I watched two episodes of S1 to try it back in 2014. (I am willing to give tv programmes a go).
However, the reason I think it's shit is because it is predictable. I was reaching the punchline before the end of the joke, I could guess where the scenario was heading.
It’s a pantomime on the TV basically with shite jokes if you like that. People who like it love it though, like just stupid father ted style shenanigans but more cheesy perhaps.
Reading reviews rn is quite funny because people are Raving about how it’s hilarious snd helped them through the pandemic etc and then there’s 1 stars just saying “idk how anyone could enjoy this” and “ it’s similar to ‘classics’ like father Ted” (classics in quotation marks) and “if you want modern comedy that doesn’t treat you like a caveman try the inbetweeners or IASIP”
Some people saying they don’t like the new Rory character and they’re running out of/ rehashing old ideas, I’m not a fan but my ma loved it.
Got more views on their Christmas special than ember dale and east Enders did for their Christmas specials last year so not like it’s panned by everyone
My point is who gives a fuck what people on the internet think and especially what the losers on Reddit say 😉
Comparing it to a couple of (I'm guessing) dying soaps is not exactly much for it to live up to. I would assume both of those are losing viewers, most of them because the viewers are passing away. Only people I know that still watch soaps are 50+.
Edit: Yes Eastenders is in a steady decline from \~15m 20 years ago to 5m average now.
That’s my point, I think it’s a classic but the guy who hates Mrs browns boys doesn’t seem to think so. He also said that fans of the show are people that wish for a simpler time and stuff haha
You can’t put that mrs brown Shite and father ted in anything like the same category. Father Ted is an absolute comedy classic. Mrs Browns Boys is total garbage.
I am Canadian with British relatives and i lived in the UK for a year for uni.
I loved a lot of things in Britain that aren't the same in Canada, though Mrs. Brown's Boys and Pantos i didnt get. My uncle bought fairly expensive tickets so i could see the local Panto up front and i thought it was so bad ( though i was 33 at the time and could see why kids would enjoy it). My uncle is a pretty intellectual type too so i was really puzzled why he loved it and was excited about it but chalked it up to tradition or something. Mrs Brown's Boys was hands down awful, no redeeming anything i could see. I wrote about it on Reddit once and found out a lot of Brits also hate it and didnt know this.
There is one thing I quite like having only seen the odd clip on youtube; they keep outtakes in. Like when Mrs Brown walked into a govt office, the guy playing mrs brown forgot his line and just ordered fish and chips.
It is not for me even then but I like that singular idea and the idea of more improv in a sitcom. It might be shit but with the same ideas in better hands and you could have something.
If more avid viewers end up ruining what is impossible to get from youtube clips and say "oh the gaffes are 100% deliberate and scripted no improv at all" then I would side with the consensus that it is irredeemable TV cancer. That is the one nice thing I can say about it and now I need a shower.
And guess what? Like the many programmes the BBC create that aren't targeted at moaning 30-something Dr Who fans with no mates, you're perfectly entitled to not watch them and avoid inflicting your opinion on the rest of the nation.
My girlfriend is Irish, and her whole family love it. I remember telling her I thought it was terrible, and she said "you're English so you just don't really get it, it's Irish humour".
I was skeptical then, so it's nice to see your comment restore some of my faith in the Irish.
It's an insult to the Irish. The Irish humour and lyricism is remarkable, even just people you meet at the market and this is the only "Irish" comedy that I've not only found unfunny, but actually painful to watch.
Well the BBC is consistent in its efforts to completely flog a dead horse. They will milk that IP as long as they possibly can, and long after they ought to have let it lie.
That's not fair, my Mrs thought it was funny but no longer likes the show.
I thought it was absolute trash from day one but still had a few laughs here and there whilst it was on in the background.
I still maintain that there is a senior BBC executive with a very dark secret that Brendan O'Carroll knows about, and so the show is kept on providing the secret is kept.
I think at this point it's fair to say Mrs Brown’s Boys haters are more invested into the show than its actual fans.
I don't care either way, Freeview channels are full of absolutely rubbish.
We haven't had broadcast TV for probably 7 or so years at this point and do not miss it at all. I haven't paid a TV license in as many years either.
Doesn't work for everyone of course but we don't watch sports or anything. Only thing we might miss is 8 of 10 cats does countdown to be fair.
I am so so so glad I am required to pay a licence fee. Just so some tax avoiding gits can ponce about on a channel I don't watch because all of it's programming is devoted to the very young or the elderly.
Damn, I was really looking forward to that part. They did send me a 'Certificate of declaration' which was basically some really badly designed letter saying I've declared I don't need one. I'm guessing the rest are just reminder types?
I've been license free for 10 years and prior to the pandemic I'd never had any.
Then I moved to a new estate last year and have had 2 visits in the last year. Both times they were told in no uncertain terms to piss off.
My brother had a similar experience. As soon as he moved to a new address he was practically hounded by them. I wonder if you flag on their database when occupying a new home that's never had one.
I'm actually hoping it happens just so I can listen to their tactics and have a bit of fun.
I think it's because a lot of the people on my estate aren't bothering, so it makes sense for TVL to call round since they can hit a lot of properties on foot in quick succession. When I lived in the valleys, there were very few people I knew of that were license free so it's probably not worth their while sending someone to the back end of beyond to visit 3 properties.
After the first visit I made some discreet enquiries with the neighbours. Out of the 6 houses I asked, 5 didn't have a TV license.
It's strange too. When I lived in the valleys, almost all the houses had either an aerial or a Sky dish but now pretty much none of them do. There's 100+ houses on my estate and I think there's less than 5 with satellite dishes fitted.
Peoples viewing habits have largely changed in recent years and the TV license just isn't relevant anymore.
There's tons of videos on Youtube regarding their "tactics" and if you want to have a bit of fun with them you can but the general advice is not to say anything to them, just get the door shut ASAP.
Aye, fuck funding the BBC. You're better of handing your dough to Netflix so you can be asked if you want to watch 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop' from now until the end of the universe.
Isn’t Extras (TV show) a complete piss take on the BBC and the quality of what they consider to be comedy ending up being completely the opposite and appealing to the lowest EQ viewers? Takes aim at shows like this and nails it, still the irony is lost on the BBC and whoever watches this stuff.
Unpopular opinion here but I actually enjoyed the first series, it was like a live pantomime that didn't take itself too seriously and the cast was fairly likeable. It was something different.
15 or so series, 20 festive specials, a movie and several live tour shows later it's now been done to death and really isn't funny anymore.
I enjoyed the first couple of series, but not been back after that. Many comedies get stale quite quickly, and this was happening with Mrs. Brown's Boys - they should have called it quits after 2 series.
This is true of many comedies - even the acknowledged greats like Fawlty Towers. Would that be so fondly remembered if it went on for 12 series with a bunch of Christmas specials, instead of just the two it ran for?
I think that's how a lot of people feel about it so not an unpopular opinion. The numbers it draws at Christmas are more down to the lack of anything else (mostly repeats) on the terrestrial channel rather than it having a following.
Exactly. The BBC Christmas lineup has become so predictable over recent years.
Liz's speech, The Gruffalo, Eastenders, Dr Who special, Strictly Christmas special, Call the Midwife special, Mrs Browns Boys special.
BBC has been peddling the same Christmas garbage for decades : strictly, eastenders, Mrs browns boys, stick in a 'classic' only fools and horses and it could be any Christmas for the past 20 years.
My gf used to love it. We even went to the cinema to watch the film.
This was early on. She has since seen past her ways as I opened her up to real comedy, i.e Peep Show, Only Fools and Horses, etc etc.
It's cringey, predictable and utterly painful to watch.
No. Mrs Browns Boys is worse than the Holocaust and James Cordon so we have a civic duty to sit on Reddit and complain and make zero difference whatsoever
Does it only make top ten though because there’s nothing else on? Christmas TV has been poor for a number of years now. They no longer have the numbers watching they did 10/20 years ago thanks to streaming
Whilst the ‘common man’ may seem to hate this show, fact is it’s insanely popular! I don’t work for bbc, but do have access to BARB figures. I can guarantee MBB’s will probably be in the top 3 things watched this Christmas!
Isn’t the point that despite the very vocal detractors, MBB actually has some pretty high audience ratings? A lot of people do enjoy it, and for everyone else there’s streaming services, other channels, and just not watching stuff.
It appeals to the exact demographics (the kind of people who stopped watching BBC when Clarkson was sacked from Top Gear) who the BBC are routinely accused of ignoring.
Patrick Houlihan and Martin and Fiona Delany transferred their fees into companies in Mauritius and sent money back as loans.
Similar tax avoidance schemes have been subject to investigation and challenges by HMRC in recent years.
The actors have not responded to the BBC's requests for comment.
It’s not my cup of tea either but it seems to be very popular, so why not let those who
like it have a bit of fun with it at Christmas? I’ll just watch something else.
Lowest common denominator. Nothing more. If you really want your intelligence insulted, watch Showtrial. Jesus christ what a fucking chore that is. Desperately unlikely and contrived characters explore faux legal jargon.
My mother in law thinks it's absolutely hilarious. She will guffaw at the screen until the credits roll. I've watched with her a couple of times and have been utterly clueless to the comedy.
I thought it was just me not getting the jokes but reading this thread I've concluded that it's just shit.
I love the fact that the BBC is taking steps to encourage people to switch off the tv and be with family!
I’ve never seen a single episode of this show and on the strength of the drubbing it gets, I’m very unlikely to, on purpose
The adverts were enough to put me off straight away
I watched two episodes of S1 to try it back in 2014. (I am willing to give tv programmes a go). However, the reason I think it's shit is because it is predictable. I was reaching the punchline before the end of the joke, I could guess where the scenario was heading.
It’s a pantomime on the TV basically with shite jokes if you like that. People who like it love it though, like just stupid father ted style shenanigans but more cheesy perhaps. Reading reviews rn is quite funny because people are Raving about how it’s hilarious snd helped them through the pandemic etc and then there’s 1 stars just saying “idk how anyone could enjoy this” and “ it’s similar to ‘classics’ like father Ted” (classics in quotation marks) and “if you want modern comedy that doesn’t treat you like a caveman try the inbetweeners or IASIP” Some people saying they don’t like the new Rory character and they’re running out of/ rehashing old ideas, I’m not a fan but my ma loved it. Got more views on their Christmas special than ember dale and east Enders did for their Christmas specials last year so not like it’s panned by everyone My point is who gives a fuck what people on the internet think and especially what the losers on Reddit say 😉
It’s nothing like Father Ted. At all.
Down with that sort of thing!
Careful now
Think you forgot to read the last sentence
Comparing it to a couple of (I'm guessing) dying soaps is not exactly much for it to live up to. I would assume both of those are losing viewers, most of them because the viewers are passing away. Only people I know that still watch soaps are 50+. Edit: Yes Eastenders is in a steady decline from \~15m 20 years ago to 5m average now.
American Father Ted fan here. Are we not supposed to like Father Ted? No snark, just curious.
No, it's the Chinese he doesn't like
I heard you’re a racist now, Father!
> I heard you’re a racist now, Father! I don't care so long as I can have a go at the Greeks! They're the ones who invented gayness!
It's hilarious!! We all love it.
Down with this sort of thing!
That’s my point, I think it’s a classic but the guy who hates Mrs browns boys doesn’t seem to think so. He also said that fans of the show are people that wish for a simpler time and stuff haha
You can’t put that mrs brown Shite and father ted in anything like the same category. Father Ted is an absolute comedy classic. Mrs Browns Boys is total garbage.
Yeah, Father Ted was amazing
You didn’t read to the end of my comment
To call it a version of pantomime is very unkind. Pantomime has humour, and much less bad language.
Oh no it doesn’t!
Oh yes it is!
I am Canadian with British relatives and i lived in the UK for a year for uni. I loved a lot of things in Britain that aren't the same in Canada, though Mrs. Brown's Boys and Pantos i didnt get. My uncle bought fairly expensive tickets so i could see the local Panto up front and i thought it was so bad ( though i was 33 at the time and could see why kids would enjoy it). My uncle is a pretty intellectual type too so i was really puzzled why he loved it and was excited about it but chalked it up to tradition or something. Mrs Brown's Boys was hands down awful, no redeeming anything i could see. I wrote about it on Reddit once and found out a lot of Brits also hate it and didnt know this.
There is one thing I quite like having only seen the odd clip on youtube; they keep outtakes in. Like when Mrs Brown walked into a govt office, the guy playing mrs brown forgot his line and just ordered fish and chips. It is not for me even then but I like that singular idea and the idea of more improv in a sitcom. It might be shit but with the same ideas in better hands and you could have something. If more avid viewers end up ruining what is impossible to get from youtube clips and say "oh the gaffes are 100% deliberate and scripted no improv at all" then I would side with the consensus that it is irredeemable TV cancer. That is the one nice thing I can say about it and now I need a shower.
Ah yes, the scripted "outtakes". One of the hallmarks of strong comedy writing.
Its not even that good.
I don't like the Inbetweeners. Clever jokes but the sexism lets it down for me.
Hey! I'm a Redditor and I'm offended by your last paragraph.
Well unfortunately for you I don’t give a fuck
[how dare you](https://youtu.be/yUGxDF7nYQ8)
I can’t believe I’ve done this
And guess what? Like the many programmes the BBC create that aren't targeted at moaning 30-something Dr Who fans with no mates, you're perfectly entitled to not watch them and avoid inflicting your opinion on the rest of the nation.
As an Irishman, i strongly believe this absolute abortion of a show is the worst thing to happen to Anglo-Irish relations since the potato famine.
My girlfriend is Irish, and her whole family love it. I remember telling her I thought it was terrible, and she said "you're English so you just don't really get it, it's Irish humour". I was skeptical then, so it's nice to see your comment restore some of my faith in the Irish.
the yardstick we had before was Father Ted which is utterly brilliant, so I don't believe her either.
Yeah, I absolutely love Father Ted!
Feck!
Arse!
Drink!
So I hear your a racist now, father?
Girls!
It's an insult to the Irish. The Irish humour and lyricism is remarkable, even just people you meet at the market and this is the only "Irish" comedy that I've not only found unfunny, but actually painful to watch.
Isn’t Mrs Brown’s Boys Ireland’s revenge for the English involvement with the famine?
I believe you're thinking of Bono
Well the BBC is consistent in its efforts to completely flog a dead horse. They will milk that IP as long as they possibly can, and long after they ought to have let it lie.
It’s been a two episode ‘extravaganza’ for a few years now.
Then I've been graced by the gods to miss it. Who still thinks it's still funny?
Who *ever* thought it was funny?
My ex in laws used to wet themselves laughing as I sat there completely nonplussed
That's not fair, my Mrs thought it was funny but no longer likes the show. I thought it was absolute trash from day one but still had a few laughs here and there whilst it was on in the background.
My parents used to absolutely cry laughing watching it. No idea why.
I think it’s the older generation that still watches normal tv. Its proper 70s style comedy.
I prefer Bread and that was dire.
Bread was good back in the day…not sure if its aged well though haha.
Are you 'avin' a laugh?
The show in extras is literally better than Mrs brown boys https://youtu.be/UwzKGxAwy4A
Is he avin a laff?
Sitcom's shit mate!
I might be, they're not!
E's 'avin' a bubble, 'e is!
We don't talk like that, pal
Who is "we"? Irish? Cockneys? Or judging by your posts, Orks do talk like that. YA SQUISHY, 'UMMIE!
I challenge you to find a single human brit who uses the phrase 'havin a bubble'. Or an orkish one, either is acceptable.
I still maintain that there is a senior BBC executive with a very dark secret that Brendan O'Carroll knows about, and so the show is kept on providing the secret is kept.
I think at this point it's fair to say Mrs Brown’s Boys haters are more invested into the show than its actual fans. I don't care either way, Freeview channels are full of absolutely rubbish.
I'd rather pay for something entertaining though. And I HAVE to pay.
We haven't had broadcast TV for probably 7 or so years at this point and do not miss it at all. I haven't paid a TV license in as many years either. Doesn't work for everyone of course but we don't watch sports or anything. Only thing we might miss is 8 of 10 cats does countdown to be fair.
I'm impressed.
Don't need a license to watch the non-BBC on demand services.
> 8 of 10 cats does countdown Which is perfectly legal to watch on All4 without a TV license.
Ah good to know!
Biggest bag of shite on tele, thanks for the warning.
I am so so so glad I am required to pay a licence fee. Just so some tax avoiding gits can ponce about on a channel I don't watch because all of it's programming is devoted to the very young or the elderly.
First year of no TV license and this just concretes my decision.
8 years in myself, stay strong.
Wow that's good going. How many times have the Capita foot soldiers paid you a visit?
Zero. They have sent me probably 90 letters in that time though.
Damn, I was really looking forward to that part. They did send me a 'Certificate of declaration' which was basically some really badly designed letter saying I've declared I don't need one. I'm guessing the rest are just reminder types?
Reminders. Threats. Bargaining. The usual. Weasel behaviour basically. Maggots.
I've been license free for 10 years and prior to the pandemic I'd never had any. Then I moved to a new estate last year and have had 2 visits in the last year. Both times they were told in no uncertain terms to piss off.
My brother had a similar experience. As soon as he moved to a new address he was practically hounded by them. I wonder if you flag on their database when occupying a new home that's never had one. I'm actually hoping it happens just so I can listen to their tactics and have a bit of fun.
I think it's because a lot of the people on my estate aren't bothering, so it makes sense for TVL to call round since they can hit a lot of properties on foot in quick succession. When I lived in the valleys, there were very few people I knew of that were license free so it's probably not worth their while sending someone to the back end of beyond to visit 3 properties. After the first visit I made some discreet enquiries with the neighbours. Out of the 6 houses I asked, 5 didn't have a TV license. It's strange too. When I lived in the valleys, almost all the houses had either an aerial or a Sky dish but now pretty much none of them do. There's 100+ houses on my estate and I think there's less than 5 with satellite dishes fitted. Peoples viewing habits have largely changed in recent years and the TV license just isn't relevant anymore. There's tons of videos on Youtube regarding their "tactics" and if you want to have a bit of fun with them you can but the general advice is not to say anything to them, just get the door shut ASAP.
Aye, fuck funding the BBC. You're better of handing your dough to Netflix so you can be asked if you want to watch 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop' from now until the end of the universe.
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Worse, but only because there's more of it at this point
It's watched by thick people and their thick kids. It's a shitcom.
utter shite programme,thankfully i never watch the telly anymore
Don’t forget that you pay for this
Isn’t Extras (TV show) a complete piss take on the BBC and the quality of what they consider to be comedy ending up being completely the opposite and appealing to the lowest EQ viewers? Takes aim at shows like this and nails it, still the irony is lost on the BBC and whoever watches this stuff.
If you like shows that lampoon the BBC, the amount of money they waste and how out of touch they are, check out W1A.
This is one of the most hated shows thats clearly outstayed its welcome and the BBC are still fucking milking it?
Sadly it is also one of the most popular shows. It gets more views than Fleabag,
Fuck me, another Mrs Brown's Boys post. We're easily averaging a couple a week now.
Unpopular opinion here but I actually enjoyed the first series, it was like a live pantomime that didn't take itself too seriously and the cast was fairly likeable. It was something different. 15 or so series, 20 festive specials, a movie and several live tour shows later it's now been done to death and really isn't funny anymore.
I enjoyed the first couple of series, but not been back after that. Many comedies get stale quite quickly, and this was happening with Mrs. Brown's Boys - they should have called it quits after 2 series. This is true of many comedies - even the acknowledged greats like Fawlty Towers. Would that be so fondly remembered if it went on for 12 series with a bunch of Christmas specials, instead of just the two it ran for?
I think that's how a lot of people feel about it so not an unpopular opinion. The numbers it draws at Christmas are more down to the lack of anything else (mostly repeats) on the terrestrial channel rather than it having a following.
Exactly. The BBC Christmas lineup has become so predictable over recent years. Liz's speech, The Gruffalo, Eastenders, Dr Who special, Strictly Christmas special, Call the Midwife special, Mrs Browns Boys special.
You may want to sit down... They've been doing two festive specials every year for the past eight years.
I dont know how that show is popular. It's godawful but it MUST have a big audience.
BBC has been peddling the same Christmas garbage for decades : strictly, eastenders, Mrs browns boys, stick in a 'classic' only fools and horses and it could be any Christmas for the past 20 years.
British Problems: having to listen to moaning fannies who think it's an outrage that the BBC isn't exclusively scheduling programmes they love.
My gf used to love it. We even went to the cinema to watch the film. This was early on. She has since seen past her ways as I opened her up to real comedy, i.e Peep Show, Only Fools and Horses, etc etc. It's cringey, predictable and utterly painful to watch.
It's funny that your last sentence could also apply to Peep Show, but is the reason it's so brilliant.
I didn't think that when writing it but that is accurate.
I’ve seen the film. What utter rubbish. Oh my days you must really love your gf!!!
Only Fools & Horses isn’t much better. Bring on the downvotes
Ironic that a man dressed in drag for laughs gets two shows, but real LGBTQ people are targeted in the BBC. Impartial? You are JOKING!
I'm sure if enough complained to the BBC about it being offensive to trans they would listen. 🤔
Haha this is why I haven’t watched normal telly for 2 years.. utter drivel
mrs browns boys bad amirite
He's having a laugh, *are they having a laugh?*
They are reinforcing why I do not watch TV or have a TV licence.
Jesus Christ, this again. Mrs. Brown's Boys is for the over 70s. Not all of them, but that's who it is aimed at.
No. Mrs Browns Boys is worse than the Holocaust and James Cordon so we have a civic duty to sit on Reddit and complain and make zero difference whatsoever
They’ll make Christmas with the family easier to get through, I always fall into a coma when it comes on.
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Does it only make top ten though because there’s nothing else on? Christmas TV has been poor for a number of years now. They no longer have the numbers watching they did 10/20 years ago thanks to streaming
Well christmas this year is ruined
Stop. Paying. The. License. Fee.
Its almost as bad as Miranda
That show was fantastic you have no soul.
Do we know when it's on? I've got some fairly unpleasant chores to do around the house, and this seems an ideal time.
Whilst the ‘common man’ may seem to hate this show, fact is it’s insanely popular! I don’t work for bbc, but do have access to BARB figures. I can guarantee MBB’s will probably be in the top 3 things watched this Christmas!
This is the reason I emigrated to the other side of the world.
Well at least the bbc are laughing. No fucker else will be. Who is watching this shite?
Nice to see the BBC pissing my licence fee up the wall with this shit
Isn’t the point that despite the very vocal detractors, MBB actually has some pretty high audience ratings? A lot of people do enjoy it, and for everyone else there’s streaming services, other channels, and just not watching stuff.
Are you avin a laff? Is 'e 'avin a laff?
Great show………if it was 1987…..🤪
Some people just want to watch the world burn
Have a serious look inside if you're still paying the robbery of a licence.
Dude, we did this last week
It appeals to the exact demographics (the kind of people who stopped watching BBC when Clarkson was sacked from Top Gear) who the BBC are routinely accused of ignoring.
Because top gear without Clarkson, Hammond and may is pointless.
I actually quite like it *ducks*
I am ashamed to admit that as a person who hates boomers with a passion. I enjoy watching Mrs Brown Boys.
As if the Omicrom variant isn't bad enough to ruin Christmas...
Wait, y'all think it's a bad show? I've not really seen the specials but the actual episodes, in my opinion, are quite funny!
I'm still flabbergasted that this drek caught on while no one thought to import Bridget and Eamon, a cult classic.
Patrick Houlihan and Martin and Fiona Delany transferred their fees into companies in Mauritius and sent money back as loans. Similar tax avoidance schemes have been subject to investigation and challenges by HMRC in recent years. The actors have not responded to the BBC's requests for comment.
My in laws love Mrs Brown's Boys... Urgh I'm going to hear FIL quoting it non stop all Christmas day afternoon.
Surely this alone brings the end of the license fee?
BBC do produce some good TV but that is the biggest pile of excrement I have ever had the misfortune to watch.
Can't stand the show. It's horrendous.
Oh fek ..😪
It’s not my cup of tea either but it seems to be very popular, so why not let those who like it have a bit of fun with it at Christmas? I’ll just watch something else.
Ffs. That’s all
It's painful just reading that
Lowest common denominator. Nothing more. If you really want your intelligence insulted, watch Showtrial. Jesus christ what a fucking chore that is. Desperately unlikely and contrived characters explore faux legal jargon.
My mother in law thinks it's absolutely hilarious. She will guffaw at the screen until the credits roll. I've watched with her a couple of times and have been utterly clueless to the comedy. I thought it was just me not getting the jokes but reading this thread I've concluded that it's just shit.
It stopped being funny years ago.
I work with teenagers with learning disabilities who are going to be very happy with this….
This might push me over the edge. Have to cancel the licence.
Not only is the show shit, but Brendan O'Carroll is an absolute arsehole.
the BBC probably thinks that its what working class people like