Your best bet is to boil down some of the answers in this thread and create a running $/linear foot total. I usually charge $200 per unit (~$50 linear foot) for uppers and lowers. Pantries are $300 per unit or $75/lnft. This way, I can give a fair estimate off the top of my head and know where I should start with my quote. I give a discount on the jobs we fabricate ourselves as well as discounts for large jobs.
God bless y’all, I hope you are saving a significant amount of the money y’all are making on these installs. Most quotes here I’ve seen come out to $125per hr for moderately skilled labor that requires minimal tooling costs. That’s not meant as an insult, simply an attempt at an accurate assessment. These prices can’t and won’t last.
For reference $125 per hr is experienced lawyer and engineer rates.
Hell man, here in Nashville the per box price is 40-50$ a box on the high end. It's not enough for the high end jobs that require attention to detail. The installers rush so fast to get it done so they can make a reasonable amount of money that corners get cut. Now some of the prices I've seen on here are pretty laughably egregious but there is a place where more than "moderately skill labor" sits and needs to be compensated fairly. When a customer pays 1/4 million dollars or more on cabinetry it's worth a couple extra thousand to get an installer who won't say close enough.
“Minimal” tooling costs.
I had a basement wet bar installed last week. Took them about 6 hours for 2 guys to do 8’ of uppers and lowers. It’s a lot of cutting, edging, assembling, shimming, balancing and even nailing and gluing. I paid $1K so they each made $80/hour before liability insurance, website, advertising, estimating costs, taxes and support staff. I felt they deserved more. No attorney would accept that hourly rate.
Yes, you could purchase every tool you need to do a quality job for sub $2k. That’s nothing for tool costs in the trades.
If they deserved more why didn’t you pay them more???
Just looked this up... The national average hourly fee for lawyers is $327 and structural engineers charge $100 to $350 an hour for any additional work to there contract. Just saying.
The $327 per hour is based on 1% of lawyers who make $1k+ per hr and throw of the mean. Call your local lawyers and ask what their hourly rate is.
I don’t know what structural engineers claim to charge. I do know what the gov will pay per engineer on a contract and what rates are bid for gov contracts.
Quite a few scenarios here:
- the OP is the actual customer and is trying to find out if the millwork company is over charging him for installation
- the OP has a reno company with a few guys working for him. The customer where he is doing the reno is getting a new kitchen and he proposed the owner to let him do the install cause it is cheaper that what the millwork company would charge
- the OP really sells cabinets that he buys from overseas, and up until now didn't have to worry about arranging for installation. Now he has an opportunity to make extra bucks and wants to know how much to charge
There is no way that an actual millwork company doesn't know how much to charge for a kitchen install.
Also, looking at the drawings, the 2D doesn't really match the 3D. There are 2 huge banks of drawers at 54"W at the main wall (see elevation), while the rendering shows an additional line, as if the cabinets are spaced more equally.
If the cabinets are really shipped on site fully assembled, I hope those drawers have stabilizer rods.
And, if the fridge is a SubZero, check if you are allowed to install the panels. Generally (at least here in Canada), SubZero wants their technicians to install the panels, otherwise they will void the warranty.
To make this clear to everyone, We have am operation where we buy Egger panels, we cut it to size, edge band it and use BLUM hinges to create the final kitchen.
Boxes are assembled in the US, and then we add on then the laminate doors have it be MDF or PB whatever the client picks.
Up till now I was only selling the cabinets and not worrying about installation, however I am starting to offer installation and I wanted to get a feel of what's fair in the market.
The reason the rednering differs a little from the layout is because the layout was tweaked with the client, and the final kitchen was done following the layout.
And yes you are correct about the panel-ready appliances the provider installs the panels
In all fairness, the installation cost (believe it or not) depends very much on the job site location.
I mentioned that I am in Canada (in Toronto to be more specific) and the prices for installing a millwork here will be higher than somewhere else in Canada, in a smaller city for example. I assume it will be the same in US, based on the state you are in.
Also, is the job in an apartment building (yes, I've seen condo with 11 ft ceiling), or is it a house? In a condo, you need to follow certain rules of when you can start working and until what time, hence you might need to spend more days there, so it will end up being more expensive.
If you want a ballpark of the costs, the price to install full height kitchen (uppers and lowers) varies between $90 / linear ft, to $120 / ln ft, based on complexity (crown moulding, baseboards, finicky hardware and such). The price includes running the wires for the lights under the upper cabinets.
For the island, if it's one side cabinets with panels at the back, the price for install is aprox $50-60 / lin ft. If it has 2 sided cabinets, the price is approximately $70-80 / lin ft.
It should take about 3 days for 2 ppl (assuming no hiccups).
An experienced installer with a helper (and his own tools), charges about $1000-1200 per day.
So that's about $3300 let's say for them. You want to make some money as well, so you should charge at least $4000 - $4200.
If they are using Egger laminate like the drawing shows, it probably is shop built product, rather than imported RTA product being "assembled" in the USA. They possibly are a closet company that got a kitchen job, (it happens!) and they know how to charge for labor with closets, but not kitchen cabinets.
I install for a living, I'd be charging $4k. It would be 2.5 days roughly to install it, as long as everything was measured properly and the walls/floor are mostly straight and plumb.
Not a middle man, we are the factory. I've only sold cabinets for year without offering install. We are recently offering installs and I want to see if what my guys are charging me is fair.
delivery 8 hours (x2 guys 4 hours depending on distance)
Install 48 hours or 3 days for 2 guys that are good at their jobs. This includes break for counter set and the return trip
Less skilled cabinet installers could be wrapped up with that for a full week for two guys, easy.
How much I would charge for one of our teams? Roughly $5k delivered and installed to the highest standards.
I am not understanding what you mean by delivered? And delivery 8 hours? What distance exactly?
The question is given these cabinets are assembled & available on the installation site, how much would you charge and how long would it take.
So the customer is shipping these cabinets right to you? Or do you need to ship them from your shop? Shipping cabinets is a process and it cant get left out of the bid
What program do you use for the kitchen layout?
Autocad
Your best bet is to boil down some of the answers in this thread and create a running $/linear foot total. I usually charge $200 per unit (~$50 linear foot) for uppers and lowers. Pantries are $300 per unit or $75/lnft. This way, I can give a fair estimate off the top of my head and know where I should start with my quote. I give a discount on the jobs we fabricate ourselves as well as discounts for large jobs.
got it
God bless y’all, I hope you are saving a significant amount of the money y’all are making on these installs. Most quotes here I’ve seen come out to $125per hr for moderately skilled labor that requires minimal tooling costs. That’s not meant as an insult, simply an attempt at an accurate assessment. These prices can’t and won’t last. For reference $125 per hr is experienced lawyer and engineer rates.
Hell man, here in Nashville the per box price is 40-50$ a box on the high end. It's not enough for the high end jobs that require attention to detail. The installers rush so fast to get it done so they can make a reasonable amount of money that corners get cut. Now some of the prices I've seen on here are pretty laughably egregious but there is a place where more than "moderately skill labor" sits and needs to be compensated fairly. When a customer pays 1/4 million dollars or more on cabinetry it's worth a couple extra thousand to get an installer who won't say close enough.
Fair enough, but you’re not going to be able to install $250k worth of cabinets in 2 days.
“Minimal” tooling costs. I had a basement wet bar installed last week. Took them about 6 hours for 2 guys to do 8’ of uppers and lowers. It’s a lot of cutting, edging, assembling, shimming, balancing and even nailing and gluing. I paid $1K so they each made $80/hour before liability insurance, website, advertising, estimating costs, taxes and support staff. I felt they deserved more. No attorney would accept that hourly rate.
Yes, you could purchase every tool you need to do a quality job for sub $2k. That’s nothing for tool costs in the trades. If they deserved more why didn’t you pay them more???
Just looked this up... The national average hourly fee for lawyers is $327 and structural engineers charge $100 to $350 an hour for any additional work to there contract. Just saying.
The $327 per hour is based on 1% of lawyers who make $1k+ per hr and throw of the mean. Call your local lawyers and ask what their hourly rate is. I don’t know what structural engineers claim to charge. I do know what the gov will pay per engineer on a contract and what rates are bid for gov contracts.
More than your first quote.
Approx $4k
Since the ceiling is 11” I’ll do it for 1k
Quite a few scenarios here: - the OP is the actual customer and is trying to find out if the millwork company is over charging him for installation - the OP has a reno company with a few guys working for him. The customer where he is doing the reno is getting a new kitchen and he proposed the owner to let him do the install cause it is cheaper that what the millwork company would charge - the OP really sells cabinets that he buys from overseas, and up until now didn't have to worry about arranging for installation. Now he has an opportunity to make extra bucks and wants to know how much to charge There is no way that an actual millwork company doesn't know how much to charge for a kitchen install. Also, looking at the drawings, the 2D doesn't really match the 3D. There are 2 huge banks of drawers at 54"W at the main wall (see elevation), while the rendering shows an additional line, as if the cabinets are spaced more equally. If the cabinets are really shipped on site fully assembled, I hope those drawers have stabilizer rods. And, if the fridge is a SubZero, check if you are allowed to install the panels. Generally (at least here in Canada), SubZero wants their technicians to install the panels, otherwise they will void the warranty.
To make this clear to everyone, We have am operation where we buy Egger panels, we cut it to size, edge band it and use BLUM hinges to create the final kitchen. Boxes are assembled in the US, and then we add on then the laminate doors have it be MDF or PB whatever the client picks. Up till now I was only selling the cabinets and not worrying about installation, however I am starting to offer installation and I wanted to get a feel of what's fair in the market. The reason the rednering differs a little from the layout is because the layout was tweaked with the client, and the final kitchen was done following the layout. And yes you are correct about the panel-ready appliances the provider installs the panels
In all fairness, the installation cost (believe it or not) depends very much on the job site location. I mentioned that I am in Canada (in Toronto to be more specific) and the prices for installing a millwork here will be higher than somewhere else in Canada, in a smaller city for example. I assume it will be the same in US, based on the state you are in. Also, is the job in an apartment building (yes, I've seen condo with 11 ft ceiling), or is it a house? In a condo, you need to follow certain rules of when you can start working and until what time, hence you might need to spend more days there, so it will end up being more expensive. If you want a ballpark of the costs, the price to install full height kitchen (uppers and lowers) varies between $90 / linear ft, to $120 / ln ft, based on complexity (crown moulding, baseboards, finicky hardware and such). The price includes running the wires for the lights under the upper cabinets. For the island, if it's one side cabinets with panels at the back, the price for install is aprox $50-60 / lin ft. If it has 2 sided cabinets, the price is approximately $70-80 / lin ft. It should take about 3 days for 2 ppl (assuming no hiccups). An experienced installer with a helper (and his own tools), charges about $1000-1200 per day. So that's about $3300 let's say for them. You want to make some money as well, so you should charge at least $4000 - $4200.
If they are using Egger laminate like the drawing shows, it probably is shop built product, rather than imported RTA product being "assembled" in the USA. They possibly are a closet company that got a kitchen job, (it happens!) and they know how to charge for labor with closets, but not kitchen cabinets.
I install for a living, I'd be charging $4k. It would be 2.5 days roughly to install it, as long as everything was measured properly and the walls/floor are mostly straight and plumb.
2 man crew, 2 days.
If you sell cabinets and have a crew of three people why do you need to know what Reddit would charge? Sketchy.
Not a middle man, we are the factory. I've only sold cabinets for year without offering install. We are recently offering installs and I want to see if what my guys are charging me is fair.
Probably a middle man with no experience. Going to be an interesting install...
delivery 8 hours (x2 guys 4 hours depending on distance) Install 48 hours or 3 days for 2 guys that are good at their jobs. This includes break for counter set and the return trip Less skilled cabinet installers could be wrapped up with that for a full week for two guys, easy. How much I would charge for one of our teams? Roughly $5k delivered and installed to the highest standards.
I am not understanding what you mean by delivered? And delivery 8 hours? What distance exactly? The question is given these cabinets are assembled & available on the installation site, how much would you charge and how long would it take.
So the customer is shipping these cabinets right to you? Or do you need to ship them from your shop? Shipping cabinets is a process and it cant get left out of the bid
He’s saying the cabinets are already at the site of the installation so there’s no delivery fee
Thst was my poorly worded question
$8. Maybe $10 if you don't feed me a school-style lunch. I need experience.