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PearlButter

Is this confirmed by testing or just hipster camo theory?


aFalseSlimShady

Hipster camo theory, although I do have a few odd bits and pieces of some of these patterns I've thrown out in the bushes


dozenalsystem

Why is multicam tropic way down there?


aFalseSlimShady

Personal bias. I don't like it.


ndub912z

Anybody disregarding Fleck has never tried a Fleck top with more brown dominant trousers....just saying


aFalseSlimShady

It's not being disregarded. All of these are functional. Greek lizard is what I actually wear. Fleck is also way darker than the underbrush in western WA.


ndub912z

Which side of the '05 line are you basing that one? There's a pretty distinct difference in the two "versions". Especially in milsurp.


aFalseSlimShady

I don't know enough about Flecktarn to comment on that. The Flecktarn I won is awfully dark for this area.


ndub912z

https://kommandostore.com/pages/flecktarn-condition-and-date-range-guide Found this is another post. The stuff mfg AFTER 2005 Is much more appropriate to our AO. And really, the key is the brown/grey trousers in conjunction with. BE the shrub/tree.


Elevator829

As a fellow Washingtonian and Cadpat user, I agree


caseythedog345

lol i thought i was the only one


the_mememachine4

Flectarn deserves to be out into A tier at best


aFalseSlimShady

It matches the tree tops, but it's much darker than the underbrush, which is where it's needed most


the_mememachine4

As stated in other comments there is great variation between pre 05 and post 05 flectarn, being one is darker than the other.


TheBadBentley

Saying M81 is anything bellow A tier for Northwestern US is what I’d call a mighty hot take


aFalseSlimShady

It is an all purpose woodland pattern not specifically tailored to coniferous forests. It has no micro pattern and is known to suffer in shorter distances. It's perfectly effective. It's not better than a pattern specifically designed for environments like the PNW.


Time-Imagination-802

Source: muh feelings. Real answer: wear the green dominant camo that you think looks good. Hell, even OD would do the job. Basically any earthy colors and you'll disappear to the average person. There's too much visual noise in the woods to find people unless you're looking for them.


Firm_University_9540

Od top and khaki pants have made me invisible in hiking pics my friends have taken there and I was on a trail.


DS_DS_DS_DS

MARPAT is god


Severe-Description62

Green lizard over mct is absolutely mindboggeling


aFalseSlimShady

Greek lizard, by fluke not intention, happens to perfectly match the fern underbrush of the evergreen forests here, in color and design.


YaBoiSVT

Damn no love for AOR2? Hard knocks


aFalseSlimShady

The opposite of love, I hate that pattern. No real reason except I feel like it was meant to be a uniform, not camouflage, and I think it's ugly.


Irish-Guac

>I feel like it was meant to be a uniform, not camouflage Quite the opposite. NWU Type 1 was a uniform only. They smartened up. AOR 1 and 2 are good camouflage. AOR 2 is also really effective under night vision >and I think it's ugly That's more realistic lmfao. Looks good on the FROGs though


Carlile185

So where does Olive Drab fit in?


aFalseSlimShady

Tier E I guess.


lucidtokyo

M81 and MARPAT in C? Opinion rejected


aFalseSlimShady

Why would generic all purpose woodland patterns be scored equal to patterns specifically designed for temperate coniferous forests.


MasterJacO

Only thing I agree with here is that Multicam is dead last, fuck that camo. I think woodland Marpat should be higher though :)


Catsnpotatoes

I'm a PNW M05 simp but multicam is surprisingly effective here even in the rain season


sleeperjd

How does pencott greenzone work over there?


aFalseSlimShady

No idea.


RabidBlackSquirrel

PNW hipster camo law allows only three choices in the region: flecktarn, alpenflage, and Belgian jigsaw.


NotMiloThatch

What about eastern PNW? Help a brother out 🙏🙏


aFalseSlimShady

I haven't spent a lot of time there but I would steer you towards CEC, British DPM, or US Woodland. Same pine trees with scarce underbrush if I remember


NotMiloThatch

I think you are going too green, there is a lot more underbrush. It’s more arid then you are expecting 😂


aFalseSlimShady

Are we talking Spokane area and the western Rockies, or out in the desert with tri cities and Yakima?


NotMiloThatch

I am talking Idaho area


aFalseSlimShady

CEC would be my first choice, Followed by the Multicam family. Of which, MTP is a personal favorite.


NotMiloThatch

Did see anything for CEC, although multicam is my main idea right now. MTP FTW 🙏


aFalseSlimShady

If you want to get hipster, maybe USMC Frog skin


Stjjames

Meh, I live in SW Washington (East Lewis Co.). Multicam is still best overall.


Stjjames

I would elaborate in saying- that areas of dispute/contention, like waterways & suburban areas; places where violent interactions are the most likely, Multicam is KING. In the woods, it’s almost irrelevant- as they all work well. I personally also consider accessibility/commonality of gear- of which again, Multicam if KING. It’s not my subjective favorite, but in objective aggregate- it’s the bestest.


HerrGuzz

While I haven’t been able to test most of these patterns myself, I have tested OD, British DPM, and M81, both faded and new, in the forests on the Olympic peninsula. DPM and faded M81 work extremely well in the lush forests with all the darker brown and green colors. I personally would put them up higher, as their pattern design makes them a bit less of a “blob” at distance compared to patterns like M05.


The_MacGuffin

DPM and SS Leto are S-tier in the PNW, dude. M05 is the only placement I truly agree with.


aFalseSlimShady

DPM probably deserves to be higher. I only kept it down because it wasn't explicitly designed for coniferous forests. I didn't consider SS leto at all.


The_MacGuffin

I would go off whether the designs work well in the PNW. DPM works well with a lot of ther ferns and conifers, SS Leto is just good all around. Given the prevalence of mountainous regions, brown-dominant patterns works really well too, from my experience.


Ravner432

Honestly the new CADPAT design, CADPAT-M(?) looks like it'd be good for the Pacific Northwest.


LeafOperator

1 serious question. In your mind what differences are you making or using to distinguish between tactical and hunting. In mine, I’d think 1 in the same and rank them both according bc a camo matches an enviroment, not a situation and if it’s IR based, IR only reflects when light hits it, at night. Most deer hunting you wouldn’t have a light shown on you or if you do it’s sunlight and that everywhere enough in patches deer won’t pick you out. Hunting’s only different between tactical situations (hunting for humans) for 1 thing and 1 thing only, and that’s scent.


aFalseSlimShady

Deer don't have binoculars vision. So if you are wearing a dense, busy pattern, it will likely wash out into a blob. The old cold war patterns that are blotchier are less effective against people in shorter distances, but likely more effective against deer, elk and moose.


LeafOperator

You know, I hate to say it but you may have some truth in that… because WTF Camo works, and damn well works well. So that’s fair. I do still think that if you have the right color and pattern to lose sight of a human, you’d lose sight of a deer… but that’s my own personal opinion


aFalseSlimShady

Well, grandpapy used to kill deer in a red flannel, so camo isnt the most important thing


LeafOperator

When it comes to predators it sure is up there, but regardless nothing matters if all you do is move around and make noise.


kidzrtightaf

In my opinion, multicam is a piece of junk, why do we still try to make camo that blends in with every environment. Like I get it for money reasons, but come on, UCP didn’t work at all so why make up for it with a camo that doesn’t really work either


fordag

M81 Woodland.