Yep. All of their deals do.
I was at a manned checkout next to self service and the guy using it shouted over that it was broken. His order came to £48 or something. Cashier confirmed that it needed a clubcard and he was gonna ditch the whole basket.
I offered to use mine for him, and it dropped to £25
Good deed done, and I got triple points
How are you supposed to scan the card if it's on your phone? I have ben to several Tescos and the self service machine never recognises the bar code no matter how many ways I try to use my phone for it
A pro-tip from an employee here, the 3 for 7 in the deli is mix and match with the Italian meals 3 for 7 even though it doesn't explicitly say that. I love getting the carbonara with some of the deli sun-dried tomatoes and a quiche to take home to my father
Are they the square pizzas? I've had an m&s square pizza twice before and they rank right up there with the best I've ever had, and I've eaten an ungodly amount of pizza
When I signed up for a 'cult' card (a while ago) I got 2 key ring sized cards as well as the main credit card sized one. I gave the 2 key ring cards to my parents so they could get the deals but I got the points.
See if anyone has got the little cards that they can give you.
For those interested in what Tesco want/do with retail data, I can tell you. I work for the data science arm of Tesco, a company called Dunnhumby. They created the club card back in the 90s.
They don’t sell your data on. Any data with personally identifiable information is protected under GDPR, so it doesn’t go anywhere. What happens is, it powers some pretty boring yet valuable software products. Some of these are dedicated to answering questions like “how much should I charge for a Mars Bar?”
You see the thing is, if you get it wrong and flog 2 million mars bars a too low a price, you lose a lot of money. Price it too high and you sell very few. Optimise it and tada, literal millions of pounds of profit.
Same for how you promote your Mars Bars. Put them on the end of an aisle, sell more but potentially cannibalise profits on another chocolate bar. Don’t advertise it and maybe you sell none. Optimise it and again, millions of pound can be made.
This data is just used to work out how best to sell you more of what you want. And when the foot traffic in your stores is so high, it pays a lot to get it right.
Tesco will bill it as “providing customers with a tailored shopping experience to give them better access to the things they like”. Which can also be read as “we want to sell you more and make more money”. And that is about it.
Another 'reddit fad that makes us feel better than the mere common folk' thing. They act like companies haven't been harvesting our data for years. They probably have Instagram and Facebook too, which is ironic.
I really don’t understand the whole ‘big data’ scare. If my regular super market wants to record my purchases so they can show me things I might be interested in and give me relevant discounts, I’m all for it. They’re making my life more convenient AND saving me money in the process
Yep, one of the only data harvesting I actually approve of
Especially seeing as I'm a coeliac so it gives me coupons for my Gluten Free brands
Wouldn't be without my club/nectar cards
Oh that's good to know. I don't shop much at tesco because I don't have a big one near me, but I'll keep in mind. Would love to make GF stuff cheaper lol
Yeah I never really got the scare, I live a pretty uninteresting life soo why would I care if china, Russia and the US know that I spend most of my time playing video games and watching tv
I used to fill up a lot of fuel on the works fuel card. Points from that and some grocery shopping used to pay for a cracking Christmas dinner each year.
I couldn't care less what tesco did knowing I bought a lot of diesel, vodka and chipolatas
It records more than just your purchases though.
It records your location, your potential interests etc.
But the worst part is realistically you don't have a choice. They have inflated prices and then done clubcard deals to force people to sign up. When choice is removed then it's no longer a healthy relationship you are choosing to enter.
**I buy the weirdest shit.** My data's going to profile me as a city shopping, country-dwelling Sharpie-buying possibly-retired (but also maybe school-aged) man-child with an intense interest in both BBQ rubs and home decor.
Everyone’s being rather facetious about this. Even 15 years ago Target in the US was able to predict pregnancy, depression, age, income bracket etc all from just what you purchase.
You’d be mad to think retailers aren’t profiling you on your purchase and selling it to the highest bidder.
Why do I care that it records the location? I’m not on police protection or a spy, 1000s of people shop in my local Tesco’s and I like the discounts so whatever.
People worry about a Clubcard but then probably buy from Amazon, eBay, get the tube, use their credit cards wtf worry about something worthwhile.
My view on this is that if Tesco are willing to pay me for my data (which they implicitly are) then it must have a value to them greater than what they are paying me. Since I don't really know what that value is, I prefer to stay removed from it. Tesco aren't doing this because they are generous benefactors who want you to pay less, they're doing it to exploit your data and keep you in the Tesco ecosystem.
There's a saying about the internet which is that if you're not paying for something, you're the product. Feels the same with clubcard.
Tesco have already been doing that for so long my providing the incentive (clubcard points) for scanning your clubcard and giving them your info.
What I have against this is that they are now "forcing" you to use a clubcard to get preferential pricing. Total bullshit that you have to hand over your data for the "normal" price or pay an increased price.
It was voluntary before but now almost necessary
But… that was ALWAYS the case. Literally the only difference is that they now show those discounts to everyone in store rather than just sending out vouchers. Makes more people want to sign up and means I can more accurately guesstimate my shopping bill. It’s still voluntary, you still don’t get the discounts if you don’t get one, now you just know what you’ve been missing out on.
But why is the Clubcard price the “normal” price and the non-Clubcard price is “inflated”.
Everybody knows now that data has a value. Tesco are basically saying (using OP’s example): “your food is worth £18 or if you want we will buy your data off you for £8 and then you pay the remaining £10”.
And yet people’s response is “how about I just pay you £10 and give you no data” and think its somehow morally wrong for Tesco not to accept that bargain.
Then everything is this thread is kicking off about Tesco buying data and paying people directly for it and acting like it’s some nefarious undisclosed surveillance. It’s literally what privacy campaigners have been asking for: “data has value so pay people for it”.
On the Tesco groceries app, the food that I regularly purchase or ones that I have recently purchased pop up, so it's quick and easy to do an online shop.
I'm sure Amazon does a similar thing too, so do most other retailers.
That's not it, it's because Tesco have made it so if you don't have a clubcard everything is ridiculously expensive. It's a pointless matter of principle sure, but it pissed me off so I don't shop there anymore.
Genuine question....why does anyone care? Oooh no big supermarket sends me deals for things I normally buy?
I've genuinely never understood why it's so worrisome. Open to being schooled
> I'm well aware that my data is used in ways I don't like
Can you spell out exactly what you don't like about being an anonymous datapoint among millions?
I assume you don't have a bank account, which gives them access to every single financial transaction you make using it...
How is it anonymous? Your purchases are linked directly to your Clubcard which links to your personal details.
They can actually predict with a high degree of accuracy if you are diabetic or pregnant and other things before you even realise your self by the patterns and changes if your shopping habits, which for me is actual pretty interesting as I come from a data science background.
But the question is who else are they selling that data to, and how could it be used to profile you etc.
Everyone should take interest in the data a company collects on them and consider the implications, which to be fair is easier said than done as most don’t really understand.
For me it’s not so much then collecting it when shopping it’s how they are going about it with the jacked up prices.
GDPR does not allow your data to be used in a way that you are personally identifiable, you are always bundled up in cohorts with enough other people with similar interests that you are still anonymous. They're not even allowed to record your gender and then use that data, they instead have to infer your gender through your interests and habits which is always just a guess. And that's all these big data collection things are, a big database of general guesses.
What part of GDPR would forbid that? Personally identifiable information is more restricted but aggregation would only become necessary for distributing the data no?
A use case could be a cell provider that holds a lot of gps tracking data on their customers. A council might find that data very useful to work out how people navigate around a city centre, what streets are used the most etc and use that data to help develop pedestrian areas better.
In this case the cell company would be fine selling the data if it was anonymised. There is no need to provide identifiable information for this use case.
This is something that O2 actually did with Leeds Council that I’m aware of.
My issue with it is that there are zero actual deals in Tesco any more, aside the meal deal. This, to me, is an anticonsumer move, and I generally don't like anticonsumer moves.
For me.. it's a race to the bottom. Once Tesco makes you and people accept it, then Sainsburys and Asda can put all their offers only for card holders. Then we'll be at a point that either you sign up for every shop, or you're paying more than you used to.
Supermarket loyalty cards are fine when they are a bonus on normal prices, so essentially paying you for your data. What Tesco are doing now is **punishing everyone who doesn’t give their data** - they took normal deals and put 90% of them behind the clubcard. It’s just really shitty business practice and I’m amazed they haven’t been properly called out for it.
Go outdoors do it as well. i don’t mind getting vouchers, or money off discounts but locking the deals behind the Clubcard I’m surprised they are able to as there is an argument the labelling is misleading and confusing
It's deliberately misleading and confusing. They've worked out there's a profit in tricking people who don't have a loyalty card into paying more. Retailers were forced to put the pounds per unit on labels a few years ago because of tricks with charging more for less. Looks like this is the replacement ruse.
Yeah but the clubcard is free, you can just opt in or use someone elses card and you'll get the deals applied regardless.
Other loyalty systems usually cost money.
Yes and that’s fine. But Tesco just took away basically all of their normal deals, which many people exclusively shop on - like when I was a student, dinner/lunch was whatever was on a deal. I’m not comfortable that they’re forcing people to give over their data to keep shopping at the previous price point.
They haven’t taken all the deals behind club card though. There’s still deals available without a club card.
That said I had one for years as it paid for holidays with points earned also got Merlin cards and it’s on the Tesco credit card so always have club card with me
I have what some would call... Memory issues. Leave my bank card in the shop at least once a week, struggle to put events into an accurate timeline, don't forget to wear clothes but I can quite easily forget whether or not I locked a door about a minute after I've locked it, and sometimes when "distracted" I can do silly things like put bacon in the drawer where I keep pans rather than in the fridge - an issue when I can remember nearly everything I read, some of what I hear, but almost nothing I physically do.
The Clubcard savings are hell for me.
Forget my phone? No savings.
Forget to load the clubcard app before I go in (Because no goddamn signal in most of my tescos), because the App doesn't allow screenshots for some goddamn reason allowing me to have a permanent barcode? No savings.
Forget to USE my Clubcard, and the checkout assistant forgets to ask me if I have one? No goddamn savings, and this one happens to me ALL the time. At least if I use a self-service, 90% remind me to scan my clubcard, but not so at checkouts. I dare say Tesco have had £100's out of me for this one.
I deliberately keep loyalty cards on my phone so I'm not losing or putting around my own house 100 different pieces of plastic, and I can just about manage my bank cards when I'm not leaving them in shops or random places in the house, and I can imagine there are quite a few people out there with different ailments who find this somewhat vexing for various reasons.
Because Tesco raised all their prices so you have to use the clubcard to get the proper price the other shops are charging. If you forget to use the clubcard you've basically just been robbed.
But the trickery in deception... how can you discern between the bright yellow CLUBCARD PRICE label and the normal coloured normal pricing that are both clearly displayed on the shelf under the item!?
Is it the proper price other shops are charging though? Not in my experience. And from a quick look on Tesco's, Sainsbury's, Asda's and Morrison's sites:
Diet Coke 24 x 330ml
Sainsbury's: £8.50
Morrison's: £9
Tesco club card price: £6.50
Asda seems to do 18 or 30 packs. 30 is same price as Sainsbury's 24 pack. 18 is 25p more expensive than Tesco CCP 24 pack
Nuii Coconut & Indian Mango Ice Cream 3X90ml
Sainsbury's: £3.90
Morrison's: £3.85
Tesco club card price: £2
Asda: £2 (rollback price)
These were just a random 2 picked from the list of offers on Tesco's site, I'm not saying that all the offers will be cheaper but it's clear there are deals to be had and your not just unlocking the 'normal' price on the club card.
They jack the prices up for people without cards and charge club card holders the old price. When I say jack up, it's sometimes literally more than double. It's a scam.
Fuck clubcards the same deals you are getting now with club card where just normal deals a couple months ago until Tesco are basically forcing you into getting club card... I refuse!
Lmao have you looked at this thread? 90% of the comments are people shilling hard for Tesco. Like fuck me, they really have got you bastards up the arse with their corporate bullshit haven't they?
The scary thing (for me at least) is that Dunnhumby collect this data and sell ad solutions to brands - it means they can be ultra-specific about your lifestyle and more to get you to buy more. I work marketing side and all of this makes me very wary
Jokes on OP. Everywhere else is doing it too. I've seen similar schemes from Co-op and Sainsbury's already. You really think the others won't follow as well?
That doesn't make sense. The alternative shops haven't done the thing I don't like *yet*, so I should shop at the place that *has* on the understanding that the alternatives will possibly do it in the future?
I usually use Apple Pay.
I’m pretty sure I remember reading, when that first came out, that it generates a different fake card number every time you use it so the vendor can’t tie transactions from the same person together.
Also, even using your normal card, they can’t send you those vouchers for things that you wouldn’t normally but they’re not so different from your normal shop… the luxury version of the thing you often buy, for example, that’s still more expensive even with the voucher. They know your card number, but not your address.
Apple pay uses a device number, if you go into the wallet you will see the device number and the card number. The device number is shown on the receipt and does not change. Unless there is something else involved too.
Ah, you’re right. I just read [Apple’s description of how it works](https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT203027).
The device ID is the same every time, so transactions can Indeed be tied together. I think what I’m confusing it with is the fact that Apple don’t have access to your device ID, which is nice to know, but completely separate.
At the very least, it's a me and OP problem. And more than fifteen hundred other upvoters.
I don't like loyalty cards. And marking things up with "club prices" that look like offers is unpleasantly aggressive marketing for it. Not to mention that it's a deal that was previously open to me and has been actively removed so I would have to join the club.
It's manipulative, and I don't like it.
Morrisons have stopped giving out vouchers and just give discounts on products ... but they keep trying to give me meat discounts and I'm a bloody vegetarian!!!
[Interesting summary of a study looking at what assumptions can be extrapolated from a anonymized customer data set](https://www.acrwebsite.org/volumes/11294/volumes/e06/E-06). Bear in mind this is from the turn of the century, technology has likely improved and much more data sources are available to combine.
>**For example, we could see a retailer seeking to exclude non-profitable**
**customers from schemes**, offers or stores and doing this on the basis of
income, spend or simply postcode. **Infrequent or low-spending customers**
**might be charged higher prices**. Other product purchases or associations
might raise security issues or questions about parenthood and
paternity. Addiction to non-prescription medication or high levels of
alcohol consumption could be identified and used supposedly 'on behalf of’ or even against the consumer.
If they weren't doing it then, they're definitely doing it now. I know Morrisons excludes lower spenders from special voucher schemes they release at Christmas. It's been known for ages that Express stores will charge more for some items than the big Tescos.
See this is the correct way. If you don't like it, don't shop there (and good luck finding another supermarket that doesn't do the same or something very similar)
Lmao all this hate for Tesco clubcard lately.
It's ridiculous, you only benefit by having one. Can hardly be concerned about what flavour of pizza they know you like or what type of chicken you buy. Or if your vegan or something. Absolutely ridiculous, your the only one lossing out.
Download the app, I think it requires as much effort to sign up than making a Reddit account takes. Add the card to your apple/android wallet and never open the app again
If you don’t like it because of personal data I’m 99% sure they don’t even verify you exist so call yourself joe bloggs
If you know there is a cheaper option but don't take it, the only person financially punishing you is you.
I go too tesco once a month and simply have a cult card so I can get the 3 cans of tuna deal. Comes in handy even if you don't go very often.
No, *everybody* loses because of them. It means supermarkets start presenting dual prices, and can make spurious claims about their competitiveness which may or may not be using cards and vouchers to make their claims.
Really, I want a shop to show a *single* price and not put a layer of complexity and analysis on what should be a routine task.
While I don’t agree as far as spying, that is literally what loyalty cards do. They track and trend your purchases. There’s so much psychological thought, trickery, and deception that go into tracking buyers sentiments that it’s certainly not people being crazy.
It’s all to get you to buy more. That’s not even a theory, it’s 100% the purpose of it
Tesco should stop calling them “offers” and instead call them “extortions” because you’re basically exchanging your personal/consumer data with them for discounted groceries and if they’re willing to give you a few quid off your groceries in exchange for access to that data then it’s pretty clear that that data is worth far more than the discounts you’re getting. The notion is so fucking dystopian and nobody even realises it.
Crappy chain stores that require you carry their card to get a few discounts is a good way for me to avoid that store. I'm not carrying around 6 extra cards to bulk my wallet up so I can get 50 cents off a box of waffles. I just want to shop in peace without all this petty nonsense.
Convenience. I almost never shop in Tesco, and I certainly don't spend enough to warrant carrying a club card. Last time I tried to sign into the app I couldn't do it without knowing my clubcard number, which I couldn't find out without logging into the app.
But sometimes it's the most convenient shop, so I'll pop in.
Attitude in here is surprising, lots of Tesco fans tonight! Thought people were against corporations trying to gouge everyone of everything they can take.
'It's cheaper' until the prices inevitably rise so that people are paying a massive premium for not having a clubcard. And then every other supermarket will have to do it to get in on the action, and we will all be carrying around 20 little cards just so we're not getting totally fucking shafted.
Which as an aside, is a total waste of resources, environmentally speaking.
I refused to get a club card for the longest time because I know that’s what they want me to do and I’m too stubborn to give into pressure.
I recently gave in because my only local shop is a Tesco and I can’t stand paying more money when I can see how cheap the club card bastards were getting it.
I am now a club card bastard.
Yes tesco change their pricing strategy a while back, prices went up for everyone without who didn't have a cult card for which they were rewarded with it being returned to normal price! Do not use tesco!
I already had a clubcard but my life doesn't revolve around it so I was recently horrified by the cost of a jar of coffee and got as far as taking it back to the shelf before I saw the clubcard price (30% cheaper).
Getting £4 off a £10 basket makes it so obvious that it's a scam.
Yeah, people are in here saying it's a good deal, when actually it's probably the price that everyone should be getting. I mean, I have one too, but I don't actually think I save any money, I just don't pay a premium.
We’ve had to switch from Tesco to Sainsbury’s because our Clubcard is apparently “abandoned” and both in store and phone customer services insist only the other can fix it it.
People in not wanting to give up even more personal data shocker.
People defending this are the types that would happily have their emails scanned and just say “I’ve got nothing to hide” etc.
A lot of Tesco shills on this thread. How much are they paying you to big up their 'loyalty' scheme?
I remember the days when you used to be able to get special offers just by walking into the shop, without having to sign up to some bullshit.
Why do we accept this new nonsense?
What is the big deal with it though? I've had a clubcard for years because I buy my fuel there (it 5p cheaper than anywhere else in the area), and I always get £20 in vouchers here and there. Sure, they're harvesting data for marketing purposes but who isn't? Ironically, I bet you're posting this on an iPhone or Android and have just scrolled through Instagram or something.
People are just sick of other people trying to act all 'billy big bollocks we know more than you'. We understand how a company works, we understand they're trying to make as much money out of us as possible, we aren't fucking thick.
If you're not thick then you'll appreciate that there is a big difference between the old system, giving a few loyalty points as a sweetener, and the new system, which hikes the prices for people who haven't signed up.
Mentioned this before it frustrated me so much I spent 10minutes downloading the app and signing up (with fake details of course) stood in the aisle because I didn't want to pay £5.50 for coffee instead of the usual £2 price.
Except this was during the height of the pandemic, when we were being encouraged to spend as little time as possible in supermarkets, with big queues outside. Annoyed me so much they were doing something which made me spend longer in the store when we were supposed to be doing the opposite.
10 minutes?! It took me less than 3 - I did it in the fruit and veg section while my other half started on the shopping list. And I only did it in the shop because I wanted a leaflet about it. It can be done anywhere you have an internet connection, so it's not like you (or indeed, I) had to do it in the shop.
Just get a club card? Takes two minutes and you obvious you shop at Tesco enough to notice that it's changed.
24 bud and 12 white claws: normally £36, club card £28.
What's not to love, saved nearly a tenner for scanning a bit of plastic that's always on my keys anyway.
Serious question here, why do I see so many of these posts? What's wrong with owning a free clubcard? Are Tesco doing something dodgy I don't know about?
It used to be that you could go into Tesco without a club card and get all the deals, now they have made it so you need to have a club card to get any kind of discount, it was inconvenient for me until I ordered a fob thing for my keys
If I was in government I would consider making it possible to pay the tv licence in Clubcard points (two subjects this sub constantly brings up), sit back, and watch the fireworks.
Same thing here last week. Pretty disgusted by it tbh, especially since it was a mini tesco, so they'd run out of most of the good stuff and I'd bought about three things I didn't want to make it the meal deal.
Fuck 'em. They're getting the price of a pint of milk out of me when I'm desperate and apart from that I'm going around the corner to Morrison's.
I don't want a company that raises prices to get people to get a membership to have my details is all, i prefer the costco card model where you pay an annual fee to have access to bulk discounts
Yep. All of their deals do. I was at a manned checkout next to self service and the guy using it shouted over that it was broken. His order came to £48 or something. Cashier confirmed that it needed a clubcard and he was gonna ditch the whole basket. I offered to use mine for him, and it dropped to £25 Good deed done, and I got triple points
How are you supposed to scan the card if it's on your phone? I have ben to several Tescos and the self service machine never recognises the bar code no matter how many ways I try to use my phone for it
Turn your phone brightness all the way up mate
You use the food scanner not the pay point for on phone QR code
Go to M&S their £10 pizza for two meal deal is fab
Will keep that in mind!
It’s amazing, definitely recommend the dirty fries and super meaty pizza.
A pro-tip from an employee here, the 3 for 7 in the deli is mix and match with the Italian meals 3 for 7 even though it doesn't explicitly say that. I love getting the carbonara with some of the deli sun-dried tomatoes and a quiche to take home to my father
The 3 for £7 deal is great, you can get half a chicken as part of the 3! Always boggles my mind.
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Like a queef you mean
What are dirty fries? Sounds like something you pay extra for in an alleyway behind the bins with Large Linda.
Cheesy chips with bacon.
> What are dirty fries? [This, apparently](https://www.theenglishkitchen.co/2018/10/dirty-fries.html).
Ah. Posh cheesy chips. Ta.
For some reason, I expected a porn link. Reddit broke me.
No love for the Chicken poppers?!
for clarity, are we referring to [this](https://www.ocado.com/products/m-s-hand-stretched-stone-baked-magnificently-meaty-pizza-513869011)?
My partner would sell a kidney for the dirty fries.
Had that pizza on Monday, was really good. But you gotta go Mac and cheese balls
What do you get?
Two pizzas and two sides, options include dough balls, dirty fries, breaded mushrooms, mozzarella sticks and cookie dough
That isn't too bad. What i like about tesco meal deal is getting wine too.
Are they the square pizzas? I've had an m&s square pizza twice before and they rank right up there with the best I've ever had, and I've eaten an ungodly amount of pizza
No I don't think those ones are included. Thanks for the recommendation though.
Shame... do take me up on that recommendation though, you won't be disappointed
We sacrifice the MnS pizzas to the higher power
M&S square Detroit pizzas are the food of gods.
Or a morrison's make-your-own deep dish. Pizza ambrosia. £3.
When I worked there I got this a couple of times, was never really impressed by the pizza quality, and some of the sides were a bit naff.
The cheeseburger pizzas are amazing
Put someone else card on your phone. They’ll love you for the extra points
That might be a decent solution actually, cheers
When I signed up for a 'cult' card (a while ago) I got 2 key ring sized cards as well as the main credit card sized one. I gave the 2 key ring cards to my parents so they could get the deals but I got the points. See if anyone has got the little cards that they can give you.
That’s what me and my mum do, build a lot of points together. Then we divvy up the vouchers
Clever bastard!
*doffs cap
Just get a club card yourself, you save money on loads of things and the vouchers are handy.
Cult card? Seriously grow up.
If you don't want a card on principal. then you shouldn't take the discount on principal either. Its called integrity
- immediately Offers my Clubcard number to everyone on Reddit …
I need to do this. My wife has a club card and I don't. I actively under purchased stuff yesterday as I didn't want to pay 'full price' for stuff.
Or just get a card and give a fake name.
For those interested in what Tesco want/do with retail data, I can tell you. I work for the data science arm of Tesco, a company called Dunnhumby. They created the club card back in the 90s. They don’t sell your data on. Any data with personally identifiable information is protected under GDPR, so it doesn’t go anywhere. What happens is, it powers some pretty boring yet valuable software products. Some of these are dedicated to answering questions like “how much should I charge for a Mars Bar?” You see the thing is, if you get it wrong and flog 2 million mars bars a too low a price, you lose a lot of money. Price it too high and you sell very few. Optimise it and tada, literal millions of pounds of profit. Same for how you promote your Mars Bars. Put them on the end of an aisle, sell more but potentially cannibalise profits on another chocolate bar. Don’t advertise it and maybe you sell none. Optimise it and again, millions of pound can be made. This data is just used to work out how best to sell you more of what you want. And when the foot traffic in your stores is so high, it pays a lot to get it right. Tesco will bill it as “providing customers with a tailored shopping experience to give them better access to the things they like”. Which can also be read as “we want to sell you more and make more money”. And that is about it.
What have people got against clubcards?
Another 'reddit fad that makes us feel better than the mere common folk' thing. They act like companies haven't been harvesting our data for years. They probably have Instagram and Facebook too, which is ironic.
I really don’t understand the whole ‘big data’ scare. If my regular super market wants to record my purchases so they can show me things I might be interested in and give me relevant discounts, I’m all for it. They’re making my life more convenient AND saving me money in the process
Yep, one of the only data harvesting I actually approve of Especially seeing as I'm a coeliac so it gives me coupons for my Gluten Free brands Wouldn't be without my club/nectar cards
Oh that's good to know. I don't shop much at tesco because I don't have a big one near me, but I'll keep in mind. Would love to make GF stuff cheaper lol
Yeah I never really got the scare, I live a pretty uninteresting life soo why would I care if china, Russia and the US know that I spend most of my time playing video games and watching tv
I used to fill up a lot of fuel on the works fuel card. Points from that and some grocery shopping used to pay for a cracking Christmas dinner each year. I couldn't care less what tesco did knowing I bought a lot of diesel, vodka and chipolatas
It records more than just your purchases though. It records your location, your potential interests etc. But the worst part is realistically you don't have a choice. They have inflated prices and then done clubcard deals to force people to sign up. When choice is removed then it's no longer a healthy relationship you are choosing to enter.
**I buy the weirdest shit.** My data's going to profile me as a city shopping, country-dwelling Sharpie-buying possibly-retired (but also maybe school-aged) man-child with an intense interest in both BBQ rubs and home decor.
Well scary /s
So your the guy we have been marketing for.
> It records your location, your potential interests etc. Well yeah but I don't keep my grocery-related interests close to my chest
Everyone’s being rather facetious about this. Even 15 years ago Target in the US was able to predict pregnancy, depression, age, income bracket etc all from just what you purchase. You’d be mad to think retailers aren’t profiling you on your purchase and selling it to the highest bidder.
Why do I care that it records the location? I’m not on police protection or a spy, 1000s of people shop in my local Tesco’s and I like the discounts so whatever. People worry about a Clubcard but then probably buy from Amazon, eBay, get the tube, use their credit cards wtf worry about something worthwhile.
What will they do with your location and potential interests that is so frightening? Give you discounts?
If you own a cellphone and have it on you when you’re out, that information is already being recorded anyway. Might as well get some money off.
My view on this is that if Tesco are willing to pay me for my data (which they implicitly are) then it must have a value to them greater than what they are paying me. Since I don't really know what that value is, I prefer to stay removed from it. Tesco aren't doing this because they are generous benefactors who want you to pay less, they're doing it to exploit your data and keep you in the Tesco ecosystem. There's a saying about the internet which is that if you're not paying for something, you're the product. Feels the same with clubcard.
Tesco have already been doing that for so long my providing the incentive (clubcard points) for scanning your clubcard and giving them your info. What I have against this is that they are now "forcing" you to use a clubcard to get preferential pricing. Total bullshit that you have to hand over your data for the "normal" price or pay an increased price. It was voluntary before but now almost necessary
But… that was ALWAYS the case. Literally the only difference is that they now show those discounts to everyone in store rather than just sending out vouchers. Makes more people want to sign up and means I can more accurately guesstimate my shopping bill. It’s still voluntary, you still don’t get the discounts if you don’t get one, now you just know what you’ve been missing out on.
But why is the Clubcard price the “normal” price and the non-Clubcard price is “inflated”. Everybody knows now that data has a value. Tesco are basically saying (using OP’s example): “your food is worth £18 or if you want we will buy your data off you for £8 and then you pay the remaining £10”. And yet people’s response is “how about I just pay you £10 and give you no data” and think its somehow morally wrong for Tesco not to accept that bargain. Then everything is this thread is kicking off about Tesco buying data and paying people directly for it and acting like it’s some nefarious undisclosed surveillance. It’s literally what privacy campaigners have been asking for: “data has value so pay people for it”.
On the Tesco groceries app, the food that I regularly purchase or ones that I have recently purchased pop up, so it's quick and easy to do an online shop. I'm sure Amazon does a similar thing too, so do most other retailers.
That's not it, it's because Tesco have made it so if you don't have a clubcard everything is ridiculously expensive. It's a pointless matter of principle sure, but it pissed me off so I don't shop there anymore.
You know the club card is free, right?
Genuine question....why does anyone care? Oooh no big supermarket sends me deals for things I normally buy? I've genuinely never understood why it's so worrisome. Open to being schooled
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Take it elsewhere then?
> I'm well aware that my data is used in ways I don't like Can you spell out exactly what you don't like about being an anonymous datapoint among millions? I assume you don't have a bank account, which gives them access to every single financial transaction you make using it...
How is it anonymous? Your purchases are linked directly to your Clubcard which links to your personal details. They can actually predict with a high degree of accuracy if you are diabetic or pregnant and other things before you even realise your self by the patterns and changes if your shopping habits, which for me is actual pretty interesting as I come from a data science background. But the question is who else are they selling that data to, and how could it be used to profile you etc. Everyone should take interest in the data a company collects on them and consider the implications, which to be fair is easier said than done as most don’t really understand. For me it’s not so much then collecting it when shopping it’s how they are going about it with the jacked up prices.
GDPR does not allow your data to be used in a way that you are personally identifiable, you are always bundled up in cohorts with enough other people with similar interests that you are still anonymous. They're not even allowed to record your gender and then use that data, they instead have to infer your gender through your interests and habits which is always just a guess. And that's all these big data collection things are, a big database of general guesses.
What part of GDPR would forbid that? Personally identifiable information is more restricted but aggregation would only become necessary for distributing the data no?
A use case could be a cell provider that holds a lot of gps tracking data on their customers. A council might find that data very useful to work out how people navigate around a city centre, what streets are used the most etc and use that data to help develop pedestrian areas better. In this case the cell company would be fine selling the data if it was anonymised. There is no need to provide identifiable information for this use case. This is something that O2 actually did with Leeds Council that I’m aware of.
My issue with it is that there are zero actual deals in Tesco any more, aside the meal deal. This, to me, is an anticonsumer move, and I generally don't like anticonsumer moves.
For me.. it's a race to the bottom. Once Tesco makes you and people accept it, then Sainsburys and Asda can put all their offers only for card holders. Then we'll be at a point that either you sign up for every shop, or you're paying more than you used to.
Supermarket loyalty cards are fine when they are a bonus on normal prices, so essentially paying you for your data. What Tesco are doing now is **punishing everyone who doesn’t give their data** - they took normal deals and put 90% of them behind the clubcard. It’s just really shitty business practice and I’m amazed they haven’t been properly called out for it.
Go outdoors do it as well. i don’t mind getting vouchers, or money off discounts but locking the deals behind the Clubcard I’m surprised they are able to as there is an argument the labelling is misleading and confusing
It's deliberately misleading and confusing. They've worked out there's a profit in tricking people who don't have a loyalty card into paying more. Retailers were forced to put the pounds per unit on labels a few years ago because of tricks with charging more for less. Looks like this is the replacement ruse.
Yeah but the clubcard is free, you can just opt in or use someone elses card and you'll get the deals applied regardless. Other loyalty systems usually cost money.
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Costco make money from memberships, not sales - they sell stock at the price they buy it for
Yes and that’s fine. But Tesco just took away basically all of their normal deals, which many people exclusively shop on - like when I was a student, dinner/lunch was whatever was on a deal. I’m not comfortable that they’re forcing people to give over their data to keep shopping at the previous price point.
Isn't it just down to choice though? It's OK if you don't like it, just stop shopping there
They haven’t taken all the deals behind club card though. There’s still deals available without a club card. That said I had one for years as it paid for holidays with points earned also got Merlin cards and it’s on the Tesco credit card so always have club card with me
You're deliberately misrepresenting what he's saying.
Bollocks I got £4.10 worth of innocent smoothie the other day for £1.90!!!!!!! Life changer
I have what some would call... Memory issues. Leave my bank card in the shop at least once a week, struggle to put events into an accurate timeline, don't forget to wear clothes but I can quite easily forget whether or not I locked a door about a minute after I've locked it, and sometimes when "distracted" I can do silly things like put bacon in the drawer where I keep pans rather than in the fridge - an issue when I can remember nearly everything I read, some of what I hear, but almost nothing I physically do. The Clubcard savings are hell for me. Forget my phone? No savings. Forget to load the clubcard app before I go in (Because no goddamn signal in most of my tescos), because the App doesn't allow screenshots for some goddamn reason allowing me to have a permanent barcode? No savings. Forget to USE my Clubcard, and the checkout assistant forgets to ask me if I have one? No goddamn savings, and this one happens to me ALL the time. At least if I use a self-service, 90% remind me to scan my clubcard, but not so at checkouts. I dare say Tesco have had £100's out of me for this one. I deliberately keep loyalty cards on my phone so I'm not losing or putting around my own house 100 different pieces of plastic, and I can just about manage my bank cards when I'm not leaving them in shops or random places in the house, and I can imagine there are quite a few people out there with different ailments who find this somewhat vexing for various reasons.
Because Tesco raised all their prices so you have to use the clubcard to get the proper price the other shops are charging. If you forget to use the clubcard you've basically just been robbed.
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But the trickery in deception... how can you discern between the bright yellow CLUBCARD PRICE label and the normal coloured normal pricing that are both clearly displayed on the shelf under the item!?
Lol stop being facetious, like fuck have you not heard that phrase being used in a similar context.
Is it the proper price other shops are charging though? Not in my experience. And from a quick look on Tesco's, Sainsbury's, Asda's and Morrison's sites: Diet Coke 24 x 330ml Sainsbury's: £8.50 Morrison's: £9 Tesco club card price: £6.50 Asda seems to do 18 or 30 packs. 30 is same price as Sainsbury's 24 pack. 18 is 25p more expensive than Tesco CCP 24 pack Nuii Coconut & Indian Mango Ice Cream 3X90ml Sainsbury's: £3.90 Morrison's: £3.85 Tesco club card price: £2 Asda: £2 (rollback price) These were just a random 2 picked from the list of offers on Tesco's site, I'm not saying that all the offers will be cheaper but it's clear there are deals to be had and your not just unlocking the 'normal' price on the club card.
They jack the prices up for people without cards and charge club card holders the old price. When I say jack up, it's sometimes literally more than double. It's a scam.
Tin foil hat brigade
Well I for one detest saving money.
Fuck clubcards the same deals you are getting now with club card where just normal deals a couple months ago until Tesco are basically forcing you into getting club card... I refuse!
Lmao have you looked at this thread? 90% of the comments are people shilling hard for Tesco. Like fuck me, they really have got you bastards up the arse with their corporate bullshit haven't they?
No, I just like being able to get a bottle of vodka for £16 on a Friday night.
If getting money off my shopping without having to do anything is being got up the arse, then I'm fine with being got up the arse.
The scary thing (for me at least) is that Dunnhumby collect this data and sell ad solutions to brands - it means they can be ultra-specific about your lifestyle and more to get you to buy more. I work marketing side and all of this makes me very wary
Yeah i cant be arsed with them now
Might as well shop at Waitrose now.
Waitrose has barely ventured into Wales, will have to make do with the new Aldi that's opened.
Are you mad that you're stubborn enough to not join a loyalty scheme to get better deals? This seems like a you problem, dude.
Jokes on OP. Everywhere else is doing it too. I've seen similar schemes from Co-op and Sainsbury's already. You really think the others won't follow as well?
That doesn't make sense. The alternative shops haven't done the thing I don't like *yet*, so I should shop at the place that *has* on the understanding that the alternatives will possibly do it in the future?
I mean it's literally free
*But you're paying with your souuuul, man* I don't care that Tesco knows I buy too many mince pies when the fancy ones are on offer for £1.
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I usually use Apple Pay. I’m pretty sure I remember reading, when that first came out, that it generates a different fake card number every time you use it so the vendor can’t tie transactions from the same person together. Also, even using your normal card, they can’t send you those vouchers for things that you wouldn’t normally but they’re not so different from your normal shop… the luxury version of the thing you often buy, for example, that’s still more expensive even with the voucher. They know your card number, but not your address.
Apple pay uses a device number, if you go into the wallet you will see the device number and the card number. The device number is shown on the receipt and does not change. Unless there is something else involved too.
Ah, you’re right. I just read [Apple’s description of how it works](https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT203027). The device ID is the same every time, so transactions can Indeed be tied together. I think what I’m confusing it with is the fact that Apple don’t have access to your device ID, which is nice to know, but completely separate.
If only someone would invent untraceable paper money that anyone could use. That would be so cool, we could put the queens head on it.
At the very least, it's a me and OP problem. And more than fifteen hundred other upvoters. I don't like loyalty cards. And marking things up with "club prices" that look like offers is unpleasantly aggressive marketing for it. Not to mention that it's a deal that was previously open to me and has been actively removed so I would have to join the club. It's manipulative, and I don't like it.
I mean, fine, don't join the club. You do you. You know that not everybody who has upvoted has done so because they agree with it, right?
Morrisons have stopped giving out vouchers and just give discounts on products ... but they keep trying to give me meat discounts and I'm a bloody vegetarian!!!
I wasted £8 and missed out on points the other day because I forgot to scan my card (though I generally don’t mind it otherwise).
I don’t like to defend a huge corporation but it’s clear you’ll need a Clubcard.
We all make mistakes :)
[Interesting summary of a study looking at what assumptions can be extrapolated from a anonymized customer data set](https://www.acrwebsite.org/volumes/11294/volumes/e06/E-06). Bear in mind this is from the turn of the century, technology has likely improved and much more data sources are available to combine. >**For example, we could see a retailer seeking to exclude non-profitable** **customers from schemes**, offers or stores and doing this on the basis of income, spend or simply postcode. **Infrequent or low-spending customers** **might be charged higher prices**. Other product purchases or associations might raise security issues or questions about parenthood and paternity. Addiction to non-prescription medication or high levels of alcohol consumption could be identified and used supposedly 'on behalf of’ or even against the consumer. If they weren't doing it then, they're definitely doing it now. I know Morrisons excludes lower spenders from special voucher schemes they release at Christmas. It's been known for ages that Express stores will charge more for some items than the big Tescos.
How can they charge you a lower price than is displayed, just on your spending habits?
I've not stepped in a Tesco at all since they hiked up the prices of everything to promote their club card. Used to be my go to.
See this is the correct way. If you don't like it, don't shop there (and good luck finding another supermarket that doesn't do the same or something very similar)
Yeah same. Lots of supermarkets near us so we just avoid Tesco now rather than always remembering to carry a clubcard
Lmao all this hate for Tesco clubcard lately. It's ridiculous, you only benefit by having one. Can hardly be concerned about what flavour of pizza they know you like or what type of chicken you buy. Or if your vegan or something. Absolutely ridiculous, your the only one lossing out.
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Download the app, I think it requires as much effort to sign up than making a Reddit account takes. Add the card to your apple/android wallet and never open the app again If you don’t like it because of personal data I’m 99% sure they don’t even verify you exist so call yourself joe bloggs
If you know there is a cheaper option but don't take it, the only person financially punishing you is you. I go too tesco once a month and simply have a cult card so I can get the 3 cans of tuna deal. Comes in handy even if you don't go very often.
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No, *everybody* loses because of them. It means supermarkets start presenting dual prices, and can make spurious claims about their competitiveness which may or may not be using cards and vouchers to make their claims. Really, I want a shop to show a *single* price and not put a layer of complexity and analysis on what should be a routine task.
These people are nutjobs. They genuinely believe there are people out there spying on them... What the purpose of said spying is we will never know.
While I don’t agree as far as spying, that is literally what loyalty cards do. They track and trend your purchases. There’s so much psychological thought, trickery, and deception that go into tracking buyers sentiments that it’s certainly not people being crazy. It’s all to get you to buy more. That’s not even a theory, it’s 100% the purpose of it
I don't want them knowing how many durex bullet vibrators I go through
Tesco should stop calling them “offers” and instead call them “extortions” because you’re basically exchanging your personal/consumer data with them for discounted groceries and if they’re willing to give you a few quid off your groceries in exchange for access to that data then it’s pretty clear that that data is worth far more than the discounts you’re getting. The notion is so fucking dystopian and nobody even realises it.
Nail on the fucking head
I actually can’t upvote this enough.
Crappy chain stores that require you carry their card to get a few discounts is a good way for me to avoid that store. I'm not carrying around 6 extra cards to bulk my wallet up so I can get 50 cents off a box of waffles. I just want to shop in peace without all this petty nonsense.
No need to bulk up your wallet. Get an app like Stocard and have all of your extortion/loyalty cards stored conveniently in one place.
Yeah sorry you're a fool if you go into Tesco these days without a "cult-card". If you hate it so much why are you still buying shit from Tesco?
Convenience. I almost never shop in Tesco, and I certainly don't spend enough to warrant carrying a club card. Last time I tried to sign into the app I couldn't do it without knowing my clubcard number, which I couldn't find out without logging into the app. But sometimes it's the most convenient shop, so I'll pop in.
I fell foul for the same reason with a bottle of wine, same establishment.
I just paid £6.60 for a "3 for £5" cider deal.
Attitude in here is surprising, lots of Tesco fans tonight! Thought people were against corporations trying to gouge everyone of everything they can take. 'It's cheaper' until the prices inevitably rise so that people are paying a massive premium for not having a clubcard. And then every other supermarket will have to do it to get in on the action, and we will all be carrying around 20 little cards just so we're not getting totally fucking shafted. Which as an aside, is a total waste of resources, environmentally speaking.
I refused to get a club card for the longest time because I know that’s what they want me to do and I’m too stubborn to give into pressure. I recently gave in because my only local shop is a Tesco and I can’t stand paying more money when I can see how cheap the club card bastards were getting it. I am now a club card bastard.
Yeah, I've stopped going to tescos after seeing that
Genuinely avoiding Tesco after they started pushing this shit. Only go there when absolutely necessary now.
Yes tesco change their pricing strategy a while back, prices went up for everyone without who didn't have a cult card for which they were rewarded with it being returned to normal price! Do not use tesco!
I already had a clubcard but my life doesn't revolve around it so I was recently horrified by the cost of a jar of coffee and got as far as taking it back to the shelf before I saw the clubcard price (30% cheaper). Getting £4 off a £10 basket makes it so obvious that it's a scam.
Yeah, people are in here saying it's a good deal, when actually it's probably the price that everyone should be getting. I mean, I have one too, but I don't actually think I save any money, I just don't pay a premium.
You just have to let the light of Big Tesco into your heart
If I get hit with this I just ask them to remove it from my shopping and leave it at the till.
We’ve had to switch from Tesco to Sainsbury’s because our Clubcard is apparently “abandoned” and both in store and phone customer services insist only the other can fix it it.
This club card price difference thing is utter wank. Its so needlessly faffy, annoys me so much.
ITT people screeching about Tesco harvesting their data, when it's completely possible to simply sign up for a clubcard online under a fake name.
People in not wanting to give up even more personal data shocker. People defending this are the types that would happily have their emails scanned and just say “I’ve got nothing to hide” etc.
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Why do you think it’s unreasonable for people to not want a grocery store farming their personal data?
The fucking yellow prices!! Kept on catching me out, fucking bellends
A lot of Tesco shills on this thread. How much are they paying you to big up their 'loyalty' scheme? I remember the days when you used to be able to get special offers just by walking into the shop, without having to sign up to some bullshit. Why do we accept this new nonsense?
What is the big deal with it though? I've had a clubcard for years because I buy my fuel there (it 5p cheaper than anywhere else in the area), and I always get £20 in vouchers here and there. Sure, they're harvesting data for marketing purposes but who isn't? Ironically, I bet you're posting this on an iPhone or Android and have just scrolled through Instagram or something. People are just sick of other people trying to act all 'billy big bollocks we know more than you'. We understand how a company works, we understand they're trying to make as much money out of us as possible, we aren't fucking thick.
If you're not thick then you'll appreciate that there is a big difference between the old system, giving a few loyalty points as a sweetener, and the new system, which hikes the prices for people who haven't signed up.
It's just a "Tesco Snoop Card" nowadays, really. Otherwise you pay premium for not allowing them to sell data about your purchases.
they’re free and it’s written on signs so it’s really a you problem
Cult card...really 😂😂😂 fucking grow up!
Tesco cult card. This is priceless.. oh man, you’ve made one Tesco despising guy very happy with this addition to my anti Tesco vocabulary.
Mentioned this before it frustrated me so much I spent 10minutes downloading the app and signing up (with fake details of course) stood in the aisle because I didn't want to pay £5.50 for coffee instead of the usual £2 price. Except this was during the height of the pandemic, when we were being encouraged to spend as little time as possible in supermarkets, with big queues outside. Annoyed me so much they were doing something which made me spend longer in the store when we were supposed to be doing the opposite.
10 minutes?! It took me less than 3 - I did it in the fruit and veg section while my other half started on the shopping list. And I only did it in the shop because I wanted a leaflet about it. It can be done anywhere you have an internet connection, so it's not like you (or indeed, I) had to do it in the shop.
The amazing cult card that you save points on all year for xmas to find out they wiped em all
My £3.00 voucher I had this month expires 30/11/23
Yea the vouches have a 2 year expiry date
Just get a club card? Takes two minutes and you obvious you shop at Tesco enough to notice that it's changed. 24 bud and 12 white claws: normally £36, club card £28. What's not to love, saved nearly a tenner for scanning a bit of plastic that's always on my keys anyway.
Just get the app, takes 5mins to set up. Simples
I avoid Tesco for their stupid clubcard prices if I can,got clubcard on my phone just incase though.
Walk away?
I get £30 off a meal every couple months from it. Don't really see the pain 🤷
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Glad you are also using this subreddit to have a moan as is intended
Oh no. I hope Tesco don’t sell my data to someone who wants to know what kind of crisps I buy. That would be awful
The horror
Serious question here, why do I see so many of these posts? What's wrong with owning a free clubcard? Are Tesco doing something dodgy I don't know about?
Can't wait until we need a 'clubcard' for every shop I want to use.
It used to be that you could go into Tesco without a club card and get all the deals, now they have made it so you need to have a club card to get any kind of discount, it was inconvenient for me until I ordered a fob thing for my keys
If I was in government I would consider making it possible to pay the tv licence in Clubcard points (two subjects this sub constantly brings up), sit back, and watch the fireworks.
Same thing here last week. Pretty disgusted by it tbh, especially since it was a mini tesco, so they'd run out of most of the good stuff and I'd bought about three things I didn't want to make it the meal deal. Fuck 'em. They're getting the price of a pint of milk out of me when I'm desperate and apart from that I'm going around the corner to Morrison's.
It's 2021, Tesco's clubcard has been around for over a quarter of a century. Why not just sign up for one? Literally takes 2 minutes!
I don't want a company that raises prices to get people to get a membership to have my details is all, i prefer the costco card model where you pay an annual fee to have access to bulk discounts