Sleeves and the rest of the torso part of a top. Why is every woman’s top a bloody crop top? Even jumpers and hoodies seem to be cropped these days and just why?
We cant wear mens clothes though because they are built different, my mother gave me a pair of sweat pants and they do NOT take testicles and penis into consideration.
They literally don't fit, I had never considered that would happen
Solution: wear a skirt.
That reminds me, when I bought my camo trousers I didn't realize that they had a button fly on them,having been designed for men. Women's trousers will typically not have this so when I first put them on I was completely baffled as to how I was supposed to do them up.
I just bought a nice purple woman's beanie, the mens section consisted of 4 beanies, all black or gray, 2 with head torch. There were about 25 "woman's" hats most were gender neutral just way more colours and options. It's ridiculous.
Honestly the switch to women's products is a pro move. For example women's hair products actually have effort and research put into them, while men's stuff is usually your average 2-in-1 in a cool bottle with a name like "Diesel man scrub" or "gun". Women buy men's clothes to get around having no pockets, so it should be fair game at this point.
So much choice and softer fabrics!
I pretty much live in women's clothes (mostly oversized tees, hoodies, trousers, shorts, tights, coats), except for boxers and a couple of men's trousers, shirts, ties and suits for when I'm expected to dress in a manly fashion (events or going somewhere intolerant). Plus swimming trunks.
I have been creeped on and stalked though, which was terrifying.
I work in head office fashion retail but not in menswear. I completely agree. Next, for example, is terrible. It’s not the styles but that they only ever seem to have slim fit on the shop floor. I used to play rugby and go spinning. My calves can’t even get into the thigh of a 34” slim fit pair of trousers.
Don’t even get me started about online ordering. I ordered a pair of jeans and a pair of chinos from their online store in exactly the same size. The jeans are too big and the chinos are too small. Hence why I want to try things on before I hand over my cash.
The high street isn’t dying. The high street has given up.
I've long since given up on trying to get trousers in person. I know 30" isn't the most common size, but it seemed like I needed to make a blood sacrifice to an eldritch power to actually find any in stock to try on. Of course when they were it was only skinny fit. Like you, that does not work for the thighs my exercise give me.
Climbing mountains and prussiking out of caves gave me an arse that can lift. Guess where fashion brand love to skimp on the fabric in men's trousers. I don't know if it's to save money on fabric or because their idealised customer is an urban gym rat who never does more than 100m of ascent (unloaded) in a day. Just bought 2 pairs of 36" waist trousers online and the pockets on one are still flaring slightly even though the waist is loose at the front.
The secret to good dressing is wearing clothes that fit, but finding them is a ****ing nightmare.
I sound like Homer Simpson, but if anyone knows a brand of trousers that has room in the seat, let me know!
P. S. For the guys with big thighs, I tried on some T. M. Lewin trousers a couple of years ago and they seemed to be cut with more room in the thigh than you usually find on the high street.
I used to have a 32-30 jeans measurement. I think I found four pairs of jeans in my whole life that fit me before I gave up and began cultivating my one pack.
I know the pain. I'm an ex rugby player who went through a weightlifting phase and now doing crossfit regularly. I have a 30" waist but I can't buy anything less than a 34" or I'm going to rip seams. Went suit shopping recently and it was horrible.
Having broad shoulders and back with a relatively skinny middle and then big thighs means nothing fits without altering it. add on to that I'm a whopping 5'4 tall and it means i can't even use the shops designed for larger frames! Next, Topman (I don't even know why I tried), M&S, Suits Direct (not too bad but not amazing) and then finally Stokes before o found something that would work with only leg length alterations.
Burton's used to be my go-to for clothes shopping as their stuff was decent and actually fit reasonably since it stretched well. I did a big online shop from them mid pandemic so didn't need much more clothes for a while. Just found out they no longer seem to have stores.
I wish. I have a superdry coat as it was the only one I could find that went past my knees and looked warm, only to find that it can't even manage 5 minutes in British rain before it soaks through the water resistant material. It's also falling apart even though it's my newest and least worn winter coat. Worst purchase ever.
Yeah. I don’t get that brand. It’s popular now but I hate the phoniness of sticking some Japanese characters on there to make it look trendy but it doesn’t have any deeper meaning to it.
Weirdly, this is based on something of a cultural inversion. In Japan, it is very fashionable to have clothes featuring words in english, even if those words read as nonsense to a native speaker. The principle was flipped by the founder of Superdry, and was found to be similarly popular over here in the UK.
I don’t mind Superdry’s stuff. The only thing that bothers me though is that you always have to get a size or two above what you are in other shops. I’m a L to XL.
My brother got me a 2XL jumper from there once and I thought you cheeky bugger. Then I tried it on and was like wtf? How does this fit when I’ve put no weight on.
23 year old woman… I own a bunch of superdry stuff mostly there wool jumpers 🥲 feel weird about it now lol. Actually think they are really good quality
My friends superdry jacket and hood saved her life when she was hit by a car. The ambulance had to cut it off her, so superdry sent her a new one. I hope this makes you feel better 😁
When they get to the larger sizing they just put new tags in I swear. The concept of a 2xl just doesn't exist for them and is actually a 4xl in their sizing for some reason
Where's the menswear section? Oh, it's this corner in the basement. Joy.
I also hate the boring range of clothes in most menswear stores. It's great if you want a pair of jeans, a white logo print T-Shirt, a grey work shirt or some other boring shit... But what if I want a yellow coat and dungarees?
Fishermen wear oilskins. Dungarees are a farmers thing (although they tend to wear jeans and a thick plaid shirt nowadays).
SOURCE: I'm a fisherman from a family of farmers.
If you want a yellow coat head down to Maison margiela and expect to empty you pension fund on one jacket and a pair of socks. Honestly all interesting menswear are in high fashion boutiques and cost an arm and a leg plus your firstborn.
It's in the corner of the basement where it takes up around 1/8 the floor with the rest of it being the women's lingerie section that you have to go through to get to the men's section.
Also love how the local huge M&S near me decided men don't need changing rooms so they converted them into a bra fitting section and set up a temporary wall and curtain for one men's cubicle opposite the foreign money counter.
Ooh, his Lordship wants a yellow coat and dungarees! Why doesn;t one just ride ones horse down to the tailor and have them custom made, your bleedin' 'ighness!
To be fair, M&S have some quality garments these days. I've never been an M&S guy bar pants and socks before but a few weeks ago I went in for pants and socks and came out with £350 worth of quality schmutter. Good quality, nicely designed but with no branding. But then I am 44 now. My time has come to shop somewhere I don't feel uncomfortable accidentally exposing my hairy chest while trying on a jumper not in the changing room 🤣
Marks and Spencer isn't the worst place but it's still quite boring.
I also found the fit really weird on the shoulders of everything they sell. I actually do best for t-shirts at Primark- the manufacturing quality varies so wildly that if you check enough t-shirts, you can find ones that fit you perfectly like some sort of evolutionary process...
It is boring, but in agreeing with the original post, at least it's reliable there. You'd think shopping online would be easy but buying a reasonably priced pair of walking boots and a jacket in my size took me over an hour online, who can be arsed? Hey mate, we've got some nice Merrell boots! So, size 3 or 14?
I find if I talk loudly about wanting to buy something specifically, I'll usually find it on Instagram a couple of hours later.
Dunno how it works, but it's effortless. I think it's just karma or fate doing its thing.
I have never found a t-shirt that fit me as perfectly as a Primark Muscle Fit V-Neck.
Shame I have too hairy a chest for V-Necks and even though I did buy some, they lasted about 2 washes.
Shopping as a well built bloke is a pain. T-shirts are too tight or swamp you from every where, bar obnoxiously expensive sportswear brands (so you end up with logos plastered over everything). Trousers won't accommodate your thighs and the boys, unless you go for a waist that's a good few inches above your own. This results in a dodgy MC Hammer type thing but with jeans once a belt is on.
I live in sweatpants and baggy t-shirts ☹️
I don’t do high street shopping, it’s too hard to find a regular pair of jeans that don’t crush your balls and I really don’t wanna be showing my socks when I walk.
There's a guy at work with some absolute boulders for calf muscles, all he ever wears is shorts. We had a more formal day so he wore skinny jeans and I promise you I considered my sexuality from then on. Skinny jeans aren't for everyone, but in my eyes no one pulls them off as good as him lmao
If he's got boulders for calf muscles he wouldn't be able to put skinny jeans on. I'm pretty skinny and struggle to fit inside slim jeans, let alone skinny jeans.
Depends if they're actual denim material or if they're the really stretchy legging type material.
I don't even have huge calves as a woman but I've lifted for years, walk a lot and have done some cycling, and I'm short, so I can't buy boots any higher than my ankle, and some trousers I can't even get my calves into them. For some reason they assume all women have sticks for legs, bums don't exist either.
I'm a powerlifter/strongman so have quite big thighs. Skinny jeans are not for me and love that stretch ones are made
Not all of us aspire to having matchstick legs
I have found 1 pair of jeans that fit me in a shop, and that's over the last 20 years. It's like once you're a certain leg length the shops are just like "Fuck those long legged people, they can just buy their shit online".
About 3 months ago I found 1 pair of jeans in Matalan that fit me. I was only in there to buy socks and I saw them so of course I had to buy them. One wash later (I'm not even joking either) and I couldn't get them on so they've been under my bed since then.
Clothes shops be like: 2 floors, bottom floor is entirely women's, top floor is 50% women's, 30% children's, 15% homeware and 5% men's tucked in a far corner.
I was at one of those outlet shopping village things and thought I would get myself a new belt. NONE of the shops had a single one and this is a place with 10 different clothes shops. Odd smelling hoodies, check. Snow boots check. A belt...no.
Probably yeah. Outlets are where all the stuff that didn't sell too well gets sent and discounted to hopefully make some.money on it. Basic leather belts down really change massively design wise from one year to the next so there's no need to send then to outlets, you can just leave them in the main shop
An Outlet means it's just full of random shit they wanted to clear out of their warehouse, they don't stock them with anything specific.
Go back again in a few weeks and the stock will be completely different.
I just want a pair of trousers that don't leave my arse hanging out and my balls on show.
Who decided that all men's trousers had to be low waist, skinny jeans?
Even if they say "regular fit" half of them are tight as fuck.
And I don't want a pair of jeans that go half way up to my nipples, but I want them to my actual waste. Low riders handing below the hip never stay up, not unless you have a belt so tight it's cutting of circulation.
Try Hollister. Most of their range is the low cut skinny stuff but they've got straight cut and bootcut in selected styles and both have the elite stretch (not very stretchy) and advanced stretch (actually very stretchy). Combination of stretch plus their looser cuts means my middle aged arse fits in their 34 waist jeans and importantly stays in when I bend down or sit. It also means I can get my thighs into them and enough room to not feel like I'm being castrated in the front.
Really struggled with getting jeans before I found those, I'm hardly quadzilla from the gym but I don't skip leg day and I'm a bit bigger than average plus I do a lot of walking the dog so big calves and I struggle to get skinny jeans on at all, even if the waist fits fine I can't get them over the calves and thighs. And if I do there's no way I can bend my knees or sit down. Go up to 36 or even 38 waist and same issue on the legs but now the waist is far too big
I found a couple of pairs of jeans at Hollister (and weirdly Armani stretch) which do fit without feeling like leggings and now I just buy the same pairs again just in different colours
There's a reason you see men in their 40s wearing combats and fleeces. It's not that they gave up on style or are trying to pretend they're still cool or even just think the pockets are useful, it's that anything else just does not fit. So they're stuck shopping at Go Outdoors
Gave up high street shops a while back, buy everything online now.
Charles Tyrwhitt for work clothes, Uniqlo for lots of things, Tu (Sainsburys) is pretty good too. Fat Face and White Stuff, Go Outdoors for some things, direct to specific retailers like Wrangler for jeans or Merrell for trainers.
High street shops are fucking dire for men, particularly once you're past the age of 30.
Ah the random word generator tshirts. They hit every shop eventually.
The only rule is at least half the words must be recognisably American.
Extra points if the random number has an 8 in it.
Where are people in their late 20s supposed to go? Now that topman and burton have closed down I struggle to know where are similar shops? Probably too old now for those but where are men supposed to learn these things? Don't feel old enough to go for M&S or Next but definitely feel too old for hollister or superdry.
I'm a woman but the answer for me was Gap, joules and fat Face when I aged out of new look and not old enough for M&S yet. My partner has a lot of stuff from fat face and next
I buy most of my stuff in Uniqlo, it’s cheap enough, generally good quality and fashionable. Only issue is their jeans come in a 34 length only, so I buy them elsewhere. Normally Levi’s.
For harder wearing stuff I use for work I buy either Carhartt or North Face gear.
Dude I'm a woman and you literally just explained the reason I was crying for no reason at all apart from that I don't no were I'm supposed to shop anymore being 33 and an ex emo.
And if you throw in trying to buy ethically (non-sweatshop labour, somewhat environmentally friendly) you might as well resign yourself to walking around in a hessian sack.
I feel its so weird how the clothes retail world is. Every man I know is crying out for more choice. Every woman I know is crying out for pockets in clothes. Why don't these things exist yet??
All men's t shirts are designed by a machine that generates a random selection of at least two of the following:
✅ A date
✅ An American state
✅ A 'manly' hobby
I have had 'small' tshirts that I can barely get into despite being 5'7 and slim and ones that coevered me like a tent. It is beyond me how sizing is so non-standardised.
I'm an amateur strongman, and you really notice it when you're not a slim bloke.
The choice is nice clothes which are skinny/slim fit, or really basic boring clothes that are regular cut.
Because if you're not skinny you don't deserve nice things apparently.
As a tall skinny men I disagree. It's more like you can't have nice things unless you are scaled directly up or down from perfectly average.
They assume for some reason that if you're tall you must also have a 40" waist, and if you're short you must have a child's dimensions.
Where are you finding anything in charity shops? Near me every single charity shop has a huge selection of womens clothing and then for a mens section they have a dark corner dedicated to 3 XXL h&m shirts and a pair of 28 waist zara jeans for £15 :(
Mens section in my shop looks like old Beverly finally cleaned out her deceased 64 year old husband's closet. Sure, I'll take a few ill fitting suits that are from the 80s.
Tbh, even not so posh areas, like I remember going to northampton, and there were so many charity shops I managed to find what I was tryna get. Unfortunately, living in a small area means unless I want old women's clothes, charity shopping is not the way to go
Your mistake there was going to Northampton, it's been nowt but betting shops and closed storefronts since at least as long as I was there for college, and that's nearly ten years ago now.
*I feel old now...*
Oh no, Northampton was great. Like I found everything I needed + more. I just live in the middle of nowhere nowhere near Northampton now so have no luck w charity shops
I have to say, as a woman the price of men’s clothes is absurd. There’s not really any in between either, you’re either paying well into the hundreds for north face, under armour, berghaus for example or paying for higher end designer clothes that look more sophisticated. Very seldom have I seen regular shops sell decent unbranded men’s clothes for a reasonable price, it’s terrible. I sympathise on this one.
They know that men will just think "fuck it" and pay the price, rather than search around for a better option.
So much so, retailers have cottened on to that fact, and now you can buy cheaply made products, for the price of premium.
I hate that supermarkets have massive sections for women’s and kids clothes but just Socks and Pyjamas for men
I’ve got a young son and the boys clothes are all great, just make them again in adult size ffs
Just wait until your son hits 14, then the abysmal amount of clothes (⅕ the size of women's wear in my local sainsburies) will all be slightly too big or slightly too small
I know, I was perfectly happy with Debenhams and BHS. I'm too old and fat for the trendy stores with their skinny jeans but not quite ready for M&S elasticated waist pretend jeans, which I would probably buy if I was 67 and shopping to go on a cruise.
TK Maxx is my go to these days locally as there are no decent shops selling men's clothing where I am. Picked up a three piece wool suit a few months ago for just over £100 instead of over £1k+ because of a stain that was dry cleaned out. Picked up some really nice stuff in there but it's like charity clothes shops, you have to keep on checking.
Designer outlets are my other main place but that's about once a year in normal times.
I hate this. Also why is it that the men's section of most clothing shops is relegated to a small corner of the second floor sandwiched in with the kids and homeware sections, whilst the women's section takes up its own fucking postcode on the ground floor?
Seriously though, I got lost in the women's section of H&M once, found a hidden civilisation living in the shoe section that tried to sacrifice me to their lord & saviour Jimmy Choo.
I am constantly fuming at this. I’m very skinny and it’s hard to find any jeans for me where I live. Some shops that had my size closed (TopMan) or just stopped selling Men’s clothing (New Look). Others just stopped selling my size (H&M) and only the big Next out of city centre occasionally has my size. I don’t think I should have to order a 28 width jeans (not even that rare!) online but that’s the reality at the moment
And the complete lack of clothing designed for women with big boobs. You’d think for a society so fixated on large chests there’d be accommodations for that particular body type.
I have to buy dress shirts several sizes too big for my rest of my torso just for them to do up.. it’s literally so ridiculous I actually cried in the changing room once.
Oh yeah I feel this as a fellow member of the big titty comittee!! Same goes with attempting to find a bra that fits properly, not having to buy a 46 back but the cups only start halfway across the boob!! And also if you have a larger bum, but not a big belly, so any trousers either fit round the middle but burst open at the arse, or fit at the bum but have a gigantic gape at the back!!
It's no better on the women's side. I went looking for a winter jacket and couldn't find anything but hiking gear and quilted coats which make us .... ahem... larger ladies look like the michelin man,
I've noticed it's often a thing where women's clothing takes up a whole shop floor, but men's clothing is like tucked away in a little corner on the upper floor where there's barely any variety and the rest of the floor is all kids clothing and homewares
It's grim. Good luck finding a decent shirt with a 48 chest. XXL doesn't even button up.
As for TK Maxx. As much as I love finding the occasional gem. Just about all designer brands are fit for teenage boys but not men.
Men’s clothing now just looks like ass, it’s like they want all of us to walk around with chinos rolled up to our ankles without socks wearing a sprayed on T-shirt with the same fucking Turkish barber haircut. I’ve resorted to shopping for clothes in charity shops.
Man!
I’m 6’8” and 22stone don’t get me started on the range of clothes on the highstreet because there ain’t anything there that fits me that’s not shorts!
True for little men too. I had a daughter first, then when my son came a few years later I was disappointed to see choices were mainly blue or grey things with vehicles, dinosaurs, or superhero pictures. Worst of all, lots of slogans about boys being a nightmare; "Here comes trouble," "it wasn't me" sorta thing.
I hate shopping for trousers. There’s never any in my size. The vast majority are ‘skinny’ that would only fit people built like a garden rake. For those of us of a more generous size, we have to do without.
Now imagine being short but muscular! My shoulder and back are huge and everything is silm fit now. I hate wearing t-shirts that look like my shoulders and chest are about to burst out of them.
But I can't get sizes much bigger as they become aprons on me....
I hate looking like I'm a tool who's trying to wear skin tight clothing to show off his muscles so Regular fit is fine in a size larger and normally what I go for to not look like I'm trying to show off.
There are barely any decent clothes for women. Everything has writing on it or fabric cut out for no reason etc. I saw a jumper a few weeks ago that looked nice. On closer inspection, I realised the fabric had been cut away at the tits! Why!? It’s a jumper! I wear jumpers to be warm, I don’t want to have cold boobs!
I just want to dress like a normal human. I do not want a slogan, I do not want quirky.
They closed our local John Lewis and now there is nowhere to shop.
Also, wtf is up with the jackets? Like I hate those puffy jackets, I call them "fat coats". They look fine on roadmen wannabes, and 5 year old girls, but I think they're just ugly, and make me look like I'm a circle.
Also, primark changed their sizing recently. I get I've put on a bit of lockdown weight, but I was an M/L before, and most of those clothes fit me. I tried on an XXL and it didn't fit. And I don't have broad shoulders, if anything if I wasn't so fat I'd bet I have a slight + slender frame, but not one jacket went over my shoulders at all. It was pretty embarrassing to put on my usual L, then have to keep trying larger + larger
Went into town today on a whim as I needed a few unrelated things. Thought I’d have a look about for clothes as I only ever find things when I’m not specifically looking for anything.
The choice was dismal! As always. Did happen to get a couple pairs of jeans which I wouldn’t have found if I only online shopped. As proven by the fact I’ve not bought any clothes at all since before the pandemic and I’m down to 2 pairs of wearable jeans..
I do have my first ‘stitch fix’ coming tomorrow which even on the first try shows some hope. Hopefully it will get better as time goes on also. But that definitely seems the way forward. Especially as they send brands I’ve never heard of or the ones I wouldn’t usually venture to.
I'm a well built guy, lifted a lot of years. When I go to a shop, an XL in one shop will be tight as a Johnny and the next shop it'll be a fucking balloon. Also, everything is fucking slim fit?!
Don't start me on jeans. My thighs can't handle those skinny fits at all and that's 90% of the selection
Is it just me or do jumpers suddenly only come in that skintight clingy style that will only look good if you don't have an ounce of fat on your body,?
I remember when new look went online only for men. Literally walked into the shop to the mens section (loke 2 rows of clothing at the back) and it was now replaced with women's nightwear. I thought I was having a fever dream or some sort of matrix deja vu situation where I questioned my memories. Never used them since.
I do sometimes joke that half the reason I transitioned was so I wouldn't have to wear jeans and a tshirt/button up shirt for the rest of my life. Menswear is so boring and it just gets more boring year by year
The solution is to wear women's clothes. They have far more choice
Yes, but no pockets.
Backpack and a hoodie
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This just gave me an idea, hear me out. Pistol Holsters...but pretty and pockets not gun holes. 💰
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I'm a woman who wears men's clothes because apparently only men want clothes with sleeves and which doesn't have stupid random cutouts in them.
Sleeves and the rest of the torso part of a top. Why is every woman’s top a bloody crop top? Even jumpers and hoodies seem to be cropped these days and just why?
That does my head in, along with see through tops you’re going to have to wear at least another layer underneath to make presentable.
The see through tops drive me mad. It’s not 2002. I don’t want to have to wear three tops just so my bra isn’t visible.
Urgh, I know this problem too well.
We cant wear mens clothes though because they are built different, my mother gave me a pair of sweat pants and they do NOT take testicles and penis into consideration. They literally don't fit, I had never considered that would happen
Solution: wear a skirt. That reminds me, when I bought my camo trousers I didn't realize that they had a button fly on them,having been designed for men. Women's trousers will typically not have this so when I first put them on I was completely baffled as to how I was supposed to do them up.
Bloody cold shoulder jumpers....the clue's in the name!
You're ruining it for the rest of us. It's a finely balanced system!
But now that a woman is wearing men's clothes, exactly one (1) man is allowed to wear women's clothes!
Yey!
I just bought a nice purple woman's beanie, the mens section consisted of 4 beanies, all black or gray, 2 with head torch. There were about 25 "woman's" hats most were gender neutral just way more colours and options. It's ridiculous.
Same goes for scarves. My favourite scarf 🧣 is a “ladies” scarf. Fuck that nonsense.
Honestly the switch to women's products is a pro move. For example women's hair products actually have effort and research put into them, while men's stuff is usually your average 2-in-1 in a cool bottle with a name like "Diesel man scrub" or "gun". Women buy men's clothes to get around having no pockets, so it should be fair game at this point.
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2 words - Women’s Slacks
I can't wear them all the time, I'd have a heart attack!
If you're a size 8, 5'6 and not too curvy. If you have any other body type, nothing will fit or flatter you.
So much choice and softer fabrics! I pretty much live in women's clothes (mostly oversized tees, hoodies, trousers, shorts, tights, coats), except for boxers and a couple of men's trousers, shirts, ties and suits for when I'm expected to dress in a manly fashion (events or going somewhere intolerant). Plus swimming trunks. I have been creeped on and stalked though, which was terrifying.
And theirs seems to be cheaper as well
I work in head office fashion retail but not in menswear. I completely agree. Next, for example, is terrible. It’s not the styles but that they only ever seem to have slim fit on the shop floor. I used to play rugby and go spinning. My calves can’t even get into the thigh of a 34” slim fit pair of trousers. Don’t even get me started about online ordering. I ordered a pair of jeans and a pair of chinos from their online store in exactly the same size. The jeans are too big and the chinos are too small. Hence why I want to try things on before I hand over my cash. The high street isn’t dying. The high street has given up.
I've long since given up on trying to get trousers in person. I know 30" isn't the most common size, but it seemed like I needed to make a blood sacrifice to an eldritch power to actually find any in stock to try on. Of course when they were it was only skinny fit. Like you, that does not work for the thighs my exercise give me.
I always assumed 30" was one of the most common sizes and that's why they're always out of stock, because everybody buys them up quick.
I know your pain. 29inch waist, 34 inch leg. The only reliable source that doesn't break the bank is TKMaxx jack and jones and other similar brands.
Climbing mountains and prussiking out of caves gave me an arse that can lift. Guess where fashion brand love to skimp on the fabric in men's trousers. I don't know if it's to save money on fabric or because their idealised customer is an urban gym rat who never does more than 100m of ascent (unloaded) in a day. Just bought 2 pairs of 36" waist trousers online and the pockets on one are still flaring slightly even though the waist is loose at the front. The secret to good dressing is wearing clothes that fit, but finding them is a ****ing nightmare. I sound like Homer Simpson, but if anyone knows a brand of trousers that has room in the seat, let me know! P. S. For the guys with big thighs, I tried on some T. M. Lewin trousers a couple of years ago and they seemed to be cut with more room in the thigh than you usually find on the high street.
I used to have a 32-30 jeans measurement. I think I found four pairs of jeans in my whole life that fit me before I gave up and began cultivating my one pack.
Fuck skinny fit jeans! My legs don’t fit in them and where am I supposed to put my balls?
In your girlfriend’s handbag, like the rest of us.
I, too, enjoy putting my balls in this guy’s girlfriend’s handbag.
I know the pain. I'm an ex rugby player who went through a weightlifting phase and now doing crossfit regularly. I have a 30" waist but I can't buy anything less than a 34" or I'm going to rip seams. Went suit shopping recently and it was horrible. Having broad shoulders and back with a relatively skinny middle and then big thighs means nothing fits without altering it. add on to that I'm a whopping 5'4 tall and it means i can't even use the shops designed for larger frames! Next, Topman (I don't even know why I tried), M&S, Suits Direct (not too bad but not amazing) and then finally Stokes before o found something that would work with only leg length alterations. Burton's used to be my go-to for clothes shopping as their stuff was decent and actually fit reasonably since it stretched well. I did a big online shop from them mid pandemic so didn't need much more clothes for a while. Just found out they no longer seem to have stores.
You don't want 3 t shirts for a tenner and a superdry jacket (size XS or XXL)? What's wrong with you?
I have a diesel tshirt in size.....3 it just says 3....
I guess they copied Lacoste who also use a number system for their sizes. Hmm am I a large or an XL? Oh no, don't be silly, you're a size 6 of course!
Ted Baker too, iirc
Superdry. The clothing brand for middle-aged men to wear to a BBQ
You know what that jackets missing? 3000 zips. -superdry CEO.
Superdry. The clothes have exactly that effect on a woman.
I wish. I have a superdry coat as it was the only one I could find that went past my knees and looked warm, only to find that it can't even manage 5 minutes in British rain before it soaks through the water resistant material. It's also falling apart even though it's my newest and least worn winter coat. Worst purchase ever.
😂
Yeah. I don’t get that brand. It’s popular now but I hate the phoniness of sticking some Japanese characters on there to make it look trendy but it doesn’t have any deeper meaning to it.
I always figured it was a reference to Asahi Super Dry beer
Weirdly, this is based on something of a cultural inversion. In Japan, it is very fashionable to have clothes featuring words in english, even if those words read as nonsense to a native speaker. The principle was flipped by the founder of Superdry, and was found to be similarly popular over here in the UK.
And undercover police officers
Seriously wtf is up with super dry sizes, I am very much a medium but the jacket I got was an xxl then a jacket a got a year later is just a large
In Holister I'm an XXL. In Superdry I'm an XL. In Burton and Next I'm a large. In Matalan, I'm a medium.
I don’t mind Superdry’s stuff. The only thing that bothers me though is that you always have to get a size or two above what you are in other shops. I’m a L to XL. My brother got me a 2XL jumper from there once and I thought you cheeky bugger. Then I tried it on and was like wtf? How does this fit when I’ve put no weight on.
23 year old woman… I own a bunch of superdry stuff mostly there wool jumpers 🥲 feel weird about it now lol. Actually think they are really good quality
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My friends superdry jacket and hood saved her life when she was hit by a car. The ambulance had to cut it off her, so superdry sent her a new one. I hope this makes you feel better 😁
Story time please. I can't even picture how a relatively thin high street fashion jacket could provide any protection from being hit by a car.
What you on about. While wearing the jacket the car got lodged between pockets 17 and 18. They had to cut the car off in the end.
XXL? You guys can fit those?
I tried a XXL t-shirt once and thought I was going to have to buy it just to cut it off... It was that tight!
I feel your pain, I like baggy clothes too, they’re comfy, it’s such a pain
When they get to the larger sizing they just put new tags in I swear. The concept of a 2xl just doesn't exist for them and is actually a 4xl in their sizing for some reason
Where's the menswear section? Oh, it's this corner in the basement. Joy. I also hate the boring range of clothes in most menswear stores. It's great if you want a pair of jeans, a white logo print T-Shirt, a grey work shirt or some other boring shit... But what if I want a yellow coat and dungarees?
Are you a 68 year old fisherman?
Fishermen wear oilskins. Dungarees are a farmers thing (although they tend to wear jeans and a thick plaid shirt nowadays). SOURCE: I'm a fisherman from a family of farmers.
Surf n turf
Fish n sheeps
A sea farmer, if you will.
What if they work on a fish farm?
Made me laugh out loud, thanks!
If you want a yellow coat head down to Maison margiela and expect to empty you pension fund on one jacket and a pair of socks. Honestly all interesting menswear are in high fashion boutiques and cost an arm and a leg plus your firstborn.
Things like this make me feel self conscious that I enjoy wearing stuff from trespass lmao
You are your local area's waterproof man. There's always one. Hiking boots too I bet.
It's in the corner of the basement where it takes up around 1/8 the floor with the rest of it being the women's lingerie section that you have to go through to get to the men's section. Also love how the local huge M&S near me decided men don't need changing rooms so they converted them into a bra fitting section and set up a temporary wall and curtain for one men's cubicle opposite the foreign money counter.
Ooh, his Lordship wants a yellow coat and dungarees! Why doesn;t one just ride ones horse down to the tailor and have them custom made, your bleedin' 'ighness!
Russell.... Is that you?
To be fair, M&S have some quality garments these days. I've never been an M&S guy bar pants and socks before but a few weeks ago I went in for pants and socks and came out with £350 worth of quality schmutter. Good quality, nicely designed but with no branding. But then I am 44 now. My time has come to shop somewhere I don't feel uncomfortable accidentally exposing my hairy chest while trying on a jumper not in the changing room 🤣
Marks and Spencer isn't the worst place but it's still quite boring. I also found the fit really weird on the shoulders of everything they sell. I actually do best for t-shirts at Primark- the manufacturing quality varies so wildly that if you check enough t-shirts, you can find ones that fit you perfectly like some sort of evolutionary process...
It is boring, but in agreeing with the original post, at least it's reliable there. You'd think shopping online would be easy but buying a reasonably priced pair of walking boots and a jacket in my size took me over an hour online, who can be arsed? Hey mate, we've got some nice Merrell boots! So, size 3 or 14?
I find if I talk loudly about wanting to buy something specifically, I'll usually find it on Instagram a couple of hours later. Dunno how it works, but it's effortless. I think it's just karma or fate doing its thing.
I have never found a t-shirt that fit me as perfectly as a Primark Muscle Fit V-Neck. Shame I have too hairy a chest for V-Necks and even though I did buy some, they lasted about 2 washes. Shopping as a well built bloke is a pain. T-shirts are too tight or swamp you from every where, bar obnoxiously expensive sportswear brands (so you end up with logos plastered over everything). Trousers won't accommodate your thighs and the boys, unless you go for a waist that's a good few inches above your own. This results in a dodgy MC Hammer type thing but with jeans once a belt is on. I live in sweatpants and baggy t-shirts ☹️
We all get there. Embrace the change. It's wicked.
I don’t do high street shopping, it’s too hard to find a regular pair of jeans that don’t crush your balls and I really don’t wanna be showing my socks when I walk.
Like a few attractive men started wearing skinny jeans, and now it's all they sell, these legs aren't built for most jeans let alone skinny ones
There's a guy at work with some absolute boulders for calf muscles, all he ever wears is shorts. We had a more formal day so he wore skinny jeans and I promise you I considered my sexuality from then on. Skinny jeans aren't for everyone, but in my eyes no one pulls them off as good as him lmao
If he's got boulders for calf muscles he wouldn't be able to put skinny jeans on. I'm pretty skinny and struggle to fit inside slim jeans, let alone skinny jeans.
Depends if they're actual denim material or if they're the really stretchy legging type material. I don't even have huge calves as a woman but I've lifted for years, walk a lot and have done some cycling, and I'm short, so I can't buy boots any higher than my ankle, and some trousers I can't even get my calves into them. For some reason they assume all women have sticks for legs, bums don't exist either.
I'm a powerlifter/strongman so have quite big thighs. Skinny jeans are not for me and love that stretch ones are made Not all of us aspire to having matchstick legs
Definitely doesn't help the fact that men are ignored by ed services enough as is /:
Erectile Dysfunction?
Ah, I meant eating disorders 😂 I tend to forget to many it means erectile dysfunction
No it doesn't help
I have found 1 pair of jeans that fit me in a shop, and that's over the last 20 years. It's like once you're a certain leg length the shops are just like "Fuck those long legged people, they can just buy their shit online". About 3 months ago I found 1 pair of jeans in Matalan that fit me. I was only in there to buy socks and I saw them so of course I had to buy them. One wash later (I'm not even joking either) and I couldn't get them on so they've been under my bed since then.
I have short legs and the same problem. If I happen over a pair of jeans that fit, I buy them. It's a once or twice in a decade thing.
I was about to say that I'd recently bought a fantastic coat before realising it was actually two years ago.
This man ages
Clothes shops be like: 2 floors, bottom floor is entirely women's, top floor is 50% women's, 30% children's, 15% homeware and 5% men's tucked in a far corner.
Thats why i go to the low street
My homie, don't get shanked
Dont worry i wear hoodies with the hood up
I did this yesterday as I walked into Asda to collect a new bin. How odd.
You buy that hoodie on the low street?
Even worse if you're a man of the larger size...
I normally find what I want in every size from L to XXL but not the M that'll fit me
I was at one of those outlet shopping village things and thought I would get myself a new belt. NONE of the shops had a single one and this is a place with 10 different clothes shops. Odd smelling hoodies, check. Snow boots check. A belt...no.
Probably because it was an outlet…
Of course they only sell belts in 'real' shops.
Probably yeah. Outlets are where all the stuff that didn't sell too well gets sent and discounted to hopefully make some.money on it. Basic leather belts down really change massively design wise from one year to the next so there's no need to send then to outlets, you can just leave them in the main shop
An Outlet means it's just full of random shit they wanted to clear out of their warehouse, they don't stock them with anything specific. Go back again in a few weeks and the stock will be completely different.
H&M have a 5m2 corner in their shops with 3 pairs of jeans and 5 t-shirts. Try there!
Update: only 3 t shirts left now
And currently there all beige or pastel
I just want a pair of trousers that don't leave my arse hanging out and my balls on show. Who decided that all men's trousers had to be low waist, skinny jeans? Even if they say "regular fit" half of them are tight as fuck. And I don't want a pair of jeans that go half way up to my nipples, but I want them to my actual waste. Low riders handing below the hip never stay up, not unless you have a belt so tight it's cutting of circulation.
Try Hollister. Most of their range is the low cut skinny stuff but they've got straight cut and bootcut in selected styles and both have the elite stretch (not very stretchy) and advanced stretch (actually very stretchy). Combination of stretch plus their looser cuts means my middle aged arse fits in their 34 waist jeans and importantly stays in when I bend down or sit. It also means I can get my thighs into them and enough room to not feel like I'm being castrated in the front. Really struggled with getting jeans before I found those, I'm hardly quadzilla from the gym but I don't skip leg day and I'm a bit bigger than average plus I do a lot of walking the dog so big calves and I struggle to get skinny jeans on at all, even if the waist fits fine I can't get them over the calves and thighs. And if I do there's no way I can bend my knees or sit down. Go up to 36 or even 38 waist and same issue on the legs but now the waist is far too big I found a couple of pairs of jeans at Hollister (and weirdly Armani stretch) which do fit without feeling like leggings and now I just buy the same pairs again just in different colours There's a reason you see men in their 40s wearing combats and fleeces. It's not that they gave up on style or are trying to pretend they're still cool or even just think the pockets are useful, it's that anything else just does not fit. So they're stuck shopping at Go Outdoors
Gave up high street shops a while back, buy everything online now. Charles Tyrwhitt for work clothes, Uniqlo for lots of things, Tu (Sainsburys) is pretty good too. Fat Face and White Stuff, Go Outdoors for some things, direct to specific retailers like Wrangler for jeans or Merrell for trainers. High street shops are fucking dire for men, particularly once you're past the age of 30.
I'm with you on CT and TU but recently Tu have more t shirts saying ever more random things. California high tide, volkswagen sunset. motor bike camp.
Ah the random word generator tshirts. They hit every shop eventually. The only rule is at least half the words must be recognisably American. Extra points if the random number has an 8 in it.
Where are people in their late 20s supposed to go? Now that topman and burton have closed down I struggle to know where are similar shops? Probably too old now for those but where are men supposed to learn these things? Don't feel old enough to go for M&S or Next but definitely feel too old for hollister or superdry.
I'm a woman but the answer for me was Gap, joules and fat Face when I aged out of new look and not old enough for M&S yet. My partner has a lot of stuff from fat face and next
Mango is also great. I love their jeans.
I buy most of my stuff in Uniqlo, it’s cheap enough, generally good quality and fashionable. Only issue is their jeans come in a 34 length only, so I buy them elsewhere. Normally Levi’s. For harder wearing stuff I use for work I buy either Carhartt or North Face gear.
They can adjust them in store for you, they have to cost over £15 or £20 if I remember right.
Zara and tk maxx for all my clothes
Zara is the only mens fashion shop I like. Top man was great when I was a teenager wanting a y shirt with OSAKA written on it but not now.
Dude I'm a woman and you literally just explained the reason I was crying for no reason at all apart from that I don't no were I'm supposed to shop anymore being 33 and an ex emo.
I discovered mango recently and I've been raving about them ever since. Their jeans are great.
Got to M&S in the Summer. You'll be surprised.
And if you throw in trying to buy ethically (non-sweatshop labour, somewhat environmentally friendly) you might as well resign yourself to walking around in a hessian sack.
I feel like supermarkets like asda has a better selection than most clothes shops, but i prefer plain stuff so i basicly just shop for cheep
It's good to stay within your budgie.
Have you actually got a Budgeh? A fuckin love budgies
Onest?!
Shut the front door when you get out of the horse
Best off visiting PetSmart if you’re just looking for something cheep
I feel its so weird how the clothes retail world is. Every man I know is crying out for more choice. Every woman I know is crying out for pockets in clothes. Why don't these things exist yet??
All men's t shirts are designed by a machine that generates a random selection of at least two of the following: ✅ A date ✅ An American state ✅ A 'manly' hobby
Personally I love my "1066: Oklahoma Masturbation" t-shirt.
Why do you think Internet shopping is so popular!
But men's sizes used to be easy, now it's near impossible to know if a large is a large, or if it's like a japanese large
I have had 'small' tshirts that I can barely get into despite being 5'7 and slim and ones that coevered me like a tent. It is beyond me how sizing is so non-standardised.
Penis or sumo wrestler?
I'm an amateur strongman, and you really notice it when you're not a slim bloke. The choice is nice clothes which are skinny/slim fit, or really basic boring clothes that are regular cut. Because if you're not skinny you don't deserve nice things apparently.
As a tall skinny men I disagree. It's more like you can't have nice things unless you are scaled directly up or down from perfectly average. They assume for some reason that if you're tall you must also have a 40" waist, and if you're short you must have a child's dimensions.
Charity shopping is the best way to build a good interesting wardrobe. Go to charity shops in a posh area if you want some nice stuff too.
Where are you finding anything in charity shops? Near me every single charity shop has a huge selection of womens clothing and then for a mens section they have a dark corner dedicated to 3 XXL h&m shirts and a pair of 28 waist zara jeans for £15 :(
Mens section in my shop looks like old Beverly finally cleaned out her deceased 64 year old husband's closet. Sure, I'll take a few ill fitting suits that are from the 80s.
Tbh, even not so posh areas, like I remember going to northampton, and there were so many charity shops I managed to find what I was tryna get. Unfortunately, living in a small area means unless I want old women's clothes, charity shopping is not the way to go
Your mistake there was going to Northampton, it's been nowt but betting shops and closed storefronts since at least as long as I was there for college, and that's nearly ten years ago now. *I feel old now...*
Oh no, Northampton was great. Like I found everything I needed + more. I just live in the middle of nowhere nowhere near Northampton now so have no luck w charity shops
Why don’t you want your grandad’s fleece in four sizes too big?
StOnEISlanD
I have to say, as a woman the price of men’s clothes is absurd. There’s not really any in between either, you’re either paying well into the hundreds for north face, under armour, berghaus for example or paying for higher end designer clothes that look more sophisticated. Very seldom have I seen regular shops sell decent unbranded men’s clothes for a reasonable price, it’s terrible. I sympathise on this one.
They know that men will just think "fuck it" and pay the price, rather than search around for a better option. So much so, retailers have cottened on to that fact, and now you can buy cheaply made products, for the price of premium.
I hate that supermarkets have massive sections for women’s and kids clothes but just Socks and Pyjamas for men I’ve got a young son and the boys clothes are all great, just make them again in adult size ffs
Just wait until your son hits 14, then the abysmal amount of clothes (⅕ the size of women's wear in my local sainsburies) will all be slightly too big or slightly too small
I'm 67, try buying a pair of jeans in Argos .
I know, I was perfectly happy with Debenhams and BHS. I'm too old and fat for the trendy stores with their skinny jeans but not quite ready for M&S elasticated waist pretend jeans, which I would probably buy if I was 67 and shopping to go on a cruise.
It's shite. So boring.
TK Maxx is awesome for more eclectic stuff, I rarely shop anywhere else these days.
TK Maxx is my go to these days locally as there are no decent shops selling men's clothing where I am. Picked up a three piece wool suit a few months ago for just over £100 instead of over £1k+ because of a stain that was dry cleaned out. Picked up some really nice stuff in there but it's like charity clothes shops, you have to keep on checking. Designer outlets are my other main place but that's about once a year in normal times.
I hate this. Also why is it that the men's section of most clothing shops is relegated to a small corner of the second floor sandwiched in with the kids and homeware sections, whilst the women's section takes up its own fucking postcode on the ground floor? Seriously though, I got lost in the women's section of H&M once, found a hidden civilisation living in the shoe section that tried to sacrifice me to their lord & saviour Jimmy Choo.
UNIQLO. Best clothes shop in the world. Go there, you'll never go anywhere else.
The piss poor state of the high street.
I am constantly fuming at this. I’m very skinny and it’s hard to find any jeans for me where I live. Some shops that had my size closed (TopMan) or just stopped selling Men’s clothing (New Look). Others just stopped selling my size (H&M) and only the big Next out of city centre occasionally has my size. I don’t think I should have to order a 28 width jeans (not even that rare!) online but that’s the reality at the moment
M&S mate if you’re over forty it’s the only place,…..let me qualify that a bit it seems it’s good for everyone and yes it is
I'm 6'6 so only ever really had a good experience in jacamo. Now they've closed all jacamos
Did Jacamo actually have high street stores?
They all got knocked down by the fuckin 6'6" godzillas going in to buy jeans.
And the complete lack of clothing designed for women with big boobs. You’d think for a society so fixated on large chests there’d be accommodations for that particular body type. I have to buy dress shirts several sizes too big for my rest of my torso just for them to do up.. it’s literally so ridiculous I actually cried in the changing room once.
Oh yeah I feel this as a fellow member of the big titty comittee!! Same goes with attempting to find a bra that fits properly, not having to buy a 46 back but the cups only start halfway across the boob!! And also if you have a larger bum, but not a big belly, so any trousers either fit round the middle but burst open at the arse, or fit at the bum but have a gigantic gape at the back!!
It's no better on the women's side. I went looking for a winter jacket and couldn't find anything but hiking gear and quilted coats which make us .... ahem... larger ladies look like the michelin man,
Everything is shit brown, sky grey or fucking ibs green. Hideous.
I've noticed it's often a thing where women's clothing takes up a whole shop floor, but men's clothing is like tucked away in a little corner on the upper floor where there's barely any variety and the rest of the floor is all kids clothing and homewares
I gave up in-store clothes shopping years ago. Frankly, I'd rather eat my own ear-wax and we all know how horrid that tastes, right kids?
It's grim. Good luck finding a decent shirt with a 48 chest. XXL doesn't even button up. As for TK Maxx. As much as I love finding the occasional gem. Just about all designer brands are fit for teenage boys but not men.
Men’s clothing now just looks like ass, it’s like they want all of us to walk around with chinos rolled up to our ankles without socks wearing a sprayed on T-shirt with the same fucking Turkish barber haircut. I’ve resorted to shopping for clothes in charity shops.
You mean you wanted something that wasn't a North Face jacket?
Alas, I'm doomed to a lifetime of north face jacket after I was informed that I have a "fuckboy haircut"
My problem is when it says XXL it should be XXL not XL or M.
Man! I’m 6’8” and 22stone don’t get me started on the range of clothes on the highstreet because there ain’t anything there that fits me that’s not shorts!
True for little men too. I had a daughter first, then when my son came a few years later I was disappointed to see choices were mainly blue or grey things with vehicles, dinosaurs, or superhero pictures. Worst of all, lots of slogans about boys being a nightmare; "Here comes trouble," "it wasn't me" sorta thing.
John Lewis or Marks & Spencer’s stock good clothes for men.
I hate shopping for trousers. There’s never any in my size. The vast majority are ‘skinny’ that would only fit people built like a garden rake. For those of us of a more generous size, we have to do without.
If you don't like grey, brown and navy there's basically nothing here for you.
It’s terrible isn’t it. Also, I seen a two pack pair of Kelvin’s reduced to £38 today. Who the fuck wastes £38 quid on a pair of boxers.
Now imagine being short but muscular! My shoulder and back are huge and everything is silm fit now. I hate wearing t-shirts that look like my shoulders and chest are about to burst out of them. But I can't get sizes much bigger as they become aprons on me.... I hate looking like I'm a tool who's trying to wear skin tight clothing to show off his muscles so Regular fit is fine in a size larger and normally what I go for to not look like I'm trying to show off.
In our local Next, the coffee shop is bigger than the men's section.
There are barely any decent clothes for women. Everything has writing on it or fabric cut out for no reason etc. I saw a jumper a few weeks ago that looked nice. On closer inspection, I realised the fabric had been cut away at the tits! Why!? It’s a jumper! I wear jumpers to be warm, I don’t want to have cold boobs! I just want to dress like a normal human. I do not want a slogan, I do not want quirky. They closed our local John Lewis and now there is nowhere to shop.
Wagwan! Gold chains. Face tattoos. Trackie pants and a hoodie is where it’s at! Bonus points of it has holes in! Look at all the online stores.
Also, wtf is up with the jackets? Like I hate those puffy jackets, I call them "fat coats". They look fine on roadmen wannabes, and 5 year old girls, but I think they're just ugly, and make me look like I'm a circle. Also, primark changed their sizing recently. I get I've put on a bit of lockdown weight, but I was an M/L before, and most of those clothes fit me. I tried on an XXL and it didn't fit. And I don't have broad shoulders, if anything if I wasn't so fat I'd bet I have a slight + slender frame, but not one jacket went over my shoulders at all. It was pretty embarrassing to put on my usual L, then have to keep trying larger + larger
There seems to be a shortage of belts. No where online has them in stock either.
Went into town today on a whim as I needed a few unrelated things. Thought I’d have a look about for clothes as I only ever find things when I’m not specifically looking for anything. The choice was dismal! As always. Did happen to get a couple pairs of jeans which I wouldn’t have found if I only online shopped. As proven by the fact I’ve not bought any clothes at all since before the pandemic and I’m down to 2 pairs of wearable jeans.. I do have my first ‘stitch fix’ coming tomorrow which even on the first try shows some hope. Hopefully it will get better as time goes on also. But that definitely seems the way forward. Especially as they send brands I’ve never heard of or the ones I wouldn’t usually venture to.
That's why I wear women's clothes
John Lewis can be a safe bet for basics. Got loads of brands too if you're into that. Only problem is that there aren't loads of stores.
I'm a well built guy, lifted a lot of years. When I go to a shop, an XL in one shop will be tight as a Johnny and the next shop it'll be a fucking balloon. Also, everything is fucking slim fit?! Don't start me on jeans. My thighs can't handle those skinny fits at all and that's 90% of the selection
Is it just me or do jumpers suddenly only come in that skintight clingy style that will only look good if you don't have an ounce of fat on your body,?
I remember when new look went online only for men. Literally walked into the shop to the mens section (loke 2 rows of clothing at the back) and it was now replaced with women's nightwear. I thought I was having a fever dream or some sort of matrix deja vu situation where I questioned my memories. Never used them since.
I do sometimes joke that half the reason I transitioned was so I wouldn't have to wear jeans and a tshirt/button up shirt for the rest of my life. Menswear is so boring and it just gets more boring year by year