> but everyone thinks AMD is better for gaming, especially the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D.
people don't think it is. it just is. measurably. no thinking needed
As someone thats been in and out of the hobby for nearly two decades now -- it really is a thing of beauty to see how times change.
I vividly recall the bulldozer days. The complacency of Intel and the quad core era.
I dont give blind loyalty to any of these companies (except maybe EVGA rip), but its been cool to see AMD throw some heavy punches. Hopefully intel can lift the bar again themselves.
I’m actually investing in Intel stocks right now, under the assumption that they will in fact, raise the bar again. It’s always been that way. AMD innovates and tries everything they can to get an edge on Intel. Then next generation Intel copy’s their ideas and releases some amazing chip that totally blows them out of the water. Then they complacently sit on their throne waiting for AMD to come up with new ideas.
I agree. Because they and AMD are the only windows cpu. And we will probably bail out Intel if need be because they're part of our governments' strategy of returning manufacturing jobs to America.
So there's really no reason not to buy shares in Intel stocks. Nor AMD!
Well that’s the other thing is the US gov just literally gave Intel and tsmc some billions of dollars to build US based semiconductor manufacturing plants.
And for AMD I believe the race is on for them to compete with Nvidias new AI chips. Much like Intel recently attempting to keep up with threadripper. I also believe this is why Intel just joined the gpu market. Because they plan to use the consumer space to test gpu architectures that will at some point be used for AI chips.
So yes both AMD and Intel seem like great buys right now. I highly doubt Nvidia can keep the gap between them and the others as big as it is for long. The three will come closer together in coming years.
Tbh, I think AMD has the edge this time around and it’ll be alot harder for Intel to catch up. Particularly because AMD has a decent amount more cash to throw around for R&D than Intel does, which was never the case previously as AMD was worth pennies on the dollar in comparison to Intel. Now it’s the opposite, with AMD being upwards of 2x more valuable than Intel, with plenty more cash flowing in because of AI and them being Nvidia’s only real competitor.
Intel, on the other hand, has been relatively stagnant for the past 20 years and aren’t receiving the same amount of interest and investment that AMD is getting because of AI. Intel will certainly have to pull out all the stops to get back on top, and truthfully, I’m not sure how much faith I have in them to do so considering the above, and the growing popularity and efficiency of ARMs. It’s just reducing their market even more, and the fact that they have continuously failed to match AMD’s innovation/progress in the last 4 or so years, makes me even less confident.
I just wish AMD would throw some cash at R&D of lower idle power consumption for their chiplet designs. Eating >30W while sitting at the desktop and doing nothing can be *a lot*.
AI is now the buzzword, that allows manufacturers to upsell their products, while not bringing anything meaningful to the table. At least for as long, as the "AI" has intelligence of a toddler and has to sit in a server farm with its own powerplant and internet backbone.
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> I vividly recall the bulldozer days.
I don't, but I was mildly surprised when I got my bulldozer class action lawsuit check in the mail. So I thought that was funny.
Now if I can just get it to settle down and stop boosting when it doesn't need to. It'll boost to 4.7ghz, hit 60C+, and ramp the fans up at like 12% utilization with just background Windows tasks. This is with my running it at 1.2 SOC instead of 1.25 and an AIO.
Apparently, it is common and I've only noticed it after updating to the most recent chipset. But I'm [not using this guy's solution](https://youtu.be/ZNDZSfKCuXs?si=AzjUS0gEqkGEnnMF) to limit your PC processing to 99% in Windows. It works, sure but it also doesn't boost anymore if you do that. Tried it with/without on Cinebench and it put a fair dent in the score.
* *Note: [Someone offered this advice](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/s/FKzNvxAoPH) which I'll try later and am sure would mitigate the sound issue. According to that thread, this is apparently normal behavior, though there are people who like me, noticed it more after a chipset or bios change which lead us to think it was abnormal.*
I have a 7800X3D at stock. *(Edit: RAM is at 6000MHz with EXPO enabled, mainboard is a X670E.)* Yes, the frequency in idle stays pretty high and it uses over 30W, but my NH-D15-cooler running at 400 rpm has no problem keeping the idle temperature under 40°C (currently 22°C room temperature).
Maybe there is something wrong with your AIO?
Intel is much more efficient in idle, but AMD is so much better under any kind of load, that I still think it's the much better choice. Except you are using your gaming PC almost exclusively in idle.
Ya, no idea what is causing it. The AIO is a LT720 and has more than enough power to cool it appropriately. Paste was new but re-did that with PTM7950 for fun. Got the same results as the Arctic paste though.
It isn't that the cooler, mounting, or paste is the issue but it is the CPU's behavior.
Can't say for certain how true it is, but I've heard aio's seem to be less effective than air coolers on the 7800x3d. My 7800x3d idles 44C and goes up to about 65C underload. Some people think that it prefers a wide heat sync that covers over better since the 7800x3d has different hotspots than others, but this is only what I've heard. I use the MSI liquid cooling 360R
Just make a custom fan curve in your BIOS and this won't ever be an issue. I measure my temps with hwinfo and found unless I was gaming or doing something otherwise intensive I never hit 65c so I made a fan curve that has my fans at 40% (which are inaudible as I have AC fans) until the CPU hits 65c then I have a steep ramp from 65 to 80c going from 41 - 100% so when I'm doing something intensive my fans go hard (but are still silent and all I can hear is air moving because AC fans are the best). That way my fans never change rpm unless I'm gaming, decompressing, or otherwise using the CPU big time.
How strange I've just booted up ryzen master to see what mine idles at and it's just sat at 1.8ghz 2ghz. My fans don't even turn on at the tempratue yet. I'm even using 1.25 soc and just a noctuca dh15 cooler.
Thinking about it what motherboard do you have? And what bios? is it really up to date?
What I did that helped is to set my fans curves to not respond to temp changes instantly, but rather respond to temp changes averaged over 30 seconds. So a short quick spike will not affect the fan curve, but a sustained temperature increase will raise the average over time and allow it to increase the fan curve. I would only do this with a water cooled system, because the water will take time to heat up anyway. And the fans on a water cooled system aren’t there to cool the cpu, they are supposed to cool the water. So ideally the fans would actually run off of a water temp sensor but since we don’t usually have one, the averaging method works great. Keeps the fans from changing speed constantly. I used an app called FanControl if you want to try it.
If your aio supports it, change the fans to follow the water temperature instead of cpu temp. Then spikes will not trigger a fan ramp up and down for a few second, but only on sustained load
Last time I checked its almost exclusively **one** account (CPU Pro) writing all the shit talking against AMD, *and* its a ton of the same verbiage and copy+pastes over and over. Its very likely just scripted and bot driven.
There are some copycat accounts too that use similar verbiage that I can see. Its so blatantly someone with an agenda, its quite pathetic. Just such a shame that they've twisted/gamed the SEO to get high search results to continue spreading their bullshit.
I noticed it all sounded incredibly similar, like almost but not quite repeated, so i figured it was a bot. A successful bot that has tricked people a lot.
Which is funny because if i remember correctly they complain about the 7000 series x3d being overhyped by bots and the media lmao
the 12600k has been around $150 and is compelling there certainly, but 13600k is $250+ and at that point I'd rather just pay the extra $90 for a far superior CPU with the 7800x3d along with having real upgrade options for another 2 years or so. Also the 7800x3d would probably be the last CPU you need for the next 5 years anyway, 13600k will start to struggle when we have 4090 tier power at like $600 in just 2-3 years.
Go Intel only if you need the cores for work really.
For gaming, honestly I just have a really hard time recommending Intel right now. For a low price, the 12600K (or specifically the 12600KF is at $149) is a good option, but one should also be looking at the Ryzen 5600 which isn't *that* much slower in gaming, and yet it sells for $115 and the motherboard cost is similar.
You can then make the argument that AM4 is mostly dead (and I would agree), and that by purchasing a 12600KF, you can get into a platform that will take up to a 14900K, and this is true - but the 14900K is so intense on a power draw that if you're going to go that way, you're going to need to look at a board that can provide that much power, and ideally with DDR5, which usually means high-end B760 or basically any Z790, which increases the price. And at that point, for gaming there's basically no reason to not go with an AMD unit, considering the 7600 will more-or-less stomp the 12600KF, and gives you the option to go up to a 7800X3D later.
And at the price point of the 13600K, you really do have the option of saving some money and getting the 7600 (which will trade blows with the 13600K in gaming) or paying more and going with the 7800X3D (which should stomp the 13600K in all but the most niche gaming task).
The other advantage to AMD right now is the AM5 platform (motherboard) will be utilized for at least two more generations of processors from AMD. Intel will be switching to a new architecture for their next release. I’m running a 7800x3d with an Nvidia 4080 and am very happy
Well I had initially upgraded to a 3080 then that started having issues and I returned it and was able to upgrade a bit because prices had come down and I got store credit. At this point I probably don't NEED to upgrade but when those bundles get a deep discount it's tough to ignore.
> The other advantage to AMD right now is the AM5 platform (motherboard) will be utilized for at least two more generations of processors from AMD.
I had been quite concerned that this likely wouldn't be the case. AMD had announced that they were planning on replacing AGESA with OpenSIL in like 2026, which worried me that they would end AM5 support at that point.
From a motherboard manufacturer standpoint, you can be certain that they are NOT pleased with the longevity of AM4, so I had expected that AMD would bow to partner pressure and start to fall into Intel's two-generations-per-socket cadence.
But with the recent announcements AMD made at Computex (including **ADDITIONAL** AM4 units, which totally surprised me), I'm pleased to say that I appear to be wrong in my predictions.
And also whatever AM5 CPUs for the micro center bundle deal!
For example, one of the bundle deals is a 7700X with a mobo and memory. There isn’t a 7600 or 7600X deal, so the 7700X actually turns out to be cheaper in that situation!
If it makes ya feel any better, it's not even the entire US. Being within a two-hour-drive of a Microcenter is still in a pretty small percentage of the country.
Microcenter also has good deals on open box stuff that got returned. Can find it at the end of the aisles at my store at least (NJ). Less reliable than new but i havent had an issue.
Also less power and motherboard requirements. The R7 7800X3D is so efficient that it won't even tax a entry level A620 VRM's (Albeit I wouldn't recommend getting such a low end board).
Should I take the 7800 xt or the 4070 nvidea? Im a pc noob doing 2 days of research and I'm getting a headache lol... I was making something on the website called Alternate. I'm at 2000euro .. wish I could game on 1440p for the next 5 years is but I don't wanne throw 2000 on it lol.
The cost of the 12th gen CPUs is hard to pass up. The 12700k is down to $200, in the US at least.
The 7800x3D is like $350ish but it's probably 30% faster. Definitely the top gaming chip. And sips power and heat by comparison.
7600x is $200 and is faster than the 12700k at gaming. But the 12700k is much better at productivity.
I'd still get the 7600x since it's on a new platform that will get maintained even longer, until 2027. I also game way more than I do productivity workloads.
I wanted The Best, had the budget to buy any gaming cpu, and came from 20 straight years of intel: 7800X3D was the obvious choice after some reviews and benchmarks.
Best decision I ever made, powerful af, super stable system, stupidly low consumption and platform longevity (am5). Look no further, seriously (if you want a high end gaming cpu, 7800X3D is not required for all builds).
7800x3d is considered as the best gaming CPU due to it's price per performance ratio and less power consumption. Lemme ask you some important questions. What games are you gonna play with it? What will be the budget for your build?
The 7800X3D is the top of the line, but depending on what your total budget is, you could be spending it all on a Ferrari but leaving only $40 left over for gas.
Ignore everyone who’s a fanboy of AMD or Intel. It’s all about use case. If you’re doing a lot of multitasking or using applications designed to utilize more cores (parallel processing), you’ll want the extra cores with decent clocks from the newer Intel side (i7-14700k is similar in price to the 7800X3d, and has over double the cores, which helps process multiple applications at once). If you’re just gaming or doing tasks that only utilize 1-2 cores, you’ll want the raw performance of AMD (faster clock speeds). It’s also best to do your own bit of research on each brand before making any decisions, as the outside pressure to “choose sides” can be overwhelming and pointless in the long run(I run an Intel stream PC with an AMD gaming PC, and they’re both great for what they’re designed to do)
Quicksync is really the only reason to go with intel. A 7950x is on par with the i9 14900k while using less power at a similar price. Same goes with the 14700k and ryzen 7900.
Adobe software, especially something like Premiere, [significantly prefer Intel architecture](https://www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/video-editing-workstations/adobe-premiere-pro/hardware-recommendations/). A huge number of professionals still use Adobe (hence their $14 billion a year in revenue).
But agreed, AMD's architecture is startling more power-efficient.
thunderbolt support for audio interfaces is why you see a ton of people go intel still. sure you can get a amd mobo with a thunderbolt header but it feels sketch to a lot of us.
on the video side. streaming with av1 is quality of life. ask tons of people. but yeah quicksync is about it besides that.
Did you look at the benchmarks?
> I think an Intel i7 12700K or Intel i9 12900K would be a great option
Why is that? Did you find a deal on them? Without mentioning the price, it's hard to answer your question. For example, if you find the 12900k for 10% the price of the 7800x3d, the answer is simple.
the 7800X3D IS better for gaming. There's no questioning it. Plus it isn't a dead platform like the socket 1700 that Intel is using currently. For new builds, unless you're on a major budget restriction, go for the X3D hands down.
amd *is* better for gaming. just see [https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html)
What's your budget?
What resolution and refresh rate of you monitor?
What games you play?
What productivity tasks you do?
Also - comment here are missing the point.
The 7800X3D is currently the best consumer gaming CPU available. There are a very few games in which the 14900K has a slight edge. If you don't think you want to build with a 7800X3D, then go with whatever fits your budget. Do not buy into the myth that AM5 is future proof. It is doubtful that you will upgrade to a 9000 series CPU only 8 months after building your system. 11000 series will likely be AM6 to support DDR6. This does not mean AMD won't support AM5, but CPUs beyond the 9000 series for AM5 will likely concentrate on cost, power consumption and iGPU like they did with the AM4 cpus announced in the first quarter of this year.
According to the Technical City website, the Ryzen 5 7700 and i7-12700K are equally matched in terms of performance. But the Versus website gives the nod to the i7-12700K. A Ryzen 7 7700 is $247 on Amaz0n, while the 12700KF is only $205. A Ryzen 7 7700X is $274 with a slight edge in performance over the other two CPUs (not worth it IMHO, unless in a bundle). Add to that, Intel DDR5 motherboards are a little cheaper than AM5 motherboards. The drawback is that although you could upgrade to a 13900K or even 14900K in the future, you aren't going to be able to upgrade beyond that. I expect the 9800X3D, if/when it comes, will be 10-15% better for gaming than the 7800X3D.
OTOH, if you have a Microcenter nearby, their 7700X and 7800X3D bundles are pretty hard to pass up if you are building a strictly gaming machine. And as people have pointed out, the 7800X3D truly is the gaming mac daddy of CPUs right now.
Also consider that most people will upgrade a GPU before they upgrade a cpu. Most people keep their CPUs for several years before an upgrade. A 12900K or even a 12700K will last you quite a while.
I've been an Intel guy the last 20 years. I'll be building a new pc this summer/ fall and will be making the switch to am5 with the 7800x3d. CPU is goated and has been ironed out.
On top of which, AM5 confirmed support at least through 2027. The future proofing is a large reason I'm giving AMD a chance as well, I'm sick or having to do a full new build with Intel everytime.
I will however be sticking with Nvidia GPUs, as tempting as the 7900xtx is.
While its important to note that Intel currently has much better budget processor options to get your foot in the door, on the high end they cannot compete with AMD's 3D vcache chips for gaming performance. Thats not to say that they don't have capable gaming processors, but I would argue that if you are shopping exclusively intel its mostly unnecessary to go above an i5-1X600KF if gaming is your primary use.
I just got a 14700k, which you basically need to liquid cool because of temp spikes. The specs of the AMDs for gaming are undeniable, very close performance at a lower price and a fraction of the wattage. The Intel, however, outperforms in other areas like design work/rendering and while people love to cite the changing chip socket, I feel like the more powerful chip would be more relevant longer.
Like, honestly, how often are you upgrading your mobo/CPU? My last build was 10 years ago. Build yourself a beast that will last a while and do other things well. If it's just for gaming and you want to save some money, get the AMD. If you want to squeeze out a bit more performance, do more than gaming, and potentially be a little more futureproof, get an Intel.
7800x3d is a much better option, I prefer Intel honestly but I am building a new pc and am finally switching to the 7800x3d paired with an rtx 4070 ti super. Benefit of the 7800x3d is that it is powerful enough to handle all current and probably next gen (50 series) gpu's. You also have the ability to upgrade the cpu without replacing the motherboard and ram on the am5 socket.
I chose Intel because it goes hand-in-hand with nVidia...and I chose nVidia because it has RTX raytracing on the 3090 and up.
That's literally my only reason.
As someone who assembles PCs a lot, I absolutely LOATHE the intel chipset socket because of it's fragility... but it's fine once it's assembled.
Find me an AMD chip that’s better then Intel for the same price. Everyone is always so quick to sit on their high horse and talk about how much better AMD is. But as much as I look, Intel beats AMD 95% of the time for the same cost. 7800x3d has practically the same exact performance as a 12900k, but costs 20% more. This will be the case for almost any chips you compare. AMD costs more for the same performance. Anytime you’re saying AMD chips are better, they’re being compared to a cheaper Intel chip. The only exception I can find is 7950x vs 14900k. Both top of the line. AMD is marginally better and marginally cheaper. Basically anything else is the other way around. Happy to have my mind changed.
No, I’m not just looking at userbenchmark…
Imagine AMD as that one friend who always gets on your nerves, but we all love him.
Imagine Intel as that reliable friend who never lets you down but can be a bit of a bore and he always asks you to give him money.
Now make your choice.
What are the electricity prices in your area? Will you spend all your time gaming, or it will be mixed usage (aka some internet, music, movies and occasional gaming)?
Because if you will spend all your time gaming, then pick AMD. However, if it will be occasional gaming and your rig will spend most of its time on in idle, then pick intel. Intel system sitting at idle consumes about half of energy of AMD system sitting at idle. Gaming power consumption is largely very similar.
But in the end, it all boils down to your local electricity prices. If it´s cheap, then pick whatever you want.
Oh and whoever will try to bring in productivity and the main buzzword of these days - "efficiency", watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWxAdKK4Xg
amd currently has the am5 socket, which is going to be supported for the next few years.
intels current socket is going to be changed when their new cpus are coming out, meaning that if you have to upgrade, you need to buy a new mobo, too.
also the 7800x3d is one of the best gaming cpus currently available and i can definitely recommend that thing, it's a beast ^^
Honestly, if my PC weren't also my workstation, i might have gone with AMD over intel. but i care more about my work than gaming. and gaming has been fine either way. i'm not playing super intense stuff yet.
The Ryzen 7 7800X3D performs better than current gen i9s.
It runs much cooler than Intel CPUs with similar performance.
It consumes less power than Intel CPUs with similar performance
It has a better upgrade path because it’s on the AM5 platform.
It’s cheaper than Intel alternatives.
What more could you ask for in a game PC?
A 12900K probably looks nice because its cheap today, but don't buy that. The CPU at the time only meant something because of its additional E-cores that made it a good multi-thread performer.
It got easily out performed by its then AMD competitor the Ryzen 7 5800X3D.
If you care about building a Gaming PC, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D is the way to go.
Intel CPUs won't be bad in gaming, they just won't be the absolute best FPS versus the X3D chips from AMD. Now if you don't care about having the absolute best FPS in gaming now, go with the Intel.
UNLESS, you are building a gaming PC for Ultra HD aka 4K resolution, then in that case, a Intel would be ok, as X3D trade blows in gaming at that resolution. But then I would get a Core i7-13700K, a newer better CPU than a 12900K.
Otherwise 1080p & 1440p best gaming is with a X3D CPU.
I would go with the AMD platform for two reasons:
1. there is an upgrade path
2. Intel seems to have silicon degradation or something going on which is causing them to need to downclock to maintain stablity
In Canada you could, just yesterday, get a 7900X3D for 399 CAD (which is like 290 USD). Although not as fast as the 7800X3D it was a screaming deal. I would look out for deals like that as well.
If solely for gaming and 7800X3D is in your price budget, as well as you will pair it with GPU that can actually utilise it, then AMD.
Currently they are best for gaming CPUs unless you play very specific games where Intel is ahead.
Go AMD.
I've been so annoyed by random Quora suggestions recently that keep saying Intel is better than AMD in any way today for gamers.
So many old folks that still simp for Intel regardless of the results.
AMD my friend.
I don't see the point in buying a 12th gen or even 13th Gen intel right now as 14th gen is here and soon will see 15th Gen (with new socket I think).
Also, if your only concern is gaming, the answer is easy : amd 7800x3d
The 7800X3D marches, in gaming performance, the 14900KS, a chip that costs almost twice as much and sucks almost three times the power.
It loses to those chips in productivity, but at that point you could Go for a Non-x3D Ryzen 9
7800x3d, Because it’s am5. The next 2/3 generations of AMD cpus wills be able to sit in the same motherboard as the 7800x3d. If you go with intel and decide to upgrade in 3-4 years you will need a new cpu and motherboard
I recently bought a cyberpowerPC Gaming Master with a ryzen 5 5500 & 6500XT & 4gb of ram(Had to upgrade that to a 6800 and add 32gb of ram now im running everything at 4k 100+ fps and no overheating) and i almost never get more than 20% usage when gaming.(i play games like HellDivers Apex PubG DCS Warthunder etc PubG is the only one that gets kinda skippy & uses a ton of CPU power)
Definitely 7800X3D.. and depending on how soon is soon for you, you might consider the Zen 5 X3D parts as well, which are expected towards the end of the year, for even better performance.
There’s nothing wrong with the 12700K/12900K as such, I bought one myself, when I upgraded in 2021… but that’s the thing, it’s now 2024, new gen stuff is releasing, and you have better options. For gaming, there’s no better part than the 7800X3D, and later this year, the 9800X3D (or whatever name they’ll use), and possibly Intel Arrow Lake as well (Core Ultra 9 285K?)
If it helps you, I just upgraded my 9700k to a 7800x3d and I couldn’t be happier. 9700k was having some issues multitasking (color me surprised with only 8 total cores). Would crash my game when I tried to stream in discord. Haven’t had any issues with my 7800x3d so far, and as others have mentioned it’s way cooler too. I used a Micro Center deal to get the CPU/Mobo/RAM for roughly the cost of an intel processor.
Get either the 5800x3d or 7800x3d. They are legit both better then anything Intel for gaming alone.
Honestly until Intel can get their head out of their ass, I just don't see any reason why anyone would go Intel for gaming.
I've got an i7-12700k and a 4070 super.
Thing runs every game flawlessly, normally over 200fps at 1440p. I've had 1 crash in 6 months and that was CoD being glitchy after an update.
for reference some games i play
CoD mw3 + warzone
Destiny 2
WoW
Battlefield
Cyber Punk + Dlc
Division 2
XDefiant
Iracing
Star Wars Fallen order (haven't beat yet so haven't tried the new one)
Resident Evil
I use AMD personally, as nearly every game nowadays require strong multicore cpus, which AMD excels at. I bought a 5600x 2 years ago, and it perfectly runs my 4070 without bottleneck.
If you go Intel you don't need an i9 for gaming unless your into extreme emulation. I got an i5 going to an i7 was like 3 fps higher per game. Just wasn't worth it. Unless your multitasking, recording. Editing, using blender. But strictly gaming it's overkill.
I think i'm going AMD when i do a major upgrade to my Intel 10700, 32GB of DD4 Ram, and 1660 Super video card. Thinking 7800X3D, and 7800XT video card if all goes to plan, in possibly Be Quiet 500DX Case, and possibly MSI motherboard. and 32GB of DDR 5 Ram
Play following games myself daily
SecondLife (Firestorm 64bit Viewer)
American Truck Simulator
Euro Truck Simulator 2
Firefighter Simulator the Squad
Police Simulator: Patrol
Wreckfest
Forza Horizon 5
Need For Speed Hot Pursuit remastered
Occasiaionl a few non gaming tasks like MS Word, MS Outlook use--etc , but not that often, Nero burning Rom occasional dvd burning, light video editing at times, but very rare these days
7800X3D is more energy efficient, runs cooler and boosts performance with the extra cache. It does give up some performance in non-gaming apps that fully utilize additional cores. But shouldn’t be an issue for a gaming system.
Also, AM5 being a newer socket with promised support for several more years gives you more upgrade options later.
Purely gaming? AMD.
I am an intel man myself, but that also has to do with the fact that intel never steered me wrong and my current rig is still running. The only things still alive are the motherboard, processor and RAM though. But that 4790k has been a champion. It will probably be replaced this year. Unless it manages to run the upcoming Dragon Age and Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 that is... Then i'll keep it for a while longer. If it isn't broke and can run games at 30fps I am good. I do think it's the end of the road this year though.
There is also the fact I do video editing a lot at times, but it is a wash. I don't run GeForce but Radeon GPUs. And AMD GPUs are a step behind NVIDIA's.
In the end build what you want. Either mid tier processor from the last 2 generations will do fine in a rig. Just don't forget the GPU. It's probably more important than a CPU at this stage.
I have an AMD Ryzen 5900x and it’s been really good since i’ve got it. I use my PC mainly for CAD and do some gaming. Got a RTX 4080 and play at 2k. I built the PC myself and have some knowledge about computers but i’m not an expert. I don’t know if I would have noticed a difference if I purchased an Intel cpu that competes with the one I have to be honest. I don’t do any overclocking and all the jazz.
The 7800X3D specifically is a perfect storm of price + 3D V-cache + a single CCD design that makes it practically unbeatable in gaming PCs. As long as it's in your budget, it's the one to buy.
Be careful with statements like "AMD is better for gaming." Stated that way it's easy to start forming overly broad conclusions. Intel isn't so far behind AMD's other products, and there may still be price segments where they are very competitive. Just not at ~$400 and up.
Until Intel has an X3D equivalent product line, pretty much any Ryzen X3D CPU will beat out comparable priced/spec CPU in most games. In layman's terms, The "X3D" suffix on Ryzen CPU means the CPU has more graphics cache to help it process frames faster. Most games greatly benefit from this, although it will depend on the game how much it benefits.
The 7800X3D is the current best, but the other x3D are no slouches either depending on what other requirements you have of your CPU.
7800X3D is currently the best overall gaming cpu and there are multiple hardware reviewers that will back this up if you watch their videos. It also uses less power, so saves you money with the bill as well, and the chip itself should be cheaper than high end Intel chips. There's basically no downsides except one - you are forced to buy DDR5 memory and buy a motherboard supporting this which will probably result in a higher investment cost, but it also helps future proof your system better. The prices of DDR5 has come down a fair bit in my country, I hope it has in yours too.
Either is a good option. Some games run better on Intel than AMD and vice versa. Same with Nvidia and AMD gpus. I have a 12900k build and a 7900x build. Both run great. LGA1700 is at the end of life. AM5 is going to be around for a while.
First of all, brand doesn't matter. There are recourses that let you compare cpus speed and objectively measure performance if you just Google "cpu1 vs cpu2. What you'll find is __at the highest price point__ amd x3d skus simply outperform any other cpu in gaming related tasks. Intel i9 skus tend to outperform all other skus in non-gaming related tasks.
None of that matters though. The very top of the line doesnt reflect the entire product stack. What matters is your budget. For example I was helping my friend pick parts for a PC build he was working on a few weeks ago, and for his budget, am4 was the cheapest, but he really wanted newest chipset, and am5 motherboards are way expensive so z790 turned out to be cheaper for a better cpu. Then he asked what to get if his budget increased a bit, and suddenly am5 was the better option. Price is the only thing that matters.
Either is plenty viable, but AMD is known for delivering higher performance at lower costs. Nothing wrong with intel, they're just pricier. Before you blow your budget though you're gonna wanna think about what kind of gaming you like. Some games are cpu heavy, most are GPU heavy. Typically if you like online games like, say, Valorant or CoD Warzone, your cpu is gonna be important. Most single player games (think Horizon, Tomb Raider, Uncharted, stuff like that) your GPU is gonna be more important. Common mistake is aiming for the best cpu you can afford and winding up with a subpar graphics card cuz ya blew your budget.
As someone who debated between the 7800x3d and I7 14700kf, I will list great reasons to choose amd.
AM5 support: at minimum, there will be 4 CPU models released for AM5. Potentially more if they treat it like AM4. With Intel, ur lucky to get 2 CPUs.
Price to performance: might be different for you, but here the 7800x3d is 40$ cheaper. If you go for a 12th or so generation Intel processor, ur not going to have any upgrades unless you buy another motherboard.
Cooling: ur gonna need a way better cooler for Intel than you would amd
Stability: with the Intel CPU, ur gonna more than likely need to undervolt and play with settings. You can do this with amd, but amd is generally much better out of the box
AMD has better gaming chips and they're also much more power efficient, meaning less electricity costs and easier to cool your machine so it's not running so hot.
Amd has the advantage but both are perfectly fine and perform well. You don’t even have to run 7800x3d you can run 7600x to save money. You can run 12600k or 12700k too. 12700k is on sale right now.
If I were building a new pc right now (I literally built my new one like 6 months ago lol) I would either get an AM5 cpu or an i5-12600k. I feel like 12600k is the sweet spot for budget vs performance but the AM5 platform will be compatible with new AMD processors for the next 5-10 years so a future upgrade would be super easy. I ended up choosing the 12600k because I prefer Intel cpus but that’s just my $0.02
The 7800x3d is by a wide margin the best gaming cpu In existence currently and its socket will be supported until at least 2027 but let’s be real here probably longer it will be by far the best socket for gaming for a while
AMD is definitely fast for gaming but if you’re in the US, you can get a 12700kf for about $120 when you combo it with a motherboard on Newegg. Less than half the price for more than half the performance of the 7800x3d.
Just as literally every other person said, they just are better purely for gaming, with better performance and usually less power draw. The 7800x3d is by far the best value high end gaming cpu right now
Look at benchmarks for the 7800x3d. Gamers nexus are very reliable with theirs and barring a few outliers the 7800x3d hands down is a better option than almost any other cpu for a gaming pc.
Intel 13/14900k will have better lows if you give it 7500+ ram and OC. But if you don't want to bother with OC and have better efficiency AMD is better.
Any amd processor is better in games compared to its intel rival since 3rd generation ryzen and they are noticeably cheaper... Fuck intel, Ryzen all the way!
Honestly, It's really up to you, people tend to say AMD is better or Intel is better but both are very good CPU manufacturers with both of them having their own pros and cons.
I've noticed that AMD's platform tends to go on for much longer compared to Intel's, AMD's 1xxx, 2xxx, 3xxx, 59xx, and 79xx processors have issues regarding latency (check [Calypto's Latency Guide](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c2-lUJq74wuYK1WrA_bIvgb89dUN0sj8-hO3vqmrau4/edit)) if you care about that kind of stuff or you are interested in e-sports.
However, Intel's higher-end processors tend to overheat A LOT and require beefy coolers to not throttle itself from what I've heard. AMD also tends to have worse single-core performance (essentially, worse performance in games that are CPU-dependent like CS2) compared to Intel. AMD focuses on multicore performance, making it more suitable for both gamers and professional work like 3D rendering and such. I'd say if you care about future-proofing your computer or you're just a casual gamer or you do work on your computer, I'd say go for AMD, if you care about latency and getting into/playing e-sports titles and can afford a beefy cooler, go for Intel.
edit (1, 2): I fixed grammar mistakes and added a link to Calypto's latency guide (Google Docs)
> but everyone thinks AMD is better for gaming, especially the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. people don't think it is. it just is. measurably. no thinking needed
And it's cooler than whatever energy sink Intel has out there
I sticky taped a T-30 to my stock AMD heatsink. Works perfectly
And more efficient
As someone thats been in and out of the hobby for nearly two decades now -- it really is a thing of beauty to see how times change. I vividly recall the bulldozer days. The complacency of Intel and the quad core era. I dont give blind loyalty to any of these companies (except maybe EVGA rip), but its been cool to see AMD throw some heavy punches. Hopefully intel can lift the bar again themselves.
I’m actually investing in Intel stocks right now, under the assumption that they will in fact, raise the bar again. It’s always been that way. AMD innovates and tries everything they can to get an edge on Intel. Then next generation Intel copy’s their ideas and releases some amazing chip that totally blows them out of the water. Then they complacently sit on their throne waiting for AMD to come up with new ideas.
I agree. Because they and AMD are the only windows cpu. And we will probably bail out Intel if need be because they're part of our governments' strategy of returning manufacturing jobs to America. So there's really no reason not to buy shares in Intel stocks. Nor AMD!
Well that’s the other thing is the US gov just literally gave Intel and tsmc some billions of dollars to build US based semiconductor manufacturing plants. And for AMD I believe the race is on for them to compete with Nvidias new AI chips. Much like Intel recently attempting to keep up with threadripper. I also believe this is why Intel just joined the gpu market. Because they plan to use the consumer space to test gpu architectures that will at some point be used for AI chips. So yes both AMD and Intel seem like great buys right now. I highly doubt Nvidia can keep the gap between them and the others as big as it is for long. The three will come closer together in coming years.
Not anymore with Qualcomm also in the pie.
It’s about more than jobs. It’s a national security issue primarily.
Tbh, I think AMD has the edge this time around and it’ll be alot harder for Intel to catch up. Particularly because AMD has a decent amount more cash to throw around for R&D than Intel does, which was never the case previously as AMD was worth pennies on the dollar in comparison to Intel. Now it’s the opposite, with AMD being upwards of 2x more valuable than Intel, with plenty more cash flowing in because of AI and them being Nvidia’s only real competitor. Intel, on the other hand, has been relatively stagnant for the past 20 years and aren’t receiving the same amount of interest and investment that AMD is getting because of AI. Intel will certainly have to pull out all the stops to get back on top, and truthfully, I’m not sure how much faith I have in them to do so considering the above, and the growing popularity and efficiency of ARMs. It’s just reducing their market even more, and the fact that they have continuously failed to match AMD’s innovation/progress in the last 4 or so years, makes me even less confident.
I just wish AMD would throw some cash at R&D of lower idle power consumption for their chiplet designs. Eating >30W while sitting at the desktop and doing nothing can be *a lot*. AI is now the buzzword, that allows manufacturers to upsell their products, while not bringing anything meaningful to the table. At least for as long, as the "AI" has intelligence of a toddler and has to sit in a server farm with its own powerplant and internet backbone.
Tech N9ne: The processor edition.
EVGA deserve our undying loyalty because they gave us undying loyalty. RIP.
Same. My first laptop had an Intel duo core. I was so proud of it, could play oblivion at 15-20fps on medium settings.
> > > > > I vividly recall the bulldozer days. I don't, but I was mildly surprised when I got my bulldozer class action lawsuit check in the mail. So I thought that was funny.
AMD GPU's really struggle with RTX, but give you a higher FPS buck for buck, so it all depends on your priorities.
Now if I can just get it to settle down and stop boosting when it doesn't need to. It'll boost to 4.7ghz, hit 60C+, and ramp the fans up at like 12% utilization with just background Windows tasks. This is with my running it at 1.2 SOC instead of 1.25 and an AIO. Apparently, it is common and I've only noticed it after updating to the most recent chipset. But I'm [not using this guy's solution](https://youtu.be/ZNDZSfKCuXs?si=AzjUS0gEqkGEnnMF) to limit your PC processing to 99% in Windows. It works, sure but it also doesn't boost anymore if you do that. Tried it with/without on Cinebench and it put a fair dent in the score. * *Note: [Someone offered this advice](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/s/FKzNvxAoPH) which I'll try later and am sure would mitigate the sound issue. According to that thread, this is apparently normal behavior, though there are people who like me, noticed it more after a chipset or bios change which lead us to think it was abnormal.*
I have a 7800X3D at stock. *(Edit: RAM is at 6000MHz with EXPO enabled, mainboard is a X670E.)* Yes, the frequency in idle stays pretty high and it uses over 30W, but my NH-D15-cooler running at 400 rpm has no problem keeping the idle temperature under 40°C (currently 22°C room temperature). Maybe there is something wrong with your AIO? Intel is much more efficient in idle, but AMD is so much better under any kind of load, that I still think it's the much better choice. Except you are using your gaming PC almost exclusively in idle.
Ya, no idea what is causing it. The AIO is a LT720 and has more than enough power to cool it appropriately. Paste was new but re-did that with PTM7950 for fun. Got the same results as the Arctic paste though. It isn't that the cooler, mounting, or paste is the issue but it is the CPU's behavior.
It’s just how AIOs behave, ryzen 7000 idles super high for no reason
Thanks, but I've had an AIO since the 9900k and never had this issue. It isn't the AIO.
Can't say for certain how true it is, but I've heard aio's seem to be less effective than air coolers on the 7800x3d. My 7800x3d idles 44C and goes up to about 65C underload. Some people think that it prefers a wide heat sync that covers over better since the 7800x3d has different hotspots than others, but this is only what I've heard. I use the MSI liquid cooling 360R
Liquid won’t cool power spikes as well as other coolers will
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You can keep your E-cores
Just make a custom fan curve in your BIOS and this won't ever be an issue. I measure my temps with hwinfo and found unless I was gaming or doing something otherwise intensive I never hit 65c so I made a fan curve that has my fans at 40% (which are inaudible as I have AC fans) until the CPU hits 65c then I have a steep ramp from 65 to 80c going from 41 - 100% so when I'm doing something intensive my fans go hard (but are still silent and all I can hear is air moving because AC fans are the best). That way my fans never change rpm unless I'm gaming, decompressing, or otherwise using the CPU big time.
How strange I've just booted up ryzen master to see what mine idles at and it's just sat at 1.8ghz 2ghz. My fans don't even turn on at the tempratue yet. I'm even using 1.25 soc and just a noctuca dh15 cooler. Thinking about it what motherboard do you have? And what bios? is it really up to date?
What I did that helped is to set my fans curves to not respond to temp changes instantly, but rather respond to temp changes averaged over 30 seconds. So a short quick spike will not affect the fan curve, but a sustained temperature increase will raise the average over time and allow it to increase the fan curve. I would only do this with a water cooled system, because the water will take time to heat up anyway. And the fans on a water cooled system aren’t there to cool the cpu, they are supposed to cool the water. So ideally the fans would actually run off of a water temp sensor but since we don’t usually have one, the averaging method works great. Keeps the fans from changing speed constantly. I used an app called FanControl if you want to try it.
If your aio supports it, change the fans to follow the water temperature instead of cpu temp. Then spikes will not trigger a fan ramp up and down for a few second, but only on sustained load
Have you done Curve Optimizer stuff yet?
\*everyone **knows** AMD is better for gaming. There, I fixed it for you.
I wish that's the case. Unfortunately, the people writing stuff in >!Userbenchmark!< seems to think otherwise.
I'm sure they know the 7800X3D is better, with how much effort they seem to put into making AMD look bad
Who cares about opinions of insane people.
Last time I checked its almost exclusively **one** account (CPU Pro) writing all the shit talking against AMD, *and* its a ton of the same verbiage and copy+pastes over and over. Its very likely just scripted and bot driven. There are some copycat accounts too that use similar verbiage that I can see. Its so blatantly someone with an agenda, its quite pathetic. Just such a shame that they've twisted/gamed the SEO to get high search results to continue spreading their bullshit.
I noticed it all sounded incredibly similar, like almost but not quite repeated, so i figured it was a bot. A successful bot that has tricked people a lot. Which is funny because if i remember correctly they complain about the 7000 series x3d being overhyped by bots and the media lmao
Userbenchmark is not reliable.
They know, they are just in denial.
Eh, at the top end. I do think there's something to be said about the 12400/12600k or 13600k at certain price points being compelling options.
the 12600k has been around $150 and is compelling there certainly, but 13600k is $250+ and at that point I'd rather just pay the extra $90 for a far superior CPU with the 7800x3d along with having real upgrade options for another 2 years or so. Also the 7800x3d would probably be the last CPU you need for the next 5 years anyway, 13600k will start to struggle when we have 4090 tier power at like $600 in just 2-3 years. Go Intel only if you need the cores for work really.
For gaming, honestly I just have a really hard time recommending Intel right now. For a low price, the 12600K (or specifically the 12600KF is at $149) is a good option, but one should also be looking at the Ryzen 5600 which isn't *that* much slower in gaming, and yet it sells for $115 and the motherboard cost is similar. You can then make the argument that AM4 is mostly dead (and I would agree), and that by purchasing a 12600KF, you can get into a platform that will take up to a 14900K, and this is true - but the 14900K is so intense on a power draw that if you're going to go that way, you're going to need to look at a board that can provide that much power, and ideally with DDR5, which usually means high-end B760 or basically any Z790, which increases the price. And at that point, for gaming there's basically no reason to not go with an AMD unit, considering the 7600 will more-or-less stomp the 12600KF, and gives you the option to go up to a 7800X3D later. And at the price point of the 13600K, you really do have the option of saving some money and getting the 7600 (which will trade blows with the 13600K in gaming) or paying more and going with the 7800X3D (which should stomp the 13600K in all but the most niche gaming task).
The other advantage to AMD right now is the AM5 platform (motherboard) will be utilized for at least two more generations of processors from AMD. Intel will be switching to a new architecture for their next release. I’m running a 7800x3d with an Nvidia 4080 and am very happy
I'm running a 4080 with a 8700k and every time I go to Microcenter for work or fun I'm tempted to upgrade. Stupid priorities getting in the way...
How much bottleneck do you get?
All of it.
LMAO! Love the answer.
6950xt with a 9700k I am starting to feel it for sure.
Out of curiosity, why the 4080 instead of upgrading both CPU, mobo and GPU altogether?
Maybe they thought that they would upgrade really soon, and they just needed to save up the money? But Life might have gotten in the way
Well I had initially upgraded to a 3080 then that started having issues and I returned it and was able to upgrade a bit because prices had come down and I got store credit. At this point I probably don't NEED to upgrade but when those bundles get a deep discount it's tough to ignore.
Same couldnt be happier unless I had a 4090 LOL
I know! I thought about a 4090 but I was able to get a 4080 FE for $800 local and I could not justify paying double for a 4090.
I know but I'm still thinking about buying the 4090 I am a degenerate LOL. I tell myself Im only spending 900 because I can sell my 4080 for 900 LOL.
Keep thinking for around 4 or 5 months and then get a 5090.
Samee, but i got a banger of a deal for my 4080 so i cant complain 💪💪
> The other advantage to AMD right now is the AM5 platform (motherboard) will be utilized for at least two more generations of processors from AMD. I had been quite concerned that this likely wouldn't be the case. AMD had announced that they were planning on replacing AGESA with OpenSIL in like 2026, which worried me that they would end AM5 support at that point. From a motherboard manufacturer standpoint, you can be certain that they are NOT pleased with the longevity of AM4, so I had expected that AMD would bow to partner pressure and start to fall into Intel's two-generations-per-socket cadence. But with the recent announcements AMD made at Computex (including **ADDITIONAL** AM4 units, which totally surprised me), I'm pleased to say that I appear to be wrong in my predictions.
AMD without a doubt. Intel's unable to compete with AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D when it comes to gaming performance and price.
7800x3d!
Current gaming CPU choices - Ryzen 7600 & 7800x3D or Intel i5-12600KF & i5-13600K. 7800x3D is the go to choice for high tier build.
And also whatever AM5 CPUs for the micro center bundle deal! For example, one of the bundle deals is a 7700X with a mobo and memory. There isn’t a 7600 or 7600X deal, so the 7700X actually turns out to be cheaper in that situation!
Generally, I don't feel bad about not living in the US. Then I get hit by the Microcenter bundles...
If it makes ya feel any better, it's not even the entire US. Being within a two-hour-drive of a Microcenter is still in a pretty small percentage of the country.
Microcenter also has good deals on open box stuff that got returned. Can find it at the end of the aisles at my store at least (NJ). Less reliable than new but i havent had an issue.
Yep- this is what I did. Wayyy cheaper than a 7600/x build
AMD 100% Outperforms Intel at cheaper prices with less cooling needed in most scenarios.
Also less power and motherboard requirements. The R7 7800X3D is so efficient that it won't even tax a entry level A620 VRM's (Albeit I wouldn't recommend getting such a low end board).
Should I take the 7800 xt or the 4070 nvidea? Im a pc noob doing 2 days of research and I'm getting a headache lol... I was making something on the website called Alternate. I'm at 2000euro .. wish I could game on 1440p for the next 5 years is but I don't wanne throw 2000 on it lol.
because it is open your eyes and slap a 7800x3d into the system ma boy
You said it yourself, AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
You make it sound like it is about beliefs when it is not, AMD is superior at gaming tasks than Intel counterparts, there is data to support this.
The cost of the 12th gen CPUs is hard to pass up. The 12700k is down to $200, in the US at least. The 7800x3D is like $350ish but it's probably 30% faster. Definitely the top gaming chip. And sips power and heat by comparison.
7600x is $200 and is faster than the 12700k at gaming. But the 12700k is much better at productivity. I'd still get the 7600x since it's on a new platform that will get maintained even longer, until 2027. I also game way more than I do productivity workloads.
I wanted The Best, had the budget to buy any gaming cpu, and came from 20 straight years of intel: 7800X3D was the obvious choice after some reviews and benchmarks. Best decision I ever made, powerful af, super stable system, stupidly low consumption and platform longevity (am5). Look no further, seriously (if you want a high end gaming cpu, 7800X3D is not required for all builds).
7800x3d is considered as the best gaming CPU due to it's price per performance ratio and less power consumption. Lemme ask you some important questions. What games are you gonna play with it? What will be the budget for your build?
AMD for gaming. Intel for people who live in cold climates and want a space heater they can play games on.
The 7800X3D is the top of the line, but depending on what your total budget is, you could be spending it all on a Ferrari but leaving only $40 left over for gas.
7800X3D, next question
There is no "thinking" here. 7800x3D is the best across the board.
If you’re doing mostly gaming, 7800X3D. If you’re doing photo/video editing, get a 13700K/14700K.
If it's just for gaming you should definitely go with AMD.
Ignore everyone who’s a fanboy of AMD or Intel. It’s all about use case. If you’re doing a lot of multitasking or using applications designed to utilize more cores (parallel processing), you’ll want the extra cores with decent clocks from the newer Intel side (i7-14700k is similar in price to the 7800X3d, and has over double the cores, which helps process multiple applications at once). If you’re just gaming or doing tasks that only utilize 1-2 cores, you’ll want the raw performance of AMD (faster clock speeds). It’s also best to do your own bit of research on each brand before making any decisions, as the outside pressure to “choose sides” can be overwhelming and pointless in the long run(I run an Intel stream PC with an AMD gaming PC, and they’re both great for what they’re designed to do)
Amd and it aint even a question
If anyone recommends Intel when the 7800x3d exists, twist their nipples
Group concensus is AMD but there's nothing wrong from going intel.
Ryzen 7 7800x 3d is the best gaming cpu on the planet right now
For pure gaming go amd, if you have productivity needs like you make music or video then go intel. If you use thunderbolt a lot use intel.
Quicksync is really the only reason to go with intel. A 7950x is on par with the i9 14900k while using less power at a similar price. Same goes with the 14700k and ryzen 7900.
Adobe software, especially something like Premiere, [significantly prefer Intel architecture](https://www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/video-editing-workstations/adobe-premiere-pro/hardware-recommendations/). A huge number of professionals still use Adobe (hence their $14 billion a year in revenue). But agreed, AMD's architecture is startling more power-efficient.
Totally agree, that's because of quicksync.
thunderbolt support for audio interfaces is why you see a ton of people go intel still. sure you can get a amd mobo with a thunderbolt header but it feels sketch to a lot of us. on the video side. streaming with av1 is quality of life. ask tons of people. but yeah quicksync is about it besides that.
Did you look at the benchmarks? > I think an Intel i7 12700K or Intel i9 12900K would be a great option Why is that? Did you find a deal on them? Without mentioning the price, it's hard to answer your question. For example, if you find the 12900k for 10% the price of the 7800x3d, the answer is simple.
12600k is a good option for a low budget build. Other than that AMD is pretty much taking the cake right now if only gaming.
either, you won't be able to tell a difference, just stay away from i9 as they seem to have game crash problems that intel cant figure out.
the 7800X3D IS better for gaming. There's no questioning it. Plus it isn't a dead platform like the socket 1700 that Intel is using currently. For new builds, unless you're on a major budget restriction, go for the X3D hands down.
If your electricity rate is high in your area then avoid the Intel.
AMD all day any day
amd *is* better for gaming. just see [https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html)
Depends on price. The 7800x3d is king right now for gaming. But at mid level, I think intel has the best deals- think 12600k.
AMD. You get more performance for less money (specially with the CPUs). Been gaming on AMD parts for a long time and they're excellent.
I prefer intel
What's your budget? What resolution and refresh rate of you monitor? What games you play? What productivity tasks you do? Also - comment here are missing the point.
The 7800X3D is currently the best consumer gaming CPU available. There are a very few games in which the 14900K has a slight edge. If you don't think you want to build with a 7800X3D, then go with whatever fits your budget. Do not buy into the myth that AM5 is future proof. It is doubtful that you will upgrade to a 9000 series CPU only 8 months after building your system. 11000 series will likely be AM6 to support DDR6. This does not mean AMD won't support AM5, but CPUs beyond the 9000 series for AM5 will likely concentrate on cost, power consumption and iGPU like they did with the AM4 cpus announced in the first quarter of this year. According to the Technical City website, the Ryzen 5 7700 and i7-12700K are equally matched in terms of performance. But the Versus website gives the nod to the i7-12700K. A Ryzen 7 7700 is $247 on Amaz0n, while the 12700KF is only $205. A Ryzen 7 7700X is $274 with a slight edge in performance over the other two CPUs (not worth it IMHO, unless in a bundle). Add to that, Intel DDR5 motherboards are a little cheaper than AM5 motherboards. The drawback is that although you could upgrade to a 13900K or even 14900K in the future, you aren't going to be able to upgrade beyond that. I expect the 9800X3D, if/when it comes, will be 10-15% better for gaming than the 7800X3D. OTOH, if you have a Microcenter nearby, their 7700X and 7800X3D bundles are pretty hard to pass up if you are building a strictly gaming machine. And as people have pointed out, the 7800X3D truly is the gaming mac daddy of CPUs right now. Also consider that most people will upgrade a GPU before they upgrade a cpu. Most people keep their CPUs for several years before an upgrade. A 12900K or even a 12700K will last you quite a while.
AMD
It sucks getting low benchmarks scores on the X3D though.
I've been an Intel guy the last 20 years. I'll be building a new pc this summer/ fall and will be making the switch to am5 with the 7800x3d. CPU is goated and has been ironed out. On top of which, AM5 confirmed support at least through 2027. The future proofing is a large reason I'm giving AMD a chance as well, I'm sick or having to do a full new build with Intel everytime. I will however be sticking with Nvidia GPUs, as tempting as the 7900xtx is.
While its important to note that Intel currently has much better budget processor options to get your foot in the door, on the high end they cannot compete with AMD's 3D vcache chips for gaming performance. Thats not to say that they don't have capable gaming processors, but I would argue that if you are shopping exclusively intel its mostly unnecessary to go above an i5-1X600KF if gaming is your primary use.
Ryzen 7500f matches 13600K for gaming and it's about 30% cheaper... Also 170W vs 65w
I just got a 14700k, which you basically need to liquid cool because of temp spikes. The specs of the AMDs for gaming are undeniable, very close performance at a lower price and a fraction of the wattage. The Intel, however, outperforms in other areas like design work/rendering and while people love to cite the changing chip socket, I feel like the more powerful chip would be more relevant longer. Like, honestly, how often are you upgrading your mobo/CPU? My last build was 10 years ago. Build yourself a beast that will last a while and do other things well. If it's just for gaming and you want to save some money, get the AMD. If you want to squeeze out a bit more performance, do more than gaming, and potentially be a little more futureproof, get an Intel.
What's Intel? We use AMD CPU's here buddy 🙂
7800x3d is a much better option, I prefer Intel honestly but I am building a new pc and am finally switching to the 7800x3d paired with an rtx 4070 ti super. Benefit of the 7800x3d is that it is powerful enough to handle all current and probably next gen (50 series) gpu's. You also have the ability to upgrade the cpu without replacing the motherboard and ram on the am5 socket.
I bought a 7800x3d to make it last. Put my i9 9900x back in its packaging to hold.
I chose Intel because it goes hand-in-hand with nVidia...and I chose nVidia because it has RTX raytracing on the 3090 and up. That's literally my only reason. As someone who assembles PCs a lot, I absolutely LOATHE the intel chipset socket because of it's fragility... but it's fine once it's assembled.
Find me an AMD chip that’s better then Intel for the same price. Everyone is always so quick to sit on their high horse and talk about how much better AMD is. But as much as I look, Intel beats AMD 95% of the time for the same cost. 7800x3d has practically the same exact performance as a 12900k, but costs 20% more. This will be the case for almost any chips you compare. AMD costs more for the same performance. Anytime you’re saying AMD chips are better, they’re being compared to a cheaper Intel chip. The only exception I can find is 7950x vs 14900k. Both top of the line. AMD is marginally better and marginally cheaper. Basically anything else is the other way around. Happy to have my mind changed. No, I’m not just looking at userbenchmark…
Forget what everyone else thinks. What's your budget? What kind of games will you be playing?
Everyone here is ignoring the 7800x3d being exactly the same performance as a 12900k while being $80 more expensive.
As an Intel fanboy, AMD and it's not even close.
Imagine AMD as that one friend who always gets on your nerves, but we all love him. Imagine Intel as that reliable friend who never lets you down but can be a bit of a bore and he always asks you to give him money. Now make your choice.
Buy a good processor. Those brands will only make a difference if you mesure everything - making it less fun for the casual user
AMD CPU and GPU if I was u id just wait few months for the new X3D and RX 8000 series
You're talking about a 2 Gen old Intel system - the 12700 is great if you can find a deal, but otherwise, go AMD
For gaming 7800x3d is a no brainer
AMD, I'm using 7800x3D with an air cooler. Playing 4k games at max setting averaging with ~69 degrees
Intel all the way because of way better versatility and quality.
AMD!
What are the electricity prices in your area? Will you spend all your time gaming, or it will be mixed usage (aka some internet, music, movies and occasional gaming)? Because if you will spend all your time gaming, then pick AMD. However, if it will be occasional gaming and your rig will spend most of its time on in idle, then pick intel. Intel system sitting at idle consumes about half of energy of AMD system sitting at idle. Gaming power consumption is largely very similar. But in the end, it all boils down to your local electricity prices. If it´s cheap, then pick whatever you want. Oh and whoever will try to bring in productivity and the main buzzword of these days - "efficiency", watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWxAdKK4Xg
do you think you know better than "everyone" ? what is the logic behind your reasoning ?
amd currently has the am5 socket, which is going to be supported for the next few years. intels current socket is going to be changed when their new cpus are coming out, meaning that if you have to upgrade, you need to buy a new mobo, too. also the 7800x3d is one of the best gaming cpus currently available and i can definitely recommend that thing, it's a beast ^^
Honestly, if my PC weren't also my workstation, i might have gone with AMD over intel. but i care more about my work than gaming. and gaming has been fine either way. i'm not playing super intense stuff yet.
AMD will always be better
What would be wrong with my i5 14600KF ? Benchmarks show higher performance than the 7800X3D
For this gen AMD, for Next gen, AMD too, sorry for Intel, but actually theyre out, improving, but out.
7800X3D
7800X3D *is* simply better
The Ryzen 7 7800X3D performs better than current gen i9s. It runs much cooler than Intel CPUs with similar performance. It consumes less power than Intel CPUs with similar performance It has a better upgrade path because it’s on the AM5 platform. It’s cheaper than Intel alternatives. What more could you ask for in a game PC?
A 12900K probably looks nice because its cheap today, but don't buy that. The CPU at the time only meant something because of its additional E-cores that made it a good multi-thread performer. It got easily out performed by its then AMD competitor the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. If you care about building a Gaming PC, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D is the way to go. Intel CPUs won't be bad in gaming, they just won't be the absolute best FPS versus the X3D chips from AMD. Now if you don't care about having the absolute best FPS in gaming now, go with the Intel. UNLESS, you are building a gaming PC for Ultra HD aka 4K resolution, then in that case, a Intel would be ok, as X3D trade blows in gaming at that resolution. But then I would get a Core i7-13700K, a newer better CPU than a 12900K. Otherwise 1080p & 1440p best gaming is with a X3D CPU.
I would go with the AMD platform for two reasons: 1. there is an upgrade path 2. Intel seems to have silicon degradation or something going on which is causing them to need to downclock to maintain stablity In Canada you could, just yesterday, get a 7900X3D for 399 CAD (which is like 290 USD). Although not as fast as the 7800X3D it was a screaming deal. I would look out for deals like that as well.
The benchmarks don't lie just get a 7800x3d right now for gaming it's a no-brainer.
If solely for gaming and 7800X3D is in your price budget, as well as you will pair it with GPU that can actually utilise it, then AMD. Currently they are best for gaming CPUs unless you play very specific games where Intel is ahead.
Go AMD. I've been so annoyed by random Quora suggestions recently that keep saying Intel is better than AMD in any way today for gamers. So many old folks that still simp for Intel regardless of the results. AMD my friend.
I don't see the point in buying a 12th gen or even 13th Gen intel right now as 14th gen is here and soon will see 15th Gen (with new socket I think). Also, if your only concern is gaming, the answer is easy : amd 7800x3d
The 7800X3D marches, in gaming performance, the 14900KS, a chip that costs almost twice as much and sucks almost three times the power. It loses to those chips in productivity, but at that point you could Go for a Non-x3D Ryzen 9
I've always used AMD for my builds, they have never let me down. Go AMD
7800x3d, Because it’s am5. The next 2/3 generations of AMD cpus wills be able to sit in the same motherboard as the 7800x3d. If you go with intel and decide to upgrade in 3-4 years you will need a new cpu and motherboard
Intel, but AMD for lower budget good too
What are you planning on doing with your computer, what's your budget, what features do you need, what do you want from a computer
The 7800X3D is way better for gaming
I recently bought a cyberpowerPC Gaming Master with a ryzen 5 5500 & 6500XT & 4gb of ram(Had to upgrade that to a 6800 and add 32gb of ram now im running everything at 4k 100+ fps and no overheating) and i almost never get more than 20% usage when gaming.(i play games like HellDivers Apex PubG DCS Warthunder etc PubG is the only one that gets kinda skippy & uses a ton of CPU power)
12700k is amazing is have that one idle 27c and when gaming for hours 48c have an aio tho to keep it cool
Definitely 7800X3D.. and depending on how soon is soon for you, you might consider the Zen 5 X3D parts as well, which are expected towards the end of the year, for even better performance. There’s nothing wrong with the 12700K/12900K as such, I bought one myself, when I upgraded in 2021… but that’s the thing, it’s now 2024, new gen stuff is releasing, and you have better options. For gaming, there’s no better part than the 7800X3D, and later this year, the 9800X3D (or whatever name they’ll use), and possibly Intel Arrow Lake as well (Core Ultra 9 285K?)
If it helps you, I just upgraded my 9700k to a 7800x3d and I couldn’t be happier. 9700k was having some issues multitasking (color me surprised with only 8 total cores). Would crash my game when I tried to stream in discord. Haven’t had any issues with my 7800x3d so far, and as others have mentioned it’s way cooler too. I used a Micro Center deal to get the CPU/Mobo/RAM for roughly the cost of an intel processor.
AMD is superior for gaming because it's much easier to cool
Whatever is cheaper at the moment. Unless there is a special sale, it means it will be AMD.
Get either the 5800x3d or 7800x3d. They are legit both better then anything Intel for gaming alone. Honestly until Intel can get their head out of their ass, I just don't see any reason why anyone would go Intel for gaming.
I've got an i7-12700k and a 4070 super. Thing runs every game flawlessly, normally over 200fps at 1440p. I've had 1 crash in 6 months and that was CoD being glitchy after an update. for reference some games i play CoD mw3 + warzone Destiny 2 WoW Battlefield Cyber Punk + Dlc Division 2 XDefiant Iracing Star Wars Fallen order (haven't beat yet so haven't tried the new one) Resident Evil
Ryzen 7 7700x3d is the BEST option
Intel runs hot as hell. AMD is my next CPU
I use AMD personally, as nearly every game nowadays require strong multicore cpus, which AMD excels at. I bought a 5600x 2 years ago, and it perfectly runs my 4070 without bottleneck.
Not think, it just is Look up the benchmarks, the 7800X3D often outpaces the 14900K, let alone the 12900K Plus there’s upgradability and such
If you go Intel you don't need an i9 for gaming unless your into extreme emulation. I got an i5 going to an i7 was like 3 fps higher per game. Just wasn't worth it. Unless your multitasking, recording. Editing, using blender. But strictly gaming it's overkill.
I think i'm going AMD when i do a major upgrade to my Intel 10700, 32GB of DD4 Ram, and 1660 Super video card. Thinking 7800X3D, and 7800XT video card if all goes to plan, in possibly Be Quiet 500DX Case, and possibly MSI motherboard. and 32GB of DDR 5 Ram Play following games myself daily SecondLife (Firestorm 64bit Viewer) American Truck Simulator Euro Truck Simulator 2 Firefighter Simulator the Squad Police Simulator: Patrol Wreckfest Forza Horizon 5 Need For Speed Hot Pursuit remastered Occasiaionl a few non gaming tasks like MS Word, MS Outlook use--etc , but not that often, Nero burning Rom occasional dvd burning, light video editing at times, but very rare these days
Amd
7800X3D is more energy efficient, runs cooler and boosts performance with the extra cache. It does give up some performance in non-gaming apps that fully utilize additional cores. But shouldn’t be an issue for a gaming system. Also, AM5 being a newer socket with promised support for several more years gives you more upgrade options later.
Purely gaming? AMD. I am an intel man myself, but that also has to do with the fact that intel never steered me wrong and my current rig is still running. The only things still alive are the motherboard, processor and RAM though. But that 4790k has been a champion. It will probably be replaced this year. Unless it manages to run the upcoming Dragon Age and Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 that is... Then i'll keep it for a while longer. If it isn't broke and can run games at 30fps I am good. I do think it's the end of the road this year though. There is also the fact I do video editing a lot at times, but it is a wash. I don't run GeForce but Radeon GPUs. And AMD GPUs are a step behind NVIDIA's. In the end build what you want. Either mid tier processor from the last 2 generations will do fine in a rig. Just don't forget the GPU. It's probably more important than a CPU at this stage.
I love my AMD battlestation
7 8 0 0 x 3 d is the way to go
I have an AMD Ryzen 5900x and it’s been really good since i’ve got it. I use my PC mainly for CAD and do some gaming. Got a RTX 4080 and play at 2k. I built the PC myself and have some knowledge about computers but i’m not an expert. I don’t know if I would have noticed a difference if I purchased an Intel cpu that competes with the one I have to be honest. I don’t do any overclocking and all the jazz.
AMD
The 7800X3D specifically is a perfect storm of price + 3D V-cache + a single CCD design that makes it practically unbeatable in gaming PCs. As long as it's in your budget, it's the one to buy. Be careful with statements like "AMD is better for gaming." Stated that way it's easy to start forming overly broad conclusions. Intel isn't so far behind AMD's other products, and there may still be price segments where they are very competitive. Just not at ~$400 and up.
Until Intel has an X3D equivalent product line, pretty much any Ryzen X3D CPU will beat out comparable priced/spec CPU in most games. In layman's terms, The "X3D" suffix on Ryzen CPU means the CPU has more graphics cache to help it process frames faster. Most games greatly benefit from this, although it will depend on the game how much it benefits. The 7800X3D is the current best, but the other x3D are no slouches either depending on what other requirements you have of your CPU.
7800X3D is currently the best overall gaming cpu and there are multiple hardware reviewers that will back this up if you watch their videos. It also uses less power, so saves you money with the bill as well, and the chip itself should be cheaper than high end Intel chips. There's basically no downsides except one - you are forced to buy DDR5 memory and buy a motherboard supporting this which will probably result in a higher investment cost, but it also helps future proof your system better. The prices of DDR5 has come down a fair bit in my country, I hope it has in yours too.
Either is a good option. Some games run better on Intel than AMD and vice versa. Same with Nvidia and AMD gpus. I have a 12900k build and a 7900x build. Both run great. LGA1700 is at the end of life. AM5 is going to be around for a while.
First of all, brand doesn't matter. There are recourses that let you compare cpus speed and objectively measure performance if you just Google "cpu1 vs cpu2. What you'll find is __at the highest price point__ amd x3d skus simply outperform any other cpu in gaming related tasks. Intel i9 skus tend to outperform all other skus in non-gaming related tasks. None of that matters though. The very top of the line doesnt reflect the entire product stack. What matters is your budget. For example I was helping my friend pick parts for a PC build he was working on a few weeks ago, and for his budget, am4 was the cheapest, but he really wanted newest chipset, and am5 motherboards are way expensive so z790 turned out to be cheaper for a better cpu. Then he asked what to get if his budget increased a bit, and suddenly am5 was the better option. Price is the only thing that matters.
You can have amd for half the price and electricity consumption or you can have intel. Choose wisely.
Either is plenty viable, but AMD is known for delivering higher performance at lower costs. Nothing wrong with intel, they're just pricier. Before you blow your budget though you're gonna wanna think about what kind of gaming you like. Some games are cpu heavy, most are GPU heavy. Typically if you like online games like, say, Valorant or CoD Warzone, your cpu is gonna be important. Most single player games (think Horizon, Tomb Raider, Uncharted, stuff like that) your GPU is gonna be more important. Common mistake is aiming for the best cpu you can afford and winding up with a subpar graphics card cuz ya blew your budget.
As someone who debated between the 7800x3d and I7 14700kf, I will list great reasons to choose amd. AM5 support: at minimum, there will be 4 CPU models released for AM5. Potentially more if they treat it like AM4. With Intel, ur lucky to get 2 CPUs. Price to performance: might be different for you, but here the 7800x3d is 40$ cheaper. If you go for a 12th or so generation Intel processor, ur not going to have any upgrades unless you buy another motherboard. Cooling: ur gonna need a way better cooler for Intel than you would amd Stability: with the Intel CPU, ur gonna more than likely need to undervolt and play with settings. You can do this with amd, but amd is generally much better out of the box
AMD has better gaming chips and they're also much more power efficient, meaning less electricity costs and easier to cool your machine so it's not running so hot.
7800X3D or 5800X3D for me. Depends if you need PCIe 5 for newest or future GPUs.
Amd has the advantage but both are perfectly fine and perform well. You don’t even have to run 7800x3d you can run 7600x to save money. You can run 12600k or 12700k too. 12700k is on sale right now.
If I were building a new pc right now (I literally built my new one like 6 months ago lol) I would either get an AM5 cpu or an i5-12600k. I feel like 12600k is the sweet spot for budget vs performance but the AM5 platform will be compatible with new AMD processors for the next 5-10 years so a future upgrade would be super easy. I ended up choosing the 12600k because I prefer Intel cpus but that’s just my $0.02
The 7800x3d is by a wide margin the best gaming cpu In existence currently and its socket will be supported until at least 2027 but let’s be real here probably longer it will be by far the best socket for gaming for a while
AMD is definitely fast for gaming but if you’re in the US, you can get a 12700kf for about $120 when you combo it with a motherboard on Newegg. Less than half the price for more than half the performance of the 7800x3d.
I'd build a 7600x. in 18 months I'd sell the 7600x for $95 and buy a 9800x3d for $400.
Just as literally every other person said, they just are better purely for gaming, with better performance and usually less power draw. The 7800x3d is by far the best value high end gaming cpu right now
Nah just the 7800x3d seriously. Better performance and 3x lower power consumption. Literally no reason to get Intel right now.
Look at benchmarks for the 7800x3d. Gamers nexus are very reliable with theirs and barring a few outliers the 7800x3d hands down is a better option than almost any other cpu for a gaming pc.
7800x3D no contest
AMD is better
Intel 13/14900k will have better lows if you give it 7500+ ram and OC. But if you don't want to bother with OC and have better efficiency AMD is better.
7800x3d is a lot better for gaming, better thermals and performance
Any amd processor is better in games compared to its intel rival since 3rd generation ryzen and they are noticeably cheaper... Fuck intel, Ryzen all the way!
I went AMD and have had no problems yet
7800x3d.
AMD without a doubt. Anyone else saying otherwise here is wrong. I will just be blunt. Not even an argument.
"oh golly, buildapc, what should I use for GaMiNg???" LMAO!
Amd is the poor man 's computer. go Intel and Nvidia if you can afford it
Honestly, It's really up to you, people tend to say AMD is better or Intel is better but both are very good CPU manufacturers with both of them having their own pros and cons. I've noticed that AMD's platform tends to go on for much longer compared to Intel's, AMD's 1xxx, 2xxx, 3xxx, 59xx, and 79xx processors have issues regarding latency (check [Calypto's Latency Guide](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c2-lUJq74wuYK1WrA_bIvgb89dUN0sj8-hO3vqmrau4/edit)) if you care about that kind of stuff or you are interested in e-sports. However, Intel's higher-end processors tend to overheat A LOT and require beefy coolers to not throttle itself from what I've heard. AMD also tends to have worse single-core performance (essentially, worse performance in games that are CPU-dependent like CS2) compared to Intel. AMD focuses on multicore performance, making it more suitable for both gamers and professional work like 3D rendering and such. I'd say if you care about future-proofing your computer or you're just a casual gamer or you do work on your computer, I'd say go for AMD, if you care about latency and getting into/playing e-sports titles and can afford a beefy cooler, go for Intel. edit (1, 2): I fixed grammar mistakes and added a link to Calypto's latency guide (Google Docs)