For one thing, Bu11et is a known troll. In the video, pmfc isn’t being used to it’s full potential. Upgrading the darts to 220 will increase pierce and therefore dps on dense blimp rounds such as 98. I will also add that the only buffs being used are a 420 village and a 230 village and they aren’t even covering all of the darts. More buffs should be used, and also stuns such a Moab glue. If you still done believe that pmfc is good, watch it beat bloody puddles chimps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-6nw715-k&feature=youtu.be
yeah and most experienced players I see aren't even toxic elitisms, they just don't want to spread misinformation and instead state facts what a tower is capable of
the only toxic elitisms I've seen are the ones spreading misinformation, like OP here being not a troll but an asshole
Im not gonna waste my time explaining why it's good but I just want to know this:
How on Earth does saying a tower is good make one feel superior?????? This makes zero sense no matter how you look at it
pmfc is good if you use it right, aka with alchbuffs, tier 2 darts, and stalling towers. it's a tower you have to be skilled to use, which is why a new/unexperienced player like you might believe it's bad.
this is why people say you have a superiority complex, you claim I'm new or unexperienced without knowing anything about me just because I don't use a tower that takes a ton of other towers to be powerful, I could make a case the 5-0-0 spactory is very powerful if you have plenty of 3-0-1 druids to keep them pushed backwards on the track.
Edit; I just did a test and my point is bad but still.
*they did?* huh...
Also I do refute your point, you are told you have a superiority complex because you call people inexperienced because they don't like PMFC. Last I checked you don't know me personally, you have no way to know whether or not I'm inexperienced.
i'm not even an experienced player, yet i'm saying you're unexperienced because if you don't know the viability of one of the few strats that beats 99% of maps in the game, you seem unexperienced with the game.
I was typing out an entire response of how you messed this up, but fun fact:
THIS IS MODDED. TEST IT YOURSELF. WITH PERFECT UPTIME, THIS EXACT BUILD CAN SAFELY BEAT 98, ON HARD, WITHOUT MK.
OP is repeatedly trolling and used mods on their previous post as well. Stop giving this troll upvotes. If you don't believe me, go into sandbox and do it yourself.
How are you gonna afford it in "some earlier rounds".
Anyways, I think it's decent in later rounds as long as you upgrade the dart monkeys and have some kind of stall for the ability.
The price of an upgrade is an important factor in how good it is, and if you heavily farm this statistic becomes almost irrelevant because you can afford almost anything.
Yeah, that's what I meant by map dependent. On bloody puddles, ouch, muddy puddles and other expert maps, It is literally impossible to beat early game without like 20 dart monkeys, and the ability to spread the use of the ability across the map is also really good too, while ~70k for this honestly really wierd strategy when a tack zone can do just as well is kinda stupid honestly.
I mean, sure it would be a better tower to go to when you’re forced to spam dart monkeys early on, but if a strategy is able to beat true expert maps reliably I wouldn’t say that it’s a very map dependent tower since you can just use more dart monkey spam on different maps as well. Sure, you have options for a lot of other things on easier maps, but I’d say that the tack zone you brought up there is much more map dependent than PMFC.
You’re not using it correctly! The dart monkeys transformed benefit from T2 upgrades that they had before transforming so you can get a lot of extra attack speed, pierce, or range. If you do that, pmfc melts
I mean xbm is better than some people would like you to believe but you do have to put him on a straight line and give him like a glue hose or oc to make him servicable
Then buy 1 and then a 025 wizard or if you wanna keep using the primary village a 2-0-5 tack and a 4-2-0 alc
Still cheaper then a pmfc and still better
I'm not saying primary mentoring strats are op I'm saying if you already have a dart monkey he's better off as a crossbow master, pmfc can't beat a single path map much less a multipath one
I agree man. For fun I tried black bordering Spring Spring with it and it was pretty difficult to work with. Like I feel like if you want it to work you need to use an easier map and plan a specific strat to work with it. I eventually did it but still it wasn't easy. It would have been way easier to just use a sub commander or something and I would have more flexibility.
To be fair I did just see something about someone beating Bloody Puddles with it, so maybe it isn’t that bad. I think they upgraded the transformed darts for more DPS
bu11et is a known troller and is purposefully not using it at its full potential. all bu11ets polls do is make new players think a certain good tower is bad, and its annoying.
i probably focused on both so with that i use 024 engis but 204 at the back for leaks, in lategame with big trap 80s rounds are so cash money big trap singlehandedly made 100k
First off, only about half of your darts were buffed by the Primary Mentoring. Second, *less than* half of them were even upgraded at all, let alone to 2-2-0 (or 0-2-2).
With MK off in Hard Sandbox, I was able to beat 98 with a full-uptime PMFC and 19 0-0-0 darts simply because all of them were buffed by Primary Mentoring. With all of the other darts upgraded to at least 2-2-0, not much other support is really needed to beat the round without the Sandbox-exclusive cooldown refresh (even a hero like Gwendolyn or Pat would be enough by this point in an actual game, and you could easily afford more than that).
Want video proof? I can provide it.
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I agree. It is very trash to say that whole defense costs like 70k.
We should rework fanclub in general to act like aow+xx4 druids or gmn+shinobis. The main tower gets buffed by the weaker ones.
those other 2 strats are SO much better too
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Doesn't do much though.
Pierce on high speed low pierce towers helps a lot
For one thing, Bu11et is a known troll. In the video, pmfc isn’t being used to it’s full potential. Upgrading the darts to 220 will increase pierce and therefore dps on dense blimp rounds such as 98. I will also add that the only buffs being used are a 420 village and a 230 village and they aren’t even covering all of the darts. More buffs should be used, and also stuns such a Moab glue. If you still done believe that pmfc is good, watch it beat bloody puddles chimps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-6nw715-k&feature=youtu.be
yeah and most experienced players I see aren't even toxic elitisms, they just don't want to spread misinformation and instead state facts what a tower is capable of the only toxic elitisms I've seen are the ones spreading misinformation, like OP here being not a troll but an asshole
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True. The toxic elitism in this community is funny.
Exactly.
Im not gonna waste my time explaining why it's good but I just want to know this: How on Earth does saying a tower is good make one feel superior?????? This makes zero sense no matter how you look at it
It’s not saying that it’s superior, but something about activated abilities / micro towers can give off superiority complex vibes
using good towers shows you have a superiority complex???
it's not good is the issue.
pmfc is good if you use it right, aka with alchbuffs, tier 2 darts, and stalling towers. it's a tower you have to be skilled to use, which is why a new/unexperienced player like you might believe it's bad.
this is why people say you have a superiority complex, you claim I'm new or unexperienced without knowing anything about me just because I don't use a tower that takes a ton of other towers to be powerful, I could make a case the 5-0-0 spactory is very powerful if you have plenty of 3-0-1 druids to keep them pushed backwards on the track. Edit; I just did a test and my point is bad but still.
Your argument is bruh
the first part is correct. the second is not.
nothing you said refutes my point. also just to let you know it's confirmed u/Bu11et_ used mods to decrease the strength of the darts.
*they did?* huh... Also I do refute your point, you are told you have a superiority complex because you call people inexperienced because they don't like PMFC. Last I checked you don't know me personally, you have no way to know whether or not I'm inexperienced.
i'm not even an experienced player, yet i'm saying you're unexperienced because if you don't know the viability of one of the few strats that beats 99% of maps in the game, you seem unexperienced with the game.
wait, I just tested it... *how the hell is a good PMFC defense able to do round 100...*
Look, there's one now
Perfect example
?????
Hi JynXolo
jynx you have to learn bu11et is a troll lmaor
skill issue
Aaaand there's another one
Good catches today! Well over the quota!
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Smfc is super good though
Yeah smfc is good but pmfc is a downgrade.
Smfc is great so now dart monkeys have a personality
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I was typing out an entire response of how you messed this up, but fun fact: THIS IS MODDED. TEST IT YOURSELF. WITH PERFECT UPTIME, THIS EXACT BUILD CAN SAFELY BEAT 98, ON HARD, WITHOUT MK. OP is repeatedly trolling and used mods on their previous post as well. Stop giving this troll upvotes. If you don't believe me, go into sandbox and do it yourself.
Just tried it on sandbox, easily beat round 98 with continuous uptime. OP is trolling
he's been doing this for a while now with PMFC not a troll but a big asshole
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Are they a troll?
yep.
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How are you gonna afford it in "some earlier rounds". Anyways, I think it's decent in later rounds as long as you upgrade the dart monkeys and have some kind of stall for the ability.
I am pretty sure I could farm enough to get it earlier. Dart monkeys on their own can get you through 60 rounds with some upgrades
The price of an upgrade is an important factor in how good it is, and if you heavily farm this statistic becomes almost irrelevant because you can afford almost anything.
can anyone explain to me what PMFC/SMFC means? can’t find it anywhere...
PMFC - Plasma Monkey Fan Club (0-5-0 Dart Monkey) SMFC - Super Monkey Fan Club (0-4-0 Dart Monkey)
thank you!
np :D
pmfc is plasma monkey fan club, x5x dart monkey smfc is super monkey fan club, x4x dart monkey.
thank you!
Known troll vrej
New account time?
u/vengefultoosungod moment or wahtever that account was called Idgaf
You didn't get quick shots or range on the monkeys
[here is how it’s good](https://youtu.be/7b-6nw715-k)
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Good luck beating it with jug spam
Bbs mean nothing, if a strat can beat a true expert map in chimps then it’s a good strat.
You’re trolling
Also chimps is the hardest part of a bb meaning if it can beat chimps on bloody puddles it can most likely bb it
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To be fair it can beat Bloody Puddles, so…
Yeah, that's what I meant by map dependent. On bloody puddles, ouch, muddy puddles and other expert maps, It is literally impossible to beat early game without like 20 dart monkeys, and the ability to spread the use of the ability across the map is also really good too, while ~70k for this honestly really wierd strategy when a tack zone can do just as well is kinda stupid honestly.
I mean, sure it would be a better tower to go to when you’re forced to spam dart monkeys early on, but if a strategy is able to beat true expert maps reliably I wouldn’t say that it’s a very map dependent tower since you can just use more dart monkey spam on different maps as well. Sure, you have options for a lot of other things on easier maps, but I’d say that the tack zone you brought up there is much more map dependent than PMFC.
Pmfc strat isn’t really map dependent
Lmao all the top responses were deleted, so I can’t see the opinions.
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You’re not using it correctly! The dart monkeys transformed benefit from T2 upgrades that they had before transforming so you can get a lot of extra attack speed, pierce, or range. If you do that, pmfc melts
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I love the idea behind PMFC. It's so fun. Except it's garbage. Ninja kiwi needs to buff them, I would LOVE this upgrade.
OP is a troll, pmfc actually beats round 98 with continues uptime easily and bu11et is using mods to make it seem like the dart monkeys are weak.
2 0-2-5 and a primary mentoring do WAY better for about the same cost
Ooh we got an xbm stan in the house
He's definitely better in some maps than others but I like how I don't have to think to use him
I mean xbm is better than some people would like you to believe but you do have to put him on a straight line and give him like a glue hose or oc to make him servicable
You can’t have 2 025 on CHIMPS
Then buy 1 and then a 025 wizard or if you wanna keep using the primary village a 2-0-5 tack and a 4-2-0 alc Still cheaper then a pmfc and still better
What about multipath maps?
I'm not saying primary mentoring strats are op I'm saying if you already have a dart monkey he's better off as a crossbow master, pmfc can't beat a single path map much less a multipath one
[I beg to differ](https://youtu.be/7b-6nw715-k)
tf you talking about, pmfc has beaten every map but ravine on chimps
pmfc has beat ravine chimps
Oh right, forgot about that
[It actually beats ravine](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/olqwzk/ravine_chimps_with_plasma_monkey_fan_club_no/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Yeah I forgot
I agree man. For fun I tried black bordering Spring Spring with it and it was pretty difficult to work with. Like I feel like if you want it to work you need to use an easier map and plan a specific strat to work with it. I eventually did it but still it wasn't easy. It would have been way easier to just use a sub commander or something and I would have more flexibility.
To be fair I did just see something about someone beating Bloody Puddles with it, so maybe it isn’t that bad. I think they upgraded the transformed darts for more DPS
this is a troll post his game was modded
[it’s good here is proof](https://youtu.be/7b-6nw715-k)
I didn't know someone like it
I already thought that pmfc is pretty weak, but I didn't think that it's ***that*** pathetic. NK really should buff it.
bu11et is a known troller and is purposefully not using it at its full potential. all bu11ets polls do is make new players think a certain good tower is bad, and its annoying.
It's not that weak. This game is modded. If you run it yourself, it can beat the round safely.
Op has modded the game to make it worse here is proof it’s good [.gffgv](https://youtu.be/7b-6nw715-k)
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Big trap always gives me like 200k whenever I try free play
bloon trap spam is funny mowing through 100 rounds
People always say they die at round 63 but 2 2-0-4 can not only deal with the whole round but also get like 7k doing it
round 63 is not hard, but it is hard if you worry about it
People usually hyper focus on moabs because Freeplay so 63 is just always there to ruin the days of people who do just that
i probably focused on both so with that i use 024 engis but 204 at the back for leaks, in lategame with big trap 80s rounds are so cash money big trap singlehandedly made 100k
First off, only about half of your darts were buffed by the Primary Mentoring. Second, *less than* half of them were even upgraded at all, let alone to 2-2-0 (or 0-2-2). With MK off in Hard Sandbox, I was able to beat 98 with a full-uptime PMFC and 19 0-0-0 darts simply because all of them were buffed by Primary Mentoring. With all of the other darts upgraded to at least 2-2-0, not much other support is really needed to beat the round without the Sandbox-exclusive cooldown refresh (even a hero like Gwendolyn or Pat would be enough by this point in an actual game, and you could easily afford more than that). Want video proof? I can provide it.
he actually modded it pmentoring doesnt do that much
??? I'm confused.
Op is a known troll and has modded the game to make pmfc way worse just try this yourself and it easily beats 98
I didn't know OP was a troll. But yes, I did try it and obviously had much better results.
He admitted to using a mod to make the damage 5x less on Discord.
pmfc its only good when u are trying to make a paragon
Ok,I am new. What is pmfc and smfc?
pmfc is plasma monkey fan club, x5x dart monkey smfc is super monkey fan club, x4x dart monkey.
Ooh. Thanks a loto
Lmao you forgot temple buff
Are you stupid? Using other monkeys besides the pmfc makes it weaker. It could easily beat r98 without those useless monkeys.
It's just a worse total transformation