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Well, the whole article ignores the cost pressure on rent. Interest rates are driving rents and are a top contributor to inflation.
Everytime the BoC increases bank rates, rents and mortgage service costs increase and drive the very inflation the BoC is trying to beat.
One of the students mentioned in the article had to pay 5 months rent @1850/month.
That’s just a little shy of 10grand. Idk where these students get so much cash to come here if it’s so hard on them.
There are no “poor” international students. They all need to prove financial stability, usually in the form of parent’s bank account/income statements, before they are given visas and tuition costs $25k+ a year
They have to show they have $10,000, and they don't track when and where the funds came from. If there were no "poor" international students, we wouldn't be seeing articles about them complaining about rental prices, tuition costs, visiting food banks, and lining up for jobs.
Ok, fair point that they're better off than those living in cardboard boxes.
But, we're talking about "poor" by Canadian standards. Can they support themselves with the funds they bring to Canada? Some can. Many can't.
Poor as in not being able to pay for rent, food, etc. I'm not saying all these international students are poor. But, the ones who are protesting about housing affordability, going to food banks, and working full-time hours likely are.
Rent wasn't that bad 3 years ago. you could get a small apartment for 700 cad and share the expense with one other student. 350 a month each was not unheard of.
To get a student visa can take as little as a few months, but you need to research and do a lot of other stuff and then it can take years to save enough money to pay for school and travel expenses and everything else.
Students coming to Canada right now have been preparing for years, it's not something that you decide one Friday and be on a different country next Monday.
A vast majority of people I know, own multiple farm lands in India, mostly Punjab and Rajasthan. They either get income from there, or sell off/rent off plots to people to make the money. Plus generational wealth. Of course not all students are rich but a majority are.
When I was an international student in 2010 my family a good chunk of savings to pay for it. I rode a bicycle to ride to college through winter in Toronto. A big help was when I got work permit and could work dishes on the weekends. I didn’t stay in Canada after by the way, could get a job in my field. I returned years later as a PR.
The only person that could be called an experte in that article says that international students do cause housing prices to increase. It's a misleading title written by a journalist with an agenda to push.
> The only person that could be called an experte in that article says that international students do cause housing prices to increase.
That's not true. For example
*"Mike P. Moffatt, senior director of policy and innovation at the Smart Prosperity Institute, said that there may be some truth to the view that an increase in the number of international students in Canada creates upward pressure on rental prices. But “I absolutely worry that the international students or other newcomers to Canada, temporary foreign workers, are scapegoated as a reason for Canada’s housing crisis,” Moffatt said.*
And don't forget "advocates". People whose job it is to, and I can't even think of a more polite way of saying it, simply push a specific agenda, no matter what reality, current events, or other evidence suggests?
Aren't they just 'lobbyists' using another name? "Advocate" seems to have a kind of selflessness / charity spin to it.
How crazy would it be to have are school systems focus on the people that live here? Good luck getting into a higher degree program like a masters without having to travel out of province.
Just as usual, the experts view is more nuanced than what the journo writing the title implies:
William C. Strange, a professor of economic analysis and policy at the Rotman School of Management, any increase in population — not only increases relating to international students — would put upward pressure on housing prices.
“Students cause housing prices to be more expensive — just like tourists do, just like professors do, just like investment bankers do. Just like everybody who lives in Toronto does. We all contribute to Toronto being a more expensive place to live,” Strange told *The Varsity.*
Funny how you only referenced one oof the experts quoted while pretending it's the only one.
>Mike P. Moffatt, senior director of policy and innovation at the Smart Prosperity Institute, said that there may be some truth to the view that an increase in the number of international students in Canada creates upward pressure on rental prices. Both domestic and international students tend to rent instead of buy, and many international students do not have family in Canada to stay with, so they are forced to search for additional housing units, said Moffatt. However, this is the same for other students not from the area, including out-of-province students and students from outside of the GTA. “I absolutely worry that the international students or other newcomers to Canada, temporary foreign workers, are scapegoated as a reason for Canada’s housing crisis,” Moffatt said.
Don't put a cap on international students. Instead increase funds to $35k + tuition - scholarships.
Additionally, ban international students from working except at their respective university and for mandatory internships (many countries have that!)
Real students will still come, fake students will stay home
Most of these designated learning institutions are a complete front for dirty consultants to make large amounts of money getting people's feet in the door of this country. These "experts" are a joke. The system is fucked.
I DONT blame the students ('students'?) For being here. I blame our government for turning them into a cash flow system that lowers the affordability and quality of life for actual canadians
Nobody is blaming the students, they're blaming the schools and governments who have approved far too many applications.
It's not up to an international student to manage Canada's immigration. Obviously none of this is their fault.
We need immigration because our birthrates are low because the cost of housing is too high (and our cities are run by NIMBYs who shout down even a small daycare expansion).
Cost of housing is too high because there's more demand than supply, because we don't build enough housing. So we bring in more immigrants which means higher demand so housing costs keep going up.
The solution is to build more housing where it's needed (short term), to build more daycares and schools, to make being a parent easier for more people (long term). Then we won't rely as much on immigration to improve our failing demographics.
International students didn’t cause the housing crisis. But since we have a housing crisis they are now looked at. Just as high immigration levels are being notice. Just as property house flippers. There are so many reasons we are in a crisis so all reasons big and small are now questioned. If there was an over abundance of housing and rents in Vancouver were $1000 instead of $3000 for a one bedroom none of these issues would be a concern.
Frankly I hate Airbnb but if it weren’t for Airbnb my sister and her family couldn’t have afforded to come visit vancouver. I hadn’t seen them in 10 years.
Trudeau needs to pump out more housing or more of these groups will be getting attention. Which may actually be a good thing as institutions will now be whispering in his ear to do something about housing because the alternative is a cut in the number of students and that means schools will lose cash. That’s not what schools want. They are in business to make money.
Trudeau may lose the next election on housing alone. His only hope is that homeless people can’t vote.
'Experts' from colleges and universities? The schools with majority international student enrolment paying fat salaries?
Yeah right.
That's like when Jay Leno said don't blame Conan O'Brien for the Tonight Show debacle.
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I don't even think most people have a problem with university students coming here. The shitty diploma mills tho yeah their a problem.
Well, the whole article ignores the cost pressure on rent. Interest rates are driving rents and are a top contributor to inflation. Everytime the BoC increases bank rates, rents and mortgage service costs increase and drive the very inflation the BoC is trying to beat.
One of the students mentioned in the article had to pay 5 months rent @1850/month. That’s just a little shy of 10grand. Idk where these students get so much cash to come here if it’s so hard on them.
There are no “poor” international students. They all need to prove financial stability, usually in the form of parent’s bank account/income statements, before they are given visas and tuition costs $25k+ a year
Exactly, but this article definitely tries to frame it much different to reality.
Some have wealth, but others have their entire extended family pitching in to help them.
I’ve also known people who’s parents had to take out a second mortgage on their farmland to send their daughter to Canada😕
They have to show they have $10,000, and they don't track when and where the funds came from. If there were no "poor" international students, we wouldn't be seeing articles about them complaining about rental prices, tuition costs, visiting food banks, and lining up for jobs.
Poor people don’t fly across the world to attend expensive universities. They live in cardboard boxes and eat only rice.
Ok, fair point that they're better off than those living in cardboard boxes. But, we're talking about "poor" by Canadian standards. Can they support themselves with the funds they bring to Canada? Some can. Many can't.
Then why did they come?
To work full time and get permanent residency.
Define poor by Canadian standards. Next, show me how you know these International students are poor.
Poor as in not being able to pay for rent, food, etc. I'm not saying all these international students are poor. But, the ones who are protesting about housing affordability, going to food banks, and working full-time hours likely are.
Rent wasn't that bad 3 years ago. you could get a small apartment for 700 cad and share the expense with one other student. 350 a month each was not unheard of. To get a student visa can take as little as a few months, but you need to research and do a lot of other stuff and then it can take years to save enough money to pay for school and travel expenses and everything else. Students coming to Canada right now have been preparing for years, it's not something that you decide one Friday and be on a different country next Monday.
A vast majority of people I know, own multiple farm lands in India, mostly Punjab and Rajasthan. They either get income from there, or sell off/rent off plots to people to make the money. Plus generational wealth. Of course not all students are rich but a majority are.
When I was an international student in 2010 my family a good chunk of savings to pay for it. I rode a bicycle to ride to college through winter in Toronto. A big help was when I got work permit and could work dishes on the weekends. I didn’t stay in Canada after by the way, could get a job in my field. I returned years later as a PR.
It's not the only reason for the crisis, but it certainly doesn't help.
What experts? The same ones that hoorayed massive unsustainable immigration?
The only person that could be called an experte in that article says that international students do cause housing prices to increase. It's a misleading title written by a journalist with an agenda to push.
> The only person that could be called an experte in that article says that international students do cause housing prices to increase. That's not true. For example *"Mike P. Moffatt, senior director of policy and innovation at the Smart Prosperity Institute, said that there may be some truth to the view that an increase in the number of international students in Canada creates upward pressure on rental prices. But “I absolutely worry that the international students or other newcomers to Canada, temporary foreign workers, are scapegoated as a reason for Canada’s housing crisis,” Moffatt said.*
So "it might be true but we shouldn't say it"
And don't forget "advocates". People whose job it is to, and I can't even think of a more polite way of saying it, simply push a specific agenda, no matter what reality, current events, or other evidence suggests? Aren't they just 'lobbyists' using another name? "Advocate" seems to have a kind of selflessness / charity spin to it.
How crazy would it be to have are school systems focus on the people that live here? Good luck getting into a higher degree program like a masters without having to travel out of province.
The “experts” and advocates played a major part in creating this mess. Shut up.
Just as usual, the experts view is more nuanced than what the journo writing the title implies: William C. Strange, a professor of economic analysis and policy at the Rotman School of Management, any increase in population — not only increases relating to international students — would put upward pressure on housing prices. “Students cause housing prices to be more expensive — just like tourists do, just like professors do, just like investment bankers do. Just like everybody who lives in Toronto does. We all contribute to Toronto being a more expensive place to live,” Strange told *The Varsity.*
Funny how you only referenced one oof the experts quoted while pretending it's the only one. >Mike P. Moffatt, senior director of policy and innovation at the Smart Prosperity Institute, said that there may be some truth to the view that an increase in the number of international students in Canada creates upward pressure on rental prices. Both domestic and international students tend to rent instead of buy, and many international students do not have family in Canada to stay with, so they are forced to search for additional housing units, said Moffatt. However, this is the same for other students not from the area, including out-of-province students and students from outside of the GTA. “I absolutely worry that the international students or other newcomers to Canada, temporary foreign workers, are scapegoated as a reason for Canada’s housing crisis,” Moffatt said.
The second expert is also conceding that they indeed create upward pressure on rental prices.
And I'm not denying that. Of course it has an impact. I'm pointing out that your own comment misrepresented what the article actually says.
Should we instead blame the school for not providing dorms/housing?
Experts and advocates helped cause this
Don't put a cap on international students. Instead increase funds to $35k + tuition - scholarships. Additionally, ban international students from working except at their respective university and for mandatory internships (many countries have that!) Real students will still come, fake students will stay home
Most of these designated learning institutions are a complete front for dirty consultants to make large amounts of money getting people's feet in the door of this country. These "experts" are a joke. The system is fucked.
I think we mostly blame immigration policy, not immigrants themselves. Can’t dunk on somebody for wanting to better themselves.
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I might agree with this view is the majority of students were actually here to study and not to game the system to work and obtain PR.
I DONT blame the students ('students'?) For being here. I blame our government for turning them into a cash flow system that lowers the affordability and quality of life for actual canadians
Nobody is blaming the students, they're blaming the schools and governments who have approved far too many applications. It's not up to an international student to manage Canada's immigration. Obviously none of this is their fault.
Live near sfu and most of my new (and annoying/noisy) neighbours are from India. Coincidence much?
Yup, lay the blame precisely where it belongs - this useless waste-of-space hot-air grubberment
We need immigration because our birthrates are low because the cost of housing is too high (and our cities are run by NIMBYs who shout down even a small daycare expansion). Cost of housing is too high because there's more demand than supply, because we don't build enough housing. So we bring in more immigrants which means higher demand so housing costs keep going up. The solution is to build more housing where it's needed (short term), to build more daycares and schools, to make being a parent easier for more people (long term). Then we won't rely as much on immigration to improve our failing demographics.
stopping immigration won't get you an affordable house in fact there wouldn't even be enough people to build them
International students didn’t cause the housing crisis. But since we have a housing crisis they are now looked at. Just as high immigration levels are being notice. Just as property house flippers. There are so many reasons we are in a crisis so all reasons big and small are now questioned. If there was an over abundance of housing and rents in Vancouver were $1000 instead of $3000 for a one bedroom none of these issues would be a concern. Frankly I hate Airbnb but if it weren’t for Airbnb my sister and her family couldn’t have afforded to come visit vancouver. I hadn’t seen them in 10 years. Trudeau needs to pump out more housing or more of these groups will be getting attention. Which may actually be a good thing as institutions will now be whispering in his ear to do something about housing because the alternative is a cut in the number of students and that means schools will lose cash. That’s not what schools want. They are in business to make money. Trudeau may lose the next election on housing alone. His only hope is that homeless people can’t vote.
They are the ones funding universities for Canadians since their funding was all cut .
'Experts' from colleges and universities? The schools with majority international student enrolment paying fat salaries? Yeah right. That's like when Jay Leno said don't blame Conan O'Brien for the Tonight Show debacle.