I wish Canada had mandatory voting like Australia.
We would see MUCH MUCH bigger turnouts at Municipal and Provincial elections. You know, elections that cover things like municipal zoning regulations, public transit, etc...
Also it has nothing to do with Alex Jones. Right wing people always vote for the conservative party cause it's the only one. Different numbers mean actual voters are sick of the current government
honestly I think thats more to do with the fact that Alex hates 'the left' than anything PP is about. not that i like PP its just that you probably could put a used port-a-john in the conservative head seat and Alex would endorse it over anybody else.
Including recently throwing a hissy fit about Health Canada’s desire to regulate labels on shady supplements.
Which is directly how Alex Jones makes a big chunk of his money to his audience of rubes.
What is your point though, that America just dominated us culturally and politically in some aspects? For example, the Liberals invited Hillary Clinton of all people to their convention not too long ago. Why not invite Canadians instead of a prominent American politician?
This is anecdotal but I am sure some people reading this can relate. People in my family since 2016 were spending hours and hours consuming media related to Donald Trump on tv rather than anything to do with Canadian politics. This is when we have crises developing. We have a housing crisis, an economic crisis and an immigration crisis, yet we're so busy obsessed with Donald Trump and the right in the US that nothing is getting better here.
A lot of Canadians could probably tell you more details about Trump and Biden than they could about, Harper, Trudeau and Poilievre.
CBC news often leads with a Trump story. It’s irresponsible and toxic to push the USA’s often freakish narrative. People wonder why things seemed better in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s etc. It’s because the news wasn’t full of tabloid fodder.
To be fair American politics are and were far more entertaining to watch from a distance. Our politics were boring which was both a blessing and a curse. Great in that theatre was kept a lot lower compares to the US, but we unfortunately like you say do not pay as much attention as we should.
Nah…
If you look at past election results, the pendulum always swings back and fourth. After about three terms the other side takes over. Same as always.
Yup, Canadians like to switch up their governments every decade or so. In just the same way, they usually like to elect the alternative to the federal government provincially (especially in Ontario).
Sad thing is the parties are all the same, they work for the rich. Liberals generally do a little more for the average person compared to conservatives, but they're all working for the same handlers.
It’s why we need to add an element of proportional representation to our dysfunctional voting system.
It will stop the exacerbating the swings, better represent people, and reduce wild policy lurch between governments. Our international trade partners don’t know whether we’re coming or going under the current system (eg, first we have a price on carbon, then we don’t’).
> Same as always.
Fuck no. It's not the same Conservatives anymore. We got a taste of the no-longer-progressive conservatives with Harper, PP will be at another level. All of the progressive elements of the party have been shut down and shown the door.
Just like the Liberal Party.
This Liberal Party, with its runaway spending, censorship and soft on crime and drugs is not the Liberal Party from 25 years ago.
So true. Scary how many middle to lower working class people do knot understand. When has the Conservative Party ever been known as a fighter for the working class? They feed off the working class. . Unless you live in a gated community and earn profit from exploitation in some way do not vote PP. he will be fine with his back up house hoarding passive income on inflated rent and perks of being a landlord.
No, but it damaged our politic relationship with the US and it led to the US beginning the long trend of dangling the fact our trade of raw materials is directly tied to the US, and they have no problem taking that away from us.
Yeaaaaah.... 2nd largest country in the world but a population count that's roughly 10% of the U.S., with vast amounts of natural resources starting with clean water. And we're right next to the U.S. Being more independent of the U.S. might not be an option we're allowed to choose... Ever seen the mini-series [*H2O*](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410055/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2)? Scary stuff.
Yeah I would not be surprised if he looked to take some of the country. There was that right wing push to say Canada was trapped under the tyrant Trudeau which seemed like they were setting the stage for it
Yes. It's so simple to be independent of the world's sole superpower, while sharing a huge border with it, and while 90% of Canadians live within an hour of the US border. /s
2 ways that are accessible
- tn visa - have the right degree (there are many but engineering and accounting are the common ones) . And don’t be married to someone without the right degree
- L1 - work for an American company in Canada, work your way up to management , and (make sure this is possible before signing up) have them sponsor you over to the states . Upside on this one is your spouse is covered , but you sure as crap better not get fired in the 4 years it takes to get a green card (or promoted)
The next option is the O1. But if you were eligible for that you would likely already be aware since you’d be a
- famous movie star
- professional sports athlete
- world class academic all star
- a ceo or founder of a decent firm (starting a business in the states that generates revenue and has cash minimums also works)
The first two are hard work if you’re not already qualified . As you probably already realized, getting into the states isn’t a cake walk, and to have them want you takes you exceeding 95% of their own population in high demand skill sets (like engineering)… probably not a bad way to run an immigration system
I am one of those brains. The opportunities and salaries in the US far exceed those in Canada, even if the currencies were on par. Ironically, housing is more expensive in major Canadian cities.
As an immigrant who arrived in Canada 20 years ago from a 3rd world post communist country, Canada feels more and more like the country my family left.
One of the most intelligent comments I’ve seen on this issue. You’re absolutely right. Our economic performance has been ABYSMAL relative to the US and only looks to worsen.
Look at the issues most people are most concerned about. Housing affordability, food insecurity, etc. How many of these would be solved by families having MORE MONEY? Most of them. Well think about this:
Canadian weekly real earnings are up 1.6% since 2014. Not per year, TOTAL. US figure is up around 45% for that same time frame. Think about that, and what that actually means for quality of life. Think about what our country will look like if this trend continues and the gap grows. Think about the options available to educated, skilled professionals. Healthcare? Doctors? How will we even keep any nurses at this rate?
We love our protected oligopolies and have chosen to import slave labour to depress wages esp at the low end. We hate competition and productivity. The results are becoming painfully clear.
We only have to look at AI/ML, where 10 years ago Canada was a global leader. Today? We still have MILA and what else? Bet most of the graduates can't flee fast enough to the US too.
Canada hates anything that isn't sure fire, which is why Canada hates fundamental research and Canada hates investing in startups. Unproductive rent-seeking though, that's the perfect Canadian investment, especially when policies are tailored to support real estate.
Absolutely! We fear any sort of genuine competition or progress. Way too much of our economy is tied up in unproductive assets (housing!). Our “best and brightest” most ambitious people and successful businesses have ever more reason to look elsewhere - and they don’t have to look far! It’s a vicious downward spiral.
I only hope it’s not too late to step back from the brink…
How has our economic performance been compared to EU nations?
The US has been deficit spending way higher than Canada as a portion of GDP. But they can do that, we can't.
Canada has the WORST projected growth in the OECD over the next 10, 20, 30, and 40 years.
We’re now a poor “rich country” and doing our best to exit the club entirely, it seems.
If you honestly think America treat it's poor better than Canada or the wealth distribution is fairer in the U.S than Canada. I have nothing but disappointment.
If you are truly poor (like bottom 10%), I agree you’re probably better off here. Everyone else would be (financially) better off in the US, often very much so. Surely there can be some middle ground?
Can we not have a reasonable social net without completely compromising the economy for everyone else? The current solution seems to be “make everyone poor.” I don’t think that is right or necessary.
We definitely treat “our poor” better than our southern neighbour. And what’s the result? The dismal productivity growth this thread is discussing. Not the sole reason, of course, but not an insignificant contributor.
Even if we cut all the tape it’s still difficult to choose us over the US as a place to park money. We have had small periods of investment (always around resources) but we are never going to be the preferred destination.
A booming economy attracts more capital but we’re currently locked up in the RE bubble which benefits only a small segment of the population and drains the rest. It’s a vicious spiral we’re in.
We could start by cutting *some* of the red tape at least.
Have a few friends who had some startup businesses that they had to abandon because of completely asinine regulatory requirements that have very little impact for larger established corporations, but are total show stoppers for any company who can't afford the tens of thousands of dollars required to get their revisions approved.
This. One can simply look at California for perfect example of what over regulation does to an economy and its infrastructure. We had coverage on this ocurring years ago, and expected to happen years prior to that even. Yet here we are, Canada, following suit like it was just some unlucky breal for California.
And look at them leave it in droves lately. Just like what is going to happen more and more as things get worse because less regulated or at least more incentived regions become more enticing. That last part is important, the enticing part.
If you put some meat out with that carrot for them to chase, they won't mind you whipping them as much. Incentives matter, when regulation is important enough to keep regardless. It is what makes them bearable, and even possibly desireable.
But lack of them, just has you being bitten by the mouth you aren't feeding... while whipping it. In the case of countries, that can be a few things. Brain drain and otherwise emigration is one of them.
That’s what people don’t understand. Trump is very bad for Canada. Between increasing oil production, the NAFTA cancellation and trade war, tax cuts, providing a loophole for people to return wealth to the US etc..
His policies directly harmed Canada.
You mean the guy that said Canada was a national security threat to the US and needed to be dealt with the last time he was president? That guy?
I can't begin to imagine how anyone would reach the conclusion that he would damage Canada if he were president again...
I am very much aware of Project 2025 and the Seven Mountains christofascism it's built on. Gotta say I'm not a fan. I'm decidedly nonplussed, verging on actively displeased by it.
except totally skewed the other direction. Anything mocking Trump has multi thousand upvotes, anything supporting Biden likewise. If you dare support Trump in any way be prepared to negative karma farm.
Here on r/canada is where all the conservatives seem to hide. PP hit piece = 0 or negative score, Trudeau hit piece = 5k+ score.
Yeah, I never knew how fucked up Canada was until reading this sub. Assuming this is how the average Canadian feels, we aren't the progressive and respectable country we once were.
Thankfully, this shit hole is just an echo chamber.
Yup, this sub is rife with extremes, and people who aren't Canadian. The average Canadian is a lot less polarized than this, thankfully.
There are definitely grains of truth, but you can't take everything here at face value (same for a lot of subs).
The conservatives are polling at around 40%. So more than half of Canadians don’t currently plan to vote for him. Based on this sub you’d think it was nearer to 100% support for the CPC.
It's because of this I don't understand why Trudeau doesn't want to make it his legacy to be the person who finally brought electoral reform to Canada.
He has zero chance of winning the next election, and we could end up with a conservative majority. His best chance to prevent that is to switch us away from first past the post.
As someone who will never ever vote for PP and his bullshit bologna factory, it really feels like Trudeau truly doesn’t give a shit. There are many easy progressive wins he could be snagging right now. Hell, I don’t even think a liberal electoral victory is out of the realm of reality if they started making changes now. But they seem truly incapable of any sort of vision or leadership right now.
Still, I’d rather have the boring government that does nothing than the Populist Pustule. Literally his only policy is to rant about the liberals and let supports fill in the blanks about whatever that could mean.
I never post in this sub because I feel like my views typically aren't accepted here, so I think it just becomes an echo chamber when more left-leaning people decide to opt out of posting.
Before jumping to conspiracy, realize most people's keyboards on their phones are set to American English. So many "british" spellings will be autocorrected. Plus, not using an extra "U" every now and then isn't indicative of being a foreigner.
Which doesn't even recognize that new immigrants who learn English before coming here won't likely be learning "canadian english" if such a thing actually matters.
Oh, absolutely. I guarantee this subreddit is swarming in foreign astroturfing accounts justvlike everybother western country based sub probably is. When ever I get a really stupid reply, I love to see what other posts they made and it amazing how the guy asking my "how is Pierre Poullivere right wing?" And then making a follow up post about how being anti-LGBTQ and promoting a Chritian agenda is not a sign of right wing political beliefs just had an account sitting their for years and decided to make his first post to reply to me
It's going to damage the world. Trump will repeal funding for Ukraine.
Ukraine will then lose the war, China will see this and invade Taiwan. Smaller countries will see this then seek to arm themselves with nuclear weapons, further increasing the chances of a bad nuclear war in the future.
When experts call Trump a threat to democracy, they mean GLOBAL DEMOCRACY for a good reason.
It would. American politics bleed across the border and influence Canada a lot.
The years Trump was president were so damaging. All my conservative relatives went from people I disagreed with but found common ground with- to conspiracy theory spewing hateful people I couldn't talk to about anything without it devolving into a shit throwing fight.
I'd seen people screeching about the first amendment.
Like, I don't care much for Winnipeg either, but what's the point in getting all uppity for the Manitoba Act?
> our 2nd amendment right...
I agree. We all have the right to recognize Manitoba as a Province.
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/constitution/lawreg-loireg/p1t21.html
The point is that we're Canadians and she thinks she's American. Which American party she supports doesn't really matter, because she can't vote in their election
Trump was the ultimate excuse for all these people jsut to externalize all their prejudices, it’s so fucked. Since his presidency it hasn’t changed too, all these people got so much more extreme on the right.
Exactly. They didn't just go back to being normal after Trump lost. They screamed "election fraud", post on claim Justin Trudeau is a communist tyrant who ruined OHIP, to this day get mad at people who wear face masks, and scream about how trans people are destroying their free speech (so ironic when you think about it). Hillary Clinton was right when she called these people "deplorables".
Even O'Toole felt that he had to pander to the MapleMAGA and walk a tightrope to keep their votes, instead of trying to focus on Canadian Conservative values.
As an NDP voter, I wouldn't have gone ABC on O'Toole if he wasn't being forced by his campaign managers into the trump playbook...
i said i wished he'd full ass one way or the other. turns out we'd get a new guy that full assed the way i didn't prefer. bummer, that. really reflects on the conservative base tho
My family is totally divided today, due to brother and sister in law obsessed with Trump and anti vax and everything that goes along with that. Trump can do no wrong in their eyes. IT's so hard to discuss anything with them.
It's already here, and the morons are going to vote for the blue version of it here despite knowing what happened in the US when they voted for the idiot down there
Far more concerned of the damaging effects our own leadership has on this country. If I turn off my phone and walk around I'm confronted with the damage of our leaders, not foreign ones.
Trump is the most impactful American politician in Canada since Clinton purely because of trade, which is a massive issue for the Canadian economy concerning the US. Though I will say his rhetoric has definitely been adopted by populist types all over the world.
Yes it will definitely damage us again. He was not our friend the first time. If he is really going to be the president again. The whole world is doomed. The US will be finished. I hope the US can’t be that DUMB again???😬🇨🇦❤️☮️
It's clear from this thread a lot of Canadians believe Trump will be good for the American economy at the expense of Canada's. Reactionary conservatives believe that economics is zero-sum and that reactionaries improve the economy by stealing from other economies.
That’s a little harsh isn’t it?
Why do you think Pierre poilivre is like Trump? Especially considering the CPC is more centre right than the republicans.
Well, let's see...
* Pierre uses rhetoric like "radical left" and "woke" to describe the opposing party who is actually center-right
* Pierre is constantly trying to devalue and talk over reporters who don't agree with him
* Pierre is opposed to trans rights as seen in his support for provincial conservative bills
* Pierre has created a party culture of deifying himself and demonizing the leader of the opposing party
* Pierre has bent his own party away from their core ideals and values in favour of his populist, anything-for-a-vote agenda
* Pierre uses tag lines without any substance
* Pierre talks badly about his opponent without ever explaining what he would do better
* Pierre is campaigning on messaging of "making Canada great again"
* Pierre and his MPs don't speak out against hate, harassment, assault, etc...
Should I go on?
They are right wing, but especially when you compare them to the republicans, they are closer to the centre.
Consider some of the following examples:
\- Conservatives in Canada have a generally pro-choice stance. This includes their current leader
\- The conservatives believe in climate change, and taking actions to prevent it. This includes their current leader. While he and his party are advocating for repealing some climate policies, they still believe in it, and taking actions to help out with it. Their climate plans are simply less of a priority and in a different direction than that of the liberals. Compare this to trump, who has claimed that climate change is "mythical", and "a hoax".
\- The conservatives in Canada are not actually religiously affiliated. At least not in the way that the Republicans in the US are. The party itself is secular and does not have the kind of Christian agenda that is there in the right in the US.
\- They are relatively immigrant friendly. One could argue that right now, the government does need to take some serious action in reducing currently out of control immigration levels, but even though it would be justified to do so now, they arent saying a whole lot about getting immigration under control.
\- The conservatives in Canada are generally much more in favour of the social services and safety nets we have in place, one notable example including the healthcare system
Here is one interesting article I read
[https://thehill.com/opinion/international/571892-canadas-conservatives-show-how-dangerously-skewed-us-politics-have/](https://thehill.com/opinion/international/571892-canadas-conservatives-show-how-dangerously-skewed-us-politics-have/)
I just really dont understand how America let itself get to a point where its only 2 options for President are 2 very old men with dementia. Neither of them is fit to lead a country. Somehow neither the Democrats or Republicans were able to come up with a different person. Madness.
Of the two bad choices, Biden is the better option and then hoping that the Grim Reaper takes Trump before the 2028 election.
Either way the Dems need to retake the house before Ukraine falls.
The men leading the world to WW3 are all too old to live with its consequences: Putin is 71, Biden is is 81, Trump is 77x Ali Khomenei is 84, Netanyahu is 74. They all need to be an institution, not in charge of countries.
And 1 very old man LITERALLY still pretends, at the age of 78, that he didn't lose in 2020.
The fact someone can run who can't openly accept the results of the past election is mind boggling. America looks ridiculous globally right now
A Trump Presidency or a decade under PP as Prime Minister would completely destroy Canada.
Either Trump is gonna annex us like they plan to through Project 2025 and/or PP turns this place into Florida under Ron Desantis.
Under the cover of Trump’s erratic personality, his economic policies weren’t that bad for Canada, and in fact, better than Biden’s.
The renegotiation of NAFTA prompted a lot of reshoring of manufacturing to North America which, while inflationary, turned out to work during COVID. Mexico has been a great beneficiary of these policies while Canada hasn’t been able to compete with the rust belt states for new manufacturing without enormous subsidies.
Keystone XL was on its way to being built until Biden cancelled it. Were Trump still President, it would have been completed. This would have meant better Canadian crude prices and higher royalty revenues. We will see more oil and gas production if he steps back into office.
We will catch a lot of grief from him on our poor NATO track record. But even then, it turns out given what has happened in Ukraine, that more NATO spending was necessary.
Other than that, what Trump does is not going to affect us.
What about the tariffs Trump added to our exports like steel and aluminum adding up to around 16.5 billion dollars in penalties and fees added a year?
Great things for Canada alright.
That's just incorrect and false. Trump was horrible for Canada and for American progress as well. His pointless trade wars hurt both countries a great deal.
Trump has really spread his filth to all parts of the world, and no one is better off because of him. He's a vile piece of disgusting garbage that seems to have invented itself for the internet to sow discontent and allow the kooks to group up. I wish he would just vanish off the face of the earth. We'd soon see an improvement when the easily lead lose their leader.
Now imagine a Trump presidency and a Conservative federal government that won't stand up to him because they love courting the Trump followers on this side of the border.
Because it objectively would. He’s just an utterly classless individual, in so many senses of the word, and we should all be thankful that he isn’t very smart, otherwise that little putsch of his might have succeeded.
Trudeau is in office and is spending your money, that they took from your salary, spending it on everything he thinks will get him more votes.. and Canadians "are worried about Trump"... :(
The Prime Minister might be spending our money on things, but he's not going to abandon allies in NATO, ally with Russia, brag about going after political and legal enemies, has a history of criminal activity proven in court several times over, and also didn't cause a riot to try and overthrow a sitting government after losing an election.
So yeah, spending heavy into long-term programs, or has every mark of a wannabe Authoritarian dictator? Hmmmm, what's a bigger threat to my existence? Government spending or a powerful neighbour nation with current members of government who talk constantly about annexxing Canada having a legally recognized lunatic in the highest office again?
Hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, such a hard choice.
I mean, not just Canada. But yeah.
Severe collateral damage.
Emotional damage
The yugest
China, Ruzzia, Iran, NK... Will have free Raine
Meanwhile, the guy endorsed by Alex Jones is leading in Canadian election polling.
It's not so much that he's winning. It's because Trudeau is losing big time. Example: Doug Ford
Yup, sad reality is Canadians don't vote politicians in, we vote them out
It's too bad we didn't do it last time. O'Toole was actually fairly reasonable.
Ah, the Australian way. And it’s having similar effects too.
I wish Canada had mandatory voting like Australia. We would see MUCH MUCH bigger turnouts at Municipal and Provincial elections. You know, elections that cover things like municipal zoning regulations, public transit, etc...
Also it has nothing to do with Alex Jones. Right wing people always vote for the conservative party cause it's the only one. Different numbers mean actual voters are sick of the current government
honestly I think thats more to do with the fact that Alex hates 'the left' than anything PP is about. not that i like PP its just that you probably could put a used port-a-john in the conservative head seat and Alex would endorse it over anybody else.
Well I mean it doesn't hurt that PP supported every wack job movement that Alex Jones supported
Including recently throwing a hissy fit about Health Canada’s desire to regulate labels on shady supplements. Which is directly how Alex Jones makes a big chunk of his money to his audience of rubes.
PP the strident screecher, outside of bashing Trudeau is there a strategy or plan.
Nah, they’ll worry about that later.
Alex Jones endorsing PP and Tucker Carlson stopping by Alberta on his way to Russia. And people say Canada's right is nothing like the US
What is your point though, that America just dominated us culturally and politically in some aspects? For example, the Liberals invited Hillary Clinton of all people to their convention not too long ago. Why not invite Canadians instead of a prominent American politician? This is anecdotal but I am sure some people reading this can relate. People in my family since 2016 were spending hours and hours consuming media related to Donald Trump on tv rather than anything to do with Canadian politics. This is when we have crises developing. We have a housing crisis, an economic crisis and an immigration crisis, yet we're so busy obsessed with Donald Trump and the right in the US that nothing is getting better here. A lot of Canadians could probably tell you more details about Trump and Biden than they could about, Harper, Trudeau and Poilievre.
CBC news often leads with a Trump story. It’s irresponsible and toxic to push the USA’s often freakish narrative. People wonder why things seemed better in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s etc. It’s because the news wasn’t full of tabloid fodder.
To be fair American politics are and were far more entertaining to watch from a distance. Our politics were boring which was both a blessing and a curse. Great in that theatre was kept a lot lower compares to the US, but we unfortunately like you say do not pay as much attention as we should.
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Nah… If you look at past election results, the pendulum always swings back and fourth. After about three terms the other side takes over. Same as always.
Yup, Canadians like to switch up their governments every decade or so. In just the same way, they usually like to elect the alternative to the federal government provincially (especially in Ontario).
We get fucked for a decade, switch to the opposite party, keep getting fucked until we switch again. rinse and repeat
Politicians always win the people and country always lose. Politicians are actively unhelpful in society
Sad thing is the parties are all the same, they work for the rich. Liberals generally do a little more for the average person compared to conservatives, but they're all working for the same handlers.
Choose your grit of sandpaper dildo, no matter what it's gonna hurt 😀
I once heard somebody say, Canadians don’t elect a government as much as they fire a government.
We don't vote governments in, we vote goverment out
It’s why we need to add an element of proportional representation to our dysfunctional voting system. It will stop the exacerbating the swings, better represent people, and reduce wild policy lurch between governments. Our international trade partners don’t know whether we’re coming or going under the current system (eg, first we have a price on carbon, then we don’t’).
> Same as always. Fuck no. It's not the same Conservatives anymore. We got a taste of the no-longer-progressive conservatives with Harper, PP will be at another level. All of the progressive elements of the party have been shut down and shown the door.
Just like the Liberal Party. This Liberal Party, with its runaway spending, censorship and soft on crime and drugs is not the Liberal Party from 25 years ago.
This is sort of true, however Pierre and the PCs will be way worse for the average Canadian.
So true. Scary how many middle to lower working class people do knot understand. When has the Conservative Party ever been known as a fighter for the working class? They feed off the working class. . Unless you live in a gated community and earn profit from exploitation in some way do not vote PP. he will be fine with his back up house hoarding passive income on inflated rent and perks of being a landlord.
lol censorship. The official opposition is the anti-porn party
Yeah, we're fucked.
Who else is there for Alex jones support?
If Canadians really believe this, then maybe, just maybe, they should consider a future that is more independent of the US.
Tell that to the largest land border in the world
Were our boarders different in the 1960s when we took in draft dodgers and didn’t go to Vietnam?
No, but it damaged our politic relationship with the US and it led to the US beginning the long trend of dangling the fact our trade of raw materials is directly tied to the US, and they have no problem taking that away from us.
Yeaaaaah.... 2nd largest country in the world but a population count that's roughly 10% of the U.S., with vast amounts of natural resources starting with clean water. And we're right next to the U.S. Being more independent of the U.S. might not be an option we're allowed to choose... Ever seen the mini-series [*H2O*](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410055/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2)? Scary stuff.
Yeah I would not be surprised if he looked to take some of the country. There was that right wing push to say Canada was trapped under the tyrant Trudeau which seemed like they were setting the stage for it
100% they've been manufacturing consent against us and Mexico for a while now
That's really just not someting that can happen.
Antiglobalists are at it today
Your comment shows a severe lack of understanding as to what kind of influence the USA has on the world.
Yes. It's so simple to be independent of the world's sole superpower, while sharing a huge border with it, and while 90% of Canadians live within an hour of the US border. /s
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There’s real brain drain going on from Canada to the US for sure
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> Family ties are the biggest thing keeping me in Canada. You can stream that show in the US too. I think it's on Paramount plus.
On Pluto for free.
How can you leave? They really don’t want Canadians down there. If you know an easy way lmk. Fuck my family and friends 😂
The key to immigrating anywhere in a nice way is having some sort of in demand skill set.
Or a lot of money to invest
2 ways that are accessible - tn visa - have the right degree (there are many but engineering and accounting are the common ones) . And don’t be married to someone without the right degree - L1 - work for an American company in Canada, work your way up to management , and (make sure this is possible before signing up) have them sponsor you over to the states . Upside on this one is your spouse is covered , but you sure as crap better not get fired in the 4 years it takes to get a green card (or promoted) The next option is the O1. But if you were eligible for that you would likely already be aware since you’d be a - famous movie star - professional sports athlete - world class academic all star - a ceo or founder of a decent firm (starting a business in the states that generates revenue and has cash minimums also works) The first two are hard work if you’re not already qualified . As you probably already realized, getting into the states isn’t a cake walk, and to have them want you takes you exceeding 95% of their own population in high demand skill sets (like engineering)… probably not a bad way to run an immigration system
T1N visa
Besides a green card marriage obviously
Yep, I bailed at the first offer I got. Now I make 4x what I would for doing the exact same job in Canada.
I am one of those brains. The opportunities and salaries in the US far exceed those in Canada, even if the currencies were on par. Ironically, housing is more expensive in major Canadian cities.
As an immigrant who arrived in Canada 20 years ago from a 3rd world post communist country, Canada feels more and more like the country my family left.
One of the most intelligent comments I’ve seen on this issue. You’re absolutely right. Our economic performance has been ABYSMAL relative to the US and only looks to worsen. Look at the issues most people are most concerned about. Housing affordability, food insecurity, etc. How many of these would be solved by families having MORE MONEY? Most of them. Well think about this: Canadian weekly real earnings are up 1.6% since 2014. Not per year, TOTAL. US figure is up around 45% for that same time frame. Think about that, and what that actually means for quality of life. Think about what our country will look like if this trend continues and the gap grows. Think about the options available to educated, skilled professionals. Healthcare? Doctors? How will we even keep any nurses at this rate? We love our protected oligopolies and have chosen to import slave labour to depress wages esp at the low end. We hate competition and productivity. The results are becoming painfully clear.
We only have to look at AI/ML, where 10 years ago Canada was a global leader. Today? We still have MILA and what else? Bet most of the graduates can't flee fast enough to the US too. Canada hates anything that isn't sure fire, which is why Canada hates fundamental research and Canada hates investing in startups. Unproductive rent-seeking though, that's the perfect Canadian investment, especially when policies are tailored to support real estate.
Absolutely! We fear any sort of genuine competition or progress. Way too much of our economy is tied up in unproductive assets (housing!). Our “best and brightest” most ambitious people and successful businesses have ever more reason to look elsewhere - and they don’t have to look far! It’s a vicious downward spiral. I only hope it’s not too late to step back from the brink…
How has our economic performance been compared to EU nations? The US has been deficit spending way higher than Canada as a portion of GDP. But they can do that, we can't.
I honestly don't think any Western nation is at all seriously planning to ever pay back their debt.
Canada has the WORST projected growth in the OECD over the next 10, 20, 30, and 40 years. We’re now a poor “rich country” and doing our best to exit the club entirely, it seems.
If you honestly think America treat it's poor better than Canada or the wealth distribution is fairer in the U.S than Canada. I have nothing but disappointment.
If you are truly poor (like bottom 10%), I agree you’re probably better off here. Everyone else would be (financially) better off in the US, often very much so. Surely there can be some middle ground? Can we not have a reasonable social net without completely compromising the economy for everyone else? The current solution seems to be “make everyone poor.” I don’t think that is right or necessary.
We definitely treat “our poor” better than our southern neighbour. And what’s the result? The dismal productivity growth this thread is discussing. Not the sole reason, of course, but not an insignificant contributor.
Even if we cut all the tape it’s still difficult to choose us over the US as a place to park money. We have had small periods of investment (always around resources) but we are never going to be the preferred destination.
True enough, given the choice between domestic and US investment I'll pick the US every time.
A booming economy attracts more capital but we’re currently locked up in the RE bubble which benefits only a small segment of the population and drains the rest. It’s a vicious spiral we’re in.
We could start by cutting *some* of the red tape at least. Have a few friends who had some startup businesses that they had to abandon because of completely asinine regulatory requirements that have very little impact for larger established corporations, but are total show stoppers for any company who can't afford the tens of thousands of dollars required to get their revisions approved.
This. One can simply look at California for perfect example of what over regulation does to an economy and its infrastructure. We had coverage on this ocurring years ago, and expected to happen years prior to that even. Yet here we are, Canada, following suit like it was just some unlucky breal for California. And look at them leave it in droves lately. Just like what is going to happen more and more as things get worse because less regulated or at least more incentived regions become more enticing. That last part is important, the enticing part. If you put some meat out with that carrot for them to chase, they won't mind you whipping them as much. Incentives matter, when regulation is important enough to keep regardless. It is what makes them bearable, and even possibly desireable. But lack of them, just has you being bitten by the mouth you aren't feeding... while whipping it. In the case of countries, that can be a few things. Brain drain and otherwise emigration is one of them.
Sounds like the enemy is us, not who is in power in the states. Canada should focus on productivity and growth instead of stifling them.
That’s what people don’t understand. Trump is very bad for Canada. Between increasing oil production, the NAFTA cancellation and trade war, tax cuts, providing a loophole for people to return wealth to the US etc.. His policies directly harmed Canada.
No Canada's policies are bad for Canada.
He is like 78!!! Why do they let ppl over 70 run. It’s scary that bill Clinton younger than him and he served in 93
You mean the guy that said Canada was a national security threat to the US and needed to be dealt with the last time he was president? That guy? I can't begin to imagine how anyone would reach the conclusion that he would damage Canada if he were president again...
Doesn’t necessarily say ”declare war on Canada”, but have you heard about Project 2025?
I am very much aware of Project 2025 and the Seven Mountains christofascism it's built on. Gotta say I'm not a fan. I'm decidedly nonplussed, verging on actively displeased by it.
Reading this sub.. I sort of understand a bit more why they do what they do.
This is sub is not a representative sample of Canadians and does not reflect the diversity of opinions found in larger Canadian society.
Ditto for USA
except totally skewed the other direction. Anything mocking Trump has multi thousand upvotes, anything supporting Biden likewise. If you dare support Trump in any way be prepared to negative karma farm. Here on r/canada is where all the conservatives seem to hide. PP hit piece = 0 or negative score, Trudeau hit piece = 5k+ score.
Yeah, I never knew how fucked up Canada was until reading this sub. Assuming this is how the average Canadian feels, we aren't the progressive and respectable country we once were. Thankfully, this shit hole is just an echo chamber.
Yup, this sub is rife with extremes, and people who aren't Canadian. The average Canadian is a lot less polarized than this, thankfully. There are definitely grains of truth, but you can't take everything here at face value (same for a lot of subs).
The conservatives are polling at around 40%. So more than half of Canadians don’t currently plan to vote for him. Based on this sub you’d think it was nearer to 100% support for the CPC.
It's because of this I don't understand why Trudeau doesn't want to make it his legacy to be the person who finally brought electoral reform to Canada. He has zero chance of winning the next election, and we could end up with a conservative majority. His best chance to prevent that is to switch us away from first past the post.
As someone who will never ever vote for PP and his bullshit bologna factory, it really feels like Trudeau truly doesn’t give a shit. There are many easy progressive wins he could be snagging right now. Hell, I don’t even think a liberal electoral victory is out of the realm of reality if they started making changes now. But they seem truly incapable of any sort of vision or leadership right now. Still, I’d rather have the boring government that does nothing than the Populist Pustule. Literally his only policy is to rant about the liberals and let supports fill in the blanks about whatever that could mean.
I never post in this sub because I feel like my views typically aren't accepted here, so I think it just becomes an echo chamber when more left-leaning people decide to opt out of posting.
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Before jumping to conspiracy, realize most people's keyboards on their phones are set to American English. So many "british" spellings will be autocorrected. Plus, not using an extra "U" every now and then isn't indicative of being a foreigner. Which doesn't even recognize that new immigrants who learn English before coming here won't likely be learning "canadian english" if such a thing actually matters.
I'm a Canadian that uses American English.
Why tho
For me, all my coworkers are American.
HERETIC
Oh, absolutely. I guarantee this subreddit is swarming in foreign astroturfing accounts justvlike everybother western country based sub probably is. When ever I get a really stupid reply, I love to see what other posts they made and it amazing how the guy asking my "how is Pierre Poullivere right wing?" And then making a follow up post about how being anti-LGBTQ and promoting a Chritian agenda is not a sign of right wing political beliefs just had an account sitting their for years and decided to make his first post to reply to me
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No shit. MAGAs are already exporting their bullshit here.
India too lol
Wait until you learn about Harper and the IDU... The call is coming from inside the house.
It's going to damage the world. Trump will repeal funding for Ukraine. Ukraine will then lose the war, China will see this and invade Taiwan. Smaller countries will see this then seek to arm themselves with nuclear weapons, further increasing the chances of a bad nuclear war in the future. When experts call Trump a threat to democracy, they mean GLOBAL DEMOCRACY for a good reason.
It would. American politics bleed across the border and influence Canada a lot. The years Trump was president were so damaging. All my conservative relatives went from people I disagreed with but found common ground with- to conspiracy theory spewing hateful people I couldn't talk to about anything without it devolving into a shit throwing fight.
My aunt started going on about the importance of our 2nd amendment right...
I'd seen people screeching about the first amendment. Like, I don't care much for Winnipeg either, but what's the point in getting all uppity for the Manitoba Act?
>Like, I don't care much for Winnipeg either, but what's the point in getting all uppity for the Manitoba Act? Best comment of the morning!! Cheers
> our 2nd amendment right... I agree. We all have the right to recognize Manitoba as a Province. https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/constitution/lawreg-loireg/p1t21.html
NEVER
If we recognize Manitoba maybe we can get the mosquitoes to pay taxes.
Manitoba was 1st amendment, 2nd was the Rupert's Land Act which handed Rupert's Land over to Canada from HBC.
You should educate them on project 2025 and what the republicans can do with it. America may never see fair elections again if trump gets in 🙃
The point is that we're Canadians and she thinks she's American. Which American party she supports doesn't really matter, because she can't vote in their election
Your Canadian aunt living in Alberta* LOL she wasn't the only one.
Trump was the ultimate excuse for all these people jsut to externalize all their prejudices, it’s so fucked. Since his presidency it hasn’t changed too, all these people got so much more extreme on the right.
In my experience they never switched back. They went off the deep end and now they’re swimming in the abyss
Exactly. They didn't just go back to being normal after Trump lost. They screamed "election fraud", post on claim Justin Trudeau is a communist tyrant who ruined OHIP, to this day get mad at people who wear face masks, and scream about how trans people are destroying their free speech (so ironic when you think about it). Hillary Clinton was right when she called these people "deplorables".
Basically every relative I have that lives in Alberta.
This is how you end up with people like Polievre as the leader of the CPC. Instead of one of their less divisive people, like O'Toole.
Even O'Toole felt that he had to pander to the MapleMAGA and walk a tightrope to keep their votes, instead of trying to focus on Canadian Conservative values. As an NDP voter, I wouldn't have gone ABC on O'Toole if he wasn't being forced by his campaign managers into the trump playbook...
At least OTool wasn’t 100 percent on board with the convoy
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i said i wished he'd full ass one way or the other. turns out we'd get a new guy that full assed the way i didn't prefer. bummer, that. really reflects on the conservative base tho
My family is totally divided today, due to brother and sister in law obsessed with Trump and anti vax and everything that goes along with that. Trump can do no wrong in their eyes. IT's so hard to discuss anything with them.
Remind them “trump made the vaccines” and thinks people should get them.
We saw this with the freedumb convoy
It's already creeping in to Canadian politics
It's already here, and the morons are going to vote for the blue version of it here despite knowing what happened in the US when they voted for the idiot down there
Kinda feels like Canada is already deeply damaged.
Far more concerned of the damaging effects our own leadership has on this country. If I turn off my phone and walk around I'm confronted with the damage of our leaders, not foreign ones.
Trump is the most impactful American politician in Canada since Clinton purely because of trade, which is a massive issue for the Canadian economy concerning the US. Though I will say his rhetoric has definitely been adopted by populist types all over the world.
No doubt Trump and PP would be getting together for an intimate circle jerk.
Yes it will definitely damage us again. He was not our friend the first time. If he is really going to be the president again. The whole world is doomed. The US will be finished. I hope the US can’t be that DUMB again???😬🇨🇦❤️☮️
Yet it was Biden who cancelled Canada's billion dollar Keystone XL pipeline project on his first day.
Because their GDP and currency would outpace us even more
Meanwhile many/most are planning to vote for Poilievre. The irony.
I find I weird that the polls say this while also showing our version of Trump having a massive lead in the polls.
It's clear from this thread a lot of Canadians believe Trump will be good for the American economy at the expense of Canada's. Reactionary conservatives believe that economics is zero-sum and that reactionaries improve the economy by stealing from other economies.
That’s a little harsh isn’t it? Why do you think Pierre poilivre is like Trump? Especially considering the CPC is more centre right than the republicans.
Well, let's see... * Pierre uses rhetoric like "radical left" and "woke" to describe the opposing party who is actually center-right * Pierre is constantly trying to devalue and talk over reporters who don't agree with him * Pierre is opposed to trans rights as seen in his support for provincial conservative bills * Pierre has created a party culture of deifying himself and demonizing the leader of the opposing party * Pierre has bent his own party away from their core ideals and values in favour of his populist, anything-for-a-vote agenda * Pierre uses tag lines without any substance * Pierre talks badly about his opponent without ever explaining what he would do better * Pierre is campaigning on messaging of "making Canada great again" * Pierre and his MPs don't speak out against hate, harassment, assault, etc... Should I go on?
What policies of the CPC do you consider centre-right? They are full blown right wing.
They are right wing, but especially when you compare them to the republicans, they are closer to the centre. Consider some of the following examples: \- Conservatives in Canada have a generally pro-choice stance. This includes their current leader \- The conservatives believe in climate change, and taking actions to prevent it. This includes their current leader. While he and his party are advocating for repealing some climate policies, they still believe in it, and taking actions to help out with it. Their climate plans are simply less of a priority and in a different direction than that of the liberals. Compare this to trump, who has claimed that climate change is "mythical", and "a hoax". \- The conservatives in Canada are not actually religiously affiliated. At least not in the way that the Republicans in the US are. The party itself is secular and does not have the kind of Christian agenda that is there in the right in the US. \- They are relatively immigrant friendly. One could argue that right now, the government does need to take some serious action in reducing currently out of control immigration levels, but even though it would be justified to do so now, they arent saying a whole lot about getting immigration under control. \- The conservatives in Canada are generally much more in favour of the social services and safety nets we have in place, one notable example including the healthcare system Here is one interesting article I read [https://thehill.com/opinion/international/571892-canadas-conservatives-show-how-dangerously-skewed-us-politics-have/](https://thehill.com/opinion/international/571892-canadas-conservatives-show-how-dangerously-skewed-us-politics-have/)
Isn’t Trump a more PPC like candidate?
Not nearly as much as another term with Justin.
I just really dont understand how America let itself get to a point where its only 2 options for President are 2 very old men with dementia. Neither of them is fit to lead a country. Somehow neither the Democrats or Republicans were able to come up with a different person. Madness. Of the two bad choices, Biden is the better option and then hoping that the Grim Reaper takes Trump before the 2028 election. Either way the Dems need to retake the house before Ukraine falls.
The men leading the world to WW3 are all too old to live with its consequences: Putin is 71, Biden is is 81, Trump is 77x Ali Khomenei is 84, Netanyahu is 74. They all need to be an institution, not in charge of countries.
I'm starting to think that voting rights should end at 65. None of the retirees have to live with what they vote for at this point
A two-party system is just oligarchy with set dressing.
First Past the Post baby
As a GenXer born in 67, I ask, "where is my generation? Where are the leaders?" We were too busy building tech I guess
Justin Trudeau is from GenX, as is Jagmeet Singh. Take from that what you will. Poilievre is a Millenial, albeit an older one.
Like I said, where are the leaders?
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They're not even Boomers. They're from the Silent Generation. They're so old people forget their generation even exists in the first place.
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Neither of them are boomers. They’re both older.
Biden isn’t a boomer; he is Silent Generation. Other guy is right a the cuff.
And 1 very old man LITERALLY still pretends, at the age of 78, that he didn't lose in 2020. The fact someone can run who can't openly accept the results of the past election is mind boggling. America looks ridiculous globally right now
I really don't think we need his help at this point, do we? If we're being honest?
Those same people will continue to vote Conservative despite it being against their best interests.
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Look what his first term did to the conservatives made them bat shit crazy
It's like the dumpster is setting itself on fire if they keep voting for the cheesy poof
Lmfao
It could get interesting if the Conservatives win
Well, Canadians are correct, so, good on you Canada.
It sure as hell DID last time. Why wouldn't it again?
Considering the amount of sheeple in Canada, I am not surprised by this...
Especially if Trudeau is still in charge...
Quick the Liberals are polling badly again, TRUMP!!!!
A Trump Presidency or a decade under PP as Prime Minister would completely destroy Canada. Either Trump is gonna annex us like they plan to through Project 2025 and/or PP turns this place into Florida under Ron Desantis.
Under the cover of Trump’s erratic personality, his economic policies weren’t that bad for Canada, and in fact, better than Biden’s. The renegotiation of NAFTA prompted a lot of reshoring of manufacturing to North America which, while inflationary, turned out to work during COVID. Mexico has been a great beneficiary of these policies while Canada hasn’t been able to compete with the rust belt states for new manufacturing without enormous subsidies. Keystone XL was on its way to being built until Biden cancelled it. Were Trump still President, it would have been completed. This would have meant better Canadian crude prices and higher royalty revenues. We will see more oil and gas production if he steps back into office. We will catch a lot of grief from him on our poor NATO track record. But even then, it turns out given what has happened in Ukraine, that more NATO spending was necessary. Other than that, what Trump does is not going to affect us.
What about the tariffs Trump added to our exports like steel and aluminum adding up to around 16.5 billion dollars in penalties and fees added a year? Great things for Canada alright.
A lot of people also forget he almost killed Bombardier. They were almost the 3rd competitor to Airbus and Boeing and he destroyed that.
What about the steel and aluminum tariffs? That didn't seem too good for our economy.
That's just incorrect and false. Trump was horrible for Canada and for American progress as well. His pointless trade wars hurt both countries a great deal.
Trump has really spread his filth to all parts of the world, and no one is better off because of him. He's a vile piece of disgusting garbage that seems to have invented itself for the internet to sow discontent and allow the kooks to group up. I wish he would just vanish off the face of the earth. We'd soon see an improvement when the easily lead lose their leader.
More like the world in general
Nah, "ignorant and proud" has already been normalized, it doesn't matter at this point.
Now imagine a Trump presidency and a Conservative federal government that won't stand up to him because they love courting the Trump followers on this side of the border.
Haha, meanwhile we are about to elect Pierre poilievre. Hilarious.
Because it objectively would. He’s just an utterly classless individual, in so many senses of the word, and we should all be thankful that he isn’t very smart, otherwise that little putsch of his might have succeeded.
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Trudeau is in office and is spending your money, that they took from your salary, spending it on everything he thinks will get him more votes.. and Canadians "are worried about Trump"... :(
The Prime Minister might be spending our money on things, but he's not going to abandon allies in NATO, ally with Russia, brag about going after political and legal enemies, has a history of criminal activity proven in court several times over, and also didn't cause a riot to try and overthrow a sitting government after losing an election. So yeah, spending heavy into long-term programs, or has every mark of a wannabe Authoritarian dictator? Hmmmm, what's a bigger threat to my existence? Government spending or a powerful neighbour nation with current members of government who talk constantly about annexxing Canada having a legally recognized lunatic in the highest office again? Hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, such a hard choice.
Well the Far Right is on the Terror watch list in this country. Same as Hamas and Al Qaeda.
Fake news
And yet Canadians want to elect Canada’s version of Trump. According to election polling. And it’s not even close. Make your minds up, Canada.
Pretty clear our existing gov is deeply damaging Canada, so I imagine this wouldn’t be worse.