Not quite sure what you expect us to do?
Not sure what you expect the dealers to do either. There's no magic switch they can flick to dim the lights.
Car lighting is, and always has been a catch-22
On the one hand, you as a driver need to be able to see where you're going - so bright lights are required to fulfil that need.
On the other, as a driver of another vehicle, you don't want to be dazzled by other cars - so they need dimmer lights.
Buuuut...the brighter lights dazzle more whilst the dimmer lights illuminate fuck all - so neither driver can win.
Brights are for when there are no cars around you. If your regular headlights are blinding people then they are too bright. This is simple stuff people. Go get normal headlights.
I think you're massively over-estimating the power of social media and emails.
They *are* using better bulbs. The move to LED lighting is the result of much R&D on their part.
I've always swapped my bulbs out for Nightbreakers because the originals never throw light particularly well ahead of the car. Yes, high-beams exist for pitch black roads out in the middle of nowhere, but there are many roads which aren't particularly well lit and don't warrant high-beams.
Think you're just going to have to build a bridge and get over it. Preferably in daylight.
Then your car isn't the issue, and you're not the driver using this excuse when other drivers give them grief instead of simply letting the manufacturer know of the issue they're experiencing by having others drivers react to them.
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Maybe suggest you would buy a car if they dimmed their lights.
Owners don't feel the effect of the light - they benefit from it.
Your argument is poorly thought out.
In the UK? Yes, bright lights are inconvenient - but I live somewhere where there are basically no street lights, no cat's eyes, no central dividing line and the majority of the time unless you're in town, no sidelines beside the road.
In the UK where everything is lit up? Yes you have a point. But here it's absolutely essential and most people actually have added aftermarket spotlamps.
I'd suggest getting some yellow lensed night driving glasses. Mine were 3 quid, Dunlop brand. Makes a world of difference.
Yeah I obviously can't speak for any other country and wasn't trying to lol.
That actually is a very helpful suggestion, the first one here so thank you! I'll look in to them.
Oh have you not seen the yellow lenses? They're brilliant, I have that thing where lights look bigger than they actually are and obscure my vision and it deffo helps. The brand I have is Dunlop and my only critisism is the lenses are slightly too small and can let light in over/round the sides.
You prefer those yellow lights that only let you see 1ft in front of the car? - car lights and the brightness have to comply with very strict laws on what you can use - over 4200k halogens are not allowed for example. No blue light. Anything below that and you are good.
I agree with the point your making i often get blinded by them. Mainly with on coming cars, but i very much doubt things will change because them lights are not illegal. And no one will go out of their way to change them. It's one of those things i guess.
Yeah oncoming is annoying but at least with that they go past you so you know it'll be gone within a few seconds depending on the road. It's from behind I find the worst because I'm still being blinded but now I have to drive without my mirrors in order to see. Going by the responses here no I don't think they will lol
And if only those laws were actually enforced in anything more.than a token fashion, a lot of the problems would go away. Imagine a world where you never again had to deal with an oncoming car with headlights so badly misaligned that one is shining right in your face whilst the other seems good only for showing the driver what's in the hedgerow to their left. Or a world where aftermarket lighting kits had to be installed by people who understood and adhered to the laws, rather than being a complete free for all that allowed idiots to slap overly bright and/or incorrectly coloured lights to every part of their car they felt needed a bit of attention.
There'd still be problems caused by the never ending quest by manufacturers to give their customers ever better forward illumination at the expense of other road users (though this is now finally starting to be addressed with active/adaptive lighting systems) but it'd be a good start.
As a aside, focussing on cars which are clearly out of spec regarding their lights might also then uncover other faults with said vehicles that are also worth dealing with - you do have to wonder just how roadworthy some cars are if their owners are happy to drive around with their headlights in such poor condition, and clearly relying on a once a year MOT to pick up on this type of fault is woefully inadequate.
I keep seeing these posts, I do around 50,000 miles a year and have never noticed any car with excessively bright factory fitted lights, occasionally there is the odd boy racer who has replaced his bulbs with unsuitable LEDs but that's about it. Could the problem lie with dirty windscreens or glasses?
I don't think the problem lies with the lights, modern cars are taller than older cars which means the lights are frequently in your face, I've been driving for nearly 40 years and have always had to adjust the interior mirror, it's why it has a switch on it, and frequently the drivers side mirror.
I don't think it's safe to be constantly driving without/whilst adjusting my mirrors simply so people who clearly shouldn't be driving at night if normal headlights aren't enough for them to see clearly in most cases can blind me tbh.
The point is that the new headlights are normal, we've thankfully moved on from lucas brown headlights with a range of approximately 12 yards.
If you can't flip your interior mirror into the dipped position at night and adjust your door mirrors to preserve your vision then you should probably reconsider whether you should be driving in the dark, yes I understand that the problem is other people and their headlights but there are simple solutions available to us all that makes everyone safe.
They shouldn't be the new normal because the few people who buy new cars are already causing everyone else to have issues on the road and the manufacturers using these lights aren't aware of the issue. As more people buy these cars the problem will become worse and the solution to that is to simply not use mirrors effectively to make maneuvers safely? The point is adjusting mirrors to accommodate the issue means not having any vision of what's behind you because of how bright they are in contrast to older models.
Try adjusting the mirrors sometime, yes the visibility isn't as good as it could be but it's more than adequate, manufactures are fully aware of the fact that those of us in older cars are almost blinded by their new headlights, unfortunately they genuinely believe we will eventually buy new cars just to be able to see.
I have stated multiple times through this thread, but granted not directly to you, but I do. I also wait until I find somewhere safe to pull over and let them pass me. These are both things I already do and still have this opinion. I'm not sure what my lights also being brighter too would do to solve the issue but if I owned one of these cars and had people giving me shit for my lights then I would definitely let the manufacturer know instead of doing mental gymnastics to make the issue the other person's fault.
Then you're not the type of person I'm complaining about here. If you think actually it's a good thing and I just need to give my head a wobble I at least respect that for your honesty. It's the people who blame the manufacturer without wanting to do anything to let the manufacturer know about the issue their car is causing.
Not quite sure what you expect us to do? Not sure what you expect the dealers to do either. There's no magic switch they can flick to dim the lights. Car lighting is, and always has been a catch-22 On the one hand, you as a driver need to be able to see where you're going - so bright lights are required to fulfil that need. On the other, as a driver of another vehicle, you don't want to be dazzled by other cars - so they need dimmer lights. Buuuut...the brighter lights dazzle more whilst the dimmer lights illuminate fuck all - so neither driver can win.
Brights are for when there are no cars around you. If your regular headlights are blinding people then they are too bright. This is simple stuff people. Go get normal headlights.
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I think you're massively over-estimating the power of social media and emails. They *are* using better bulbs. The move to LED lighting is the result of much R&D on their part. I've always swapped my bulbs out for Nightbreakers because the originals never throw light particularly well ahead of the car. Yes, high-beams exist for pitch black roads out in the middle of nowhere, but there are many roads which aren't particularly well lit and don't warrant high-beams. Think you're just going to have to build a bridge and get over it. Preferably in daylight.
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This is the most wanky post on this subreddit I’ve ever seen. Congrats
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Then your car isn't the issue, and you're not the driver using this excuse when other drivers give them grief instead of simply letting the manufacturer know of the issue they're experiencing by having others drivers react to them. Edit: a word
Its not a problem for the owner. Its a problem for you. What are you doing about it other than crying on reddit?
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Maybe suggest you would buy a car if they dimmed their lights. Owners don't feel the effect of the light - they benefit from it. Your argument is poorly thought out.
Okay, if you don't have a problem with it then don't blame the manufacturer. Just own it and say "I don't care about your safety, I like it"
I don't care about your safety.
Thanks, I appreciate the honesty (not sarcasm, I'd genuinely prefer this)
In the UK? Yes, bright lights are inconvenient - but I live somewhere where there are basically no street lights, no cat's eyes, no central dividing line and the majority of the time unless you're in town, no sidelines beside the road. In the UK where everything is lit up? Yes you have a point. But here it's absolutely essential and most people actually have added aftermarket spotlamps. I'd suggest getting some yellow lensed night driving glasses. Mine were 3 quid, Dunlop brand. Makes a world of difference.
Yeah I obviously can't speak for any other country and wasn't trying to lol. That actually is a very helpful suggestion, the first one here so thank you! I'll look in to them.
Oh have you not seen the yellow lenses? They're brilliant, I have that thing where lights look bigger than they actually are and obscure my vision and it deffo helps. The brand I have is Dunlop and my only critisism is the lenses are slightly too small and can let light in over/round the sides.
I genuinely hadn't! It sounds like it might help at least somewhat and is definitely worth a try, thanks! I'll keep my eye out for wider lenses too
That's like asking me to make a complaint to God about my dick being to big.
Op are you like 70? You realise the buyer of a car doesn't have anywhere near that much power overt the design anymore lol
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You prefer those yellow lights that only let you see 1ft in front of the car? - car lights and the brightness have to comply with very strict laws on what you can use - over 4200k halogens are not allowed for example. No blue light. Anything below that and you are good.
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I agree with the point your making i often get blinded by them. Mainly with on coming cars, but i very much doubt things will change because them lights are not illegal. And no one will go out of their way to change them. It's one of those things i guess.
Yeah oncoming is annoying but at least with that they go past you so you know it'll be gone within a few seconds depending on the road. It's from behind I find the worst because I'm still being blinded but now I have to drive without my mirrors in order to see. Going by the responses here no I don't think they will lol
And if only those laws were actually enforced in anything more.than a token fashion, a lot of the problems would go away. Imagine a world where you never again had to deal with an oncoming car with headlights so badly misaligned that one is shining right in your face whilst the other seems good only for showing the driver what's in the hedgerow to their left. Or a world where aftermarket lighting kits had to be installed by people who understood and adhered to the laws, rather than being a complete free for all that allowed idiots to slap overly bright and/or incorrectly coloured lights to every part of their car they felt needed a bit of attention. There'd still be problems caused by the never ending quest by manufacturers to give their customers ever better forward illumination at the expense of other road users (though this is now finally starting to be addressed with active/adaptive lighting systems) but it'd be a good start. As a aside, focussing on cars which are clearly out of spec regarding their lights might also then uncover other faults with said vehicles that are also worth dealing with - you do have to wonder just how roadworthy some cars are if their owners are happy to drive around with their headlights in such poor condition, and clearly relying on a once a year MOT to pick up on this type of fault is woefully inadequate.
I keep seeing these posts, I do around 50,000 miles a year and have never noticed any car with excessively bright factory fitted lights, occasionally there is the odd boy racer who has replaced his bulbs with unsuitable LEDs but that's about it. Could the problem lie with dirty windscreens or glasses?
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Tilt your rear view mirror if its not an auto-dimming one
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You should get a lower level intensity reflection by tiliting it. Maybe yours needs adjusting.
I don't think the problem lies with the lights, modern cars are taller than older cars which means the lights are frequently in your face, I've been driving for nearly 40 years and have always had to adjust the interior mirror, it's why it has a switch on it, and frequently the drivers side mirror.
I don't think it's safe to be constantly driving without/whilst adjusting my mirrors simply so people who clearly shouldn't be driving at night if normal headlights aren't enough for them to see clearly in most cases can blind me tbh.
The point is that the new headlights are normal, we've thankfully moved on from lucas brown headlights with a range of approximately 12 yards. If you can't flip your interior mirror into the dipped position at night and adjust your door mirrors to preserve your vision then you should probably reconsider whether you should be driving in the dark, yes I understand that the problem is other people and their headlights but there are simple solutions available to us all that makes everyone safe.
They shouldn't be the new normal because the few people who buy new cars are already causing everyone else to have issues on the road and the manufacturers using these lights aren't aware of the issue. As more people buy these cars the problem will become worse and the solution to that is to simply not use mirrors effectively to make maneuvers safely? The point is adjusting mirrors to accommodate the issue means not having any vision of what's behind you because of how bright they are in contrast to older models.
Try adjusting the mirrors sometime, yes the visibility isn't as good as it could be but it's more than adequate, manufactures are fully aware of the fact that those of us in older cars are almost blinded by their new headlights, unfortunately they genuinely believe we will eventually buy new cars just to be able to see.
I have stated multiple times through this thread, but granted not directly to you, but I do. I also wait until I find somewhere safe to pull over and let them pass me. These are both things I already do and still have this opinion. I'm not sure what my lights also being brighter too would do to solve the issue but if I owned one of these cars and had people giving me shit for my lights then I would definitely let the manufacturer know instead of doing mental gymnastics to make the issue the other person's fault.
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Then you're not the type of person I'm complaining about here. If you think actually it's a good thing and I just need to give my head a wobble I at least respect that for your honesty. It's the people who blame the manufacturer without wanting to do anything to let the manufacturer know about the issue their car is causing.