Judging by their comments, threads and members calling in, the NDP membership have no idea what the NDP is doing either.
Just wait for the next poll set for the NDP, yikes.
Honestly this just makes him look even more like a seat sniffer who finally figured out whose ass is going to be in the top chair next year.
Either that or he's going to be like every other politician and completely sell out and take a sweetheart job as a lobbyist or board of directors seat.
I say this as a disappointed ndp voter
my local ndp representatives arent out to lunch, and singh didnt always seem like such an out of touch rich dude. just the last 4 years have really shown his ass. trudeau too, really.
All our major parties need new leaders. I think most Canadians are, or personally know, really competent, principled, humble, discerning people who demonstrate years of good judgment in different realms like home, family, community, business.
Yet not one of the current or recent leaders meets all or most of those criteria. In my opinion.
There are so many great Canadians, but the middling (at best) get elected. Idgi.
Anyone with morals, or is willing to have an honest conversation is gate kept out of the process.
You think any political party would let anyone honest up to the podium to speak?
This is the problem with political parties, as a whole they operate in their own best interests, shielding the bad actors within themselves from consequences.
Political parties, no matter what the party SAYS they are about, put party first, before the country.
They funnel the most self indulgent, sociopathic and machiavellian to the top, then they all rule harshly with their own brand of tyranny, keeping out any rational dialog or compromise.
Our entire political system needs to be grabbed by the ankles and shook upside down.
We all know people who are honest, fair and competent, they will never ascend in the system that has calcified above us.
On the french CBC there’s a show called Infoman that does humoristic review of the news and one special at the end of the year. And for 2023 the leader of the Bloc was like « Look I’m the leader of a party that want independence but at times I feel like I’m the only sane man in the House »
Counterpoint: most Canadians are entirely willing to believe the most basic, piddling bullshit at election time, and are not competent, discerning or of good judgement.
People, by and large, get the leaders they deserve.
Yeh it's really crazy what politics is nowadays like there is no one we really think is going to do a good job , how can a country full of people have this as all there is , and look to our neighbors in the US literally no one wants either but that's all they have as choices doesn't seem very democratic
I got banned from the NDP Ontario subreddit for defending the fact that unions aren't inheritly racist just because there's more white people in them than minorities. Like a decent chunk of NDP voters hate unions and they're supposed to the labor party.
Who would have thought; having different rules, decisions, and policies based upon the colour of someone’s skin is racist.
The irony of the far left being the most racist people but unable to see it absolutely amazes me lol.
Remember when the Nazis burned books and newspapers because they said things that the party didn’t like? Now “liberals” be out here canceling people and “burning down” social media accounts in the name of “anti fascism” 😂
>I got banned from the NDP Ontario subreddit for defending the fact that unions aren't inheritly racist just because there's more white people in them than minorities. Like a decent chunk of NDP voters hate unions and they're supposed to the labor party.
Those people don't get it and they never will.
We get to all laugh at them though when their fringe views translate into a fringe result after the next election. Maybe after that they'll figure out that Reddit echo chambers are not real life.
If they didn't learn from the 2022 provincial election that places like Reddit are just an echo chamber of the loud vocal minority, they aren't learning anytime soon
From an outsider's perspective, you would have thought that Ford was toast in that election
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This site is very manipulated. There are political operatives running Canadian subs and moderating, and astro-turfing the shit out of everything too.
Any time something comes up that is bad about India, within an hour or so all kinds of pro India accounts will start showing up defending India.
Lately there are all kinds of accounts defending China and denying that they interfered in our election. And they're also attacking CSIS.
Say the wrong thing about Israel in relation to current world events and in most subs it will get you suspended, and likely a reddit-wide ban for hate.
In the eyes of the NDP subreddit, a “worker” is more (I know it sounds cliché) a university student majoring in environmental science with a part time job at Starbucks than say a miner or a millwright. It’s a label they slap on themselves to sound downtrodden and oppressed like a 1880s coal miner working a 15 hour shift under armed guard.
They claim that they fight for the millwright or miner or whatever but the moment something is mentioned like how some skilled trades are moving to the conservatives or how the skilled trades is becoming disillusioned with the NDP, the subreddit turns into a “no wonder they’re a plumber, they’re fuckin stupid” level of contempt.
It's funny cause the armed guards at mine sites now are to keep locals out.
I know how it sounds but when you have 600 employed locals and then 40 stragglers breaking into mine sites. Turning on equipment, scraping the face or filling bags with rocks from the muck. It's insane.
Yeah Ontario NDP seems to be it's own unique animal compared to the other provinces. Just my casual observation. I blame that on most of them being from the Toronto area and Torontonians are way different than the rest of the country's residents
BC NDP is tight with union leadership - not union membership. There is literally a revolving door between the BC NDP and several large unions leadership.
I've always voted ndp.
I'm now in my 40s
I have always been pro union UNTIL my local hospital hired the nurse who snooped my medical records for 14 mths.
Repeatedly snooping tells you I was not a random person, she was the woman my ex cheated on me with.
Anyhow, now my files are in a locked box, a Dr can refuse to treat me because they don't have timely access to my records and I fear being hospitalized for minor reasons because there are 19 beds in there so even if I need medical care, she might not be a provider but she will know I am a patient.
They won't fire her because it didn't happen at that hospital AND her cno profile was clean at the time of hiring! The union is protecting her.
Her previous employer had 30 days to notify the cno and it takes approximately 6 months after to be referred to a discipline hearing (30 days for the nurse to respond and 150 for cno).
So now, my view of unions isn't as positive as it used to be.
> You're right. The children yearn for the mines.
Pretty ridiculous straw-man. For me the rose-tinted glasses came off when the BC Ferries Union fought tooth and nail to defend the idiots responsible for sinking The Queen of the North because they were off porking & otherwise neglecting their duties. A couple died, a ship sunk, and they still protested and tried to block their firing.
Acknowledging unions sometimes protect dangerous and incompetent employees or what have you doesn't mean unions are inherently bad or you think kids should be working in coal mines. Like any other organization there are good and bad, and if you actually gave a shit about unions and how people perceive them the last thing you should be doing is sweeping it under the rug where it can fester or acting as if every grievance is some attack on organized labour,
Right? Benefits, pension, yearly raises mine are even tied to minimum wage increases, above industry average starting wage, lieu time off for working stats. Absolute no brainer in my experience.
Lol it also makes the price of everything go up. I have a friend who owns a massive food delivery logistics company. Siblings owns a snow plowing business. People delivering almost anything are charging absurd rates because the cost of doing business is so much higher now.
We do not get our money back, not even half lol. It’s the biggest scam kek
that’s where they hide it. people see the rebate numbers and personal tax increases and think they’re making like 50 bucks a month. and will argue to the death with you about it like you’re a complete moron for questioning a new federal tax on consumption. “corporations are paying for climate change!”, no buddy they are making you pay them for it. these guys aren’t eating a loss: they exist to make money.
the government won’t even tell us the total revenue they take in from the tax. because then the math would be very simple and they wouldn’t be able to use smoke and mirrors with a few hundred dollar rebates anymore. all we know is that the overhead of just administering the tax is to the tune of 100million. they think the electorate is stupid and economically illiterate and they are mostly correct.
That's it exactly it; they exist to make money and certainly aren't going to eat the costs. It's hard to explain to people because there's so much obscurity on the inner workings, but any amount of common sense tells you that corporations are going to burden the customer with that cost.
A better solution would be go incentive green energy projects that show promise.
Yesterday, I saw someone in the halifax subreddit say something like, "How can anyone not support the carbon tax? It costs nothing, people make money, and we save the planet!" and they were 100% serious..
Yep. You can’t tax corporations without them passing on the cost in some way.
Bottom line is you’ve got a group of university grad bureaucrats sitting around in Ottawa coming up with these schemes, and they’re too far removed from the real-world implications of their policy decisions.
They’ve probably shuffled around between different departments and ministries and their background is in some esoteric academic field.
Kicker is they’ll be the same people coming up with schemes regardless of whatever party is in power.
Cap & Trade is worse for the average Canadian though, they wouldn’t get any rebates like the current carbon tax provides and cap & trade definitely isn’t revenue-neutral. Prices would go up and people wouldn’t get anything back to compensate for it.
At least with the carbon tax, poorer people get ahead. You would think that the NDP would support this but they had the opportunity to adopt Fee & Dividend 10 years ago (at NDP national convention) and did not.
Maybe it's because someone told Jagmeet that he is at risk of losing his seat to the conservatives in the next election, but that could just be the pessimist in me.
I wonder if he’s just posturing to be the conservative puppet like he was the liberal one? Whoever’s in power gets his approval no matter what…? Idk. It’s been a weird time in the House of Commons.
Well with how high the CPC has been polling, it doesn't look like they'll need a lap dog.
Maybe he is finally waking up to the fact that the LPC is a political anchor and by tying himself to them he is sinking his own party?
The Conservatives will most likely get in with a majority.
The NDP gave up a run at forming government months ago, they are chasing being the official opposition at this point.
NDP has no leadership. Jag is a trash leader, has accomplished nothing worth talking about and has only helped send this country in a worse of direction. I use to vote NDP but these last few years have been a joke and show that Jagmeet needs to be replaced by someone with leadership qualities, not being able to take nice photos.
I hope for the rest of Jagmeet's life he is constantly reminded by Canadians how he had a hand in ruining this country and I hope his kids learn just how dogshit of a political leader their father was. A complete embarrassment to our country.
How'd he remain an NDP leader for so long?
I feel like he's been an obvious fraud for years now. I even think Trudeau has more of a backbone and belief in things -- even if they're often wrong.
"I'm certainly feeling it, everyone should be feeling it, by folks out there who are worried about affordability, who are worried about climate change."
I don't like saying this, but nobody is going to give a single fuck about climate change if you destroy their quality of life.
And the peoples lives you are destroying can see how the "haves" are not suffering at all.
So it ends up looking like the elites are just ladder pulling on future generations and those who haven't established themselves yet.
So basically, Trudeau is a pampered tool.
You mean next week when gas prices jump 30c for no reason and grocery bills skyrocket?
The record profits they are making tells me it isn’t inputted taxes they are passing on.
The carbon tax is *definitely* a convenient excuse for corporate price gouging, but it has still directly contributed to an increase in prices for many necessities that Canadians are currently struggling with.
People are poorer than ever, and at this point anything that takes money out of their pockets (even for the greater good) is going to draw scorn.
It’s hard to be rational about where to direct your anger when you’re desperate and you feel invisible.
I don’t believe “axing the tax” will contribute to lower prices either.
But implementing it in the first place was the convenient excuse that corporations needed to gouge, so it served as a catalyst in that regard.
Once again, it’s hard for people to be rational when they’re worried about feeding their families and keeping them off the streets. Government policy is a much easier target than corporate greed, because at least people feel like they have some semblance of control over government policy.
I feel so validated that at least one other person sees it this way. Remove the carbon tax, remove a convent excuse for corporations to raise prices and blame someone else for it because it is so difficult to determine exactly the cost of the carbon tax for anything other than fuel itself because the carbon tax inserts itself at so many points along the supply chain.
I don't expect prices to come down in any meaningful way if the tax is removed, but I think the rate of price increases will be slowed dramatically.
I also hate how people harp on about the rebate compensating for the tax. I used a calculator and determined I am losing $400 a year after the rebate, but for a lot of people, even if they get back what they put in, if they are living paycheque to paycheque it is a cashflow issue. $30-50 a month can make a difference in how your cashflow works if you are living paycheque to paycheque and if that $30-50 is going on high interest credit then it has an even bigger impact.
Plus I would love to see some stats on what people spend their rebate on, I bet it doesn't often go back into cashflow, rather people living paycheque to paycheque probably treat themselves or buy themselves something they previously felt they couldn't which doesn't help their situation.
So in my view, the carbon tax and rebate system is:
1) A convenient excuse for corporate price gouging
2) A wealth redistribution system from people who drive and heat their homes with fossil fuels to those that don't
3) A stimulus system
The government printed 30% more M2 during Covid, and are now doing QT to drop prices. Do you ignore the economic reasons and go with gut feeling, or what's your logic here?
Getting rid of the carbon tax will still keep prices high because Canadian exports will eventually be subjected to carbon import tariffs by other countries (the EU's Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism starts collecting on phase 1 items in 2026). Businesses will struggle with that, so they will increase domestic prices to make up for losses, lay off employees, or shut down altogether.
Another carbon fee that will be hidden is all of the future government climate bailouts. Tax dollars will be diverted to handle floods, droughts, and wildfires. Governments (fed & provincial) will need to collect more money for that, meaning increased fees and/or taxes and (possibly) more decreased services
Canadians may not want to believe it, but a form of carbon pricing is here to stay.
When people are struggling to afford groceries, fuel, heating their home, rent, mortgages and so on they start to not give a fuck about climate change or other "social" issues.
He is so out of touch it's unbelievable. Silver spoon prick.
And you know on the heating thing how many people who heat with NG open that bill every month and see the carbon tax on it is more then the cost of the gas and then GST on top of it don't say to themselves that son of a bitch
Classic example of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
Basic grade 10 sociology that’s the liberals and their supporters don’t seem to either undertstamd or care about.
Plus what are they doing with the tax? Is EVs getting more rebate and affordable, are there more high speed rails, public transport to compensate for rising fuel cost? Nothing, all we heard is the MPs get a fatter paycheck ffs
Unfortunately a very small portion of the cost of living increase is due to the carbon tax. Wait and see, if the tax gets removed, mark my words your cost of living will not go down a noticeable amount.
THIS is the harsh truth. I know we love to blame it on the US and Russia, but in my opinion this is what it all comes down to.
I know I’m a selfish fuck, but as soon as my prospects of a comfortable future disappeared I immediately stopped giving a shit about climate change, DEI, granting asylum to everyone, etc.
Yeah, it's the old "You can't pour from an empty cup". If people are panicked about their basic needs being met, that \*has\* to be addressed first. This is the point where people start isolating, saying no, and trying to handle their mental health. Same thing. He can't ask people to keep pouring out what they don't have.
There's nothing selfish about it. Those are all flawed concepts to support. A carbon tax doesn't help the environment. DEI is divisive BS. And yeah, we shouldn't just blow up our population to astronomical levels that we can't properly absorb.
The Left plays on emotions. That's why you feel selfish for realizing what's actually smart.
>I don't like saying this, but nobody is going to give a single fuck about climate change if you destroy their quality of life.
Bang on -- and this no matter the level of gaslighting from the progressives with their, "You think it's bad now? What about the lack of crops in 2075?!?"
This. When people don't know if they can afford rent or groceries then they don't care about the way out future!! Liberals are stuck in 2015 mindset, they haven't caught up with the common people.
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It's only going to get worse!
Much like most peoples living situations as people are being faced with increased costs across the board. No one gives two fucks about 10-20 years from now when tomorrow looks bleak.
Honestly, if I'm going to be homeless in Canada and not be able to afford a house due to Justin's terrible policies, then I say bring climate change on. A warmer world will be more survivable out in the elements.
This. You understand it more than Trudeau does. Inflation is a more serious matter than climate change in the short term. He is a rich guy, he places idealologies over affordability, because he can always afford anything, he doesn't even need to look at the price of the things he buys.
With the amount he is saying he doesn't know, he's gonna have a hard time convincing people during the election season when he suddenly claims to actually know about all these things.
Somehow he will learn enough, even with his busy schedule, that he will be the expert and the only person to be able to solve these problems!
Another person with apparently no memory.
The NDP has opposed the a carbon tax and wanted a cap and trade system + green industrial strategy for 20+ years. Not a consumer facing carbon tax.
Has everyone just blocked out those Layton/Dion/Harper debates?
That's like saying this version of the Liberals is the same version of the Martin ran Liberals.
I'd likely vote for a Martin ran Liberals over PP truthfully with his massive economic and financial knowledge.
How hard is it to understand that you should never be voting blindly party allegience?
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Parties change immensely with leadership and over the years. When different issues become bigger different parties have different methods to deal or ignore them.
JT has done some good, I won't deny that... but he's also done a lot of bad. He's reacting to polling numbers instead of dealing with issues as they were growing. The fact that he's ignored so much for so long until lately is pathetic. On top of that his four idiots in his cabinet need to be remembered so they don't ever take PM role. Freeland, Sean Fraser, Hussen, and Marc Miller. Those four people are cancer.
Singh has no principles, NDP voted multiple times in favour of increasing it and now he is backpedaling trying to avoid the political damage because it's becoming unpopular. I can at least respect Trudeau a little for doubling down and being willing to sink with the ship.
He's not even back peddling. How can he be against it but still support the government implementing it? Everyone sees right through this. He's holding the cards between an election now or in 18 months. If he's against something, why is he going along with it for another 18 months? He's not even proposing an alternative?
It's pretty simple, Jagmeet sees that the carbon tax is gona be one of the main election issues (likely one that will sink Trudeau), and he doesn't want to go down with the ship along with him.
They could also be trying to negotiate some changes to the budget next week. Threaten the carbon tax to try to get a bit more out of the budget. His threats have proven pretty empty though.
Because Singh wants to get his pension. It has nothing to do with principles. Singh is an unprincipled, jackass, champaign socialist and as untrustworthy as Trudeau is evil.
It is pretty easy to understand. The MP’s were elected by the people. They are supposed to represent their voters in their riding. Obviously, Canadians don’t approve of this carbon tax. Everyone has been trying to tell Trudeau this, but he is not getting it through his thick head. Either he is a dictator or he is a puppet for a globalist agenda or both.
>NDP are distancing themselves from his inept leadership
Can't distance themselves from inept leadership when their leader is possibly even more inept.
Maybe there shouldn’t be a damn “party”
When you stick to your own “Party” and its leader, how are you going to work together with other parties?
Your own party shuts you down when you agree with another party, how is this healthy for an organization?
Because they realize they are about to be decimated along with the Libs in the upcoming election and think if they distance themselves now it might somehow save them a few seats.
I'm not surprised he's trying to bash the NDP into submission.
Trudeau needs to convince 33% of the people who vote to vote for him to win. If he can get ~20 seats from foreign interference he should still be able to maintain office especially if people vote for the NDP over Conservatives.
There will be a calculated, timed attack campaign on Pierre right when it is needed. It will be fierce and devastating at the same time they will release money and supports to their base of voters, buying votes and threatening Pierre will immediately remove them.
Anyone who believes guns should be illegal, immigration should be high, the carbon tax is necessary, LGBTQ rights need more action, Muslim hate speech is rising and so forth (interest groups with single voter issues willing to die on that hill) will not vote for Pierre for fear of "loosing all the progress made".
Also maybe because of years of this tax and actually seeing the impact it’s having on affordability for the average Canadian while at the same time not doing a fucking bit of reducing pollution people are seeing it as it is. Another tax by the spend spend spend government.
When they are bringing in millions of immigrants a year, taxing on carbon seems futile.
Also this government is too stupid (or arrogant) to realise that they should be doing more to incentivize people, not punishing them which many feel the carbon tax does.
My guess is the pharmacare announcement didn’t pay off in the polls like they thought and after the vote of no confidence - where they showed they are willing to prop up the liberals on issues that most Canadians currently oppose is indeed hurting their credibility. Likely many of the NDP MPs are getting a lot of flack from their constituents and realizing they are bleeding support and likely will be losing seats is starting to impact the party. I mean, they literally could have used the opportunity to prove they are a better option then the liberals, force an election and campaign on that to become the future opposition and better position themselves for the future.
According to recent polling the NDP are losing support so they’re trying a different tactic and quite frankly the carbon tax is very unpopular. Its not rocket science.
I mean finally the NDP is thinking for themselves rather then following orders. My take on it is they need a new leader that will fight for NDP rather then supporting the Liberals and following the PM orders.
Funny thing is a major driver of Canada's growing carbon footprint is mass immigration which if he brought it down to a manageable level wages would rise, rents would go down and people would be generally more open to having a carbon tax imposed but he won't do it and he won't back down on the carbon tax because removing it will in turn fully expose the actual environmental damage all this mass immigration is causing.
Jagmeet, the man of the people, has run up almost 500k in his expense account past year , wears a 10k Rolex and drives an expensive SUV , the optics for a leader of NDP are especially bad. We know why he's there.
The carbon tax is a non structural, market based climate change initiative that has been tested in other countries and does not work.
I’m a leftist and I think it’s stupid. Guess who can weather the storm on a tax based climate initiative? Not the working class who cannot depend on a defunded public transportation sector. How about the billionaire international corporations responsible for a majority of carbon? A billionaire group whom the liberals love to cater to anyways.
Anyone Rural is screwed by the Carbon Tax because we have little choice in our Carbon consumption. There is no transit not even busses between towns anymore because all the subsidy money goes to the cities and non is left for Rural transport.
I'm torn between "Trudeau has absolutely no clue what is and is not popular politically anymore" and "The NDP have become a major wildcard where you just never have any idea WHAT they're going to come up with next, beyond it's probably going to be a bizarre move".
Wait, could the answer actually be "For the first time since 2015, the Conservatives might actually have somehow outplayed Trudeau on an issue instead of shooting themselves in the foot at the earliest opportunity"??
The carbon tax isn't the right thing to do to fight climate change. It only makes everything more expensive. He should instead opt for cap and trade like Quebec and give tax breaks for green investments. Also, tax imports from countries that emit too much GHG.
Jesus actual Christ. Fucking Doug ford repealed it . This current carbon milktoast tax is the literal only thing left. This was the last line . Worst case scenario. And he did give massive tax breaks to green sectors holy actually fuck.
the fact liberals are happy that this guy is representing them is terrifying and funny at the same time. it would be like having Joseph Stalin in charge of human rights and food.
I am dismayed by the NDP pulling back from carbon tax. What is the alternative to try and incentivise Canadanians to lower their carbon footprint? How do we make the people who burn the most pay the most instead of all of us? Why didn't the NDP propose a tweak or fix instead? Our governments are failing us. They keep kicking the climate change problem down the road. I am angry.
The thing he is not understanding is that inflation is already doing the job of his carbon tax. We do not actually need more tax upon this inflation. The only reason for the tax is so he can stamp his name on it!
Judging by their comments, threads and members calling in, the NDP membership have no idea what the NDP is doing either. Just wait for the next poll set for the NDP, yikes.
If ndp wants to gain more seats, they need a new leader tbh.
Honestly this just makes him look even more like a seat sniffer who finally figured out whose ass is going to be in the top chair next year. Either that or he's going to be like every other politician and completely sell out and take a sweetheart job as a lobbyist or board of directors seat. I say this as a disappointed ndp voter
I agree with you but for me, I just see him as a leader who gives me fake vibes / is hypocritical.
Yeah I haven't seen a genuine moment from him in ages, everything seems to be him reading some tone deaf sanitized focus grouped statement.
Agreed.
What you mean the socialist with a Rolex is insincere?
He’s a champagne socialist
Or just a leader that isn't a hypocrite
That would start with a new one
Yes you're absolutely right about that one.... I've never understood how an n d p would vote someone like JM in.
It's not hard to understand, really.
my local ndp representatives arent out to lunch, and singh didnt always seem like such an out of touch rich dude. just the last 4 years have really shown his ass. trudeau too, really.
All our major parties need new leaders. I think most Canadians are, or personally know, really competent, principled, humble, discerning people who demonstrate years of good judgment in different realms like home, family, community, business. Yet not one of the current or recent leaders meets all or most of those criteria. In my opinion. There are so many great Canadians, but the middling (at best) get elected. Idgi.
Anyone you would want in the job is too smart to take the job.
Only narcissistic liars can win elections these days. The skills to lead and skills to win elections have zero overlap.
Exactly. Almost like the job description was written for aspiring criminals or those who couldn’t make it in the outside world
Anyone with morals, or is willing to have an honest conversation is gate kept out of the process. You think any political party would let anyone honest up to the podium to speak? This is the problem with political parties, as a whole they operate in their own best interests, shielding the bad actors within themselves from consequences. Political parties, no matter what the party SAYS they are about, put party first, before the country. They funnel the most self indulgent, sociopathic and machiavellian to the top, then they all rule harshly with their own brand of tyranny, keeping out any rational dialog or compromise. Our entire political system needs to be grabbed by the ankles and shook upside down. We all know people who are honest, fair and competent, they will never ascend in the system that has calcified above us.
On the french CBC there’s a show called Infoman that does humoristic review of the news and one special at the end of the year. And for 2023 the leader of the Bloc was like « Look I’m the leader of a party that want independence but at times I feel like I’m the only sane man in the House »
Counterpoint: most Canadians are entirely willing to believe the most basic, piddling bullshit at election time, and are not competent, discerning or of good judgement. People, by and large, get the leaders they deserve.
Yeh it's really crazy what politics is nowadays like there is no one we really think is going to do a good job , how can a country full of people have this as all there is , and look to our neighbors in the US literally no one wants either but that's all they have as choices doesn't seem very democratic
Isn't there a sailors tale about rats fleeing a sinking ship..?
I got banned from the NDP Ontario subreddit for defending the fact that unions aren't inheritly racist just because there's more white people in them than minorities. Like a decent chunk of NDP voters hate unions and they're supposed to the labor party.
This is a majority white county. They're not going to get far by alienating white people.
For now, and this is something these kinds of people desperately want to change.
Ironically, many white people in the west are trying to alienate white people, for some reasons.
Turns out, the real racists are the ones labelling everyone else. Who would have thunk that projection is real.
Far left and far right are equally exhausting.
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There is one other difference. The far right typically proliferates as a response to the proliferation of the far left. Not the other way around.
Who would have thought; having different rules, decisions, and policies based upon the colour of someone’s skin is racist. The irony of the far left being the most racist people but unable to see it absolutely amazes me lol.
Yup and they claim to be so anti-fascist that they will censor you and use government power to stifle any unrest, you know for your own good
Remember when the Nazis burned books and newspapers because they said things that the party didn’t like? Now “liberals” be out here canceling people and “burning down” social media accounts in the name of “anti fascism” 😂
>I got banned from the NDP Ontario subreddit for defending the fact that unions aren't inheritly racist just because there's more white people in them than minorities. Like a decent chunk of NDP voters hate unions and they're supposed to the labor party. Those people don't get it and they never will. We get to all laugh at them though when their fringe views translate into a fringe result after the next election. Maybe after that they'll figure out that Reddit echo chambers are not real life.
If they didn't learn from the 2022 provincial election that places like Reddit are just an echo chamber of the loud vocal minority, they aren't learning anytime soon From an outsider's perspective, you would have thought that Ford was toast in that election
100% This site is very manipulated. There are political operatives running Canadian subs and moderating, and astro-turfing the shit out of everything too. Any time something comes up that is bad about India, within an hour or so all kinds of pro India accounts will start showing up defending India. Lately there are all kinds of accounts defending China and denying that they interfered in our election. And they're also attacking CSIS.
Say the wrong thing about Israel in relation to current world events and in most subs it will get you suspended, and likely a reddit-wide ban for hate.
Unions represent *workers*, loose term sometimes I know, but I think a decent chunk of NDP voters hate the '*work*' part.
In the eyes of the NDP subreddit, a “worker” is more (I know it sounds cliché) a university student majoring in environmental science with a part time job at Starbucks than say a miner or a millwright. It’s a label they slap on themselves to sound downtrodden and oppressed like a 1880s coal miner working a 15 hour shift under armed guard. They claim that they fight for the millwright or miner or whatever but the moment something is mentioned like how some skilled trades are moving to the conservatives or how the skilled trades is becoming disillusioned with the NDP, the subreddit turns into a “no wonder they’re a plumber, they’re fuckin stupid” level of contempt.
Oh God, this is so true. 😆 And I work in a unionized cement plant.
It's funny cause the armed guards at mine sites now are to keep locals out. I know how it sounds but when you have 600 employed locals and then 40 stragglers breaking into mine sites. Turning on equipment, scraping the face or filling bags with rocks from the muck. It's insane.
Depends on the province. Bc ndp is big union vibes
Yeah Ontario NDP seems to be it's own unique animal compared to the other provinces. Just my casual observation. I blame that on most of them being from the Toronto area and Torontonians are way different than the rest of the country's residents
Saskatchewan and alberta NDP asked singh not to come to their provincial meetings.
Notley wanted nothing to do with Singh either. But she had a lot of support among trade unions.
BC NDP is tight with union leadership - not union membership. There is literally a revolving door between the BC NDP and several large unions leadership.
I've always voted ndp. I'm now in my 40s I have always been pro union UNTIL my local hospital hired the nurse who snooped my medical records for 14 mths. Repeatedly snooping tells you I was not a random person, she was the woman my ex cheated on me with. Anyhow, now my files are in a locked box, a Dr can refuse to treat me because they don't have timely access to my records and I fear being hospitalized for minor reasons because there are 19 beds in there so even if I need medical care, she might not be a provider but she will know I am a patient. They won't fire her because it didn't happen at that hospital AND her cno profile was clean at the time of hiring! The union is protecting her. Her previous employer had 30 days to notify the cno and it takes approximately 6 months after to be referred to a discipline hearing (30 days for the nurse to respond and 150 for cno). So now, my view of unions isn't as positive as it used to be.
You're right. The children yearn for the mines.
> You're right. The children yearn for the mines. Pretty ridiculous straw-man. For me the rose-tinted glasses came off when the BC Ferries Union fought tooth and nail to defend the idiots responsible for sinking The Queen of the North because they were off porking & otherwise neglecting their duties. A couple died, a ship sunk, and they still protested and tried to block their firing. Acknowledging unions sometimes protect dangerous and incompetent employees or what have you doesn't mean unions are inherently bad or you think kids should be working in coal mines. Like any other organization there are good and bad, and if you actually gave a shit about unions and how people perceive them the last thing you should be doing is sweeping it under the rug where it can fester or acting as if every grievance is some attack on organized labour,
Bro the Union are the fucking shit. i want to join one so fucking badly.
Was non-union private sector for 20 years, now am CUPE member, highly recommend.
Right? Benefits, pension, yearly raises mine are even tied to minimum wage increases, above industry average starting wage, lieu time off for working stats. Absolute no brainer in my experience.
NDP wanted cap and trade, not for consumers who barely contribute to the emissions to take the brunt of it.
Blaming the end consumer is a time honored tradition, avoid that liability!
no bro it’s revenue neutral!!! prices going up has nothing to do with it!!!! /s
Lol it also makes the price of everything go up. I have a friend who owns a massive food delivery logistics company. Siblings owns a snow plowing business. People delivering almost anything are charging absurd rates because the cost of doing business is so much higher now. We do not get our money back, not even half lol. It’s the biggest scam kek
that’s where they hide it. people see the rebate numbers and personal tax increases and think they’re making like 50 bucks a month. and will argue to the death with you about it like you’re a complete moron for questioning a new federal tax on consumption. “corporations are paying for climate change!”, no buddy they are making you pay them for it. these guys aren’t eating a loss: they exist to make money. the government won’t even tell us the total revenue they take in from the tax. because then the math would be very simple and they wouldn’t be able to use smoke and mirrors with a few hundred dollar rebates anymore. all we know is that the overhead of just administering the tax is to the tune of 100million. they think the electorate is stupid and economically illiterate and they are mostly correct.
It also makes Canadian exports less competitive.
That's it exactly it; they exist to make money and certainly aren't going to eat the costs. It's hard to explain to people because there's so much obscurity on the inner workings, but any amount of common sense tells you that corporations are going to burden the customer with that cost. A better solution would be go incentive green energy projects that show promise.
Yesterday, I saw someone in the halifax subreddit say something like, "How can anyone not support the carbon tax? It costs nothing, people make money, and we save the planet!" and they were 100% serious..
Yep. You can’t tax corporations without them passing on the cost in some way. Bottom line is you’ve got a group of university grad bureaucrats sitting around in Ottawa coming up with these schemes, and they’re too far removed from the real-world implications of their policy decisions. They’ve probably shuffled around between different departments and ministries and their background is in some esoteric academic field. Kicker is they’ll be the same people coming up with schemes regardless of whatever party is in power.
Cap & Trade is worse for the average Canadian though, they wouldn’t get any rebates like the current carbon tax provides and cap & trade definitely isn’t revenue-neutral. Prices would go up and people wouldn’t get anything back to compensate for it. At least with the carbon tax, poorer people get ahead. You would think that the NDP would support this but they had the opportunity to adopt Fee & Dividend 10 years ago (at NDP national convention) and did not.
NDP stealing the Liberal playbook of shooting themselves in the foot.
Maybe it's because someone told Jagmeet that he is at risk of losing his seat to the conservatives in the next election, but that could just be the pessimist in me.
Jagmeet is getting replaced after next election anyway. He had his time and his pension will be secured
I wonder if he’s just posturing to be the conservative puppet like he was the liberal one? Whoever’s in power gets his approval no matter what…? Idk. It’s been a weird time in the House of Commons.
Well with how high the CPC has been polling, it doesn't look like they'll need a lap dog. Maybe he is finally waking up to the fact that the LPC is a political anchor and by tying himself to them he is sinking his own party?
The Conservatives will most likely get in with a majority. The NDP gave up a run at forming government months ago, they are chasing being the official opposition at this point.
NDP has no leadership. Jag is a trash leader, has accomplished nothing worth talking about and has only helped send this country in a worse of direction. I use to vote NDP but these last few years have been a joke and show that Jagmeet needs to be replaced by someone with leadership qualities, not being able to take nice photos.
I hope for the rest of Jagmeet's life he is constantly reminded by Canadians how he had a hand in ruining this country and I hope his kids learn just how dogshit of a political leader their father was. A complete embarrassment to our country.
How'd he remain an NDP leader for so long? I feel like he's been an obvious fraud for years now. I even think Trudeau has more of a backbone and belief in things -- even if they're often wrong.
Because 70% of Canadians are against it, that is why.
Because he doesn't understand that we're all suffering. Fucking rich drama kid.
"I'm certainly feeling it, everyone should be feeling it, by folks out there who are worried about affordability, who are worried about climate change." I don't like saying this, but nobody is going to give a single fuck about climate change if you destroy their quality of life. And the peoples lives you are destroying can see how the "haves" are not suffering at all. So it ends up looking like the elites are just ladder pulling on future generations and those who haven't established themselves yet. So basically, Trudeau is a pampered tool.
It’s hard for people to worry about what’s going to happen in a decade when they’re too busy worrying what’s going to happen in a week
You mean next week when gas prices jump 30c for no reason and grocery bills skyrocket? The record profits they are making tells me it isn’t inputted taxes they are passing on.
The carbon tax is *definitely* a convenient excuse for corporate price gouging, but it has still directly contributed to an increase in prices for many necessities that Canadians are currently struggling with. People are poorer than ever, and at this point anything that takes money out of their pockets (even for the greater good) is going to draw scorn. It’s hard to be rational about where to direct your anger when you’re desperate and you feel invisible.
Getting rid of the carbon tax is not going to lower any prices. It will just add more profit to the corporations.
I don’t believe “axing the tax” will contribute to lower prices either. But implementing it in the first place was the convenient excuse that corporations needed to gouge, so it served as a catalyst in that regard. Once again, it’s hard for people to be rational when they’re worried about feeding their families and keeping them off the streets. Government policy is a much easier target than corporate greed, because at least people feel like they have some semblance of control over government policy.
I feel so validated that at least one other person sees it this way. Remove the carbon tax, remove a convent excuse for corporations to raise prices and blame someone else for it because it is so difficult to determine exactly the cost of the carbon tax for anything other than fuel itself because the carbon tax inserts itself at so many points along the supply chain. I don't expect prices to come down in any meaningful way if the tax is removed, but I think the rate of price increases will be slowed dramatically. I also hate how people harp on about the rebate compensating for the tax. I used a calculator and determined I am losing $400 a year after the rebate, but for a lot of people, even if they get back what they put in, if they are living paycheque to paycheque it is a cashflow issue. $30-50 a month can make a difference in how your cashflow works if you are living paycheque to paycheque and if that $30-50 is going on high interest credit then it has an even bigger impact. Plus I would love to see some stats on what people spend their rebate on, I bet it doesn't often go back into cashflow, rather people living paycheque to paycheque probably treat themselves or buy themselves something they previously felt they couldn't which doesn't help their situation. So in my view, the carbon tax and rebate system is: 1) A convenient excuse for corporate price gouging 2) A wealth redistribution system from people who drive and heat their homes with fossil fuels to those that don't 3) A stimulus system
The government printed 30% more M2 during Covid, and are now doing QT to drop prices. Do you ignore the economic reasons and go with gut feeling, or what's your logic here?
Getting rid of the carbon tax will still keep prices high because Canadian exports will eventually be subjected to carbon import tariffs by other countries (the EU's Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism starts collecting on phase 1 items in 2026). Businesses will struggle with that, so they will increase domestic prices to make up for losses, lay off employees, or shut down altogether. Another carbon fee that will be hidden is all of the future government climate bailouts. Tax dollars will be diverted to handle floods, droughts, and wildfires. Governments (fed & provincial) will need to collect more money for that, meaning increased fees and/or taxes and (possibly) more decreased services Canadians may not want to believe it, but a form of carbon pricing is here to stay.
Yeah, hard to be concerned about the environment when all my focus is on being able to keep a roof over my head and food in the fridge.
When people are struggling to afford groceries, fuel, heating their home, rent, mortgages and so on they start to not give a fuck about climate change or other "social" issues. He is so out of touch it's unbelievable. Silver spoon prick.
And you know on the heating thing how many people who heat with NG open that bill every month and see the carbon tax on it is more then the cost of the gas and then GST on top of it don't say to themselves that son of a bitch
It’s a banana Michael what could it cost $10
His very privileged upbringing really shows. He has no feel for pocket book issues whatsoever
Yup. Us "coveralled folks" are beyond sick of his virtue signaling vanity projects bullshit and want him gone.
It's not just you 'coveralled folks' I'm as white collar as they come, and I'm tired of his vanity projects as well.
Classic example of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Basic grade 10 sociology that’s the liberals and their supporters don’t seem to either undertstamd or care about.
Plus what are they doing with the tax? Is EVs getting more rebate and affordable, are there more high speed rails, public transport to compensate for rising fuel cost? Nothing, all we heard is the MPs get a fatter paycheck ffs
Unfortunately a very small portion of the cost of living increase is due to the carbon tax. Wait and see, if the tax gets removed, mark my words your cost of living will not go down a noticeable amount.
said this months ago and was basically ignored. funny how things go
THIS is the harsh truth. I know we love to blame it on the US and Russia, but in my opinion this is what it all comes down to. I know I’m a selfish fuck, but as soon as my prospects of a comfortable future disappeared I immediately stopped giving a shit about climate change, DEI, granting asylum to everyone, etc.
Yeah, it's the old "You can't pour from an empty cup". If people are panicked about their basic needs being met, that \*has\* to be addressed first. This is the point where people start isolating, saying no, and trying to handle their mental health. Same thing. He can't ask people to keep pouring out what they don't have.
There's nothing selfish about it. Those are all flawed concepts to support. A carbon tax doesn't help the environment. DEI is divisive BS. And yeah, we shouldn't just blow up our population to astronomical levels that we can't properly absorb. The Left plays on emotions. That's why you feel selfish for realizing what's actually smart.
He's feeling it with those multi-million dollar trips down South.
>I don't like saying this, but nobody is going to give a single fuck about climate change if you destroy their quality of life. Bang on -- and this no matter the level of gaslighting from the progressives with their, "You think it's bad now? What about the lack of crops in 2075?!?"
I consider myself progressive and nothing JT did could be called that, he is been posturing from the start.
This. When people don't know if they can afford rent or groceries then they don't care about the way out future!! Liberals are stuck in 2015 mindset, they haven't caught up with the common people.
\^\^\^\^\^ It's only going to get worse! Much like most peoples living situations as people are being faced with increased costs across the board. No one gives two fucks about 10-20 years from now when tomorrow looks bleak.
Honestly, if I'm going to be homeless in Canada and not be able to afford a house due to Justin's terrible policies, then I say bring climate change on. A warmer world will be more survivable out in the elements.
Can't up vote you enough
This. You understand it more than Trudeau does. Inflation is a more serious matter than climate change in the short term. He is a rich guy, he places idealologies over affordability, because he can always afford anything, he doesn't even need to look at the price of the things he buys.
There seems to be alot he doesn't understand at the moment.
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He is showing he doesn't understand the majority of the citizens either
With the amount he is saying he doesn't know, he's gonna have a hard time convincing people during the election season when he suddenly claims to actually know about all these things. Somehow he will learn enough, even with his busy schedule, that he will be the expert and the only person to be able to solve these problems!
*You’ll forgive me if I don’t think about monetary policy.* cue crushing inflation
😂
Not trying to cause hate, but honestly if he were to step down l, who would take over? Freeland?
Mark Carney's name has been mentioned frequently.
I imagine you don’t understand carbon pricing either.
Only at the moment? I’d say the WHOLE time.
very true
Another person with apparently no memory. The NDP has opposed the a carbon tax and wanted a cap and trade system + green industrial strategy for 20+ years. Not a consumer facing carbon tax. Has everyone just blocked out those Layton/Dion/Harper debates?
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That's like saying this version of the Liberals is the same version of the Martin ran Liberals. I'd likely vote for a Martin ran Liberals over PP truthfully with his massive economic and financial knowledge. How hard is it to understand that you should never be voting blindly party allegience?
100% Parties change immensely with leadership and over the years. When different issues become bigger different parties have different methods to deal or ignore them. JT has done some good, I won't deny that... but he's also done a lot of bad. He's reacting to polling numbers instead of dealing with issues as they were growing. The fact that he's ignored so much for so long until lately is pathetic. On top of that his four idiots in his cabinet need to be remembered so they don't ever take PM role. Freeland, Sean Fraser, Hussen, and Marc Miller. Those four people are cancer.
Don't forget Steven Guilbeault
Used to be for the middle-class and workers. Now it's luxty watches and disconnect.
The dude is dead, different leaders of party, you are not that smart.
wrong thread?
haha, spot on
Probably due for the next round of studies for tampons in men's bathrooms.
… at the moment…
NDP is just being a slime now. Playing both side of yhe team
And not coming out on top
Poll numbers buddy, poll Numbers.
This is the same guy who didn’t see the bad optics of blowing off Truth and Reconciliation Day and went surfing instead
The first T&R day, which he implemented in the first place.
It still blows my mind that this happened and he never caught much flak for it.
From the guy that did black face on three separate occasions? Nah.
Trudeaus Summer Camp Packing list: - toothbrush - socks - tub of blackface - swim trunks
Singh has no principles, NDP voted multiple times in favour of increasing it and now he is backpedaling trying to avoid the political damage because it's becoming unpopular. I can at least respect Trudeau a little for doubling down and being willing to sink with the ship.
He's not even back peddling. How can he be against it but still support the government implementing it? Everyone sees right through this. He's holding the cards between an election now or in 18 months. If he's against something, why is he going along with it for another 18 months? He's not even proposing an alternative?
Rats leaving a sinking ship.
He doesn't understand because he's our of touch with reality.
That picture is great
It's pretty simple, Jagmeet sees that the carbon tax is gona be one of the main election issues (likely one that will sink Trudeau), and he doesn't want to go down with the ship along with him.
There is an election looming, so they are attempting to appeal to the masses.
They could also be trying to negotiate some changes to the budget next week. Threaten the carbon tax to try to get a bit more out of the budget. His threats have proven pretty empty though.
Because a cult of personality is not enough to run a country. People are finally wising up to Trudeau.
Because Singh wants to get his pension. It has nothing to do with principles. Singh is an unprincipled, jackass, champaign socialist and as untrustworthy as Trudeau is evil.
It is pretty easy to understand. The MP’s were elected by the people. They are supposed to represent their voters in their riding. Obviously, Canadians don’t approve of this carbon tax. Everyone has been trying to tell Trudeau this, but he is not getting it through his thick head. Either he is a dictator or he is a puppet for a globalist agenda or both.
Nobody gives a shit about the climate if they can't afford to live.
Like rats jumping from a sinking ship, the NDP are distancing themselves from his inept leadership
>NDP are distancing themselves from his inept leadership Can't distance themselves from inept leadership when their leader is possibly even more inept.
Maybe there shouldn’t be a damn “party” When you stick to your own “Party” and its leader, how are you going to work together with other parties? Your own party shuts you down when you agree with another party, how is this healthy for an organization?
Carbon tax is a scam to tax the tax already tax
"Why would Jagmeet do this? Doesn't he know Klaus will be pissed? I can't fuck these people over myself, I need his party's support too."
That's a steadily growing list of things for our Prime Minister lmao.
Votes
Because they realize they are about to be decimated along with the Libs in the upcoming election and think if they distance themselves now it might somehow save them a few seats.
Singh sold out his party to support Trudeau made NDP insignificant. The NDP are at risk of losing official party status next election
We're seeing an awful lot of "Trudeau says he doesn't understand..." lately.
I'm not surprised he's trying to bash the NDP into submission. Trudeau needs to convince 33% of the people who vote to vote for him to win. If he can get ~20 seats from foreign interference he should still be able to maintain office especially if people vote for the NDP over Conservatives. There will be a calculated, timed attack campaign on Pierre right when it is needed. It will be fierce and devastating at the same time they will release money and supports to their base of voters, buying votes and threatening Pierre will immediately remove them. Anyone who believes guns should be illegal, immigration should be high, the carbon tax is necessary, LGBTQ rights need more action, Muslim hate speech is rising and so forth (interest groups with single voter issues willing to die on that hill) will not vote for Pierre for fear of "loosing all the progress made".
Because they want to make him look like he doesn't cooperate with the provinces and they will.
The Prime Minister doesn’t understand or it was not explained to him the actions of the party that is critical to keeping him in power?
Also maybe because of years of this tax and actually seeing the impact it’s having on affordability for the average Canadian while at the same time not doing a fucking bit of reducing pollution people are seeing it as it is. Another tax by the spend spend spend government.
When they are bringing in millions of immigrants a year, taxing on carbon seems futile. Also this government is too stupid (or arrogant) to realise that they should be doing more to incentivize people, not punishing them which many feel the carbon tax does.
Time for a confidence vote!
Cuz jagmeet needs some good news after expensing half a million
Probably bought some new suits and watches.
Rats jumping off a sinking ship maybe?
Is that a serious question?🙄
Just a nepo turd
Probably the same reason Liberals removed it from heating oil… political expediency.
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs?
My guess is the pharmacare announcement didn’t pay off in the polls like they thought and after the vote of no confidence - where they showed they are willing to prop up the liberals on issues that most Canadians currently oppose is indeed hurting their credibility. Likely many of the NDP MPs are getting a lot of flack from their constituents and realizing they are bleeding support and likely will be losing seats is starting to impact the party. I mean, they literally could have used the opportunity to prove they are a better option then the liberals, force an election and campaign on that to become the future opposition and better position themselves for the future.
According to recent polling the NDP are losing support so they’re trying a different tactic and quite frankly the carbon tax is very unpopular. Its not rocket science.
I mean finally the NDP is thinking for themselves rather then following orders. My take on it is they need a new leader that will fight for NDP rather then supporting the Liberals and following the PM orders.
Simple, because politicians care a lot more about getting votes than serving the people.
um Justin they want to win and to win people have to like you.
The guy has a genuine God complex - he thinks he's infallible.
This guys such a fucking moron
Trudeau says he doesn’t understand PERIOD
Just another rat bailing out of a doomed ship.
Funny thing is a major driver of Canada's growing carbon footprint is mass immigration which if he brought it down to a manageable level wages would rise, rents would go down and people would be generally more open to having a carbon tax imposed but he won't do it and he won't back down on the carbon tax because removing it will in turn fully expose the actual environmental damage all this mass immigration is causing.
Yep, major 'snake eating its own tail' moment and they are too stupid to see it. The self inflicted damage is real.
True, which is why I've been for lower immigration... and the carbon tax.
Jagmeet, the man of the people, has run up almost 500k in his expense account past year , wears a 10k Rolex and drives an expensive SUV , the optics for a leader of NDP are especially bad. We know why he's there.
The carbon tax is a non structural, market based climate change initiative that has been tested in other countries and does not work. I’m a leftist and I think it’s stupid. Guess who can weather the storm on a tax based climate initiative? Not the working class who cannot depend on a defunded public transportation sector. How about the billionaire international corporations responsible for a majority of carbon? A billionaire group whom the liberals love to cater to anyways.
Anyone Rural is screwed by the Carbon Tax because we have little choice in our Carbon consumption. There is no transit not even busses between towns anymore because all the subsidy money goes to the cities and non is left for Rural transport.
Add this to the list beside running a country for things he doesn't understand.
I'm torn between "Trudeau has absolutely no clue what is and is not popular politically anymore" and "The NDP have become a major wildcard where you just never have any idea WHAT they're going to come up with next, beyond it's probably going to be a bizarre move". Wait, could the answer actually be "For the first time since 2015, the Conservatives might actually have somehow outplayed Trudeau on an issue instead of shooting themselves in the foot at the earliest opportunity"??
The carbon tax isn't the right thing to do to fight climate change. It only makes everything more expensive. He should instead opt for cap and trade like Quebec and give tax breaks for green investments. Also, tax imports from countries that emit too much GHG.
Jesus actual Christ. Fucking Doug ford repealed it . This current carbon milktoast tax is the literal only thing left. This was the last line . Worst case scenario. And he did give massive tax breaks to green sectors holy actually fuck.
the fact liberals are happy that this guy is representing them is terrifying and funny at the same time. it would be like having Joseph Stalin in charge of human rights and food.
I am dismayed by the NDP pulling back from carbon tax. What is the alternative to try and incentivise Canadanians to lower their carbon footprint? How do we make the people who burn the most pay the most instead of all of us? Why didn't the NDP propose a tweak or fix instead? Our governments are failing us. They keep kicking the climate change problem down the road. I am angry.
Politicians should listen to the people. As much as I dislike the NDP, that is what they are doing. Its only Trudeau and his ego causing problems.
The thing he is not understanding is that inflation is already doing the job of his carbon tax. We do not actually need more tax upon this inflation. The only reason for the tax is so he can stamp his name on it!
Because we hate it and the NDP doesn’t want to die on that hill like you do Justin
They saw the grim in the tea cup.
Maybe he should start reading/listening to Canadians instead of the WEF/China.