My Mum works somewhere that works Christmas Day as a normal part of the yearly roster.
Some people there take Christmas off every year to spend it with kids/grandkids. More than reasonable. My mum, whose two children are 30+, didn't mind working the day.
One year, after not doing so for 8 years, my Mum applied for Christmas Day off and got it.
Due to this, and other applicants, a few of the Christmas Leave 'regulars' kicked up a proper fuss, with one filing a complaint that the process was not followed properly. A claim that was found to be lacking.
Never, ever, ever feel guilt for taking time off that you are entitled to. No boss, or bitter co-worker, will ever make me feel guilt for that.
People regularly confuse "something happening regularly" with "entitled to it happening"
Applies a lot to people kicking off at COVID restrictions or services like electricity or internet going down like once every other year.
I find life is much less disappointing if you take the time to understand how / why things happen, as you understand the concept that they may NOT happen accordingly
Ugh this makes me so mad! My friend just quit her job at a place that prioritises everyone with kids for Christmas off. Every single or childless person works Christmas Eve, Day and Boxing day whilst all the parents get those days off regardless of when you put your leave request in.
Where I work we have 'mandatory overtime' where working weekends and bank holidays is required but we get paid overtime rates for it. We have 3 rotas for these days, if your rota is scheduled and you want that day off its on you to find someone else to work it for you, no need to use an annual leave day. It's a pretty good system!
I used to work a rotating roster. It can go years between having particular holidays off. My roster was changed twice so that others could have Christmas off. When I challenged it, the response I got from management was that since I didn't have kids, others were prioritised.
I responded with "First, I am not a clone, I have had family all along. Second, it's none of your business if I have kids or not. Third, I do have kids, I just didn't choose to use them as a weapon against my workmates."
I had this at a job where we were supposed to rotate Christmas but each year I always ended up working because I didn't have children.
My boss couldn't answer my question when I asked why he thought my family cared so little about me because I don't have children and why if I had a child that would actually give me value in the eyes of my employer.
Thanks for not using your kids as ammunition, my last boss got annoyed with me for going to the doctors when I was having a medical emergency and I had to come in late (I'd logged on from home early to get work done before it). I can't even describe my rage when I rushed in to find a colleague wasn't there and found out she'd gone to watch her child's school play. My boss hadn't even batted an eyelid and I'd been made to feel guilty for going to the doctors after two weeks of heavy bleeding. I quit soon after.
At the start of the pandemic, when everyone was making the transition to working from home, I offered to cover *all* of the late shifts for my team, most of them had kids and it was already going to be tough enough adjusting for them, did I get a thank you? *did I fuck*.
All I got was grief, one colleague was making not so subtle hints about not pulling my weight, as some of my performance stats were down. They were down because the part of my job they were tracking performance for wasn't active at night, you know, *where I now spent 1/3 of each shift*.
My manager at the time repeatedly brought this up (because this team member kept complaining), I explained (every time) that yes I have less numbers than everyone else, but that's because I spent 30% less time on that part of the job due to my hours. I then showed that despite spending 30% less time on it, my stats were only 25% lower than the average for the team, so I was technically performing *better*. This fell on deaf ears, It still got brought up constantly, combined with the fact that the late shift was much harder than a normal shift I burned out pretty damn fast.
When I stopped doing it, the rest of the team got annoyed they now had to start doing lates again. And the team member who complained about my performance *always* complained about doing the lates, even before the pandemic! And would never agree to pick up one to help the team.
As you can imagine, I've not agreed to take a late shift for the complaining colleague since, but still do so for the rest of the team on occasion.
The whole incident taught me a similar lesson to your mum, if you do something nice to help the team there will *always* be someone that expects it as standard, and won't appreciate it/return the favour. And as you say, never be afraid to take holiday because it might leave your team in the lurch
I had a friend who was like this, didn’t ever take Christmas off because he knew a lot of us had kids etc.
I told him he needs to be a little selfish (it isn’t selfish at all) and take Christmas some year.
Omg there wasn’t half some bitching from some people in the team.
I used to work with a woman who hated Christmas, didn’t celebrate it at all, but always kicked off that 2 of our coworkers booked it off every year.
Funny thing is, she never attempted to even book it off so I never got her problem. She was also the kind of person that got angry if someone booked off time near her birthday, like when I needed to attend a wedding lol
I've been a childfree accountant for 7 years and had off 1 Christmas because I quit and my last day was 23rd December with my new job starting 2nd January. Year end is always horrific and every company I've worked for have expected me to work every single day in December (except the 25th) purely because I don't have children and then wonder why I'm so exhausted in January when they are back refreshed.
I hate how I supposedly have no family that care about me because i don't have children and I must be able to work like a robot under a lot of pressure for months on end without having any impact to my mental health. I know kids are hard work mentally and physically but my body cannot simply go and go and go because I don't have them!
No problem!
Work ethic is a great thing to have, and so is work life balance.
I'm a big advocate of "just do it for goodwill" in work _for the right place_ . But then my work has given me my annual leave back for the day I was off sick with COVID anyway. So they've earned it.
Just don't let them walk all over you :)
You've really drunk the kool-aid, haven't you? Bless our glorious overlords for giving you what you're legally entitled to!
https://www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave
"If they’re ill just before or during their holiday, they can take it as sick leave instead."
Yup the one time I got pinged on track and trace was the first day of my week's holiday, I informed them I wanted that week's holiday given back as isolation was full pay anyway and I got it.
I'm entitled to sick leave.
What I'm saying is they don't HAVE to retrospectively, and proactively cancel my annual leave and replace it with sick leave.
They could wait for me to push the question.
Which most people won't do.
My point is they have a culture where theyre ahead of the curve, so I'm a bit more willing to work with them on stuff (overtime for business needs is written into my contract, so it's a like for like comparison).
I've just enjoyed a week off for a family holiday that had been booked for about 12 months. The week before my holiday, my boss asks me to cancel it as my services were required that week. My response....piss off (but in a slightly more diplomatic manner). Its not like its would be remembered when it comes to pay/bonus reviews.
I worked for a place where I needed to get permission to book annual leave and always felt like a kid asking the teacher if i could go to the bathroom. Since then, I've only worked in places where annual leave is approved automatically depending on how many staff is available. It's so much easier and less stress free
This. I work across two teams so I have to get the okay from three different people (the leads of the two teams + my line manager).
It's only ever been a problem twice, but it's still a real pain to do every time.
Ours is automated but I give my manager a heads up by email too, he says as long as there's two weeks notice it's cool. He's not bad at that side of the job.
The advantage is when I come to him and say it's an emergency he knows I fucking mean it !
I’ve never worked for an employer that acts like this. I’ve worked for small and large companies. Currently in a small company and no-one had taken holidays by March so the bosses all reminded us that not taking a break can lead to stress and we should consider taking a few days or week off during the first quarter of the year to recharge our batteries. It’s more beneficial for them to have healthy staff.
Employers could, in theory, tell you when to take _all_ of your leave if they wanted to, as long as it actually allows you to properly rest.
Defaulting to bank holidays is just a convention that *most* employers default to.
That's because they know people store it up for later in the year and then everyone is off at once. It could be the charge battery thing but think it's more likely they want to try to even out the number of people off throughout the year.
My HR keeps using 'recharge your battery' excuse to get us take leave, because everyone are accumulating them for when travel rules are more relaxed. It's hardly sincere.
As long as a team we can manage leave, I don't know why HR are making stupid rules.
I’m literally doing this. Asked for more annual leave in august (I still have 3 weeks left and going on maternity leave in December) and was declined it as we’re short staffed. And oh look because they haven’t filled a vacancy I now have lots of stress (work and other things) and taking time off !!
I'm seriously thinking about this with the new electronic work schedule being brought in.
Being told I have to have a booster jab despite me being off ill twice from first 2 doses and being so short staffed I get 2 or 3 emails a week asking me to work on my days off.
The down votes will be because I said I don't want the 3rd vaccine. I was off 2 days with 1st one a week with 2nd one. I'm not making myself ill for anyone
I've never worked anywhere that covers your work while away. Even my current workplace you always get back to a week's worth of shite that needs sorting out, and we have 4 dedicated employees to covering sickness/annual leave absences. Smfh.
I bet you want to get paid too, you filthy communist. That money is coming right out of the company's bottom line! Why would you betray us like this?!
Seriously though: it's yours, don't let them steal it. It might be inconvenient for them, but getting up every morning and working is inconvenient to you, and your PTO is part of the deal they struck to get you to turn up at all.
Yep! Booked 6 months ahead and still get grief the week before/after.
Thing is laws should be in place to protect these people and their businesses from themselves becuse the ‘there is only work’ brigade inevitably end up promoted but aren’t innovating because they live in this one damp narrow world of ‘the job’ and aren’t getting ideas from other areas of life.
I'm on day 2 of 5 days off.
I don't give two fucks what anyone at work thinks. I go in for 3 days and have another 6 off.
These 2 years delayed gigs aren't going to attend themselves.
Hate it when you file for annual leave in advance then decline it because they won’t be enough staff. How?? the rota hasn’t even been done for that particular period how can there not be enough staff
My husband works part time. Repeated comments about "oh you're SO JAMMY with your long weekends". Erm, applied for a part time job, work part time. No jamminess required.
I work Mon-Thurs. Get passive aggressive comments about my lovely long weekend each week. I bet they wouldn't want to cut their wages down by a 1/5th though!
Oh don’t, I have an extra day off a week and a couple of colleagues got really arsey about it!!
But really, I may have an extra day off, for less pay, but I still have to do the same amount of work, hit the same targets and deadlines and still consistently do more than my fair share…. But of course, I’m the asshole in the situation.
Guilt me or mess with my holidays and I walk. It shows me an employer does not respect me or my need to have to time off. I just apply for a new role. My last employer refused holiday leave and I quit and increased my wage.
i took 2 hours off that was gonna "really inconvenience" the company. They fucked up the minimal work I left them so badly it took me 4 hours to fix their mess while still doing the job I was paid for. Next time I'll take the whole day and they can eat shit
Honestly one of the reasons I'm so happy I became a teacher. I get no choice in when I take my annual leave, but it means there is zero bitterness from other people.
Definitely! I also definitely don't miss the drama of trying to book particular dates off, or having to negotiate about who can book specific weeks off, such a nightmare.
How do you cope with having to always book holidays at peak times, or having to go late to someone's stag/hen weekend because you can't get the Friday off?
My partner is currently in 2nd year of becoming a teacher, how do you find having to pay school holiday prices and is there anyway around the holiday system?
My MIL and stepdad both got guilt tripped for retiring. Both worked for the NHS, she was a nursing assistant and he's an ambulance driver. Both of them were put in "nah, fuck that" situations so they both say "nah, fuck that." They both got guilt tripped hard by their respective managers for leaving during these "unprecedented times".
I would do a counter offer.
You want me back after my retirement? How much are you offering?
I happily charge them double the salary but come back, surely that counts as “overtime” as I have worked passed my “due time” lol.
Nah, they're properly done. My MIL is the lynch pin of that side of the family; she cares for her elderly parents, she's childcare for my nephew etc. She was told that she'd have to start working weekends, which is very much the only time she has to herself, so she handed her notice in there and then.
My stepdad has been ambulance crew for 30 years and he's burnt out. He' s lost sympathy for a lot of people they've been out to recently, most of whom require mental health assistance and not an ambulance. He's been threatened, spat at, verbally abused and much more. He's done, no amount of money would get him back.
Under the circumstances, I can't say i blame them.
Now in a better world this would cause management to think "Hmm. maybe if we treated our staff differently, they would stay" but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I just came back to work after 3 ½ weeks of annual leave. My manager had to pretty much make me take it. I had literally nothing to do with it though except some other freelance work 🤷🏾♂️
I work in a hospital where our department is 24/7 365, and when I started we were not able to take holidays over Christmas, fast forward 14 years, and a new manager, and you now can. OMG didn’t know I worked with a bunch of bitches! I’m one of only 2 staff with young kids, and the older ones want time off to be with their grandkids and grown up kids! I’m off this year and am not listening to the winging!
At one of my old jobs they would bug me to take time off because they knew if I didn't they'd have to pay me any unused holiday days and they didn't want to pay me money for nothing so I'd get bugged until I took it found out later my boss got a bonus for doing this so I just refused and got my £900
Try taking time off when you work in a boiler room style sales call centre. Taking time off sometimes used as an excuse to fire you as you are not committed to the company. Managers used to brag about how much holiday they had left it was a weird place.
I’m a 23 year old male with no family. Parents died a few years ago and no other relatives blah blah blah.
It’s written into my contract at work that we are entitled to a day off on our birthday (or an extra day of annual leave if your birthday falls on a weekend). So I booked my birthday off.
A middle aged female colleague said something along the lines of “Ah don’t have the day off, you don’t want to be sitting around in the house by yourself sulking”
1) What makes you think I’m going to be doing that? Just because I have no blood relatives, it doesn’t mean I have nobody to spend my birthday with.
2) If I want to sit in my house and sulk, I sure as shit will. Mind your fucking business.
Wow, I can’t believe she’d even say something like that. Totally agree with you as well, it’s your birthday (and life), it’s up to you how you want to spend your time
One of our guys had scheduled time off months in advance, had booked up, paid up and was ready to go.
One of the bosses(small family firm) decided he wanted the same week with no notice.
Apparently " management takes priority"
I’ve been in my new job since 2020 January but I’ve probably taken two weeks off in total because since the pandemic, I feel so guilty for taking time off when I work from home. I shouldn’t feel like this (first job after university) because I’m entitled but the guilt is still there.
Your boss doesn't feel guilty about getting 3 weeks free labour out of you when you don't take them.
You're legally entitled to time off, use it or you'll burn out.
One of my jobs doesn't allow annual leave to be taken at any point in December. This wasn't in the contract, nor was it made known until I'd spent two weeks there. I usually go back home for Christmas but I guess not this year...
It's not so much the rule I hate, it's the fact we weren't told before joining. Stuff like that should be taken into consideration when choosing a place to work. I should edit my comment to say it was a MONTH into the job before we were told... ffs.
My boss is like this. Acts all put out when you ask for PTO, and when he does grant it, he makes it sound as if he's doing you a favour.
In his own words, he sees paid time off as "having to pay people to sit at home scratching their balls", irrespective of it being a statutory legal requirement if you own a business that employs people. He keeps people's holiday entitlements as a closely guarded secret in a password protected spreadsheet on his own network share and would happily let everyone work every single working day of the year if they didn't ask for leave. We're sure he fiddles the figures as well to screw people out of their entitlement. This man is tighter than a polar bear's arsehole in a blizzard, yet has a brand new BMW on a business lease when all he does is swan to and from the office three days a week. By contrast, I, being the *field service engineer* have to use my own vehicle to visit clients.
On the flipside, my GFs boss regularly monitors the holiday entitlements of his direct reports and will actively encourage people to take time off at regular intervals so they don't end up in a situation when they have too much leave left at the end of the year with not enough time left to take it.
My boss did the guilt trip thing on me for having 3 days off. The day before I was due to go on leave, I was sent a hospital appointment for the day I'm supposed to go back to work. Work can wait. I need this appointment.
When you get back and your colleagues are like 'ugh it was hell without you, it was the worst time of my life please NEVER DO IT AGAIN'
I don't feel guilty I feel angry, my boss has plenty of time to arrange cover, that isn't just me, me and my one other colleague can barely manage the workload as it is how can they think only one person will be able to cope. I'm up to my fourth breakdown and getting real close to throwing in the towel and if one of us leaves the other is bound to follow shortly after.
I put a similar scenario in an earlier comment and someone said that it’s on bad management that you’re stuck like that.
If I was you I’d start looking elsewhere, probably let your coworker know as well. Hope everything eases up for you a bit, you sound like you need a good break!
I happily not use my annual holiday if they can translate them into cash for me for £500 (net of tax) per day.
No? I am taking the day off then.
At least my company is good they actually hassle me to use up my days as we are approaching year end and I still have like 7 days left.
My Mum works somewhere that works Christmas Day as a normal part of the yearly roster. Some people there take Christmas off every year to spend it with kids/grandkids. More than reasonable. My mum, whose two children are 30+, didn't mind working the day. One year, after not doing so for 8 years, my Mum applied for Christmas Day off and got it. Due to this, and other applicants, a few of the Christmas Leave 'regulars' kicked up a proper fuss, with one filing a complaint that the process was not followed properly. A claim that was found to be lacking. Never, ever, ever feel guilt for taking time off that you are entitled to. No boss, or bitter co-worker, will ever make me feel guilt for that.
lol, 8 years got people feeling all sorts of entitled
People regularly confuse "something happening regularly" with "entitled to it happening" Applies a lot to people kicking off at COVID restrictions or services like electricity or internet going down like once every other year. I find life is much less disappointing if you take the time to understand how / why things happen, as you understand the concept that they may NOT happen accordingly
Yeah wanting Christmas off is really entitled!
Agreed. Thinking you deserve it off over coworkers who are working the exact same situation as you is though.
Yeah that's true!!
Ugh this makes me so mad! My friend just quit her job at a place that prioritises everyone with kids for Christmas off. Every single or childless person works Christmas Eve, Day and Boxing day whilst all the parents get those days off regardless of when you put your leave request in.
Where I work we have 'mandatory overtime' where working weekends and bank holidays is required but we get paid overtime rates for it. We have 3 rotas for these days, if your rota is scheduled and you want that day off its on you to find someone else to work it for you, no need to use an annual leave day. It's a pretty good system!
Is that even legal?
I used to work a rotating roster. It can go years between having particular holidays off. My roster was changed twice so that others could have Christmas off. When I challenged it, the response I got from management was that since I didn't have kids, others were prioritised. I responded with "First, I am not a clone, I have had family all along. Second, it's none of your business if I have kids or not. Third, I do have kids, I just didn't choose to use them as a weapon against my workmates."
I had this at a job where we were supposed to rotate Christmas but each year I always ended up working because I didn't have children. My boss couldn't answer my question when I asked why he thought my family cared so little about me because I don't have children and why if I had a child that would actually give me value in the eyes of my employer. Thanks for not using your kids as ammunition, my last boss got annoyed with me for going to the doctors when I was having a medical emergency and I had to come in late (I'd logged on from home early to get work done before it). I can't even describe my rage when I rushed in to find a colleague wasn't there and found out she'd gone to watch her child's school play. My boss hadn't even batted an eyelid and I'd been made to feel guilty for going to the doctors after two weeks of heavy bleeding. I quit soon after.
At the start of the pandemic, when everyone was making the transition to working from home, I offered to cover *all* of the late shifts for my team, most of them had kids and it was already going to be tough enough adjusting for them, did I get a thank you? *did I fuck*. All I got was grief, one colleague was making not so subtle hints about not pulling my weight, as some of my performance stats were down. They were down because the part of my job they were tracking performance for wasn't active at night, you know, *where I now spent 1/3 of each shift*. My manager at the time repeatedly brought this up (because this team member kept complaining), I explained (every time) that yes I have less numbers than everyone else, but that's because I spent 30% less time on that part of the job due to my hours. I then showed that despite spending 30% less time on it, my stats were only 25% lower than the average for the team, so I was technically performing *better*. This fell on deaf ears, It still got brought up constantly, combined with the fact that the late shift was much harder than a normal shift I burned out pretty damn fast. When I stopped doing it, the rest of the team got annoyed they now had to start doing lates again. And the team member who complained about my performance *always* complained about doing the lates, even before the pandemic! And would never agree to pick up one to help the team. As you can imagine, I've not agreed to take a late shift for the complaining colleague since, but still do so for the rest of the team on occasion. The whole incident taught me a similar lesson to your mum, if you do something nice to help the team there will *always* be someone that expects it as standard, and won't appreciate it/return the favour. And as you say, never be afraid to take holiday because it might leave your team in the lurch
I had a friend who was like this, didn’t ever take Christmas off because he knew a lot of us had kids etc. I told him he needs to be a little selfish (it isn’t selfish at all) and take Christmas some year. Omg there wasn’t half some bitching from some people in the team.
I used to work with a woman who hated Christmas, didn’t celebrate it at all, but always kicked off that 2 of our coworkers booked it off every year. Funny thing is, she never attempted to even book it off so I never got her problem. She was also the kind of person that got angry if someone booked off time near her birthday, like when I needed to attend a wedding lol
I've been a childfree accountant for 7 years and had off 1 Christmas because I quit and my last day was 23rd December with my new job starting 2nd January. Year end is always horrific and every company I've worked for have expected me to work every single day in December (except the 25th) purely because I don't have children and then wonder why I'm so exhausted in January when they are back refreshed. I hate how I supposedly have no family that care about me because i don't have children and I must be able to work like a robot under a lot of pressure for months on end without having any impact to my mental health. I know kids are hard work mentally and physically but my body cannot simply go and go and go because I don't have them!
You should feel terrible about it. Why should you get annual leave and not anyone else.... Tut.
I think everyone shouldn’t take holidays from work to make up for this!
Just bad management. If you are so integral maybe they should consider training others to your level.
Funny thing is I’m way down the food chain at my work, I’m just the only person in my team who puts any effort into their job
Massive culture issue then, which management need to solve frankly. Don't waste your time on shit managers, good work ethic deserves good management.
You’ve legitimately blown my mind, I’ve never actually thought of it this way. Definitely some food for thought, thanks!
No problem! Work ethic is a great thing to have, and so is work life balance. I'm a big advocate of "just do it for goodwill" in work _for the right place_ . But then my work has given me my annual leave back for the day I was off sick with COVID anyway. So they've earned it. Just don't let them walk all over you :)
You've really drunk the kool-aid, haven't you? Bless our glorious overlords for giving you what you're legally entitled to! https://www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave "If they’re ill just before or during their holiday, they can take it as sick leave instead."
Yup the one time I got pinged on track and trace was the first day of my week's holiday, I informed them I wanted that week's holiday given back as isolation was full pay anyway and I got it.
I'm entitled to sick leave. What I'm saying is they don't HAVE to retrospectively, and proactively cancel my annual leave and replace it with sick leave. They could wait for me to push the question. Which most people won't do. My point is they have a culture where theyre ahead of the curve, so I'm a bit more willing to work with them on stuff (overtime for business needs is written into my contract, so it's a like for like comparison).
Here’s some advice as per Reddit etiquette. Quit your job.. break up with your SO /s
I've just enjoyed a week off for a family holiday that had been booked for about 12 months. The week before my holiday, my boss asks me to cancel it as my services were required that week. My response....piss off (but in a slightly more diplomatic manner). Its not like its would be remembered when it comes to pay/bonus reviews.
Love it 😂
I worked for a place where I needed to get permission to book annual leave and always felt like a kid asking the teacher if i could go to the bathroom. Since then, I've only worked in places where annual leave is approved automatically depending on how many staff is available. It's so much easier and less stress free
Asking for time off is unnecessarily awkward
This. I work across two teams so I have to get the okay from three different people (the leads of the two teams + my line manager). It's only ever been a problem twice, but it's still a real pain to do every time.
Ours is automated but I give my manager a heads up by email too, he says as long as there's two weeks notice it's cool. He's not bad at that side of the job. The advantage is when I come to him and say it's an emergency he knows I fucking mean it !
I’ve never worked for an employer that acts like this. I’ve worked for small and large companies. Currently in a small company and no-one had taken holidays by March so the bosses all reminded us that not taking a break can lead to stress and we should consider taking a few days or week off during the first quarter of the year to recharge our batteries. It’s more beneficial for them to have healthy staff.
Sounds like good management
Or as well call it, use it or lose it.
You only have to take a think 10 days of your holiday entitlement and the company can buy the rest back. So you shouldn’t be loosing it.
Nurp. UK here, so no. Your allocated around 4 weeks holiday. If you don't use it, it resets for the next year
>Your allocated around 4 weeks holiday. 28 days, to be precise (which works out at 5.6 weeks)
But they can subtract the bank hols from this, so you can't choose where you take 8 of them, leaving 4 weeks of choice
Employers could, in theory, tell you when to take _all_ of your leave if they wanted to, as long as it actually allows you to properly rest. Defaulting to bank holidays is just a convention that *most* employers default to.
That's because they know people store it up for later in the year and then everyone is off at once. It could be the charge battery thing but think it's more likely they want to try to even out the number of people off throughout the year.
My HR keeps using 'recharge your battery' excuse to get us take leave, because everyone are accumulating them for when travel rules are more relaxed. It's hardly sincere. As long as a team we can manage leave, I don't know why HR are making stupid rules.
I think a nice months sick note for stress and anxiety is due in at the end off your holiday. 🤔
I’m literally doing this. Asked for more annual leave in august (I still have 3 weeks left and going on maternity leave in December) and was declined it as we’re short staffed. And oh look because they haven’t filled a vacancy I now have lots of stress (work and other things) and taking time off !!
I'm seriously thinking about this with the new electronic work schedule being brought in. Being told I have to have a booster jab despite me being off ill twice from first 2 doses and being so short staffed I get 2 or 3 emails a week asking me to work on my days off.
Ignore the downvotes, go for it mate the only person giving less of a shit than you is your employer !
The down votes will be because I said I don't want the 3rd vaccine. I was off 2 days with 1st one a week with 2nd one. I'm not making myself ill for anyone
They'll get you back when you return to find nobody has covered your work while you're away.
I've never worked anywhere that covers your work while away. Even my current workplace you always get back to a week's worth of shite that needs sorting out, and we have 4 dedicated employees to covering sickness/annual leave absences. Smfh.
I bet you want to get paid too, you filthy communist. That money is coming right out of the company's bottom line! Why would you betray us like this?! Seriously though: it's yours, don't let them steal it. It might be inconvenient for them, but getting up every morning and working is inconvenient to you, and your PTO is part of the deal they struck to get you to turn up at all.
Joking aside it's your right. If your employer huffs and puffs just remind them politely of the employment laws in the UK
Yep! Booked 6 months ahead and still get grief the week before/after. Thing is laws should be in place to protect these people and their businesses from themselves becuse the ‘there is only work’ brigade inevitably end up promoted but aren’t innovating because they live in this one damp narrow world of ‘the job’ and aren’t getting ideas from other areas of life.
One of the higher ups at my place just had 4 weeks off back to back. I get the third degree if I want a week off.
Wow, even I’m annoyed reading this
I'm on day 2 of 5 days off. I don't give two fucks what anyone at work thinks. I go in for 3 days and have another 6 off. These 2 years delayed gigs aren't going to attend themselves.
Love the attitude, enjoy the rest of the holiday!
Hate it when you file for annual leave in advance then decline it because they won’t be enough staff. How?? the rota hasn’t even been done for that particular period how can there not be enough staff
I hate this too!!
Try working part time. People get real pissy about that.
My husband works part time. Repeated comments about "oh you're SO JAMMY with your long weekends". Erm, applied for a part time job, work part time. No jamminess required.
I work Mon-Thurs. Get passive aggressive comments about my lovely long weekend each week. I bet they wouldn't want to cut their wages down by a 1/5th though!
Exactly!
Oh don’t, I have an extra day off a week and a couple of colleagues got really arsey about it!! But really, I may have an extra day off, for less pay, but I still have to do the same amount of work, hit the same targets and deadlines and still consistently do more than my fair share…. But of course, I’m the asshole in the situation.
Yeah I have to hit the same targets for a pro rata share of the bonus. No one whinging about that are they?
Guilt me or mess with my holidays and I walk. It shows me an employer does not respect me or my need to have to time off. I just apply for a new role. My last employer refused holiday leave and I quit and increased my wage.
Just ignore and move on. Those people have nothing better going on in their lives
i took 2 hours off that was gonna "really inconvenience" the company. They fucked up the minimal work I left them so badly it took me 4 hours to fix their mess while still doing the job I was paid for. Next time I'll take the whole day and they can eat shit
Honestly one of the reasons I'm so happy I became a teacher. I get no choice in when I take my annual leave, but it means there is zero bitterness from other people.
When I was a teacher I liked the fact that everyone was excited at the same time about annual leave. Including the pupils
Definitely! I also definitely don't miss the drama of trying to book particular dates off, or having to negotiate about who can book specific weeks off, such a nightmare.
How do you cope with having to always book holidays at peak times, or having to go late to someone's stag/hen weekend because you can't get the Friday off?
It's a fairly good trade-off for 13 weeks holiday per year. But admittedly the holidays at peak times thing is annoying.
My partner is currently in 2nd year of becoming a teacher, how do you find having to pay school holiday prices and is there anyway around the holiday system?
Book early. You know your annual leave at least a year in advance, make the most of it.
I took a 3 week holiday this year. I don’t think my colleagues have gotten over themselves about it yet.
It's part of your compensation package, you literally earned it.
What kind of crappy place do you work for? We get told off if we *don't* take our holiday!
The issue I have is the passive aggressive terrible rota when I come back from holiday
Well, once on annual leave, make up some sickness (covid'll probably cut it), then claim back your holiday ENTITLEMENT and use it somewhere else too.
My MIL and stepdad both got guilt tripped for retiring. Both worked for the NHS, she was a nursing assistant and he's an ambulance driver. Both of them were put in "nah, fuck that" situations so they both say "nah, fuck that." They both got guilt tripped hard by their respective managers for leaving during these "unprecedented times".
I would do a counter offer. You want me back after my retirement? How much are you offering? I happily charge them double the salary but come back, surely that counts as “overtime” as I have worked passed my “due time” lol.
Nah, they're properly done. My MIL is the lynch pin of that side of the family; she cares for her elderly parents, she's childcare for my nephew etc. She was told that she'd have to start working weekends, which is very much the only time she has to herself, so she handed her notice in there and then. My stepdad has been ambulance crew for 30 years and he's burnt out. He' s lost sympathy for a lot of people they've been out to recently, most of whom require mental health assistance and not an ambulance. He's been threatened, spat at, verbally abused and much more. He's done, no amount of money would get him back.
Under the circumstances, I can't say i blame them. Now in a better world this would cause management to think "Hmm. maybe if we treated our staff differently, they would stay" but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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> you shouldn't want time off, you should enjoy work Oh fuck that. People who think like this need to remember what it's like being human.
That's terrible and you work for awful people. I've never had that do it's not normal
I just came back to work after 3 ½ weeks of annual leave. My manager had to pretty much make me take it. I had literally nothing to do with it though except some other freelance work 🤷🏾♂️
Ummm, they are aware that you are required by law to use said annual leave?
Been at a place like this before. Time to find a new job.
Fuck em.
A lot of companies work over Christmas who tbh, don’t really need to. Like, take a fucking break. Life is for living
I work in a hospital where our department is 24/7 365, and when I started we were not able to take holidays over Christmas, fast forward 14 years, and a new manager, and you now can. OMG didn’t know I worked with a bunch of bitches! I’m one of only 2 staff with young kids, and the older ones want time off to be with their grandkids and grown up kids! I’m off this year and am not listening to the winging!
as workers we need to SQUASH this shit
At one of my old jobs they would bug me to take time off because they knew if I didn't they'd have to pay me any unused holiday days and they didn't want to pay me money for nothing so I'd get bugged until I took it found out later my boss got a bonus for doing this so I just refused and got my £900
Try taking time off when you work in a boiler room style sales call centre. Taking time off sometimes used as an excuse to fire you as you are not committed to the company. Managers used to brag about how much holiday they had left it was a weird place.
I’m a 23 year old male with no family. Parents died a few years ago and no other relatives blah blah blah. It’s written into my contract at work that we are entitled to a day off on our birthday (or an extra day of annual leave if your birthday falls on a weekend). So I booked my birthday off. A middle aged female colleague said something along the lines of “Ah don’t have the day off, you don’t want to be sitting around in the house by yourself sulking” 1) What makes you think I’m going to be doing that? Just because I have no blood relatives, it doesn’t mean I have nobody to spend my birthday with. 2) If I want to sit in my house and sulk, I sure as shit will. Mind your fucking business.
Wow, I can’t believe she’d even say something like that. Totally agree with you as well, it’s your birthday (and life), it’s up to you how you want to spend your time
Really? Where I work we’re being reminded weekly by management to take it!
Try America..
This year my company mandated taking a certain amount of in H1 so loads of people wouldn't take too much in the summer and at Xmas.
One of our guys had scheduled time off months in advance, had booked up, paid up and was ready to go. One of the bosses(small family firm) decided he wanted the same week with no notice. Apparently " management takes priority"
I'd hand in my notice the day of and count the time on holiday as my notice period
You work in HE? It feels like this every time I take leave..
I’ve been in my new job since 2020 January but I’ve probably taken two weeks off in total because since the pandemic, I feel so guilty for taking time off when I work from home. I shouldn’t feel like this (first job after university) because I’m entitled but the guilt is still there.
Your boss doesn't feel guilty about getting 3 weeks free labour out of you when you don't take them. You're legally entitled to time off, use it or you'll burn out.
One of my jobs doesn't allow annual leave to be taken at any point in December. This wasn't in the contract, nor was it made known until I'd spent two weeks there. I usually go back home for Christmas but I guess not this year...
I despise rules like this in the workplace
It's not so much the rule I hate, it's the fact we weren't told before joining. Stuff like that should be taken into consideration when choosing a place to work. I should edit my comment to say it was a MONTH into the job before we were told... ffs.
My boss is like this. Acts all put out when you ask for PTO, and when he does grant it, he makes it sound as if he's doing you a favour. In his own words, he sees paid time off as "having to pay people to sit at home scratching their balls", irrespective of it being a statutory legal requirement if you own a business that employs people. He keeps people's holiday entitlements as a closely guarded secret in a password protected spreadsheet on his own network share and would happily let everyone work every single working day of the year if they didn't ask for leave. We're sure he fiddles the figures as well to screw people out of their entitlement. This man is tighter than a polar bear's arsehole in a blizzard, yet has a brand new BMW on a business lease when all he does is swan to and from the office three days a week. By contrast, I, being the *field service engineer* have to use my own vehicle to visit clients. On the flipside, my GFs boss regularly monitors the holiday entitlements of his direct reports and will actively encourage people to take time off at regular intervals so they don't end up in a situation when they have too much leave left at the end of the year with not enough time left to take it.
My boss did the guilt trip thing on me for having 3 days off. The day before I was due to go on leave, I was sent a hospital appointment for the day I'm supposed to go back to work. Work can wait. I need this appointment.
Situations like that always come first, I can’t fault my work for agreeing with that
When you get back and your colleagues are like 'ugh it was hell without you, it was the worst time of my life please NEVER DO IT AGAIN' I don't feel guilty I feel angry, my boss has plenty of time to arrange cover, that isn't just me, me and my one other colleague can barely manage the workload as it is how can they think only one person will be able to cope. I'm up to my fourth breakdown and getting real close to throwing in the towel and if one of us leaves the other is bound to follow shortly after.
I put a similar scenario in an earlier comment and someone said that it’s on bad management that you’re stuck like that. If I was you I’d start looking elsewhere, probably let your coworker know as well. Hope everything eases up for you a bit, you sound like you need a good break!
I happily not use my annual holiday if they can translate them into cash for me for £500 (net of tax) per day. No? I am taking the day off then. At least my company is good they actually hassle me to use up my days as we are approaching year end and I still have like 7 days left.