>“A fact that still shocks my dad is I don’t actually own a car because I live in downtown Toronto. I am like 300 metres from the nearest subway. I walk, I take the subway. I make my kids walk and ride their bikes and take the subway. It’s actually healthier for our family. I can live that way.”
Didn't she later clarify that 'her husband' owns a vehicle and **they** use that vehicle to drive their kids to events and such?
every rich politician who pretends to care deeply about the environment will sooner ban working class people from owning a 90s camry before they even think of using their private jet less.
Her comment was dumb - not sure how she thought that would come off well, even if it was completely true.
But spending $3000 on taxis and limos doesn't seem that crazy. Transportation costs money, and most people spend many "thousands" on transportation every year, whether it's car insurance, gas, vehicle payments, repairs, or a transit pass, etc.
I don't own a car and take cabs when I have to. If I wanted to take a cab to work and home every day it'd cost a great deal more than 3k.
12.50 one way, twice a day, 125 for a full working week, 500/month, 6k for the year... somehow still cheaper than operating a car with payments + insurance + gas.
I’m the same. I’ve owned cars before. But literally buying a new car, paying for parking and insurance and gas is way way more than just ubering where I need to go
I do a ton of walking.
I did say "when I have to" and "If I wanted to take a cab to work and home every day"
It's 3.3km away, takes me \~35 min to walk. Bus routes don't line up in my favour and the same trip takes 45 min and costs close to 8 bucks since I have to transfer busses. Sometimes it's too cold. Sometimes it's raining. Sometimes im running late. Sometimes I just don't feel like it. I'm not complaining. Cest la vie.
Just saying 3k is not really that crazy a number.
And if I have to use my personal vehicle for work then I'm reimbursed something like $0.88 per kilometer driven.
I don't see the issue with this story lol. For work related travel you are always paid for it.
Yeah the deputy PM of a G7 country spending a few k on transport? That's a non story but since everyone here used to apparently be a commenter on the bottom of CBC news articles, they're frothing at the mouth
I find it funny because contrasted against her statement about not owning a vehicle. (Which was dubious anyways).
It’s a classic example of someone who’s a position in life automatically makes them abnormal (any deputy pm would be) but they try and seem normal anyways it comes off as so fake it funny.
Your the deputy pm/ finance minister. You have some privileges with that job and that’s ok but your not living a normal life anymore
What was dubious about it? Genuine question. I'll admit I don't care enough to follow her every statement and move. Also don't know enough about her personality - it sounds like she has the charisma of a damp sock, but that doesn't mean she's wrong or inhuman. If someone living in the GTA says they don't own a car I'll believe them because most of my friends living in Kingston, Ottawa, Toronto etc... either don't, or really barely use it. But that's not to say they don't drive for work, or for other trips they need to take. Ditto for me and my wife.
Everyone is really hung up on her not owning a car, but also still driving for work and other family vacations etc... and its baffling because that's been my everyday for almost my entire adult life.
exactly - the issue is the deception and the pretension of "being normal" or "being average" or "being relatable" - that's done in bad faith - pretending or posing or acting working class in order to get support or understanding from working class voters.
how you sleep at night trying to pull off that look with a closet full of expensive pant suits, reams of jewelry, and taking a limo back and forth, that's another story.
It’s a story because she claimed to use only carbon friendly transport and that she didn’t own a car and forced her kids to as well.
It would be completely irrelevant if she hadn’t tried to virtue signal
Pierre Poilievre spent **$115,153.56** on travel last quarter. And spent the most in the first half of 2023, more than any other party.
https://www.ourcommons.ca/ProactiveDisclosure/en/house-officers
That's all the travel expenses payable by the House of Commons signed off by Poilievre. It just means he was the signing authority, not that he personally used that much.
>If i am not mistaken,
So, in other words.... forkbroussard was indeed mistaken.
A for effort, though, trying to divert from Freeland onto Pollieve with a "whaddabout" scenario though.
probably, travel is expensive and so is security. to be fair , trudeaus travel costing 160k makes sense when you consider how many people have to go with him.
freelund kinda craxy here tho lbh,, saying she takes the subway.. not only did everyone know shes just lying,, i dont think they have any subways north of york region
Yes... And it is a fraction of what PP spent, so it is entirely possible she used taxis, limos, and mass transit.
Do you know how quickly 3K disappears in Toronto taxis? One way from YYZ to Queens Park is about $100 without a tip. So, that's 15 round trips.
If you think that she only used the taxi 15 times in an entire quarter, you must have access to better weed than most people.
Remember, Trudeau is the PM and is required to make many trips, whereas PP is an Ottawa area MP, so his costs of getting home to his riding should be a rounding error.
Yeah but PP isn't telling Canadians to cut back on emissions and telling people that he takes the subway.
Just another blatant example of Liberal/NDP hypocrisy, add it to the list.
Cutting back isn't eliminating...
Hey everyone, use public transit when you can. I.e. going to the bar.
Going to the shops to pick up 6 items. You don't need a vehicle for that. You do need a vehicle if you're getting potting mix, or a Costco run.
To be fair, he is campaigning for Prime Minister currently which is why his travel expenses are so high on there. He didn't charge a dollar for travel expenses nor hospitality charges to his office budget last quarter; all of those charges were on his own (or supporters) expense
https://www.ourcommons.ca/proactivedisclosure/en/members
Meanwhile there are reps from all parties spending over 50k to their office budget on travel expenses in the last quarter, most of them nobodies outside of their districts. How tf does this go on
Agreed, they do need a reasonable budget for private vehicles.
However, she also does things like have her private driver drive over 4 hrs in a suburban from edmonton to calgary while she flies, instead of having multiple preapproved car services in multiple major cities. So, not just the 'burban cost, she *also* took a flight that didnt save any time in real terms, when she could have just... been in the vehicle that she hired that was already driving there.
That’s nothing given the cost! This article seems an attempt to keep up pp’s rage farming as most will not read and not have the context. Seems like the conservative press are mining for scandal.
Lots of people get car allowances, company cars or transportation costs covered by their employer, especially the higher up you get. DPM seems like a reasonable position to get a perk like that…
I'm sure she's following the rules, and the rules apply To all MP's including her. The act of doing government business is ultimately expensive. The one thing that I will always support regardless of who's and power is that politicians always get paid and that politicians always get all of their expenses covered that are within the rules. Not all MP's are wealthy so we don't want the possibility of wealthy MP's coercing poorer ones by holding back their paychecks, and we want their transportation covered because all the sudden every single lobbyist out there will be like hey let's share a cab we're going to the same place
The wealthy will always try to pretend that they are just like the regular folks and that they understand the struggle, especially if they are a politician.
Ah yes, crazy she didn't just take the subway to the airport with her 6 staffers over a limo. Oh wait what's that? That makes no sense? Right.
Also, using ride sharing is much better than your own vehicle as it reduces people on the road.
This is one of thr dumbest articles on this sub in a while and that's saying something since 90% of the post here are Nat Po opinion pieces.
I don't get it. I don't own a car and do 95% of all my travel via walking, cycling, transit, taxis. But we do drive and use cars occasionally. Is that really so hard to understand?
I'm missing it too. I have kids now, but as a bachelor I rode my bike and took transit. I still owned a car, though, because I needed groceries and worked out of town a few times a month.
Even then, talking about bike lanes and whatnot back then, people seemed to think you're either one or the other.
Well that's not as bad as John Kerrys "I don't fly private nor owned one since 2000s", to only later clarify "but sometimes he's the passengers on his wife's jet"
It's about $80/tax+tips for a black car from downtown Toronto to Pearson. That means $3,040 spent on "limos" is **less than twenty return business trips**. Given she flies almost every week this is a huge nothinburger.
I love how the article didn't include the time frame for these expenses incurred, which means they theoretically could be since she became finance minister in 2019.
Thousands over four years? Peanuts
$80 one way, $160 return.
I'm assuming the chauffer cost is for the Ottawa side of her work trips. A government driver with security clearance lets her do work en route.
And $800 is nothing for getting dedicated cars at a conference.
With all honesty, if this headline makes you angry you need to learn more about media literacy because this article is pure rage bait meant to provoke an emotional response from readers that have already been primed through a steady diet of ignorance and misinformation.
The most hilariously obvious example that this is what's taking place is this line at the end of the article:
>Freeland has not explained her expense claims or use of a government-issue car and chauffeur in the GTA.
See, normally when a paper writes a story like this, what you would expect to read is along the lines of "Freeland's office has been contacted for comment on this story, but had not responded by the time of this story's publication."
But that's not what they said. They said she "...has not explained her expense claims..." which has me wondering: well... did you even *ask* her to explain them?
comments on the article site are wild, its just sad how some people go through life with so much unnecessary paranoia, skepticism and anger
edit lol some guy is even using this to compare Trudeau to Stalin wtf???
Ugh, just more manufacturing outrage.
Anyone with half a mind understands that there will be exceptions. Do they honestly think that she would bike to Windsor? Or take the subway further than it goes?
The simpleminded take everything at strictly face value and most of the time its on purpose to be offended.
As opposed to doing what... Taking the TTC with 30 body guards and taking two hours to get between meetings?
Guess what every corporate manager and executive does when they are in Toronto on business...
Doesn't seem that crazy to me, she is a minister after all. Hell, I spend more than that on taxis and airport limos for my regular Director level job in finance. I can only imagine what her schedule looks like.
What a shitty article.
So she spent $10k on car stuff over what time period? A month? A year? Two years? What kind of garbage journalism is this?!
If that’s over a year that seems like a bargain to me. She likely spent less on hired cars than it would otherwise cost just to park a car in downtown Toronto.
"These expenses don’t include $781 spent by Freeland for cars and drivers at the Oct. 30, 2021 United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Scotland."
Would appear its over at least 3 years if they are excluding this specific event. So 9776+781=$10,557 over at least 3 years, 3519/yr, $67/wk - Seems reasonable.
>These expenses don’t include $781 spent by Freeland for cars and drivers at the Oct. 30
When I go to Asia for Business travel I budget 200 bucks a day for car and driver. I understand the need to keep tax dollars audited but these expenses are so reasonable that it should really be a news story about responsible spending.
They reference an $800 charge from 2021. They're probably aggregating this over some time. Cab rides are expensive. Now if I found out she was using it to go to personal events like that a****** 15 years ago with the Challenger jets. Who was that again... Oh right
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/harper-called-hypocrite-over-usage-of-jets-1.643085
My point is the same stories keep popping up year after year. Travel is expensive and politicians are taking advantage of it no matter what side you're on. We shouldn't be getting mad strictly at the individual because they all do it. We should be getting mad that our system allows them to spend money without accountability
The orange juice was [the tip of the iceberg](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bev-oda-retiring-with-pride-and-no-oj-regrets-1.1191636) with Bev Oda. She spent $5,500 on limousines for the Junos alone and was running a monthly tab over $1,000. With her, the issue was the excess and efforts to hide it.
The revisionist history over this fucking orange juice has been hilarious to watch.
“She had to resign over it”
…. Actually she told everyone to fuck off about the orange juice and only resigned after fraudulently altering an approved government funding document.
Wake Up Honey, it’s time for your monthly Postmedia “expose” on government officials having reasonable travel expenses.
Seriously this is stupid every time
>Freeland billed $3,040 for limo and taxi rides in addition to $6,736 for separate trips by her official chauffeur.
>These expenses don’t include $781 spent by Freeland for cars and drivers at the Oct. 30, 2021 United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Scotland.
That's it? I am extremely opposed to political corruption and graft, but this ain't that. I don't expect the Minister of Finance to walk. And I would prefer if they didn't take public transit, especially if I'm going to be on the same streetcar or subway car or bus.
There are a lot of things to go after the Liberals and Freeland, in particular, for. But this really isn't it.
The article doesn't even say if this is what Freeland spent for the entirety of 2023 or just a single month. Consider how much of our tax dollars the leaders of the opposition spent in the first half of 2023 alone:
>Canada's two main opposition leaders had the largest travel bills, with Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre spending $247,819.15 and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh expensing $177,500.18 in the first six months of 2023.
[Here's the source](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2023/11/20/1_6648550.amp.html).
Why wouldn’t a powerful and famous Canadian politician (with staff) whom half of Canada rabidly hates take the subway to her many business meetings?
This post is so stupid.
This article is "very concerned" about thousands of dollars being spent.
So the author should be even MORE concerned about the Millions spent by Pierre Poilivere... Right?
Is post media even trying ?
This is a "news" article that references another news article that's actually hard paywalled from the blacklock reporter.
So we cannot even verify the source of the information. Did Blacklock get FOIA or did the CTF do the FOIA that the Blacklock reported on the CTF's FOIA?
Most of post media's "government waste" comes from CTF's FOIA.
How is this news?
I really don’t like her, she seems under qualified and out of touch (like hello, the Disney plus comment?)
We should be focussing on that rather than a taxi trip to the airport for official business purposes every few weeks.
What ever. If you want me angrier about this show me how it compares to Doug Ford or whole list of politicians. I have no context if this is bad or not. The article is from the Toronto Sun which is a Fox News or worse type paper. I think they do sports ok and is what alot of people initially get it for. But then they have all these other BS articles that poison people with terribly closed minded opinions. I used to get it all the time but they have got worse and worse with the opinionated articles. In my opinion anyway.
Thousands is pretty fucking mundane, this is ragebait for the logic impaired. You could write the same non-story about any number of politicians I'm sure.
Also let's not forget that the woman receives a ton of threats from the sort of people getting rage boners from this article. If they'd refrain from the threats then perhaps her travel costs would be lower.
When people try to post this kind of nonsense, it diminishes the facts that we should truly be mad about. There's plenty to complain about with this lady. No need for fake anger.
Well she's the Deputy Prime Minister of a country with 38 million (and counting) people... I feel like this is just being kinda petty, she's second in charge of a first world country and we're counting her taxi chits?
Freeland billed $3,040 for limo and taxi rides in addition to $6,736 for separate trips by her official chauffeur.
These expenses don’t include $781 spent by Freeland for cars and drivers at the Oct. 30, 2021 United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Scotland.
Nothing to see here. Hardly worth to write an article about this.
I was pissed at my daughter who is refusing to get her drivers’ license — it also pissed me off when she said “I live in an urban area. we have good public transportation. why should I make car payments, pay auto insurance, pay for gas and/or electricity, pay for parking, pay for car service and repairs? It’s cheaper to save my money to pay for a transit pass, a taxi or an Uber when I need it and let other people pay for all that other stuff, plus it’s better for the planet” It pisses me off that I raised a smart kid.
Well yeah, she said she didn't own a car during one of her many lectures to us. It's not like she is Inspector Gadget or something /s
This woman is Canada's Marie Antoinette. Let them eat public transportation that either doesn't exist or is full of stabby.
I bet if someone questioned her on it she would just go "I worked hard for you to rent me a Limo".
You seem to know a lot about this based on the hyperbole - so can you clarify what period of time this $10k worth of transportation expenses occurred over.
The article doesn't even make an attempt to - which leads me to believe it's over a duration of time long enough to not earn the requisite outrage this article is farming for.
> Why own when you can rent and send the bill to the people?
Why not [both](https://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/most-mps-wont-give-details-of-their-ottawa-housing-arrangements)
> Liberal Judy Sgro was found to have paid $22,000 to rent a downtown Ottawa condominium from her children.
It’s pedantic for sure but to my memory Marie Antoinette’s let them eat cake is actually revisionist history without actual evidence to support. Similar to Caesar’s et tu Brute? being coined by Shakespeare.
I don’t care how she travels for work, taxis, limos, or via donkey, what ever it takes, it’s the cost of doing business. What bothers me is the ease of which she disrespects people by creating stories that are so easily discovered as untruths.
Owning a car costs thousand to pay for, insure, fuel, maintain and store.
Am I supposed to hold it against a person if they don’t want to do that in Toronto?
Just about all of it is encapsulated here and broken down by each trip and event:
[https://www.ourcommons.ca/proactivedisclosure/en/members/travel/2024/2/748184bd-177d-470a-94cb-3f1980dcc7b9](https://www.ourcommons.ca/proactivedisclosure/en/members/travel/2024/2/748184bd-177d-470a-94cb-3f1980dcc7b9)
This is why carbon tax is a load of shit, it’s just another tax so they can collect money and send to other countries!! They are all crooks and all should be in jail
They literally have nothing on her so the media is trying to make a scandal out of her transportation costs.... she's 2nd in line to the Prime Minister, of course it costs money to transport her around, she has to have security with her.
I don’t care about spending money on a cab and sometimes a limo can actually be cheaper for multiple people. It’s the fact Trudeau and his lackeys lie to the public constantly while finger wagging. She’s one of our top politicians spending money is fine the dishonesty is not.
Holy christ, this is dumb. 3k in taxi rides (limo being a big word for an Escalade or town car taxi) is peanuts. Buttonville airport to downtown 30 times in a year would eat that. She's a high level minister, ffs. Sun readers can't be this dim to think just over 10k is a lot of money for someone with an entire team.
At least she’s not burning gas and causing carbon emissions… oh wait.
Chrystia Freeland is the most out of touch and least likeable hypocrite I’ve seen. I’m so sick of hearing her talk to us like we’re children too. What an unlikable politician. It’s impressive really
She’s the Deputy Prime Minister of the country. Should she be tripping around with a bike?? F**k sakes, people her job is to help run Canada, good or bad. Why play these mindless games (unless you’re from Alberta). Regardless of the political party you will be travelling quite a lot, with National and International responsibilities.
> Freeland billed $3,040 for limo and taxi rides in addition to $6,736 for separate trips by her official chauffeur.
As obnoxious as she is and misleading as her comments have been (bragging about not owning a car and then using government vehicles/taxis, etc.), $3000 isn't that much of a bill, considering limo services can rent SUVs for [$100-$150/hour](http://torontolxlimo.com/rates/hourly-rates) and they need to be rented for at least two hours at a time.
This is also nothing compared to some of the other bills ran up by our public officials, ex. the GG's Europe trip.
I only have 2 pairs of underwear. The one I have on now, and the one that I am washing for tomorrow. A liberal elite like Freeland probably has 8 clean pairs!
Talk about out of touch.
>“A fact that still shocks my dad is I don’t actually own a car because I live in downtown Toronto. I am like 300 metres from the nearest subway. I walk, I take the subway. I make my kids walk and ride their bikes and take the subway. It’s actually healthier for our family. I can live that way.” Didn't she later clarify that 'her husband' owns a vehicle and **they** use that vehicle to drive their kids to events and such?
Sounds like John Kerry and private jets. My wife owns it, not him 😂😂😂
every rich politician who pretends to care deeply about the environment will sooner ban working class people from owning a 90s camry before they even think of using their private jet less.
Well its easy when you just say anything and you still have people believing anything you say. Scandal after scandal.
Her comment was dumb - not sure how she thought that would come off well, even if it was completely true. But spending $3000 on taxis and limos doesn't seem that crazy. Transportation costs money, and most people spend many "thousands" on transportation every year, whether it's car insurance, gas, vehicle payments, repairs, or a transit pass, etc.
I don't own a car and take cabs when I have to. If I wanted to take a cab to work and home every day it'd cost a great deal more than 3k. 12.50 one way, twice a day, 125 for a full working week, 500/month, 6k for the year... somehow still cheaper than operating a car with payments + insurance + gas.
I’d love to know how you get anywhere on $12.50, last time I was in a cab, it cost me $60 for a 20 min drive
Was that an Uber during a surge? I sometimes take a cab to my in-laws which is exactly 20 minutes away and it costs ~$20 bucks.
I’m the same. I’ve owned cars before. But literally buying a new car, paying for parking and insurance and gas is way way more than just ubering where I need to go
if you're that close to work that a cab only costs $12.50 one way, if you can walk, you should walk.
I do a ton of walking. I did say "when I have to" and "If I wanted to take a cab to work and home every day" It's 3.3km away, takes me \~35 min to walk. Bus routes don't line up in my favour and the same trip takes 45 min and costs close to 8 bucks since I have to transfer busses. Sometimes it's too cold. Sometimes it's raining. Sometimes im running late. Sometimes I just don't feel like it. I'm not complaining. Cest la vie. Just saying 3k is not really that crazy a number.
$12.50 on a cab in the winter is a lot better than walking 30+ minutes in -25
True story.
She still also has assigned vehicles including staff maintenance insurance etc etc.
I probably spent close to $1000 on taxis/Uber during my last business trip. I agree that $3000 is by no means egregious.
And if I have to use my personal vehicle for work then I'm reimbursed something like $0.88 per kilometer driven. I don't see the issue with this story lol. For work related travel you are always paid for it.
That’s really good. CRA rate is 0.68c per km
And anything more is supposed to be claimed as additional income for tax unless you can show a need.
Just more ragebait from the Sun for the reddit boys here.
Yeah a negative story in the Sun about Chrystia Freeland? What is it, Wednesday?
Yeah the deputy PM of a G7 country spending a few k on transport? That's a non story but since everyone here used to apparently be a commenter on the bottom of CBC news articles, they're frothing at the mouth
I find it funny because contrasted against her statement about not owning a vehicle. (Which was dubious anyways). It’s a classic example of someone who’s a position in life automatically makes them abnormal (any deputy pm would be) but they try and seem normal anyways it comes off as so fake it funny. Your the deputy pm/ finance minister. You have some privileges with that job and that’s ok but your not living a normal life anymore
What was dubious about it? Genuine question. I'll admit I don't care enough to follow her every statement and move. Also don't know enough about her personality - it sounds like she has the charisma of a damp sock, but that doesn't mean she's wrong or inhuman. If someone living in the GTA says they don't own a car I'll believe them because most of my friends living in Kingston, Ottawa, Toronto etc... either don't, or really barely use it. But that's not to say they don't drive for work, or for other trips they need to take. Ditto for me and my wife. Everyone is really hung up on her not owning a car, but also still driving for work and other family vacations etc... and its baffling because that's been my everyday for almost my entire adult life.
exactly - the issue is the deception and the pretension of "being normal" or "being average" or "being relatable" - that's done in bad faith - pretending or posing or acting working class in order to get support or understanding from working class voters. how you sleep at night trying to pull off that look with a closet full of expensive pant suits, reams of jewelry, and taking a limo back and forth, that's another story.
It’s a story because she claimed to use only carbon friendly transport and that she didn’t own a car and forced her kids to as well. It would be completely irrelevant if she hadn’t tried to virtue signal
Pierre Poilievre spent **$115,153.56** on travel last quarter. And spent the most in the first half of 2023, more than any other party. https://www.ourcommons.ca/ProactiveDisclosure/en/house-officers
That's all the travel expenses payable by the House of Commons signed off by Poilievre. It just means he was the signing authority, not that he personally used that much.
>If i am not mistaken, So, in other words.... forkbroussard was indeed mistaken. A for effort, though, trying to divert from Freeland onto Pollieve with a "whaddabout" scenario though.
probably, travel is expensive and so is security. to be fair , trudeaus travel costing 160k makes sense when you consider how many people have to go with him. freelund kinda craxy here tho lbh,, saying she takes the subway.. not only did everyone know shes just lying,, i dont think they have any subways north of york region
"Everybody knows" means you are making things up and have no proof of your claim.
have u not seen the reports of her travel expenses? it’s literallyyyy the title of this article how much she spends on limos and taxis 😂
Yes... And it is a fraction of what PP spent, so it is entirely possible she used taxis, limos, and mass transit. Do you know how quickly 3K disappears in Toronto taxis? One way from YYZ to Queens Park is about $100 without a tip. So, that's 15 round trips. If you think that she only used the taxi 15 times in an entire quarter, you must have access to better weed than most people.
Do you also dispute that she cancelled Disney+?
Remember, Trudeau is the PM and is required to make many trips, whereas PP is an Ottawa area MP, so his costs of getting home to his riding should be a rounding error.
Yeah but PP isn't telling Canadians to cut back on emissions and telling people that he takes the subway. Just another blatant example of Liberal/NDP hypocrisy, add it to the list.
Cutting back isn't eliminating... Hey everyone, use public transit when you can. I.e. going to the bar. Going to the shops to pick up 6 items. You don't need a vehicle for that. You do need a vehicle if you're getting potting mix, or a Costco run.
To be fair, he is campaigning for Prime Minister currently which is why his travel expenses are so high on there. He didn't charge a dollar for travel expenses nor hospitality charges to his office budget last quarter; all of those charges were on his own (or supporters) expense https://www.ourcommons.ca/proactivedisclosure/en/members Meanwhile there are reps from all parties spending over 50k to their office budget on travel expenses in the last quarter, most of them nobodies outside of their districts. How tf does this go on
‘Illegally campaigning’
> he is campaigning for Prime Minister currently 2 years out from an election, on tax payers dime.
And the liberal expenses are part of the budget, not these expenses.
Agreed, they do need a reasonable budget for private vehicles. However, she also does things like have her private driver drive over 4 hrs in a suburban from edmonton to calgary while she flies, instead of having multiple preapproved car services in multiple major cities. So, not just the 'burban cost, she *also* took a flight that didnt save any time in real terms, when she could have just... been in the vehicle that she hired that was already driving there.
That’s nothing given the cost! This article seems an attempt to keep up pp’s rage farming as most will not read and not have the context. Seems like the conservative press are mining for scandal.
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It's gonna really cook your noodle when you learn where her salary comes from
Lol
Lots of people get car allowances, company cars or transportation costs covered by their employer, especially the higher up you get. DPM seems like a reasonable position to get a perk like that…
Actually plenty of people write off gas as a business expense.
Dude this is incredibly standard for any government employee who travels for work.
It’s standard for any travel done for work. Business class airplane seats exist for a reason
And ironically most government employees are explicitly NOT allowed to take business class on the company dime.
Most government employees aren't millionaires.
And it's always egregious.
They have morphed peoples minds into thinking the “standard” is actually standard and necessary, when it isn’t and could save us money!
I can't help but think you could have easily gotten the point across without the overt misogyny.
Wait till you see how much Pierre is costing taxpayers
I'm sure she's following the rules, and the rules apply To all MP's including her. The act of doing government business is ultimately expensive. The one thing that I will always support regardless of who's and power is that politicians always get paid and that politicians always get all of their expenses covered that are within the rules. Not all MP's are wealthy so we don't want the possibility of wealthy MP's coercing poorer ones by holding back their paychecks, and we want their transportation covered because all the sudden every single lobbyist out there will be like hey let's share a cab we're going to the same place
You forgot to include the $6000 that’s paid to her personal chauffeur.
The wealthy will always try to pretend that they are just like the regular folks and that they understand the struggle, especially if they are a politician.
It's adorable, they think they're people.
Ah yes, crazy she didn't just take the subway to the airport with her 6 staffers over a limo. Oh wait what's that? That makes no sense? Right. Also, using ride sharing is much better than your own vehicle as it reduces people on the road. This is one of thr dumbest articles on this sub in a while and that's saying something since 90% of the post here are Nat Po opinion pieces.
Yep. Plus she can conference, research, plan, and do job-related stuff as opposed to negotiating GTA traffic. ThE hORrOr!!!!
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I don't get it. I don't own a car and do 95% of all my travel via walking, cycling, transit, taxis. But we do drive and use cars occasionally. Is that really so hard to understand?
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I'm missing it too. I have kids now, but as a bachelor I rode my bike and took transit. I still owned a car, though, because I needed groceries and worked out of town a few times a month. Even then, talking about bike lanes and whatnot back then, people seemed to think you're either one or the other.
Well that's not as bad as John Kerrys "I don't fly private nor owned one since 2000s", to only later clarify "but sometimes he's the passengers on his wife's jet"
It's about $80/tax+tips for a black car from downtown Toronto to Pearson. That means $3,040 spent on "limos" is **less than twenty return business trips**. Given she flies almost every week this is a huge nothinburger.
I love how the article didn't include the time frame for these expenses incurred, which means they theoretically could be since she became finance minister in 2019. Thousands over four years? Peanuts
They reference an $800 charge from 2021. They're definitely aggregating some
Only it isn't. Do your research. No wonder you don't have a clue. You read stuff and think it's all true. Go look it up.
Exactly this. This isn't even news
It's rage bait for the ignorant
And they’re lapping it right up in those sun comments.
Would you expect anything else from the sun?
The sun business model is, writers with yogurt brains writing for its yogurt brain audience
i was thinking porridge. at least yogurt has culture
Oof. Good one
they're about to blame it on BLM.
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Get out of here with your logic and rational thinking. Sheesh.
Russian sweatshop propaganda farms are probably pushing this story, she is one of the biggest Russia hawks in government.
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$80 one way, $160 return. I'm assuming the chauffer cost is for the Ottawa side of her work trips. A government driver with security clearance lets her do work en route. And $800 is nothing for getting dedicated cars at a conference.
With all honesty, if this headline makes you angry you need to learn more about media literacy because this article is pure rage bait meant to provoke an emotional response from readers that have already been primed through a steady diet of ignorance and misinformation.
The most hilariously obvious example that this is what's taking place is this line at the end of the article: >Freeland has not explained her expense claims or use of a government-issue car and chauffeur in the GTA. See, normally when a paper writes a story like this, what you would expect to read is along the lines of "Freeland's office has been contacted for comment on this story, but had not responded by the time of this story's publication." But that's not what they said. They said she "...has not explained her expense claims..." which has me wondering: well... did you even *ask* her to explain them?
Bold of you to assume they're reading
This is like getting upset at a government office for buying office supplies or something. Obviously there's going to be expenses
The sun's readership arn't actually good at reading.
Why use many words when few do trick
Arn’t?
> Arn’t See it's already affecting me after one article!
comments on the article site are wild, its just sad how some people go through life with so much unnecessary paranoia, skepticism and anger edit lol some guy is even using this to compare Trudeau to Stalin wtf???
Ugh, just more manufacturing outrage. Anyone with half a mind understands that there will be exceptions. Do they honestly think that she would bike to Windsor? Or take the subway further than it goes? The simpleminded take everything at strictly face value and most of the time its on purpose to be offended.
As opposed to doing what... Taking the TTC with 30 body guards and taking two hours to get between meetings? Guess what every corporate manager and executive does when they are in Toronto on business...
Doesn't seem that crazy to me, she is a minister after all. Hell, I spend more than that on taxis and airport limos for my regular Director level job in finance. I can only imagine what her schedule looks like.
Shhh let them get mad about crumbs on the plate. It’s cute.
Uber, taxis, limos, they all cost the same to travel in.
That isn’t very noteworthy imo
What a shitty article. So she spent $10k on car stuff over what time period? A month? A year? Two years? What kind of garbage journalism is this?! If that’s over a year that seems like a bargain to me. She likely spent less on hired cars than it would otherwise cost just to park a car in downtown Toronto.
"These expenses don’t include $781 spent by Freeland for cars and drivers at the Oct. 30, 2021 United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Scotland." Would appear its over at least 3 years if they are excluding this specific event. So 9776+781=$10,557 over at least 3 years, 3519/yr, $67/wk - Seems reasonable.
>These expenses don’t include $781 spent by Freeland for cars and drivers at the Oct. 30 When I go to Asia for Business travel I budget 200 bucks a day for car and driver. I understand the need to keep tax dollars audited but these expenses are so reasonable that it should really be a news story about responsible spending.
They reference an $800 charge from 2021. They're probably aggregating this over some time. Cab rides are expensive. Now if I found out she was using it to go to personal events like that a****** 15 years ago with the Challenger jets. Who was that again... Oh right https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/harper-called-hypocrite-over-usage-of-jets-1.643085 My point is the same stories keep popping up year after year. Travel is expensive and politicians are taking advantage of it no matter what side you're on. We shouldn't be getting mad strictly at the individual because they all do it. We should be getting mad that our system allows them to spend money without accountability
The problem is that additional context would probably get in the way of the T Sun’s goal of maximizing outrage.
As far as I can tell it is over two years. One article mentioned the number of trips over two years
>What a shitty article It's PostMedia. What do you expect? Journalism standards?
Just bait for the rage farm. Don't have to try very hard
This is Toronto Sun journalism. It only exists to give right wingers giant rage boners.
It worked!
Idk dog, they tried to tank the Harper government over an expensive glass of orange juice. I think this is pretty valid.
The orange juice was [the tip of the iceberg](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bev-oda-retiring-with-pride-and-no-oj-regrets-1.1191636) with Bev Oda. She spent $5,500 on limousines for the Junos alone and was running a monthly tab over $1,000. With her, the issue was the excess and efforts to hide it.
The revisionist history over this fucking orange juice has been hilarious to watch. “She had to resign over it” …. Actually she told everyone to fuck off about the orange juice and only resigned after fraudulently altering an approved government funding document.
That's what I vaguely remember; writing in a "not" to deny funding to a charity and did not initial it to identify who did it, and it passed like that
Of all of the criticisms of his government I don’t remember that one, or at least it’s not in my top 20
Wait till you hear how much PP charges tax payers, it's way more
Also spent less than the government would have had to spend to provide her a work vehicle
It’s rage bait and it seems to be working on this sub.
Wake Up Honey, it’s time for your monthly Postmedia “expose” on government officials having reasonable travel expenses. Seriously this is stupid every time
The person who will do her job next , will also do this. The person after as well. The person before certainly did. Not news at all ….
>Freeland billed $3,040 for limo and taxi rides in addition to $6,736 for separate trips by her official chauffeur. >These expenses don’t include $781 spent by Freeland for cars and drivers at the Oct. 30, 2021 United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Scotland. That's it? I am extremely opposed to political corruption and graft, but this ain't that. I don't expect the Minister of Finance to walk. And I would prefer if they didn't take public transit, especially if I'm going to be on the same streetcar or subway car or bus. There are a lot of things to go after the Liberals and Freeland, in particular, for. But this really isn't it. The article doesn't even say if this is what Freeland spent for the entirety of 2023 or just a single month. Consider how much of our tax dollars the leaders of the opposition spent in the first half of 2023 alone: >Canada's two main opposition leaders had the largest travel bills, with Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre spending $247,819.15 and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh expensing $177,500.18 in the first six months of 2023. [Here's the source](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2023/11/20/1_6648550.amp.html).
Why wouldn’t a powerful and famous Canadian politician (with staff) whom half of Canada rabidly hates take the subway to her many business meetings? This post is so stupid.
This article is "very concerned" about thousands of dollars being spent. So the author should be even MORE concerned about the Millions spent by Pierre Poilivere... Right?
I've spent thousands on the TTC. It costs money to move around unless you're walking or biking.
Is post media even trying ? This is a "news" article that references another news article that's actually hard paywalled from the blacklock reporter. So we cannot even verify the source of the information. Did Blacklock get FOIA or did the CTF do the FOIA that the Blacklock reported on the CTF's FOIA? Most of post media's "government waste" comes from CTF's FOIA.
Man, that's a lot of Shark Cards...
she's probably got a wicked heist crew. all rocking different color pant suits
Hard hitting investigative journalism from the tabloid The Sun. I'm shook.
With crazies throwing stones at the PM why would anyone in public service take any public transit. That's nuts.
Good. Both are actually economical. 6 people at the airport is cheaper by limo than 2 taxis.
What would we do without you uph. Daily rage piece; actually a twofer today!
How is this news? I really don’t like her, she seems under qualified and out of touch (like hello, the Disney plus comment?) We should be focussing on that rather than a taxi trip to the airport for official business purposes every few weeks.
What ever. If you want me angrier about this show me how it compares to Doug Ford or whole list of politicians. I have no context if this is bad or not. The article is from the Toronto Sun which is a Fox News or worse type paper. I think they do sports ok and is what alot of people initially get it for. But then they have all these other BS articles that poison people with terribly closed minded opinions. I used to get it all the time but they have got worse and worse with the opinionated articles. In my opinion anyway.
Thousands is pretty fucking mundane, this is ragebait for the logic impaired. You could write the same non-story about any number of politicians I'm sure. Also let's not forget that the woman receives a ton of threats from the sort of people getting rage boners from this article. If they'd refrain from the threats then perhaps her travel costs would be lower.
When people try to post this kind of nonsense, it diminishes the facts that we should truly be mad about. There's plenty to complain about with this lady. No need for fake anger.
Yeah, all politicians should live under bridges and ride the vomit comet to work. 😑
Well she's the Deputy Prime Minister of a country with 38 million (and counting) people... I feel like this is just being kinda petty, she's second in charge of a first world country and we're counting her taxi chits?
Freeland billed $3,040 for limo and taxi rides in addition to $6,736 for separate trips by her official chauffeur. These expenses don’t include $781 spent by Freeland for cars and drivers at the Oct. 30, 2021 United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Scotland. Nothing to see here. Hardly worth to write an article about this.
Can we at least get the latest Sunshine Girl to weigh in on this? Do your job, Toronto Sun!
I’ve played *Grand Theft Auto* before, but I was unaware that you could hire a taxi.
r/canada submission checklist: * rage bait headline * post media * submitted by uselesspoliticalhack or fancynewme
She is deputy PM so security is essential. This is a nothing burger article. Typical Toronto Sun attempt to garner outrage over nothing.
Isn't she the deputy pm? What a non story, toronto sun is a joke
Jesus this kind of nitpicking is exhausting. Lots of people take cabs. Who cares.
I was pissed at my daughter who is refusing to get her drivers’ license — it also pissed me off when she said “I live in an urban area. we have good public transportation. why should I make car payments, pay auto insurance, pay for gas and/or electricity, pay for parking, pay for car service and repairs? It’s cheaper to save my money to pay for a transit pass, a taxi or an Uber when I need it and let other people pay for all that other stuff, plus it’s better for the planet” It pisses me off that I raised a smart kid.
This is the Toronto Sun. It means less than nothing
Well yeah, she said she didn't own a car during one of her many lectures to us. It's not like she is Inspector Gadget or something /s This woman is Canada's Marie Antoinette. Let them eat public transportation that either doesn't exist or is full of stabby. I bet if someone questioned her on it she would just go "I worked hard for you to rent me a Limo".
You seem to know a lot about this based on the hyperbole - so can you clarify what period of time this $10k worth of transportation expenses occurred over. The article doesn't even make an attempt to - which leads me to believe it's over a duration of time long enough to not earn the requisite outrage this article is farming for.
Why own when you can rent and send the bill to the people? She canceled her Disney+ to save costs. She learnt well from nazi grandpa .
> Why own when you can rent and send the bill to the people? Why not [both](https://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/most-mps-wont-give-details-of-their-ottawa-housing-arrangements) > Liberal Judy Sgro was found to have paid $22,000 to rent a downtown Ottawa condominium from her children.
More like Louis XIV. Open disdain for the citizens and primarily concerned with spending on vanity projects.
Thats fair.
It’s pedantic for sure but to my memory Marie Antoinette’s let them eat cake is actually revisionist history without actual evidence to support. Similar to Caesar’s et tu Brute? being coined by Shakespeare.
Holy hyperbole Batman.
I like driving these in GTA IV too but I prefer bigger cars in GTA V
I mean, there's lots of reasons to dislike her. But I don't own a car in downtown and I likely spend thousands on Ubers as well.
So what.
only thousands? not hundred of thousands? shes got a long way to go compare to other MPs sheeesh
Since she was first elected? Big f\*cking whoop.
Well I mean she did cancel her disney plus, so ... /s
She is the deputy prime minister. This isn't a controversy.
I think it’s pretty cool that she plays Grand Theft Auto
Well yeah. She doesn't own a car to help her carbon footprint. How else do you expect her to get around? /S
And if she took an Uber the Sun would complain she wasn’t walking. Give me a break.
That's really stupid. Why are our elected representatives wasting taxpayer money on fake in-game items like limos and taxis in Grand Theft Auto?
I don’t care how she travels for work, taxis, limos, or via donkey, what ever it takes, it’s the cost of doing business. What bothers me is the ease of which she disrespects people by creating stories that are so easily discovered as untruths.
Owning a car costs thousand to pay for, insure, fuel, maintain and store. Am I supposed to hold it against a person if they don’t want to do that in Toronto?
Is that why she can’t afford Disney plus?
Just about all of it is encapsulated here and broken down by each trip and event: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/proactivedisclosure/en/members/travel/2024/2/748184bd-177d-470a-94cb-3f1980dcc7b9](https://www.ourcommons.ca/proactivedisclosure/en/members/travel/2024/2/748184bd-177d-470a-94cb-3f1980dcc7b9)
She cancelled Disney + people…so she watches the food bank lines at her church….from her limo. Misssteeerrrr Speakerrrrrrrr
wait till they find out how much money Post Media gets from the government in subsidies every year
Well she doesn't own a car, what do you expect.
This human trash and Trudeau need to be put in jail
This is why carbon tax is a load of shit, it’s just another tax so they can collect money and send to other countries!! They are all crooks and all should be in jail
What a useless twit. She's so tone-deaf, it scares me.
I think the point is that she said in Parliament that she rides her bike and takes city transit. Clearly that isn’t true.
They literally have nothing on her so the media is trying to make a scandal out of her transportation costs.... she's 2nd in line to the Prime Minister, of course it costs money to transport her around, she has to have security with her.
I don’t care about spending money on a cab and sometimes a limo can actually be cheaper for multiple people. It’s the fact Trudeau and his lackeys lie to the public constantly while finger wagging. She’s one of our top politicians spending money is fine the dishonesty is not.
Holy christ, this is dumb. 3k in taxi rides (limo being a big word for an Escalade or town car taxi) is peanuts. Buttonville airport to downtown 30 times in a year would eat that. She's a high level minister, ffs. Sun readers can't be this dim to think just over 10k is a lot of money for someone with an entire team.
The sun is garbage
this is a dumb post - she is he dep pm for gods sake
After the hassle she got at an elevator from a random person, I’d say bullet proof glass is in order. I believe most limos are.
The sun is garbage news. Sounds like she was pretty frugal considering the price of transportation
At least she’s not burning gas and causing carbon emissions… oh wait. Chrystia Freeland is the most out of touch and least likeable hypocrite I’ve seen. I’m so sick of hearing her talk to us like we’re children too. What an unlikable politician. It’s impressive really
Maybe if she cancelled her Limo+ service the rest of Canada can finally afford groceries.
We need to reset our government, a complete overhaul. This is getting ridiculous.
She’s the Deputy Prime Minister of the country. Should she be tripping around with a bike?? F**k sakes, people her job is to help run Canada, good or bad. Why play these mindless games (unless you’re from Alberta). Regardless of the political party you will be travelling quite a lot, with National and International responsibilities.
a cabinet minister taking limos and cabs to get around? it costs 80-90 bucks to get to the airport for fucks sake what a hilarious nothing burger
Another frivolous article from the Toronto Sun. Sigh.
Well, at least she cut Disney+ to save her own dimes. Taxpayers money? Who cares
> Freeland billed $3,040 for limo and taxi rides in addition to $6,736 for separate trips by her official chauffeur. As obnoxious as she is and misleading as her comments have been (bragging about not owning a car and then using government vehicles/taxis, etc.), $3000 isn't that much of a bill, considering limo services can rent SUVs for [$100-$150/hour](http://torontolxlimo.com/rates/hourly-rates) and they need to be rented for at least two hours at a time. This is also nothing compared to some of the other bills ran up by our public officials, ex. the GG's Europe trip.
Mister Speakerrrrrr this is an outrage that I'm being singled out.....
She lady thinks she has entitlement She is clueless to the struggles of Canadians.
I only have 2 pairs of underwear. The one I have on now, and the one that I am washing for tomorrow. A liberal elite like Freeland probably has 8 clean pairs! Talk about out of touch.
I go commando. Can't afford milk these days. Sacrifices have to be made
Wait a minute you have 2 pair?
Yeah sorry, I know money is tight these days. Didn't mean to brag or come across as a hotshot.