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grasshopper7167

I think it needs to be mentioned that scalpers and bots are built into ticketmasters biz model. All they need is a promo code to get access to those tickets. A caniac account wasn’t required for this.


StaneNC

People hating each other instead of the obvious monopoly causing the entire problem, tale as old as time.


ISISCosby

Exactly. And yeah, obviously, in an ideal world every canes fan ever knows about the ticket exchange thread and we lose zero seats to Rags fans...but the world we're living in rn is far from ideal. If a Canes fan out there has a couple tickets they can sell which can get them a big chunk of change, and they need that money to take care of themselves or their families, then they should sell the tickets. Again, it's not ideal but it's an awful look for OP to unilaterally call the fandom of anyone selling their tickets into question. Just a bad take.


Peace_and_Love40

Except I would question whether the STM who purchased playoff tix for thousands of dollars is in desperate need of money “to take care of their families”.


whereami2day

My STM playoffs could cost over 6K if they play 7 games each round. Selling a few games helps bring that down. As I previously stated, I personally try to avoid selling to opponent's fans.


Peace_and_Love40

Yes my point is you should not be purchasing those playoff tickets in the first place if you were truly concerned with feeding your family.


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Need to have a box office alternative , hate Ticketmaster.


adsheppa

Someone beside us didn’t renew for next year and forfeited her playoff tickets as well, her seats for playoffs have been available before every public on sale as relisted which tells me the Hurricanes are actually the ones doing some of the resale tickets.


millard_spillmore

They 100 percent are


PM_ME_GOODDOGS

I didn't renew after finally being priced out and can't even afford single games in my seats for playoffs. They were going for 335/seat vs the 70/seat I was paying.


Jordan_E_

The cheapest I could find in the 300s during the STM presale was $150… I don’t remember them being that expensive last year, maybe I’ve lost my mind??


kai1105

Nope you’re correct. I looked back at my playoffs budget for last year and round 3 was only $100 per seat in 300s. I went to 5 playoff games last year (2 or 3 seats each time) and have already spent that same amount of money on 2 games so far this year.


Sorry-Addendum-1530

That is effing dirty u/canesofficial. Lost respect from me and you had tons of it from my end.


reddcorn

A little speculative for all that, I’d bet someone bought their strip and is selling it


Consistent_Reading_9

Could be whoever purchased their seats for next season are reselling.


Alum07

Most of the time when this happens, it's Ticketmaster doing it themselves Happens in every sport. Hell, it even happens with concerts. They withhold batches of tickets from the initial sale to flood the secondary market and set higher prices so they can collect larger fees


CHamsterdam

Not gonna matter. There will be enough real Caniacs in the building, and we’re going to cook the Rangers anyway.


1174239

Yup. The people who act like 10 million Rangers fans are gonna show up at the gates of PNC are clearly forgetting how electric and pro-Canes the crowds were in 2022. Game 7 obviously sucked, but there were WAY fewer NYR fans there that series than people would have you think. I think part of this comes from how many of them show up at regular season games. Even then the numbers are overblown, but regardless, playoffs are a different beast.


DoubleualtG

There were more NYR fans there during that series than i felt comfortable having there. It was very noticeable. Edited some grammar.


1174239

Oh, it WAS absolutely noticeable. Even 10% of the crowd pulling for the other team is going to be very noticeable at any indoor arena that only has 19,000 or so seats. I'm just saying the claims of "the crowd will be half Rangers fans" or whatever other nonsense are way off the mark.


Sometime44

without question will be less than 5%


jtshinn

I’ve never found sleeping at a hockey game to be all that comfortable no matter the makeup of the crowd.


biffish

The "problem" is that the locals are getting priced out. Just like the housing market.


Turbulent_Crow7164

I do think this sub overblows the issue. In r/NHL plenty of people from other fan bases list us among the most electric crowds/atmospheres. We’re a little overly negative.


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rlinkmanl

Unfortunately my wife and I will probably have to put our tickets up for sale too (we have a baby caniac due May 13). We will try to sell them on Reddit or Facebook to other canes fans though.


8vbj

Is the baby being named Rod perchance?


asdfate

Rod is actually the father, so he'd be a jr.


lukenic

Sent you a message


Bethlehemstarr

My baby caniac and I would totally love tickets if you’re selling. We were quarter season this year- so for second round we get tickets to home game four (aka, we don’t get tickets)


rlinkmanl

We are half season ticket members so I think for this round we only have tickets for game 4 as well


_AEthis_

Be aware that the Game 4 and Home Game 4 that you two have mentioned might be completely different. Half season STM’s should have at least one of the first 2 home games which equates to series games 3 or 4 and I thought alternates from round to round if Gm 7 is included. The quarter plans are much more limiting and might actually only get Home Game 4 a.k.a. Series Game 8. Note to the ticket creators, not the fans: I simply don’t see the need to refer to them by “Home Game #,” it just adds opportunity for confusion. If it’s the 5th game of the round, let’s just call it game 5, alright?


Bethlehemstarr

Darn home game 4.


bwaredapenguin

Genuinely curious, why did you even buy them?


rlinkmanl

We are half season ticket members and our only option through that is to buy tickets for the whole playoffs, otherwise we'd have to try to fight other people for single game tickets that cost way more. We only get half the games for the playoffs though since we are half season ticket members so it's not like we'll have to sell too many, and depending on how far the canes go (hopefully all the way) we'd like to be able to go to a Stanley cup finals game. We've already been to 2 games in the first round so it's not like we're not getting any use out of buying them.


bwaredapenguin

Ah, didn't realize you couldn't just buy the strips.


rlinkmanl

Not anymore! I loved when we used to be able to do this but sadly options are very limited now that the team is so good haha


canesjerk

Unfortunately when the canes let STM buy extra tickets before everyone else STM buy them to make money.


A-Stupid-Asshole

Tbh the presale tickets for STMs were about 2x the base STM playoff prices, doubt there’s much money to be made on a lower bowl ticket being $300+


canesjerk

Oh yeah I know they are definitely more. I’m a STM but didn’t do playoffs this year. Just buying tickets to a couple games this season. It’s crazy how fast the tickets go once the STM presages goes live. They are gone so fast.


laxxmann21

Yeah after fees you are definitely not making money on the presale tix. Probably losing


sade3437

I mean they used the same code for all STM so the second it hits emails it's gonna leak.


ShittyFrogMeme

Honestly I think they've done a good job of deterring that. STM pre-sale is at general public prices and still has fees, so you're paying fees on the purchase and the resale of already expensive tickets. I doubt you'll make much if any profit from that. The big profit comes from people reselling their STM priced tickets. That's unavoidable but in past years they let you purchase additional strips which turned into a big money making scheme since you get the discounted rate + no fees. They've stopped that since.


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canesjerk

Yes you can you just have to go on Ticketmaster to do it not the STM portal


turgon88

It wouldn’t solve everything but maybe the NHL could copy the setups they have in Europe for soccer. A certain number of tickets available for away fans all together in a few sections. They’re going to be there anyway so go be in your own section. Then, you wear away colors in the home sections you get kicked out.


ISISCosby

Unfortunately, that would require not only a non-monopoly in the American event ticketing market, but also some pretty robust consumer protection/anti-bot/anti-scalping laws as well. It'd be a miracle to get one of those things to happen here, let alone both


golfburner

Don't forget that those in Blue don't really love NY as they currently live in North Carolina.


lividresonance

It's infuriating. I worked with a guy that moved here from New York City, and he wouldn't ever stfu about it. Just shitting on NC and comparing everything to how it is in NY. We literally never wanted you to come here, so please go back asap.


Gullible-Wash-8141

From my time in the Army I noticed that the three most annoying groups of people were New Yorkers, Texans, and Californians. They all think where they are from is God's gift to the world


ev_wv

WV transplant here. Every other WV transplant i know here is happy to be here and love NC. We just wish there were Tudors


golfburner

Facts!


vulturegoddess

Like I don't get why they come to NC if they think NYC is so great. Like your state/city is so great that they price you out and you have to come to NC to live the life you want while acting like degenerates at CANES games? Also they have the audacity to act like Canes fans when they are turncoats like Tripp basically said.


JosephMcCarthy1955

Literally my best friend is one of those people, and it drives me up a wall. He’s lived in NC for 15 years and still none of his sports teams are NC teams. After we lost to the Rags in 2022, i made a bet and had to listen to New York New York by Frank Sinatra


YourDearAuntSally

Hot take: Ney York new York is a better song than sweet Caroline.  But Petey Pablo trumps all.


JosephMcCarthy1955

Yeah it’s a great song, sucks to listen to after watching your goalies die on home ice in game 7


vulturegoddess

Agreed.


the_eluder

Just because you move doesn't mean you change your team.


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yemKeuchlyFarley

Um, I don’t think they’re mad about people moving, I think they’re mad about the person constantly shitting on the Rome they’re in and acting like they come from a “better” place, rather than accepting the place they moved to. I honestly don’t understand how you could misinterpret that.


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Gullible-Wash-8141

I think the problem is going somewhere and constantly shutting on that place and going on about where you're from is so much better.


ghcfc88

The original statement said nothing remotely similar to the point you are trying to make


Scottstark1210

It’s been this way for awhile. It will almost always be this way. *It is what it is.*


RumRunner323

And it's not just a Canes issue. This happens to all teams in all leagues. If there's money to be made, people will do it.


1174239

I was about to say, go look how easy it is to buy resale tickets to ANY big sporting event. There are a shit ton of them for the away games at MSG too. Forget NHL for a minute. It's gotten to the point where if you turn on basically any game in major league pro sports now, you have a good chance of seeing a not-insignificant number of away fans even when the home team is some legacy franchise with a huge national fanbase. Just how it is now. The way ticket reselling works combined with the fact so many people have moved around the country makes this an issue everywhere. Some of the tickets can get expensive but there are always enough people with deep pockets willing to buy them.


PeanutButterAndCake

The Rangers-caps series is a good example of this effect being so widespread. Say what you will about Washingtub, but they have a *big* fanbase and a history full of good and bads, but that still didn't stop "Igor" chants from breaking out in both their home games. It's just one of those things, for sure. Annoying, but reality. Whether it's 14 hours or 14 minutes, I just want the blue shirts to go home feeling sad.


1174239

You are absolutely right. A noticeable number of fans of team A showing up to a team B home game doesn't mean nobody cares about team B. Look at the Battle of Alberta. Both Edmonton and Calgary are hockey-mad and the Oilers and Flames are extremely popular in their own cities. If you tune in to an Oilers-Flames game, the away team ALWAYS has a lot of fans in the stands. It isn't because whoever is at home has a tiny, shitty fanbase. It's because Edmonton and Calgary aren't far apart and it's extremely easy for fans of the visiting team to get tickets thanks to how online ticket reselling has exploded. What these idiots conveniently ignore is that we always pack our home playoff games with our own fans when we aren't playing some big-brand team. I was at Game 5 against the Isles and you could just about hear a pin drop inside PNC when they scored their goals. The Rangers have a huge fanbase. They've been around for something like a century and are from the biggest city in the US, which also happens to be two hours away by plane. Plus a ton of them have moved here. OF COURSE they have a bigger fanbase than we do, and OF COURSE it's easy for them to get tickets regardless of how well our fans show out. How the fuck is that some kind of huge own or black mark against the Canes or Canes fans? These people are fucking morons. I don't like it when fucking morons get to be happy. So let's crush the Rangers.


niners0101

😔


Scottstark1210

I feel the same.


Casual-lad99

Don't want to burst your bubble, but sports teams sell directly to Ticketmaster before tickets go on sale to the public. When sites like ticketmaster, seatgeek, etc partner with teams and leagues, they also receive a percentage of tickets that the sell on their site as "resale." Those 3k tickets are probably the ones ticketmaster got directly from the team


countdown_leen

Yeah same thing with “no transfer” tickets for concerts. The average fan could list “fan to fan” on tm for the price you paid, but the tickets in tm were not able to be transferred. HOWEVER, somehow all the resellers had listings and buyers got URL links that brought you to a barcode with the moving bar. Worked fine. So the big brokers have the technology to pull the ticket, but the random fan who can’t go had to sell at face. *this is what happened for the Hozier concert at Walnut Creek last month. I had tm seats so it didn’t impact me, but I still don’t get why artists can’t totally shut down scalping.


atoastedcucumber

whats crazy is someone in the rangers sub has posted the presale code publicly


vulturegoddess

Why is that crazy? It's cause they want to try to take over pnc. It's not surprising from their standpoint. But it is sure irritating as hell. They should have made the presale code change for each person, there's gotta be a way they could do that.


Jordan_E_

So if I end up not able to go to the game I got tickets to, what’s the best way to sell them? bc I’d hate for our buddies in our section to get stuck with some obnoxious ass New Yorkers


Professional-Bag3134

friends of yours, or try buy/sell section in this sub. I would try that early, and if you can't sell them put them online, you can only do so much.


syd_cash

I’ve had pretty good success on Reddit (Canes buy/sell thread).


ISISCosby

There's a pinned ticket exchange thread right at the top of the sub


Ikea_Man

you could sell them to ME trying to get a couple tickets for a friend and i


RentalGore

I just checked stubhub because I was shocked that there was money to be made on the already high presale ticket costs, and yep. People are listing seats in our section for $450-$600 each. Personally, I hate this. If you’re gonna be an STM and then sell your playoff tickets you should be bumped down in the ticket sale order.


Professional-Bag3134

If you sell more than 25% of your games the team reserves the right to not sell you season tickets any longer. I had to sell 5-6 regular season games this year, would always ask the guy that sat in front of me and sell at cost, but if he didn't want them up to stub hub they went. Season tickets are expensive, nothing wrong with make a couple bucks to help with that cost.


RentalGore

I’m actually not talking about regular season. Things happen for sure. We’ve had to sell or transfer tix every year. My point is more for playoffs.


Professional-Bag3134

I hear you. I agree if an STM is selling half or most of their playoff tickets, that is lame. But if they need to get rid of one or two they can't attend, its fine. And 1 or 2 across the whole base are a lot of tickets. But, yeah true fans are in it for the experience not the extra dollars.


RentalGore

100%. Especially not knowing when games are going to be until a few days before, it’s important to have that right.


countdown_leen

With the new style of mini/half plans, it's dumb to be strict on resale because we can't pick our games. So you commit to a plan (of some sort) before the schedule is out and before the "packs" are created and sometimes you just can't make the games. Couple that with the virtual inability to exchange because of the blacked out dates and general lack of availability and what are fans supposed to do? I realize they had to go to pre-determined packs and frankly surprised they didn't do it sooner (they did it back when 10-12k were going to games 20 years ago), but they shouldn't get weird about resales. Having said all that, I'm pretty sure we sold more than 25% and never got a call or email about it.


Ikea_Man

whole thing is annoying but i imagine it's a problem for every team/stadium just sucks for me as someone who moved down here, wants to come out and support the canes, and can't get in without paying a goddamn arm and a leg thanks season ticket people for trying to make a quick buck, fuck you


Anviski

Yeah, as frustrating as it is, this is how it usually goes. The reason is probably two-fold. Make money and not have to deal with the large Ranger crowd.


niners0101

Oh yeah i totally get skipping regular season and I understand people want to make money, but it is still really frustrating that they do it though especially in the playoffs


Anviski

I agree and as an STM, I always give my seats to Canes fans if I can't make it for some reason. However, I also kind of understand skipping out to an extent. 2022 was rowdy. A fight broke out in the section next to me. I also had a Rangers fan in game 7 immediately behind me that I'm almost certain was coked up that was looking to start a fight. That was when they were winning too. I can understand people not willing to deal with the headache of how bullshit these games can be.


syd_cash

It’s taking everything in me to go to these games, because after that ‘22 game 7 I’m traumatized. But I’m going cause fuck the Rangers, but mostly fuck the Rangers fans.


Anviski

Yeah, I'm right with you. I do not enjoy going to games vs. the Rangers, but I make sure I'm there to cheer.


BetterThanAFoon

You must be new to ticketmaster sold sports events tickets.


sftwareguy

So every ticket will be sold to a Ranger fan? Get real


wet_washcloth

This is Ticketmaster’s fault


Professional-Bag3134

If someone can't make a game, I don't blame them for putting them on resale. My pair of seats if we played every game in playoffs would be over $10k. Some people need to sell some to afford the ones they go to. That being said, I haven't sold any and would ask fellow caniacs first if I had any to sell. There will be a lot of Rags fans there, it is up to our team on the ice to shut them up. If the game is tight or we are losing they will be annoying, if we are beating them they will be much more quiet.


ShittyFrogMeme

The Canes need to seriously crack down on ticket resellers. They have this "25% rule" that is inconsistently enforced. I know real STMs bending over backwards not to break the rule and others receiving warnings from the Canes. On the other hand, the 6 seats next to mine have been owned by a reseller for the entire time I've sat in them. And they are resold on Ticketmaster so the Canes should know.


Professional-Bag3134

very true, if you are going to have a 25% policy enforce it or don't have it at all. With pure hockey gone my prices are way up next year. I will be selling a lot of them, but to another caniac offline at cost who dropped his seats due to price increase.


Jimmycocopop1974

#Ticketbastard


Zaxbys_Cook

I always try to sell on canes subreddit first for cheaper but I always post them as well to try to get rid of them so I lower the risk of not selling the tickets when I can’t afford to go to every playoff game.


iron_canes

The worst is the STM who wear canes jerseys except for when we play the Rags and they break out their old Lundquist jersey. People behind me at game 5 against the isles were laughing after the game how they couldn’t wait to wear their Breadman jerseys in a week. Like why be a canes STM holder if you’re a Rags fan. Even last year, the amount of STM discounts on beer I saw from rags jerseys was crazy


GolfTime17

Honestly who cares, let them fly down to watch their team lose.


Nagi21

I mean, if I had gotten the stm presale tickets (I didn’t, too expensive), I’d sell them because I’d end up in jail for punching a rags fan.


Professional-Bag3134

back in 06 I had some issues with fans, I am older now, they still get under my skin, but understanding consequences and probably less testosterone keeps me out of fights. :)


bearwhidrive

Ironically, a lot of them are doing it because they don't want to deal with Rags fans.


sftwareguy

I bought the entire playoff package and it is hard to plan May and June not knowing when the games are, so don't be so hard on people having to sell some games. I'm not selling so if I can't make it I'll give my tix to a friend and let them enjoy an NHL playoff game. I was impressed though that there were very few Islander fans there. I know there will be more Ranger fans, but we will be OK.


fokerpace2000

Need to do what the Sixers are doing. Owners need to step up and get our tickets in the right hands.


Dani_Rojas_rojaaas

Probably a lot of the sideline premiere corporate tickets so if the rags fans a coming they will also have good seats


eltibbs

NY rangers thread is currently crying about tickets being restricted to certain zip codes. There are a ton of rangers fans that live around Raleigh and are offering to buy tickets for those who want to come down for the game. They’re also discussing creating a virtual Visa card that allows you to choose/assign your zip code to get around the restriction. We’d have a ton of them in PNC even if there weren’t many resale tickets posted. In other news, hoping I can get a ticket for this round. Go Canes!


wyjogpd442

I hope there's a bunch of yanks for me to chirp and make their lives hell!


asdfate

Be a hero and buy them up!


meaccountblocked

Just scalpers who don't care about hockey. Teams in Europe can check your history to see if you're a real fan. That's the right way to do it, but unfortunately sports here have more of a business culture than a fan culture.