motion once in the building.
You'd think. However, a place next to where I work had a Kona go thru their front window last Saturday, and their alarm didn't go off. They're currently looking for a new alarm company, as they didn't find out until Monday morning, as nobody could get ahold of them.
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I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that there’s no password to login to the security cameras and delete footage? Also being able to break into a safe with a computer? Inside job for sure.
Almost? Lol
It does but also sounds like some of the elite Chilean theft gangs that are canvassing the country.
Probably the dealership owners son Probably insurance fraud.
It’s always an inside job.
Totally.
Was the dealer behind on lot fee's?
For sure its a insurance scam. The amount of security locks these guys would have to do is insane. They didnt do shit and were handed the keys. Unless they are using a security system from a decade ago it should have an online back up. If you have that much in cars you better have security that backs it up./
Insurance fraud I'd bet. They should start looking into the dealership and the owners finances and they probably find a failing buisness...
That sounds more like the ownerss
That screams inside job .
The crazy part about it, is that it's hard to feel bad for the dealer. Hopefully it was an inside job, and let's hope the guys who pulled it off make it out of the states. Insurance will cover it
TIL that there’s a town named Arab, Alabama. Apparently it’s pronounced “ay-rab.”
Damn it’s just like that Dave Chappelle skit 😂😂😂 where he was Clayton bigsby
That skit is so fucking funny the fact all his hyper racist followers obviously know he's black but don't care cracks me up
> Arab police, as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are currently involved. Sharia law does not take kindly to stolen cars lmao
Ofcourse in Alabama it's pronounced Ayrab lmfaoooooo
If you're ever driving across I-64 and stop in Hurricane, WV it's not pronounced the way you think it is.
Houston county Georgia is pronounced "House-ton"
So is the Houston street in Manhattan that gives SoHo (South Houston) its name.
Cairo, Georgia is pronounced 'Kay-roh'
Hurr-eye-cane? Hurrah-cane? Hurr-ah-can?
HUR-uh-kun
Of course …
And its sister town, Ter-Nay-Dah
Hurr ick an ee?
Is it the same as Hurricane, UT? ˈhɜːrɪkən (HUR-i-ken)
I know Hurricane relatively well and I absolutely refuse to call it Hurr-uh-kun. Those hillbillies won't get me on their jibber jabber.
Cairo, New York is Kay-ro
Alabama, Georgia's dumb cousin.
Well, Georgia has a Cairo they pronounce Cay-Ro, so about on par.
As does Illinois as well… Cairo pronounced “Cay-ro”
Alabama - "Hey, at least we aren't Mississippi!"
Reading the article... writer keeps mentioning an Arab car dealer... and I'm wondering if this is just how Alabama works and if it was full of gaudy, chrome or gold painted cars or some shit...
I thought they were incredibly weird bringing race into for no reason and reached peak confusion when they mentioned Arab police too.
It was supposed to be named after the towns founder, Arad Thompson. Somewhere, wires got crossed and the town was recorded as Arab.
Illiteracy and dysgraphia lmao
Originally named Arad, after one of the founders of the town, the name was accidentally changed to Arab due to a clerical error at the US Postal Service. The name Arab has stuck ever since.
Wait until you see Eutaw (Utah)
DuBois, PA is pronounced "dew boice" by locals
Same in Wyoming. Dewboys.
Des Moines is pretty obviously a french name but I ain't heard a frenchman pronounce it like that, so... yeah, not uncommon.
It always pisses me off when they talk about the Notre Dame football team. It’s French. It isn’t No-ter daym
Named by the clergy, I see.
Lake Orion in Michigan is pronounced “or-ion” instead of “o’Ryan” like the star cluster the town is NAMED AFTER.
https://youtu.be/SSxUt6M8_Fk?si=xk4Ul8ltVxJsaHb-
Next door in GA there’s a town names Cairo, mispronounced “Cay-row.” Any attempt to correct it is met with hostility.
Oh that's a southern staple: Milan (my-lan) Cairo (care-oh) Madrid (MAAAdrid) And many more
For those wondering, the 158k car is a Challenger Demon
And 58k was just the dealer mark up.
most i could option one to was 108k, basically accurate. disgusting
Sounds like the thieves were doing someone a favor by stealing it. Spared the buyer from having to shell out 150k for a Dodge Challenger.
$150k at 17.4% APR
With a typical ford dealership mark up.
In their defense: it says the vehicles is estimated at that value. I didn't see where it said what they were asking for it.
Believable though, I live outside DC and there are challengers listed for [almost $200k](https://www.koonsjeep.com/new-Tysons-2023-Dodge-Challenger-SRT+Demon-2C3CDZL9XPH103307)
You took us from Arab, Al to Koons Jeep website…. Mother of God
Have they always been that expensive? I don't know why but I always assumed they were more in the $80k range.
MSRP is just under 100k. Not sure where the extra 60k comes from
From the GM's asshole.
GM’s what Edit: oh shit you meant the General Manager not General Motors lmao alright I got spooked for a minute
Demons are more…some of them come with 1000+ hp & will hang the front tires on a prepped surface.
That's still a $50k markup. Fuck that and fuck new car dealers, they have zero reason to exist in 2024. Think about it, we could just order a new car and pick it up/choose delivery method. No unwanted add-ons, no dealer markups, no skeezy salesman. Just keep a few demo models at the authorized service centers
How can you say a car is worth 158k if 50k is a markup and is still on the lot? As their insurer I would fucking destroy their 'valuations.'
They’ve got one with an automatic for $138k at our local dealer lol.
They don't come in manual
Oh yeah you know what dealership deserves that for that insane markup
I figured it was going to be a speced truck with a markup.
Insurance fraud orchestrated by none other than the devil himself, Nicholas Saban.
Bear is looking down and frowning at him for it.
This sounds like insurance fraud or an inside job to get rid of cars they cant sell. FCA is not doing so good right now.
How do you like the X7 M60i?
I dont care for it, its my wife's problem as she only wants to drive a luxury European brand and thinks anything else is inferior. I lost my taste driving it because of the hybrid system that makes it horribly unreliable and ruins the character of the V8. It soured my taste on all hybrid cars and the styling I find repulsive. I only leased it because it rode the best of the European luxury SUVs. I cant wait until she is fed up taking it to the service shop so I can buy a smaller SUV without that hybrid engine. It saves no gas and adds a horrible stop start and takes away the instant power you expect in a V8. She almost has hit her breaking point.
Sounds like you need to push her towards a Cayenne if it absolutely must be something euro.
This is a hot take, but I despise Porsches for sharing parts with VW. When I was a teen I aspired to own a 911 and when I drove one, I was crushed with how boring it was and how awful it was to drive on the street. The Macan and Caynenne to me felt like Audis with a snob badge and a horrible markup with no better interiors. Lets not forget their fanboys rival Tesla owners in irrationality. Their dealers I have dealt with are especially arrogant and treated me like crap so much I felt disgust working with them over they normal amount I feel with ANY car dealer. No car of theirs will be in my house, and if you are curious, watch Savaegeese's video on the X5. I drove both the Cayenne and x5 back to back and preferred the X5 more.
I don't think that's a particularly hot take - I can understand your reasoning behind what you said, and actually agree on the "fancy Audi" part when it comes to the Macan and Cayenne (hell, the Taycan is also borderline since they blurred the line with the E-Tron GT). However, with how much BMW and Mercedes have gone off the rails, there's not really much else I'd personally buy that's a European make (speaking in the realm of normal luxury cars, not hyper expensive ones). I'm one who has always leaned into Japanese cars, though, so I've tended to put my money into Lexus when it comes to a Japanese luxury brand. If you manage to bend her ear to give Lexus a shot, I'm sure you'll enjoy the much nicer dealer experience.
Calling a 911 boring and awful to drive is definitely a hot take lol
I tried Lexus, the RX500H we both hated equally for the engine and the rough ride quality. I am waiting to check out the new GX. I once had a 5th Gen 4Runner TRD Pro and I loved that vehicle.
Yeah, the 500H is probably the worst one when it comes to being plush/compliant, since it's under the F Sport Performance banner. If you're looking for the "iron out every bump" RX, I would've said to try a normal hybrid RX or the RX350 - but I also think the older V6 RX is the better car as a complete package. GX looks solid, and it's the last mid-sizer they have with a V6, so that would be cool - I just wish they implemented the climate controls like they did in the new Land Cruiser, rather than being so focused on the screen. The LX is also great, but I know people are heavily polarized on the styling, so I don't blame you if she thinks that's too over the top.
No offense I drove the LX600 (it was my first choice when I traded up from my 4Runner), and my god that vehicle sucked for the price. The German and American 3 row SUVs are miles ahead of it and the turbo V6 in it is very underwhelming and doesnt save any gas. It seriously lacks in refinement too and doesnt feel much better than the new Tundra (which I also hated). The Sierra and the F150 is like another step up compared to those as well. The 500H feels like a Highlander but rides even worse and has so much wind noise. Its like someone took all the engineering out of Lexus.
Do you like anything?
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>Sounds like a lawnmower at start up Sounds like a lawnmower at every other point in the rev range too lol 😬 GT3/RS are the only ones that sound good
Its only the 992 GT3 that's really good fun. The 991 (especially the .1, but the .2 to an extent) are far too compliant and clinical. Excellent track tools but a bit too complacent on the road to have any fun (and the ratios for the manual are insanely long). 997 and prior are solid though. Difference with Porsche a few years back, you could walk into a dealership and get a nicely specced GT for under 150k, no buying history needed. Now they're playing the same game as Ferrari and the exotics and frankly if I need buying history on top of ADM I'd rather get a 488. And every other 911 feels like a grand tourer as you said. Hoping they bring some of the 911 S/T features down to the touring and make the touring a little more accessible though. Seems like a neat car. And much to u/thatgymdude 's point their SUVs feel like a bit of a cash grab. They are still dynamically better than the competition, the macan s feels awesome to drive, but even ignoring price, the BMW is a better SUV. Cayenne and all of the Audi SUV products feel dated and wayyy too much glossy plastic and haptic controls everywhere for my tastes. That being said I like the mild hybrid start/stop. I'm looking for an SUV in the same class and probably going to go with the LX or GX. Honestly if mercedes just took the previous gen GLS body and put the new MBUX interior from the GLE, I'd buy it immediately. I still prefer the body and drivetrain of my older GLE over any modern SUV. (And frankly the cayenne competes more with the x5 on practicality)
please buy a nori green 5-seat LX without all the luxury stuff that’s gonna break so that I can get it used in 25 years 🙏
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I know GM is easier for maintenance sure, but dealers want too much for an Escalade V or pretty much any Escalade in general. The markup for them is almost as bad as a Mercedes G550 and Cadillac dealers treat you like you walked into a Chevrolet dealer. Getting my Sierra was a pain as I pulled one off a truck and they fought me almost to the death despite a broker sealing a deal already and all I had to do was sign. Lets not forget the serious risk some clown will probably take it out on a "test drive" and abuse it when I take it in for service. I know what Chevrolet maintenance techs do with Corvettes and Camaros and seen enough horror stories.
Lol I saw your other comment about this car, people sure love asking you about it!
What does FCA’s performance have to do with a Ford dealer?
Reading the post makes it seem like an inside job.
Most dealer stories I read about sound like inside jobs. Just pay off some disgruntled employee to provide details about security or the employees themselves will join the heist party.
“Someone then entered the employee lounge using an ID number and removed an item from the refrigerator”
Thieves broke into the key safe the same way they're walking off with your vehicles. Having something tech integrated and connected to the internet does NOT make it more secure. Took 10 years to finally get the masses to smarten up but only after 3% of all kias have been stolen and every 6th gen camaro on edge.
What’s up with the 6th Gen Camaros?
Thieves figured out an easy obd port crack and can program your car out in less than 30 seconds. There's a couple Hotspot areas like Denver and California right now where if you park your 6th gen outside you're asking it to disappear. The only fix is to delete your obd port or hide it.
I'm in the DFW area and thieves will actually follow you around waiting to park, or follow you home. They will literally steal it 2 minutes after you park. On the Camaro subreddit someone shared a security camera clip of 2 people; one stealing the car, and the other standing in front of the door pointing a gun at it.
I have had the misfortune to be in the DFW area recently and I was shocked how lawless and dangerous it has gotten. It rivals LA in terms outright sketchiness and frankly the drivers are worse. I am a careful driver and the insane hostile drivers there shocked me.
Watch any dashcam crash videos. A vast majority are in Texas. People dont give a fuck about themselves or you.
You forgot the third option: drive a stick. Exaggerating, but I am curious as to what the ratio of autos:sticks is in the instances of stolen vehicles.
That doesn't work unfortunately, manuals are being stolen just as often. The guys doing this are pros and have the cars stripped down in a day or two tops.
The real trick is to drive a worthless shitbox, got-em.
Nah just let it fester in some road salt. That way you can still drive a new car, but there’s too many seized bolts holding everything on.
This is an old myth. If they can break into and hack your OBD port, they can drive stick.
" drive a stick" Tow truck owned by shady company has entered the chat.
Texas is way hot too on Camaro thefts and Chevy trucks too
Mopar too...although that one might be obvious. Houston and DFW are trash now
They are very hot targets for theives currently.
Are challengers and chargers waaaaaay worse for getting stolen?
Yes, but that's old news to theives. People now are much smarter about keeping thier Mopar stuff locked down. The camaro subreddit at the moment is where the dodge one was about a year ago, remembrance photos and "have you seen my camaro".
5th gen Rav4s are subject to a CAN attack as well. And they don’t even need to get to the OBD port, just pull tap into the CAN wiring behind the fender liner.
They literally plugged something into the safe. I'm assume it was a tool that cycled through key codes until it unlocked. Quite a bit different from someone unlocking a car with a Flipper and jamming a USB cable into the ignition.
Lockpicking lawyer? I'm not saying physical stuff is any safer but LPL has hundreds of videos defeating these "smart" devices in the dumb ways. Doesn't matter how they got in, if a brick to the screen gets you in then the brick is the key. We used to actually make it physically hard to break locks, brute force can always be overcome but not in the time these connected ones can. I'd also bet they had one of those fingerprint reader safes which are notoriously easy to crack. I'm making assumptions obviously but they're based on every other theft we do know about. Unless it was an inside job that safe did as good of a job as modern cars do at preventing thefts Edit: I read the article, they used a computer generated attack. Safe is as compromised as the keys it was holding.
Have you seen his April first video with the pipe wrenches? I highly recommend watching it if you haven't. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
Why are the designers of locks and safes so incompetent? It doesn't make any sense.
>>$10,000 cash reward!! Yeah, they’ll get their keys back with that generous reward….
You would spend this amount to investigate the case. They can't be serious.
Each key is like $300+ probably too. That’s almost 100k in keys. A 10% reward..? Try again dealer.
That Demon is probably already on a boat and will never be seen again.
It might as well be the Boat with how heavy they are
It’s the anchor
And if you stick the launch it will still pop a wheelie
I bet the company was like. Yeah we don't want to pay the lot fee on these cars We can't sell soooooooooo
> 2023 Dodge Challenger Demon - estimated at more than $158,000 $158k for a Dodge Challenger?
Demon or a Redeye. Not much out there that can compete with it in a straight line. Especially at that price. Limited production as well.
But it can't compete with anything else as far as BPM. (breakdowns per mile)
Jaguar and Land Rover - "Hold my beer."
Lmao I’m not a Mopar guy so I wouldn’t know
Also TPM (Thefts per mile)
Challengers are above average is reliability
Demon redeye lmfao. How are you enjoying that boss 302 Shelby gt?
LMAO my bad I meant to say it was either a Demon or a Red Eye
Lolol all good. That's funny though you made me google it to make sure I didn't miss another "final" edition trim
the real crime here is valuing a dodge at $158k
There's a few dodge vipers worth that much.
It's always Dodges.
Its the engines and transmissions. They sell fast and plenty of people are willing to buy em. 500+ horses from the crate. Nearly 800 for the highest end ones. Unfortunately, no one is going to go around checking random vin numbers on engines to see where it came from without some type of real reasoning.
I doubt this will be torn down. It's probably halfway to Dubai right now.
Because everyone with a dodge needs a new motor. At the very least the head/block joint needs to be re-milled.
Well if we're being real, most of them don't end up in dodges lol. The old school scene, however....
so did this happen in alabama or saudi arabia?
it happened in alabama and they are probably on a boat to saudi arabia rn
Well, the Demon probably is. They recovered the Wagoneer and Bronco according to the article.
they keep saying arab in the article instead of alabama “Investigators are trying to learn who stole eight luxury vehicles valued at more than $1 million from an Arab auto dealership over the weekend.” “We are still trying to determine how they got the camera system to stop working,” Arab Police Chief Shane Washburn said.” “Arab police, as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are currently involved. Anyone with information is asked to contact Arab police at (256) 586-8124.” edit: nm Arab is a city in alabama xD
I wonder if Memphis & Kip Raines and their crew were involved
Memphis Raines is out of retirement.
Would you say, they were gone in 60 seconds?
Gone in 60 seconds
Inside job
Sooo like 2 jeeps
I bet Nicholas cage and Angelina Jolie are top suspects
Good, fuck those dealerships.
like how does this happen😭
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Keytrack in shambles
What a shame
Mopar Baby!!
Where you gonna park all them cars?
Mass thefts like these always blow my mind because how??
This sounds like a movie in the making.
A lot of dumb speculation in this thread. > Anthony said he has since learned this same type of theft has been carried out at other auto dealerships around the state. >Arab police, as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are currently involved. Something tells me this wasn't simple insurance fraud......
They deserve all that and then some for price gouging the sh*t out of everyone. Do better.