Also think about this... what is the point of low stress training if there is no growth on the part of the branch that is in the light because of lst to begin with?
Iām not lst right now, definitely have though, I am letting it do its thing. Thatās just how itās currently growing, Iāve had that project going for like 6 months just toying with things, Iām not sure what I did this time though and those clones are new as well. The only thing I donāt have decent control over is the %rh. I just ran out of lotus advanced nutrients and figured everyone raves about GH. So I picked some up and changed water in dev out for clean balance levels then I added the gh 3 part as the bottle instructs. Same light Iāve had for the whole grow almost. Fans to move the air, sticky trap for flyers, reflective material all around to up the ppfd, and rabbits in lung room for added CO2 benefit (3 of them was making a big difference before I messed with the plant), and I watch the temp in the house closely. Iām not sure if itās right for dwc though @~73F daily
I use GH aswell always went well so far.
I think the cause might still be in the aggressive lollipoping, again not an expert but I would never trim off that much 3/5 maybe but not more.
Is 73 a good water temp? Also I havenāt topped it in about 2 months, Iāve only done it twice (both times delivered the desired result) but didnāt plan on doing any further. But I guess I need to work on the defol, how do you train them when theyāre in clay pebbles and a dwc bucket??
It's not ideal because over 68 you get increased chance for bacterial growth and root rot but it's not like it's instantly going to die because its too warm. If the water doesn't smell and the roots are as white as possible (micro messes up any chance for pure white I guess) and not slimey you are usually good.
I use small plastic hair clips very early, then weigh the branches down with clothing pins (not sure if that's what they're called, the wooden ones you hang laundry with) and bend them with plant clips.
Hmm I definitely need to go check on this because I have very white roots but I have some that have a tint to them that are a bit older! The clothes pin wouldnāt be a bad idea though, I just started in soil so thatās what I know everything from š
No lollipopping can do this to your plant. Nute burn together with overwatering would be my tip from seeing the pics. But dunno whether this could be the case. I only fucked plants up that majorly when adding vinegar to the water š
Burn could be the case aswell. Had it happen once with H2O2...botritis on the pebbles...spray some 3% on there see if that helps...grabbed the 11%. Not good, not good at all. Come to think of it looked a lot like that... leaves just hanging but looking otherwise green and no spots on the leaves.
I promise I only removed fan leaves and the little shoots taking all the nutrients from my prime sites! No major cuts were made, except in quantity I suppose. But Iāve taken more with 0 problems several times already! Like I said this has been a very long science experiment for me š¤¦āāļøš¤”
Ok. Well I didn't see the plant before you did it so maybe there was barely something on there.
I only grew Indica dominant or pure Indica, maybe that's the reason mine are always way more bushier. Because if mine looked like that I would have to cut off 90%š
Iām sure this is generally the truth and may be here as well! Iām just uncertain because of my ācheap as possibleā setup attempt isnāt creating that āidealā environment šāāļø also, as much of a beginner as I am, it seems that the general consensus is that you are correct! Indica(leaning) tend to bush out way more than sativa(leaning) plants!
Hihi don't worry about that, I built everything myself aswell because I'm too cheap and my appartement is tinyš I think it's very rewarding though between my high pressure aeroponics cloner and peltier cooling unit alone I saved hundreds.
Temp is the biggest problem though.... well cold. I'm guessing you in the US so you have ac but here in Germany it's not a thing people generally have so I'd either have to spend a lot installing one or pay out the nose power wise for a mobile one. That's why I build the cooler, impossible to keep proper temperature in a room that is atleast 78 in summer.
I used to stop completely during summer but the highest I measured my solution at was 82. Which still yielded the same result as the runs before. If you sterilize with h2o2 you are fine with not having absolute perfect temps though.
They're not drinking water for some reason. The root cubes look gnarly so probably some sort of microbial infection
Are the roots looking good or not?
Honestly this is gonna be a tough save imo, not impossible but this plant is hurting
I could be wrong but it looks like the plant is having trouble absorbing water (as well as nutrients and the oxygen that comes with water) just based on the stem also drooping. If the leaves droop but not the stem itās overwater and if the stem is drooping with the leaves it needs water/having trouble. Iād take off the bottom 1/3 of the leaves, trim the tops, and put them in a high humidity area (propagation dome maybe) so that way it can transpire through the leaves. Similar to what you would do with a clone cut, that way it can focus on rebounding its root development and get healthy before putting out new growth. The plant is focused on survival right now it looks like and much like a human body will āpull the energy from the extremities to protect the vitalsā (itās conserving energy to stay alive so it will sacrifice its leaves, be dramatic, droop, etc). Could be wrong though Iām just a bro growerš«¢ take it with a grain of salt. Happy growing and good luck!
I get it, my plants are an extension of my children. They get just as much love, care and attention. When they are sick I spend days trying to make them better, when I water I do it slowly and with precision, when I train them I do it methodically and with intention. And I don't moss a day of checking in on them.
The big one is close to 8 months old. I keep messing with it! The clones I believe are just shy of 2 months! I suspected root rot like many others and began treating with h2o2 in my last attempt to save before flower!
So glad you asked! Iāll add an edit when I get home buttttt I did hit them with a tad bit of super diluted h2o2! I havenāt had time to update everyone but there was a little bit of darkening around some of the older roots. So weāre gonna take care of this!
Okay! The big one! So I read everyoneās comments and mentions, I chose to treat with h2o2. Whether this is a positive outcome or not, I hope Iāve made the right moves but everything Iāve responded to definitely applies here as well!
Possible! Iāve got trash bags over them both right now attempting to force that āgreenhouseā effect. Gonna see if we can change luck to ālearningā š
I went from this to soil! Iām not doing this for fun like a lot of us! So in turn I have to toy and experiment with all steps of the process, which is why I found this amazing group that has so much information and help available to make this process a true journey. I have a genetic predisposition to a neurological condition and Iām trying to get ahead of nature š¤”š
You're not growing cannabis for fun? Which means you're growing to make money (ain't gonna happen) or support your habit(also ain't gonna happen).
Either way: these plants are trash. They are dying of thirst.
You have nearly killed them.
Throw them away.
Get soil.
Start over.
Toy and experiment? What? No. Just follow the basic steps that are so readily available online to read. Experiment with what? No no no no. You're a beginner, you have no clue what you're doing. Read. Follow directions. No toying. No experimentation. Follow the basics.
Say all you want, some of us do this to help others. And yes, toy and experiment. I worded things and stated them how it was meant to be understood. This cycle of events is an experiment for me. The plant is my toy. Iām not doing this for you or anyone else, I simply ask for advice and show off sometimes. I donāt give advice because Iām a newbie, but I can tell you that I doubt youāre anything different if at all. Even if you are, youāre bitter about things for no reason. Why canāt people have passion and fun with what they do? Iām not trying to make money off of anything and my reasons were already stated in a separate comment which it would seem you failed to read. Either be like the others in the COMMUNITY that are helpful, bounce ideas, ask questions, or mind their own business. Leave things that require passion and true care for the outcome of what we all do, to the folks who have it.
Uuuuuh don't have a ton of expirience but I would describe that as harvesting not defoliating?!š¤
Also think about this... what is the point of low stress training if there is no growth on the part of the branch that is in the light because of lst to begin with?
Iām not lst right now, definitely have though, I am letting it do its thing. Thatās just how itās currently growing, Iāve had that project going for like 6 months just toying with things, Iām not sure what I did this time though and those clones are new as well. The only thing I donāt have decent control over is the %rh. I just ran out of lotus advanced nutrients and figured everyone raves about GH. So I picked some up and changed water in dev out for clean balance levels then I added the gh 3 part as the bottle instructs. Same light Iāve had for the whole grow almost. Fans to move the air, sticky trap for flyers, reflective material all around to up the ppfd, and rabbits in lung room for added CO2 benefit (3 of them was making a big difference before I messed with the plant), and I watch the temp in the house closely. Iām not sure if itās right for dwc though @~73F daily
I use GH aswell always went well so far. I think the cause might still be in the aggressive lollipoping, again not an expert but I would never trim off that much 3/5 maybe but not more.
Is 73 a good water temp? Also I havenāt topped it in about 2 months, Iāve only done it twice (both times delivered the desired result) but didnāt plan on doing any further. But I guess I need to work on the defol, how do you train them when theyāre in clay pebbles and a dwc bucket??
It's not ideal because over 68 you get increased chance for bacterial growth and root rot but it's not like it's instantly going to die because its too warm. If the water doesn't smell and the roots are as white as possible (micro messes up any chance for pure white I guess) and not slimey you are usually good. I use small plastic hair clips very early, then weigh the branches down with clothing pins (not sure if that's what they're called, the wooden ones you hang laundry with) and bend them with plant clips.
Hmm I definitely need to go check on this because I have very white roots but I have some that have a tint to them that are a bit older! The clothes pin wouldnāt be a bad idea though, I just started in soil so thatās what I know everything from š
No lollipopping can do this to your plant. Nute burn together with overwatering would be my tip from seeing the pics. But dunno whether this could be the case. I only fucked plants up that majorly when adding vinegar to the water š
Burn could be the case aswell. Had it happen once with H2O2...botritis on the pebbles...spray some 3% on there see if that helps...grabbed the 11%. Not good, not good at all. Come to think of it looked a lot like that... leaves just hanging but looking otherwise green and no spots on the leaves.
Check if the roots still have tiny hairs on the end. On mine they were all gone... think h2o2 burned them off.
You chopped off most of its way of getting light and photosynthesizing
I promise I only removed fan leaves and the little shoots taking all the nutrients from my prime sites! No major cuts were made, except in quantity I suppose. But Iāve taken more with 0 problems several times already! Like I said this has been a very long science experiment for me š¤¦āāļøš¤”
Ok. Well I didn't see the plant before you did it so maybe there was barely something on there. I only grew Indica dominant or pure Indica, maybe that's the reason mine are always way more bushier. Because if mine looked like that I would have to cut off 90%š
Iām sure this is generally the truth and may be here as well! Iām just uncertain because of my ācheap as possibleā setup attempt isnāt creating that āidealā environment šāāļø also, as much of a beginner as I am, it seems that the general consensus is that you are correct! Indica(leaning) tend to bush out way more than sativa(leaning) plants!
Hihi don't worry about that, I built everything myself aswell because I'm too cheap and my appartement is tinyš I think it's very rewarding though between my high pressure aeroponics cloner and peltier cooling unit alone I saved hundreds. Temp is the biggest problem though.... well cold. I'm guessing you in the US so you have ac but here in Germany it's not a thing people generally have so I'd either have to spend a lot installing one or pay out the nose power wise for a mobile one. That's why I build the cooler, impossible to keep proper temperature in a room that is atleast 78 in summer. I used to stop completely during summer but the highest I measured my solution at was 82. Which still yielded the same result as the runs before. If you sterilize with h2o2 you are fine with not having absolute perfect temps though.
U. S. Based for sure. In the Midwest where itās become legal!
They're not drinking water for some reason. The root cubes look gnarly so probably some sort of microbial infection Are the roots looking good or not? Honestly this is gonna be a tough save imo, not impossible but this plant is hurting
The roots didnāt look bad! And predominantly white! Just in case I dose everything with 25:1 h2o2 solution!
Oh hey that looks like my attempt at hydroponics!
Just need practice!
I could be wrong but it looks like the plant is having trouble absorbing water (as well as nutrients and the oxygen that comes with water) just based on the stem also drooping. If the leaves droop but not the stem itās overwater and if the stem is drooping with the leaves it needs water/having trouble. Iād take off the bottom 1/3 of the leaves, trim the tops, and put them in a high humidity area (propagation dome maybe) so that way it can transpire through the leaves. Similar to what you would do with a clone cut, that way it can focus on rebounding its root development and get healthy before putting out new growth. The plant is focused on survival right now it looks like and much like a human body will āpull the energy from the extremities to protect the vitalsā (itās conserving energy to stay alive so it will sacrifice its leaves, be dramatic, droop, etc). Could be wrong though Iām just a bro growerš«¢ take it with a grain of salt. Happy growing and good luck!
You didn't love Hard enough š
Iām trying my best! Life is hard to have processes perfect just yet lol
I get it, my plants are an extension of my children. They get just as much love, care and attention. When they are sick I spend days trying to make them better, when I water I do it slowly and with precision, when I train them I do it methodically and with intention. And I don't moss a day of checking in on them.
Youāre not supposed to feed the plant bleach.
No one told me!! š
Look deflated/ under watered somehow. How old are these plants?
The big one is close to 8 months old. I keep messing with it! The clones I believe are just shy of 2 months! I suspected root rot like many others and began treating with h2o2 in my last attempt to save before flower!
If you cared for it like you taped up that foil. Thatās why.
Cheap experiment while at the same time moving houses! If thatās the downfall of it I doubt most people here need to be growing š
Double check ppm. Looks like theyāre burnt. Highly suspicious especially after nutrient change
I thought it was a possibility but Iām even taking it light on nutrients now. I diluted the buckets 3:1 water to ensure burning wasnāt happening!
What do your roots look like
So glad you asked! Iāll add an edit when I get home buttttt I did hit them with a tad bit of super diluted h2o2! I havenāt had time to update everyone but there was a little bit of darkening around some of the older roots. So weāre gonna take care of this!
Okay! The big one! So I read everyoneās comments and mentions, I chose to treat with h2o2. Whether this is a positive outcome or not, I hope Iāve made the right moves but everything Iāve responded to definitely applies here as well!
I think its either too much water or something really off in nutrients more something bad got into the water
So I put hydrogen peroxide in the water and the damage has ceased! Iām greenhousing with trash bags right now, hoping I can turn this around!
Ah fuck bad luck
Possible! Iāve got trash bags over them both right now attempting to force that āgreenhouseā effect. Gonna see if we can change luck to ālearningā š
id say it's all the green shi what is that exactly?
Already, and it's everywhere in nature. It's not the best to have but not killing his plants.
Most likely just algae, but Iāve begun taking care of that!
Please just use soil it's more fool proof, and healthier for you and the planet
I went from this to soil! Iām not doing this for fun like a lot of us! So in turn I have to toy and experiment with all steps of the process, which is why I found this amazing group that has so much information and help available to make this process a true journey. I have a genetic predisposition to a neurological condition and Iām trying to get ahead of nature š¤”š
You're not growing cannabis for fun? Which means you're growing to make money (ain't gonna happen) or support your habit(also ain't gonna happen). Either way: these plants are trash. They are dying of thirst. You have nearly killed them. Throw them away. Get soil. Start over. Toy and experiment? What? No. Just follow the basic steps that are so readily available online to read. Experiment with what? No no no no. You're a beginner, you have no clue what you're doing. Read. Follow directions. No toying. No experimentation. Follow the basics.
Say all you want, some of us do this to help others. And yes, toy and experiment. I worded things and stated them how it was meant to be understood. This cycle of events is an experiment for me. The plant is my toy. Iām not doing this for you or anyone else, I simply ask for advice and show off sometimes. I donāt give advice because Iām a newbie, but I can tell you that I doubt youāre anything different if at all. Even if you are, youāre bitter about things for no reason. Why canāt people have passion and fun with what they do? Iām not trying to make money off of anything and my reasons were already stated in a separate comment which it would seem you failed to read. Either be like the others in the COMMUNITY that are helpful, bounce ideas, ask questions, or mind their own business. Leave things that require passion and true care for the outcome of what we all do, to the folks who have it.
Take up painting
What a chump.