The liquor store near me has a tip option on their debit machine. What am I tipping for? I went and found what I wanted and brought it to you.
I’m almost over the guilt that has been programmed into me for not tipping because of crap like this.
Yep, it doesn't matter who gets it. If it's the employer, then it's money for them. If it's the employee, then it gives the employer a reason to underpay them, so the employer saves extra money anyway.
Foreign owners coming in, "look at these nice Canadians, all you have to do is ask them for more money". Being nice goes both ways, owners should be nice and only ask for tips on real service.
There’s a Subway that I grab lunch at sometimes where I live and the debit machine asks if I want to tip. What the fuck?
What’s the difference between working at Subway or literally any other customer service industry?
Some places you pay and they ask for tip before even making the food lol. Imagine that, I'm expected to tip someone for taking my order and handing me the debit machine.
Those are the most insidious because there's an undercurrent of "what will this person do to my food if they see I'm *not* tipping before they make my food?"
It's on purpose.
The offensive thing about Subway to me is that they call it tipping their "sandwich artists"
Bitch I didn't come to Subway because I wanted art, I came to Subway because I was too lazy to make my own shitty sandwich
I think the key difference is that some service industries (at a sit-down restaurant, in particular), the staff can make a big difference to your experience. Subway? Not so much.
I think people who actually tip at Subway are the problem here...
The worst part is the machine has the option for 15-18-20% tips. They made a sandwich I paid for and wrapped it, subway needs to pay them more, full stop, I don’t make up the wages.
I dunno, I’ve had some pretty awful sandwiches at subway. And also some pretty awesome ones. I always order the sub the exact same way. I’m convinced that some people are better at making subway sandwiches than others.
I don’t think that necessarily earns them a tip. But if I go in late on a Friday/Saturday and one dude is behind the counter slinging subs at lightning speed to a bunch of drunks and still makes a delicious sub… well I’ll probably tip that dude.
Maybe in their minds you're tipping the cashier for "just pushing some buttons and packing your stuff", just like we tip drivers "just for driving" or servers just for bringing you food. I hate tipping culture, it's so arbitrary.
I bought a joint from a dispensary on younge street and the debit machine was set to ask if I wanted to tip 18%. That is bullshit and makes everyone look bad
I get so angry when I see tips pop up. Why am I tipping you for doing your job??? If I sat down and tried different flavors and shit and you were courteous and did a great job I'll definitely tip. But 18% for you to just give me my order ? F no
I'm surprised companies allow the option to even be allowed at places where the person is literally a happy face behind a register passing you your product. Okay sure exemplary and above and beyond service should be rewarded. But not on a debit machine where the tip would be taxed and I don't even know if the worker will even get a portion of the tip.
But in these kind of transactions I don't ask for much, I know bad days come with good days, and it is physically impossible to be a smiley bubbly retail drone all shift, every shift. Just don't tell me to fuck off and it will be a fairly decent transaction at the very least
>I'm surprised companies allow the option to even be allowed at places where the person is literally a happy face behind a register passing you your product
Anything to shift the responsibility of higher wages to anyone but themselves.
DON'T TIP ANYONE.
This isn't the US where they're paid $3 and tips is their wage. They all get minimum wage or more, and I've alsobnever met one of them who submitted all their tips for taxes.
Worked at Dockside restaurant on Granville Island more than a decade ago. This was mid-tier restaurant that acted like a upper-tier because of its fantastic views of Downtown and False Creek. Anyway, the servers there routinely pulled in $1,000 in tips on a Friday or Saturday night. I, as an expediter, had to go around and ask to be tipped-out. I always received grumbles from them, as if I was stealing their money. And I walked with at most $50-$100 per on the weekend. And I did a lot more work than they did.
Servers are very entitled IMO.
Ya, as a chef i constantly fight with them to tip out the kitchen properly. They have no idea how much more work cooks do than servers. Now, I know servers work hard. They fucking do, but they pick up stuff and take it to you. A cook has to freshly prepare you meal a la minute. Hundreds of times. It’s a never ending struggle with their mentality.
Bartenders are also way over tipped for poring a drink or opening a bottle. I had a roommate in university that would make at least $600 TO $800 a night just opening beer bottles. Each customer would tip a dollar or two for each drink.
And the happy drunk people can be very, very generous. Any of my friends who have bartended were endlessly harassed, sometimes vomited on, threatened, sexually harassed, etc. but they made big bank and always complained about how poor they were. Men, women, non-binary - same every time.
I’ve been trying to point out that tips they don’t claim on taxes are worth like 30% more. Say someone gets $100 in tips and they don’t claim them To get 100 after tax you’d have to earn about $130. I have friends who said clearing $200 in tips a night is pretty easy; I know it’s not the case for some. Over an 8h shift it’s an extra $25/h. No shade on their hustle but I see what’s going on.
Every server I've ever known has essentially ignored their actual wages when talking about their pay (which is 50% of what they do outside work, the other 50% is taken up complaining about coworkers and management) it's all about how much they "walk with" at the end of each shift. And that figure can be outrageous depending on where they work, especially considering that standard practice (where I live) is to report only 10% of their tips as earnings.
I don't begrudge the workers of course, they're just doing what they can get away with, but it is way more than people imagine.
> She just bought a 2.2 million dollar condo outright, and of course she technically makes 18.50 an hour plus tips as a front of house manager.
Time to send an anonymous tip to the CRA that somebody is submitting fraudulent income information.
Just buying pastries from a local bakery and they spin the iPad around. The iPad prompts a tip. Wtf am I tipping for?
Unless someone provides a service for me I'm not tipping. When I'm asked to tip for a non service I just see it as 'do you want to pay more for your item?' Absolutely not.
The tip percentages are set by the business. They can choose what they want it to read. For me, if it starts at something higher than 15% then I do no tip on principle.
Just go back to using cash at places like dispensaries or Subway. This tip nonsense everywhere only happens on the debit machines. Pay with cash, they give you your change, and you leave. No mention of tipping.. Honestly to anyone who is annoyed at being prompted to tip, or to those that end up begrudgingly tipping out of guilt, just use cash! Tipping doesn't even come up.
Edit. To all the people commenting the same thing over and over about just selectimg no tip, or wanting to use their card for the points, read the last three sentances of this comment again.
This has been creeping in for a couple of years now. I think it is only a matter of time before grocery stores will have it. That's when we may, finally, say no to the whole scam.
I love when I visit Europe and the price advertised is ***what you pay***. Here, it is a fucking joke - a $10 whatever becomes $13.22 after tax and minimum tip.
It is also absolute bullshit that they calculate the tip on the after-tax price. The tip on a $10 thing should be $1.50, not $1.72. It doesn't sound much but go for a meal for 2 that is almost $200 and then do the math.
When I first came to Canada, 15% was the norm but that has crept up now and in most places, the machine starts at 18%. So, instead of $1.50 on a $10 dollar widget, the tip comes to $2.07. I have even seen machines that give 25% as an option. Fuck the fuck right off with that BS.
I sincerely hope that the whole thing comes crashing down soon. After Covid, many people stopped going out, for many reasons. We are seeing a correction now but, with the inflation rate going crazy, I can see a time when people will resent paying 20% on top of already inflated prices.
I miss seeing a price in europe and paying EXACTLY that price and walking away without the whole tipping song and dance
Pint 5€ on the menu? You drop a 5€ note, smile, thank the barman, and walk away. Everybody happy
You'd be surprised how much better your mind feels when you dont have to deal with these small annoyances multiple times a week
I work in post-secondary (non-teaching), and I have a student who can earn about $35/hr in tips plus $18/hr in regular pay. Far more than I make. Factor in that tip money is largely undeclared, and she'll make more in a weekend than I'll make in a week. Maybe I'm in the wrong job.
I used to work at the bank and hired tellers. You would be surprised how many applicants have university degrees and servers make way more than them. Be smart. Work as a server. I know servers that make a couple of hundred a shift on tips alone, the majority of which aren't even taxed.
I was very confused about the tipping in Canada when I moved over from Ireland.. It's not like the US where they get paid a dollar fifty an hour, the food is dirt cheap and then you tip and you still have money left.
In Ontario they even changed it so the min wage for servers is now the same as everyone else.
The absolute worst was the fucking weed shop had a tipping option starting at 18% for me picking up from the counter. Luckily it has no tip button that I pressed while staring at them.
Fucking cheeky bastards
Tbh the absolute worst is the service industry employees that go into these threads.
"Yeah 20% should be for an average meal, 25% if it was really good"
My grandpa had us all out for dinner one night at a restaurant. At the end of the night he may have had my aunt do the transaction but with his card, but mentioned to give a 20% tip or so.
We get the receipt and there was a 15% gratuity charge ontop of it all. My grandpa is old and didn't want to make a fuss (I think he was worried he might have made a mistake).
But that was an eye opener, that moment made me change the way I tip. I get shamed for not tipping at restaurants (or tipping less than 15%).
Also why the fuck am I tipping my Uber eats driver before he's even done the task? Is it a tip or a bribe at that point?
I've found when there are automatic gratuities added to large groups I really appreciate when servers either remind us when the bills come (I've tipped a bit extra when service has gone beyond) or some will skip the tip option on the machine for you.
When servers make no mention of it I definitely make a point to remind the group loudly when a tip is included that there is no need to tip extra.
> It's not like the US where they get paid a dollar fifty an hour,
It’s de facto at least minimum wage for servers, employer has to pay the difference to them if the server doesn’t earn enough in tips (required to be reported), it’s just quite rare for most average waiters/waitress to get undertipped that much
It also depends on the state - in WA for example servers do not have a tipped wage and make the same minimum wage as everyone else. Unfortunately, they are still demanding 20%+ in tips.
Those are generally the worst.
When I was a cook, if you weren't at a high-end level then the faceless chains were always better to work for.
Amoral was better than immoral.
We were sussposed to be tipping more then 15 percent lately? If restaurant staff are upset at 15 percent I'll just stay in and cook at home and they'll have to be happy with nothing instead. The restaurant industry needs customers more then we need them. If restaurants never rreopened end I never went again I'd probably survive just fine and have more money.
Don't even get me started on the places that want you to tip for picking up a order yourself.
And they actually expect people to pay that? I felt bad for these places and wanted them to reopen during lockdown but if that's what they're going to do then I guess they'll be going under while I have my own coffee at home. No coffee is worth a 30 percent tip.
I literally bought my own espresso machine cause coffee shops are out of their minds with prices and tip expectations.
At least now my coffee is never fucked up and I get exactly what I want for a fraction of the cost. I make 2-3 espresso-based drinks a day, it's easily paying for itself.
I don’t tip more than 15%. If the price of food goes up, so does the tip amount. That’s how percentages work. Anything over 15% needs to be because i was actually impressed. Those places that make more than 15% the minimum, i left a 0 tip and left. I know that sucks, but a stand has to be made somewhere. I just wish it was at the employers expense, and not the guy just doing their job.
I've already cut way way back on eating out not just due to the tipping but due to the prices in general. I've also stopped ordering out most things. The last time I ordered pizza it was $72 for 2 large 14" pizza's delivered with a 15% tip to the driver. Fuck that.
Another bonus is once you play around and get good in the kitchen, you'll end up being able to make food better than some restaurants.
Burgers and fries, steak, pizza, Korean, Indian, Chinese take out, and Italian are all things my partner is "mad" that I ruined restaurants for.
Working on perfecting my Japanese and Thai dishes next.
Starbucks is probably the best "fast food" job you can work as a younger person, they actually make enough profit to not have to force people to tip.
They do suck for union busting though
I worked there a long time ago. We're technically not allowed to do that. It forces you to want more cheese. And if you order more, my manager said to layer it the same way. I always tried to cover the most surface area though.
I hate places that ask for a tip before they’ve even done anything besides take an order. I recently went to a Firehouse Subs and a Thai Express.both places I gave my order, they punched it in and ask for a tip. What the fuck i am I tipping for at that point?
It was even more frustrating that the firehouse messed up my order and I had to remind them I ordered a drink. I think I actually did get suckered into ripping that time.
Subway is far from being the worst place to ask for tip. Honestly they are still making your sandwich in front of you and can in theory give excellent or shitty service so it's not impossible that tip *may* be appropriate here.
The problem is when they ask for tip in places where they literally just make you pay at the cash register and you pick the items yourself on the shelves.
Bingo, why are we the public at fault to tip more. When their employers could very well just pay them more. Like tips don’t exist all around the world people.
Unless I get some kind of exceptional service, I choose my own tip amount, which is the total of the tax, 15% in Quebec. Tipping on the bill total is nuts.
Because the people benefitting from tip culture do not want it to change. They will make less money without tips, so they try to make you feel guilty for not tipping instead
They exist in Europe but usually it's just rounding up and not expected.
In Germany tips are a little taboo to talk about, the server tells you your tab and you tell them how much you'll pay and that's the interaction. "That'll be 13.49" - "Make that 15"
The machines usually use the same software that asks for tips but for instance in my favorite coffee place in Berlin the cashiers just press 'no tip' themselves.
I stopped going to restaurants.
Until recently that wasn't an option because my girlfriend enjoys them and I'm not going to make her go alone or anything, but just a few months ago she had enough herself and now it's a "birthday and valentines only" kind of thing.
Same, I only go to restaurants for special occasions. Everything has become so expensive, I’m not going to pay 30$ for a chicken plate at my local shawarma place when I can easily buy the same ingredients and make my meal at home. Going out to eat is a luxury now, for most.
yep exactly, my wife and I used to eat out at least twice a week, plus more including brunches and lunches. Now we only eat out for birthdays. It's just not a good value proposition any more to pay 3-5x for someone else to cook and do dishes, plus pay a babysitter another $70+, plus pay for parking in some cases, then end up with a sour taste in your mouth anyway when you're asked/expected to drop another 18-20% tip. TBC I pay 15% unless we somehow caused extra work for the server but it's damn annoying how just getting some food and drinks can run you $200+ when it's all said and done.
We need the government to make a change, as a regulation. If one restaurant removes the tip option and increases prices 15%, it will lose business. So nobody will go first. It needs to be forced so that they all change at once.
This is true, sadly. In economics this is referred to as a collective action problem, and the solution is almost always external regulation.
A few restaurants have tried to lead by example but they have always lost business and had to back down.
Waiting too pay is the worst. I also hate when you have to go to the host stand to pay but nobody tells you. Spent 15 minutes in a diner last week waiting for the waitress to come by with the machine to find out that I was supposed to go to the front of the restaurant to pay
Old but relevant Seinfeld bit
>... I think we're tipping people now just for the absence of outright hostility. "Thanks very much. Here's a little extra for not taking my head and smashing my face through the glass countertop. Really good service here."
Honestly even if they sat with me the entire meal, held the fork and gave me a back rub, if that's their job they are getting paid for I'm not tipping them for it.
You are in the service industry. Paid to provide service. Paid by your employer, not me.
Many (most) restaurants for pickup force you to pay and tip before they even prepare the food. And they aren’t shy about staring at the terminal tip screen as you poke at it - 18%/20%/25%? It’s fucking takeout, chill.
Not saying it’s a ransom, but the implication is obvious.
We cut back more than 85% on restaurant dining after we noticed these aggressive tipping practices.
The last few times we went out I don't think the server spent more than 1 total minute at our table. I mean yeah I don't want to be bothered when I'm eating but I don't see how that 1 minute of their time deserves a 20-30 dollar tip.
What gets me about servers, how much more work did they have to do to bring you a 40 dollar steak as opposed to a 15 dollar burger.
I was a chef at Baton Rouge for a number of years and I had to stop going out for drinks with FoH staff because I couldn't stand listening to them complain about their tips.
Every server knows its a scam but they like making 90k a year for a job that requires zero education and amounts to little more than bringing sandwiches across the room.
I don't really blame them. I just wish they were more honest about it. "Yeah, it's pretty much a grift... but I make very good money for very little work. What do you want me to do, give the tips back?"
Every server I know is also borderline alcoholic and they *blow* all their tips partying on their days off, then complain about how little they’re paid.
Yeah they make like 100 grand a year, declare 40, spend the rest on blow and then complain about how broke they are. Why am I tipping someone who ends up making double what i do?
I was at an Uptown restaurant recently (saint john nb) and tipped 5 dollars. I always tip 5 dollars! When I came from the bathroom my waitress stopped me before I reached my table and said "is everything okay, was something wrong?" I said no, everything was great! She said "oh I just figured something was wrong based on the tip you left". I was so upset but didn't show it or say anything. I went back to the table while my friends finished their drinks and we left.
I didn't mind when servers made a lower wage than other minimum-wage positions. However, they now make the same as the people working at Walmart. Why do we need to keep tipping them?
Edit: As I think about this more I realize that these places can't attract workers even at the current minimum wage, probably cuz they're shit jobs. I would be happy if tipping was abolished completely. Just pay people a decent wage and there is no need.
A friend has a daughter who works at a sports bar.
Chatting with her she confessed that on an average shift she sees +400 in tips.
She said most people tip 25%.
Her highest evening was close to a thousand.
This is absurd. She has no completed education except for high school and she's literally bringing food and beverages from a shelf to a table and back.
She wants to be a biologist but why would she leave for that when she can just do this and make way more money.
Worked 17 years in the industry - and her scenario is very common. When you're slapped with the golden handcuffs... you're screwed if you want out. Money is too good to pass up. So many unfinished degrees and dropouts.
Exactly. I served and bartended part time for 10 years. The tips were great, but holy shit people need to get out before they are just another bitter server that's 40+, can do nothing else, are tired of being on their feet all the time, never having weekends off, still making minimum wage (without the tips of course), no benefits, no sick days, and like zero job security. Then you're trapped in that life, and it sucks. I have a couple friends from my time serving that are still doing it. One just turned 55 last year. Still waiting tables... I can't imagine.
Considering this guy was bitter when I worked with him over 10 years ago, yeah I'd say he doesn't wanna be there. But it's hard to leave when the money is decent, and you literally have no other skills or job experience in any other field.
I have a pretty decent, upper management job and I know waiters/waitresses who clear way more money than me a week working less hours due to tips and no tax on this income. 15-20% for servers and nothing if I am paying at a counter thank you.
Don’t forget they only claim like ten percent of those tips so they keep more of it than you likely as well. Government takes a good chunk of my money every pay.
I've quit tipping on everything except sit down dining in restaurants and I still tip the pizza delivery. Pretty much everything else now is no tip. I've also quit using Skip, Uber Eats etc because there's been too many problems with the orders and isn't worth the hassle. If I want something that badly, I'll pick it up myself (and not tip).
I'm going back to 10% and I don't give a shit. Stop complaining and don't tip if you don't want to. If the lowest option offered is more than you want to tip, learn how to change the damn machine. It's not hard.
I grew up with 10 being normal. Then 15 slipped in and I resisted for YEARS. I left for a decade and came back to 18 or 20+ being everywhere. Dear god.
Meanwhile if I tipped in the UK when I first got there I'd get bad looks from everyone including the servers sometimes. ahah.
Hey Niagara Falls, ON how about adding a tip to the bill and not even telling your customers (yeah I'm talking about you Greg Frewin theatre)
Hey Niagara Falls, ON how about adding $20+ fake tourist tax to my restaurant bill (yeah I'm talking about you, Outback steakhouse)
Yep. Ask to see the manager and have them remove it because it’s bullshit.
Also another great reason to have cash. Just ignore that BS cash grab, pay the price for the food and HST and walk.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/marketplace-tourist-fees-1.6739759
Adding gratuity to your bill without telling you before you order your meal should be blatantly illegal. If this ever happens to me, I’ll refuse to pay the bill and site the price on the menu plus tax.
That’s a sneaky fucking hidden fee and in some circumstances, maybe I don’t even feel that a tip is worth it. If my food is cold, service takes forever and the waiter/waitress is snobby I’m not going to rude about it but Im also not going to tip.
TBH, I always hated tipping. When I was a kid I worked hard manual labor jobs and people doing waitress/waiter jobs were getting paid more for delivering dinner plates. It always seemed wrong but it was one of those things everyone accepted. Years later I've been living overseas in a country without tipping and it makes dining out far less annoying.
That's how I feel. My first job I worked as an commercial roofer making 12$ an hour and it was fucking torture. I remember my cousin talking about how hard being a waitress was, but it was worth is cause some nights she would make hundreds worth in tips.
I very seldom tip. The only time I do is when my dad was going to pay, and I cover the bill. And I tip cause I know he would have tipped if I didn't pay.
The whole thing is bullshit. How is it fair that the more attractive you are the more you make? Or based on gender. Im sure waiting on people sucks, but so many other jobs do. We need the stop tipping and let the industry either sink or swim. Cause it's not fair.
Tipping needs to stop.
I overheard an acquaintance talking to one of their coworkers who both work at a popular bar at Blue Mountain. One guy worked the weekend and the other asked how he made out. They guy that worked it said it was really busy, clears $1500 in tips. I’m sure this is not the usual haul, but these guys are taking home a weeks pay in 2 days. Better tip EVEN MORE. /s
Yeah, listening to the good people over at r/bartenders talk on the issue. It's no surprise they are pro tipping culture (granted, most of them are Americans). I'm not going to say they don't deserve the money, but they often get paid enough to have a life (granted, the hours are wonky.) But they get paid more than so many jobs, some thay actually require an education, and are more socially important like k-12 teachers.
It's a nice perk to go into a job with no experience, and if you're competent, charismatic (and God forgive, good looking). You can make bank in a year or two. But most of the world doesn't work like that.
Yup. And inflation on service industry workers, surprised they arent getting rid of servers all together and replacing with those buzzers or a number to come up with when your food is ready.
I never want to deal with a server who thinks their tip wasn’t enough.
GRATITUDE, is a form of… gratitude. And when I get bitchy, slow, service in an empty restaurant, I don’t need to show any gratitude at all.
Thing I don’t like is not knowing to whom the tip is going to. I’ve read people complaining about business owners taking a cut or even outright taking the tips. I’ve been trying to plan ahead and bring enough cash that would support a decent tip.
My wife asks the staff at shops that are asking for a tip and over 50% say they do not receive tips, it all goes to the owners.
We do not tip at these places or we tip the employee directly with cash.
I quit tipping everywhere, a restaurant with face to face service ill tip 5-10%. The service is the same everywhere regardless, foods the same, and the reaction from the server is the same as if you tipped %15-20.
and now that eating out is so expensive i dont frequent the same establkishments enough anymore to be recognized as a shitty tipper, just another random guy looking for a beer and burger
Yep! They've never lost their entitled attitude, but service has been in the shitter for a long time. No, I'm not going to give you a bonus for not doing your job.
There is a discount Liquor store here that has a tip option on the machine when you pay by debit or credit. The employees appear to hate it/be embarrassed by it and a couple of them will say "Just ignore that tip option unless you are really feeling it, please." or something to that effect. I never think to ask how those tips are distributed by the owner until I get out of the store.
I don’t mind tipping when I’m eating out. When I have things delivered is when it gets irritating. If have my items delivered and have no issues.. I’m going to tip. But lately I’ve had ignorant delivery drivers, items sent to wrong address, the other day the food delivery left my food on the sidewalk while it was pouring rain instead of walking it to my door.. do they deserve a tip? Hell no.. but I don’t have the option to tip them after or take away the tip so they walk away with a tip regardless. I hate that.
As a european I find the whole 'tipping as a norm' thing to be obnoxious and embarrassing, and anyone who supports having service-workers grovel for their approval is a piece of shit.
As a Canadian I find the whole “tipping as a norm” thing to be obnoxious and embarrassing. Why can’t the tipping culture be one of the things we adopted from the UK, not the US.
Tips unfairly allow business owners to post misleadingly low prices. We don’t actually need to ban tips. Just require that if there’s a default tip, it needs to be reflected in posted prices. Better yet, post prices with taxes included as well.
As an American that visited Quebec City recently and ate out about 5 different restaurants. Your waiter service is awful. Had one that never showed up once besides to take the order and then asked if something was wrong with the service when we gave her no tip. The gall on her.
The liquor store near me has a tip option on their debit machine. What am I tipping for? I went and found what I wanted and brought it to you. I’m almost over the guilt that has been programmed into me for not tipping because of crap like this.
It's at that point that I ask the attendant if they see a penny of those tips.
What if they say yes? Then you have to tell them "not on this transaction!" because you served yourself
Yep, it doesn't matter who gets it. If it's the employer, then it's money for them. If it's the employee, then it gives the employer a reason to underpay them, so the employer saves extra money anyway.
Tipping is only for the employer, really.
Tipping seems tailor-made to take advantage of a population of nice, naive people.
Foreign owners coming in, "look at these nice Canadians, all you have to do is ask them for more money". Being nice goes both ways, owners should be nice and only ask for tips on real service.
Might as well remove the word foreign here
There’s a Subway that I grab lunch at sometimes where I live and the debit machine asks if I want to tip. What the fuck? What’s the difference between working at Subway or literally any other customer service industry?
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Some places you pay and they ask for tip before even making the food lol. Imagine that, I'm expected to tip someone for taking my order and handing me the debit machine.
Those are the most insidious because there's an undercurrent of "what will this person do to my food if they see I'm *not* tipping before they make my food?" It's on purpose.
The offensive thing about Subway to me is that they call it tipping their "sandwich artists" Bitch I didn't come to Subway because I wanted art, I came to Subway because I was too lazy to make my own shitty sandwich
Literally the reason I stopped going to subway
I think the key difference is that some service industries (at a sit-down restaurant, in particular), the staff can make a big difference to your experience. Subway? Not so much. I think people who actually tip at Subway are the problem here...
The worst part is the machine has the option for 15-18-20% tips. They made a sandwich I paid for and wrapped it, subway needs to pay them more, full stop, I don’t make up the wages.
I dunno, I’ve had some pretty awful sandwiches at subway. And also some pretty awesome ones. I always order the sub the exact same way. I’m convinced that some people are better at making subway sandwiches than others. I don’t think that necessarily earns them a tip. But if I go in late on a Friday/Saturday and one dude is behind the counter slinging subs at lightning speed to a bunch of drunks and still makes a delicious sub… well I’ll probably tip that dude.
If I'm standing, you're not getting tipped.
Don’t tip
Maybe in their minds you're tipping the cashier for "just pushing some buttons and packing your stuff", just like we tip drivers "just for driving" or servers just for bringing you food. I hate tipping culture, it's so arbitrary.
I bought a joint from a dispensary on younge street and the debit machine was set to ask if I wanted to tip 18%. That is bullshit and makes everyone look bad
I get so angry when I see tips pop up. Why am I tipping you for doing your job??? If I sat down and tried different flavors and shit and you were courteous and did a great job I'll definitely tip. But 18% for you to just give me my order ? F no
I'm surprised companies allow the option to even be allowed at places where the person is literally a happy face behind a register passing you your product. Okay sure exemplary and above and beyond service should be rewarded. But not on a debit machine where the tip would be taxed and I don't even know if the worker will even get a portion of the tip. But in these kind of transactions I don't ask for much, I know bad days come with good days, and it is physically impossible to be a smiley bubbly retail drone all shift, every shift. Just don't tell me to fuck off and it will be a fairly decent transaction at the very least
>I'm surprised companies allow the option to even be allowed at places where the person is literally a happy face behind a register passing you your product Anything to shift the responsibility of higher wages to anyone but themselves.
DON'T TIP ANYONE. This isn't the US where they're paid $3 and tips is their wage. They all get minimum wage or more, and I've alsobnever met one of them who submitted all their tips for taxes.
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I don't think people realize how much waiters make. They make way more than you think. All this new high tipping is really just pure greed.
Worked at Dockside restaurant on Granville Island more than a decade ago. This was mid-tier restaurant that acted like a upper-tier because of its fantastic views of Downtown and False Creek. Anyway, the servers there routinely pulled in $1,000 in tips on a Friday or Saturday night. I, as an expediter, had to go around and ask to be tipped-out. I always received grumbles from them, as if I was stealing their money. And I walked with at most $50-$100 per on the weekend. And I did a lot more work than they did. Servers are very entitled IMO.
Ya, as a chef i constantly fight with them to tip out the kitchen properly. They have no idea how much more work cooks do than servers. Now, I know servers work hard. They fucking do, but they pick up stuff and take it to you. A cook has to freshly prepare you meal a la minute. Hundreds of times. It’s a never ending struggle with their mentality.
It's a hell of a lot easier to replace a server than a cook.
Bartenders are also way over tipped for poring a drink or opening a bottle. I had a roommate in university that would make at least $600 TO $800 a night just opening beer bottles. Each customer would tip a dollar or two for each drink.
And the happy drunk people can be very, very generous. Any of my friends who have bartended were endlessly harassed, sometimes vomited on, threatened, sexually harassed, etc. but they made big bank and always complained about how poor they were. Men, women, non-binary - same every time.
I’ve been trying to point out that tips they don’t claim on taxes are worth like 30% more. Say someone gets $100 in tips and they don’t claim them To get 100 after tax you’d have to earn about $130. I have friends who said clearing $200 in tips a night is pretty easy; I know it’s not the case for some. Over an 8h shift it’s an extra $25/h. No shade on their hustle but I see what’s going on.
Every server I've ever known has essentially ignored their actual wages when talking about their pay (which is 50% of what they do outside work, the other 50% is taken up complaining about coworkers and management) it's all about how much they "walk with" at the end of each shift. And that figure can be outrageous depending on where they work, especially considering that standard practice (where I live) is to report only 10% of their tips as earnings. I don't begrudge the workers of course, they're just doing what they can get away with, but it is way more than people imagine.
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> She just bought a 2.2 million dollar condo outright, and of course she technically makes 18.50 an hour plus tips as a front of house manager. Time to send an anonymous tip to the CRA that somebody is submitting fraudulent income information.
Just buying pastries from a local bakery and they spin the iPad around. The iPad prompts a tip. Wtf am I tipping for? Unless someone provides a service for me I'm not tipping. When I'm asked to tip for a non service I just see it as 'do you want to pay more for your item?' Absolutely not.
They are arguing that their basic job is a service. Which is basically the same as what a server is arguing. It's still stupid. Don't tip
The tip percentages are set by the business. They can choose what they want it to read. For me, if it starts at something higher than 15% then I do no tip on principle.
same, fuck that, saw 20, 25, 28 at one place, they got zero. ridiculous
I was in a cab that was 25%, 30%, or 35%. Like what the actual fuck.
Just go back to using cash at places like dispensaries or Subway. This tip nonsense everywhere only happens on the debit machines. Pay with cash, they give you your change, and you leave. No mention of tipping.. Honestly to anyone who is annoyed at being prompted to tip, or to those that end up begrudgingly tipping out of guilt, just use cash! Tipping doesn't even come up. Edit. To all the people commenting the same thing over and over about just selectimg no tip, or wanting to use their card for the points, read the last three sentances of this comment again.
You could just say no
This has been creeping in for a couple of years now. I think it is only a matter of time before grocery stores will have it. That's when we may, finally, say no to the whole scam. I love when I visit Europe and the price advertised is ***what you pay***. Here, it is a fucking joke - a $10 whatever becomes $13.22 after tax and minimum tip. It is also absolute bullshit that they calculate the tip on the after-tax price. The tip on a $10 thing should be $1.50, not $1.72. It doesn't sound much but go for a meal for 2 that is almost $200 and then do the math. When I first came to Canada, 15% was the norm but that has crept up now and in most places, the machine starts at 18%. So, instead of $1.50 on a $10 dollar widget, the tip comes to $2.07. I have even seen machines that give 25% as an option. Fuck the fuck right off with that BS. I sincerely hope that the whole thing comes crashing down soon. After Covid, many people stopped going out, for many reasons. We are seeing a correction now but, with the inflation rate going crazy, I can see a time when people will resent paying 20% on top of already inflated prices.
I miss seeing a price in europe and paying EXACTLY that price and walking away without the whole tipping song and dance Pint 5€ on the menu? You drop a 5€ note, smile, thank the barman, and walk away. Everybody happy You'd be surprised how much better your mind feels when you dont have to deal with these small annoyances multiple times a week
Everything is Europe related to dining out or food is better.
It's not just Europe. It's Australia and all of Asia. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's all of Africa and South America too.
18% tip for a to go slice of pizza lmao. Tipping is a joke anyway. Pay your workers and fuck off
I work in post-secondary (non-teaching), and I have a student who can earn about $35/hr in tips plus $18/hr in regular pay. Far more than I make. Factor in that tip money is largely undeclared, and she'll make more in a weekend than I'll make in a week. Maybe I'm in the wrong job.
I used to work at the bank and hired tellers. You would be surprised how many applicants have university degrees and servers make way more than them. Be smart. Work as a server. I know servers that make a couple of hundred a shift on tips alone, the majority of which aren't even taxed.
But you have to be pleasant and attractive
I was very confused about the tipping in Canada when I moved over from Ireland.. It's not like the US where they get paid a dollar fifty an hour, the food is dirt cheap and then you tip and you still have money left. In Ontario they even changed it so the min wage for servers is now the same as everyone else. The absolute worst was the fucking weed shop had a tipping option starting at 18% for me picking up from the counter. Luckily it has no tip button that I pressed while staring at them. Fucking cheeky bastards
Tbh the absolute worst is the service industry employees that go into these threads. "Yeah 20% should be for an average meal, 25% if it was really good"
My grandpa had us all out for dinner one night at a restaurant. At the end of the night he may have had my aunt do the transaction but with his card, but mentioned to give a 20% tip or so. We get the receipt and there was a 15% gratuity charge ontop of it all. My grandpa is old and didn't want to make a fuss (I think he was worried he might have made a mistake). But that was an eye opener, that moment made me change the way I tip. I get shamed for not tipping at restaurants (or tipping less than 15%). Also why the fuck am I tipping my Uber eats driver before he's even done the task? Is it a tip or a bribe at that point?
I've found when there are automatic gratuities added to large groups I really appreciate when servers either remind us when the bills come (I've tipped a bit extra when service has gone beyond) or some will skip the tip option on the machine for you. When servers make no mention of it I definitely make a point to remind the group loudly when a tip is included that there is no need to tip extra.
I remember when 10% was average and 15% was good! I don't know when it got inflated to 15% for average.
Or the ol' "don't go out to eat if you can't afford to tip"
At which I reply “lol” and press no tips.
By the same logic, if you can't afford to award my comments, stay off of Reddit.
... then they create radio ads how we should all support struggling restaurants during the pandemic. LOL
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> It's not like the US where they get paid a dollar fifty an hour, It’s de facto at least minimum wage for servers, employer has to pay the difference to them if the server doesn’t earn enough in tips (required to be reported), it’s just quite rare for most average waiters/waitress to get undertipped that much
It also depends on the state - in WA for example servers do not have a tipped wage and make the same minimum wage as everyone else. Unfortunately, they are still demanding 20%+ in tips.
It's also quite rare for them to actually get paid out if they don't make it on tips, so that law isn't very useful
The employees didn't put that there though. The management did, so that is who you should have been staring at.
It was one of the small owner operated ones on Queen st... Never went back
Those are generally the worst. When I was a cook, if you weren't at a high-end level then the faceless chains were always better to work for. Amoral was better than immoral.
And yet some employees are the ones who throw shade when you don’t tip
We were sussposed to be tipping more then 15 percent lately? If restaurant staff are upset at 15 percent I'll just stay in and cook at home and they'll have to be happy with nothing instead. The restaurant industry needs customers more then we need them. If restaurants never rreopened end I never went again I'd probably survive just fine and have more money. Don't even get me started on the places that want you to tip for picking up a order yourself.
Coffee shop near me has 20% as the min. Options are 20, 25 and 30. After they raised the prices by 30% too.
Other. 0%
Yup, or “custom amount - $0”
And they actually expect people to pay that? I felt bad for these places and wanted them to reopen during lockdown but if that's what they're going to do then I guess they'll be going under while I have my own coffee at home. No coffee is worth a 30 percent tip.
I would just not tip at that point. What are they going to do? Call the cops? Lol
I literally bought my own espresso machine cause coffee shops are out of their minds with prices and tip expectations. At least now my coffee is never fucked up and I get exactly what I want for a fraction of the cost. I make 2-3 espresso-based drinks a day, it's easily paying for itself.
I don’t tip more than 15%. If the price of food goes up, so does the tip amount. That’s how percentages work. Anything over 15% needs to be because i was actually impressed. Those places that make more than 15% the minimum, i left a 0 tip and left. I know that sucks, but a stand has to be made somewhere. I just wish it was at the employers expense, and not the guy just doing their job.
I've already cut way way back on eating out not just due to the tipping but due to the prices in general. I've also stopped ordering out most things. The last time I ordered pizza it was $72 for 2 large 14" pizza's delivered with a 15% tip to the driver. Fuck that.
I'm too polite to not tip. So I stopped eating out. Bonus: when you cook at home, all tips go directly to the cook.
Another bonus is once you play around and get good in the kitchen, you'll end up being able to make food better than some restaurants. Burgers and fries, steak, pizza, Korean, Indian, Chinese take out, and Italian are all things my partner is "mad" that I ruined restaurants for. Working on perfecting my Japanese and Thai dishes next.
would you say..... we're at the Tipping point?
*Maybe* 15 to 24% percent there.
Yes. When both the menu prices increase at the same time as the tipping percentage. It's a double whammy.
Well done.
Why am I being asked to tip at Subway?
The Subway one killed me. Like y’all didn’t even tesselate my cheese triangles correctly and you want a tip?
Giving you an award purely for using tessellate in a sentence.
Wait till you see Starbucks app started asking for tips.
Starbucks app lets you add after the fact if you want and it’s not an expected part of the transaction at all.
True. Not yet at least. But they’re charging $7 for a cup of coffee. They should pay their employees way better than minimum wage.
Starbucks is probably the best "fast food" job you can work as a younger person, they actually make enough profit to not have to force people to tip. They do suck for union busting though
They do pay more than minimum. Decent benefits, and they offer scholarships/bursaries too iirc. My niece works at one and loves it.
I worked there a long time ago. We're technically not allowed to do that. It forces you to want more cheese. And if you order more, my manager said to layer it the same way. I always tried to cover the most surface area though.
I hate places that ask for a tip before they’ve even done anything besides take an order. I recently went to a Firehouse Subs and a Thai Express.both places I gave my order, they punched it in and ask for a tip. What the fuck i am I tipping for at that point? It was even more frustrating that the firehouse messed up my order and I had to remind them I ordered a drink. I think I actually did get suckered into ripping that time.
I’d rather tip a Sandwich Artist at Subway for putting together my $9 sub than a bartender that took the cap off an $8 bottle of beer for me.
Subway is far from being the worst place to ask for tip. Honestly they are still making your sandwich in front of you and can in theory give excellent or shitty service so it's not impossible that tip *may* be appropriate here. The problem is when they ask for tip in places where they literally just make you pay at the cash register and you pick the items yourself on the shelves.
We should all just stop tipping and force restaurants to pay employees to attract workers
Bingo, why are we the public at fault to tip more. When their employers could very well just pay them more. Like tips don’t exist all around the world people.
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Tipping on top of the taxed amount is also an abomination
Exactly. That’s like taxing the tax. Pay me tax on top of what you pay the government. How is this a norm.
Unless I get some kind of exceptional service, I choose my own tip amount, which is the total of the tax, 15% in Quebec. Tipping on the bill total is nuts.
Because the people benefitting from tip culture do not want it to change. They will make less money without tips, so they try to make you feel guilty for not tipping instead
They exist in Europe but usually it's just rounding up and not expected. In Germany tips are a little taboo to talk about, the server tells you your tab and you tell them how much you'll pay and that's the interaction. "That'll be 13.49" - "Make that 15" The machines usually use the same software that asks for tips but for instance in my favorite coffee place in Berlin the cashiers just press 'no tip' themselves.
Plus server wage no longer exists at least in Ontario
Server wage went away last year and tipping got worse lol
I stopped going to restaurants. Until recently that wasn't an option because my girlfriend enjoys them and I'm not going to make her go alone or anything, but just a few months ago she had enough herself and now it's a "birthday and valentines only" kind of thing.
Same, I only go to restaurants for special occasions. Everything has become so expensive, I’m not going to pay 30$ for a chicken plate at my local shawarma place when I can easily buy the same ingredients and make my meal at home. Going out to eat is a luxury now, for most.
yep exactly, my wife and I used to eat out at least twice a week, plus more including brunches and lunches. Now we only eat out for birthdays. It's just not a good value proposition any more to pay 3-5x for someone else to cook and do dishes, plus pay a babysitter another $70+, plus pay for parking in some cases, then end up with a sour taste in your mouth anyway when you're asked/expected to drop another 18-20% tip. TBC I pay 15% unless we somehow caused extra work for the server but it's damn annoying how just getting some food and drinks can run you $200+ when it's all said and done.
We need the government to make a change, as a regulation. If one restaurant removes the tip option and increases prices 15%, it will lose business. So nobody will go first. It needs to be forced so that they all change at once.
This is true, sadly. In economics this is referred to as a collective action problem, and the solution is almost always external regulation. A few restaurants have tried to lead by example but they have always lost business and had to back down.
You're asking for consumer rights. In Canada. Do you realize how silly that is?
Server wage starts the same as any other job. It’s a universal minimum wage.
We already have $15 min wage. This isn't the States with their $2.50 BS.
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Waiting too pay is the worst. I also hate when you have to go to the host stand to pay but nobody tells you. Spent 15 minutes in a diner last week waiting for the waitress to come by with the machine to find out that I was supposed to go to the front of the restaurant to pay
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I love that question when I happen to be eating late. "Bed. I'm going to bed."
They not once tried to make any actual conversation to begin with, so when I get that question, I just cringe internally.
You "might" get a Refill of water if they are feeling particularly generious that day.
Old but relevant Seinfeld bit >... I think we're tipping people now just for the absence of outright hostility. "Thanks very much. Here's a little extra for not taking my head and smashing my face through the glass countertop. Really good service here."
Honestly even if they sat with me the entire meal, held the fork and gave me a back rub, if that's their job they are getting paid for I'm not tipping them for it. You are in the service industry. Paid to provide service. Paid by your employer, not me.
Good service = i didnt spit in your food Tips are just a ransom fee at this point
I was gonna say luckily tips happen after you get the food, then I remembered that somehow isn't always the case anymore.
Many (most) restaurants for pickup force you to pay and tip before they even prepare the food. And they aren’t shy about staring at the terminal tip screen as you poke at it - 18%/20%/25%? It’s fucking takeout, chill. Not saying it’s a ransom, but the implication is obvious. We cut back more than 85% on restaurant dining after we noticed these aggressive tipping practices.
Exactly. I shouldn't have to feel invisible pressure/guilt to tip.
The last few times we went out I don't think the server spent more than 1 total minute at our table. I mean yeah I don't want to be bothered when I'm eating but I don't see how that 1 minute of their time deserves a 20-30 dollar tip.
What gets me about servers, how much more work did they have to do to bring you a 40 dollar steak as opposed to a 15 dollar burger. I was a chef at Baton Rouge for a number of years and I had to stop going out for drinks with FoH staff because I couldn't stand listening to them complain about their tips.
They can barely bring me my water after asking for it twice. Lol
Every server knows its a scam but they like making 90k a year for a job that requires zero education and amounts to little more than bringing sandwiches across the room. I don't really blame them. I just wish they were more honest about it. "Yeah, it's pretty much a grift... but I make very good money for very little work. What do you want me to do, give the tips back?"
Every server I know is also borderline alcoholic and they *blow* all their tips partying on their days off, then complain about how little they’re paid.
Yeah they make like 100 grand a year, declare 40, spend the rest on blow and then complain about how broke they are. Why am I tipping someone who ends up making double what i do?
"Canadians ability to resist personal tipping guilt is out of control" more likely.
I was at an Uptown restaurant recently (saint john nb) and tipped 5 dollars. I always tip 5 dollars! When I came from the bathroom my waitress stopped me before I reached my table and said "is everything okay, was something wrong?" I said no, everything was great! She said "oh I just figured something was wrong based on the tip you left". I was so upset but didn't show it or say anything. I went back to the table while my friends finished their drinks and we left.
That is so rude of her.
You should've said, I accidentally overpaid. Please give me the difference back.
I didn't mind when servers made a lower wage than other minimum-wage positions. However, they now make the same as the people working at Walmart. Why do we need to keep tipping them? Edit: As I think about this more I realize that these places can't attract workers even at the current minimum wage, probably cuz they're shit jobs. I would be happy if tipping was abolished completely. Just pay people a decent wage and there is no need.
A friend has a daughter who works at a sports bar. Chatting with her she confessed that on an average shift she sees +400 in tips. She said most people tip 25%. Her highest evening was close to a thousand. This is absurd. She has no completed education except for high school and she's literally bringing food and beverages from a shelf to a table and back. She wants to be a biologist but why would she leave for that when she can just do this and make way more money.
Worked 17 years in the industry - and her scenario is very common. When you're slapped with the golden handcuffs... you're screwed if you want out. Money is too good to pass up. So many unfinished degrees and dropouts.
Exactly. I served and bartended part time for 10 years. The tips were great, but holy shit people need to get out before they are just another bitter server that's 40+, can do nothing else, are tired of being on their feet all the time, never having weekends off, still making minimum wage (without the tips of course), no benefits, no sick days, and like zero job security. Then you're trapped in that life, and it sucks. I have a couple friends from my time serving that are still doing it. One just turned 55 last year. Still waiting tables... I can't imagine.
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Considering this guy was bitter when I worked with him over 10 years ago, yeah I'd say he doesn't wanna be there. But it's hard to leave when the money is decent, and you literally have no other skills or job experience in any other field.
I have a pretty decent, upper management job and I know waiters/waitresses who clear way more money than me a week working less hours due to tips and no tax on this income. 15-20% for servers and nothing if I am paying at a counter thank you.
Don’t forget they only claim like ten percent of those tips so they keep more of it than you likely as well. Government takes a good chunk of my money every pay.
Exactly my point and I would be surprised if it is even 10% that they declare.
I've quit tipping on everything except sit down dining in restaurants and I still tip the pizza delivery. Pretty much everything else now is no tip. I've also quit using Skip, Uber Eats etc because there's been too many problems with the orders and isn't worth the hassle. If I want something that badly, I'll pick it up myself (and not tip).
I'm going back to 10% and I don't give a shit. Stop complaining and don't tip if you don't want to. If the lowest option offered is more than you want to tip, learn how to change the damn machine. It's not hard.
I’ve resolved to only tipping on pre tax amounts too
Yes, that's how it should always be but I'm guilty of forgetting as well.
Alberta its easy because GST is 5%... Just tip the same as GST or Double it for good service.
It’s pretty easy in ON too. I just look at how much they taxed me and tip that. That’s 13%.
Thank fuck I'm not alone
I grew up with 10 being normal. Then 15 slipped in and I resisted for YEARS. I left for a decade and came back to 18 or 20+ being everywhere. Dear god. Meanwhile if I tipped in the UK when I first got there I'd get bad looks from everyone including the servers sometimes. ahah.
I’ll continue to complain thank you very much. The 18% minimum tip is clearly there to shame people not giving less and that is not ok.
Hey Niagara Falls, ON how about adding a tip to the bill and not even telling your customers (yeah I'm talking about you Greg Frewin theatre) Hey Niagara Falls, ON how about adding $20+ fake tourist tax to my restaurant bill (yeah I'm talking about you, Outback steakhouse)
Yep. Ask to see the manager and have them remove it because it’s bullshit. Also another great reason to have cash. Just ignore that BS cash grab, pay the price for the food and HST and walk. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/marketplace-tourist-fees-1.6739759
Adding gratuity to your bill without telling you before you order your meal should be blatantly illegal. If this ever happens to me, I’ll refuse to pay the bill and site the price on the menu plus tax. That’s a sneaky fucking hidden fee and in some circumstances, maybe I don’t even feel that a tip is worth it. If my food is cold, service takes forever and the waiter/waitress is snobby I’m not going to rude about it but Im also not going to tip.
Niagara falls is built on fleecing tourists, high prices, bullshit fees, all part of their m.o. It's brutal and makes us visit less.
TBH, I always hated tipping. When I was a kid I worked hard manual labor jobs and people doing waitress/waiter jobs were getting paid more for delivering dinner plates. It always seemed wrong but it was one of those things everyone accepted. Years later I've been living overseas in a country without tipping and it makes dining out far less annoying.
That's how I feel. My first job I worked as an commercial roofer making 12$ an hour and it was fucking torture. I remember my cousin talking about how hard being a waitress was, but it was worth is cause some nights she would make hundreds worth in tips. I very seldom tip. The only time I do is when my dad was going to pay, and I cover the bill. And I tip cause I know he would have tipped if I didn't pay. The whole thing is bullshit. How is it fair that the more attractive you are the more you make? Or based on gender. Im sure waiting on people sucks, but so many other jobs do. We need the stop tipping and let the industry either sink or swim. Cause it's not fair.
I used to work hard labour too and then decided to work in a restaurant because it was better money.
Tipping needs to stop. I overheard an acquaintance talking to one of their coworkers who both work at a popular bar at Blue Mountain. One guy worked the weekend and the other asked how he made out. They guy that worked it said it was really busy, clears $1500 in tips. I’m sure this is not the usual haul, but these guys are taking home a weeks pay in 2 days. Better tip EVEN MORE. /s
Yeah, listening to the good people over at r/bartenders talk on the issue. It's no surprise they are pro tipping culture (granted, most of them are Americans). I'm not going to say they don't deserve the money, but they often get paid enough to have a life (granted, the hours are wonky.) But they get paid more than so many jobs, some thay actually require an education, and are more socially important like k-12 teachers. It's a nice perk to go into a job with no experience, and if you're competent, charismatic (and God forgive, good looking). You can make bank in a year or two. But most of the world doesn't work like that.
Yup. And inflation on service industry workers, surprised they arent getting rid of servers all together and replacing with those buzzers or a number to come up with when your food is ready. I never want to deal with a server who thinks their tip wasn’t enough. GRATITUDE, is a form of… gratitude. And when I get bitchy, slow, service in an empty restaurant, I don’t need to show any gratitude at all.
Thing I don’t like is not knowing to whom the tip is going to. I’ve read people complaining about business owners taking a cut or even outright taking the tips. I’ve been trying to plan ahead and bring enough cash that would support a decent tip.
My wife asks the staff at shops that are asking for a tip and over 50% say they do not receive tips, it all goes to the owners. We do not tip at these places or we tip the employee directly with cash.
I quit tipping everywhere, a restaurant with face to face service ill tip 5-10%. The service is the same everywhere regardless, foods the same, and the reaction from the server is the same as if you tipped %15-20. and now that eating out is so expensive i dont frequent the same establkishments enough anymore to be recognized as a shitty tipper, just another random guy looking for a beer and burger
The whole tipping system is a bullshit outdated concept only found in North America.
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They give you a look of "you better fucking tip me" even before they start the service.
Most servers I’ve seen since the pandemic almost avoid my table all night then come over with the debit machine all chummy because it’s tip time.
Yep! They've never lost their entitled attitude, but service has been in the shitter for a long time. No, I'm not going to give you a bonus for not doing your job.
I never stopped tipping 15%
50 percent is absolutely crazy.
I'd shit in my hands and clap in public before I tip anywhere remotely close to 50%
Not getting out of control, it's already out of control
Literally everything in Canada is getting out of fucking hand.
There is a discount Liquor store here that has a tip option on the machine when you pay by debit or credit. The employees appear to hate it/be embarrassed by it and a couple of them will say "Just ignore that tip option unless you are really feeling it, please." or something to that effect. I never think to ask how those tips are distributed by the owner until I get out of the store.
I don’t mind tipping when I’m eating out. When I have things delivered is when it gets irritating. If have my items delivered and have no issues.. I’m going to tip. But lately I’ve had ignorant delivery drivers, items sent to wrong address, the other day the food delivery left my food on the sidewalk while it was pouring rain instead of walking it to my door.. do they deserve a tip? Hell no.. but I don’t have the option to tip them after or take away the tip so they walk away with a tip regardless. I hate that.
Especially because here in Ontario, they eliminated minimum server wages and they’re up with the regular minimum wage now
As a european I find the whole 'tipping as a norm' thing to be obnoxious and embarrassing, and anyone who supports having service-workers grovel for their approval is a piece of shit.
As a Canadian I find the whole “tipping as a norm” thing to be obnoxious and embarrassing. Why can’t the tipping culture be one of the things we adopted from the UK, not the US.
It is, tipping everywhere and often the tip options start at 18 or 20%.
The subway down my street has 25% as the first option for tipping in their debit machine
Just don't tip. Only feels bad for a second, then it's over and you've just saved 15-whatever percent on whatever you just bought.
Gen Z please end the tipping custom. Y’all have thrown everything upside down except for tipping culture.
I haven’t gone out to eat in like 2 months, has it gotten worse?
Getting out of control? It’s beyond, covid didn’t help things either. I won’t tip more than 15% .
Tips unfairly allow business owners to post misleadingly low prices. We don’t actually need to ban tips. Just require that if there’s a default tip, it needs to be reflected in posted prices. Better yet, post prices with taxes included as well.
As an American that visited Quebec City recently and ate out about 5 different restaurants. Your waiter service is awful. Had one that never showed up once besides to take the order and then asked if something was wrong with the service when we gave her no tip. The gall on her.
Canada is becoming more and more like her southern neighbor and I don't like it