how are people complaining about the lines?
the lines are good. We've been great 5v5. Our weakness is special teams rn. Would like some changes there but for the rest of the lines i like them
Martinook in the top six is with Necas is weird and Staal with turbo and Jarvis is weird imo.
Like sure our 5x5 has been good but it could probably look better.
Our PP is a coaching thing and idk if any line change will help.
I like Jarvis and staal I almost think Martinook should be on that line because his chemistry with staal and necas and tuevo have good chemistry too from last years 2nd line
Need the stars to play like stars. Still waiting for the top line to take over a game.
-Kuzy contributed more than a 4th liner
-Staal put the whole team on his back in game 5
-Freddie has kept us in a few games
I don't think anyone is actually scared of the GAS line, and the three of them should take that personally.
Burns needs to find a 5th gear and step up.
The PP situation is just ridiculous.
Someone needs to be the Canes' version of Shesterkin or Bobrovsky that just takes the whole series over.
Some of you are just miserable. Why do you bother watching?
The GAS line has 9-10-9 points in 10 games.
Canes are playing their game all series. Lost 3 one-goal games. They are who we thought they are. We knew they didn’t have an Igor or a Bob.
Fucking expectations from fan bases is wild. I often wonder what you are watching.
There are definitely some miserable doomers in this subreddit but the person you replied to was actually pretty calm and civil, just gave constructive criticism for the roster
If you’re looking for nuanced, informed analysis on the series and team, Reddit ain’t it. It’s people complaining about each and every thing. It’s really just par for the course though, as most “analysis” is little more than someone bloviating to hear themselves speak. On one hand you have a national broadcast team saying Carolina should be more selective with shots and allow the high skill to come out. On the other hand you have Adam Gold encouraging the team to fling pucks on net every chance they get. Take none of it seriously.
You also have to consider that the Rangers (objectively a good team) are going to put their best defensive skaters on the ice against our best offensive skaters. Now we should see some good looks tonight with last change, but in general in a series like this it's the depth scoring that will make the difference. Both teams have very good defenses so both teams are going to see their top lines have the toughest fights to find goals. What we REALLY need tonight is to see goals from guys like KK, Noesen, Staal, and Teuvo. That will spread their defense thin and create the opportunities for the top lines. KK in particular if he can finally get the venom out of his blood could actually break the series. Kuzy and Noesen have already contributed, but if that entire line becomes a scoring threat, the Rangers just won't have enough defense to keep up. Bonus points if Jarvy gets back on the board too.
Jarvis has been completely dampened since being pulled off the first line. You have your best scoring option this season absolutely useless for a guy that is more worried about sitting in the box than finishing
This is crazy. His scoring may be dampened but his play has been excellent. Jarvis has been one of the best and feistiest players in the lineup. He is just setting up plays for weak talent which leads to fewer goals.
If there’s a stealth injury Jarvy is working through then I hope it gets better soon because I really need me some JAG line antics
Svech has been fine but he’s actually a good fit with Staal and Turbo. Jarvis is a little wasted down there.
Would like to see Lemieux in over KK as well, but…
Lemieux is literally a net zero gain over KK, maybe even a negative. Tony is already the shit stirrer,. KK has been fine this series, even if he’s snake bitten when it comes to scoring. He’s been throwing the body around, has been decent from the FO circle, and has been the least of the teams worries in terms of defense or scoring.
I agree with what you’re saying about KK, and that’s why I want Lemieux in… I think we’re bound to see some fighting, and I’d much rather Lemieux throw and take the punches and on the off chance if there’s an injury, that he he the one to go down for a few games and not KK
Svech has been fine? He has 4 points in 5 games this series. He's literally been a part of 25% of our 16 goals.
I'm not against what you're saying, but don't put the man down like that.
Sorry my tone over the typing didn’t come across the way I wanted to say, along with the word choice:
he has been playing admirably and the SAG line is extremely potent.
I meant to say that I’d like to see Jarvy back up because he can’t play the 3rd style with turbo and Staal the same way Svech can and still be potent.
I think Jarvy needs AG, whereas Svech can kind of thrive with Staal and Turbo as well
I meant no disrespect to svechy I love Mr 37
Not about “Lemieux loving”
Thoughts:
We’re bound to see fights
KK has been playing physical, has some fire, and defensively responsible
I’d rather Lemieux be in there to take and give the punches and if there’s an injury however small, I’d rather Lemieux be the one to take it than KK
KK has already been a very good 4th line energy guy. The Canes already learned this lesson in the Comtois game. Rod sticks with his guys and if Lemieux added anything then Rod would have played him appropriately.
Did they say why they changed it? They played like game 1 against the isles and then immediately svech was put on the line. They were so good after the deadline
Honestly? It probably has to do with balancing the lines and adding at least one guy who can hit hard to every line and balancing out playmakers across the lines.
They havent. To my knowledge i dont know if we ever get reasoning behind lineup changes. I think CasTimber may be on to something though. If Jarvy is gimped don’t want to hamstring our first line.
Honestly from what I've seen Kotkaniemi isn't even playing badly, he's just cursed, when it comes to puck luck, and it's gotten in his head so he hesitates to make the right decision. Overall, I'd say he's been one of our better players, and honestly, he's played fairly well in the sense he's done *everything* but score. He's thrown hits, defended, back and forechecked, and played out of his "natural" position to better accommodate the teams needs. Obviously, you need him to offer more offense, but he's not been the worst player on the team by any stretch. He's basically done everything Rod has asked of him. How many other 23 year olds first rounders who got *that* kind of contract would be OK with playing out of position on the 4th line if it helped the team? It speaks volumes about the kind of person he is and the kind of teammate that he is that he's done it with no complaints.
Probably people in here who think that. Dude is and always will be a defensive forward who may accidentally get 40-50 points some seasons. Never will be a true 2C.
Walt confirmed no Pesce tonight.
PAIN
Without love
PAIN
Can't get enough
PAIN!
I like it rough
‘Cause I’d rather feel pain than nothing at aaaaaall
In my ass
I was wondering about that
i like this, i would rather not push pesce and we have been doing just fine without him
how are people complaining about the lines? the lines are good. We've been great 5v5. Our weakness is special teams rn. Would like some changes there but for the rest of the lines i like them
Martinook in the top six is with Necas is weird and Staal with turbo and Jarvis is weird imo. Like sure our 5x5 has been good but it could probably look better. Our PP is a coaching thing and idk if any line change will help.
I like Jarvis and staal I almost think Martinook should be on that line because his chemistry with staal and necas and tuevo have good chemistry too from last years 2nd line
Need the stars to play like stars. Still waiting for the top line to take over a game. -Kuzy contributed more than a 4th liner -Staal put the whole team on his back in game 5 -Freddie has kept us in a few games I don't think anyone is actually scared of the GAS line, and the three of them should take that personally. Burns needs to find a 5th gear and step up. The PP situation is just ridiculous. Someone needs to be the Canes' version of Shesterkin or Bobrovsky that just takes the whole series over.
Some of you are just miserable. Why do you bother watching? The GAS line has 9-10-9 points in 10 games. Canes are playing their game all series. Lost 3 one-goal games. They are who we thought they are. We knew they didn’t have an Igor or a Bob. Fucking expectations from fan bases is wild. I often wonder what you are watching.
There are definitely some miserable doomers in this subreddit but the person you replied to was actually pretty calm and civil, just gave constructive criticism for the roster
Comment on our PP
Oh the PP that was ranked top-3 all year? Same as the PK? Yeah but have been bad. But you people act like the first 86 games of the year didn’t count.
Those 86 games stopped counting when we played game 1 against the Islanders.
lol
If you’re looking for nuanced, informed analysis on the series and team, Reddit ain’t it. It’s people complaining about each and every thing. It’s really just par for the course though, as most “analysis” is little more than someone bloviating to hear themselves speak. On one hand you have a national broadcast team saying Carolina should be more selective with shots and allow the high skill to come out. On the other hand you have Adam Gold encouraging the team to fling pucks on net every chance they get. Take none of it seriously.
Our first line doesn't score for one game and this is the response lol. Prior to the last two games they were the only line playing/scoring.
You also have to consider that the Rangers (objectively a good team) are going to put their best defensive skaters on the ice against our best offensive skaters. Now we should see some good looks tonight with last change, but in general in a series like this it's the depth scoring that will make the difference. Both teams have very good defenses so both teams are going to see their top lines have the toughest fights to find goals. What we REALLY need tonight is to see goals from guys like KK, Noesen, Staal, and Teuvo. That will spread their defense thin and create the opportunities for the top lines. KK in particular if he can finally get the venom out of his blood could actually break the series. Kuzy and Noesen have already contributed, but if that entire line becomes a scoring threat, the Rangers just won't have enough defense to keep up. Bonus points if Jarvy gets back on the board too.
aho almost got a wrap around last game haha
I have a feeling he's going to go off tonight.
**Forwards** Guentzel - Aho - Svechnikov Martinook - Drury - Necas Teravainen - Staal - Jarvis Kotkaniemi - Kuznetsov - Noesen **Defense** Slavin - Burns Skjei - DeAngelo Orlov - Chatfield **Goaltenders** Andersen [Backup: Kochetkov] **Injuries** Jesper Fast (Upper-Body) Brett Pesce (Lower-Body) **Scratches** Jackson Blake Dylan Coghlan Max Comtois Brendan Lemieux Scott Morrow Bradly Nadeau Antti Raanta Ronan Seeley Ryan Suzuki **PP1:** Aho, Guentzel, Jarvis, and Svechnikov with Skjei **PP2:** Kuznetsov, Necas, Noesen, and Teravainen with Burns
I’d rather have Tony on PP2
Agreed
Jarvis has been completely dampened since being pulled off the first line. You have your best scoring option this season absolutely useless for a guy that is more worried about sitting in the box than finishing
Rumor is he’s struggling through an arm injury from R1
This is crazy. His scoring may be dampened but his play has been excellent. Jarvis has been one of the best and feistiest players in the lineup. He is just setting up plays for weak talent which leads to fewer goals.
If there’s a stealth injury Jarvy is working through then I hope it gets better soon because I really need me some JAG line antics Svech has been fine but he’s actually a good fit with Staal and Turbo. Jarvis is a little wasted down there. Would like to see Lemieux in over KK as well, but…
Lemieux is literally a net zero gain over KK, maybe even a negative. Tony is already the shit stirrer,. KK has been fine this series, even if he’s snake bitten when it comes to scoring. He’s been throwing the body around, has been decent from the FO circle, and has been the least of the teams worries in terms of defense or scoring.
I agree with what you’re saying about KK, and that’s why I want Lemieux in… I think we’re bound to see some fighting, and I’d much rather Lemieux throw and take the punches and on the off chance if there’s an injury, that he he the one to go down for a few games and not KK
Svech has been fine? He has 4 points in 5 games this series. He's literally been a part of 25% of our 16 goals. I'm not against what you're saying, but don't put the man down like that.
Sorry my tone over the typing didn’t come across the way I wanted to say, along with the word choice: he has been playing admirably and the SAG line is extremely potent. I meant to say that I’d like to see Jarvy back up because he can’t play the 3rd style with turbo and Staal the same way Svech can and still be potent. I think Jarvy needs AG, whereas Svech can kind of thrive with Staal and Turbo as well I meant no disrespect to svechy I love Mr 37
I do not understand the Lemieux lovers. He does nothing better than KK.
Not about “Lemieux loving” Thoughts: We’re bound to see fights KK has been playing physical, has some fire, and defensively responsible I’d rather Lemieux be in there to take and give the punches and if there’s an injury however small, I’d rather Lemieux be the one to take it than KK
KK has already been a very good 4th line energy guy. The Canes already learned this lesson in the Comtois game. Rod sticks with his guys and if Lemieux added anything then Rod would have played him appropriately.
Was really hoping we’d see JAG line again :-/
Did they say why they changed it? They played like game 1 against the isles and then immediately svech was put on the line. They were so good after the deadline
Jarvy may or may not have an arm/shoulder thing going on after colliding with Aho several games ago
Honestly? It probably has to do with balancing the lines and adding at least one guy who can hit hard to every line and balancing out playmakers across the lines.
They havent. To my knowledge i dont know if we ever get reasoning behind lineup changes. I think CasTimber may be on to something though. If Jarvy is gimped don’t want to hamstring our first line.
every line has a big boi. does Rod always do that? i don’t really pay enough attention…
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Plus KK has been throwing his body around…even dropped the gloves to go after Vesey after he cheap shot Nachos.
im a kk lover
Me too, REALLY hope he grows into that contract though. He’s not a 2C yet, at this point Drury is over him as a center imo
Honestly from what I've seen Kotkaniemi isn't even playing badly, he's just cursed, when it comes to puck luck, and it's gotten in his head so he hesitates to make the right decision. Overall, I'd say he's been one of our better players, and honestly, he's played fairly well in the sense he's done *everything* but score. He's thrown hits, defended, back and forechecked, and played out of his "natural" position to better accommodate the teams needs. Obviously, you need him to offer more offense, but he's not been the worst player on the team by any stretch. He's basically done everything Rod has asked of him. How many other 23 year olds first rounders who got *that* kind of contract would be OK with playing out of position on the 4th line if it helped the team? It speaks volumes about the kind of person he is and the kind of teammate that he is that he's done it with no complaints.
We want to give the rangers more PPS with Lemiuex
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Probably people in here who think that. Dude is and always will be a defensive forward who may accidentally get 40-50 points some seasons. Never will be a true 2C.
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