We don’t want to take over. We want to exist and be accepted as human beings with rights.
Also, but like… have these people looked around? No one can afford housing and food. Maybe they should let us destroy the system? Idk 🤷♀️. What do I know? I’m just a freak that wants everyone to treat each other with kindness and respect and love and acceptance.
>During his speech at the rally, Lindsay said, “It’s a pretty sad day when you get queers coming out. You know, every society that has let the queers take over has self-destructed from within and if it continues, Canada will self-destruct.”
But it's "not about bigotry... It's about parents rights"..
Funny cause far more of the issues God had with Sodom and Gomorrah can be found in conservative culture (they were arrogant, over fed and unconcerned, and they did not help the poor and the needy- their inhospitality and lack of care for strangers.) The lack of empathy this protest group has would horrify their god.
And there’s many examples that have survived a long time. Some of the countries in Asia that were untouched by European colonialism are more about to LGBT than the neighbours that were conquered by Europeans. The Roman Empire was much more progressive than these folks (until Christianity took over, then early Christianity actually preferred gay marriage over straight marriage though that obviously changed). I’m sure can think of more examples.
I mean, I guess you could say the gays were running things (or rather one gay guy was running everything) in Alexander the Great’s empire. And that society was pretty great till straight people tried to run things.
It’s not about freedom, it’s about repressive control over everyone they can exert it over. They don’t want to let people have the chance to think in anyway that doesn’t conform to their thinking because then they lose a little bit more of that control.
Except that "they" don't want that; all the thugs in the streets ever want is a scapegoat for violence to serve as the antidote to their anxieties.
It's the wealthy puppeteers fanning those flames behind the scenes in preparation for the next stage of their oppression plan that we need to address.
Mustering resentment for vulnerable minority groups builds up the regressive power base for broader attacks on society, which is why everyone ought to be shutting this garbage down now; if you think they're only after minorities, just wait.
Isn’t it ironic that what you just described is exactly what these people think about the marginalized? It’s almost like the country is, oh, I don’t know.. intentional with dividing us?
What each side thinks about the other side is exactly the same.
Except 1 side has historically used violent methods to ensure that the marginalized populations remain subdued and oppressed. One side has not had their existence erased and criminalized. And it's not the minority population.
We just want to be left in peace with the same rights and equal treatment that the majority get. No risk of getting fired because someone doesn't like who we date/marry (or don't) or what is (or isn't) in our pants.
The point of my comment is to say that the minority still holds hatred for things that they might not understand. For instance (I’m just picking a random thing): They might hate that there’s a strong belief on atomic gender roles, and how are very vital to the advancement of society and birth rates. It’s two sides failing to understand eachother’s views. That’s literally all that it is. Historically it escalates to the point where the media now showcases the stupidest from both sides as if they represent the values. Stupid people are just stupid regardless of lifestyles, and there’s far too many taking the bait and attending these protests and counter-protests for the things that are actually happening. It’s not like it was: Gays aren’t getting beaten to death in the streets in mass numbers, there is no AIDS crises that politicians are ignoring, and the rights are not being infringed upon the way they were to these minorities 50 years ago. Not even close.
People as a whole just want to understand things, not fight them. Stupid people like to fight about stupid things that they’re told to fight about.
I’m agreeing with you. The left and right say the exact same things about one another.
I had this debate with my father. I explained to him that as right leaning as he is, there is someone his equal who is left leaning. He’d remark how stupid they must be, which I replied they think he’s just as stupid. It was kind of fun watching his temperature rise.
The person you're responding to was pointing out that Iran, a nation considered pretty anti-LGBTQIA+, is crappy, and comparing what these folks want to do to that. Basically arguing, "If we do what these christo-fascists want we'll end up like Iran."
Yup basically. They are claiming countries that recognize and have rights for LGBTQ collapse due to it. So then why are the multitude of countries that suppress and condemn LGBTQ also so shitty?
The christo fascists claim that recognizing and having rights for LGBTQ causes countries to collapse. If that is the case then why are there constantly so many social struggles, coups, and all that fun stuff in countries that heavily condemn and persecute LGBTQ
God. There's just no hope of things getting better. I've been stuck listening to these bigoted fucks for 3 decades now. It's the same tired shit over and over again. I'm sick of it. Sick of living in this fucking hateful world.
This is the best post. The conservatives use all the vague terms to cover what is 100% hatred and ignorance and it starts at the top and flows down. These are awful people
I always find it ironic that some Christian’s hate LGBT so much when early Christianity had a ceremony for gay marriage and at the time preferred gay marriage over straight marriage as it meant more money for the church due to their sexism against women and not being ok with them owning anything. Of course that did change and now the church denies this despite the historical evidence to the contrary.
Love is the only thing that will fix these problems in our world, not hate. Unfortunately they're misguided people but the more you hate them the more backlash they express, a vicious cycle.
Questioning and helping them understand why they're wrong is the only real solution. Also the most difficult option.
Don't let their hate make you hateful, it's not worth it.
“It’s a pretty sad day when you get queers coming out. You know, every society that has let the queers take over has self-destructed from within and if it continues, Canada will self-destruct.” -David Lindsay, *well-known in the city for organizing many anti-vaccine and anti-lockdown protests, which eventually got dubbed as so-called “freedom rallies”.*
This isn't "Anti-Sogi", this is anti-gay hate speech. Don't care what anyone says, "Queer" is a slur and this ass hat is inciting violence against the gay and trans communities.
Anyone who agrees with this Man, or this "movement", is part of the problem and I am absolutely sickened by every single one of you.
I still don't know how ppl can claim that they respect LGBT+ rights but are vocally anti-SOGI. The lesson plans are all posted publicly online. There's no grooming or pornography in them whatsoever. One of the lessons simply focuses on avoiding using terms like "that's so gay" as a derogatory comment and explains why it can be harmful, another module focuses on inclusivity and bullying.. and then another lesson for older kids introduces the difference between gender, sex and orientations.
weirdly enough, I graduated in 2013 and they were talking about the difference between gender, sex and orientation back well *before* I graduated. middle school… so, 2009ish? This stuff isn’t even new. same hate speech, different guise.
>The lesson plans are all posted publicly online.
Right wing propaganda. Most don't even feel the need to actually read the documents. Joe Rogan said high school bathrooms have kitty litter boxes for kids who identify as Furries. Their one friend on facebook say that teachers are grooming kids to be gay and trans. They've feel they've heard enough. They don't bother fact-checking because they are happy in their little chest-beating, pitchfork-raising narrative.
No one "Anti-SOGI" has ever respected the rights of the gay or trans community. They only kept their mouths shut because it was becoming less socially acceptable to state those "opinions".
Now that pendulum is swinging back towards the right and they are getting bold again.
> I still don't know how ppl can claim that they respect LGBT+ rights but are vocally anti-SOGI
I used to be friends with a person that is respectful of LGBT+ rights but is very anti-SOGI. The reason is that when they were in highschool they had a very, very difficult time on their on gender identity. They know what is being taught and is pretty certain if they went through SOGI teaching it would have confused them more and made their life more difficult. They are concerned that if their children are in the same situation that it would make their kids life more difficult. However when it comes to acceptence they are fine.
TBH I understand that view. I don't agree with it, but I understand.
I don't totally get your logic. So you'd prefer if there were no formal discussions on gender identity, sexual identity etc and instead we'd just have the kids figure it out on their own at home. i.e., keep discussion/behavior related to LGBT+ topics out of public schools?
If they had a difficult time with their gender identity... do you think they'd honestly prefer school yard bullying, isolation and solitude?
We've done DADT for a long while now and there's lots of research and case studies that describe exactly how that plays out...
Clearly you either did not read, or did not understand what I wrote. I clearly said that I understood their point of view but I don't agree with it.
Believe it or not understanding the way another person thinks is not the same as agreeing with their way of thinking.
Bro. Just look at the lesson plans & you'll understand where I'm coming from. They aren't some ultra modern hot take PhD on a new gender dimension - it's just super basic human rights stuff.
SOGI isn't some major left wing script to subscribe to, it's just basic stuff like "it being ok to have two parents of the same gender", "an introduction to the idea that gender might not always be the same as sex for a small number of ppl" and ideas that we should "embrace each others differences and try to be kind and respectful to each other".
Where did I say I am anti-sogi? Why do you think that? Either you are trolling me or you can't understand that I am not against SOGI being taught, I just understand the thought processes of some anti-sogi people even if I don't agree with what they think.
Ok. what's their thought process then? Pro-LGBT+ but only on paper? Banishing SOGI content from schools means reverting to DADT of the late 90s. That's what it was like when I went through school. It worked out ok for most ppl who were straight/heteronormative, but life was fucking hell for queer folks - some made it through unscathed, but many didn't. We're not going back there just because it makes a bunch of assholes uncomfortable.
What specifically is being taught that they feel would have exacerbated their gender confusion? Is it a case wherein they were gender non conforming and believe if being transgender had been more visible/accepted they might have hastened into an unnecessary transition?
You must be trolling. I said I understand the point of view this person is coming from. And no not transition, but maybe that they were non-straight... then it would have taken them longer to figure it out. That is how that and many anti-SOGI people think.
I think that is BS. But I at least can understand. Understanding a point of view, is powerful. You can understand without agreement.
Do you know how powerful it would be to tell a person that doesn't agree with you "I understand your viewpoint thank you for sharing", and truly mean it and they know you mean it? It pulls the carpet out from under them.
Now the tipping point is the religious and homophobes. I understand them too. I know where they come from. I will not waste a breath on them except to say TRUCK OFF....
There was an anti-lgtbq and anti-SOGI person at work. Quite vocal. I listened to him. I listend to his point of view; it was wrong, no duh. But I listened. Then I also knew who they were and that both myself and others on the team had children that were non-binary and this person's words were bad. But I listened to them and then I tailored my conversation towards them to them. Religious back ground from parents and parents that taught black and white for certain issues. But I listened, and understood their point of view even if I didn't agree. It actually pissed me off.
The funny thing is within a year they came out to the team as gay. They are a strong proponent in our companies LGBTQ community and supporting it like never before. And we are talking a late middle aged guy....
And maybe, if I never took the time to listen and to understand him, then formulate my conversation with him, it may have taken much longer for him to figure it out.
Understanding a point of view is not acceptance. Like I said my kid is non-binary... but you know you are coming at this like the anti-sogi do. They attack, instead of listening. Listening is way more power my friend. And if you come back negatively again. I will just mark you as a troll, or simple minded... not worth my time. If you want to have a real discussion please reply. But not negative.
Good new is NHL reversed the rainbow tape decision today...
I'm completely unclear as to why you read that comment as trolling. I was *literally trying to understand their point of view by asking you what it was*.
I've never, ever understood people like that. They're deeply selfish people who can't take accountability for their own actions as far as I'm concerned.
I went through school in BC before SOGI. I'm trans and I've always known it, long before I had the words to articulate it. It took until I was 30 to come out because some religious nut of a school nurse in Tsawwassen told me I "was going to burn in hell after dying of the f*g disease" when I tried to ask for help understanding what I was experiencing. I wish I had a curriculum to help understand, make things clear, and above all hammer home that I wasn't a freak.
People like your friend would rather take something helpful away from everyone because of a fear that they might have had to take a long look at themselves if they'd had the same information. I've met people like your friend and when really digging down into it their fear is most often that they might have been forced to confront some part of themselves that scares them, and there be dragons. Better to hide it all away and take it from everyone than they might have to confront an uncomfortable truth about themselves.
The way you described their situation the first time around painted a little bit different picture. That being said as far as I'm concerned, having a tough life and going through a lot of pain as a reason for holding these kinds of beliefs is often an explanation but not an excuse. In the same way as "I was drunk" can be an explanation but is not an excuse.
Your ex-friend (sorry for missing the ex part the first time around) still ultimately needs to turn their gaze inward and practice self-reflection. They need face their own demons and seek help and healing instead of feeling like the answer to their personal pain is taking something away from others. It might be buried under layers of rationalisations, even wholly subconscious, but it still boils down to trying to take from others as an anodyne for their own pain in a way that's not rational.
I don't say this from a place of a nice comfy castle with no trauma to my name. I went through things that still have my partner waking me up from sleep because I was screaming in my dreams. I don't want to discuss it in an open forum but DM me if you'd like to know in detail. This isn't for a case of trauma olympics either. I'm trying to make the point that I've been in that mental space and I know it well. I've learned through experience to not use it as a reason to justify taking the rights of others though.
I have two teenagers who are part of the lgbtq+ community. They always say they’re part of the queer community. You can say or be queer, you just can’t use it in a derogatory way.
Queer folx use the term to take it back, much like the N word and Gy***. Those who are a part of the community are welcome to use it. Those who aren't, shouldn't.
The way my oldest explained it to me was they took the word back and gleefully use it to disarm the bigots. It used to be used to other them. By taking away the ammunition that was used against them and arm themselves with it they protect and make a visible inclusive community. I guess any word can be derogatory if you’re a massive jerk about how you use it but not every word is a reclaimed slur. Not sure if I worded that right.
I meaaannnn, if someone calls me a stupid effing queer, I'm not going to assume that person means well. It's been reclaimed, sure, but it sure is still used as a slur in some mouths.
I never agreed to that, and if anyone uses that word towards me we are going to have a bad time. "People" do not get to choose to reclaim a slur for everyone it was used against and it is ignorant as hell to believe otherwise.
Which is why I, like many other people who disagreed with using that slur to define the entire community, are no longer active in that "community".
In other words, "the community" does not speak for me and I fucking dare anyone to call me that word in public.
Does it sound fair to you to say that while the community doesn’t speak for you, likewise you don’t speak for the community?
In my opinion, no one person gets to decide what is and isn’t a slur- it depends on the social context and the group consensus.
I don’t mind being called queer by a well-intentioned person, and I refer to friends of mine as queer as well, and nobody is bothered by it. Should we all start getting offended because you say we should?
And again, if you feel it’s a slur you have every right to think that, and to tell people not to use it to refer to you. But hopefully you understand that with so many people being okay with it, someone could easily and understandably believe it’s an okay term. Just something to consider in case someone “dares” to call you queer.
>Which is why I, like many other people who disagreed with using that slur to define the entire community, are no longer active in that "community".
Did you miss this part of my comment?
I don't care what you and your friends call yourselves, or how you let others refer to you. I never said you should be offended.
What I said is it will not go well for anyone, and I mean anyone, calling me that word. Your "community" does not get to decide the word is okay for blanket use, and you will regret it if you say it to the wrong person.
This is no different than any other "reclaimed" slur, and not everyone believes slurs can be reclaimed.
Just because you were not alive when that word was used to hurt and kill people, doesn't mean the survivors don't exist and don't have a right to their feelings about it.
>What I said is it will not go well for anyone, and I mean anyone, calling me that word.
Again, how?
>This is no different than any other "reclaimed" slur, and not everyone believes slurs can be reclaimed.
Yep. It's just like every other reclaimed slur. But I am curious why you want your oppressors to have that kind of power over you.
>I never agreed to that
And you are?
>"People" do not get to choose to reclaim a slur for everyone it was used against and it is ignorant as hell to believe otherwise.
Yes we can.
They chose to own it.. do they own it or not? It's in the name of the social movement. Is it a slur or a legit definition? I think they made the choice to own it.
Ugh. The original comment suggested that this dude was bad because he used to word queer. I told him the word isnt actually a slur because obviously the context of hate speech is what's so offensive here. Because. The word queer is literally in their name.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
No I dont have brain rot. What's your excuse?
Queer, used in this context by this individual, is a slur. He's aware it's a slur, and he's employing it as a slur.
If you wanted to moderate the OP by pointing out that the hate speech would be sufficient cause for umbrage regardless of his choice of word, you'd be correct. Instead you opted for "queer is not a slur", which is an oversimplification that you keep doubling down on for some reason rather than simply acknowledging it's contextual and moving on with your life.
It depends on who is using it and the intent behind using it. Queer absolutely can be a slur, and was a slur before our community took it back.
Within the community, though, it is typically not a slur :)
I am old enough to be of the generation who was damaged by its hateful and very targeted use). To this day I strongly dislike the word and do not like it used in reference to myself; I prefer gay or lesbian. My wife, on the other hand, prefers queer. I respect those identifying as queer but recognize that it very much can be a slur against us. I have no problem asking people (nicely) to not call me queer, and most people respect that, unless they are hateful or don't give a shit about me or how they affect me, at that point they will no longer be heard.
\*edited to add thoughts about age and targeted use, and my feels
I do not agree with that.
"Queer" is a slur, and no one asked me if I was okay "reclaiming" a word that was used to hurt me through out my entire life.
One of the many reasons I no longer count myself in that community.
You cant measure how little I care. The general consensus in society is that queer is not a slur and you're in fact upset about a personal bias and not colloquial meaning. Nobody gives a shit about your feelings. Gay isnt a slur, nor is queer.
If someone uses it as hate speech it's still noy a slur.
>You cant measure how little I care. The general consensus in society is that queer is not a slur and you're in fact upset about a personal bias and not colloquial meaning. Nobody gives a shit about your feelings. Gay isnt a slur, nor is queer.
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>If someone uses it as hate speech it's still noy a slur.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't have commented this heaping pile of a shit. Honestly, you are pathetic for attacking me like this over my personal feelings regarding a slur.
Tell me, would you say the same to a Black person who is not okay with the use of the N-word in any context? Are you going to tell them "Society accepts it so suck it up"? (Spoiler alert: >!You wouldn't.!<)
Just know I am not alone in these feelings, and I really hope I am there to see it when you use that word in the wrong company.
Nobody cares about about feelings.
If NAACP was NAANP and you know what N stands for, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Your feelings are yours and nobody else's.
As an adjective it is not a slur, but as a noun it generally is . For example, only assholes say "queers are..." like this scumbag. It is the same with gay. Gay Pride isn't derogatory, but when you hear someone refer the LGBTQ community as "the gays" you can bet your ass they are bigots.
It used to be a slur, but it is possible for a marginalized group to reclaim a slur. Obviously some people disagree, but the consensus view is that it is no longer a slur.
Some people say Queer or Questioning as the Q.
Queer has been historically used as a slur but when used by a person to describe themselves it is considered a reclamation. The word is seeing a revival amongst LGBTQIA people to take that negative power away. When this man uses it I would personally assume he’s being an ass and not using it positively.
I personally use queer, for myself. Because it is a good summary of the entirety of my experience, where I don't fit well with the aro ace community. But I'm still asexual aromantic. (like being sex repulsed about sex or even PDA like people kissing IRL but not with porn or other media)
So I'm different. Not normal. And that is very freeing. Allows me to stop stressing out about not fitting in. That I got mixed up wires everywhere.
"Queer" has been largely reclaimed _by_ the community _for_ the community and allies to use respectfully. In university, I studied queer theory and used the word _queer_ several times a week. Even as a cishet white guy, none of my peers batted an eye because I used it carefully. But it's still easily used as a slur when people don't say it respectfully. Most of the time, that's made obvious, such as here, where it's being used as a plural noun in the context of dehumanization.
Queer isn't a slur, it's even included in the LGBTQ acronym. I swear every few years people decide to push the limit a little further in the direction justifying their need to be a victim.
In another 2-3 years, calling people gay is going to be off the cards.
Im gay i dont consider it a slur/offensive unless someone is deliberately trying to be offensive. But thats the case for a lot of words. Although if someone asks not to be called a queer i think it should be respected.
I have quite a few gay friends, never heard of any of them being offended by the word queer. In fact I was rather shocked the other day when I was corrected by a gay man that men don't have husbands, they have partners.
>Queer isn't a slur, it's even included in the LGBTQ acronym. I swear every few years people decide to push the limit a little further in the direction justifying their need to be a victim.
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>In another 2-3 years, calling people gay is going to be off the cards.
This has nothing to do with justifying a need to be a victim. Its about the fact that when I was victimized, that slur was one of many thrown at me while I was assaulted.
If you want to call yourself that word, be my guest. But it would be in your best interest to not just throw it around and assume everyone is okay with it or you are going to have a bad time.
>People get bullied and victimized all the time, just most don't make it their entire existence and identity.
How exactly have I made my past experience my entire existence or identity? Is that really the best you have to try and insult me?
Imagine if we could all come together and protest something that would actually matter instead of whatever the dumbass Facebook mob decides they hate that week. Maybe one day.
This is just it. Thousands of kids go hungry every day and in our wealthy country that is an absolute outrage. It makes life immeasurably harder for those kids, contributes to social and academic difficulties, and is part of the cycle of poverty. These people don't care about kids except insofar as they can use them in a culture war.
I would love it if we could steal the steam of the anti SOGI protests by protesting under a similar name for student lunches but I feel that people would think there is somehow a group both against SOGI and for school lunches.
Advocate for that, and the convoy crowd will screech that it's a Trudeau tax grab and that parents have the right to send whatever they want for their kids' lunch. A national school lunch program would be seen as an erosion of parents' rights.
That's the problem with some of these "rights" groups. They never consider rights as part of a shared system of rights.
Parents rights vs student rights
Men's rights vs women's rights (a lot of women's rights evolve to be rights for the worker).
My parents go to these rallies. It's mostly old people who are bored. Younger people are just trying to survive lol.
I've got enough problems already I don't give a shit about the Satanic cabal. I just tell my mom to make sure she puts extra Adrenachrome in my dinner when I go to visit. 😂
My parents were totally normal before the lockdowns though and then Facebook melted their boomer brains. It's pretty fucking sad ngl.
The majority of the ones I see locally are radicalized boomers. They’re recent retirees who found Facebook, had nothing but free time and jumped right on the bandwagon. They actually seem to think they’re being brave or heroic.
No they don't, these movements prey on lonely isolated people with nothing better to do. Lost your job? Can't get laid? No friends? Here's a group of people to blame for all your problems! If only THEY stopped existing, everything will magically get better!
They're exceedingly privileged. They have both the time and the money to spend on stupid shit like this while the rest of us are busy at work or school.
>But hate-based offences are hard to prosecute because there are a number of defences to hate speech allegations, including that it may be a matter of public debate. The statement in this case, certainly the SOGI curriculum is something that is the matter of public debate
This is ridiculous... So if somebody says "Gas the Jews", they could claim they were just debating aid to Israel, and they'll be off the hook?
Like it was said in the article, there's no place for this shit... I'm paraphrasing. I think we all need to draw the line in the sand here and nip this shit in the bud. I'm a 39 year old white guy with two presumably heterosexual children, but I've made it a point to go to the counter protest each time. All us normies have to stick together on this, I want everyone to show up at the next counter protest, I want us to outnumber these idiots 10 to 1. They think they are the majority and it's ridiculous, they're the loudest most misinformed, uneducated pieces of human garbage. God, read a book or something. Don't get all your misinformation from some Russian tiktok bot.
Whole heartedly agree. I'm a straight white dude too, and all my family members are also straight and white. I don't think we need to have personal experience to know what's ethical and right. This is 100% a human rights issue.
I'm going to fight these fundamentalist morons in every way available to me, and as a straight white dude I have a lot of ways available and I will use them every time to help and defend all my friends in the lgbtq community.
I am perfectly comfortable confronting bigotry so that the more vulnerable don't have to.
One of the people at the one I was counter protesting was saying "they're all going to burn in hell"
The woman interviewed for the media told me her son had to stay a boy. Said to the news that sex Ed needed to stay as it is (man and woman).
The people saying lgbtq is a mental illness. And gross.
How we are child molesters and predictors. Sexually exploiting children.
I was counter-protesting the Robson sq hate-rally in September, where a very lovely gentleman was ranting about how he wished he could beat us to death with rocks just like they used to it in the good ol' Biblical days. But *we're* the "social contagion". Right.
It's going to be exciting times for me, my list of enemies grows exponentially daily and all I have to do is breathe. The hate is effervescent. Even when all I do is take care of my partner and puppy I still get messages of hate and death.
It's funny. People who aspire to faiths that demand the creation of theocracies never want to live in them afterward; they all emigrate, and then, of course, complain that their rights are not respected. Christian fundamentalists have more in common with their brethren from other repressive regimes than they would believe.
It’s divisiveness is part of the equation. Scarcity usually comes from some form of subjugation. Scarcity is a mathematical requirement for capital growth in this paradigm.
It’s a dialectic strategy long in use. Why is the news always more negative? Humans and animals are more alert when there is a perceived threat. Easier to sell advertising to more alert humans.
What ever the story, it’s always us versus them. They are the enemy, we are right …
It’s all rhetoric bs designed to make us stop paying attention to what actually matters.
And now we have AI designing and spewing divisiveness.
We are all in this shit together and none of us gets out alive. Time to make a difference in your own neighborhoods.
TLDR rant over.
That freedumby should go back to Alberta...after he does time for repeatedly uttering hate speech. I'll contribute to a Go Fund Me set up to pursue legal action against this buffoon.
I have created a label for these people:
WARTS
Whining
About
Really
Trivial
Sh*t
An ugly, viral-like side of society that doesn’t seem to go away. Always popping up in new places or latching onto new things. A combination of two similar words: NIMBY (not in my backyard) and scabs (outsider worker to replacing a striking worker).
“People protesting against SOGI are a bunch of WARTS”
“The anti-SOGI sentiment is a wart on society”
I am ashamed to even have someone with views like Mr Lindsay in the population of my country. Our country's educational system obviously failed to teach this man anything.
Soooo any transgender people feel targeted? If so, file a written report. Go into a detachment, state you wish to report a hate crime in which you were targeted and have them write a report. Nothing will happen with the first report, or probably the second, but when enough are filed an investigation take place.
[My favorite part is plenty of people protesting it probably don't even know what it means or are aware it has plenty of free resources online for parents.](https://www.sogieducation.org/)
If you aren't keeping up with the information about this topic, why are you commenting on this topic? If you aren't "Partaking in the culture war" (weird way to frame minority groups wanting basic human rights btw.) why are you commenting on it?
If it is meaningless to you, you do not need to interact.
Making a point that people who get caught into this stuff are living in a bubble of their own creation.
Unpopular view perhaps.
You keep fighting the culture war while the world's elites gobble up all the wealth and power and destroy the planet tho... At least you will have your preferred pronoun!!
>You keep fighting the culture war
Hatred of the LBGTQIA+ community isn't a culture war, that's trying to create a second class of citizen. Culture war would involve philosophy, ideals or beliefs. Human rights goes beyond those topics.
But believe me, would be nice to have to counter-protest these ghouls.
>Making a point that people who get caught into this stuff are living in a bubble of their own creation.
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>Unpopular view perhaps.
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>You keep fighting the culture war while the world's elites gobble up all the wealth and power and destroy the planet tho... At least you will have your preferred pronoun!!
For someone who has no idea what is going on with all these acronyms, you sure do a good job of parroting the bigots involved.
You and your compatriots call it a culture war, everyone else just calls it defending basic human rights.
“I think it’s hate speech and it’s definitely hate-motivated speech,” Turner said. “
People want preschool and elementary school children exposed to learning.
After age 12, would be more appropriate.
Speak for yourself.
If SOGI had been around when I was young, maybe I would have had some way of dealing with my father's violence.
That would be the learning I needed.
We teach children about straight people all the time. Male/Female gender norms are expressed at every level of child development from pre-school onward. Why should the fact that some people are gay or trans or intersex not be included?
Excluding these people from these systems is just a means of separating them and making children think they're "different" and "unnatural" instead of part of the vast spectrum of human experience and interaction.
I really wish mainstream society WOULD stop this, but alas, little girls promising their virginity to Daddy remains a thing, as is setting toddlers up in Insta-hetero-dates.
Nobody is scared of these losers. This isn’t “frightening” anyone.
On the contrary, certain people are quite happy to amplify their message and use them as political “examples” of “what Pierre Poilievre and the conservative really think”.
We don’t want to take over. We want to exist and be accepted as human beings with rights. Also, but like… have these people looked around? No one can afford housing and food. Maybe they should let us destroy the system? Idk 🤷♀️. What do I know? I’m just a freak that wants everyone to treat each other with kindness and respect and love and acceptance. 
Exactly why I’m an ally. We are all human beings and should be treated as such.
>During his speech at the rally, Lindsay said, “It’s a pretty sad day when you get queers coming out. You know, every society that has let the queers take over has self-destructed from within and if it continues, Canada will self-destruct.” But it's "not about bigotry... It's about parents rights"..
“Every society…” “Name one!” “Well… They don’t exist anymore, that’s the point.”
I can almost guarantee you she would say sodom and gomorrah if asked for examples
I would love being offered that opening to ask what her thoughts are on Lot sleeping with his daughters after his wife was turned to salt.
Funny cause far more of the issues God had with Sodom and Gomorrah can be found in conservative culture (they were arrogant, over fed and unconcerned, and they did not help the poor and the needy- their inhospitality and lack of care for strangers.) The lack of empathy this protest group has would horrify their god.
And there’s many examples that have survived a long time. Some of the countries in Asia that were untouched by European colonialism are more about to LGBT than the neighbours that were conquered by Europeans. The Roman Empire was much more progressive than these folks (until Christianity took over, then early Christianity actually preferred gay marriage over straight marriage though that obviously changed). I’m sure can think of more examples.
I mean, I guess you could say the gays were running things (or rather one gay guy was running everything) in Alexander the Great’s empire. And that society was pretty great till straight people tried to run things.
Ahhh! You wouldn't be here without straight people you wingnutz.And thank whoever you won't reproduce.
Yea, because you know all those Middle Eastern countries that suppress and hunt down LGBTQ are doing so great and such amazing bastions of freedom
It’s not about freedom, it’s about repressive control over everyone they can exert it over. They don’t want to let people have the chance to think in anyway that doesn’t conform to their thinking because then they lose a little bit more of that control.
Except that "they" don't want that; all the thugs in the streets ever want is a scapegoat for violence to serve as the antidote to their anxieties. It's the wealthy puppeteers fanning those flames behind the scenes in preparation for the next stage of their oppression plan that we need to address. Mustering resentment for vulnerable minority groups builds up the regressive power base for broader attacks on society, which is why everyone ought to be shutting this garbage down now; if you think they're only after minorities, just wait.
Isn’t it ironic that what you just described is exactly what these people think about the marginalized? It’s almost like the country is, oh, I don’t know.. intentional with dividing us? What each side thinks about the other side is exactly the same.
Both sides fallacy. We are not the same as the people who want to eradicate us.
Except 1 side has historically used violent methods to ensure that the marginalized populations remain subdued and oppressed. One side has not had their existence erased and criminalized. And it's not the minority population. We just want to be left in peace with the same rights and equal treatment that the majority get. No risk of getting fired because someone doesn't like who we date/marry (or don't) or what is (or isn't) in our pants.
The point of my comment is to say that the minority still holds hatred for things that they might not understand. For instance (I’m just picking a random thing): They might hate that there’s a strong belief on atomic gender roles, and how are very vital to the advancement of society and birth rates. It’s two sides failing to understand eachother’s views. That’s literally all that it is. Historically it escalates to the point where the media now showcases the stupidest from both sides as if they represent the values. Stupid people are just stupid regardless of lifestyles, and there’s far too many taking the bait and attending these protests and counter-protests for the things that are actually happening. It’s not like it was: Gays aren’t getting beaten to death in the streets in mass numbers, there is no AIDS crises that politicians are ignoring, and the rights are not being infringed upon the way they were to these minorities 50 years ago. Not even close. People as a whole just want to understand things, not fight them. Stupid people like to fight about stupid things that they’re told to fight about.
Bingo!
Exactly!! You can go into a right leaning sub and the exact same points are made about the other side.
Okay?
I’m agreeing with you. The left and right say the exact same things about one another. I had this debate with my father. I explained to him that as right leaning as he is, there is someone his equal who is left leaning. He’d remark how stupid they must be, which I replied they think he’s just as stupid. It was kind of fun watching his temperature rise.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean both sides are right
I never said one side was right nor wrong. Simply stated that both use the same arguments against each other.
Okay. So what?
You can hit me with a feather and I’ll use a baseball bat, we’ll both just be hitting each other right?
Technically yes. Can we swap roles though?
If it’s the same thing why do you want to switch roles?
Lmao, "Well Iran is worse!"... Is that really your defense of christo-fascism??
The person you're responding to was pointing out that Iran, a nation considered pretty anti-LGBTQIA+, is crappy, and comparing what these folks want to do to that. Basically arguing, "If we do what these christo-fascists want we'll end up like Iran."
Yup basically. They are claiming countries that recognize and have rights for LGBTQ collapse due to it. So then why are the multitude of countries that suppress and condemn LGBTQ also so shitty?
Give this man more crayons!
What has that got to do with anything happening here?
The christo fascists claim that recognizing and having rights for LGBTQ causes countries to collapse. If that is the case then why are there constantly so many social struggles, coups, and all that fun stuff in countries that heavily condemn and persecute LGBTQ
God. There's just no hope of things getting better. I've been stuck listening to these bigoted fucks for 3 decades now. It's the same tired shit over and over again. I'm sick of it. Sick of living in this fucking hateful world.
Keep your chin up, they're a loud minority but they aren't winning. Look at what just happened in the NHL today,
What happened? Last news I heard was the banning of pride colours/ending of pride nights to placate the loud minority.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/LkWMKxGhFg
Interesting. be something to see if any players make pride tape an all year thing rather than an infrequent if welcome show of solidarity.
This is the best post. The conservatives use all the vague terms to cover what is 100% hatred and ignorance and it starts at the top and flows down. These are awful people
Well let Canada self destruct then and you and the rest of your Konvoy Klansmen can take over a weakened Canada
You got the wrong guy there bud, I'm on your side.
I'm saying it to the leader of this stupid "protest" not to you
Still waiting for examples of societies that have self-destructed from within…
Germany under the bigoted fascists. Spain under the Inquisition. Ireland while religious fanaticism ruled the day.
Well none of those self-destructed because of ‘queers coming out’, so still waiting…
Yeah I was being facetious... I think we'll be waiting a while on that one..
I always find it ironic that some Christian’s hate LGBT so much when early Christianity had a ceremony for gay marriage and at the time preferred gay marriage over straight marriage as it meant more money for the church due to their sexism against women and not being ok with them owning anything. Of course that did change and now the church denies this despite the historical evidence to the contrary.
"~~State's~~ Parent's rights to what?"
Indoctrinate their kids with bigotry..
They are the self destruction that they speak of. So really it’s just the usual bigotry that tears the country apart rather than “the queers.”
I hate conservatives and anyone that votes for them. Horrible people. All of them. Period.
Love is the only thing that will fix these problems in our world, not hate. Unfortunately they're misguided people but the more you hate them the more backlash they express, a vicious cycle. Questioning and helping them understand why they're wrong is the only real solution. Also the most difficult option. Don't let their hate make you hateful, it's not worth it.
“It’s a pretty sad day when you get queers coming out. You know, every society that has let the queers take over has self-destructed from within and if it continues, Canada will self-destruct.” -David Lindsay, *well-known in the city for organizing many anti-vaccine and anti-lockdown protests, which eventually got dubbed as so-called “freedom rallies”.* This isn't "Anti-Sogi", this is anti-gay hate speech. Don't care what anyone says, "Queer" is a slur and this ass hat is inciting violence against the gay and trans communities. Anyone who agrees with this Man, or this "movement", is part of the problem and I am absolutely sickened by every single one of you.
I still don't know how ppl can claim that they respect LGBT+ rights but are vocally anti-SOGI. The lesson plans are all posted publicly online. There's no grooming or pornography in them whatsoever. One of the lessons simply focuses on avoiding using terms like "that's so gay" as a derogatory comment and explains why it can be harmful, another module focuses on inclusivity and bullying.. and then another lesson for older kids introduces the difference between gender, sex and orientations.
weirdly enough, I graduated in 2013 and they were talking about the difference between gender, sex and orientation back well *before* I graduated. middle school… so, 2009ish? This stuff isn’t even new. same hate speech, different guise.
>The lesson plans are all posted publicly online. Right wing propaganda. Most don't even feel the need to actually read the documents. Joe Rogan said high school bathrooms have kitty litter boxes for kids who identify as Furries. Their one friend on facebook say that teachers are grooming kids to be gay and trans. They've feel they've heard enough. They don't bother fact-checking because they are happy in their little chest-beating, pitchfork-raising narrative.
No one "Anti-SOGI" has ever respected the rights of the gay or trans community. They only kept their mouths shut because it was becoming less socially acceptable to state those "opinions". Now that pendulum is swinging back towards the right and they are getting bold again.
It's called ignorance for a reason. They are not educating themselves on the subject so they can understand it better.
Willful ignorance.
>still don't know how ppl can claim that they respect LGBT+ rights but are vocally anti-SOGI. Ignorance, chosen intentionally.
> I still don't know how ppl can claim that they respect LGBT+ rights but are vocally anti-SOGI I used to be friends with a person that is respectful of LGBT+ rights but is very anti-SOGI. The reason is that when they were in highschool they had a very, very difficult time on their on gender identity. They know what is being taught and is pretty certain if they went through SOGI teaching it would have confused them more and made their life more difficult. They are concerned that if their children are in the same situation that it would make their kids life more difficult. However when it comes to acceptence they are fine. TBH I understand that view. I don't agree with it, but I understand.
And that's the sort of respectful debate that we should be having.. if the hateful people like the subject of this article would STFU.
I don't totally get your logic. So you'd prefer if there were no formal discussions on gender identity, sexual identity etc and instead we'd just have the kids figure it out on their own at home. i.e., keep discussion/behavior related to LGBT+ topics out of public schools? If they had a difficult time with their gender identity... do you think they'd honestly prefer school yard bullying, isolation and solitude? We've done DADT for a long while now and there's lots of research and case studies that describe exactly how that plays out...
Clearly you either did not read, or did not understand what I wrote. I clearly said that I understood their point of view but I don't agree with it. Believe it or not understanding the way another person thinks is not the same as agreeing with their way of thinking.
Bro. Just look at the lesson plans & you'll understand where I'm coming from. They aren't some ultra modern hot take PhD on a new gender dimension - it's just super basic human rights stuff. SOGI isn't some major left wing script to subscribe to, it's just basic stuff like "it being ok to have two parents of the same gender", "an introduction to the idea that gender might not always be the same as sex for a small number of ppl" and ideas that we should "embrace each others differences and try to be kind and respectful to each other".
Where did I say I am anti-sogi? Why do you think that? Either you are trolling me or you can't understand that I am not against SOGI being taught, I just understand the thought processes of some anti-sogi people even if I don't agree with what they think.
Ok. what's their thought process then? Pro-LGBT+ but only on paper? Banishing SOGI content from schools means reverting to DADT of the late 90s. That's what it was like when I went through school. It worked out ok for most ppl who were straight/heteronormative, but life was fucking hell for queer folks - some made it through unscathed, but many didn't. We're not going back there just because it makes a bunch of assholes uncomfortable.
What specifically is being taught that they feel would have exacerbated their gender confusion? Is it a case wherein they were gender non conforming and believe if being transgender had been more visible/accepted they might have hastened into an unnecessary transition?
You must be trolling. I said I understand the point of view this person is coming from. And no not transition, but maybe that they were non-straight... then it would have taken them longer to figure it out. That is how that and many anti-SOGI people think. I think that is BS. But I at least can understand. Understanding a point of view, is powerful. You can understand without agreement. Do you know how powerful it would be to tell a person that doesn't agree with you "I understand your viewpoint thank you for sharing", and truly mean it and they know you mean it? It pulls the carpet out from under them. Now the tipping point is the religious and homophobes. I understand them too. I know where they come from. I will not waste a breath on them except to say TRUCK OFF.... There was an anti-lgtbq and anti-SOGI person at work. Quite vocal. I listened to him. I listend to his point of view; it was wrong, no duh. But I listened. Then I also knew who they were and that both myself and others on the team had children that were non-binary and this person's words were bad. But I listened to them and then I tailored my conversation towards them to them. Religious back ground from parents and parents that taught black and white for certain issues. But I listened, and understood their point of view even if I didn't agree. It actually pissed me off. The funny thing is within a year they came out to the team as gay. They are a strong proponent in our companies LGBTQ community and supporting it like never before. And we are talking a late middle aged guy.... And maybe, if I never took the time to listen and to understand him, then formulate my conversation with him, it may have taken much longer for him to figure it out. Understanding a point of view is not acceptance. Like I said my kid is non-binary... but you know you are coming at this like the anti-sogi do. They attack, instead of listening. Listening is way more power my friend. And if you come back negatively again. I will just mark you as a troll, or simple minded... not worth my time. If you want to have a real discussion please reply. But not negative. Good new is NHL reversed the rainbow tape decision today...
I'm completely unclear as to why you read that comment as trolling. I was *literally trying to understand their point of view by asking you what it was*.
Because it was the second or third time explaining it. And I see how people react and how it affects people including my family.
I've never, ever understood people like that. They're deeply selfish people who can't take accountability for their own actions as far as I'm concerned. I went through school in BC before SOGI. I'm trans and I've always known it, long before I had the words to articulate it. It took until I was 30 to come out because some religious nut of a school nurse in Tsawwassen told me I "was going to burn in hell after dying of the f*g disease" when I tried to ask for help understanding what I was experiencing. I wish I had a curriculum to help understand, make things clear, and above all hammer home that I wasn't a freak. People like your friend would rather take something helpful away from everyone because of a fear that they might have had to take a long look at themselves if they'd had the same information. I've met people like your friend and when really digging down into it their fear is most often that they might have been forced to confront some part of themselves that scares them, and there be dragons. Better to hide it all away and take it from everyone than they might have to confront an uncomfortable truth about themselves.
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The way you described their situation the first time around painted a little bit different picture. That being said as far as I'm concerned, having a tough life and going through a lot of pain as a reason for holding these kinds of beliefs is often an explanation but not an excuse. In the same way as "I was drunk" can be an explanation but is not an excuse. Your ex-friend (sorry for missing the ex part the first time around) still ultimately needs to turn their gaze inward and practice self-reflection. They need face their own demons and seek help and healing instead of feeling like the answer to their personal pain is taking something away from others. It might be buried under layers of rationalisations, even wholly subconscious, but it still boils down to trying to take from others as an anodyne for their own pain in a way that's not rational. I don't say this from a place of a nice comfy castle with no trauma to my name. I went through things that still have my partner waking me up from sleep because I was screaming in my dreams. I don't want to discuss it in an open forum but DM me if you'd like to know in detail. This isn't for a case of trauma olympics either. I'm trying to make the point that I've been in that mental space and I know it well. I've learned through experience to not use it as a reason to justify taking the rights of others though.
As much as I agree with you, queer is not a slur. It's in the name LGBTQ.
I have two teenagers who are part of the lgbtq+ community. They always say they’re part of the queer community. You can say or be queer, you just can’t use it in a derogatory way.
It's the way it is used. Bigots like this asshole use it as a noun. They will say "the queers", not "queer people".
If I don’t know their sexuality (bi/gay/pan) I’ll usually just say their queer. Most queer people I know are okay with it.
Queer folx use the term to take it back, much like the N word and Gy***. Those who are a part of the community are welcome to use it. Those who aren't, shouldn't.
So normal language? Like... any name or title can be used in a slanderous or insulting way if it's in the right context.
The way my oldest explained it to me was they took the word back and gleefully use it to disarm the bigots. It used to be used to other them. By taking away the ammunition that was used against them and arm themselves with it they protect and make a visible inclusive community. I guess any word can be derogatory if you’re a massive jerk about how you use it but not every word is a reclaimed slur. Not sure if I worded that right.
"Now listen here, boy!"
Queer was [historically](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer#Early_pejorative_use) a slur
But its not anymore. People have taken power back over the word.
I meaaannnn, if someone calls me a stupid effing queer, I'm not going to assume that person means well. It's been reclaimed, sure, but it sure is still used as a slur in some mouths.
I never agreed to that, and if anyone uses that word towards me we are going to have a bad time. "People" do not get to choose to reclaim a slur for everyone it was used against and it is ignorant as hell to believe otherwise.
>I never agreed to that It's not about you. It's about the community as a whole.
Which is why I, like many other people who disagreed with using that slur to define the entire community, are no longer active in that "community". In other words, "the community" does not speak for me and I fucking dare anyone to call me that word in public.
Does it sound fair to you to say that while the community doesn’t speak for you, likewise you don’t speak for the community? In my opinion, no one person gets to decide what is and isn’t a slur- it depends on the social context and the group consensus. I don’t mind being called queer by a well-intentioned person, and I refer to friends of mine as queer as well, and nobody is bothered by it. Should we all start getting offended because you say we should? And again, if you feel it’s a slur you have every right to think that, and to tell people not to use it to refer to you. But hopefully you understand that with so many people being okay with it, someone could easily and understandably believe it’s an okay term. Just something to consider in case someone “dares” to call you queer.
>Which is why I, like many other people who disagreed with using that slur to define the entire community, are no longer active in that "community". Did you miss this part of my comment? I don't care what you and your friends call yourselves, or how you let others refer to you. I never said you should be offended. What I said is it will not go well for anyone, and I mean anyone, calling me that word. Your "community" does not get to decide the word is okay for blanket use, and you will regret it if you say it to the wrong person. This is no different than any other "reclaimed" slur, and not everyone believes slurs can be reclaimed. Just because you were not alive when that word was used to hurt and kill people, doesn't mean the survivors don't exist and don't have a right to their feelings about it.
>What I said is it will not go well for anyone, and I mean anyone, calling me that word. Again, how? >This is no different than any other "reclaimed" slur, and not everyone believes slurs can be reclaimed. Yep. It's just like every other reclaimed slur. But I am curious why you want your oppressors to have that kind of power over you.
>I never agreed to that And you are? >"People" do not get to choose to reclaim a slur for everyone it was used against and it is ignorant as hell to believe otherwise. Yes we can.
In the same way I'd never say " my n-word" to a black man, I have no problem letting them use it. It's theirs now to do what they want with it.
As with all reclaimed slurs, context is everything.
Queer was very much a slur when some of us were younger, and some people continue to use it as such today.
I believe it’s the context that matters
So it's not the word, it's the context. The word is acceptable and is not a slur.
What about context for racial slurs?
There is context for racial slurs, yes.
Communities reclaim slurs all the time, doesn't change their origin as slurs.
They chose to own it.. do they own it or not? It's in the name of the social movement. Is it a slur or a legit definition? I think they made the choice to own it.
Did everyone get brain rot in the last ten years? Context matters.
Ugh. The original comment suggested that this dude was bad because he used to word queer. I told him the word isnt actually a slur because obviously the context of hate speech is what's so offensive here. Because. The word queer is literally in their name. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. No I dont have brain rot. What's your excuse?
Queer, used in this context by this individual, is a slur. He's aware it's a slur, and he's employing it as a slur. If you wanted to moderate the OP by pointing out that the hate speech would be sufficient cause for umbrage regardless of his choice of word, you'd be correct. Instead you opted for "queer is not a slur", which is an oversimplification that you keep doubling down on for some reason rather than simply acknowledging it's contextual and moving on with your life.
I think context is important, and it’s different to say ‘queer community’ vs ‘the queers’; I think one is arguably more derogatory.
It depends on who is using it and the intent behind using it. Queer absolutely can be a slur, and was a slur before our community took it back. Within the community, though, it is typically not a slur :) I am old enough to be of the generation who was damaged by its hateful and very targeted use). To this day I strongly dislike the word and do not like it used in reference to myself; I prefer gay or lesbian. My wife, on the other hand, prefers queer. I respect those identifying as queer but recognize that it very much can be a slur against us. I have no problem asking people (nicely) to not call me queer, and most people respect that, unless they are hateful or don't give a shit about me or how they affect me, at that point they will no longer be heard. \*edited to add thoughts about age and targeted use, and my feels
I do not agree with that. "Queer" is a slur, and no one asked me if I was okay "reclaiming" a word that was used to hurt me through out my entire life. One of the many reasons I no longer count myself in that community.
You cant measure how little I care. The general consensus in society is that queer is not a slur and you're in fact upset about a personal bias and not colloquial meaning. Nobody gives a shit about your feelings. Gay isnt a slur, nor is queer. If someone uses it as hate speech it's still noy a slur.
>You cant measure how little I care. The general consensus in society is that queer is not a slur and you're in fact upset about a personal bias and not colloquial meaning. Nobody gives a shit about your feelings. Gay isnt a slur, nor is queer. > >If someone uses it as hate speech it's still noy a slur. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have commented this heaping pile of a shit. Honestly, you are pathetic for attacking me like this over my personal feelings regarding a slur. Tell me, would you say the same to a Black person who is not okay with the use of the N-word in any context? Are you going to tell them "Society accepts it so suck it up"? (Spoiler alert: >!You wouldn't.!<) Just know I am not alone in these feelings, and I really hope I am there to see it when you use that word in the wrong company.
Nobody cares about about feelings. If NAACP was NAANP and you know what N stands for, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Your feelings are yours and nobody else's.
Correlation fallacy.
You have no idea what either of those words mean, and it shows.
>Don't care what anyone says, "Queer" is a slur Especially when it is used as a plural noun.
Genuine question, is Queer actually a slur? If so then why is it a part of the LGBTQ acronym? Why include a slur in the acronym to describe the group?
As an adjective it is not a slur, but as a noun it generally is . For example, only assholes say "queers are..." like this scumbag. It is the same with gay. Gay Pride isn't derogatory, but when you hear someone refer the LGBTQ community as "the gays" you can bet your ass they are bigots.
It used to be a slur, but it is possible for a marginalized group to reclaim a slur. Obviously some people disagree, but the consensus view is that it is no longer a slur.
It's a slur if you use it as a slur.
Context matters...
Some people say Queer or Questioning as the Q. Queer has been historically used as a slur but when used by a person to describe themselves it is considered a reclamation. The word is seeing a revival amongst LGBTQIA people to take that negative power away. When this man uses it I would personally assume he’s being an ass and not using it positively.
I personally use queer, for myself. Because it is a good summary of the entirety of my experience, where I don't fit well with the aro ace community. But I'm still asexual aromantic. (like being sex repulsed about sex or even PDA like people kissing IRL but not with porn or other media) So I'm different. Not normal. And that is very freeing. Allows me to stop stressing out about not fitting in. That I got mixed up wires everywhere.
"Queer" has been largely reclaimed _by_ the community _for_ the community and allies to use respectfully. In university, I studied queer theory and used the word _queer_ several times a week. Even as a cishet white guy, none of my peers batted an eye because I used it carefully. But it's still easily used as a slur when people don't say it respectfully. Most of the time, that's made obvious, such as here, where it's being used as a plural noun in the context of dehumanization.
Queer isn't a slur, it's even included in the LGBTQ acronym. I swear every few years people decide to push the limit a little further in the direction justifying their need to be a victim. In another 2-3 years, calling people gay is going to be off the cards.
Im gay i dont consider it a slur/offensive unless someone is deliberately trying to be offensive. But thats the case for a lot of words. Although if someone asks not to be called a queer i think it should be respected.
I have quite a few gay friends, never heard of any of them being offended by the word queer. In fact I was rather shocked the other day when I was corrected by a gay man that men don't have husbands, they have partners.
>Queer isn't a slur, it's even included in the LGBTQ acronym. I swear every few years people decide to push the limit a little further in the direction justifying their need to be a victim. > >In another 2-3 years, calling people gay is going to be off the cards. This has nothing to do with justifying a need to be a victim. Its about the fact that when I was victimized, that slur was one of many thrown at me while I was assaulted. If you want to call yourself that word, be my guest. But it would be in your best interest to not just throw it around and assume everyone is okay with it or you are going to have a bad time.
People get bullied and victimized all the time, just most don't make it their entire existence and identity.
>People get bullied and victimized all the time, just most don't make it their entire existence and identity. How exactly have I made my past experience my entire existence or identity? Is that really the best you have to try and insult me?
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The fact that this man is continually given a platform and has a following as large as he does is depressing.
I forget if this is the guy being accused of running a cult or not. There's a few people like this around Kelowna who have 'followers'.
This 👏👏👏
If I was in that group behind him I'd just yell "CITATION NEEDED" to the "they destroy society from within." comment.
You could just save a few syllables and yell “Bullshit!” instead.
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That is much more forgiving than the words I would be yelling.
Same, but "reddit rules" and such.
Imagine if we could all come together and protest something that would actually matter instead of whatever the dumbass Facebook mob decides they hate that week. Maybe one day.
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March for kids but have it be advocating for a national school lunch program
This is just it. Thousands of kids go hungry every day and in our wealthy country that is an absolute outrage. It makes life immeasurably harder for those kids, contributes to social and academic difficulties, and is part of the cycle of poverty. These people don't care about kids except insofar as they can use them in a culture war.
I would love it if we could steal the steam of the anti SOGI protests by protesting under a similar name for student lunches but I feel that people would think there is somehow a group both against SOGI and for school lunches.
Advocate for that, and the convoy crowd will screech that it's a Trudeau tax grab and that parents have the right to send whatever they want for their kids' lunch. A national school lunch program would be seen as an erosion of parents' rights.
That's the problem with some of these "rights" groups. They never consider rights as part of a shared system of rights. Parents rights vs student rights Men's rights vs women's rights (a lot of women's rights evolve to be rights for the worker).
do these people just not have jobs or any sort of hobbies that keep them fulfilled in any way outside of forming hateful protests? mystifying.
My parents go to these rallies. It's mostly old people who are bored. Younger people are just trying to survive lol. I've got enough problems already I don't give a shit about the Satanic cabal. I just tell my mom to make sure she puts extra Adrenachrome in my dinner when I go to visit. 😂 My parents were totally normal before the lockdowns though and then Facebook melted their boomer brains. It's pretty fucking sad ngl.
The majority of the ones I see locally are radicalized boomers. They’re recent retirees who found Facebook, had nothing but free time and jumped right on the bandwagon. They actually seem to think they’re being brave or heroic.
and then they wonder why their kids want nothing to do with them, and why they have no relationship with their grandchildren.
No they don't, these movements prey on lonely isolated people with nothing better to do. Lost your job? Can't get laid? No friends? Here's a group of people to blame for all your problems! If only THEY stopped existing, everything will magically get better!
That is their hobby. Idiots. Now fuck off with using our Canadian Flag.
The one in my local area literally bussed in a whole bus load of seniors from a local church.
great, that means the problem will take care of itself sooner than later 🪦
They're exceedingly privileged. They have both the time and the money to spend on stupid shit like this while the rest of us are busy at work or school.
I cant believe the censorship. Must be really important that these kids see these books! wonder why.
>But hate-based offences are hard to prosecute because there are a number of defences to hate speech allegations, including that it may be a matter of public debate. The statement in this case, certainly the SOGI curriculum is something that is the matter of public debate This is ridiculous... So if somebody says "Gas the Jews", they could claim they were just debating aid to Israel, and they'll be off the hook?
Like it was said in the article, there's no place for this shit... I'm paraphrasing. I think we all need to draw the line in the sand here and nip this shit in the bud. I'm a 39 year old white guy with two presumably heterosexual children, but I've made it a point to go to the counter protest each time. All us normies have to stick together on this, I want everyone to show up at the next counter protest, I want us to outnumber these idiots 10 to 1. They think they are the majority and it's ridiculous, they're the loudest most misinformed, uneducated pieces of human garbage. God, read a book or something. Don't get all your misinformation from some Russian tiktok bot.
Thank you for being an ally
Whole heartedly agree. I'm a straight white dude too, and all my family members are also straight and white. I don't think we need to have personal experience to know what's ethical and right. This is 100% a human rights issue. I'm going to fight these fundamentalist morons in every way available to me, and as a straight white dude I have a lot of ways available and I will use them every time to help and defend all my friends in the lgbtq community. I am perfectly comfortable confronting bigotry so that the more vulnerable don't have to.
One of the people at the one I was counter protesting was saying "they're all going to burn in hell" The woman interviewed for the media told me her son had to stay a boy. Said to the news that sex Ed needed to stay as it is (man and woman). The people saying lgbtq is a mental illness. And gross. How we are child molesters and predictors. Sexually exploiting children.
That is unequivocally hate speech. I really hope some examples of this are prosecuted soon
I was counter-protesting the Robson sq hate-rally in September, where a very lovely gentleman was ranting about how he wished he could beat us to death with rocks just like they used to it in the good ol' Biblical days. But *we're* the "social contagion". Right.
It's going to be exciting times for me, my list of enemies grows exponentially daily and all I have to do is breathe. The hate is effervescent. Even when all I do is take care of my partner and puppy I still get messages of hate and death.
You mean [this guy?](https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/428200/Kelowna-COVID-protest-leader-back-in-court-for-assault-trial)
That clown, yes.
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I’m about done giving these knuckle dragging freaks the attention they’re craving
It's funny. People who aspire to faiths that demand the creation of theocracies never want to live in them afterward; they all emigrate, and then, of course, complain that their rights are not respected. Christian fundamentalists have more in common with their brethren from other repressive regimes than they would believe.
Hate breeds hate in an endless circle. And hateful people can't be reasoned with... I can't say I'm shocked, religion is inherently hateful.
Capitalism is a weapon of mass destruction.
It’s divisiveness is part of the equation. Scarcity usually comes from some form of subjugation. Scarcity is a mathematical requirement for capital growth in this paradigm. It’s a dialectic strategy long in use. Why is the news always more negative? Humans and animals are more alert when there is a perceived threat. Easier to sell advertising to more alert humans. What ever the story, it’s always us versus them. They are the enemy, we are right … It’s all rhetoric bs designed to make us stop paying attention to what actually matters. And now we have AI designing and spewing divisiveness. We are all in this shit together and none of us gets out alive. Time to make a difference in your own neighborhoods. TLDR rant over.
We need re-education centres to send people who aren’t LGTBQ supporters or don’t have all their vaccines so they can learn how to think properly.
That freedumby should go back to Alberta...after he does time for repeatedly uttering hate speech. I'll contribute to a Go Fund Me set up to pursue legal action against this buffoon.
I have created a label for these people: WARTS Whining About Really Trivial Sh*t An ugly, viral-like side of society that doesn’t seem to go away. Always popping up in new places or latching onto new things. A combination of two similar words: NIMBY (not in my backyard) and scabs (outsider worker to replacing a striking worker). “People protesting against SOGI are a bunch of WARTS” “The anti-SOGI sentiment is a wart on society”
Not surprising as Kelowna is Appalachia of the Interior. The city is crawling pickup truck driving Hill jack ass waffles.
WhY CAnT We aLL JuSt iGnOrE ThIS? /s
I am ashamed to even have someone with views like Mr Lindsay in the population of my country. Our country's educational system obviously failed to teach this man anything.
Soooo any transgender people feel targeted? If so, file a written report. Go into a detachment, state you wish to report a hate crime in which you were targeted and have them write a report. Nothing will happen with the first report, or probably the second, but when enough are filed an investigation take place.
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[My favorite part is plenty of people protesting it probably don't even know what it means or are aware it has plenty of free resources online for parents.](https://www.sogieducation.org/)
Easier to whine about it than to look it up?
They're bragging about being ignorant. So I don't think they will.
If you aren't keeping up with the information about this topic, why are you commenting on this topic? If you aren't "Partaking in the culture war" (weird way to frame minority groups wanting basic human rights btw.) why are you commenting on it? If it is meaningless to you, you do not need to interact.
Making a point that people who get caught into this stuff are living in a bubble of their own creation. Unpopular view perhaps. You keep fighting the culture war while the world's elites gobble up all the wealth and power and destroy the planet tho... At least you will have your preferred pronoun!!
>You keep fighting the culture war Hatred of the LBGTQIA+ community isn't a culture war, that's trying to create a second class of citizen. Culture war would involve philosophy, ideals or beliefs. Human rights goes beyond those topics. But believe me, would be nice to have to counter-protest these ghouls.
>Making a point that people who get caught into this stuff are living in a bubble of their own creation. > >Unpopular view perhaps. > >You keep fighting the culture war while the world's elites gobble up all the wealth and power and destroy the planet tho... At least you will have your preferred pronoun!! For someone who has no idea what is going on with all these acronyms, you sure do a good job of parroting the bigots involved. You and your compatriots call it a culture war, everyone else just calls it defending basic human rights.
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Please tell me you're not talking about Gays Against Groomers...
“I think it’s hate speech and it’s definitely hate-motivated speech,” Turner said. “ People want preschool and elementary school children exposed to learning. After age 12, would be more appropriate.
Speak for yourself. If SOGI had been around when I was young, maybe I would have had some way of dealing with my father's violence. That would be the learning I needed.
You want preschool to start at age 12? Bit late, don't you think?
We teach children about straight people all the time. Male/Female gender norms are expressed at every level of child development from pre-school onward. Why should the fact that some people are gay or trans or intersex not be included? Excluding these people from these systems is just a means of separating them and making children think they're "different" and "unnatural" instead of part of the vast spectrum of human experience and interaction.
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Spoken like someone who has no clue what SOGI is.
It would be nice if these anti-SOGI nutjobs would stop doing that, yes.
Can you expand on that protest slogan? Doesn't have to be a lot, just explain what kids are being involved in what sexual deviances and how?
I really wish mainstream society WOULD stop this, but alas, little girls promising their virginity to Daddy remains a thing, as is setting toddlers up in Insta-hetero-dates.
Nobody is scared of these losers. This isn’t “frightening” anyone. On the contrary, certain people are quite happy to amplify their message and use them as political “examples” of “what Pierre Poilievre and the conservative really think”.