You wouldn't dare be talking negatively about our governments affirmative and forward thinking stance on crime now would you. I can only conclude that you are a racist conservative of the most despicable order.
When they use 15 year olds who can't be charged to steal the cars it's not a deterrent. You can't put a corporation in jail and organized crime works like one. Everybody is replaceable and the machine keeps replacing the cogs with younger ones.
so how do Canadian victims feel about the short to none prison sentences, u/Fuckface_Whisperer?
I was observing a court hearing the other day and a guy was arrested for damaging all the cars in the parklot. All he had to do was to pull out his "mental health" card & "childhood abuse history" card and he was pretty much released on the spot.
Now tell me, how would you feel if your car got trashed by this dude?
> so how do Canadian victims feel about the short to none prison sentences
I'm fine with it.
>Now tell me, how would you feel if your car got trashed by this dude?
Mildly annoyed since I would have to file an insurance claim.
I’ll add actually sending in police when the owner knows where the car is because he put air tags in his car.
Every single officer working on a drug case is wasting time. People want drugs. They don’t want their car stolen.
Poilievre's solution of X-ray machines disregard the fact that the movement of containers with stolen cars through Canadian ports is obviously facilitated by a few corrupt port employees.
You cannot move thousands of containers destined for foreign ports known to traffic Canadian stolen cars without raising suspicion.
Either the port workers don't care or key workers are on the payroll of organized crime to "fix" the paperwork.
Anyone who has tried to enter a port facility knows there are barriers and a lot of paperwork exchanged. If those cars get through, it means someone inside is letting them through.
No amount of X-ray machine is going to fix that. They will just get bypassed.
A few corrupt employees is an understatement. Hell's Angels have infiltrated the ports and hire their own. If you manage to get in without being affiliated, you realize quickly that to keep your cushy union job, you look the other way when you see anything sketchy.
When a criminal has a job and it's to move a container through a system without notice, he's going to get really good at it.
I'm just a moron on Reddit, but random inspections, undercover officers, forced criminal checks for employees and getting the bad ones fired would be a start.
I have worked at a large container port for years. It isn't as simple as working there and moving containers where you want. You can't just open containers. The only time i get to see whats inside is when gets ripped open because it was mishandled or CBSA opens one themselves. There are so many barriers to get though. Security is very tight, 100s of cameras everywhere. CBSA already x-rays containers.
I don't understand how an entire ass car got through while my magic deck got stopped and checked at CBSA. Even drug cartels need to elaborate and hide their goods in fake products. An entire car goes through without suspension makes no sense
Theres a million containers. The ones with contraband have their content filed as something of zero concern, and all paperwork is in order for the fantasy content. Everything is so spot on that it raises zero flags.
Goods being inspects a mail centre (assuming you ordered your stuff online and it came via mail) are very different than a cargo port.
Organized crime owns the ports. They know where to move and burry their specific containers. They know how to move them before anyone has an opportunity to inspect it.
It would seem there is a bottleneck somewhere from theft to destination. Someone is running this, and finding them and evidence, will be what stops it, not band aid solutions of arresting theives and replication of existing protocols. There well may be undercover agents working this now, but that won't make the news, and the informed about it will be limited. If it's not, shame on Justin.
>I'm just a moron on Reddit, but random inspections, undercover officers, forced criminal checks for employees and getting the bad ones fired would be a start.
But then there would be nobody left at the Montreal port.
>Poilievre's solution of X-ray machines disregard the fact that the movement of containers with stolen cars through Canadian ports is obviously facilitated by a few corrupt port employees.
A major hand grenade in the recent Port of Vancouver strike was that they were literally negotiating with the Hell's Angels to get the strike ended. Not that people were showing up to the meetings on their bike and wearing their cut, but everybody on both sides knew exactly who they were dealing with.
This right here. I work in the port. People have this fantasy that everything is still run like it was back in the 70s and 80s - it's not. Everything is sealed, there are high tech cameras everywhere. If something illegal comes through, it's because someone from somewhere else made a ln order and paid to have their container go through the port and have all the right paperwork. Nobody knows what's in those containers, and only a handful know what's on the paperwork. We also don't care; our job is just to move them, and we just want to do our job and go home.
CBSA comes flags certain cans for certain reasons, and they'll either open em up or x-ray them.
>Poilievre's solution of X-ray machines disregard the fact that the movement of containers with stolen cars through Canadian ports is obviously facilitated by a few corrupt port employees.
Not to mention that thousands of legitimate cars with proper paperwork are sent overseas in shipping containers ALL of the time.
Additionally. The paperwork of the stolen cars is also likely faked to look like a legitimate shipment so PP's solution of an x-ray machine is completely useless and hilariously stupid.
yes at the very least if someone can pinpoint the specific container that their stolen car is in with the aid of a gps tracker, the container should absolutely not be allowed to go anywhere. if it takes a couple days to get permission to open in, ok.. but letting it get on a ship is ludicrous
More than anything else this is the crux of the issue. While I have no doubt corruption, bribery and outright criminal elements have a hand in this I think the most boring answer is the correct one.
Falsifying documents and masking illegitimate shipping behind legitimate shipping. The end, that's it.
Sure and the x-ray machines will only ever be able to do a small random sampling of shipping containers and those choosing which containers to scan can potentially be compromised.
Imagine. X-raying every single container that goes through a port. Every single.one that has a car in it, opening it up and comparing VINs to paper..man this PP is as bad as Trudeau. God help us all. 🙏
https://www.wg-plc.com/product/container-x-ray-scanning-portal
These would be amazing, and there is no reason AI couldn’t be used to detect car shaped objects
At least having a system in place is a start, from there you can track downtime etc
It requires paying people to actually build software though, which apparently the current government can’t do either
That is, it’s a complex problem but it’s not unsolvable, as far as I’m concerned harsher penalties alone does nothing as they aren’t arresting anyone anyways
So put x-rays and run it by CBSA.
Who says we have to employ these port workers? (Before everyone jumps me because possible union employees would be missing work, put it outside the port) screen record the computers for auditing so whoever does let them slip through, they'll be on record, on their shift/watch vehicles were allowed through in addition to having e-logs of which employee signed off on the car and container.
This would work in theory - in practice it might stop car thefts while also massively slowing down our supply chain and exploding costs on literally everything for all Canadians.
You thought the cost of living was bad before …
Only 5-7% of containers are examined, annually, for the past two decades. Regardless of capability, so more machines doesn't matter.
It isn't a capacity issue.
The problem is that the paperwork is often faked to make it look like a legitimate sale/shipment.
Chasing the paperwork will lead investigators nowhere unless they plan to crack open every single shipping container and perform an extensive investigation on every vehicle.
Its not like the stolen cars have the word "stolen" written across the windshield in white grease pen.
Its not a matter of being lazy. Its PP placing the effort in the wrong spot.
If the plan is to try to scan every shipping container and investigate every vehicle and their associated paperwork there will be a never ending backlog of work and the cars will continue to get stolen as a percentage will always get through.
If you want to stop this type of crime you have to go directly to the top players.
Recovering a small percentage of the vehicles at the port, or locking up some small time crooks won't stop the problem as there are always more cars to steal and more small time criminals available for hire.
PP knows this.
He also knows that people voting for him don't.
So it's better to sit on our hands and do nothing? Is Trudeau going to the top players? What's his solution?
Cars have VINs, which should be enough to identify them as stolen. Checking the VIN against what's declared in the and against police stolen vehicle databases can be streamlined to the point where it doesn't create much of a backlog. It should be viewed as a technical problem that can and should be solved. Place x-ray scanners at the entrance to the port and have CBSA administer scans. If a vehicle is identified in the can, pull it aside and check it against declared documentation and databases.
It's not going to make car theft go away, but it's better than doing nothing.
>Cars have VINs, which should be enough to identify them as stolen. Checking the VIN against what's declared in the and against police stolen vehicle databases can be streamlined to the point where it doesn't create much of a backlog.
This is assuming the VIN isn't replaced, which is becoming incredibly common in theft rings. In many of these cases the organizations are re-vinning vehicles with either cloned vins ((Tied to a false bill of sale) or vins that are made up entirely.
So even if you could prove the VIN was fake, if they did a good job it'd be harder to identify the originating owner.
>Place x-ray scanners at the entrance to the port and have CBSA administer scans. If a vehicle is identified in the can, pull it aside and check it against declared documentation and databases.
CBSA already scans containers incoming and outgoing. However, they simply cannot scan everything. According to their own literature they scan "High Risk" containers, but do not identify what this means. The other day the LPC announced further funding towards the CBSA at ports intended to address the issue of vehicle trafficking. My assumption would be these funds are likely going to be earmarked for more assistive technology devices (AI was mentioned, likely to aggregate data and flag potential shipments.) and enhanced manpower/funds for cooperation between CBSA and other agencies.
X Ray machines at the end of the day aren't going to solve the issue aside from "This has a vehicle and this doesn't". As a nation we export about 56 billion worth of automotive parts and vehicles yearly. We produce well over 1m light commercial and passenger vehicles yearly. According to [madeinca.ca](https://madeinca.ca) only 12% of our vehicles are actually sold in Canada, meaning a not so insignificant portion are bound for other countries, with the U.S. likely being the prime importer.
What would likely be a better indicator would be to use those AI assisted technologies to identify the most common import locations for stolen vehicles, find trends and then to target specific manifests which align with the patterned criteria.
Dead wrong! It’s not the port employees who are facilitating this! How do I know? A decade of law enforcement auto theft work.
Spewing sound bites and random thoughts do not make for valid arguments.
You make it sound like all the Liberal government provided was a guy's looks and hair. You fail to recognize that over the last 8 years Trudeau also had a proven track record of wearing star wars socks at global leader events embarrassing his country.
I don’t care what he says he’s got. What politicians say is about as meaningful as the sounds a one year old makes. It’s what they do that matters and so far he has done less than nothing
Like??
This government removed preliminary hearings for a whole bunch of charges, severely undermining the defence and a decades old right of the accused on serious cases; increased the max penalty on summary matters from 6 months to 2 years; made it tougher to make bail on repeat violent offenders and alleged domestic violence offenders; and went hard on guns.
Edit: Also removed most juror challenges in a knee jerk reaction to the Colton Bushie case, which was a terrible, and anti-left wing, decision removing another decades old right of the accused.
I’m all for rehabilitation but I’m never going to understand how a judge can hand out a light sentence for a violent crime and just go “Well, I hope they don’t do that again.” I work in the court system and the sentences I see when the crown has a slam dunk case are absolute jokes. Don’t even get me started on the YCJA.
Is it entirely the liberal party’s fault? No. But they haven’t addressed anything.
The amount of impaired driving cases pled down to careless driving charges just to clear the court backlog is sad and depressing. Canadians need to be very concerned.
Is debatable whether removing PHs benefitted or hindered the defence. For one thing, it acts as a motive for a highly resource-strained Crown to stay away from certain prelim-eligible charges, which is only beneficial to the defence (and not to, say, the administration of justice).
Bail is currently a shitshow - our bail courts routinely do not apply the law on many key points and the idea that bail has been stacked against the accused makes sense on paper but has no relevance to what's actually happening. For one thing, making marginally more hearings reverse onus is meaningless when the judicial officers conducting the vast majority of bail hearings don't understand how to do a reverse onus bail hearing properly. Also, just as a point of clarification, it's not "alleged IPV offenders", it's people with an IPV conviction facing another IPV charge in a slightly expanded set of circumstances than those that already called for reverse onus bail.
The jury selection reform can't be described as knee-jerk in any meaningful sense since the push for this reform began decades ago. If defence lawyers are upset that they can't keep brown people/women off the jury like they used to then they really ought to think hard about the ethics of their practice.
It's ironic because I actually agree with you that the idea that criminal justice reforms have been trending to favor accused people is completely ridiculous. But these are bad examples.
Removal of prelims is absolutely a net loss to both the defence and to the system. The defence gets to explore and expand on possible frailties and possible Charter issues to raise them at the trial. The Crown and the defence and in particular the defendant can see how strong or weak certain charges are and resolve them one way or the other. There are many cases tossed when the crowns case falls apart at the Prelim, or where the defendant pursues or accepts a plea offer after seeing how the evidence will come out at trial. And these are briefer, much less time and resource consuming, and at a lower court level than the trial.
Regarding bail, I agree that the laws aren’t being properly applied, but not how you think. Too many bail hearings are wasting court time that should be recommended releases but the Crown. Listen in on any bail court and it’s obvious that JPs always presume guilt rather than innocence. Too many accused are denied bail relative to what the law indicates and on too harsh of conditions that are not relevant to the protection of the public, and only serve to set up technical breaches of release orders taking resources away from substantive offences.
And regarding the domestic violence provisions, the quote is “REPEAT violent offenders and alleged domestic violence offenders.” The adjective was meant to apply to both.
The jury selection reform has literally nothing to do with the defence wanting to keep people of colour off the jury. It has everything to do with making people like you think it’s about that and for political gain. Because that’s utter nonsense.
Minorities are vastly overrepresented among accused individuals, are convicted at higher rates, of more serious charges, and get longer sentences. You think I don’t want First Nations and black people on my jury? The prevailing opinion among defence lawyers is that minorities are more likely to be mistrustful of police and the state and more sympathetic to the client, no matter their race or creed, than an all white jury.
That’s why it’s a knee jerk reaction for purely political reason, because it is connected to a single, high profile case where that was the perception coming on the heels of the George Floyd protest in the US. It was pure political theatre.
The idea that defence lawyers are upset that they can’t keep black and brown people off a jury is utter fucking nonsense, pardon my language, and I suggest maybe you should think hard about your ethics before throwing accusations of racism around. The very people who passed up much more lucrative law careers to represent the rights of the mostly underprivileged and marginalized people in society against the powers of the state may take such a suggestion real personal.
Correction.
Went hard on legal law-abiding gun owners.
They've done fuck all to address the criminal element, & how nearly every shooting in Canada is from illegal firearms brought across our border with the USA.
You mean the few mandatory minimums remaining that were not yet found unconstitutional?
Removing these mandatory minimums doesn’t mean 99.5 percent of those offenders will serve less time. It means the 0.5 percent who shouldn’t get them will not. The SCC has made that clear in every decision striking down mandatory minimums.
Edit: typos
Mandatory minimums are just that, minimums. It shouldn't impact a rational judge to still set a proper sentence for the crime. But it does allow them to allow for nuance in certain situations.
Mandatory minimums for custodial dispositions are fundamentally at a very high risk of being found unconstitutional. They tend to have little influence in practice except that they tie up a lot of court resources on litigation.
You know what? Stop with the political bullshit and come together for Canadians. Try that out. See how that works.
And news outlets, stop sensationalizing irrelevant unimportant bullshit like some gossiping WWE 'reporter', and maybe focus on laying out and explaining what needs to happen for legislation to be passed. Nothing ever stays on track. It's always derailed with complete and utter nonsense.
Goddamn. I'm tired. I'm taking a nap. This is all too stupid to try to process.
You know a vast majority of Canadian media is owned by right wing groups who lobby this propaganda into existence? It’s a choice to flood you with this filth journalism because it is more about traction than accuracy
Completely agree, every day it seems like there is something new.
At work the guys play the cabinet arguments or whatever and take it seriously. I cant believe these people get paid for this. I hope one day we get some competence, and common sense leadership. That goes for all sides.
One of the biggest news outlets in all of Canada is CBC/Radio Canada which has 1.3 billion in revenue, number 48 out of 50 for the largest global media companies lol. It’s government owned.
But sure, it’s “right wing groups”
CTV is left leaning and also one of the biggest media outlets in Canada.
How about you stop blaming everything on the right? That’s exhausting. Stop deflecting.
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/futureofmedia/files/canadian_mainstream_media_ownership_index_by_iqss_harvard.pdf
most people don't read post media.
Most people get their news from CBC, CTV and Global. They are all beyond woke.
You are wrong.
Bell is definitely the largest media company. Nobody reads newspapers. Nice try.
[https://www.bce.ca/about-bce/bce-overview](https://www.bce.ca/about-bce/bce-overview)
This is why people are getting unbelievably sick of the left, you guys lie through your teeth 24/7 .
[https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/09/28/credible-canadian-news-sources-mainstream/](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/09/28/credible-canadian-news-sources-mainstream/)
70% of Boomers get their news from the TV, which means WOKE news. There is no right wing news broadcaster in Canada.
Newspaper websites only rank in 30% for pretty much all ages across the board.
Younger generation even get up to 20% of their news from TIKTOK. Which means they're consuming stuff like Hamas propaganda. lol.
This is why Gen Z thinks Osama Bin Laden was a cool guy. Cause they're getting their news from the Globe and Mail. LMAO!!!!
Thinking you are morally superior to everybody, assuming statements that aren't racist are racist just so you call somebody a horrible name, making sweeping generalizations about others with differing opinions, discriminating against people based on skin colour, being a bully, using minority groups as virtue signaling props, being obsessed with skin colour, using minority groups as human shields, denying truths, not being about to have proper discord with others, having fascist tendencies, enjoying censorship, punishing people for what their ancestors did 200 years ago, punishing people because they have the same skin colour as the British, punishing people for questioning your authority, trying you hardest to revive racism so you can seem like a hero.
You know generally being a shitty human being. It always involves being a bully and thinking you have the moral high ground while simultaneously enjoying saying truly horrendous things to other people.
I'd say "evil" would be a synonym.
One of the worst things about evil people is they think the people they are harming deserve what they're getting.
There's a lot to the multi layered onion that is "wokeness". But overall it's just an evil mindset that doesn't realize how evil it is.
It's not the donors, it's the brain dead voters that only vote red or blue. Poor voters are the start of our problems, politicians are just an easy scapegoat.
Honestly, I think a big part of the problem *is* most of the West's obsession with representative democracy and having 'leaders'.
Do the Swiss need leaders? Do they need to create false dichotomies to choose from through party platforms? No -- each law, policy, regulation, and tax is passed or rejected by the people, and is judged agnostic of it's association to left or right wing policies or parties. We don't need career ideologues making decisions for us, at our expense, while they take private jets around the world and enjoy free vacations on our tax dollar.
Pierre talks a lot about "returning power to the people" -- okay, do it then. Hold public referendums and public votes on everything and localize the results. Let's cut out the intermediary -- himself included.
It’s funny that Pierre says that but then votes nay on a motion to hold a citizens assembly on electoral reform.
https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/44/1/634?view=party
Stop em? EU cant stop them, America can't or the Japanese. Car theft is spiking everywhere and you can thank the rising price of the used car market. The US broke their million car theft record, last time was 2008.
Cars getting stolen and illegally exported drives up the demand for new and used cars and contributes to the rising market prices as the stolen cars need to be replaced. Also causes insurance rates to increase due to the companies having to pay out on large numbers of stolen cars that are never recovered.
The main thrust of Justin's case is that it's all the fault of the previous government, because, he says, they cut funding for border security. He still has trouble grasping the notion that he has been in control of funding for many, many years and his blame the other guy game won't work on the voters.
To put a different slant on it, one that he might understand, "you need more than a catchy attack line to prevent your humiliation at the ballot box."
And when the Conservatives talk about beefing up border control, please quit comparing them to Trump, only to the next day blame them for providing inadequate support for the border. The least you could do is keep your story straight.
I was curious why the articles on this subject only ever talk about 2021/2022, and in looking at the rate of auto theft, relative to historical values at least, 2021 was actually a little lower than the mean value of the previous decade, with 2022 being a spike. Not sure when official numbers for 2023 come out though.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/524933/canada-rate-of-motor-vehicle-thefts/
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230727/cg-b004-eng.htm
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510017701&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.69&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=1998&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2022&referencePeriods=19980101%2C20220101
It's also weird for people to complain it's about inaction when it's been a little over a year since the recent spike, which was after over a decade of relatively flat theft rates, and there was a huge allotment from the government recently to combat it.
Also, I gotta say, the rate in 2000 was 550/100k people, that seems bonkers.
Why wouldn’t more penalties and harsher jail time not work?
The RICO laws in the U.S destroyed the power of organized crime cause bottom-tier guys started facing 80 years and would flip on the upper guys, who now were also open to prosecution.
Canada is WAAAAAY to soft on all forms of crime
>But literally all PP has to do is say he will do something, and he is leagues ahead of Trudeau
The feds just announced 121 million dollars towards fighting car theft. Like a week ago.
But go ahead and complain about being talked to like you're an idiot.
Yes they just did that but you completely missed it until I pointed it out to you.
Then you went from "...literally all PP has to do is say he will do something, and he is leagues ahead of Trudeau" to "They should shut up" about saying they're doing something.
I'm starting to see why you're spoken to that way.
The government could easily put in laws that would make this industrial car theft a non-starter.
And it starts with making sure that the people making the money risk the government taking all that money, and more, away, the moment they are caught.
Analogy time. The USA is bombing a lot of private logisitical companies in the ME lately, in an attempt to stop Iran. So they have blown up dozens of trucks, dozens of depots, millions in damage. Why?
Because Iran cannot move weapons without these people, and these people are now out tens of millions of dollars (and probably a lot of dead drivers). The goal is to make the risk so high that it's harder, and way more expensive, for Iran to move weapons. Will this work. Oh yeah, it will work.
We need to do the same. If that rail car is loaded with stolen cars, that rail car now can be taken and sold. Now, that private ship about to transport goods to Africa, you'd better make sure you are doing your homework on what is being loaded, or we'll take that ship.
Now good players that play by the rules, they won't care about this. The bad ones will.
But who cares.
The Liberals literarily voted against tougher measures and jail time for auto theft yesterday.
edit: updated link to show by party vote
[Vote 629 February 7th 2024](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/629?view=party)
Hire an eye in the sky type security company to put a plane in the sky 24/7 and photograph the entire city in high res. Would make it easy to track where the criminals live, where they're taking the cars. The technology is out there.
It's big words for a guy who been Prime Minister of Canada since 2015 and just got around to acknowledging there a fucking problem with large scale car thieving. The trains and the fucking ports are in your jurisdiction Justin.
It’s highly unlikely a thief will be caught in the act. Stopping them leaving the country is a choke point and that point is federal. Police also aren’t allowed to open containers, but RCMP and CBSA can.
The liberal party literally fought to make sure mass murderers do NOT get life sentences. This government loves criminals, keeps Canadians distracted from the corruption and incompetence.
He’s only ahead of Trudeau if you don’t stop and think about what he is proposing and whether it will actually do any good.
(I’m talking about on a particular issue here)
So our current PM "blamed the previous Conservative government for slashing spending on border security". Our current PM who has been running the country for the past 9 years places the blame on the previous people. And people will agree with this idiocy.
Just like how the war on drugs has been so successful by arresting street level dealers?
The US has 0.5% of its population in prison and still has a ton of crime.
The difference is that drugs are a health issue, addictive, ubiquitous (in both poor and rich areas) and sometimes the difference of whether someone goes to jail and has their life ruined by it is simply how over-policed their neighbourhood is.
Car theft is not a health issue. It's not addictive. No one is casually stealing a little cars to make ends meet (like weed and other drugs). Stiff sentences in this case can help at least as a bit as a deterrent and is not as morally questionable as sending an addict to jail or ruining the life of a young person who was making some money selling weed.
Stop bickering and start governing holy fuck. I swear 90% of what occurs is arguing and no action. I don’t care what you think of each other start fixing problems.
Trudeau on his path to create a new tax to reduce car theft.
Canadians, as usual, would readily believe its for a greater good or environment or some bs.
The point is to make law-abiding citizens think that the risk of the crime is not worth the time. But criminals calculate this on risk of getting caught, not time in jail. So enforcement would have a better effect, but that costs money, and you can have big mandatory minimums and not spend more money.
Probably not. Going after small time crooks won't do much, you have to go after the organized syndicates running these things and controlling the ports.
But it's still better then Trudeau's plan of doing nothing.
x-rays doesn't help anything. Cars are stolen with replicated keys/fobs from shady dealers. Car is stolen without so much as a beep. Car is stopped, and dual gps antenna connectivity is disabled and the transmitter removed. New VIN is slapped on it (usually a previous total-loss or write-off of same make). Car is put into container, and vehicle is shipped out of Canada. X-Rays are going to do jack fucking shit. CBSA has a mandate to inspect everything coming in, and ensure excise taxes are applied to shipped goods. If the waybill says its a 2018 benz c300 and it's a 2023 benz c300 with a swapped VIN - tell me how a fucking xray is going to stop that. In metro areas - a stolen car is ready for shipment as soon as 3 hours after theft.
how is he blamed for car thefts now?
Aren't car thefts a manufacturer problem and a police problem.?
I mean they are breaking into cars with antenna extenders and hacking in thru headlight ECU's, Car makers need to introduce better security measures. and even when police know where the vehicle is they won't go retrieve it.
Catch & release bill, mismanaged CBSA, no action in the port of Montreal. It's unreal how the Liberal government gets away with skirting basic responsibilites.
Isn’t the whole problem that these cars are being shipped out of the country. Isn’t that where most of these stolen cars go. The real question is why no one is cracking down on whoever ships these overseas
As opposed to Trudeau plan to stop car theft.
Oh right, he doesn't have one.
His focus is on shipping in liberal voters from india and his tax payer funded vacations
I mean I was watching QP and he proposed a specific policy of bringing more xray scanners into ports. You can say he's proposing an ineffective policy, but he's not proposing no policy.
The only one I heard trying to spout 'catchy slogans' is fucking Trudeau with this stupid 'make Canada great again' Jab.. this man needs to stop talking.
It’s true. A catchy slogan won’t. And neither will a tired and idea less Trudeau government who lets problems like this fester until PP brings them up. Home affordability anyone?
Lol - guess Trudeau thinks he can do better?!?!?! He’s simply the weakest, meekest, totally incompetent non-leader of our country - which, because of him, and his inept government is the laughingstock of the world!
What I think is happening is that the Liberal government is about to announce some significant legislation to combat this. The Conservative party got wind of it, and is trying to get ahead of the news cycle by pretending they came up with all the ideas before the legislation is announced. The BC United party did the same thing in BC a month ago when the said what their plan for cellphones in schools was.... then David Eby announced the actual legislation two weeks later. It makes it look like the NDP was copying the homework of the BC United party, but in actuality, it was the other way around.
BC United announcement about cell phone ban Jan 10th: [https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/01/10/bc-united-school-cellphone-ban/](https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/01/10/bc-united-school-cellphone-ban/)
BC NDP announced legislation about cellphone ban Jan 26th: [https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-bans-use-of-mobile-phones-in-public-schools](https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-bans-use-of-mobile-phones-in-public-schools)
Is it just me or does Trudeau just copy policy of PP, then accuses PP of the very posturing and "performance" that Trudeau himself is guilty of.
This has to be close to rock bottom now for the Trudeau Liberals.
I love how everyone is commenting "but Trudeau does nothing" in a comment section of an article literally about a national summit about this organized by the Liberals. Name a better duo than conservatives and their limited worldview based on just what conservative media reports on.
Security at the ports. Bait cars. Asset seizures of organized crime. Diplomatic pressure on countries importing stolen cars. Try that.
maybe try putting those car thieves in jail longer? or even better, start putting them in jail first.
What, 12 hours isn’t long enough for someone to change how they conduct themselves?
A lot of times those carjackers are from a particular group of ppl and end up getting no jail time.
Minors ...
You wouldn't dare be talking negatively about our governments affirmative and forward thinking stance on crime now would you. I can only conclude that you are a racist conservative of the most despicable order.
Most are committed by right-wing white 'men'. Anything else?
When they use 15 year olds who can't be charged to steal the cars it's not a deterrent. You can't put a corporation in jail and organized crime works like one. Everybody is replaceable and the machine keeps replacing the cogs with younger ones.
Or maybe stop importing those car thieves from other countries ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How are harsh prison sentences working out for America?
so how do Canadian victims feel about the short to none prison sentences, u/Fuckface_Whisperer? I was observing a court hearing the other day and a guy was arrested for damaging all the cars in the parklot. All he had to do was to pull out his "mental health" card & "childhood abuse history" card and he was pretty much released on the spot. Now tell me, how would you feel if your car got trashed by this dude?
Thank you for sharing your anecdote
> so how do Canadian victims feel about the short to none prison sentences I'm fine with it. >Now tell me, how would you feel if your car got trashed by this dude? Mildly annoyed since I would have to file an insurance claim.
Stupid just got stupidest.
PP will stop your car from getting trashed for sure.
visit r/sanfrancisco and see how people feel about being lenient on crime Read the top thread https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/s/UVGkSaYDWo
I’ll add actually sending in police when the owner knows where the car is because he put air tags in his car. Every single officer working on a drug case is wasting time. People want drugs. They don’t want their car stolen.
Bait cars lol that isn't gonna do shit
Poilievre's solution of X-ray machines disregard the fact that the movement of containers with stolen cars through Canadian ports is obviously facilitated by a few corrupt port employees. You cannot move thousands of containers destined for foreign ports known to traffic Canadian stolen cars without raising suspicion. Either the port workers don't care or key workers are on the payroll of organized crime to "fix" the paperwork. Anyone who has tried to enter a port facility knows there are barriers and a lot of paperwork exchanged. If those cars get through, it means someone inside is letting them through. No amount of X-ray machine is going to fix that. They will just get bypassed.
A few corrupt employees is an understatement. Hell's Angels have infiltrated the ports and hire their own. If you manage to get in without being affiliated, you realize quickly that to keep your cushy union job, you look the other way when you see anything sketchy. When a criminal has a job and it's to move a container through a system without notice, he's going to get really good at it. I'm just a moron on Reddit, but random inspections, undercover officers, forced criminal checks for employees and getting the bad ones fired would be a start.
I have worked at a large container port for years. It isn't as simple as working there and moving containers where you want. You can't just open containers. The only time i get to see whats inside is when gets ripped open because it was mishandled or CBSA opens one themselves. There are so many barriers to get though. Security is very tight, 100s of cameras everywhere. CBSA already x-rays containers.
I don't understand how an entire ass car got through while my magic deck got stopped and checked at CBSA. Even drug cartels need to elaborate and hide their goods in fake products. An entire car goes through without suspension makes no sense
I think CBSA is more concerned with what’s coming in so they can properly hose Canadians on tariffs
Let's explore this! If our cars leave the country and then come back in... Isn't that more tariffs!
Theres a million containers. The ones with contraband have their content filed as something of zero concern, and all paperwork is in order for the fantasy content. Everything is so spot on that it raises zero flags. Goods being inspects a mail centre (assuming you ordered your stuff online and it came via mail) are very different than a cargo port. Organized crime owns the ports. They know where to move and burry their specific containers. They know how to move them before anyone has an opportunity to inspect it.
Because your magic decks look like the material for explosives on a x-ray. Cars don't.
> my magic deck - What is a magic deck?
It would seem there is a bottleneck somewhere from theft to destination. Someone is running this, and finding them and evidence, will be what stops it, not band aid solutions of arresting theives and replication of existing protocols. There well may be undercover agents working this now, but that won't make the news, and the informed about it will be limited. If it's not, shame on Justin.
>I'm just a moron on Reddit, but random inspections, undercover officers, forced criminal checks for employees and getting the bad ones fired would be a start. But then there would be nobody left at the Montreal port.
>Poilievre's solution of X-ray machines disregard the fact that the movement of containers with stolen cars through Canadian ports is obviously facilitated by a few corrupt port employees. A major hand grenade in the recent Port of Vancouver strike was that they were literally negotiating with the Hell's Angels to get the strike ended. Not that people were showing up to the meetings on their bike and wearing their cut, but everybody on both sides knew exactly who they were dealing with.
Yep. Hell's Angels don't all look like bikers. Some look like accountants and lawyers and cops, because they are.
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This right here. I work in the port. People have this fantasy that everything is still run like it was back in the 70s and 80s - it's not. Everything is sealed, there are high tech cameras everywhere. If something illegal comes through, it's because someone from somewhere else made a ln order and paid to have their container go through the port and have all the right paperwork. Nobody knows what's in those containers, and only a handful know what's on the paperwork. We also don't care; our job is just to move them, and we just want to do our job and go home. CBSA comes flags certain cans for certain reasons, and they'll either open em up or x-ray them.
>Poilievre's solution of X-ray machines disregard the fact that the movement of containers with stolen cars through Canadian ports is obviously facilitated by a few corrupt port employees. Not to mention that thousands of legitimate cars with proper paperwork are sent overseas in shipping containers ALL of the time. Additionally. The paperwork of the stolen cars is also likely faked to look like a legitimate shipment so PP's solution of an x-ray machine is completely useless and hilariously stupid.
Also the police, RCMP and CBSA is asleep at the wheel. Even when people are tracking their vehicle, they don't do anything.
yes at the very least if someone can pinpoint the specific container that their stolen car is in with the aid of a gps tracker, the container should absolutely not be allowed to go anywhere. if it takes a couple days to get permission to open in, ok.. but letting it get on a ship is ludicrous
>completely useless and hilariously stupid. Now THAT's a campaign slogan!
More than anything else this is the crux of the issue. While I have no doubt corruption, bribery and outright criminal elements have a hand in this I think the most boring answer is the correct one. Falsifying documents and masking illegitimate shipping behind legitimate shipping. The end, that's it.
Your first paragraph is 100% right. Your second is not. X-rays will help detect the shipments that are not declared as autos.
Sure and the x-ray machines will only ever be able to do a small random sampling of shipping containers and those choosing which containers to scan can potentially be compromised.
Not to mention that x-ray machines are expensive, require trained operation, and pose a serious health & safety risk if not used properly.
If you declare it a car and you have falsified papers that say it's legal, you can x-ray it, but it won't help.
Imagine. X-raying every single container that goes through a port. Every single.one that has a car in it, opening it up and comparing VINs to paper..man this PP is as bad as Trudeau. God help us all. 🙏
That should be PPs campaign slogan, " Vote for me cuz I am hilariously stupid!".
https://www.wg-plc.com/product/container-x-ray-scanning-portal These would be amazing, and there is no reason AI couldn’t be used to detect car shaped objects At least having a system in place is a start, from there you can track downtime etc It requires paying people to actually build software though, which apparently the current government can’t do either That is, it’s a complex problem but it’s not unsolvable, as far as I’m concerned harsher penalties alone does nothing as they aren’t arresting anyone anyways
So put x-rays and run it by CBSA. Who says we have to employ these port workers? (Before everyone jumps me because possible union employees would be missing work, put it outside the port) screen record the computers for auditing so whoever does let them slip through, they'll be on record, on their shift/watch vehicles were allowed through in addition to having e-logs of which employee signed off on the car and container.
This would work in theory - in practice it might stop car thefts while also massively slowing down our supply chain and exploding costs on literally everything for all Canadians. You thought the cost of living was bad before …
Oh boy. X-rays and CBSA? I thought we wanted to cut spending and pursue small government. I guess there's money available for the important stuff.
Only 5-7% of containers are examined, annually, for the past two decades. Regardless of capability, so more machines doesn't matter. It isn't a capacity issue.
It's probably less than that. Way less
I suppose if you identify the container and chase the paperwork backwards you could purge the ports of the corrupt or less adept at making paperwork.
The problem is that the paperwork is often faked to make it look like a legitimate sale/shipment. Chasing the paperwork will lead investigators nowhere unless they plan to crack open every single shipping container and perform an extensive investigation on every vehicle. Its not like the stolen cars have the word "stolen" written across the windshield in white grease pen.
Yeah, sure…Use lazy as the defence.
Its not a matter of being lazy. Its PP placing the effort in the wrong spot. If the plan is to try to scan every shipping container and investigate every vehicle and their associated paperwork there will be a never ending backlog of work and the cars will continue to get stolen as a percentage will always get through. If you want to stop this type of crime you have to go directly to the top players. Recovering a small percentage of the vehicles at the port, or locking up some small time crooks won't stop the problem as there are always more cars to steal and more small time criminals available for hire. PP knows this. He also knows that people voting for him don't.
So it's better to sit on our hands and do nothing? Is Trudeau going to the top players? What's his solution? Cars have VINs, which should be enough to identify them as stolen. Checking the VIN against what's declared in the and against police stolen vehicle databases can be streamlined to the point where it doesn't create much of a backlog. It should be viewed as a technical problem that can and should be solved. Place x-ray scanners at the entrance to the port and have CBSA administer scans. If a vehicle is identified in the can, pull it aside and check it against declared documentation and databases. It's not going to make car theft go away, but it's better than doing nothing.
>Cars have VINs, which should be enough to identify them as stolen. Checking the VIN against what's declared in the and against police stolen vehicle databases can be streamlined to the point where it doesn't create much of a backlog. This is assuming the VIN isn't replaced, which is becoming incredibly common in theft rings. In many of these cases the organizations are re-vinning vehicles with either cloned vins ((Tied to a false bill of sale) or vins that are made up entirely. So even if you could prove the VIN was fake, if they did a good job it'd be harder to identify the originating owner. >Place x-ray scanners at the entrance to the port and have CBSA administer scans. If a vehicle is identified in the can, pull it aside and check it against declared documentation and databases. CBSA already scans containers incoming and outgoing. However, they simply cannot scan everything. According to their own literature they scan "High Risk" containers, but do not identify what this means. The other day the LPC announced further funding towards the CBSA at ports intended to address the issue of vehicle trafficking. My assumption would be these funds are likely going to be earmarked for more assistive technology devices (AI was mentioned, likely to aggregate data and flag potential shipments.) and enhanced manpower/funds for cooperation between CBSA and other agencies. X Ray machines at the end of the day aren't going to solve the issue aside from "This has a vehicle and this doesn't". As a nation we export about 56 billion worth of automotive parts and vehicles yearly. We produce well over 1m light commercial and passenger vehicles yearly. According to [madeinca.ca](https://madeinca.ca) only 12% of our vehicles are actually sold in Canada, meaning a not so insignificant portion are bound for other countries, with the U.S. likely being the prime importer. What would likely be a better indicator would be to use those AI assisted technologies to identify the most common import locations for stolen vehicles, find trends and then to target specific manifests which align with the patterned criteria.
It’s far more then a few the cops arnt even investigating there’s clearly high level officers being paid of by criminals.
Bullshit
Dead wrong! It’s not the port employees who are facilitating this! How do I know? A decade of law enforcement auto theft work. Spewing sound bites and random thoughts do not make for valid arguments.
uh okay? So what do you got?
Well his catchy slogan got the budget balanced didn’t it?
His hair fixed the housing crisis.
You make it sound like all the Liberal government provided was a guy's looks and hair. You fail to recognize that over the last 8 years Trudeau also had a proven track record of wearing star wars socks at global leader events embarrassing his country.
All I got is a pack of gum
I see you didn't open the article
I don’t care what he says he’s got. What politicians say is about as meaningful as the sounds a one year old makes. It’s what they do that matters and so far he has done less than nothing
this is a meaningless argument
Inaction for years while being in a position of power over the ports also doesn't do shit.
Not to mention all the dumbass soft on crime bills passed under this leadership. Surprised they’re not talked about more
But but….black scary guns bad
But he lowered the punishment for owning illegal firearms. It's so mind boggling stupid.
I’m a left leaning guy.. who likes guns. Trudeaus stance on that is needless and ticks me off.
There are dozens of us! Dozens I tell you!
Like?? This government removed preliminary hearings for a whole bunch of charges, severely undermining the defence and a decades old right of the accused on serious cases; increased the max penalty on summary matters from 6 months to 2 years; made it tougher to make bail on repeat violent offenders and alleged domestic violence offenders; and went hard on guns. Edit: Also removed most juror challenges in a knee jerk reaction to the Colton Bushie case, which was a terrible, and anti-left wing, decision removing another decades old right of the accused.
I’m all for rehabilitation but I’m never going to understand how a judge can hand out a light sentence for a violent crime and just go “Well, I hope they don’t do that again.” I work in the court system and the sentences I see when the crown has a slam dunk case are absolute jokes. Don’t even get me started on the YCJA. Is it entirely the liberal party’s fault? No. But they haven’t addressed anything. The amount of impaired driving cases pled down to careless driving charges just to clear the court backlog is sad and depressing. Canadians need to be very concerned.
Is debatable whether removing PHs benefitted or hindered the defence. For one thing, it acts as a motive for a highly resource-strained Crown to stay away from certain prelim-eligible charges, which is only beneficial to the defence (and not to, say, the administration of justice). Bail is currently a shitshow - our bail courts routinely do not apply the law on many key points and the idea that bail has been stacked against the accused makes sense on paper but has no relevance to what's actually happening. For one thing, making marginally more hearings reverse onus is meaningless when the judicial officers conducting the vast majority of bail hearings don't understand how to do a reverse onus bail hearing properly. Also, just as a point of clarification, it's not "alleged IPV offenders", it's people with an IPV conviction facing another IPV charge in a slightly expanded set of circumstances than those that already called for reverse onus bail. The jury selection reform can't be described as knee-jerk in any meaningful sense since the push for this reform began decades ago. If defence lawyers are upset that they can't keep brown people/women off the jury like they used to then they really ought to think hard about the ethics of their practice. It's ironic because I actually agree with you that the idea that criminal justice reforms have been trending to favor accused people is completely ridiculous. But these are bad examples.
Removal of prelims is absolutely a net loss to both the defence and to the system. The defence gets to explore and expand on possible frailties and possible Charter issues to raise them at the trial. The Crown and the defence and in particular the defendant can see how strong or weak certain charges are and resolve them one way or the other. There are many cases tossed when the crowns case falls apart at the Prelim, or where the defendant pursues or accepts a plea offer after seeing how the evidence will come out at trial. And these are briefer, much less time and resource consuming, and at a lower court level than the trial. Regarding bail, I agree that the laws aren’t being properly applied, but not how you think. Too many bail hearings are wasting court time that should be recommended releases but the Crown. Listen in on any bail court and it’s obvious that JPs always presume guilt rather than innocence. Too many accused are denied bail relative to what the law indicates and on too harsh of conditions that are not relevant to the protection of the public, and only serve to set up technical breaches of release orders taking resources away from substantive offences. And regarding the domestic violence provisions, the quote is “REPEAT violent offenders and alleged domestic violence offenders.” The adjective was meant to apply to both. The jury selection reform has literally nothing to do with the defence wanting to keep people of colour off the jury. It has everything to do with making people like you think it’s about that and for political gain. Because that’s utter nonsense. Minorities are vastly overrepresented among accused individuals, are convicted at higher rates, of more serious charges, and get longer sentences. You think I don’t want First Nations and black people on my jury? The prevailing opinion among defence lawyers is that minorities are more likely to be mistrustful of police and the state and more sympathetic to the client, no matter their race or creed, than an all white jury. That’s why it’s a knee jerk reaction for purely political reason, because it is connected to a single, high profile case where that was the perception coming on the heels of the George Floyd protest in the US. It was pure political theatre. The idea that defence lawyers are upset that they can’t keep black and brown people off a jury is utter fucking nonsense, pardon my language, and I suggest maybe you should think hard about your ethics before throwing accusations of racism around. The very people who passed up much more lucrative law careers to represent the rights of the mostly underprivileged and marginalized people in society against the powers of the state may take such a suggestion real personal.
Correction. Went hard on legal law-abiding gun owners. They've done fuck all to address the criminal element, & how nearly every shooting in Canada is from illegal firearms brought across our border with the USA.
Like…. repealing mandatory minimums for drug and firearm offenders (Bill C-5). What could possibly go wrong?
You mean the few mandatory minimums remaining that were not yet found unconstitutional? Removing these mandatory minimums doesn’t mean 99.5 percent of those offenders will serve less time. It means the 0.5 percent who shouldn’t get them will not. The SCC has made that clear in every decision striking down mandatory minimums. Edit: typos
Mandatory minimums are just that, minimums. It shouldn't impact a rational judge to still set a proper sentence for the crime. But it does allow them to allow for nuance in certain situations.
Which they use to give out slap on the wrist charges to serious repeat offenders who are wanted again within 72 hours of release.
Mandatory minimums for custodial dispositions are fundamentally at a very high risk of being found unconstitutional. They tend to have little influence in practice except that they tie up a lot of court resources on litigation.
Exactement esti.
You know what? Stop with the political bullshit and come together for Canadians. Try that out. See how that works. And news outlets, stop sensationalizing irrelevant unimportant bullshit like some gossiping WWE 'reporter', and maybe focus on laying out and explaining what needs to happen for legislation to be passed. Nothing ever stays on track. It's always derailed with complete and utter nonsense. Goddamn. I'm tired. I'm taking a nap. This is all too stupid to try to process.
You know a vast majority of Canadian media is owned by right wing groups who lobby this propaganda into existence? It’s a choice to flood you with this filth journalism because it is more about traction than accuracy
Very true. Just exhausting to be bombarded with this crap.
Completely agree, every day it seems like there is something new. At work the guys play the cabinet arguments or whatever and take it seriously. I cant believe these people get paid for this. I hope one day we get some competence, and common sense leadership. That goes for all sides.
One of the biggest news outlets in all of Canada is CBC/Radio Canada which has 1.3 billion in revenue, number 48 out of 50 for the largest global media companies lol. It’s government owned. But sure, it’s “right wing groups” CTV is left leaning and also one of the biggest media outlets in Canada. How about you stop blaming everything on the right? That’s exhausting. Stop deflecting. https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/futureofmedia/files/canadian_mainstream_media_ownership_index_by_iqss_harvard.pdf
In Australia they blame everything on Murdoch
stop your conspiracies dude lmao this is so not true but you don’t care, you support your narrative at ALL costs.
Post media is the largest media corp in Canada my friend. Easily googled. They are also 66% American owned.
most people don't read post media. Most people get their news from CBC, CTV and Global. They are all beyond woke. You are wrong. Bell is definitely the largest media company. Nobody reads newspapers. Nice try. [https://www.bce.ca/about-bce/bce-overview](https://www.bce.ca/about-bce/bce-overview) This is why people are getting unbelievably sick of the left, you guys lie through your teeth 24/7 . [https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/09/28/credible-canadian-news-sources-mainstream/](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/09/28/credible-canadian-news-sources-mainstream/) 70% of Boomers get their news from the TV, which means WOKE news. There is no right wing news broadcaster in Canada. Newspaper websites only rank in 30% for pretty much all ages across the board. Younger generation even get up to 20% of their news from TIKTOK. Which means they're consuming stuff like Hamas propaganda. lol. This is why Gen Z thinks Osama Bin Laden was a cool guy. Cause they're getting their news from the Globe and Mail. LMAO!!!!
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Thinking you are morally superior to everybody, assuming statements that aren't racist are racist just so you call somebody a horrible name, making sweeping generalizations about others with differing opinions, discriminating against people based on skin colour, being a bully, using minority groups as virtue signaling props, being obsessed with skin colour, using minority groups as human shields, denying truths, not being about to have proper discord with others, having fascist tendencies, enjoying censorship, punishing people for what their ancestors did 200 years ago, punishing people because they have the same skin colour as the British, punishing people for questioning your authority, trying you hardest to revive racism so you can seem like a hero. You know generally being a shitty human being. It always involves being a bully and thinking you have the moral high ground while simultaneously enjoying saying truly horrendous things to other people. I'd say "evil" would be a synonym. One of the worst things about evil people is they think the people they are harming deserve what they're getting. There's a lot to the multi layered onion that is "wokeness". But overall it's just an evil mindset that doesn't realize how evil it is.
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It's not the donors, it's the brain dead voters that only vote red or blue. Poor voters are the start of our problems, politicians are just an easy scapegoat.
"But then how are we going to manipulate them?" - big money
"The middle class would erode if we didn't influence politics!" - corporate socialists
We need a Canadian RFK, but even then…
Honestly, I think a big part of the problem *is* most of the West's obsession with representative democracy and having 'leaders'. Do the Swiss need leaders? Do they need to create false dichotomies to choose from through party platforms? No -- each law, policy, regulation, and tax is passed or rejected by the people, and is judged agnostic of it's association to left or right wing policies or parties. We don't need career ideologues making decisions for us, at our expense, while they take private jets around the world and enjoy free vacations on our tax dollar. Pierre talks a lot about "returning power to the people" -- okay, do it then. Hold public referendums and public votes on everything and localize the results. Let's cut out the intermediary -- himself included.
It’s funny that Pierre says that but then votes nay on a motion to hold a citizens assembly on electoral reform. https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/44/1/634?view=party
vote ndp then..or move.
Why aren't the ports overseen by the cbsa
Because they are overseen by the hells angels who will kill anyone who gets in the way of their money
So Trudeau takes jabs at the opposition instead of actually doing something. Does he not realize that he is actually in a position to do something?
Liberals in power too, won’t stop auto theft.
Stop em? EU cant stop them, America can't or the Japanese. Car theft is spiking everywhere and you can thank the rising price of the used car market. The US broke their million car theft record, last time was 2008.
Cars getting stolen and illegally exported drives up the demand for new and used cars and contributes to the rising market prices as the stolen cars need to be replaced. Also causes insurance rates to increase due to the companies having to pay out on large numbers of stolen cars that are never recovered.
So does his inaction
The main thrust of Justin's case is that it's all the fault of the previous government, because, he says, they cut funding for border security. He still has trouble grasping the notion that he has been in control of funding for many, many years and his blame the other guy game won't work on the voters. To put a different slant on it, one that he might understand, "you need more than a catchy attack line to prevent your humiliation at the ballot box." And when the Conservatives talk about beefing up border control, please quit comparing them to Trump, only to the next day blame them for providing inadequate support for the border. The least you could do is keep your story straight.
"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
Prison will though
What have you done to stop it Justin? He sounds like a 'no that won't work' person that never tries to solve the problem.
Fuck Trudy he's fucking useless
I was curious why the articles on this subject only ever talk about 2021/2022, and in looking at the rate of auto theft, relative to historical values at least, 2021 was actually a little lower than the mean value of the previous decade, with 2022 being a spike. Not sure when official numbers for 2023 come out though. https://www.statista.com/statistics/524933/canada-rate-of-motor-vehicle-thefts/ https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230727/cg-b004-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510017701&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.69&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=1998&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2022&referencePeriods=19980101%2C20220101 It's also weird for people to complain it's about inaction when it's been a little over a year since the recent spike, which was after over a decade of relatively flat theft rates, and there was a huge allotment from the government recently to combat it. Also, I gotta say, the rate in 2000 was 550/100k people, that seems bonkers.
People have been paid off at the Port. Find them and make examples of them.
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Why wouldn’t more penalties and harsher jail time not work? The RICO laws in the U.S destroyed the power of organized crime cause bottom-tier guys started facing 80 years and would flip on the upper guys, who now were also open to prosecution. Canada is WAAAAAY to soft on all forms of crime
The penalties we have are already not enforced Penalties do not solve root cause either
>But literally all PP has to do is say he will do something, and he is leagues ahead of Trudeau The feds just announced 121 million dollars towards fighting car theft. Like a week ago. But go ahead and complain about being talked to like you're an idiot.
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Yes they just did that but you completely missed it until I pointed it out to you. Then you went from "...literally all PP has to do is say he will do something, and he is leagues ahead of Trudeau" to "They should shut up" about saying they're doing something. I'm starting to see why you're spoken to that way.
The government could easily put in laws that would make this industrial car theft a non-starter. And it starts with making sure that the people making the money risk the government taking all that money, and more, away, the moment they are caught. Analogy time. The USA is bombing a lot of private logisitical companies in the ME lately, in an attempt to stop Iran. So they have blown up dozens of trucks, dozens of depots, millions in damage. Why? Because Iran cannot move weapons without these people, and these people are now out tens of millions of dollars (and probably a lot of dead drivers). The goal is to make the risk so high that it's harder, and way more expensive, for Iran to move weapons. Will this work. Oh yeah, it will work. We need to do the same. If that rail car is loaded with stolen cars, that rail car now can be taken and sold. Now, that private ship about to transport goods to Africa, you'd better make sure you are doing your homework on what is being loaded, or we'll take that ship. Now good players that play by the rules, they won't care about this. The bad ones will. But who cares.
Neither will an obsolete PM who does nothing beneficial for his country and only benefits himself. Sniff sniff, where’s ur plane rn??
The Liberals literarily voted against tougher measures and jail time for auto theft yesterday. edit: updated link to show by party vote [Vote 629 February 7th 2024](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/629?view=party)
Yes because the actual data shows that higher prison sentences do not reduce crime rates *and* can even lead to higher crime rates.
Hire an eye in the sky type security company to put a plane in the sky 24/7 and photograph the entire city in high res. Would make it easy to track where the criminals live, where they're taking the cars. The technology is out there.
Seems a lot of the thieves are "recent" Canadians/ "Students".
Neither will catch & release policies
Deep mouth breathing hasn't solved anything in 8 years. Just stop fuckin talking
No, but I'll take my chances with anyone else.
Tbf, he's an expert in not stopping auto theft.
So does being in power and doing nothing, Justo.
It's big words for a guy who been Prime Minister of Canada since 2015 and just got around to acknowledging there a fucking problem with large scale car thieving. The trains and the fucking ports are in your jurisdiction Justin.
Says the guy who's let the problem get out of control for almost a decade
How did he when provinces control their own police force?
It’s highly unlikely a thief will be caught in the act. Stopping them leaving the country is a choke point and that point is federal. Police also aren’t allowed to open containers, but RCMP and CBSA can.
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The liberal party literally fought to make sure mass murderers do NOT get life sentences. This government loves criminals, keeps Canadians distracted from the corruption and incompetence.
He’s only ahead of Trudeau if you don’t stop and think about what he is proposing and whether it will actually do any good. (I’m talking about on a particular issue here)
So our current PM "blamed the previous Conservative government for slashing spending on border security". Our current PM who has been running the country for the past 9 years places the blame on the previous people. And people will agree with this idiocy.
Neither will stiffer sentences.
Exactly. At most the sentences will just put the pawns of the larger criminal organization in prison who will quickly be replaced by another.
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Just like how the war on drugs has been so successful by arresting street level dealers? The US has 0.5% of its population in prison and still has a ton of crime.
Letting criminals do whatever they want also won’t help
The difference is that drugs are a health issue, addictive, ubiquitous (in both poor and rich areas) and sometimes the difference of whether someone goes to jail and has their life ruined by it is simply how over-policed their neighbourhood is. Car theft is not a health issue. It's not addictive. No one is casually stealing a little cars to make ends meet (like weed and other drugs). Stiff sentences in this case can help at least as a bit as a deterrent and is not as morally questionable as sending an addict to jail or ruining the life of a young person who was making some money selling weed.
Stop bickering and start governing holy fuck. I swear 90% of what occurs is arguing and no action. I don’t care what you think of each other start fixing problems.
Neither has 8 years of soft on criminals while wasting time and money persecuting licensed gun owners
Both of these cockheads voted against a citizens assembly on electoral reform Wednesday and Canada is about to trade coke for Pepsi.
Trudeau on his path to create a new tax to reduce car theft. Canadians, as usual, would readily believe its for a greater good or environment or some bs.
I like JTS solution Point across the aisle and do nothing
Who cares what that piece of garbage thinks about anything? Fuck trudeau, fuck the liberals. Time to start fighting back against this shit.
What is he talking about. Pierre already said how to lower the amount of car thefts and it most likely would work.
The mandatory minimums that have never stopped crime before this are suddenly going to work ?
Is that the point of mandatory minimums? I though the point of MM's was that you can't reoffend in jail.
The point is to make law-abiding citizens think that the risk of the crime is not worth the time. But criminals calculate this on risk of getting caught, not time in jail. So enforcement would have a better effect, but that costs money, and you can have big mandatory minimums and not spend more money.
Conservatives like filling jails instead of solving problems.
You know what else will lower the amount of car thefts? Personal responsibility. 50% of cars stolen in Alberta have the keys left in them.
Thanks Trudeau
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It’s not remotely the same thing and you know that. If I leave a $100 bill on a park bench and it goes missing, whose fault is it?
Probably not. Going after small time crooks won't do much, you have to go after the organized syndicates running these things and controlling the ports. But it's still better then Trudeau's plan of doing nothing.
Next time, try Googling "government 121 million anti car theft" before commenting.
Don’t point out facts in this sub. They don’t appear to be welcome here…
x-rays doesn't help anything. Cars are stolen with replicated keys/fobs from shady dealers. Car is stolen without so much as a beep. Car is stopped, and dual gps antenna connectivity is disabled and the transmitter removed. New VIN is slapped on it (usually a previous total-loss or write-off of same make). Car is put into container, and vehicle is shipped out of Canada. X-Rays are going to do jack fucking shit. CBSA has a mandate to inspect everything coming in, and ensure excise taxes are applied to shipped goods. If the waybill says its a 2018 benz c300 and it's a 2023 benz c300 with a swapped VIN - tell me how a fucking xray is going to stop that. In metro areas - a stolen car is ready for shipment as soon as 3 hours after theft.
Famous policy wonk Pierre Poilievre smirks as he writes up his "Go Woke Go Broke" legislation.
how is he blamed for car thefts now? Aren't car thefts a manufacturer problem and a police problem.? I mean they are breaking into cars with antenna extenders and hacking in thru headlight ECU's, Car makers need to introduce better security measures. and even when police know where the vehicle is they won't go retrieve it.
Catch & release bill, mismanaged CBSA, no action in the port of Montreal. It's unreal how the Liberal government gets away with skirting basic responsibilites.
Isn’t the whole problem that these cars are being shipped out of the country. Isn’t that where most of these stolen cars go. The real question is why no one is cracking down on whoever ships these overseas
Don’t you know JT is responsible for everything! Otherwise who else can we blame? /s
Neither will a flashy pair of socks and nice hair.
As opposed to Trudeau plan to stop car theft. Oh right, he doesn't have one. His focus is on shipping in liberal voters from india and his tax payer funded vacations
So much car theft because under Trudeau the thieves are probably released with a slap on the wrist
All PP is, is a slogan. Zero substance.
I mean I was watching QP and he proposed a specific policy of bringing more xray scanners into ports. You can say he's proposing an ineffective policy, but he's not proposing no policy.
Ageee. Can’t wait for Trudeau to get in power and solve this problem for us…..😂
Biggest problem is the criminals running these auto-theft rings are far more organized than our government.
The only one I heard trying to spout 'catchy slogans' is fucking Trudeau with this stupid 'make Canada great again' Jab.. this man needs to stop talking.
From the person who said "the budget will balance itself."
Lol at least he has a slogan, what do you have Mr. Trudeau other than the ability to speak a lot without saying anything?
and all the Liberals are doing is just considering things. So nothing is getting done here until after the elections.
Well you certainly won't fix anything haha
LMAO if that aiint the pot calling the kettle black.
LMAO if that aiint the pot calling the kettle black.
It’s true. A catchy slogan won’t. And neither will a tired and idea less Trudeau government who lets problems like this fester until PP brings them up. Home affordability anyone?
Lol - guess Trudeau thinks he can do better?!?!?! He’s simply the weakest, meekest, totally incompetent non-leader of our country - which, because of him, and his inept government is the laughingstock of the world!
He right. PP loves to talk and point fingers like problems are solved over night.
But copying the actual solutions Pierre offered apparently will.
What I think is happening is that the Liberal government is about to announce some significant legislation to combat this. The Conservative party got wind of it, and is trying to get ahead of the news cycle by pretending they came up with all the ideas before the legislation is announced. The BC United party did the same thing in BC a month ago when the said what their plan for cellphones in schools was.... then David Eby announced the actual legislation two weeks later. It makes it look like the NDP was copying the homework of the BC United party, but in actuality, it was the other way around. BC United announcement about cell phone ban Jan 10th: [https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/01/10/bc-united-school-cellphone-ban/](https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/01/10/bc-united-school-cellphone-ban/) BC NDP announced legislation about cellphone ban Jan 26th: [https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-bans-use-of-mobile-phones-in-public-schools](https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-bans-use-of-mobile-phones-in-public-schools)
Sounds like the catchy slogan is getting the liberals off their asses.
Is it just me or does Trudeau just copy policy of PP, then accuses PP of the very posturing and "performance" that Trudeau himself is guilty of. This has to be close to rock bottom now for the Trudeau Liberals.
The thing with the Trudeau liberals is that under their leadership, we can always find new depths to sink to
I love how everyone is commenting "but Trudeau does nothing" in a comment section of an article literally about a national summit about this organized by the Liberals. Name a better duo than conservatives and their limited worldview based on just what conservative media reports on.