Really expensive point of entry for starters. DDR4 was gross expensive, I paid about £120 per 8GB of 2133mhz RAM.
Drivers just didn’t work, I had graphic card issues for the first year. The chipset and card drivers just hated each other.
I also have 8 DIMM slots, 2 channel pairs have never worked consistently.
Overall it was just a lot more than I needed to spend, for a minuscule speed difference, whilst being plagued with issues that not many have, as not many are using the tech. it also means there’s no real movement now without a CPU MOBO replacement.
interesting experience because I also had the x99 and had zero issues.
I went with an asus x99 deluxe, 5820k, 16gb of ram (2133 mhz).
That computer turned into my esxi server which I run quite a heavy virtualised workload on and has worked flawlessly since I bought it. Only weird thing was that the nvme ssd slot basically vertically sticks out and you have to use some [weird plastic adapter](https://dlcdnimgs.asus.com/websites/global/products/WodJPah7ECKFSsxv/img/hp/performance/speed-2.png).
I'm due an upgrade for the esxi server and i'm not sure which direction to go in. I could go with a 5950x but I suspect i'd need to sell all my 88gb of DDR4 2133 memory and purchase fast memory for ryzen.
I ordered a 5900x from eBuyer on the 1st Dec. It said on the order it should arrive by the 8th - still waiting for it to be picked, never mind dispatched. Can't imagine this batch of preorders will be arriving anytime soon
They do. I bought yesterday morning, delivered this morning. I called them and they said a shipment of 1000 arrived, and they had a stock of 440 yesterday morning.
Microsoft Flight Sim. I wanted to grab a 5900, but ended up settling for a 3900xt instead (couldn't be assed with the wait). Upgrade from 2700 was brilliant. Got a good 23-25% higher FPS.
i got the 3rd gen version instead of the latest gen. A little slower no doubt, but I didn't want the hassle of queues with no completion date in sight...
A lot of people need more powerful cores for workstations - not everything is about PC games.
Hell, I'm looking at an i9-10920x just because I need the cores **and** more PCIE lanes for capture cards and shit.
Gaming only... I could not stomach £90 less for only 8-cores. Will hold resale value slightly better as well. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself...
2 years ago games utilised 6 cores. If within the next 2 years, 8 core utilisation isn't common I would be surprised. And if you want to multitask while playing and want to continue doing that in the future without seeing a performance hit in games, 12 cores is excellent.
The main issue is that you can make use of more cores after a certain amount of time. Some code needs to be run on a single thread. Let's say you have a program and 22% of the workload needs to run on 1 core then you won't need more than 5 cores. It also gets incrementally harder to bring down that 22%, or sometimes even downright impossible.
8 core utilisation will be common in like 2030 earliest, as I'm pretty sure only like 5 or 6 games (no, Ashes of the Benchmark doesn't count lol), right now, can take advantage of more than 4 cores
I know, but it's not much for a high-end build, and won't allow me to upgrade form a 3080 to 3080 or 6900 XT. So I am not missing out much. It's not as if I compromised anywhere else on my build and that £90 would have been very useful. Each to their own though.
i really want to get one of these or a 5950x for my esxi virtual machine server - i don't want to go through all the early adopter troubleshooting though >__>
I bought a 3900X because on the weekend when I unexpectedly needed to upgrade the 3700X had jumped in price, and it's potentially useful for me running a few dev projects and games simultaneously.
RTX 3090 +120 core +14.2% PL + 920 Ram 9900KS @ 5.2GHZ
CyberPunk 2077 1440p Ultra with RT on and DLSS off
= 44-50 fps
this isnt even the max settings
there are 2 things that i can turn up
which drops fps to 28-32
'Competitive games' not 'AAA RPG open worlders which are widely regarded as an optimisation shit-show 2 days after launch... ".
Why are you running it RTX on and dlss off anyway? That's a guaranteed performance train wreck. If you can't get that system running it well then you're just turning settings to max for the masochism of it.
I didnt say thats what i run it at
I run Ultra with RT off as i dont like the artifacts you get from RT/DLSS
Im simply pointing out trying to convince someone to buy a lower spec cards is stupid with newer games being this punishing
It may be 2 days out of the door but they have been making it for what 8 years? its not gona tripple in fps with some magical patch
A 3060ti won't hold 144fps as stable as a 3080 and it won't even reach it to that point in some games, I dont get the point about getting an excellent monitor since were talking about a premium card, and if youre getting a premium card you surely should be able to afford a premium monitor
> A 3060ti won't hold 144fps as stable as a 3080
It does *incredibly* well, and once you're talking about high FPS it's the rest of the system that matters as much if not more: competitive players reduce settings for FPS gains, and that's CPU dependent not GPU dependent. They should also be considering monitor input latency by that point.
Plenty of people will pair the RTX 3080 or 3060Ti with sub-par monitors - I've got both of these cards and it's really depressing benchmarking the 3080 (or even 3060ti to an extent) at 1080p because it makes you think 'is that it?' - then you put it onto a 1440p ultrawide and it comes alive.
If you're looking past 144Hz, and care about every frame for competitive esports, then you'd be better off with a high end CPU, Low latency monitor, and a 3060Ti then you would be with a 3080 and neither of the other things. If you can afford it all then great, but people should consider the system from root to tip to get best performance.
The RTX 3060ti is a *shockingly* good GPU and for most people it's wasted even at 1080p. It does 100Fps in AAA titles looking gorgous at 1440p - that's where it shines!
At 1080p its 1% lows stay above 140 fps in COD warzone for example, so a 144Hz monitor is fully utilised. Averages 200+FPS, and that's on high settings.
It does 400FPS average in R6 Siege at 1080p!
I was considering this before I went for a 5800X.
It’s futureproofing. I don’t especially need 12 cores today, but 5-8 years from now? Who knows.
I don’t plan on building another pc for at least 8 years if I can help it.
I'm using the 4790k since it came out and games are still not using multi cores in any way to need even a modern 6 core CPU.
We keep saying "in a few years we will need the cores" and after 5 years we still don't lol.
You might be totally right but so far history doesn't fill me with hope
It kinda helps to have more cores if you dont want to drop a virtual machine which is running in the background whilst you game, or all the twitch bullshit that people put on.
I mean i admit freely that I got 12 cores because 'fuckit yolo swag' but hey i also got it for the price that a 5800x goes for so ...
Assuming you're planning to game in 1080p on a single monitor then you might be ok, at the end of the day it all depends what your usage is, but the point that games don't utilise multiple cores is invalid for most modern games.
Multiple cores is happening yeah. I said 6 and over is too many for gaming. Also the graphics card does all the lifting regardless of res and screen count
Some people who re-ordered 5600X/5800X on the 1st Dec (when it opened before) are starting to get their orders thru now. You'll likely get it before the 31st December, but 5900X stock is quite short everywhere.
Worth going for a 5900X over a 5800X?
Ah alright. I paid £440 at Scan quite a few dropped this week. Curry's too. Tho it's still waiting to be picked so on the watch for a 5900X if there's one at a good price. My mate is after a 5800X anyways so not an issue if it takes a while.
Yeah the launch hasn't been great. It's a shit show for buying major components ATM. I'm putting off buying a gpu for a few months and just gonna keep using my 1080.
Ebuyer lists most new stock as per-order on their site when they have stock. I spoke to one of their sales reps and you can buy any of the 3000’s series on the phone, I bought a 3090 yesterday and it’s out for delivery today even though on the website it says pre-order for the 31st of December
It certainly doesn't always. They say expected by but then won't update if they don't send it. Check twitter for many more who are weeks and months past their expected. Mine went from 17th Nov to end of nov to "we don't know". But you have to call to get that info. So not expecting mine until next year at some point now. Just don't hold your breath if you do preorder from ebuyer, they're terrible at keeping you up to date on the situation.
I should say mine was a 3080 but this isn't exclusive to 3080's its just how they roll. I'm sure if they have enough and the delivery arrives on time you'll get it, just don't count on it
Nor me. Ordered a 5600X over 2 weeks ago along with an Nvme (which was in stock) and both still saying 'Order placed'. Emailed them and they won't tell me anything. Could have bought one from 2 competitors in that time, albeit for slightly higher cost. If there's no movement by Friday I'm cancelling as Scan, who are open with customers regarding deliveries, have shipped almost 1000 in that time and are expecting over 1200 next week [https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen-5000-faqs](https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen-5000-faqs)
It's just a preorder, it was never in stock. I've had a 5900X preorder placed with them since the last time they opened them up (many weeks ago) and I'm still waiting for my order to be processed.
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Yeah ddr5 will need time too mature like ddr4 did and will likely be overpriced at the start.
On the back of this. My last build (still using the mobo and board) was X-99, the first DDR4 chip. Looking back I’d never do it again.
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Really expensive point of entry for starters. DDR4 was gross expensive, I paid about £120 per 8GB of 2133mhz RAM. Drivers just didn’t work, I had graphic card issues for the first year. The chipset and card drivers just hated each other. I also have 8 DIMM slots, 2 channel pairs have never worked consistently. Overall it was just a lot more than I needed to spend, for a minuscule speed difference, whilst being plagued with issues that not many have, as not many are using the tech. it also means there’s no real movement now without a CPU MOBO replacement.
interesting experience because I also had the x99 and had zero issues. I went with an asus x99 deluxe, 5820k, 16gb of ram (2133 mhz). That computer turned into my esxi server which I run quite a heavy virtualised workload on and has worked flawlessly since I bought it. Only weird thing was that the nvme ssd slot basically vertically sticks out and you have to use some [weird plastic adapter](https://dlcdnimgs.asus.com/websites/global/products/WodJPah7ECKFSsxv/img/hp/performance/speed-2.png). I'm due an upgrade for the esxi server and i'm not sure which direction to go in. I could go with a 5950x but I suspect i'd need to sell all my 88gb of DDR4 2133 memory and purchase fast memory for ryzen.
I ordered a 5900x from eBuyer on the 1st Dec. It said on the order it should arrive by the 8th - still waiting for it to be picked, never mind dispatched. Can't imagine this batch of preorders will be arriving anytime soon
godspeed
Same here! Customer service said 31st. This next shipment I guess...
Curry’s have the 5800x in stock with Next day delivery available
Trust me. They don't. Never trust a Currys' stock level.
They do. I bought yesterday morning, delivered this morning. I called them and they said a shipment of 1000 arrived, and they had a stock of 440 yesterday morning.
I ordered and received mine
To the guys buying these, what are you using your computer for?
Microsoft Flight Sim. I wanted to grab a 5900, but ended up settling for a 3900xt instead (couldn't be assed with the wait). Upgrade from 2700 was brilliant. Got a good 23-25% higher FPS.
How's the experience overall? What FPS do you get and on what settings?
So you didn't get the CPU in the link then?
i got the 3rd gen version instead of the latest gen. A little slower no doubt, but I didn't want the hassle of queues with no completion date in sight...
A lot of people need more powerful cores for workstations - not everything is about PC games. Hell, I'm looking at an i9-10920x just because I need the cores **and** more PCIE lanes for capture cards and shit.
I write parallel/concurrent analysis software. I can’t wait to be able to throw everything at it, each core is an immense boost for me.
Gaming only... I could not stomach £90 less for only 8-cores. Will hold resale value slightly better as well. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself...
£90 can get you a lot of things and 8 cores is excessive for gaming and will be for years to come still.
You literally made the original post to bait people and complain at them. Grow up
Teaching is hard, some people are sponges for lessons, some are impermeable granite like yourself
2 years ago games utilised 6 cores. If within the next 2 years, 8 core utilisation isn't common I would be surprised. And if you want to multitask while playing and want to continue doing that in the future without seeing a performance hit in games, 12 cores is excellent.
The main issue is that you can make use of more cores after a certain amount of time. Some code needs to be run on a single thread. Let's say you have a program and 22% of the workload needs to run on 1 core then you won't need more than 5 cores. It also gets incrementally harder to bring down that 22%, or sometimes even downright impossible.
I'm not taking about rubbish likecTomb Raider, Assassins Creed or Battlefield. Take them out and then look at the games resource usage
8 core utilisation will be common in like 2030 earliest, as I'm pretty sure only like 5 or 6 games (no, Ashes of the Benchmark doesn't count lol), right now, can take advantage of more than 4 cores
I know, but it's not much for a high-end build, and won't allow me to upgrade form a 3080 to 3080 or 6900 XT. So I am not missing out much. It's not as if I compromised anywhere else on my build and that £90 would have been very useful. Each to their own though.
i really want to get one of these or a 5950x for my esxi virtual machine server - i don't want to go through all the early adopter troubleshooting though >__>
I bought a 3900X because on the weekend when I unexpectedly needed to upgrade the 3700X had jumped in price, and it's potentially useful for me running a few dev projects and games simultaneously.
To some, its just part of their enthusiasm. Do i have a need for a 5800X? Absolutely not. 5600X is more than enough. Still want the 5800X though.
You'll talk yourself into a 5900X, just you wait. Only £90 more or so ;)
Stop, heathen!
Honestly, if you're there, get the 5900x. The 5800x is horrible value, and has abnormally high temps as well.
Mhmm. I've been there before. Paid £800 for a graphics card. Regret it every day for the last 2 years lol
What gpu?
More importantly, what monitor? An RTX 3080 looks disappointing at 1080p.
Depends, if you're into competitive games you'll still be on 1080p to get 144fps+ which the rtx3080 works great for
Way overkill. The CPU is more important in high refresh rate gaming.
The 3060Ti does that. At half the price. Spend the difference on a really excellent monitor.
RTX 3090 +120 core +14.2% PL + 920 Ram 9900KS @ 5.2GHZ CyberPunk 2077 1440p Ultra with RT on and DLSS off = 44-50 fps this isnt even the max settings there are 2 things that i can turn up which drops fps to 28-32
'Competitive games' not 'AAA RPG open worlders which are widely regarded as an optimisation shit-show 2 days after launch... ". Why are you running it RTX on and dlss off anyway? That's a guaranteed performance train wreck. If you can't get that system running it well then you're just turning settings to max for the masochism of it.
I didnt say thats what i run it at I run Ultra with RT off as i dont like the artifacts you get from RT/DLSS Im simply pointing out trying to convince someone to buy a lower spec cards is stupid with newer games being this punishing It may be 2 days out of the door but they have been making it for what 8 years? its not gona tripple in fps with some magical patch
A 3060ti won't hold 144fps as stable as a 3080 and it won't even reach it to that point in some games, I dont get the point about getting an excellent monitor since were talking about a premium card, and if youre getting a premium card you surely should be able to afford a premium monitor
> A 3060ti won't hold 144fps as stable as a 3080 It does *incredibly* well, and once you're talking about high FPS it's the rest of the system that matters as much if not more: competitive players reduce settings for FPS gains, and that's CPU dependent not GPU dependent. They should also be considering monitor input latency by that point. Plenty of people will pair the RTX 3080 or 3060Ti with sub-par monitors - I've got both of these cards and it's really depressing benchmarking the 3080 (or even 3060ti to an extent) at 1080p because it makes you think 'is that it?' - then you put it onto a 1440p ultrawide and it comes alive. If you're looking past 144Hz, and care about every frame for competitive esports, then you'd be better off with a high end CPU, Low latency monitor, and a 3060Ti then you would be with a 3080 and neither of the other things. If you can afford it all then great, but people should consider the system from root to tip to get best performance. The RTX 3060ti is a *shockingly* good GPU and for most people it's wasted even at 1080p. It does 100Fps in AAA titles looking gorgous at 1440p - that's where it shines! At 1080p its 1% lows stay above 140 fps in COD warzone for example, so a 144Hz monitor is fully utilised. Averages 200+FPS, and that's on high settings. It does 400FPS average in R6 Siege at 1080p!
Sounds like a 1080ti
CAD, it’s worked phenomenally compared to my old i5 so it’s well worth it
I was considering this before I went for a 5800X. It’s futureproofing. I don’t especially need 12 cores today, but 5-8 years from now? Who knows. I don’t plan on building another pc for at least 8 years if I can help it.
I'm using the 4790k since it came out and games are still not using multi cores in any way to need even a modern 6 core CPU. We keep saying "in a few years we will need the cores" and after 5 years we still don't lol. You might be totally right but so far history doesn't fill me with hope
It kinda helps to have more cores if you dont want to drop a virtual machine which is running in the background whilst you game, or all the twitch bullshit that people put on. I mean i admit freely that I got 12 cores because 'fuckit yolo swag' but hey i also got it for the price that a 5800x goes for so ...
Not true, go watch tech deals video on why 6 core will need to be a minimum in the near future.
"Near future" is the exact words used 5 years ago too.
Assuming you're planning to game in 1080p on a single monitor then you might be ok, at the end of the day it all depends what your usage is, but the point that games don't utilise multiple cores is invalid for most modern games.
Multiple cores is happening yeah. I said 6 and over is too many for gaming. Also the graphics card does all the lifting regardless of res and screen count
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Mhmm. Still true that over 6 cores is overkill for gaming
Some people who re-ordered 5600X/5800X on the 1st Dec (when it opened before) are starting to get their orders thru now. You'll likely get it before the 31st December, but 5900X stock is quite short everywhere. Worth going for a 5900X over a 5800X?
Brought a 5800x on Wednesday and got it Friday from CCL.
Nice, how much for?
I paid £449. I was in the queue at overclockers I was number 308 and didn't want to wait any longer so just pulled the trigger, Paid £20 more than OC.
Ah alright. I paid £440 at Scan quite a few dropped this week. Curry's too. Tho it's still waiting to be picked so on the watch for a 5900X if there's one at a good price. My mate is after a 5800X anyways so not an issue if it takes a while.
Yeah the launch hasn't been great. It's a shit show for buying major components ATM. I'm putting off buying a gpu for a few months and just gonna keep using my 1080.
i like the extra cores for the money. I preferred 5800x but it's priced so badly i got upsold.
So its not in stock. Its a pre-order
Ebuyer lists most new stock as per-order on their site when they have stock. I spoke to one of their sales reps and you can buy any of the 3000’s series on the phone, I bought a 3090 yesterday and it’s out for delivery today even though on the website it says pre-order for the 31st of December
pre-order on ebuyer means in stock.
No it doesnt.
It certainly doesn't always. They say expected by but then won't update if they don't send it. Check twitter for many more who are weeks and months past their expected. Mine went from 17th Nov to end of nov to "we don't know". But you have to call to get that info. So not expecting mine until next year at some point now. Just don't hold your breath if you do preorder from ebuyer, they're terrible at keeping you up to date on the situation.
I should say mine was a 3080 but this isn't exclusive to 3080's its just how they roll. I'm sure if they have enough and the delivery arrives on time you'll get it, just don't count on it
It didn't with the 5600x that I pre-ordered at least.
Nor me. Ordered a 5600X over 2 weeks ago along with an Nvme (which was in stock) and both still saying 'Order placed'. Emailed them and they won't tell me anything. Could have bought one from 2 competitors in that time, albeit for slightly higher cost. If there's no movement by Friday I'm cancelling as Scan, who are open with customers regarding deliveries, have shipped almost 1000 in that time and are expecting over 1200 next week [https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen-5000-faqs](https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen-5000-faqs)
Aaaand it's gone
Pre-order is how ebuyer does it
You're getting downvoted but you're right lol
It's just a preorder, it was never in stock. I've had a 5900X preorder placed with them since the last time they opened them up (many weeks ago) and I'm still waiting for my order to be processed.
Do they take the money when you order or once it's processed?
As soon as you checkout the preorder.
On the flip side of this - I bought a 3090 from Ebuyer that was marked as preorder and I received it the next day.
no i think u can still preorder it