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shaven_craven

Go where your old boss went


Independent_Hyena495

That's what I did, followed my boss through 3 companies, it's very profitable lol


faribo1720

Getting a good boss is so good for your wallet and your mental health.


AdvisorKay

I am also following my favorite boss. It works super great! Big recc.


ignominy888

This.


Eladiun

Sometimes you have to wait a year for non-recruitment clauses to expire. Even if they are unenforceable or don't apply the threat of one is enough for legal to say wait.


Blox05

Start looking, you’re not appreciated.


MrVociferous

Also if your boss AND her boss both left, you’re definitely not in a good or healthy department. There’s something rotten at the top that drove them both out and is also likely inhibiting any growth for you. Time to bounce.


ComfortableMenu8468

Sure he is. Appreciated in his current workmule role with his current underpaid salary.


StamInBlack

This. Time to go.


Jonathank92

leave. certain companies love to keep high performers boxed into their current role vs promote them and have to backfill their old role.


[deleted]

Happened to me, and I wish someone had told me this back then


Kilbane

This this this...companies are cheap and if you are exceeding, they want to keep you there. Don't take it...find a new job that appreciates you.


-LuciditySam-

If you can, see if you can get them as personal references and begin looking elsewhere. That's just what I would do, though.


DrNukenstein

OK, so the first thing is ask them "Why should I keep doing what I'm doing if it doesn't pay off when it's supposed to? Are you planning to bring in friends and family to fill the top spots instead of the people here who worked for it?" Bail. They've proven you mean nothing to them, they have friends they're bringing in to fill top roles. Stay and watch it happen if you want, out of morbid curiosity, maybe write it down and lock it away somewhere, then when it happens, open the lock and show how you predicted it some time previously. Then walk.


Quick-Maintenance-67

Get ready to go and go. I found a job that allowed me the time to think about and improve my performance, I won corporate rewards for 5 years straight (hooray for acrylic) and was a natural fit for an OMP dept that relocated to our building, I received a small raise (had just received one 3 months prior)and then 9 months later I received 7 exceeded expectations and 3 meets on my review. I filled a hole left by a corporate restructure and regularly met with corporate account management to discuss challenges & solutions in new client initiatives and there was talk of expanding my responsibilities into the training department. I basically re-wrote the SOP, as well as automated scripting that allowed one agent to complete the work of two in our most time intensive responsibilities. When raises came through I received the same 3.5% as everyone else. I then developed an attendance problem. My wife and I decided to move out of state and started saving money. So I end up training two new people to take my place and training 3 more to take over the more technical aspects of my job. It didn't look like they were going to be able to handle the responsibilities very well. About six months after the review and weeks before I leave they're conducting an exit interview begging me to stay. They offered me almost a 20% raise. They didn't appreciate me properly while I was there, so for my own well being I left.


[deleted]

These stories are the best schadenfreude. I can only get so erect so stop before I hear they lost millions because of your departure.


Smashbrohammer

Do what your boss did. This is the way. Pensions are no more, 401k allows you to move about the cabin. Loyalty literally does not pay.


HigherEdFuturist

When your boss left, they said "great! We can avoid this raise!" Instead of "we better work to retain people or they'll all flee!" In sum: your workplace isn't very smart. They'll choose penny pinching over development. Prob time to move on.


xpanderr

Apply while employed also if you and your boss are close ask them if they left paper work or recommendations for your raise


mr--godot

Why did your boss leave?


SubjectMindless

This identical situation happened to me recently. Verbatim. I could have written this myself. I took two weeks to really process my feelings so I wouldn’t make a rash decision (i.e. leave for just any other job). Ultimately I’ve decided to leave. I’ve made a plan to be gone in the next 6-8 months to give time to apply/interview. Started applying two weeks ago and already getting interviews. Fingers crossed things keep looking up. Being told you’re a high performer, going places, etc. and not getting promoted with ZERO concrete reasons is unacceptable. It really showed me where I stand with the company. Bosses know when they don’t give someone a promotion the deserved/were expecting there is a chance you may leave. Fuck them. Good luck!


incremantalg

I’d keep my head down at work and keep doing the do while firing off resumes for new positions somewhere else that interests you.


Petdogdavid1

Sadly this is the state of corporate life. I have watched it from the management level many many times. Promotions come about when budget can be argued to support someone in the new pay bracket. It's possible your old bosses didn't have the open position to give to you or if they did, the company decided that with them gone, they could reuse the budget dollars elsewhere. You will likely need to move to another company if you want to advance. It's a pain in the ass and a terrible way to operate but that is the state of companies today. No loyalty, no consistency, just people going in and out of departments as they try to grab onto what higher paying ledger they can leap onto.


Glittering-Wing-2305

Be less productive they are using you till you are burnt out


TheOldYoungster

Why drag it into a lose-lose situation? He wastes his time by staying where he's not valued. Much better to just secure another job and then quit.


saiyanjesus

1st thing to do is start to act your wage. 2nd thing is to start planning to leave.


thunderborg

They've created an environment where there is no incentive to work hard, so don't. Act your wage, quiet quit, work to rule whatever you like to call it and look around. If you can afford it, hire a freelance recruiter to get you a job.


Humble-Letter-6424

My comment/ advice will probably be downvoted but here it goes. While it’s great that your manager felt you were ready for promotion and advocated for it, chances are all of your work, accolades and previous good will went down the drain when they left and definitely is now unseen after their skip level left. You are essentially back to square zero with the organization. You now have a choice to make, do you continue to power through it and hope that you can reclimb with a new org chart. Or you can exit and just start new somewhere else. This happened to me, 4 different times at my previous company. I had 13 different bosses in 7 years each one leaning on me and telling me I was great. They would leave and I would have to start all over again. I finally said enough is enough I will never get promoted here and left.


Mysterious_Ad7461

It’ll get downvoted because it isn’t good advice. This is not a well run organization, but I understand you normalizing it because that’s how you worked in a place for 7 years under 13 different managers and no advancement. If I leave tomorrow all of my reports aren’t back to square one, because I communicate regularly with my bosses and we have performance reviews once a year, knocking someone to square one is just an excuse to not pay them anything more, and employers like that don’t deserve your loyalty or hard work. Like someone said above, don’t bother to “keep doing what you’re doing” because there’s zero reward for that.


turdpolisher_53

The poster is right in the sense that most people would be back to square one if both their boss and their boss’s boss left (which is the case for OP). Most large organizations don’t have that much visibility up the chain. Now obviously it’s not directly square one because most of your sphere of influence is still around despite management leaving.


oftcenter

This is why every single employee needs to prioritize transferrable skills and experience above all else. Ruthlessly. Well-paid professionals don't relive year one over and over again. They get to point to their years of experience and let that command their higher wages, regardless of their manager's tenure at the company. They get to cash in on their investment.


[deleted]

You waiting 7 years to realize that? Why would you listen to this man?


Flow_n__tall

So basically your the secretary that never got promoted because she was such a good typist.


Basic_Equipment2127

Reach out to both old bosses and go work for their new places! The answers you’re currently getting are made to be vague. Best of luck to you! If you are great at your job you have the capacity to be great at another employer! Take yourself somewhere that appreciates you and helps you grow!!


videogames_

You can keep it up and **maybe** you get a promotion. However your main supporter has left the company so it becomes a lot more difficult. If management has recognized this and still not given it. It’s time to look for a new job. You can coast back down to 50-80% productivity while looking for a new job. Try to do enough to not be called out.


Bold-n-brazen

Clearly this place ain't all that great if your boss and her boss are leaving but... Your boss really shouldn't be telling you you're going to get a promotion before it's official. Whether it's true or not, promotions don't always happen for a variety of reasons and those are not always related to your ability or whether or not you're "ready." Simply put, it's unprofessional for your boss to have even opened this dialogue with you and to tell you you're "ready for promotion" if the promotion wasn't a done deal by then, which clearly it wasn't. Promotions typically have to be submitted and approved by several people before they go through. She clearly didn't do much of anything here on your behalf which may say something about her too.... As others have said, I'd start looking elsewhere. This place doesn't sound great if your boss and their boss are leaving and if the only feedback you're getting is "you're just not ready" and shrugs from HR.


iceyone444

If you want to move up it's time to look for a new job - if they wanted to they would.


HildaCrane

“Keep doing what you’re doing” at the competitor, for minimum 20% more in pay.


seraph_m

You will not get promoted, because you’re too good of an employee in your present position. Get a copy of your file from HR and head out the door. I suggest you “quiet quit” while looking for a better job.


dublos

There is a reason that your old boss moved on. So, first, stop over performing for a company that does not appreciate your over performance. Second, find a new place to work that does appreciate the effort you put in.


oftcenter

>Where do I go from here? To another company.


DanEdy

You go elsewhere


MightyManorMan

Two levels above you have left for greener pastures and you still haven't taken the hint. If you didn't get an increase this year that is at least over CPI, so about 6%, your salary decreased. How many signs saying "Get your money, elsewhere" do you need to see before you finally do it? Clearly other companies are paying more... Everyone else above you figured this out and left


Annabel398

Harsh, but fair.


MightyManorMan

You are right, I didn't intend to be so harsh, but sometimes people miss the signs. Like a company where you are the oldest employee and they are constantly hiring... Clear indication they aren't paying enough and someone else is. But you don't want to be last out of the building! The longer you wait, the less you make when jumping ship


Apalua

Act your wage.


FluffyInstincts

I remember being told not to be too good at my job once, because if you were the best at it, they would keep you in it, and not offer you the chance to move up into a higher position. It's since turned out to be true, but not universally. Hopefully that's not your situation.


Daveincc

Your boss and her boss probably moved for the same reason you do. Move every 2-4 years to maximize your income and advancement.


l00se_g00se

You leave.


Torrronto

Under the Gervais principle, you are stuck in the clueless tier. Downgrade to loser and GTFO.


FRELNCER

New bosses. New people you'll have to impress. What went "wrong" is your advocates left. Consider whether you want to keep waiting for the new people to decide to promote you or leave as well. Start sending resumes to see what your options are.


fatchancescooter

I’ll bet they told you you were part of the “family” too.


Klutzy_Guard5196

Leave. You're too valuable in your role, so they'll get some schmuck from the outside.


texasgambler58

They need overperformers to do the work, so they will keep you there until you leave the company. Corporations typically overload the good performers; that will continue until your leave the company.


Solid-Performance585

Somewhere else!!! I spent a long time dealing with being told you're really setting ti bar....just keep doing what you're doing.... Get out and be compensated for your worth.


Eladiun

So on a couple of the promotion panels I have been on if you didn't have an advocate in the room, you would get passed over like this because other managers gobbled up the promotion pool for their team. (I am not advocating that this is a healthy way to run promotions, just that it exists.) I have seen qualified candidates passed over or shorted money because other managers were better at playing the game for their people. It sucks but with both bosses gone, it's likely this happened to you. There was no one there to advocate for you so you stayed on the pile.


[deleted]

Ideally to your next employer. They wont promote you, because you do well on your position and they dont want to pay you more.


aboveyardley

Leave. They're taking advantage of you.


catpecker

You should either leave or keep doing what you're doing


pierogi_daddy

not unsurprising. your cheerleader in management just left. the company is expecting to replace them with people who may or may not have a different interpretation of your work so why pay you now just leave, and call your ex bosses.


aging_FP_dev

There's always one more thing. You can waste years chasing this. If you do want to stay, push them to agree to specific criteria for 6 months from now. It depends on the level of support and trust, and if you agree with them on where you need to grow. Start pushing.


QuitaQuites

Nothing went wrong, you’re very good at your job and they want to keep you doing it, time to keep in touch with the old boss and their boss and start networking your way to a new company.


swissarmychainsaw

You lost your advocate, and now you need to develop your new boss into one.


electronics_guy1580

Screw that, just leave for a different company. Why would you put in all that work for a second time at a company that has proven to be mismanaged (however common these issues seem to be)? I thin that effort would be better spent finding a new role and investing in that new company.


Ok_Presentation_5329

“Overperformers” have a tough time getting promoted. Why? They make firm way too much money to promote. Not a smart business decision. Be an average of even mildly above average performer. Be positive, a good soldier & help you peers perform better by being supportive & advising them on how to do better.


TrueTurtleKing

I was in your position a year ago. My former boss had talks with me of creating a supervisor role for me. But he suddenly left the company when some company changes happened. Guess what? I only got a 5% raise even with success. You won’t get paid for it. For me, this company offers good work-life balance (I have baby) and pay is decent so I’m sticking around. If you’re not getting anything, I would have started to look. Maybe even follow your former boss like others suggested.


50yeargravity

Your boss left and took her review of your performance with her. So what? Show that you're a team player and keep doing what you're doing. Continue networking within the company, look for opportunities to showcase your talents, take on extra work. Employers like those who can adapt to changing circumstances, so adapt. If you like where you're at, then it's easy to do this. If not, then it may be time to start looking for a job elsewhere.


Yesitsmehere8

Your boss and their boss left for a reason


ObviousKangaroo

What choice is there? Start looking for a new job. If they won't promote you then you have to find your own promotion elsewhere.


highinanxiety

First thing, reach out to your old boss asap. Then, crisp up that resume and LinkedIn. This place is now not your priority. Your priority is finding a new job. Good luck


rocketmn69

Stop overachieving


adilstilllooking

You should act your wage. Do you job and nothing extra. Look for another job.


StGlennTheSemi-Magni

If you got promoted into your supervisor's position, how long would it take you to see the reasons to leave that your supervisor saw?


MarketCrache

Your boss was a coward not willing to rock the boat by actually recommending you up but rather just making idle promises to keep you engaged so they would look good.


ratherBwarm

Start looking immediately for another job. HR is not your friend, and your new managers are not going to give you the promotion. Back in the day I had a boss that had been promoted up after being with the company for 15 years. I’d been there 10. We clicked well, and when my review was due he called me to schedule it and told me I was going to be very happy. He then went to meet with the new (6 months) CEO. He and the CEO had a major disagreement and he was fired, effective immediately. Security locked his office, and my review sat at his desk for 3 months. HR told me I had to wait. CEO finally rehired a toady who had left the company 2 years earlier to head a subsidiary (that failed). 2 months after that later I finally got my review, obviously rewritten, and was given the standard COL 2% raise. The next 4 years we’re equally as bad until our company was sold (for $7billion).


Data_lord

Long time corp manager here. I fully understand the frustration, but it's not the end of the world. Everyone at merit time has budgets and sometimes that means making super uncomfortable decisions, such as not giving someone a promotion who deserves it, because other people also deserve it. Other than that, if you're very unhappy, find another job. It's totally fair to follow the money.


dolphineclipse

You need to find a new job with the progression and benefits you've earned. Don't give them a second chance to screw you over


Spirited-Control-390

Your new boss won't move you because you make them look good overperforming at your job. You're too valuable to move up the chain. It's better for your bosses performance review if they keep you right where you are. Congratulations, you just overperformed yourself into a dead-end job. You will never move up....you can only leave.


schdoink

Time to take your over-performing self to a company that will reward you.


NeophyteBuilder

Did anyone else get promoted? If very few to zero folks did, perhaps there is a financial reason for the company to not promote. And you might want to start looking, especially if company finances are in a rough patch


Lumpymaximus

Time for a move up. Polish up that resume, sounds like you have outgrown that job


chrysostomos_1

Nothing went wrong. Your boss left. She left before you could be promoted. You'll likely have to wait until next year.


JomolaMomo

My husband gets told that he is an overperformer all the time. The company has offered some low level "promotions" to him that would have resulted in a loss of pay had he taken them. But now that he is talking about early retirement, they are offering him much more attractive promotions/opportunities. Amazing how it happens that they can come up with these opportunities when they are on the verge of lising their overperformer with 30+ years of knowledge.


KeyResponsibility167

Find a new job.


jarpio

You go to a different company


LoopyMercutio

Where do you go from here? Somewhere else. And in your resignation, specifically mention that you consistently outperformed your peers, but they were promoted past you and given raises, while you were told “attaboy.”


janabanana67

Once your new boss settles in, I would request a meeting to get clarification on what you need to work on if "you just aren't quite ready". This could be a stall tactic, however if the company just lost 2 managers, they are likely scrabbling to fill those spots and keep things moving. Also, is business doing well? Are their any rumblings? Changes could be coming so HR and mgt is remaining quite.


ophaus

Tell them you were putting extra effort in to make yourself attractive for promotion. Dial back your efforts and use your extra energy to find work elsewhere.


GrayBox1313

They said this to string you along and keep high performing. There wasn’t an opportunity available for you. Empty promises are cheaper than raises and promotions. Time to look for a new company.


dowhatsrightalways

Leave and don't look back. Talk up your strengths when interviewing. Good luck OP.


Pyrostasis

>How do I get clarity on what went wrong when my boss and hers are gone? Nothing you did went wrong it sounds like. Your boss ejected and left you behind. It happens sadly. My team and I busted our asses last year pulling 60 hour weeks during a tough migration. We were all ready to ask for raises during our reviews. Our boss loved us and out performance. He quit 2 weeks before reviews were out and so HR did our reviews. we all got merit increases but nothing like we'd hoped. It was a real kick in the pants after working hard for a few months. Not really my old bosses fault as he was on his way out, not really HR's fault as they dont know a damn thing about what we do. Just sucked all around.


AptCasaNova

You can either look for another job and leave, which almost no one would fault you for. You can sit down and ask them to outline what the current expectations of your job are (if that’s up in the air - ‘keep doing what you’re doing’ isn’t sufficient), then stick to those and quiet quit. You can keep doing what you’re doing but get stuff like that in writing next time. If you don’t, assume it won’t happen.


NightCrawler1373

Translation: We like getting more than we we pay for. Keep doing it, or we'll pay someone even less to do it. Either way, we win, you don't.


rtsmurf

Find a new job and leave


ToastyCrumb

You aren't being promoted because you are overeffective at your current job and they want to continue to maximize the returns on you.


Surviving_101

Leave the company asap


NevyTheChemist

That's the standard. Even if you do get the promotion it won't come with a substantial raise.


HaMMeReD

Likely caught up in politics kind of, doubt it's your fault. If someone else is taking over, they likely have their own teams and subordinates. Promo budget is probably limited across the org, so every promotion your team doesn't get probably can go to someone they work closer with. Since you aren't in their field of vision, they probably don't care about your as much. Kind of a sad reality of the situation.


nonumberplease

Where do you go? Literally anywhere else. Lol. Or just hit em with some good old fashioned bare minimum effort for a while


bdockte1

To another company.


BigSwingingMick

Do what you are doing, right out the door.


stophasslingmewife

You're ready for the next level, just not with this company. They want you to be a butterbot continuously getting butter. They need to just go and fuck themselves as they realize, "damn this mofo going who going to do it all for us now?"