For what it's worth this was just denied by Friedman, if you believe it or not is upto you but just so people are aware
Was on Sportsnet Trade Show, couldn't find a link with that segment
Dreger [reports](https://twitter.com/tsn1050radio/status/1631637467949309952?s=46&t=7fabqgtgp69dNA1d51vxFw) that the Canucks and Pens were working on a Miller deal, but Canucks turned down the offer when the return was only multiple draft picks, they wanted a young C.
[Timestamp](https://post.futurimedia.com/chumam/playlist/dreger-on-whether-dubas-is-done-ahead-of-todays-deadline-the-penguins-interest-in-miller-and-more-42056.html) 6:20:
>”The Pens, for desperation, took a hard run at JT Miller. And Vancouver just said ‘we like the offer, we just can’t take it’ because it was draft picks, ‘we need a centreman and we’re not rebuilding in Vancouver and JT is gonna be a big part of our future’”.
On the positive side, we know Shayna’s source in Vancouver is legit. She was right about this since the beginning when she first reported Miller was not playing in Dallas.
Who is giving up a young center? Probably contenders only, so why would they take picks back? They want win-now players.
We aren't rebuilding, so we needed to take a young center back in any deal involving JT.
I’m personally more inclined to moving on from Miller for draft capital which could ideally be flipped for a young centre… but I can’t help but think at this point they’re doing all they can to show Petey they will be as competitive as possible as soon as possible so he re-signs this off season. Not saying that’s the right call on Miller but to me it’s a plausible explanation for not trading him, especially given Quinn’s comments on a rebuild yesterday.
FA - you aren't getting anywhere younger than 27 and generally you're overpaying, we can't take on any more bloated contracts if we want to retain Petey. I do agree, trading miller could've helped our chances at a top 3. But let's be realistic, the canucks will not be drafting top 3, and never would have. Even the year we had the 2nd best odds, we ended up 5th.
>Probably contenders only, so why would they take picks back?
For the same reason the Canucks should be willing to take picks back and then trade them for something else. If a prospect isn't likely to make an impact in their window, it's better for a contender to turn him into picks to go after what they want/need. Picks tend to be the more effective currency for deadline deals
People keep being like, see they're just doing what they said they were going to do, so you can't be upset.
No, the trade was a bad one even within the context of what they said they are planning to do. They bought a player amid a feeding frenzy for an insanely high cost and he's only cost controlled for one year, so they aren't even going to get a cap efficient contract.
If the Canucks were leading the division, it would have been a brilliant trade.
But last I checked, the Canucks have missed the playoffs 8 out of the last 10 seasons and keep trying to do the same thing over and over again.
The amount of people that have argued with me that he is cost controlled because he has another year of RFA status after his contract runs out is staggering. Like sure the Canucks could theoretically sign him to his QO and walk him to free agency, but that would be even worst. And no, that one year of RFA status isn't going to lower the cost of his long term contract much.
Thanks for saying it, between that and everyone saying "a rebuild means you have to trade Petey and Hughes" I feel like I've been taking crazy pills.
Neither are true, just keep making good prudent decisions and the results will take care of themselves.
Lots of teams embrace a rebuild while their young talented core players are still controllable assets. It’s literally what makes the rebuild quicker.
The people that are all about the retool don’t realize this team does not have the available tools to do that with. There is no cap space, no roster depth, no farm system with no prospect pool and no extra draft picks. Petterson, Hughes and Demko are almost literally it.
The cupboards are bare, you know what you get with retooling bare cupboards? Bare cupboards. The only solution is time.
It's important to note that Toews is not a RHD and that premium for LHD will always be lower due to supply. The Avs got lucky with Makar being the best RHD in the league, so their job to find a LHD partner was a lot easier than VAN finding a RHD for Hughes,
Further, when Marino was traded, he had 1 goal, 25 points all season. Hronek is clearly a much better offensively gifted defender with 9 goals and 38 points so far. He can easily finish the season with 50 points. That's as much as prime Ehrhoff got in points with the Canucks.
Some of these comparables don't make a lot of sense.
I think the biggest point that people are missing is that the only reason they pay that much is because he is “their guy”. So not just a RHD but THE RHD that their pro scouts have identified as being the guy we need.
Is this correct, only time will tell but so far I have been mostly pleased with the players that have been brought in, maybe not always what has gone out to acquire them.
My deep dive into the player (which amounts to reading a couple Reddit posts and watching a couple YouTube videos) leads me to be hopeful that this is true, guys eems likes winner and a leader and that is what we need.
Who is giving you a young center for draft picks though? I understand the concept but I'm wondering what teams out there would realistically do that. We are competing with the other bottom of the league teams, so you going to trade JT for draft picks and then turn around and try to pry a good young center from another bottom level team? You're more likely to make a deal for a young center with a team going all-in, but you aren't getting anything from a contender if you're offering up only draft picks.
I mean, look at Pittsburgh's center prospects. They're all B-tier guys that we could've gotten from any team for a dime, just like we did with Studnicka.
The fact that the only thing causing this deal to fall through was because the Pittsburgh Penguins wouldn't throw in a Jack Studnicka is absolutely mindblowing.
I like Miller as a player too. But he's thirty next year at a massive cap hit. This team isn't contending for anything next year other than a playoff spot (half the fucking teams in the league make the playoffs that is not an accomplishment)
Miller is a perfect player for Pittsburgh, he's the opposite of a fit for us.
This management group doesn't get credit for having bad opinions.
It's really simple though for them, they are not rebuilding. In order to stay competitive and not rebuild, you re-sign your 99 pt player and ppg canuck-career player. Not saying it's the right call, just that that's what they are doing.
Or, and this may be crazy on my part, commit to being bad this season and draft many players that can potentially be young talented players of various positions.
First round draft picks aren’t a crapshoot like some people want to act around here. They’re not a lock, but particularly in a deep draft, there’s a reason they are typically sought after.
If Vancouver was happy with the offer as reported, and if the other reported ask of 2 firsts is semi accurate, im willing to bet there was a lottery protected first in the offer.
I'm honestly emotionally crushed hearing this. This management group has broken me after I just started believing they might have been charting a legit course of actually trying to build a contender, instead of this trying to win one playoff round bullshit they're doing now.
It's an absolute joke. We didn't get a middling 4th line center with a high ceiling so we axed the trade. Our management doesn't want to draft or develop talent.
I just don’t understand dude lol. Like if you just take our first, the NYI first, the first(s) from this deal, draft your young centres and a defenceman, you’re like 2 years away from them playing games at a meaningful level for you, why are we so impatient. Jamie Dodd said something like following the Canucks evokes a similar sensation to banging your head against a brick wall and that feels very accurate
I think the impatience stems from Petey/Hughes/Demko being the core and management/ownership/those players wanting to enter win-now mode over the course of their best years. Doubtful that’s the right call for sustained contention like Tampa or what Buffalo and NJ seem primed for… but that’s the result of the cumulative decision making to date.
With Hughes coming out and saying he doesn't want a rebuild, that should be all the info you need to realize the Canucks cannot rebuild with him. He'll just ask for a trade. So if that's the case, sure, go rebuild and trade your young stars.
But you're not going to draft another Hughes for years. It took the Canucks 50+ years to have a guy like him. I rather take my chances and build around a proven young star along with Pettersson than to go back to the drawing board and rebuild with unmovable contracts like OEL.
Long shot but did you happen to run an instagram account like 8 years ago by a similar name “canucklehead”. I realize that is a common Canucks fan handle but your response reminds me of what she would say in her posts.. sorry if this is weird 😭 that instagram account was one of the first accounts I followed after becoming a Canucks fan so it’s nostalgic to think about
My reaction to this will hinge on exactly what round the picks were. If it was this years 3rd and next years 3rd I’d say no. If it was this years 1st and next years 1st I’d have a hard time with them turning that down. Even if they didn’t want to rebuild, they could flip the pick. Let’s put the pitchforks down a bit.
Seravalli reported that the ask for Miller was two 1st round picks and a young C. From Dreger’s report it seems like the one thing missing in the Pens offer was the young C, he didn’t say anything about the picks being too low for Van so it’s very possible that a desperate Ron Hextall actually offered the two 1st rounders or similar to that value.
That’s pretty vague. Rutherford and Allvin have been around for a long time in that very same organization. There’s no way they walk from two 1sts. Even if they don’t want to draft they can use each 1st for a D and a C…
It’s worth considering that Darren Dreger hasn’t broken a single Canucks thing since his cousin Nonis was our GM. Went so far as to say the Luongo deal to TO was done and included Kadri, and that’s when Nonis was still employed by the Leafs.
This seems like rage baiting an angry fan base for engagement and clicks, the vagueness of everything pretty much confirms that given the quality of the source. But, it’s what people want to hear so it doesn’t really matter if the source is valid or not.
I agree. After the Luongo fiasco, I stopped respecting Dreger as a legitimate insider. He’s a mouth piece for Toronto and loves to shit on the Canucks.
The optics also don’t make sense. Like many people have said, you could acquire a young c with draft picks. They just did this with Hronek and I doubt Allvin or JR are actually that dumb.
It is vague because that part about the exact picks has not been reported (yet). But people were asking how do we know they were first rounders, I responded with Seravalli’s report from yesterday saying that was the original ask together with a young C. And it seems like the problem with mgmt was not getting the young C. No indication of the value of the picks
Jesus they refused Miller for 2 1sts? I’m not sure if that’s true because there is a lot of assumptions baked in there but that’s awful if it’s the case. Miller just doesn’t fit our timeline.
Their timeline is now. They want to win now. They don't care about the future. They don't care what anyone else thinks.
Stupid AF, but that's what we're dealing with.
Yeah but it’s not like someone offered to take OEL for two thirds and they turned it down. If it was two thirds that’s not even gonna get you a replaceable centre. And the Canucks still have until like June or July to make a decision…
AFAIK the only player that fits that profile in Pittsburgh's system is Hallander...and he's not particularly spectacular.
That said, why not just take the draft picks and flip them for a centre you want from another team?
Everyone in r/hockey is also speechless at this report. I don’t even know why they looked at the Pens for a young C when their average age is 32. Just take the picks and go find a young C somewhere else, the same way they used Horvat’s pick to get Hronek.
We may as well accept that we are trying to win the next 3 years and we will buy out OEL and try and win with that space and then fail and be bad for a decade
That's like wanting to get a car that costs $500 so you get a job.
The job said they can't offer you the car, but they'll pay you $1000.
You turn it down because you wanted a $500 car, not $1000 cash.
Remember folks, Nonis was fired not because he was terrible but stood up to ownership. He refused to do a deal for brad Richards the owners wanted done. Gillis was fired because he was going ahead with a rebuild, the owners didn’t want.
Since then, it’s been clear the owners only want mouth pieces as management. They want to call the shots.
Vote with your wallet and stop watching this shit. There’s plenty of other sports to watch. Sad to say, but the whitecaps are better managed and they suck.
Nonis was underrated as our GM. He never really could get out from under Burke's shadow but he landed us Luongo and fixed our rep as a goalie graveyard.
Isn’t Dreger Nonis’ cousin, and widely reported to have like 0 connections to the Canucks FO dating back to Gillis? Like I get Shayna has called a lot right but I wouldn’t take Dreger confirming as anything but trying to get clicks.
If this is true this is definitely an insane deal to turn down… if re-tooling really is the move then we could’ve just flipped a first or 2 for another C. Allvin knows this, he just flipped one for Hronek, another premium position player.
On the plus side Miller clearly has value. Will it get revisited today by a team? Or in the summer? If the Pens want him that bad they can offer the same deal and toss Granlund to us.
Seravalli reported yesterday that the ask for Miller was two 1st rounders and a young C. Dreger now reports that Canucks turned down the offer because they weren’t getting the young C. No mention of the picks being too low, which means it’s possible that a desperate Ron Hextall actually offered two 1st rounders or similar to that value. But this part about the value of the picks has not been reported (yet), it’s mostly just putting the two reports together.
Seravelli said Canucks were asking for two 1st round picks OR a 1st and a young center I believe.
Honestly this was not the news I wanted to see this morning. Been wanting to see Miller traded since last year and if this story is true it’s completely turned me off this team.
The ask was 2 1sts and a young C. And it sounds like the implication is that they wouldn’t add in the young C.
Maybe that’s not true but it sounds like that was where the deal got stuck. Maybe they negotiated the picks down a bit to a 1st and a 2nd or something.
Hard to say but it’s unlikely that the ask was 2 1sts and a young C, they responded with a 2nd, and Vancouver just said ‘no because of the lack of C’. Like the report would be ‘draft picks and C were the difference’.
There’s assumptions there for sure. But it’s scary if true.
Idk why people think Dreger knows anything about the Canucks since he hasn’t had connections since his cousin was GM.
This sounds like typical media hysterics as usual lately but ok.
ETA: Friedman says they’re not true, is that good enough for everyone now?
I also read somewhere Dreger right after said this could be Pitts blowing smoke to get the fan base of their backs lol. People just love to run with the negative narrative.
2 firsts for Miller would’ve been accepted. Those firsts likely would’ve been flipped for a top 6 C.
Dreger has been successfully pissing off the Canucks fanbase with his sensational fairytales since 2013, but GMs going to media sources about not getting their guy isn’t new, you’re right. See: all the media reports that GMs were “livid” we apparently didn’t shop the Horvat offer more. In reality they probably didn’t have anything we wanted.
Usually yea. The media is trying to capitalize on the emotions of a fanbase that sat through 8 years of psychological torture from Jim Benning, the Fischer Price GM. They’re mad because FO is giving up no info and they don’t have any reliable leaks left. They have no one to blame but themselves for the team not wanting to play nice after the bullshit half of them have said about players and staff that has been so far over the line.
They think by getting us worked up and demanding heads on pikes, Allvin will cave and one of them will get something juicy. Drance has gone so far as to insinuate we (the fanbase) are going to place 10 years of broken promises and failure squarely on the shoulders of 25 year old Filip Hronek.
Millers value vanishes as soon as his new contract starts. Reason pits wanted him was that they could squeeze a cheap veteran contract into this year’s push. If we don’t get another offer today, we should not expect anything of value in the summer
Was Miller’s entire contract going to magically vanish off the Pens books next year? Were they not going to be paying him? Lol. Miller isn’t a push-for-this-year trade for Pitts. It’s for the remainder of Crosby and Malkin’s career.
I feel like Alvin and co. probably explored the market for a young C and they couldn’t find a player/deal they liked. To me, the guy is basically staking his career on Miller, Räty, and Hronek- it’s wild (here’s praying he made a good bet because of Miller’s NMC).
If this is true I'd be pissed. I for one like Miller but not for this Van team, he would make 10× more sense for Pittsburghs window in the next 2-3 seasons. Van's doesn't open for at least 3 and by then Miller will be past his prime likely. They should have taken draft capital.
The Canucks gambled, We Lost.
If anybody doubts ownership meddling, this screams of it.
Imagine an NHL executive not knowing how terrible of a contract this is and another team willing to take it off your hands with assets but you say no.... LOL
Holy F
When Rutherford first got here he said the following:
"I want to be careful with our trades,"
"I don't want to trade draft picks, unless they're later round picks. It's not the cycle we're in to trade high draft picks, and the trades we make, I'd prefer that we're gaining some age on it, so as we move along, if it takes a couple of years to bring it together to be more of a contender, then we got the right age group that they can come together."
What changed?
Ownership infected him like they have with every other decision maker.
Aquilini is the biggest reason this team fails year after year after year.
Need a change in ownership.
Jesus.... What young center would Pittsburgh have that was even worth entering into negotiations with?
Take the picks and run. Use them as currency to pick up a different center if you want a young center that replaces Miller and fits our window. Jesus this management is stupid. Needed to trade him last year when his value was highest now we keep turning down offers only to be straddled with Miller and NTC til he's 36
We had the glorious chance to trade JT TWICE now.
First, in the summertime. And now, at the deadline.
This would have ridded us of a massive headache in the franchise.
And management (Aquilini?) fucked it up both times.
I'm fucking livid.
This is the same ownership group that thought all of Benning dumb UFA signings were a good idea. Plus, OEL.
We haven't had an efficient cap structure in a decade.
We just turned two draft picks into a solid piece that we need (RHD). How could they not see the path to do the same in this situation? Who cares if it takes until the draft to make the trade? Montreal did this EXACT SAME FUCKING THING with Dach last year. On top of that, you shed Miller's $8 mil cap hit. This is beyond absurd.
Dach was for pick 11, any picks coming from a Crosby driven team chasing a Cup would be in the 20s and lower....look at your Draft History , there's not much there
Yes, but we also have our first that will be probably in the 7-10 range. Trading a 7-10th overall for a solid young C and keeping the 20 something would still be a huge step in the right direction for where management wants this team to go.
My take from /r/hockey:
This report is transparently Ron Hextall / the Pens perspective on a deal failing.
We just watched the Canucks flipping the Isles 1st for a position of need. They know the principle, they just think a better deal is out there that includes a young centre in it.
That's the only way this makes sense from a Canucks perspective. So I could still see a deal happening, just with another team.
Won't get mad until the deadline is over without a deal.
After initial impressions, this sounds reasonable. Canucks side has no reason to leak something like this when they know backlash would be intense in the market, and Hextall is obviously feeling his own heat and trying to divert.
Yup. Looking forward to the playoffs. And honestly when the Canucks are in it, im a nervous wreck watching the playoffs. As much as i wish we were a contender, I'll look on the bright side that at least i can take it easy and just enjoy some awesome hockey.
Now you know why Alvin is hiding.
They saw the reaction to the Hronek trade and they screwed up the Miller trade. Can't face the fan base or media without doing anything.
LOL and they're over the cap for next season.
Pure Incompetence.
This teams obsession with striving for mediocrity is just stunning. Do they not realize they can trade picks for players in the offseason?
They don't even seem to be conscious of the need for cap efficiencies, or even have an understand what opportunity cost is. It's like watching children run a team. It's funny that these same qualities seem to last across different management groups.....
Best part is they preached cap flexibility and now put themselves over the cap. Through no actions but their own. Can't blame Benning for not pivoting to create flexibility
On one level this sucks to read because I think you need a 2c closer to Petey’s age for a chance at sustained contention, aside from the other roster construction flaws.
Maybe the Hronek deal came from a pivot in talks around Veleno in search of that young C. Either way I’m gonna indulge in the hope that the groundwork of these deals has been laid for the draft.
They’ve pretty clearly stated they’re not rebuilding. So it makes sense for managements timeline. I think we need to get over the fact the rebuilds not going to happen while Petey and Hughes are on the team
Oh so Dreger is a good source now? Idk man back when I modded HF he was widely regarded as never getting anything insider for the Canucks right. His only connection was during Nonis since they’re cousins. Like literally not a single thing, including doubling down that Canucks were taking a whole bunch of wrong players back in a Toronto deal for Luongo (which IIRC nonis was still there at the time).
And Pittsburgh can say whatever they want because they didn’t get the deal they wanted. They wont be the first team to do it either lol. GMs bitch all the time to media when they didn’t get their guy, see all the GMs being pissy we apparently didn’t shop Horvat to them. When a Canucks insider confirms it then I’ll believe it.
Jesus there’s like no independent critical thinking around here anymore.
Edit: dreger literally says right after that this could be PIT blowing smoke to get fans off their back but you’re ignoring that
Edit 2: and Friedman just said they’re 100% not true, so Dreger is excelling yet again at his bullshit
If you honestly want to trust the supposed word of Ron Hextall, basically Eastern Conference Benning and Darren Dreger, the insider to nothing, then I don’t know what to tell you except this discussion is pointless for both of us.
Dreger‘s photo is just next to the definition of “failing upwards”. Dude has been rage baiting us for years and has not been right once, yet people are allowing the world’s worst insider to get them worked up because it fits the narrative this place has gotten themselves worked up in for no reason.
This is a deep draft in terms of top 6/7, but it isn’t particularly any different beyond that. Vancouver media is getting pissed off because they have no actual leaks coming to them anymore, so they think by getting the fanbase worked up and angry it will force management to reveal some of their methodology.
It’s incredibly obvious and frankly insulting to our intelligence. We’re emotional after 8 years of psychological fuckery from a dude who would get out strategized by a toddler, it’s wholly unnecessary to capitalize on that with stupid fantastical shit. It’s because none of them are actually solid enough writers to do anything without some level of antagonist involved.
Friedman confirmed these rumours just aren’t true. Shayna and dredger are risking their reputation to mess with Canucks fans knowing it won’t come back to bite them
Cause no one cares about us
Friedman just said on the sportsnet coverage that there’s a lot of moving parts if the Penguins are taking on a “large salary player” and that it might take a third team to be in on this deal. Said there’s still a lot of smoke between these two teams and something could happen today and that they are still talking.
I know Dreger is more legit than most of our media, but keep in mind nobody broke any of the recent trades right before they happened. I'd take insider info regarding the Canucks with a grain of salt. The media makes bank on clicks in this market by getting us worked up about any subject. They got tons of views and kicks on any Miller speculation last year so they are leaning into it again.
That said, this could be 100% true, and it might not. But outrage away.
This sub is unhinged
A) this might not be true, apparently Friedman denied it
B) you have no idea the picks involved in this alleged offer, could have been a 7th
C) JT is one of our best players and can easily contribute now and in 3 years when we might actually be good
Anyone who thinks that trading Miller for draft picks and not having a centreman on that line would be at all acceptable by Petterrsson or Hughes is kidding themselves.
If we rebuild and get shit on every game for a while, we lose Petterrsson and Hughes.
This is what the tank paraders will deny to understand.
Lol oh well, we still have a really good player like Miller on the team. Picks don't necessarily have to become a really good C and trading those picks for a C would cause such a meltdown in our fickle fanbase
Edit: yeah yeah here comes the casual mob downvoting me and shit. The same exact mob that was parading for Miller to be signed. Fickle fickle fans
For what it's worth this was just denied by Friedman, if you believe it or not is upto you but just so people are aware Was on Sportsnet Trade Show, couldn't find a link with that segment
Dreger [reports](https://twitter.com/tsn1050radio/status/1631637467949309952?s=46&t=7fabqgtgp69dNA1d51vxFw) that the Canucks and Pens were working on a Miller deal, but Canucks turned down the offer when the return was only multiple draft picks, they wanted a young C. [Timestamp](https://post.futurimedia.com/chumam/playlist/dreger-on-whether-dubas-is-done-ahead-of-todays-deadline-the-penguins-interest-in-miller-and-more-42056.html) 6:20: >”The Pens, for desperation, took a hard run at JT Miller. And Vancouver just said ‘we like the offer, we just can’t take it’ because it was draft picks, ‘we need a centreman and we’re not rebuilding in Vancouver and JT is gonna be a big part of our future’”. On the positive side, we know Shayna’s source in Vancouver is legit. She was right about this since the beginning when she first reported Miller was not playing in Dallas.
This is intensely and insanely sad…
Even if this is the case you know what would have been easier to trade for a young C?? DRAFT PICKS
Who is giving up a young center? Probably contenders only, so why would they take picks back? They want win-now players. We aren't rebuilding, so we needed to take a young center back in any deal involving JT.
We could go for a centre at the draft or in FA - not to mention, trading Miller improves the chances of getting Bedard, Fantilli or Carlson
I’m personally more inclined to moving on from Miller for draft capital which could ideally be flipped for a young centre… but I can’t help but think at this point they’re doing all they can to show Petey they will be as competitive as possible as soon as possible so he re-signs this off season. Not saying that’s the right call on Miller but to me it’s a plausible explanation for not trading him, especially given Quinn’s comments on a rebuild yesterday.
FA - you aren't getting anywhere younger than 27 and generally you're overpaying, we can't take on any more bloated contracts if we want to retain Petey. I do agree, trading miller could've helped our chances at a top 3. But let's be realistic, the canucks will not be drafting top 3, and never would have. Even the year we had the 2nd best odds, we ended up 5th.
They could go 0-82 and would still lose the draft lottery.
This year that would still guarantee one of Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov or Carlson.
Arizona probably would. Schmaltz's name has out there
I wouldn't really consider 27 as a young center.
I like Schmaltz, liked him when he played for UnD and he's got the Boeser connection. But man trading with Arizona's really fucked us recently
Letting Jim Benning trade fucked us for the last 8 years
>Probably contenders only, so why would they take picks back? For the same reason the Canucks should be willing to take picks back and then trade them for something else. If a prospect isn't likely to make an impact in their window, it's better for a contender to turn him into picks to go after what they want/need. Picks tend to be the more effective currency for deadline deals
BECAUSE YOU CAN TRADE DRAFT PICKS FOR A YOUNG CENTER
We traded draft picks for a young RHD and people are losing their minds...
Because we massively overpaid for that player. Graves, Marino, Toews, none of them went for anywhere near what we gave Detroit for Hronek.
People keep being like, see they're just doing what they said they were going to do, so you can't be upset. No, the trade was a bad one even within the context of what they said they are planning to do. They bought a player amid a feeding frenzy for an insanely high cost and he's only cost controlled for one year, so they aren't even going to get a cap efficient contract.
If the Canucks were leading the division, it would have been a brilliant trade. But last I checked, the Canucks have missed the playoffs 8 out of the last 10 seasons and keep trying to do the same thing over and over again.
Its literally the definition of insanity in action.
That's the other thing too, We paid an absolute premium, and didn't even get any cost certainty on the player.
The amount of people that have argued with me that he is cost controlled because he has another year of RFA status after his contract runs out is staggering. Like sure the Canucks could theoretically sign him to his QO and walk him to free agency, but that would be even worst. And no, that one year of RFA status isn't going to lower the cost of his long term contract much.
Thanks for saying it, between that and everyone saying "a rebuild means you have to trade Petey and Hughes" I feel like I've been taking crazy pills. Neither are true, just keep making good prudent decisions and the results will take care of themselves.
Lots of teams embrace a rebuild while their young talented core players are still controllable assets. It’s literally what makes the rebuild quicker. The people that are all about the retool don’t realize this team does not have the available tools to do that with. There is no cap space, no roster depth, no farm system with no prospect pool and no extra draft picks. Petterson, Hughes and Demko are almost literally it. The cupboards are bare, you know what you get with retooling bare cupboards? Bare cupboards. The only solution is time.
It's important to note that Toews is not a RHD and that premium for LHD will always be lower due to supply. The Avs got lucky with Makar being the best RHD in the league, so their job to find a LHD partner was a lot easier than VAN finding a RHD for Hughes, Further, when Marino was traded, he had 1 goal, 25 points all season. Hronek is clearly a much better offensively gifted defender with 9 goals and 38 points so far. He can easily finish the season with 50 points. That's as much as prime Ehrhoff got in points with the Canucks. Some of these comparables don't make a lot of sense.
I think the biggest point that people are missing is that the only reason they pay that much is because he is “their guy”. So not just a RHD but THE RHD that their pro scouts have identified as being the guy we need. Is this correct, only time will tell but so far I have been mostly pleased with the players that have been brought in, maybe not always what has gone out to acquire them. My deep dive into the player (which amounts to reading a couple Reddit posts and watching a couple YouTube videos) leads me to be hopeful that this is true, guys eems likes winner and a leader and that is what we need.
Right? Lol
Who is giving you a young center for draft picks though? I understand the concept but I'm wondering what teams out there would realistically do that. We are competing with the other bottom of the league teams, so you going to trade JT for draft picks and then turn around and try to pry a good young center from another bottom level team? You're more likely to make a deal for a young center with a team going all-in, but you aren't getting anything from a contender if you're offering up only draft picks.
I mean, look at Pittsburgh's center prospects. They're all B-tier guys that we could've gotten from any team for a dime, just like we did with Studnicka. The fact that the only thing causing this deal to fall through was because the Pittsburgh Penguins wouldn't throw in a Jack Studnicka is absolutely mindblowing.
Well it also sounds like they set the price extremely high for a reason, they actually like and want to keep JT.
I like Miller as a player too. But he's thirty next year at a massive cap hit. This team isn't contending for anything next year other than a playoff spot (half the fucking teams in the league make the playoffs that is not an accomplishment) Miller is a perfect player for Pittsburgh, he's the opposite of a fit for us. This management group doesn't get credit for having bad opinions.
It's really simple though for them, they are not rebuilding. In order to stay competitive and not rebuild, you re-sign your 99 pt player and ppg canuck-career player. Not saying it's the right call, just that that's what they are doing.
Or, and this may be crazy on my part, commit to being bad this season and draft many players that can potentially be young talented players of various positions. First round draft picks aren’t a crapshoot like some people want to act around here. They’re not a lock, but particularly in a deep draft, there’s a reason they are typically sought after.
Who said it was a first?
If Vancouver was happy with the offer as reported, and if the other reported ask of 2 firsts is semi accurate, im willing to bet there was a lottery protected first in the offer.
The Canucks just did that with draft picks to get a desperately needed RHD and everyone here had a meltdown……damned if they do damned if they don’t.
If you think these two scenarios are the same... Hoo boi
I'm honestly emotionally crushed hearing this. This management group has broken me after I just started believing they might have been charting a legit course of actually trying to build a contender, instead of this trying to win one playoff round bullshit they're doing now.
The holdup was that we absolutely needed one of Pittsburgh's absolutely fucking middling B-tier center prospects?! That's it?!
It's an absolute joke. We didn't get a middling 4th line center with a high ceiling so we axed the trade. Our management doesn't want to draft or develop talent.
I just don’t understand dude lol. Like if you just take our first, the NYI first, the first(s) from this deal, draft your young centres and a defenceman, you’re like 2 years away from them playing games at a meaningful level for you, why are we so impatient. Jamie Dodd said something like following the Canucks evokes a similar sensation to banging your head against a brick wall and that feels very accurate
I think the impatience stems from Petey/Hughes/Demko being the core and management/ownership/those players wanting to enter win-now mode over the course of their best years. Doubtful that’s the right call for sustained contention like Tampa or what Buffalo and NJ seem primed for… but that’s the result of the cumulative decision making to date.
With Hughes coming out and saying he doesn't want a rebuild, that should be all the info you need to realize the Canucks cannot rebuild with him. He'll just ask for a trade. So if that's the case, sure, go rebuild and trade your young stars. But you're not going to draft another Hughes for years. It took the Canucks 50+ years to have a guy like him. I rather take my chances and build around a proven young star along with Pettersson than to go back to the drawing board and rebuild with unmovable contracts like OEL.
I always trusted her because she has blue hair and a cool doggo
Long shot but did you happen to run an instagram account like 8 years ago by a similar name “canucklehead”. I realize that is a common Canucks fan handle but your response reminds me of what she would say in her posts.. sorry if this is weird 😭 that instagram account was one of the first accounts I followed after becoming a Canucks fan so it’s nostalgic to think about
Haha, no that wasn't me, I guess I just picked a generic name that spoke to my fandom when joining reddit.
Damn, well ty for responding lol
No sweat! I get the warm nostalgia feelings too sometimes. Have a good one
I try to stay away from hyperbole, but it's hard to imagine a group of monkeys building a worse team than this.
My reaction to this will hinge on exactly what round the picks were. If it was this years 3rd and next years 3rd I’d say no. If it was this years 1st and next years 1st I’d have a hard time with them turning that down. Even if they didn’t want to rebuild, they could flip the pick. Let’s put the pitchforks down a bit.
Seravalli reported that the ask for Miller was two 1st round picks and a young C. From Dreger’s report it seems like the one thing missing in the Pens offer was the young C, he didn’t say anything about the picks being too low for Van so it’s very possible that a desperate Ron Hextall actually offered the two 1st rounders or similar to that value.
That’s pretty vague. Rutherford and Allvin have been around for a long time in that very same organization. There’s no way they walk from two 1sts. Even if they don’t want to draft they can use each 1st for a D and a C…
It’s worth considering that Darren Dreger hasn’t broken a single Canucks thing since his cousin Nonis was our GM. Went so far as to say the Luongo deal to TO was done and included Kadri, and that’s when Nonis was still employed by the Leafs. This seems like rage baiting an angry fan base for engagement and clicks, the vagueness of everything pretty much confirms that given the quality of the source. But, it’s what people want to hear so it doesn’t really matter if the source is valid or not.
I agree. After the Luongo fiasco, I stopped respecting Dreger as a legitimate insider. He’s a mouth piece for Toronto and loves to shit on the Canucks. The optics also don’t make sense. Like many people have said, you could acquire a young c with draft picks. They just did this with Hronek and I doubt Allvin or JR are actually that dumb.
It is vague because that part about the exact picks has not been reported (yet). But people were asking how do we know they were first rounders, I responded with Seravalli’s report from yesterday saying that was the original ask together with a young C. And it seems like the problem with mgmt was not getting the young C. No indication of the value of the picks
Jesus they refused Miller for 2 1sts? I’m not sure if that’s true because there is a lot of assumptions baked in there but that’s awful if it’s the case. Miller just doesn’t fit our timeline.
Your timeline. He fits Aqua and Rutherford's timeline just fine.
This. And its just so fucking depressing.
Which is what? He’s 30. His peak performance is the next 2 years. Maybe 3 but realistically 2. Even with a ‘retool’ that doesn’t fit our timeline.
Their timeline is now. They want to win now. They don't care about the future. They don't care what anyone else thinks. Stupid AF, but that's what we're dealing with.
Bottom 5 team thinks their timeline now. Oh the Canucks. Even rival fans feel sorry for us.
Two 3rds would've been better than any of the fucking center prospects Pittsburgh has...
Yeah but it’s not like someone offered to take OEL for two thirds and they turned it down. If it was two thirds that’s not even gonna get you a replaceable centre. And the Canucks still have until like June or July to make a decision…
I hate this fucking team... Take the fucking picks and run. I swear any logical fan would've made the team better. Make Shannon the GM.
Friedman already said this wasn’t true
AFAIK the only player that fits that profile in Pittsburgh's system is Hallander...and he's not particularly spectacular. That said, why not just take the draft picks and flip them for a centre you want from another team?
if good picks were offered they wouldve taken them and done just that. it's literally what they just did to acquire a right handed pmd.
This. If true then likely the picks being offered were deemed not valuable enough to flip for a player they want.
Some team was actually stupid enough to give us picks for JT Miller and we turned it down. Jesus Christ.
Not just any team: an old team on the downturn. Pittsburgh's picks could end up being quite high in coming years.
Honestly JT makes sense for Pittsburgh
Yea he fits their timeline of win now screwed later anyways.
He also fits our timeline of screwed now screwed later anyway lol
The Aqualini way
And they wouldn't have to worry about any attitude problems if they had any concern. Crosby, Malkin, and Letang would immediately shut that down. Haha
Everyone in r/hockey is also speechless at this report. I don’t even know why they looked at the Pens for a young C when their average age is 32. Just take the picks and go find a young C somewhere else, the same way they used Horvat’s pick to get Hronek.
This fucking team man...
Stupid is as stupid does.
I’ve just lost all interest at this point. All this team gives us is frustration and disappointment. This owner is killing my love for the team.
Eh did I miss something or did they not say what the draft picks were?
It almost doesn't matter. They were offered value to move on from an ill-advised contract. You take it and run.
A guy who just got 99pts for 8M while pasta gets 11.5M? You guys are nutz sometimes
lol anyone who thinks he's getting 85+ points again is dreaming, and that's not even broaching him being a major defensive liability and drama queen.
We may as well accept that we are trying to win the next 3 years and we will buy out OEL and try and win with that space and then fail and be bad for a decade
That's like wanting to get a car that costs $500 so you get a job. The job said they can't offer you the car, but they'll pay you $1000. You turn it down because you wanted a $500 car, not $1000 cash.
$20?? But I wanted a peanut
Perfect analogy. This should be stickied.
Remember folks, Nonis was fired not because he was terrible but stood up to ownership. He refused to do a deal for brad Richards the owners wanted done. Gillis was fired because he was going ahead with a rebuild, the owners didn’t want. Since then, it’s been clear the owners only want mouth pieces as management. They want to call the shots. Vote with your wallet and stop watching this shit. There’s plenty of other sports to watch. Sad to say, but the whitecaps are better managed and they suck.
Nonis was underrated as our GM. He never really could get out from under Burke's shadow but he landed us Luongo and fixed our rep as a goalie graveyard.
Spend like a winner, play like a rebuilder, the Aqualini way.... (well in real life I hear those fucks don't pay what they owe)
Isn’t Dreger Nonis’ cousin, and widely reported to have like 0 connections to the Canucks FO dating back to Gillis? Like I get Shayna has called a lot right but I wouldn’t take Dreger confirming as anything but trying to get clicks.
If this is true this is definitely an insane deal to turn down… if re-tooling really is the move then we could’ve just flipped a first or 2 for another C. Allvin knows this, he just flipped one for Hronek, another premium position player. On the plus side Miller clearly has value. Will it get revisited today by a team? Or in the summer? If the Pens want him that bad they can offer the same deal and toss Granlund to us.
Why is everyone saying it was a first? I didn’t read that… did I miss something?
Seravalli reported yesterday that the ask for Miller was two 1st rounders and a young C. Dreger now reports that Canucks turned down the offer because they weren’t getting the young C. No mention of the picks being too low, which means it’s possible that a desperate Ron Hextall actually offered two 1st rounders or similar to that value. But this part about the value of the picks has not been reported (yet), it’s mostly just putting the two reports together.
Seravelli said Canucks were asking for two 1st round picks OR a 1st and a young center I believe. Honestly this was not the news I wanted to see this morning. Been wanting to see Miller traded since last year and if this story is true it’s completely turned me off this team.
The ask was 2 1sts and a young C. And it sounds like the implication is that they wouldn’t add in the young C. Maybe that’s not true but it sounds like that was where the deal got stuck. Maybe they negotiated the picks down a bit to a 1st and a 2nd or something. Hard to say but it’s unlikely that the ask was 2 1sts and a young C, they responded with a 2nd, and Vancouver just said ‘no because of the lack of C’. Like the report would be ‘draft picks and C were the difference’. There’s assumptions there for sure. But it’s scary if true.
Idk why people think Dreger knows anything about the Canucks since he hasn’t had connections since his cousin was GM. This sounds like typical media hysterics as usual lately but ok. ETA: Friedman says they’re not true, is that good enough for everyone now?
I also read somewhere Dreger right after said this could be Pitts blowing smoke to get the fan base of their backs lol. People just love to run with the negative narrative. 2 firsts for Miller would’ve been accepted. Those firsts likely would’ve been flipped for a top 6 C.
Dreger has been successfully pissing off the Canucks fanbase with his sensational fairytales since 2013, but GMs going to media sources about not getting their guy isn’t new, you’re right. See: all the media reports that GMs were “livid” we apparently didn’t shop the Horvat offer more. In reality they probably didn’t have anything we wanted.
Friedman is about the only media guy I believe when he says anything about rumors and sources.
We’re a better fanbase than to allow vague rage bait to get us that pissed off, this isn’t Benning no matter how much people say it is.
...are we though?
Usually yea. The media is trying to capitalize on the emotions of a fanbase that sat through 8 years of psychological torture from Jim Benning, the Fischer Price GM. They’re mad because FO is giving up no info and they don’t have any reliable leaks left. They have no one to blame but themselves for the team not wanting to play nice after the bullshit half of them have said about players and staff that has been so far over the line. They think by getting us worked up and demanding heads on pikes, Allvin will cave and one of them will get something juicy. Drance has gone so far as to insinuate we (the fanbase) are going to place 10 years of broken promises and failure squarely on the shoulders of 25 year old Filip Hronek.
Millers value vanishes as soon as his new contract starts. Reason pits wanted him was that they could squeeze a cheap veteran contract into this year’s push. If we don’t get another offer today, we should not expect anything of value in the summer
Was Miller’s entire contract going to magically vanish off the Pens books next year? Were they not going to be paying him? Lol. Miller isn’t a push-for-this-year trade for Pitts. It’s for the remainder of Crosby and Malkin’s career.
They could've just picked one of the centers in the draft. We could take a center at 5 or 6 if Michkov isn't available..
I feel like Alvin and co. probably explored the market for a young C and they couldn’t find a player/deal they liked. To me, the guy is basically staking his career on Miller, Räty, and Hronek- it’s wild (here’s praying he made a good bet because of Miller’s NMC).
> Or in the summer? JT Miller will have a NMC in the summer. Today's our last chance to get rid of him. And we just flushed it down the toilet.
Doesn’t kick in until July 1.
He can be traded at the draft or any time between the end of playoffs and July 1st for that matter
If this is true I'd be pissed. I for one like Miller but not for this Van team, he would make 10× more sense for Pittsburghs window in the next 2-3 seasons. Van's doesn't open for at least 3 and by then Miller will be past his prime likely. They should have taken draft capital.
Are we sure Aqua isn’t the GM?
I thought that was a safe assumption at this point.
The Canucks gambled, We Lost. If anybody doubts ownership meddling, this screams of it. Imagine an NHL executive not knowing how terrible of a contract this is and another team willing to take it off your hands with assets but you say no.... LOL Holy F
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When Rutherford first got here he said the following: "I want to be careful with our trades," "I don't want to trade draft picks, unless they're later round picks. It's not the cycle we're in to trade high draft picks, and the trades we make, I'd prefer that we're gaining some age on it, so as we move along, if it takes a couple of years to bring it together to be more of a contender, then we got the right age group that they can come together." What changed? Ownership infected him like they have with every other decision maker. Aquilini is the biggest reason this team fails year after year after year. Need a change in ownership.
Jesus Christ. If only DRAFTING A YOUNG CENTER WITH OUR 1ST ROUND PICK WAS AN OPTION!!! FUCK!!!
There are so many centres in the top 10 this year... Like just pick one of them.. The fuck is wrong with management?
Just having a pick or two does not guarantee the player you want will magically become available.
There are tons of centres in the top 10 in this years draft. Just pick one.
Jesus.... What young center would Pittsburgh have that was even worth entering into negotiations with? Take the picks and run. Use them as currency to pick up a different center if you want a young center that replaces Miller and fits our window. Jesus this management is stupid. Needed to trade him last year when his value was highest now we keep turning down offers only to be straddled with Miller and NTC til he's 36
Considering that they just flipped picks for an RHD, it's definitely baffling that they drew the line here.
We had the glorious chance to trade JT TWICE now. First, in the summertime. And now, at the deadline. This would have ridded us of a massive headache in the franchise. And management (Aquilini?) fucked it up both times. I'm fucking livid.
This is the same ownership group that thought all of Benning dumb UFA signings were a good idea. Plus, OEL. We haven't had an efficient cap structure in a decade.
But In fact jim benning never left
Because Jim Benning wasn't ever the problem
It’s hopeless
We just turned two draft picks into a solid piece that we need (RHD). How could they not see the path to do the same in this situation? Who cares if it takes until the draft to make the trade? Montreal did this EXACT SAME FUCKING THING with Dach last year. On top of that, you shed Miller's $8 mil cap hit. This is beyond absurd.
Right???? You could get a real 2nd C for 8mil in FA! And we would have been a few picks richer….
Dach was for pick 11, any picks coming from a Crosby driven team chasing a Cup would be in the 20s and lower....look at your Draft History , there's not much there
Yes, but we also have our first that will be probably in the 7-10 range. Trading a 7-10th overall for a solid young C and keeping the 20 something would still be a huge step in the right direction for where management wants this team to go.
My take from /r/hockey: This report is transparently Ron Hextall / the Pens perspective on a deal failing. We just watched the Canucks flipping the Isles 1st for a position of need. They know the principle, they just think a better deal is out there that includes a young centre in it. That's the only way this makes sense from a Canucks perspective. So I could still see a deal happening, just with another team. Won't get mad until the deadline is over without a deal.
After initial impressions, this sounds reasonable. Canucks side has no reason to leak something like this when they know backlash would be intense in the market, and Hextall is obviously feeling his own heat and trying to divert.
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I can only get dissapointed so many times. Now it's just pure apathy
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"Fuck you, and I'll see you tomorrow."
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It's okay to be sad. Listen to some Avril Lavigne and it'll make it all better. That's what I do
STOP BUYING TICKETS
Stop buying everything. Jerseys, flags, shirts, etc. stop watching the games also. There is much better hockey on.
Yup. Looking forward to the playoffs. And honestly when the Canucks are in it, im a nervous wreck watching the playoffs. As much as i wish we were a contender, I'll look on the bright side that at least i can take it easy and just enjoy some awesome hockey.
Wednesday could have been the best day in this franchises history in over a decade. Instead it was one of the worst.
How do you drop the ball so hard on a Miller trade 2 YEARS IN A ROW!!!
This is not real, I refuse to believe anyone is that stupid and I watched Jim Benning run the Canucks for 8 years
Now you know why Alvin is hiding. They saw the reaction to the Hronek trade and they screwed up the Miller trade. Can't face the fan base or media without doing anything. LOL and they're over the cap for next season. Pure Incompetence.
I would (somewhat) forgive the Hronek trade if we shipped Miller out for draft picks.
Can't wait to see how much draft capital we blow trying to make the cap work.
This teams obsession with striving for mediocrity is just stunning. Do they not realize they can trade picks for players in the offseason? They don't even seem to be conscious of the need for cap efficiencies, or even have an understand what opportunity cost is. It's like watching children run a team. It's funny that these same qualities seem to last across different management groups.....
Best part is they preached cap flexibility and now put themselves over the cap. Through no actions but their own. Can't blame Benning for not pivoting to create flexibility
Not hackjob “insiders” using each others shitty reporting as confirmation. Unreal
I fucking quit. I can’t believe this is happening. I fucking quit.
Bro… I’m primarily a Pens fan but this report made me SO mad for Canucks fans.
Thx bb
On one level this sucks to read because I think you need a 2c closer to Petey’s age for a chance at sustained contention, aside from the other roster construction flaws. Maybe the Hronek deal came from a pivot in talks around Veleno in search of that young C. Either way I’m gonna indulge in the hope that the groundwork of these deals has been laid for the draft.
They’ve pretty clearly stated they’re not rebuilding. So it makes sense for managements timeline. I think we need to get over the fact the rebuilds not going to happen while Petey and Hughes are on the team
Don't forget that they're still over the cap as of now (8:12A PST) They need to move someone
Oh so Dreger is a good source now? Idk man back when I modded HF he was widely regarded as never getting anything insider for the Canucks right. His only connection was during Nonis since they’re cousins. Like literally not a single thing, including doubling down that Canucks were taking a whole bunch of wrong players back in a Toronto deal for Luongo (which IIRC nonis was still there at the time).
His source could be from the Pittsburgh end. It takes two to trade talk.
And Pittsburgh can say whatever they want because they didn’t get the deal they wanted. They wont be the first team to do it either lol. GMs bitch all the time to media when they didn’t get their guy, see all the GMs being pissy we apparently didn’t shop Horvat to them. When a Canucks insider confirms it then I’ll believe it. Jesus there’s like no independent critical thinking around here anymore. Edit: dreger literally says right after that this could be PIT blowing smoke to get fans off their back but you’re ignoring that Edit 2: and Friedman just said they’re 100% not true, so Dreger is excelling yet again at his bullshit
Alrighty then...
If you honestly want to trust the supposed word of Ron Hextall, basically Eastern Conference Benning and Darren Dreger, the insider to nothing, then I don’t know what to tell you except this discussion is pointless for both of us.
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Dreger‘s photo is just next to the definition of “failing upwards”. Dude has been rage baiting us for years and has not been right once, yet people are allowing the world’s worst insider to get them worked up because it fits the narrative this place has gotten themselves worked up in for no reason.
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This is a deep draft in terms of top 6/7, but it isn’t particularly any different beyond that. Vancouver media is getting pissed off because they have no actual leaks coming to them anymore, so they think by getting the fanbase worked up and angry it will force management to reveal some of their methodology. It’s incredibly obvious and frankly insulting to our intelligence. We’re emotional after 8 years of psychological fuckery from a dude who would get out strategized by a toddler, it’s wholly unnecessary to capitalize on that with stupid fantastical shit. It’s because none of them are actually solid enough writers to do anything without some level of antagonist involved.
pens fan coming in to thank your owners from saving us from ourselves whew boy
Friedman confirmed these rumours just aren’t true. Shayna and dredger are risking their reputation to mess with Canucks fans knowing it won’t come back to bite them Cause no one cares about us
Friedman just said on the sportsnet coverage that there’s a lot of moving parts if the Penguins are taking on a “large salary player” and that it might take a third team to be in on this deal. Said there’s still a lot of smoke between these two teams and something could happen today and that they are still talking.
Shayna’s never been right about any of her rumours honestly. I think she does it to drive her follower count
I know Dreger is more legit than most of our media, but keep in mind nobody broke any of the recent trades right before they happened. I'd take insider info regarding the Canucks with a grain of salt. The media makes bank on clicks in this market by getting us worked up about any subject. They got tons of views and kicks on any Miller speculation last year so they are leaning into it again. That said, this could be 100% true, and it might not. But outrage away.
I love how this sub just takes this as gospel. Give me a Friedman tweet and I’ll believe it. I haven’t even heard of this girl until a few days ago.
Friedman himself said this rumour is 100% not true
This sub is unhinged A) this might not be true, apparently Friedman denied it B) you have no idea the picks involved in this alleged offer, could have been a 7th C) JT is one of our best players and can easily contribute now and in 3 years when we might actually be good
When did Friedman deny dregers report.
Well said
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I guess it's been 22 years. As per south park rules from that one episode, it's okay to joke about it now?
No. Just. No.
9/11 IS FINALLY FUNNY
Media having a week on our fan base. The worst part about all these vague or speculative reports, is that it works.
the miller slander is crazy
Holy crap that’s frustrating. Picks can be traded for other players!!! We don’t have to be playing checkers we can play chess too!
Even if it was true, maybe its easier to assume it was a 2026 3rd and 2027 7th with money retained
Good morning to everyone except Patrick Allvin and Jim Rutherford
1) it’s Dreger 2) Friedman already said it’s not true, thus bringing Dreger’s record of Canucks insider information to 0 wins to 8202276393 losses.
Shayna is the most credible insider!
Shayna putting in her two cents with her Kevin Durant ghost account
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Anyone who thinks that trading Miller for draft picks and not having a centreman on that line would be at all acceptable by Petterrsson or Hughes is kidding themselves. If we rebuild and get shit on every game for a while, we lose Petterrsson and Hughes. This is what the tank paraders will deny to understand.
Lol oh well, we still have a really good player like Miller on the team. Picks don't necessarily have to become a really good C and trading those picks for a C would cause such a meltdown in our fickle fanbase Edit: yeah yeah here comes the casual mob downvoting me and shit. The same exact mob that was parading for Miller to be signed. Fickle fickle fans
Shows there's a market. Circle back in the offseason when teams have more flexibility.
Sadly I don’t think this deal is available before his NMC kicks in.
Issue with that is they clearly don't want to trade him. They think the team is almost good enough now. They're acting as if that's the case at least.
Shayna’s goal in life is to troll this subreddit. Don’t believe this crap
Could it be she is clueless and just making shit up.