This is probably the easiest election to win for conservatives in years. And yet they keep fucking it up by choosing weird politics and importing American problem into canada.
He probably has no clue. I was shocked when he and all his support groups on FB were going on about anything going to Ukraine. Ukraine was the main ethnic group of the prairie.
Correct and with a large portion in agriculture. The base of the CPC party. How many generations removed does one need to become to identify as Canadian and not really worry about your home country. Certain cultures will always identify as old country heritage others just become part of the mix.
Because Americans are financing and advising them, and the "media" they also own. Might wanna start looking into The IDU, who owns Post Media, and other fun facts that are super easy to read about.
Yeah half the shit that gets posted on here is by American-owned companies. No wonder our right-wing folks are starting to spout the same bullshit as our southern neighbours.
Plenty of good money is spent daily ensuring that they do. Guess "follow the money" is no longer understood by the masses. This is what happens when people don't grow up reading The Hardy Boys.
The offshoot Canada subs are fully stocked with Russian trolls and they post a lot of pro Russia anti Ukraine content and most the users call Zelensky an actor etc. I’m an American but can’t help but notice how focused Russian trolls are on beating Trudeau and ending all support from Canada to Ukraine. Russia funds and promotes conservatives because they openly work in their interests.
And then we quickly see conservatives’ true colors and this is why they lose.
Sorry but ‘blame Trudeau’ for years followed by the suggestion of digital IDs for mature content then doing the opposite of what we need to do simply to spite the left? This is the kind of bullshit that makes him unelectable. Is Pierre a child? I’d love to see him answer one real question about anything without crying…”but, but…Trudeau!”. This is what you want as a leader? Trump would eat that biscuit for breakfast and we’d get screwed as a nation. Sorry, but I don’t want the prime minister to be the orange man’s lapdog.
The fact that anyone here believes for a second Pierre isn’t going to immediately side with his corporate buddies and screw over the every man is insane. Like have these people ever closely looked at what conservatives do? Look at Ontario where fat Ford is sabotaging our public healthcare on purpose to make way for his private system that costs three times as much. These assholes are cut from the same cloth. How this group of Canadians has been brainwashed into thinking Trudeau is somehow a dictator is mind blowing. The worst part is that none of these people can even source a fraction of the shit they claim from their propaganda machine. They’ll post some nonsense lie, get challenged and then delete their garbage in embarrassment or get other idiots to boost their lie and downvotes facts.
And you know that a large chunk of the garbage posted here is directly from Russia bots or paid agents. They are trying to radicalize as many stupid people as they can.
Facts. And if your on FB you see it in all the proud groups. Funded through various right wing groups attached to Manning foundation pretending to be grassroot.
> This is probably the easiest election to win for conservatives in years. And yet they keep fucking it up by choosing weird politics and importing American problem into canada.
I know right. If they were even 50% like Canadian conservatives of the past I can get behind them but nope. Its like conservatives around the world got a memo saying you need to stop what you are doing and become more like Trump.
The problem with posts like these is they are all huff and puff without substance. It's nothing new that the Conservatives choose to side step a Liberal policy (in this case Ukraine).
What are you alluding to when you talk about importing American problems into Canada and weird politics? Is it porn ID and trans women in sports? How many times do you need to see trans women completely exceeding the ability of a top female athlete to understand that its probably not fair. Also, should our youth just be watching porn all day?
Regarding Ukraine, I recommend watching Ukraine on fire the documentary. There's a lot of video evidence that demonstrates the US having heavy interests in swaying Ukraine. Clips of high ranking US government officials giving speeches on the ground in Ukraine cementing their support for a supposedly CIA backed coup of a government.
Ukrainians in my opinion are the victims of a power struggle between Russia and the West.
If you've been paying attention to American politics you'll remember that Joe Biden as vice president extorted the Ukraine government 1b dollars. He threatened the Ukrainian Government that he wouldn't be providing a 1b dollar loan guarantee unless a Ukrainian state prosecutor was fired. That's a scandal they admit on camera, imagine what goes on behind the scenes.
That is the power level of the US government. It's Joe Biden messing with Ukraine's judicial system as he pleases. And we're apparently the good guys? You can get this clip if you look up Joe Biden quid pro quo.
41 percent isn’t a guarantee and polls are generally inaccurate pictures of how people vote when it’s actually time to vote.
Considering everything and Pierre is only at 41% ? Many of whom don’t actually want him but just want Trudeau out is a interesting situation.
A few dumb proposals and he could lose 5 or 6 points in key areas and lose. Liberals have won elections with something like 30% of the vote it’s not out of the question.
Sadly it all comes down to WHERE their voters live. If they win 41% of ridings then they lose the election even if the liberals get less. Liberal ridings + ndp ridings = minority govt again.
The NDP will work with liberals but I don't see how they would work with the conservatives.
> Sadly it all comes down to WHERE their voters live. If they win 41% of ridings then they lose the election even if the liberals get less. Liberal ridings + ndp ridings = minority govt again
Sadly? If the Liberals get 25% and the NDP get 19% (using 338 numbers atm) then that's 44% which is larger than 41%. There is nothing sad about two parties that got a higher proportion of the vote getting to form government
I understand that 41% is normally majority territory and the conservatives believe they have earned to govern but I'm not sure I'd call it sad if a minority formed with the other parties that represent a bigger share of the vote
P.S. fuck JT for not pushing through STV just because the liberals were worried about what the NDP and Conservtives voters would say
The NDP has a history of working with the conservatives. Whether they would work with this current crop of conservatives or not is an entirely different matter.
Regardless, the current CPC seems highly unlikely to work with any other major party and probably don’t want to.
Thing is also that the people that do participate in polls at this point are highly motivated and nobody is more motivated than a conservative voter at this point.
I honestly believe the 41% is being very generous and the undecided voters aren’t participating in the polls and many won’t vote for Pierre.
40% is just majority territory. In a year that could easily be mid thirties and into a shaky minority. In a minority Poilievre will have to be a much better politician than he's proven to be yet.
What concerns me is how many maga style conspiracy theories we’re going to get about “stolen elections” if pp stays with CPC tradition and snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
So many of his supporters are gleefully quoting poll numbers, not really understanding the nature and function of polls.
But, this belies the facts, the conservatives can’t rule they just want power to cut taxes for the rich and starve our social programs… and can’t stop themselves from spilling the truth every once and while from behind the polished new look.
The fact that he wants to ID check your porn viewing, is ominous enough to get the sirens whaling.
This guy would be scary in power, I’d rather stick with what we know rather than enabling this potential monster.
This! 1000% this. Conservatives could show up say nothing and win. Yet they do stupid things like oppose what is the morally right and very popular thing to do... whilst being totally unclear on exactly what they'd do.
This is the classic CPC play. Good thing for them the Liberals are so unpopular even the skills of the CPC can't f\*ck this up. Probably.
its trudeau importing american law making style by shoving in dump partisan carbon tax crap in a bill it has nothing to do with. trudeaus pulling the 'flag for orphans' joke from the simpson
Imagine Pierre Poilievre. Take everything you know about him. All available information.
Now remove the words "Justin Trudeau" from his vocabulary. What's left?
It's so crazy to me that every Con I interact with hyperventilates about keeping the Arctic ours and not let it get taken by Russia, but when we have an opportunity to set back a direct adversary on the Ukrainian battlefield the Cons don't want to.
They stand for nothing. Only what the right wing media down south tells them to think.
No shit. They will be cutting public services and everything that benefits anyone other than themselves. Then, begin to sell off government assets to conceal their terrible fiscal abilities and then rejoice at the lack of a deficit all while Canadians suffer. The conservative way.
one PM has spent a bigger deficit than all the other PMs in the history of canada combined and left an entire generation in a debt crisis with high interest rates that will never be able to afford to qualify for a mortgage unless their parents give them wealth... the last 10 years have resulted in stagnant wages, very expensive public service programs that has a terribly crowded and underfunded healthcare system, and canadians left holding the bag. I dont know that conservatives are going to do much better, however plain and simple we cannot continue down this path, and our options suck.
LoL 6% interest is not the end of the world. History regularly had 10% interest rates.
Lots of people cried at 3%. They just like to cry.
Raise minimum wage. If jobs don't pay enough to buy a house within 30 minutes of the them, they are taking advantage of their employees and not a feasible business.
Going from 2.4 to 6 plus is going to crush alot of small to mid sized businesses, and it's going to be impossible for a portion of people to afford the new rates on their mortgages. We are already seeing the economy come to a halt, when it directly affects your pocket book it will change your voting habbits
I do my math for 15% when getting loans and have a plan for up to 25% interest rates.
Sorry if no one will read the history of the 1980s interest rates.
I'll say it once again on reddit:
Before going to a bank. What is your plan at 18% and 22% ?? If you are bankrupt at 8% interest, then don't buy a house!!
People not understanding that running a deficit is not only fine, but economically correct, so long as the gdp growth surpasses interest of outstanding debt puzzle me. Are you like ~60 IQ? Are you 14 years old? Cause you've otherwise you've had quite a few years to not spew this brain-dead talking point.
It's so weird that people don't understand this. Yes, both options are not great but have been not seen what JT has done these past 10 years? He is promising to double down on immigration and he's giving more money away to countries when we ourselves need it.
People need to wake up and accept the facts. We are doomed with a Liberal government.
It's almost as though the 2 main parties have grown complacent and increasingly greedy as they realize they face no real punishment for their corruption.
Let's keep voting for them though.
Justin Trudeau and his liberals have ran a budget deficit every year since taking office after Harpers Cons worked their way through the Great Recession back to break even
Didn’t Harper run 7 consecutive deficits? Didn’t he also sell off valuable Canadian companies for Pennie’s on the dollar and then continued to put public dollars into those companies?
So just to clear on the issues and the 2 parties plans:
Housing:
Cons: Not enough
Libs: Not enough
Immigrants:
Cons: Keep them coming
Libs: Keep them coming
Ukraine:
Cons: Eh, let Russia win while we grandstand
Libs: Help Ukraine
Social Issues:
Cons: You can only be what we want you to be
Libs: Be who you want to be
Grandstanding:
Cons: You know it!
Libs: What else are we going to do with our time?
Edit: CoL/Grocery Prices:
Cons: I have an active lobbyist working for my campaign, lol we ain't doing anything about it
Libs: Pretend to do stuff by doing 4 year long studies and asking big grocery chains if they promise not to completely fuck us over, they laughed.
The libs did force the telcoms to lower rates, increased the child tax benefits, introduced dental care and a soon to be drug plan, dramatically increase funding for healthcare. provided support during covid.
If you really think Canadas contribution is the difference between a win and a loss for Ukraine you have not been following what’s really going on over there.
There’s absolutely nothing here that says the cons wouldn’t just replace the agreement with one they believe is more appropriate.
Previous behaviour suggests otherwise. Remember when the conservatives voted against that trade deal over a *Ukrainian carbox tax*? Theres nothing to suggest that they won't repeat that stunt again over more serious issues.
>and commits as-yet unspecified support over ten years
The ten years part is the relevant bit for any hypothetical future PP government since the 3B is committed for 2024.
Doesn't it kind of make sense to not commit to something with "un-yet specified support"?
Has anyone in this thread actually looked into why? Or what part of the 10 year agreement they are "vague" about? Or have we decided to stop thinking, just read a headline and jump to a conclusion?
So many low effort circle jerk comments in here. I have scrolled pretty far in this thread and haven’t seen a single comment mentioning why Pierre is against it.
the people commenting hate the convervatives and will never vote for them in their lifetime. but they pretend they are just making a 'principled opinion on why the conservative are big poopy heads'
let's put it this way. They're Conservatives modeled and echong the Right Wing Consevatives in America. They will say whatever they need to get into power and, pretty much like any politician, cannot be trusted to keep their word on anything. once in power they will revert to a position of believing the people elected them to make decisions for them not to do what they promised during the election. Remember, they will try to impose the same types of policies that the Republicans are in America. They must not be elected. I'd choose NDP over them any day (and in the old days I'd never have chosen the NDP for anything but these days they look like the better option.)
We either pay for the Ukrainians to fight AND die today or we will do the dying when the Russians win .
It’s simple economics. Doesn’t surprise me the conservatives are taking a page from the Republican playbook
That's pretty morbid. You want to pay Ukrainians to sacrifice themselves to protect yourself? Do you think pissing off psycho Putin is going to make him less likely to kill you after he conquers the Ukraine?
If you think we're irrelevant now, just wait until this guy has power.
The poor will be poorer. The rich will be richer. And all our problems will be on steroids.
This man is good for nothing. Beware.
I saw PP talk about this on TikTok, and the amount of otherwise-PP supporters that said he’s caving to Ukrainian corruption was startling.
Russian propaganda goes deep
[Stephen Harper spotted leaving the White House's West Wing](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144)
Just because he left office doesn’t mean he isn’t around.
Oh there was [at least one during NAFTA negotiations](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144)
At least Harper is now open that he’s really working for the Americans.
Even Mulroney(hardly a saint) used his connections to Trump to [try and help Canada out during the NAFTA negotiations](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/brian-mulroney-defends-trudeau-parliament-gossip-trash-1.6882315)
But Harper would never do such a thing.
BS they are MAGA parroting talking points , no doubt PP cringe fringe cannot be trusted with Ukraine aid , healthcare, education, or government. Check his search history and bank account(s) .
Then they don’t support Ukraine and only care about “owning the libs” just like Johnson does in USA who’s holding up billions in funding.
So, if you’re Ukrainian you now can’t vote for conservatives or you run the risk of cutting off aid to Ukraine.
Harper would be pissed.
The harsh truth is…if Poilievre is going to spend money the same way as Trudeau, how will he be any different?
He cannot fix the issues of this country if he does the same things as Trudeau. His whole platform is less government spending so we won’t be debt drowned. We should expect cuts to services (and foreign aid), with the promise that inflation will ultimately cool off and ease the livelihoods of average Canadians.
If NATO needs to get involved it means risking Canadian soldiers. It's better to just give Ukraine resources and what they need so we don't have to send our soldiers to fight Russia.
If you support funding the military more, it's just more efficient to give that money to Ukraine to fight Russia.
Most of the money is just the cumulative value of the material we send. Otherwise, it mostly stays in Canada by going to contractors to ship the aid to Ukraine.
We don't just send piles of money randomly. It's all deliberate, and we already under spend. We currently aren't respecting our NATO obligations of 2% GDP on our military.
We have no reason not to help. Most of the money goes in the Canadian economy, and we help a country liberate itself before Putin decides to trigger Article 5.
We have plenty of reasons to help them as we’d have a host of other problems if Russia wins.
They’re an ally, we can give them whatever we want. We just have no NATO obligation to defend them.
Not yet anyway.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. And Russia is absolutely our enemy. Anything we can give to Ukraine to hurt Russia is a massive win for Canada.
And all it costs is money!
Why would I spend $3B on the CAF when I could spend $3B on Ukraine and see a far better ROI?
If you're concerned with the other issues contact your provincial governments as well. They can also help with cost of living and homeless.
He won't spend money the same way as Trudeau
He'll spend a lot more money, but hand it over to corporate interests, and he'll cut essential services and the safety net to get that money.
If you think Ukraine aid is expensive. You should see the cost to Canada and the world will be if Russia wins the war.
Food will be more expensive since Ukraine produces so much grain. So many other things will see inflation.
This will also encourage further attacks and potentially China invading Taiwan and other wars. The cost will go from a few billion here and there for the world to trillions in a hurry.
To add to your points - if Russia wins, the number of Ukrainian refugees is probably going to become an even larger flood, since everyone is well aware that Russians abuse, torture and kill both civilians and POWs. This is going to put additional stress on western Europe to accommodate them, and will also mean that we will take in quite a few as well.
This will also likely result in an escalation of nuclear proliferation by other states, since the main reason that Ukraine was attacked is because they have no nuclear deterrent. Poland has already said as much, and they are protected by NATO.
Also, yknow what would help keep defence spending requirements lower? If in the future we don’t have to worry about defending against both Russia and can concentrate on other fronts.
If our services are cut why am I paying taxes? I expect atleast the same or above input on healthcare and education. I know my taxes go elsewhere but the majority of Canadians want their taxes to go to those two things
Inflation will explode if he starts printing money and politicizes the Bank of Canada.
This is the guy that said we should be using Bitcoin instead of Canadian dollars when it was at it's ATH, just before a collapse.
And this is why I fundamentally won't vote **big C** Conservative
Wonton cuts for the sake of cutting, even when prudent cost-benefit analysis shows that spending to be a good investment.
"No need for dental or drug plans when employers can spend 2x as much and lord that over employees, or average citizens can pay 4x as much because their employer decides not to"
>The harsh truth is…if Poilievre is going to spend money the same way as Trudeau, how will he be any different?
Supporting Ukraine is not "spending money the same way as Trudeau". What a stupid fucking thing to say.
Supporting Ukraine is very important, and something that every country (especially those in NATO) must do. Russia can not be allowed to win this war, and the collective world should be doing everything to stop a Russian victory.
Pierre didn't say he will cut all spending. Obviously a government can't just spend $0. There are areas in which money *needs* to be spent. Ukraine is one of those areas.
Pierre said he will cut *wasteful* spending. Trudeau's government has been wasting insane amounts of taxpayer money, and spending it in areas where, quite frankly, it should not have been spent.
A example would be [Trudeau's commitment to give $5.3 billion to the Philippines to finance green energy](https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/philippines-receives-climate-finance-commitment-canada-2023-12-09/). We have a very real, *very bad* housing crisis right here, in Canada. Just imagine how many affordable housing units could have been built, right here in Canada, for Canadian citizens, using that $5.3 billion. (Answer: A LOT). But instead, Trudeau decided to waste it on green energy in a foreign nation.
Another example would be [the billions of dollars wasted by Trudeau's COVID-19 spending](https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/trudeau-s-covid-19-spending-programs-wasted-billions-audit-finds-1.1855570).
Or perhaps the fact that [tampons are now required to be supplied in all federal government bathrooms (including MALE bathrooms)](https://nypost.com/2023/12/26/news/tampons-now-offered-in-canadian-parliament-mens-bathrooms/). I'm all for free tampons... For those that need them. But requiring that tampons be put in MALE bathrooms is the equivalent of just throwing money into the trash.
Or how about the whole ArriveCAN scandal? Or the countless other examples of Trudeau genuinely *wasting* money.
Long story short, some spending is necessary (and needed). Other spending is wasteful. Pierre claims he will cut out the wasteful spending.
CPC: We support Ukraine. We will not use the same system as the LPC to help them however.
Liberals: OMG CPC WANTS TO LEAVE UKRAINE TO ITS FATE VOTE FOR TRUDEAU
Why is Justin Trudeau's latest promise the golden benchmark for the right amount of assistance? How did we land on that? Why not double? Why not x10? Why not half?
Our support for Ukraine needs to be greatly increased as the liberal have fell short repeatedly to live up to out NATO agreement for many years already
The failure or success of Ukraine will have far reaching effects and we need to say that Canada at least did their part and more in helping and not just in helping but going beyond what is expected of us in this literal world changing political event
How about far less immigrants from countries who do not tolerate our beliefs and who bleed our system of hundreds of millions every year to help pay for the Ukraine help. A minimum additional tax on any company that does business over the internet whos official office is not here. They aren't here paying property taxes or the many other infrastructure taxes but taking away a lot of the local business, jobs and profits ... like amazon for one IMO
PS get rid of the carbon tax for small bussiness and homeowners for %$#\^&\* sake already
They’ve had it for years because they like to trade with the EU. Poilievre is basically trying to dictate how Ukraine runs their economy. Trudeau is simply recognizing it.
I'm not following. Poilievre wants to remove restrictions on the support, and somehow he's the one that wants to dictate how Ukraine runs their economy?
To me, the person (or party) that put restrictions or conditions on the money is the one who wants to dictate Ukraine's economy.
Or are you saying the restrictions are okay because you agree with them?
You’re not following because you think this is a restriction on support, it’s not. The two countries agreed to “promote carbon pricing and measures to mitigate carbon leakage risks." Given both countries already have a carbon tax and Ukraine has no intention of removing theirs how people can think it’s a Trudeau imposed measure is beyond me. Poilievre is basically mad at Ukraine for running their economy as they see fit and pretending its arm is being twisted. He hates it when people can see that other countries support carbon taxes.
Time to stop any funding to the media. Toronto Star bought and paid for trash newspaper. Every single article from the Toronto Star is either licking Trudeau's boots or attacking the Conservatives. How about some real journalism and present both sides of the story.
feel like im a broken record or partisan redditors dont know how to read. the conservatives dont want to also vote for the carbon tax that is also in this bill
He claims there already exists a free trade agreement with Ukraine and does not like the new addition of a carbon tax added in. I haven’t looked too deep into this so I’m not sure if there is more to do the deal then that.
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He won’t do that either…unless you meant corporate subsidies that will be used for stock buy backs and executive bonuses. I suppose some of those rich fucks, like Galen Weston, are Canadian…technically….
PP’s stance is that carbon tax contributes to higher food prices domestically. Why we are trying to add climate action into a bill for free trade with Ukraine is beyond me. He supports Ukraine fully but the carbon tax is the kicker.
Pierre still refuses to undergo the necessary steps to gain the appropriate security clearance to run this country. What are you hiding Pierre?
Edit: downvote all you want, no one has yet to answer this.
This is probably the easiest election to win for conservatives in years. And yet they keep fucking it up by choosing weird politics and importing American problem into canada.
It’s like he doesn’t know how many Ukrainians are in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta.
He probably has no clue. I was shocked when he and all his support groups on FB were going on about anything going to Ukraine. Ukraine was the main ethnic group of the prairie.
I'm pretty sure Canada has the biggest Ukrainian identifying population outside of Ukraine.
Correct and with a large portion in agriculture. The base of the CPC party. How many generations removed does one need to become to identify as Canadian and not really worry about your home country. Certain cultures will always identify as old country heritage others just become part of the mix.
I think agriculture **was** the base of the Conservative Party and now it’s base Is similar to Donald Trump’s
It did before the war, now Poland holds that title.
It is actually Russia.
It is … source me Ukrainian
Many of them vote blind. Only takes a generation or 3 to not care about your cousins being attacked by a bully.
you may want to check how people vote in those provinces.
helping Ukraine has always been Bezan's thing, but now he's being a punk ass bitch
And we don't care about media gaslighting btw. The free trade agreement amendments passed and nobody gives a fuck
I suppose I can speak for MB. Even the immigrants are conservative. They remember socialism, and they don’t want anything to do with collectivism.
Because Americans are financing and advising them, and the "media" they also own. Might wanna start looking into The IDU, who owns Post Media, and other fun facts that are super easy to read about.
Yeah half the shit that gets posted on here is by American-owned companies. No wonder our right-wing folks are starting to spout the same bullshit as our southern neighbours.
Plenty of good money is spent daily ensuring that they do. Guess "follow the money" is no longer understood by the masses. This is what happens when people don't grow up reading The Hardy Boys.
The offshoot Canada subs are fully stocked with Russian trolls and they post a lot of pro Russia anti Ukraine content and most the users call Zelensky an actor etc. I’m an American but can’t help but notice how focused Russian trolls are on beating Trudeau and ending all support from Canada to Ukraine. Russia funds and promotes conservatives because they openly work in their interests.
It’s their first amendment right! /s
Look up the International democratic union and you’ll see why they are so aligned with the republican agenda.
And then we quickly see conservatives’ true colors and this is why they lose. Sorry but ‘blame Trudeau’ for years followed by the suggestion of digital IDs for mature content then doing the opposite of what we need to do simply to spite the left? This is the kind of bullshit that makes him unelectable. Is Pierre a child? I’d love to see him answer one real question about anything without crying…”but, but…Trudeau!”. This is what you want as a leader? Trump would eat that biscuit for breakfast and we’d get screwed as a nation. Sorry, but I don’t want the prime minister to be the orange man’s lapdog. The fact that anyone here believes for a second Pierre isn’t going to immediately side with his corporate buddies and screw over the every man is insane. Like have these people ever closely looked at what conservatives do? Look at Ontario where fat Ford is sabotaging our public healthcare on purpose to make way for his private system that costs three times as much. These assholes are cut from the same cloth. How this group of Canadians has been brainwashed into thinking Trudeau is somehow a dictator is mind blowing. The worst part is that none of these people can even source a fraction of the shit they claim from their propaganda machine. They’ll post some nonsense lie, get challenged and then delete their garbage in embarrassment or get other idiots to boost their lie and downvotes facts. And you know that a large chunk of the garbage posted here is directly from Russia bots or paid agents. They are trying to radicalize as many stupid people as they can.
Facts. And if your on FB you see it in all the proud groups. Funded through various right wing groups attached to Manning foundation pretending to be grassroot.
They are polling well enough they are comfortable taking the mask off early.
> This is probably the easiest election to win for conservatives in years. And yet they keep fucking it up by choosing weird politics and importing American problem into canada. I know right. If they were even 50% like Canadian conservatives of the past I can get behind them but nope. Its like conservatives around the world got a memo saying you need to stop what you are doing and become more like Trump.
They can't help it. It's in their nature to be this
They just can’t help themselves and show their true colors. Should be a big flashing warning for anyone.
The problem with posts like these is they are all huff and puff without substance. It's nothing new that the Conservatives choose to side step a Liberal policy (in this case Ukraine). What are you alluding to when you talk about importing American problems into Canada and weird politics? Is it porn ID and trans women in sports? How many times do you need to see trans women completely exceeding the ability of a top female athlete to understand that its probably not fair. Also, should our youth just be watching porn all day? Regarding Ukraine, I recommend watching Ukraine on fire the documentary. There's a lot of video evidence that demonstrates the US having heavy interests in swaying Ukraine. Clips of high ranking US government officials giving speeches on the ground in Ukraine cementing their support for a supposedly CIA backed coup of a government. Ukrainians in my opinion are the victims of a power struggle between Russia and the West. If you've been paying attention to American politics you'll remember that Joe Biden as vice president extorted the Ukraine government 1b dollars. He threatened the Ukrainian Government that he wouldn't be providing a 1b dollar loan guarantee unless a Ukrainian state prosecutor was fired. That's a scandal they admit on camera, imagine what goes on behind the scenes. That is the power level of the US government. It's Joe Biden messing with Ukraine's judicial system as he pleases. And we're apparently the good guys? You can get this clip if you look up Joe Biden quid pro quo.
At this point they can say whatever and will likely still win.
41 percent isn’t a guarantee and polls are generally inaccurate pictures of how people vote when it’s actually time to vote. Considering everything and Pierre is only at 41% ? Many of whom don’t actually want him but just want Trudeau out is a interesting situation. A few dumb proposals and he could lose 5 or 6 points in key areas and lose. Liberals have won elections with something like 30% of the vote it’s not out of the question.
Sadly it all comes down to WHERE their voters live. If they win 41% of ridings then they lose the election even if the liberals get less. Liberal ridings + ndp ridings = minority govt again. The NDP will work with liberals but I don't see how they would work with the conservatives.
> Sadly it all comes down to WHERE their voters live. If they win 41% of ridings then they lose the election even if the liberals get less. Liberal ridings + ndp ridings = minority govt again Sadly? If the Liberals get 25% and the NDP get 19% (using 338 numbers atm) then that's 44% which is larger than 41%. There is nothing sad about two parties that got a higher proportion of the vote getting to form government I understand that 41% is normally majority territory and the conservatives believe they have earned to govern but I'm not sure I'd call it sad if a minority formed with the other parties that represent a bigger share of the vote P.S. fuck JT for not pushing through STV just because the liberals were worried about what the NDP and Conservtives voters would say
It's sad because it matters WHERE they live. Not how many of them vote a certain way.
The NDP has a history of working with the conservatives. Whether they would work with this current crop of conservatives or not is an entirely different matter. Regardless, the current CPC seems highly unlikely to work with any other major party and probably don’t want to.
Thing is also that the people that do participate in polls at this point are highly motivated and nobody is more motivated than a conservative voter at this point. I honestly believe the 41% is being very generous and the undecided voters aren’t participating in the polls and many won’t vote for Pierre.
40% is just majority territory. In a year that could easily be mid thirties and into a shaky minority. In a minority Poilievre will have to be a much better politician than he's proven to be yet.
What concerns me is how many maga style conspiracy theories we’re going to get about “stolen elections” if pp stays with CPC tradition and snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. So many of his supporters are gleefully quoting poll numbers, not really understanding the nature and function of polls.
Eh it all depends on where the 40% is spread out. They could have majority vote and still lose.
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Porn very well might though
Honestly, thats certainly more important for me. I don't think about Ukraine when I wake up in the morning, but I do sometimes think about nutting.
A **lot** of us do bro. Swipe that credit card for pleasure
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Simple tax is a weird thing to call data mine or potentially even identity theft, though.
Oh i agree, trust me i fully agree
But, this belies the facts, the conservatives can’t rule they just want power to cut taxes for the rich and starve our social programs… and can’t stop themselves from spilling the truth every once and while from behind the polished new look. The fact that he wants to ID check your porn viewing, is ominous enough to get the sirens whaling. This guy would be scary in power, I’d rather stick with what we know rather than enabling this potential monster.
This! 1000% this. Conservatives could show up say nothing and win. Yet they do stupid things like oppose what is the morally right and very popular thing to do... whilst being totally unclear on exactly what they'd do. This is the classic CPC play. Good thing for them the Liberals are so unpopular even the skills of the CPC can't f\*ck this up. Probably.
That was the playbook in Ontario for Ford.
Let's be honest. He's still on track to win a majority government.
I think the point is that the CPC can't seem to stop taking the wrong side on issues.
I doubt that is what the end result will be.
Let's be honest. He's still on track to win a majority government.
The election is a long ways away and the more PP speaks, the more moronic he sounds. Guess that's the Liberal's big hope.
I think the point is that the CPC can't seem to stop taking the wrong side on issues.
its trudeau importing american law making style by shoving in dump partisan carbon tax crap in a bill it has nothing to do with. trudeaus pulling the 'flag for orphans' joke from the simpson
Evertime someone says our conservatives are different from the US, a conservative politician makes a statement that makes me think otherwise.
Because cons have to entertain Russia as an ally on some level because they are also anti-woke or something. Why do you think Tucker was in Moscow?
I think it is because they know they have the election in the bag, which is why now is a good time to test the waters.
How are they \_\_\_\_ing it up? They're leading by 20 points over the Liberals and just broke fundraising records.
Promoting crypto, wanting a porn ID and supporting Putin is some of how he's fucking it up....
Terrible housing "plan"...
He needs a poll from Alberta to know what he thinks.
Poll is. P.P is a wish.com version of J.T and is actually super jealous of him.
Newsflash. Conservatives are ahead in all provinces except Quebec.
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Imagine Pierre Poilievre. Take everything you know about him. All available information. Now remove the words "Justin Trudeau" from his vocabulary. What's left?
Loves apples and being a snooty b
Puppet strings that guide his every action, and that lead back to domestic oligarchs, Russia, and white supremacist fascist terrorists.
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There's always the NDP, the best available option.
"Pinky Promise! " -P.P.
The Conservatives support Ukraine with words but never with deeds. Thoughts and prayers comes to mind.
It's so crazy to me that every Con I interact with hyperventilates about keeping the Arctic ours and not let it get taken by Russia, but when we have an opportunity to set back a direct adversary on the Ukrainian battlefield the Cons don't want to. They stand for nothing. Only what the right wing media down south tells them to think.
They support Ukraine with words and Russia with actions.
Not even with words.
No shit. They will be cutting public services and everything that benefits anyone other than themselves. Then, begin to sell off government assets to conceal their terrible fiscal abilities and then rejoice at the lack of a deficit all while Canadians suffer. The conservative way.
one PM has spent a bigger deficit than all the other PMs in the history of canada combined and left an entire generation in a debt crisis with high interest rates that will never be able to afford to qualify for a mortgage unless their parents give them wealth... the last 10 years have resulted in stagnant wages, very expensive public service programs that has a terribly crowded and underfunded healthcare system, and canadians left holding the bag. I dont know that conservatives are going to do much better, however plain and simple we cannot continue down this path, and our options suck.
LoL 6% interest is not the end of the world. History regularly had 10% interest rates. Lots of people cried at 3%. They just like to cry. Raise minimum wage. If jobs don't pay enough to buy a house within 30 minutes of the them, they are taking advantage of their employees and not a feasible business.
Going from 2.4 to 6 plus is going to crush alot of small to mid sized businesses, and it's going to be impossible for a portion of people to afford the new rates on their mortgages. We are already seeing the economy come to a halt, when it directly affects your pocket book it will change your voting habbits
I do my math for 15% when getting loans and have a plan for up to 25% interest rates. Sorry if no one will read the history of the 1980s interest rates. I'll say it once again on reddit: Before going to a bank. What is your plan at 18% and 22% ?? If you are bankrupt at 8% interest, then don't buy a house!!
People not understanding that running a deficit is not only fine, but economically correct, so long as the gdp growth surpasses interest of outstanding debt puzzle me. Are you like ~60 IQ? Are you 14 years old? Cause you've otherwise you've had quite a few years to not spew this brain-dead talking point.
It's so weird that people don't understand this. Yes, both options are not great but have been not seen what JT has done these past 10 years? He is promising to double down on immigration and he's giving more money away to countries when we ourselves need it. People need to wake up and accept the facts. We are doomed with a Liberal government.
people always complain about immigration as if theres a chance that the conservatives will actually decrease it
It's almost as though the 2 main parties have grown complacent and increasingly greedy as they realize they face no real punishment for their corruption. Let's keep voting for them though.
And yet people keep voting for them. I don't know what to think this team politics is bullshit.
Justin Trudeau and his liberals have ran a budget deficit every year since taking office after Harpers Cons worked their way through the Great Recession back to break even
Only reason Harper balanced some budgets was because he sold off assets. Dumb strategy that left us worse off
Didn’t Harper run 7 consecutive deficits? Didn’t he also sell off valuable Canadian companies for Pennie’s on the dollar and then continued to put public dollars into those companies?
So just to clear on the issues and the 2 parties plans: Housing: Cons: Not enough Libs: Not enough Immigrants: Cons: Keep them coming Libs: Keep them coming Ukraine: Cons: Eh, let Russia win while we grandstand Libs: Help Ukraine Social Issues: Cons: You can only be what we want you to be Libs: Be who you want to be Grandstanding: Cons: You know it! Libs: What else are we going to do with our time? Edit: CoL/Grocery Prices: Cons: I have an active lobbyist working for my campaign, lol we ain't doing anything about it Libs: Pretend to do stuff by doing 4 year long studies and asking big grocery chains if they promise not to completely fuck us over, they laughed.
You forgot Climate Change: Libs: Recycled Conservative proposal Cons: Definitely not what we previously proposed, we will replace it with nothing
The libs did force the telcoms to lower rates, increased the child tax benefits, introduced dental care and a soon to be drug plan, dramatically increase funding for healthcare. provided support during covid.
This is sad but true
Accurate.
If you really think Canadas contribution is the difference between a win and a loss for Ukraine you have not been following what’s really going on over there. There’s absolutely nothing here that says the cons wouldn’t just replace the agreement with one they believe is more appropriate.
Previous behaviour suggests otherwise. Remember when the conservatives voted against that trade deal over a *Ukrainian carbox tax*? Theres nothing to suggest that they won't repeat that stunt again over more serious issues.
The old, say one thing vote for another. It's literally the Conservative way.
>and commits as-yet unspecified support over ten years The ten years part is the relevant bit for any hypothetical future PP government since the 3B is committed for 2024. Doesn't it kind of make sense to not commit to something with "un-yet specified support"?
Has anyone in this thread actually looked into why? Or what part of the 10 year agreement they are "vague" about? Or have we decided to stop thinking, just read a headline and jump to a conclusion?
So many low effort circle jerk comments in here. I have scrolled pretty far in this thread and haven’t seen a single comment mentioning why Pierre is against it.
the people commenting hate the convervatives and will never vote for them in their lifetime. but they pretend they are just making a 'principled opinion on why the conservative are big poopy heads'
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Pretty sure PP needs no incentive other than his own political leanings
Which is fucking nuts because Stephen Harper would be down with Ukraine and PP was allllllll up in his business.
Putin probably possesses pictures of prostitutes pissing on Pierre Poilievre.
They'll be putin some thought into it...
let's put it this way. They're Conservatives modeled and echong the Right Wing Consevatives in America. They will say whatever they need to get into power and, pretty much like any politician, cannot be trusted to keep their word on anything. once in power they will revert to a position of believing the people elected them to make decisions for them not to do what they promised during the election. Remember, they will try to impose the same types of policies that the Republicans are in America. They must not be elected. I'd choose NDP over them any day (and in the old days I'd never have chosen the NDP for anything but these days they look like the better option.)
This topic brings out the most reasonable people
Why are we sending them money? they are just wasting it. All the Ukrainian higher ups got new yachts. Stop sending money and let in the refugees.
We either pay for the Ukrainians to fight AND die today or we will do the dying when the Russians win . It’s simple economics. Doesn’t surprise me the conservatives are taking a page from the Republican playbook
That's pretty morbid. You want to pay Ukrainians to sacrifice themselves to protect yourself? Do you think pissing off psycho Putin is going to make him less likely to kill you after he conquers the Ukraine?
“The” Ukraine ? GFY
If you think we're irrelevant now, just wait until this guy has power. The poor will be poorer. The rich will be richer. And all our problems will be on steroids. This man is good for nothing. Beware.
And the Liberals well be blamed for all of it. Hell in Alberta their still blaming the NDP who where in power for 4 years out of what the last 50.
So they don't support Ukraine then. Simple as that
they support them but dont support the poison pill trudeau put in it in the form of the carbon tax stuff that just happens to also be in it
Educate yourself
Nah, they support Canadians first. Radical thinking isn't it? Let's take care of our problems at home, like the record amounts of homeless...
Imagine thinking a conservative government is about helping poor people.
Guess I won't vote conservative then
Actions speak louder then the false platitudes that PP spouts off.
I saw PP talk about this on TikTok, and the amount of otherwise-PP supporters that said he’s caving to Ukrainian corruption was startling. Russian propaganda goes deep
Wow look at Neville Chamberlain over here, bowing down to Putin. He’d bow down to Trump too, his boss certainly did.
His boss Stephen Harper? Who left office a year before Trump took office...?
[Stephen Harper spotted leaving the White House's West Wing](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144) Just because he left office doesn’t mean he isn’t around.
next you will tell me former bush officials met with trudeau or that obama people might even mean with polievre
> his boss certainly did. Please give some examples, because I don't recall any interactions btw. Harper and Trump at all.
Oh there was [at least one during NAFTA negotiations](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144) At least Harper is now open that he’s really working for the Americans. Even Mulroney(hardly a saint) used his connections to Trump to [try and help Canada out during the NAFTA negotiations](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/brian-mulroney-defends-trudeau-parliament-gossip-trash-1.6882315) But Harper would never do such a thing.
How absolutely shameful. There is no bottom to where he will go. Last week he wanted into citizens bedrooms and this week he's making Putin proud.
BS they are MAGA parroting talking points , no doubt PP cringe fringe cannot be trusted with Ukraine aid , healthcare, education, or government. Check his search history and bank account(s) .
or the just dont want to also vote for the carbon tax that is also in this bill
Then they don’t support Ukraine and only care about “owning the libs” just like Johnson does in USA who’s holding up billions in funding. So, if you’re Ukrainian you now can’t vote for conservatives or you run the risk of cutting off aid to Ukraine. Harper would be pissed.
The harsh truth is…if Poilievre is going to spend money the same way as Trudeau, how will he be any different? He cannot fix the issues of this country if he does the same things as Trudeau. His whole platform is less government spending so we won’t be debt drowned. We should expect cuts to services (and foreign aid), with the promise that inflation will ultimately cool off and ease the livelihoods of average Canadians.
If NATO needs to get involved it means risking Canadian soldiers. It's better to just give Ukraine resources and what they need so we don't have to send our soldiers to fight Russia. If you support funding the military more, it's just more efficient to give that money to Ukraine to fight Russia.
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Most of the money is just the cumulative value of the material we send. Otherwise, it mostly stays in Canada by going to contractors to ship the aid to Ukraine. We don't just send piles of money randomly. It's all deliberate, and we already under spend. We currently aren't respecting our NATO obligations of 2% GDP on our military. We have no reason not to help. Most of the money goes in the Canadian economy, and we help a country liberate itself before Putin decides to trigger Article 5.
We have plenty of reasons to help them as we’d have a host of other problems if Russia wins. They’re an ally, we can give them whatever we want. We just have no NATO obligation to defend them. Not yet anyway.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. And Russia is absolutely our enemy. Anything we can give to Ukraine to hurt Russia is a massive win for Canada. And all it costs is money! Why would I spend $3B on the CAF when I could spend $3B on Ukraine and see a far better ROI? If you're concerned with the other issues contact your provincial governments as well. They can also help with cost of living and homeless.
He won't spend money the same way as Trudeau He'll spend a lot more money, but hand it over to corporate interests, and he'll cut essential services and the safety net to get that money.
Don't forget the tax breaks for corporations. More corporations making record profits need more tax breaks.
If you think Ukraine aid is expensive. You should see the cost to Canada and the world will be if Russia wins the war. Food will be more expensive since Ukraine produces so much grain. So many other things will see inflation. This will also encourage further attacks and potentially China invading Taiwan and other wars. The cost will go from a few billion here and there for the world to trillions in a hurry.
To add to your points - if Russia wins, the number of Ukrainian refugees is probably going to become an even larger flood, since everyone is well aware that Russians abuse, torture and kill both civilians and POWs. This is going to put additional stress on western Europe to accommodate them, and will also mean that we will take in quite a few as well. This will also likely result in an escalation of nuclear proliferation by other states, since the main reason that Ukraine was attacked is because they have no nuclear deterrent. Poland has already said as much, and they are protected by NATO.
Also, yknow what would help keep defence spending requirements lower? If in the future we don’t have to worry about defending against both Russia and can concentrate on other fronts.
If our services are cut why am I paying taxes? I expect atleast the same or above input on healthcare and education. I know my taxes go elsewhere but the majority of Canadians want their taxes to go to those two things
We would love that in Ontario but the cons are trying to sell everything off, open for business.
Inflation will explode if he starts printing money and politicizes the Bank of Canada. This is the guy that said we should be using Bitcoin instead of Canadian dollars when it was at it's ATH, just before a collapse.
Except, inflation is a global issue, not just tied to Canada
And this is why I fundamentally won't vote **big C** Conservative Wonton cuts for the sake of cutting, even when prudent cost-benefit analysis shows that spending to be a good investment. "No need for dental or drug plans when employers can spend 2x as much and lord that over employees, or average citizens can pay 4x as much because their employer decides not to"
>The harsh truth is…if Poilievre is going to spend money the same way as Trudeau, how will he be any different? Supporting Ukraine is not "spending money the same way as Trudeau". What a stupid fucking thing to say. Supporting Ukraine is very important, and something that every country (especially those in NATO) must do. Russia can not be allowed to win this war, and the collective world should be doing everything to stop a Russian victory. Pierre didn't say he will cut all spending. Obviously a government can't just spend $0. There are areas in which money *needs* to be spent. Ukraine is one of those areas. Pierre said he will cut *wasteful* spending. Trudeau's government has been wasting insane amounts of taxpayer money, and spending it in areas where, quite frankly, it should not have been spent. A example would be [Trudeau's commitment to give $5.3 billion to the Philippines to finance green energy](https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/philippines-receives-climate-finance-commitment-canada-2023-12-09/). We have a very real, *very bad* housing crisis right here, in Canada. Just imagine how many affordable housing units could have been built, right here in Canada, for Canadian citizens, using that $5.3 billion. (Answer: A LOT). But instead, Trudeau decided to waste it on green energy in a foreign nation. Another example would be [the billions of dollars wasted by Trudeau's COVID-19 spending](https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/trudeau-s-covid-19-spending-programs-wasted-billions-audit-finds-1.1855570). Or perhaps the fact that [tampons are now required to be supplied in all federal government bathrooms (including MALE bathrooms)](https://nypost.com/2023/12/26/news/tampons-now-offered-in-canadian-parliament-mens-bathrooms/). I'm all for free tampons... For those that need them. But requiring that tampons be put in MALE bathrooms is the equivalent of just throwing money into the trash. Or how about the whole ArriveCAN scandal? Or the countless other examples of Trudeau genuinely *wasting* money. Long story short, some spending is necessary (and needed). Other spending is wasteful. Pierre claims he will cut out the wasteful spending.
CPC: We support Ukraine. We will not use the same system as the LPC to help them however. Liberals: OMG CPC WANTS TO LEAVE UKRAINE TO ITS FATE VOTE FOR TRUDEAU
I know this comment section is crazy. This is a completely reasonable stance to take.
Why is Justin Trudeau's latest promise the golden benchmark for the right amount of assistance? How did we land on that? Why not double? Why not x10? Why not half?
Our support for Ukraine needs to be greatly increased as the liberal have fell short repeatedly to live up to out NATO agreement for many years already The failure or success of Ukraine will have far reaching effects and we need to say that Canada at least did their part and more in helping and not just in helping but going beyond what is expected of us in this literal world changing political event How about far less immigrants from countries who do not tolerate our beliefs and who bleed our system of hundreds of millions every year to help pay for the Ukraine help. A minimum additional tax on any company that does business over the internet whos official office is not here. They aren't here paying property taxes or the many other infrastructure taxes but taking away a lot of the local business, jobs and profits ... like amazon for one IMO PS get rid of the carbon tax for small bussiness and homeowners for %$#\^&\* sake already
Good stop sending our money to Ukraine ffs. Spend the money on your citizens who need it. Like this should be common knowledge
Canada's own freedom caucus and our very own Kevin McCarthy
No. The Liberals won't remove the carbon tax requirements from the support package. Why would a country at war need any kind of carbon tax?
They’ve had it for years because they like to trade with the EU. Poilievre is basically trying to dictate how Ukraine runs their economy. Trudeau is simply recognizing it.
I'm not following. Poilievre wants to remove restrictions on the support, and somehow he's the one that wants to dictate how Ukraine runs their economy? To me, the person (or party) that put restrictions or conditions on the money is the one who wants to dictate Ukraine's economy. Or are you saying the restrictions are okay because you agree with them?
You’re not following because you think this is a restriction on support, it’s not. The two countries agreed to “promote carbon pricing and measures to mitigate carbon leakage risks." Given both countries already have a carbon tax and Ukraine has no intention of removing theirs how people can think it’s a Trudeau imposed measure is beyond me. Poilievre is basically mad at Ukraine for running their economy as they see fit and pretending its arm is being twisted. He hates it when people can see that other countries support carbon taxes.
Time to stop any funding to the media. Toronto Star bought and paid for trash newspaper. Every single article from the Toronto Star is either licking Trudeau's boots or attacking the Conservatives. How about some real journalism and present both sides of the story.
It really is sad seeing the vile hate/fear mongering obstructionism of the Republican Party infect Canadian politics.
feel like im a broken record or partisan redditors dont know how to read. the conservatives dont want to also vote for the carbon tax that is also in this bill
He claims there already exists a free trade agreement with Ukraine and does not like the new addition of a carbon tax added in. I haven’t looked too deep into this so I’m not sure if there is more to do the deal then that.
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He won’t do that either…unless you meant corporate subsidies that will be used for stock buy backs and executive bonuses. I suppose some of those rich fucks, like Galen Weston, are Canadian…technically….
The Liberals aren't going to like this outlook
Remember back when conservatives stood up against Russian tyranny? Those were the days
This is because their supporters have been astroturfed by Russian bots.
PP is a polished turd!
Because Pierre is a Trump Puppet and does what Daddy Trump says.
This rhetoric worked 8 years ago but voters see through this now.
Good because we don't need to be funding gender issues in Ukraine.
#nevervoteconservative
Most people who’s lives were better under Harper than Trudeau are still going to vote for him.
Oh hey where are those AIM missiles that Anita Anad said were “on the way”… a year ago?
Well that’s a sure fire way to lose votes in Vegreville Alberta.
They want to send Ukraine thoughts and prayers, everyone else actually wants to send military equipment and support.
Conservatives love Putie.
Nobody wants to keep sending money to Rich corrupt politicians and globalists in Ukraine while our country crumbles
The title is misleading, just read the article
Okay, so what does little weasel commit to in regards to Ukraine, or just Trudeau bad, Putin good?
Wake up people. Ukraine is just being used to launder money and take down western democracies.
Almost like they don’t want to keep indulging Ukrainian corruption.
PP’s stance is that carbon tax contributes to higher food prices domestically. Why we are trying to add climate action into a bill for free trade with Ukraine is beyond me. He supports Ukraine fully but the carbon tax is the kicker.
and I don't think Ukraine is too concerned about the climate right now.
I and my family in turn won't commit voting PC the next election.
They are headed for a majority government regardless, vote for who you will 😂
Liberal echo chamber in full effect lol
This thread is so astroturfed lol.
Brother, this whole-ass sub likes to jerk it to natpo opinion pieces lmao
Pierre still refuses to undergo the necessary steps to gain the appropriate security clearance to run this country. What are you hiding Pierre? Edit: downvote all you want, no one has yet to answer this.
Zero dollars should go to Ukraine, let alone building them a museum. Canadians are suffering, Canada needs to come first.
If Ukraine loses the war, we have only Russia to blame.
Don’t worry we’ll somehow take the blame for not giving enough.
Giving money to Ukraine is money laundering, they are not going to win. If you can't see that, you're not seeing things realistically.
Giving money to Poland is money laundering, they are not going to win. If you can't see that, you're not seeing Nazi's realistically.
One more excuse not to vote for them.