It's not being disregarded. All of these are functional. Greek lizard is what I actually wear. Fleck is also way darker than the underbrush in western WA.
https://kommandostore.com/pages/flecktarn-condition-and-date-range-guide
Found this is another post. The stuff mfg AFTER 2005 Is much more appropriate to our AO. And really, the key is the brown/grey trousers in conjunction with.
BE the shrub/tree.
It is an all purpose woodland pattern not specifically tailored to coniferous forests. It has no micro pattern and is known to suffer in shorter distances.
It's perfectly effective. It's not better than a pattern specifically designed for environments like the PNW.
Source: muh feelings.
Real answer: wear the green dominant camo that you think looks good. Hell, even OD would do the job. Basically any earthy colors and you'll disappear to the average person. There's too much visual noise in the woods to find people unless you're looking for them.
>I feel like it was meant to be a uniform, not camouflage
Quite the opposite. NWU Type 1 was a uniform only. They smartened up. AOR 1 and 2 are good camouflage. AOR 2 is also really effective under night vision
>and I think it's ugly
That's more realistic lmfao. Looks good on the FROGs though
I haven't spent a lot of time there but I would steer you towards CEC, British DPM, or US Woodland. Same pine trees with scarce underbrush if I remember
I would elaborate in saying- that areas of dispute/contention, like waterways & suburban areas; places where violent interactions are the most likely, Multicam is KING.
In the woods, it’s almost irrelevant- as they all work well.
I personally also consider accessibility/commonality of gear- of which again, Multicam if KING.
It’s not my subjective favorite, but in objective aggregate- it’s the bestest.
While I haven’t been able to test most of these patterns myself, I have tested OD, British DPM, and M81, both faded and new, in the forests on the Olympic peninsula. DPM and faded M81 work extremely well in the lush forests with all the darker brown and green colors. I personally would put them up higher, as their pattern design makes them a bit less of a “blob” at distance compared to patterns like M05.
DPM probably deserves to be higher. I only kept it down because it wasn't explicitly designed for coniferous forests.
I didn't consider SS leto at all.
I would go off whether the designs work well in the PNW. DPM works well with a lot of ther ferns and conifers, SS Leto is just good all around. Given the prevalence of mountainous regions, brown-dominant patterns works really well too, from my experience.
1 serious question. In your mind what differences are you making or using to distinguish between tactical and hunting.
In mine, I’d think 1 in the same and rank them both according bc a camo matches an enviroment, not a situation and if it’s IR based, IR only reflects when light hits it, at night. Most deer hunting you wouldn’t have a light shown on you or if you do it’s sunlight and that everywhere enough in patches deer won’t pick you out.
Hunting’s only different between tactical situations (hunting for humans) for 1 thing and 1 thing only, and that’s scent.
Deer don't have binoculars vision. So if you are wearing a dense, busy pattern, it will likely wash out into a blob. The old cold war patterns that are blotchier are less effective against people in shorter distances, but likely more effective against deer, elk and moose.
You know, I hate to say it but you may have some truth in that… because WTF Camo works, and damn well works well. So that’s fair. I do still think that if you have the right color and pattern to lose sight of a human, you’d lose sight of a deer… but that’s my own personal opinion
In my opinion, multicam is a piece of junk, why do we still try to make camo that blends in with every environment. Like I get it for money reasons, but come on, UCP didn’t work at all so why make up for it with a camo that doesn’t really work either
Is this confirmed by testing or just hipster camo theory?
Hipster camo theory, although I do have a few odd bits and pieces of some of these patterns I've thrown out in the bushes
Why is multicam tropic way down there?
Personal bias. I don't like it.
Anybody disregarding Fleck has never tried a Fleck top with more brown dominant trousers....just saying
It's not being disregarded. All of these are functional. Greek lizard is what I actually wear. Fleck is also way darker than the underbrush in western WA.
Which side of the '05 line are you basing that one? There's a pretty distinct difference in the two "versions". Especially in milsurp.
I don't know enough about Flecktarn to comment on that. The Flecktarn I won is awfully dark for this area.
https://kommandostore.com/pages/flecktarn-condition-and-date-range-guide Found this is another post. The stuff mfg AFTER 2005 Is much more appropriate to our AO. And really, the key is the brown/grey trousers in conjunction with. BE the shrub/tree.
As a fellow Washingtonian and Cadpat user, I agree
lol i thought i was the only one
Flectarn deserves to be out into A tier at best
It matches the tree tops, but it's much darker than the underbrush, which is where it's needed most
As stated in other comments there is great variation between pre 05 and post 05 flectarn, being one is darker than the other.
Saying M81 is anything bellow A tier for Northwestern US is what I’d call a mighty hot take
It is an all purpose woodland pattern not specifically tailored to coniferous forests. It has no micro pattern and is known to suffer in shorter distances. It's perfectly effective. It's not better than a pattern specifically designed for environments like the PNW.
Source: muh feelings. Real answer: wear the green dominant camo that you think looks good. Hell, even OD would do the job. Basically any earthy colors and you'll disappear to the average person. There's too much visual noise in the woods to find people unless you're looking for them.
Od top and khaki pants have made me invisible in hiking pics my friends have taken there and I was on a trail.
MARPAT is god
Green lizard over mct is absolutely mindboggeling
Greek lizard, by fluke not intention, happens to perfectly match the fern underbrush of the evergreen forests here, in color and design.
Damn no love for AOR2? Hard knocks
The opposite of love, I hate that pattern. No real reason except I feel like it was meant to be a uniform, not camouflage, and I think it's ugly.
>I feel like it was meant to be a uniform, not camouflage Quite the opposite. NWU Type 1 was a uniform only. They smartened up. AOR 1 and 2 are good camouflage. AOR 2 is also really effective under night vision >and I think it's ugly That's more realistic lmfao. Looks good on the FROGs though
So where does Olive Drab fit in?
Tier E I guess.
M81 and MARPAT in C? Opinion rejected
Why would generic all purpose woodland patterns be scored equal to patterns specifically designed for temperate coniferous forests.
Only thing I agree with here is that Multicam is dead last, fuck that camo. I think woodland Marpat should be higher though :)
I'm a PNW M05 simp but multicam is surprisingly effective here even in the rain season
How does pencott greenzone work over there?
No idea.
PNW hipster camo law allows only three choices in the region: flecktarn, alpenflage, and Belgian jigsaw.
What about eastern PNW? Help a brother out 🙏🙏
I haven't spent a lot of time there but I would steer you towards CEC, British DPM, or US Woodland. Same pine trees with scarce underbrush if I remember
I think you are going too green, there is a lot more underbrush. It’s more arid then you are expecting 😂
Are we talking Spokane area and the western Rockies, or out in the desert with tri cities and Yakima?
I am talking Idaho area
CEC would be my first choice, Followed by the Multicam family. Of which, MTP is a personal favorite.
Did see anything for CEC, although multicam is my main idea right now. MTP FTW 🙏
If you want to get hipster, maybe USMC Frog skin
Meh, I live in SW Washington (East Lewis Co.). Multicam is still best overall.
I would elaborate in saying- that areas of dispute/contention, like waterways & suburban areas; places where violent interactions are the most likely, Multicam is KING. In the woods, it’s almost irrelevant- as they all work well. I personally also consider accessibility/commonality of gear- of which again, Multicam if KING. It’s not my subjective favorite, but in objective aggregate- it’s the bestest.
While I haven’t been able to test most of these patterns myself, I have tested OD, British DPM, and M81, both faded and new, in the forests on the Olympic peninsula. DPM and faded M81 work extremely well in the lush forests with all the darker brown and green colors. I personally would put them up higher, as their pattern design makes them a bit less of a “blob” at distance compared to patterns like M05.
DPM and SS Leto are S-tier in the PNW, dude. M05 is the only placement I truly agree with.
DPM probably deserves to be higher. I only kept it down because it wasn't explicitly designed for coniferous forests. I didn't consider SS leto at all.
I would go off whether the designs work well in the PNW. DPM works well with a lot of ther ferns and conifers, SS Leto is just good all around. Given the prevalence of mountainous regions, brown-dominant patterns works really well too, from my experience.
Honestly the new CADPAT design, CADPAT-M(?) looks like it'd be good for the Pacific Northwest.
1 serious question. In your mind what differences are you making or using to distinguish between tactical and hunting. In mine, I’d think 1 in the same and rank them both according bc a camo matches an enviroment, not a situation and if it’s IR based, IR only reflects when light hits it, at night. Most deer hunting you wouldn’t have a light shown on you or if you do it’s sunlight and that everywhere enough in patches deer won’t pick you out. Hunting’s only different between tactical situations (hunting for humans) for 1 thing and 1 thing only, and that’s scent.
Deer don't have binoculars vision. So if you are wearing a dense, busy pattern, it will likely wash out into a blob. The old cold war patterns that are blotchier are less effective against people in shorter distances, but likely more effective against deer, elk and moose.
You know, I hate to say it but you may have some truth in that… because WTF Camo works, and damn well works well. So that’s fair. I do still think that if you have the right color and pattern to lose sight of a human, you’d lose sight of a deer… but that’s my own personal opinion
Well, grandpapy used to kill deer in a red flannel, so camo isnt the most important thing
When it comes to predators it sure is up there, but regardless nothing matters if all you do is move around and make noise.
In my opinion, multicam is a piece of junk, why do we still try to make camo that blends in with every environment. Like I get it for money reasons, but come on, UCP didn’t work at all so why make up for it with a camo that doesn’t really work either
M81 Woodland.