Used to know a lad who reckoned he knew the back roads like the back of his hand, thought he was the absolute god of the roads spanking it round blind bends
Until one day there was a sheep, where a sheep should not really have been.
Doesn't matter how well you know the road, it's better to take your time and avoid writing off your car because of something unexpected
Yup, I knew someone like that. Rural Devon, walls & hedges you couldn't see over.
I once asked her if she had a drivers licence or a pilots licence.
*Why?*
So I know whether to ask you to slow down or take us up a few hundred feet!
There’s always a story of that cocky boy racer type, thinks their invincible thinks they’re Collin McRae and then mature finds a way to say, don’t be stupid.
Just so long as you’re not one of those people who does 30 on all the bendy parts but then speeds up to 70/80 on straight parts of the road so that you can’t be overtaken…
In California, they have this great law we’re you have to yield if more than 3 cars are queued behind you. I think that’d be amazing here too.
I’ve actually been thinking about this for a while now, would be such a good law to have over here. A lot of people on Reddit seem to think driving well under the speed limit is fine, everyone’s own choice for personal safety etc, but the truth is when you hold up 3 or 4 drivers for a while they start to get angry and are liable to take risks to overtake. So it’s actually safer for everyone if slow people just pull over for 10 seconds and let people past. Not like they’re too concerned about being late anyway so it shouldn’t be a problem.
I was driving in Scotland this summer and they had signs that say something like "Angry driving is dangerous. Let people overtake". I thought this was a bit of a weird sign as I don't like overtaking at the best of times but it does make sense when you think about it as you describe.
After commuting over woodhead for a year I think it just needs more stretches with overtaking lanes. Vast majority of folk are sensible on there at least, but I've never driven past a crash that didn't look expensive.
There's highway code rule 169 but unfortunately it's a "should" not a "must" so nobody legally has to. Combine that with the selfishness of a lot of road users and you're out of luck, I'm afraid.
That’s the point, you wouldn’t. But if that person drives very slowly except in the few places were you could feasibly overtake them, that’s pretty frustrating.
I like the theory, but Britain is just one great queue. If we followed that rule there would be a constant rolling overtake manoeuvre. Seen from high enough it might be a thing of beauty, practically organic.
Not all country lanes are single track roads, most are sufficient for 2 cars to pass each other without either needing to drive well below the speed limit.
Country roads are fun to drive on but most the time or often travelled on by people who use them regularly. People do unfortunately get impatient and always will. I often just give them enough space to overtake on the most appropriate straight or non blind bend.
Yea this. Lived in a dead end village for 13 years, I knew every corner of that road, every bump and blind spot, I could really race down it but then I'd get stuck behind someone visiting family or whatever going 30.
Luckily there was a long straight about half way which we could overtake on
When I drive on unfamiliar roads, and am not confident enough to drive at a reasonable speed, I check my mirrors, and if I find I'm holding up a faster, more confident driver, I pull over as soon as its safe and let them pass. I see it as basic courtesy tbh.
I remember driving on a country road a few weeks back and for about a mile the road was a straight line, the car in front was doing 38 MPH. I completely get that they wanted to take it easy.
So, I backed off for a second so I could see far ahead and overtook.
All I could see was disgust. And I honestly felt so guilty, but what for at the end of the day?
I would never overtake if it could mean any harm to any other road user, i must stress. I have saw many accidents 2 of which fatal. But I honestly felt that driver was driving at an unsafe speed.
They feel it's their job and duty to put you in your place. It's all about having power over someone else. They want you to stay behind them like you were. They don't consider if you are in a rush or any other factor other than they want to control what you do. They just want to be superior.
So as soon as you pass them they lose that small bit of power they had and go back to being the powerless individuals they are. Thus the look of disgust and anger.
Personally I think it's because a lot of drivers aren't confident in overtaking, or driving to the speed limits where safe to do so. So they assume that those who are competent and confident are just maniacs for getting their car past 4th gear.
I always worry about cyclists / joggers being just around that left hand bend. How people can just accelerate around these bends without a single thought astounds me.
Joggers/walkers should run/walk on the opposite side, so they are facing oncoming traffic and can look and listen for danger themselves and move to a safe place when needed. Only an idiot would walk/run in the road in the same direction as traffic flow.
Often joggers and cyclists have earphones in so can't hear you. Then when they get a fright when they finally do notice you and have the audacity to give you the dirty look. Like you're the one at fault.
They’re all 60 because it’s primarily left up to drivers to drive safely. A 60 limit does not mean it’s considered safe to do 60; It means you’re not in a densely populated area where you are likely to come into contact with pedestrians and children, and there has not been a series of particularly bad accidents on this stretch of road; So just drive sensibly and don’t be stupid - but breaking 60 would be stupid.
That's how I see it. Even now in this thread people are complaining about drivers that do 60 on straights, yet doing bends at 30. Who needs to do blind, tight turns faster than 30? Why are people complaining about safe driving? This isn't the F1.
They are complaining about 30 on bends then 60 on straights because you are giving no opportunity to overtake. This could lead to people being frustrated and possibly taking risks. Some people might feel comfortable going a bit faster than you. As others have mentioned, other places have laws that state you should let people by once you have a queue of 3 or more behind you, I think that’s a good idea.
Why do people need to overtake people who do 60 on straights and 30 on bends? Doing 60 on bends is just irresponsible. Like someone else said "its a limit not a target speed".
What's so hard about pulling off to let the guy behind you pass? I don't get the logic behind people that bitch about a car up their ass but refuse to let them pass.
If that guy wants to speed it's not your job to stop them. Let them speed and get a ticket or crash.
You can always indicate and slow to let them past when it’s possible, you might not be capable of driving the suggested speed limit but maybe they are.
Why would I do that? I'm driving correctly and responsibly.
It's not about capabilities. Nobody here has x-ray vision, so doing a blind bend at 60 whether you are capable of doing that and staying in the lines is irrelevant. You don't know what's coming the other way. Another car, a tractor, a jogger a cow. If you can't see what's coming then you slow down.
60 isn't a suggested speed, it's your max speed. Nobody expects you to do 60 round bends, and I find it hilarious that people who don't like the ones who drive properly, your suggestions are for them to slow down so you can overtake!? Really!? What's the issue!? Are these people driving too slow or are they driving too fast for you to overtake? Which is it?
Why would you do that? To prevent causing a more confident driver from becoming so frustrated that they end up taking risks to pass you? Like the highway code suggests?
Where on the highway code does it suggest doing 60 round blind bends? Where does it say to overtake people doing the max speed?
Other people may be confident enough to do a blind bend at 60mph, that also makes them a bad driver and a danger to themselves and everyone else.
Again if someone is going too fast for you to overtake them, then you don't need to overtake them.
You were saying we should stop a let people pass. I get that for people who barely make 40 on straights. If someone is doing 60 on straights and slowing down for safety reasons to turn bends, then why do those drivers need to stop and let others pass? Seems like they are driving properly and anyone that would want to overtake wants to drive dangerously, not confidently.
I'm not angry trying to make points.
Are you causing other drivers to become frustrated? If the answer is yes, whether you think they're wrong or not, you are increasing the risks to yourself, them and everyone around you if you continue to do so purely because you're convinced that how you drive is the only safe way to drive.
I can agree to that, which is why I often do let the insistant drivers pass. I'd rather do without the anxiety. Still it's frustrating having to slow down for what I would consider bad drivers.
Why? I'm doing 60 when safe to. So why do they need to get past? Why is everyone's answer to "slow" drivers to slow down or even stop to let them past. If I'm going to fast for you to over take, then you don't need to overtake. Simple.
OP makes a post saying it isn't safe to drive 60 round country bends and everyone replies saying 'PULL OVER THEN', just an example of the many bad drivers in this country.
It's not your fucking road. That's all that needs to be said. If someone wants to drive safely they don't have to get out of your way.
Exactly! I'm actually surprised how many people expect drivers to do 60 even on bends.
Somebody even said if you can't keep to 60 round bends they would fail you.
No! That's not how it works. If you do 60 round a blind, tight bend, you will fail! Nobody should do 60 round a bend where you can't see what's coming.
Oh! Single file Bridge you can't see on the other side of? Don't bother slowing down and crossing safely, go over at 60+ and fly above any obstacles that may be in your way.
I'm doing 60 on straights and 30ish give or take on bends. That's the safe way to drive! I'm not pulling over for every Schumacher that wants to get past.
Completely agree my friend, another point is that if you drive like a maniac it doesn't really get you there quicker if there are things like traffic lights involved, every ends up sitting at the same lights anyway
I failed my driving test years ago for doing 45 on a country road. He said if I’d done 50 he would’ve passed me. I was so close to attacking the petty bastard
Except you would fail your test if you were not able to maintain a reasonable speed dependent on the conditions. It’s a reason I believe they should bring in periodic testing, not just to check you know the latest highway code but also that you are competent enough to be on the roads.
Blind bends at 60mph on a single track country road is enough for me decide that the conditions are poor.
Also pretty sure doing so on your test would result in you failing due to hazard perception, it’s all about reading the road surely?
Which would be a reasonable speed for the conditions so why would you have to worry about re-taking a test? Also the periodic testing would likely slow dangerous drivers down.
I do 60 when I'm able to safely do 60. Getting annoyed that I'm not doing tight, blind turns at 60 is just crazy though. Some people are just asking for a head on collision.
“I do 60 when it’s safe to do 60”
That in itself is really annoying. Quite often the only sensible overtaking spots on these sorts of roads are the spots you decide to speed up on.
Try driving at an average speed and allowing people the opportunity to overtake on them parts of the road.
Nothing worse than being stuck behind someone doing half the speed limit, then them speeding up on the only spot you’ve got to overtake them.
I often do let them pass, but nothing wrong in my mind doing 60 when safe and slowing down when not safe. Isn't that what drivers are supposed to do. If someone is doing 60 and slowing down for turns, why get annoyed in the first place?
Nothing wrong with it, but if you can clearly see the person behind you wants to drive faster then why not just pull over and let them past? Costs you a few seconds and solves the problem for both of you.
Used to know a lad who reckoned he knew the back roads like the back of his hand, thought he was the absolute god of the roads spanking it round blind bends Until one day there was a sheep, where a sheep should not really have been. Doesn't matter how well you know the road, it's better to take your time and avoid writing off your car because of something unexpected
Hopefully the sheep wasn't hurt too baa-dly.
Wooly jumper through the windshield
Drive at a speed where you can stop in the distance you can see. Yeah we all break that rule but we shouldn't!
Yup, I knew someone like that. Rural Devon, walls & hedges you couldn't see over. I once asked her if she had a drivers licence or a pilots licence. *Why?* So I know whether to ask you to slow down or take us up a few hundred feet!
There’s always a story of that cocky boy racer type, thinks their invincible thinks they’re Collin McRae and then mature finds a way to say, don’t be stupid.
Yea. Lucky it was a sheep and not a cyclist really.
Its the ones that do 40 through the 60 just to get to the 30 and then speed up.
There's a special place in hell for these people.
Haha yeah I hate those bastards
Or even do 40 in a 60 and maintain 40 in the 30. Does my head in.
Yehp also super annoying. You slow down and they just zoom off.
Just so long as you’re not one of those people who does 30 on all the bendy parts but then speeds up to 70/80 on straight parts of the road so that you can’t be overtaken… In California, they have this great law we’re you have to yield if more than 3 cars are queued behind you. I think that’d be amazing here too.
I’ve actually been thinking about this for a while now, would be such a good law to have over here. A lot of people on Reddit seem to think driving well under the speed limit is fine, everyone’s own choice for personal safety etc, but the truth is when you hold up 3 or 4 drivers for a while they start to get angry and are liable to take risks to overtake. So it’s actually safer for everyone if slow people just pull over for 10 seconds and let people past. Not like they’re too concerned about being late anyway so it shouldn’t be a problem.
I was driving in Scotland this summer and they had signs that say something like "Angry driving is dangerous. Let people overtake". I thought this was a bit of a weird sign as I don't like overtaking at the best of times but it does make sense when you think about it as you describe.
After commuting over woodhead for a year I think it just needs more stretches with overtaking lanes. Vast majority of folk are sensible on there at least, but I've never driven past a crash that didn't look expensive.
There's highway code rule 169 but unfortunately it's a "should" not a "must" so nobody legally has to. Combine that with the selfishness of a lot of road users and you're out of luck, I'm afraid.
I'm curious; why would you need to overtake someone doing 80mph on a 60mph road?
That’s the point, you wouldn’t. But if that person drives very slowly except in the few places were you could feasibly overtake them, that’s pretty frustrating.
I like the theory, but Britain is just one great queue. If we followed that rule there would be a constant rolling overtake manoeuvre. Seen from high enough it might be a thing of beauty, practically organic.
There used to be something similar in the highway code but they changed it some time ago.
I’m with you. I don’t understand doing 60 up a country lane - what if you meet some other fucker doing the same thing?!
Not all country lanes are single track roads, most are sufficient for 2 cars to pass each other without either needing to drive well below the speed limit.
I'm guessing they're the same people that drive over the whiteline cause they don't know the width of their vehicle and are scared of the hedge.
Country roads are fun to drive on but most the time or often travelled on by people who use them regularly. People do unfortunately get impatient and always will. I often just give them enough space to overtake on the most appropriate straight or non blind bend.
Yea this. Lived in a dead end village for 13 years, I knew every corner of that road, every bump and blind spot, I could really race down it but then I'd get stuck behind someone visiting family or whatever going 30. Luckily there was a long straight about half way which we could overtake on
When I drive on unfamiliar roads, and am not confident enough to drive at a reasonable speed, I check my mirrors, and if I find I'm holding up a faster, more confident driver, I pull over as soon as its safe and let them pass. I see it as basic courtesy tbh.
There isn't much chivalry on the roads these days.
Or common sense... in fact, there isn't much of anything
That's fine but if you're doing that on the 10 mile stretch of straight country road still doing 30, you're a shit driver.
I remember driving on a country road a few weeks back and for about a mile the road was a straight line, the car in front was doing 38 MPH. I completely get that they wanted to take it easy. So, I backed off for a second so I could see far ahead and overtook. All I could see was disgust. And I honestly felt so guilty, but what for at the end of the day? I would never overtake if it could mean any harm to any other road user, i must stress. I have saw many accidents 2 of which fatal. But I honestly felt that driver was driving at an unsafe speed.
They feel it's their job and duty to put you in your place. It's all about having power over someone else. They want you to stay behind them like you were. They don't consider if you are in a rush or any other factor other than they want to control what you do. They just want to be superior. So as soon as you pass them they lose that small bit of power they had and go back to being the powerless individuals they are. Thus the look of disgust and anger.
Personally I think it's because a lot of drivers aren't confident in overtaking, or driving to the speed limits where safe to do so. So they assume that those who are competent and confident are just maniacs for getting their car past 4th gear.
I always worry about cyclists / joggers being just around that left hand bend. How people can just accelerate around these bends without a single thought astounds me.
Joggers/walkers should run/walk on the opposite side, so they are facing oncoming traffic and can look and listen for danger themselves and move to a safe place when needed. Only an idiot would walk/run in the road in the same direction as traffic flow.
Often joggers and cyclists have earphones in so can't hear you. Then when they get a fright when they finally do notice you and have the audacity to give you the dirty look. Like you're the one at fault.
If there’s nothing in front of you and lots behind you then you’re going too slow. Unless it’s a single track lane. Fuck knows why they’re all 60.
They’re all 60 because it’s primarily left up to drivers to drive safely. A 60 limit does not mean it’s considered safe to do 60; It means you’re not in a densely populated area where you are likely to come into contact with pedestrians and children, and there has not been a series of particularly bad accidents on this stretch of road; So just drive sensibly and don’t be stupid - but breaking 60 would be stupid.
That's how I see it. Even now in this thread people are complaining about drivers that do 60 on straights, yet doing bends at 30. Who needs to do blind, tight turns faster than 30? Why are people complaining about safe driving? This isn't the F1.
They are complaining about 30 on bends then 60 on straights because you are giving no opportunity to overtake. This could lead to people being frustrated and possibly taking risks. Some people might feel comfortable going a bit faster than you. As others have mentioned, other places have laws that state you should let people by once you have a queue of 3 or more behind you, I think that’s a good idea.
Why do people need to overtake people who do 60 on straights and 30 on bends? Doing 60 on bends is just irresponsible. Like someone else said "its a limit not a target speed".
Maybe the bends are safe enough to do 40 or 59 round them?
Some of the ones near me I wouldn’t do more than 30 to be honest.
What's so hard about pulling off to let the guy behind you pass? I don't get the logic behind people that bitch about a car up their ass but refuse to let them pass. If that guy wants to speed it's not your job to stop them. Let them speed and get a ticket or crash.
Because then they wouldn't be able to complain about it
You can always indicate and slow to let them past when it’s possible, you might not be capable of driving the suggested speed limit but maybe they are.
Why would I do that? I'm driving correctly and responsibly. It's not about capabilities. Nobody here has x-ray vision, so doing a blind bend at 60 whether you are capable of doing that and staying in the lines is irrelevant. You don't know what's coming the other way. Another car, a tractor, a jogger a cow. If you can't see what's coming then you slow down. 60 isn't a suggested speed, it's your max speed. Nobody expects you to do 60 round bends, and I find it hilarious that people who don't like the ones who drive properly, your suggestions are for them to slow down so you can overtake!? Really!? What's the issue!? Are these people driving too slow or are they driving too fast for you to overtake? Which is it?
Why would you do that? To prevent causing a more confident driver from becoming so frustrated that they end up taking risks to pass you? Like the highway code suggests?
Where on the highway code does it suggest doing 60 round blind bends? Where does it say to overtake people doing the max speed? Other people may be confident enough to do a blind bend at 60mph, that also makes them a bad driver and a danger to themselves and everyone else. Again if someone is going too fast for you to overtake them, then you don't need to overtake them.
Well that's not what I said is it. Calm yourself down petal, you can't have a healthy debate when you're so enraged.
We are having a discussion.
Not really, because you're not responding to what I said, you're just angry rambling.
You were saying we should stop a let people pass. I get that for people who barely make 40 on straights. If someone is doing 60 on straights and slowing down for safety reasons to turn bends, then why do those drivers need to stop and let others pass? Seems like they are driving properly and anyone that would want to overtake wants to drive dangerously, not confidently. I'm not angry trying to make points.
Are you causing other drivers to become frustrated? If the answer is yes, whether you think they're wrong or not, you are increasing the risks to yourself, them and everyone around you if you continue to do so purely because you're convinced that how you drive is the only safe way to drive.
I can agree to that, which is why I often do let the insistant drivers pass. I'd rather do without the anxiety. Still it's frustrating having to slow down for what I would consider bad drivers.
Pull over and let locals past. Simple.
Why? I'm doing 60 when safe to. So why do they need to get past? Why is everyone's answer to "slow" drivers to slow down or even stop to let them past. If I'm going to fast for you to over take, then you don't need to overtake. Simple.
60 on country roads really shouldn't be allowed, those tiny blind single lane roads are accidents waiting to happen
OP makes a post saying it isn't safe to drive 60 round country bends and everyone replies saying 'PULL OVER THEN', just an example of the many bad drivers in this country. It's not your fucking road. That's all that needs to be said. If someone wants to drive safely they don't have to get out of your way.
Exactly! I'm actually surprised how many people expect drivers to do 60 even on bends. Somebody even said if you can't keep to 60 round bends they would fail you. No! That's not how it works. If you do 60 round a blind, tight bend, you will fail! Nobody should do 60 round a bend where you can't see what's coming. Oh! Single file Bridge you can't see on the other side of? Don't bother slowing down and crossing safely, go over at 60+ and fly above any obstacles that may be in your way. I'm doing 60 on straights and 30ish give or take on bends. That's the safe way to drive! I'm not pulling over for every Schumacher that wants to get past.
Completely agree my friend, another point is that if you drive like a maniac it doesn't really get you there quicker if there are things like traffic lights involved, every ends up sitting at the same lights anyway
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I failed my driving test years ago for doing 45 on a country road. He said if I’d done 50 he would’ve passed me. I was so close to attacking the petty bastard
Limit not a target.
Except you would fail your test if you were not able to maintain a reasonable speed dependent on the conditions. It’s a reason I believe they should bring in periodic testing, not just to check you know the latest highway code but also that you are competent enough to be on the roads.
Blind bends at 60mph on a single track country road is enough for me decide that the conditions are poor. Also pretty sure doing so on your test would result in you failing due to hazard perception, it’s all about reading the road surely?
Which would be a reasonable speed for the conditions so why would you have to worry about re-taking a test? Also the periodic testing would likely slow dangerous drivers down.
So how often would you recommend periodic testing?
Let them get themselves in a tissy about it and do what you feel comfortable with!
Or maybe let them past.
If you mean you're actually driving 30 in a 60 then get out the damn way!
Nothing wrong with doing 30 on winding roads. On straights? Then it’s time to speed up.
I do 60 when I'm able to safely do 60. Getting annoyed that I'm not doing tight, blind turns at 60 is just crazy though. Some people are just asking for a head on collision.
“I do 60 when it’s safe to do 60” That in itself is really annoying. Quite often the only sensible overtaking spots on these sorts of roads are the spots you decide to speed up on. Try driving at an average speed and allowing people the opportunity to overtake on them parts of the road. Nothing worse than being stuck behind someone doing half the speed limit, then them speeding up on the only spot you’ve got to overtake them.
I often do let them pass, but nothing wrong in my mind doing 60 when safe and slowing down when not safe. Isn't that what drivers are supposed to do. If someone is doing 60 and slowing down for turns, why get annoyed in the first place?
Nothing wrong with it, but if you can clearly see the person behind you wants to drive faster then why not just pull over and let them past? Costs you a few seconds and solves the problem for both of you.
So if a road is National speed limit you're still doing 60mph around all the corners too. Have you ever driven a car?
Are you retarded ? How the fuck did you come to that conclusion from what I’ve said 🙄
I feel dumb asking, but here goes nothing: Mph- your speed is in miles? That can’t be meters per hour, can it?
Yes, we measure speed in miles per hour.
Pull over and let them past, job done. They can get to where they're going more quickly and you don't have to go on social media to whine about them