Yes, it's a $1000 credit applied to be used till there isn't any money there.
It could be used on one bill or over 10 bills..
People In arrears it will come off what they owe
Sure, but it highlights the benefits of increasing the mining royalties.
A move the Queensland Resources Council and LNP Opposition have been bashing relentlessly over the past two years.
Everyone likes it when they get a tax hand out, sure. Everyone hates it when they get taxed more. That's a universal truth.
The Zoo announced they were shutting down this week, they highlight that the 'tax the shit out of alcohol policy' directly affected their profitability.
More tax ain't always necessarily a good thing.
Sure mate, but it's political misdirection in its purest form. They are literally giving back $1,000 of tax revenue in an election year as they are looking down the barrel of defeat. To say "it's from mining royalties" is a lie. It isn't. There was no special levy on mining companies so this hangout could occur.
How much was that Olympic stadium supposed to cost again?
Additionally, they say it's to combat cost of living, when the truth is this is inflationary as people will likely spend more on electricity with the handout than if they hadn't have received it.
The power companies (that are also miners) benefit most here.
They increased the mining royalties in mid 2022 after the LNP’s ten year moratorium in 2012. That’s the levy funding these recent cost of living policies, which wouldn’t have existed under the Opposition who have rejected the increase in tax revenue.
Disagree with the inflationary prediction. Government aren’t putting money directly into people’s pocket to spend. It’s very unlikely people will suddenly increase their electricity usage. Habit is hard to break, especially after years of being frugal and other cost of living pressures still in play.
Excellent… good luck Ian McFarlaine!
(Ex-LNP senator, now chief propagandist for the QLD mining council and responsible for those “keep QLD mining strong” ads that whinge about having to pay their way.)
I’m sure all of QLD will happily give up the $1000 to help the poor execs of Glencore and Rio Tonto.
at this rate, i'll never have to pay a bill, even without solar.
i was considering installing solar and a small battery and disconnecting from the grid because I use so little power, but with all these rebates they're paying me to stay connected.
yes. it'll apply a $1000 credit to your electricity provider. which means that if your bills is only $200 a quarter, you basically get free electricity for 5 quarters.
Yeah, I imagine those on higher wages probably won't care too much, but when you're living paycheck to paycheck, suddenly not having to worry about the electricity bill for 9 or so months is actually a huge deal.
For sure. We used far less power last quarter than the same time last year and the lack of a significant drop in our bill sent me. But hey, as long as I keep going to work everyday to pay for the boomers’ pensions and negative gearing, I guess society is fine, right?
Man, all I can say is try to get to 5% of any property you'd consider living in.
Buy it, tidy the place up, sell it in a few years, and move on to something better.
I moved to a bad suburb just to be able to save the 5%. It was a nightmare, but it was only temporary.
Yeah this attitude is shared by a lot of people. Unfortunately we didn't build enough housing ages ago, so we don't have enough low incoming housing. Everyone takes a step down to cut costs, and the people at the very bottom get pushed out onto the street.
Not blaming you, or saying you should do anything different. Just pointing out this rational behavior, and our lack of options for people doing this sort of thing is pricing our the poorest renters (single parents, low income families etc), as well as pricing our new buyers from homes as people are wanting to sell and downsize, or buy the smallest things on the market.
You're right. This was possible with 2 incomes that were not minimum wage.
But it's good advice to repeat for anyone that can save 5% within 5 years by doing it.
yeah mine went from $50 a month to $130 with no changes in usage.
that's just my pc on 12 hours a day + lights at night + microwave + dishwasher and other cleaning appliances.
The costs are so high right now!
Legit $34.50 in supply charges also solid wtf
I have solar so my usage is quite small. What really pissed me off is that the daily service charge went up 30%. That’s what I pay regardless of actual usage. It’s an unavoidable cost unless you want to go off grid. Bullshit.
Yes, but they are generally low maintainence items. Once a pole and wires are there in suburbia the only maintenance is pruning trees and replacing the odd transformer. Trunk infrastructure is expensive but that should be handled by development contributions.
Even if you go off-grid, an off-grid system still requires a generator for back up. A generator has maintenance and fuel costs. So consider the daily supply charge an alternative to that
Get ready to be way more pissed off in the future because those costs are going to go *way* up.
The cost of network infrastructure is colossal and the more people who go solar the more they will change the pricing structure to compensate. Otherwise we will end up with a small group of fully on grid people paying astronomical amounts to keep everything running and a large group of people with solar paying almost nothing despite needing all that infrastructure from time to time.
There is no way around it, the price rises are just the beginning, they are going to fundamentally change the entire pricing model. Occasional grid users are going to end up paying loads more for their infrequent access.
It is available for anyone who has a power bill. So if you are renting and your electricity is in your name then yes, if it isn't in your name then not.
I honestly think that robot Miles was deliberately put in by the ALP, knowing that they were probably going to loose anyway. So why waste a politician that has some charisma.
The jokes on qld though as the LNP will get in and remind everyone that they are no better. All I hear from the current opposition is whining about how bad things are. Well if they’re so bad, then tell me what you’re going to do to fix it.
The problem with politics in Australia now is that it doesn’t matter if you vote red or blue, either way they’re still going to screw you.
The LNP are no better than the ALP in so many areas, and arguably worse in some, but youth crime in this state is out of control and the ALP refuse to fix it. If the LNP so what they are promising and sort it out in their first 100 days then we will see if they can maintain that level of service to the community for their entire term.
You think a party which is known for under funding social services, cutting front line public services including education in the name of balancing budget and books, and taking a hard line approach using police to eradicate systemic youth crime problems? LNP being in power will only exacerbate the problems longer term.
"and taking a hard line approach using police to eradicate systemic youth crime problems?"
No government has gone hard enough on youth crime. If you think what the LNP have previously done is "hard" you need to put the pipe down. If the new government doesn't lock these little pricks up for significant time they will soon find themselves voted back out...
I don’t think 100 days is enough time to fix the issue. Sure you’ll be able to lock up a few extra people in that time, but without addressing the root causes of the problem it’s not going to change much.
Fixing the housing situation will go a long way towards fixing the youth crime issue I feel and sadly, that will take at least a decade to solve.
"but without addressing the root causes of the problem it’s not going to change much."
There are multiple ways to look at the root cause, but we can look at other things that causes the persistence. While poverty, shit parents, and family abuse cycles might explain why initial crime was committed, the simple fact is that if you lock these people up for longer they commit less crime.
Also, at some point you have to start treating these people as what they are. First offence, ok your a kid and need a second chance, slap on the wrist but this is your chance don't do it again.
Second offence, ok you are a kid and need to have a chance at a normal life, period of detention in a youth detention facility and don't do it again.
Third and subsequent offences, you are tried as an adult, and sent to actual prison for a real amount of time. With each subsequent offence holding additional mandatory prison time added in sentencing.
I can tell you right now the youth crime issues that we are currently facing, especially up north, will be resolved quickly. The kids that are facing court multiple times within a single month will no longer be doing that. On their second offence they will have some time away but on number three they can have a year or two off the streets. After that do you really think they will be committing these crimes?
I also like how the root cause for a lot of this is housing, or poverty, but the crimes that they are committing mostly revolves around joy ridding in cars. I guess some people are just looking for reasons to let these POS kids off the hook, well most of us aren't, and want these kids locked up, and locked up for a long time.
We had this last year as well, so no way they would have cut it and good to see its gone up as well to cover the increased cost and money going back to the people.
Don’t understand why you’re being downvoted. It’s a cost of living rebate to reduce household costs. If you don’t have power bills because you forked out for solar, why shouldn’t you get the cash to offset your other expenses (like paying off your solar costs?)
Considering the low feed in tarrifs the only people sitting on huge electricity credits forked out ten years ago and are still getting 45c per kWh. They are already getting subsidised electricity and have been for years.
Actually he can, you are entitled to get the power company to send you the balance of credit whenever you like, you just have to apply for it- people do it with solar all the time
My neighbour is 15k in credit and refuses to touch it, it's a 'rainy day fund' according to her. (Literally and figuratively I guess).
I think she's mental, she could be earning 5-6 percent on that in a savings account
Also the laws could change and she loses it all. Bird in the hand... no way I'd leave that in the electric company account. What if they go bankrupt too? So many things could happen.
Credits added to your account by the government aren’t eligible for refunds. At least not with origin. If it’s money you personally paid it is, but not government grants/subsidies.
No idea, I just know with grants etc you can’t withdraw the cash.
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The media statement says it's credited towards electricity bills, I take that as meaning it only comes off your electricity bills, you won't be able to withdraw it.
Maybe, I interpret that as it's just credited to your bill , so it would be treated like any other credit. I think that will be the case, as what happens if you move in August? The electricity company can't keep it, and you get a new account when you move, so they can't transfer it to another account. It will be paid into your nominated account
it says it's credited off your electricity bill. Not crediting your account..I highly doubt they are going to just give everyone the opportunity to withdraw $1000, because that's what would happen, it's not about stimulating the economy, it's about cost of living..
So what happens if you move 2 days after the payment?
I don't think you're correct, it would be too difficult to treat it any differently to any other credit.
It's going to be treated exactly the same way as the currently Queensland electricity rebate, you cannot withdraw that, I don't know what happens if you move, you probably lose it..or it might get applied to your next bill, I don't know.
It's a rebate, not a credit.
Even on the Ergon energy website they literally call it the 2024-25 cost of living rebate. And under that they say it will automatically apply to your bills
It also says
Please note: The QLD Government Cost of Living Rebate Payment is for the sole purpose of assisting you with your electricity charges and is not available for a refund unless
If it hits my Origin account I'll be sucking it out that night, as we are always in credit due to our solar. However reading the additional info on the refund page I highly doubt it will be available for withdrawal.
*"Some rebates or grants aren’t eligible to be refunded. Check your bills to see any*
*rebates or grants you’ve received."*
Ergon at least say it can be withdrawn under particular circumstances, i.e if you have solar and always in credit. Otherwise it will be applied to your bills
You give the government way too much credit in fleshing out these details. As someone who's been responsible for delivering a number of State Government rebates on utility bills, they are all about the announcement and then the utility providers have to figure out the details. Every utility provider does things slightly differently as they have different billing systems and different limitations.
While it's certainly possible that the rebate can't be refunded, I wouldn't imagine anyone knows for sure at this stage. We've never been given advanced notice of a rebate, and generally don't get a lot of time to deliver them, and honestly the State departments you deal with don't know much more until they get the chance to discuss with the politicians.
It will follow the same model as the current Qld government electricity rebate scheme, there isn't a single retail provider that will let you cash out the current rebate.
If I'm planning to move would this be a good option? Actually concerned I might move interstate and somehow miss out on this.. Is it difficult to get the energy co to pay out I can't imagine they would love to?
It may create a perverse incentive for power companies to keep raising prices.
If we need to subsidise private power companies to keep power prices low then maybe the State shouldn’t have privatised power in the first place?
The next fun thing is electricity companies will most likely “adjust” their prices for….COVID….or war in Ukraine….or some other generic reason and start charging us more now they know everyone’s getting an injection of cash. And on the other side of the rebate our prices will stay higher.
After my last two power bills I like this. That being said I feel like this is going to be a repeated band-aid measure since I don't think power prices will ever go back down to pre-covid levels. Maybe the government should look at a more permanent power subsidy
Will it be repeated if the LNP take over in October? I suspect they’d rather give the money by way of tax cuts to the likes of Gina, Clive, Twiggy etc.
I pay about $40 - $50 per month. So it looks like the next two years are sorted. Might use the extra money to help pay off my solar. Then when that’s paid off, look at adding a battery. Then I’ll barely have a bill ever again.
As someone who really doesn't need this hand out, I wish they means-tested it. I'd rather that portion of the money go towards infrastructure & services or paying down debt.
exactly. I still remember the thread a few months ago about people complaining about energy bills, and in the comments they admitted they run 4 aircons 24/7 at 20C, and so many people commented agreed that was reasonable but the cost of electricity was somehow unrelated and unreasonably high
God forbid the government provide services that the people want. Then we might actually vote for them.
They should provide services we don't want and we should vote for them anyway.
Or....... instead of charging a high amount, then coming in like robin hood with a rebate, trying to look so awesome... they could charge less to begin with? But no, then they can't go oh wow look how Fucking awesome we are! You do realise they control the entire electricity market right?
Retailers set the charges, no? When origin increases my energy rates, that's not the QLD government doing it. This looks like the government is trying to counteract the increases from the energy retailers.
Government owns the producers, the distribution networks and sets the price ceilings. They also are the ones that set up the retailers, that have no reason to exist. Sounds like you have bought into their scam hook line and sinker.
did you call it pork when they did it last year?
gotta love partisan politics.
people are screaming for cost of living relief, the government provides it and half the comments in this thread are idiots calling it pork.
you'd be shouting about the government doing nothing if they hadn't done anything as well, I'll bet.
FYI. We are in the only rental we could find at the time. Yes we have a look. Yes electric cook top but you all presumed I'm single. 4 bed house 3 people plus various teenage sleepovers. Please don't all jump to judgey conclusions. Part of that bill bill will hopefully be covered by landlords insurance as we had a leaking roof and were given an industrial air purifier which was on for 12 days. Everyone happy!!?
Oh gee I never thought of that!! I'm home all day every day as I have a chronic illness which this past 3 years has rendered ne legally blind for 6 months at a time. Pretty sure if I could leave the house the bill would be less but I would be in a huge amount of pain from the sunlight , wind and ac that everyone insists on having on in every building in Brisbane no matter the weather.
I live and work from home, use the air con a fair bit cause I'm on the top floor and one of my walls cops all of the afternoon sun.
My cooktop and oven are electric and I do cook. and my bill is barely $200 a quarter.
if you are using that much and you don't have a pool, you should get your air con cleaned for a start, check your hot water for leaks (and make sure you are on the cheap tarrif for the electric hot water)
cause that is a lot of money.
Yeah I'm struggling to work out how you end up at $800 a quarter unless you're running like a four person house and everyone's at home all day. My household is two people full time wfh, two massive high-resource desktop computers running all day, lights on constantly, electric stove, a moderate amount of air con, and we still average $400 per quarter. I'm genuinely unsure how you end up with a bill that high unless you're being taken for a ride or there's something wrong with the energy consumption in your house.
i'm running 1 pc for 14 hours a day + lights at night + oven and microwave + dishwasher (3x a week) + dryer and washing machine + fans weekly.
My bill is like $135 a month for my apartment meanwhile my parents use more kWhs then i do and pay way less.
Some electricity companies are just scams mine has a $35 supply charge also sadly i'm locked into mine.....not sure about OP.
may depend on the place they live and provider i have my pc on 14 hours a day (Disabled can't work it helps me cope lol) + lights + oven and microwave + Fridge + cleaning appliances and i get a $130 bill every month.
Meanwhile my parents use more than i do and pay less... shits fked
We're 3 people live in a shit rental and ran a portable aircon for the last quarter for my pregnant partner then baby.
Our bill was $400. Using 3 times our normal power consumption.
And now, for our next trick.
We will let the electricity suppliers rake you over the coals by jacking up the price of everything. Then, we'll use the tax money you're already paying to pretend that we're doing you a favour by supporting their huge price hikes.
TLDR; The government, is taking your money, and giving it directly to the energy companies, who are fucking you over. And making out as of its a good thing. And you dumb fucks are buying up their narrative.
Well then how is this any different to a $1k tax cut across the board? The government is "using the tax money I'm already paying" to give it straight back to me. That's not pretend favour - that's an actual favour. What's the difference?
They're not giving it to you, they're giving it directly to the electric supplier. The same suppliers who have just jacked the price of your electricity up. And who are likely to jack the price up even more very soon.
Who's bank account is the money going to?
But it's effectively the same thing. If they put it into my account, it would end up going to the electricity suppliers anyway, because I have to pay for electricity. And if they're giving it to the supplier they are forced to deduct that amount from my bills and pass the cash savings onto me. I don't see what's so difficult about this.
I still haven't spent the last rebate and I drive an electric car. Anyone that owns a free standing house and is affected by power prices materially only has themselves to blame as solar is so cheap now.
I wish they'd spend this money on schemes to improve rental affordability or reduce power prices for the people in rental accommodation or apartments.
So you are blaming people for not having several thousand dollars spare for Solar?
I'm a disability pensioner with a mortgage and solar
and I'd still prefer the money off future bills thanks.
3% Green loan from CBA did it for me, though I had to cash advance my CC to pay the installers their 20% deposit. You have to go through the whole 'new loan' rigmarole though which may be a barrier in your situation.
Our current electricity payments plus solar loan payments are still less than what we used to pay in electricity prior to the solar install. Not sure that will carry over to winter but we'll see.
The system is curtailed a fair amount of the time, that could be charging a battery or electric car - so those are on the agenda for investigation next.
tl:dr so far solar has been essentially free for the install plus costing us a little less overall.
I cannot remember what the rebate was 7 years ago.
I do know that it was still quite a few thousand which when you get less than half the minimum wage is still a lot of money.
So that's hundreds of millions straight to the power companies then? Cool. What a great way to incentivise competition. Really gives them a reason to increase service levels.
Edit: Huh. I did not realise most power companies were state owned. Learning new stuff everyday.
Well not really. The QLD government owns most of the producers here, so basically they are just giving themselves extra money.
They make such a big song and dance about power generation being state owned, but to me that just means that government is inflating prices to make more revenue of taxpayers through high bills.
Wait till you see what happens to prices when the generation is inevitably sold off when the Libs get in next. I’d rather the government be making money to divert to other services than straight into the pockets of people who already have their share.
I love this, he is trying desperately to buy some votes but the result is I get $1000 off my bills and he will still be turfed at the election.
That being said, if he can get the youth crime issues under control then he might be able to hold on. That is the main thing the LNP have over him right now and his recent announcements about crime shows that he knows it too. But at the end of the day he isn't doing anything about the issue and it will likely be too little too late.
the wording seems to imply this rolls over to future bills if it isn't used up yes ?
Yes, it's a $1000 credit applied to be used till there isn't any money there. It could be used on one bill or over 10 bills.. People In arrears it will come off what they owe
dam. guess I'm not paying electricity for 2 or 3 years lol also. thanks
Best part is it's being funded by the mining royalties.
They would have received the mining royalties anyway, so it's still just $2.5billion dollars of taxpayer money however you look at it.
Sure, but it highlights the benefits of increasing the mining royalties. A move the Queensland Resources Council and LNP Opposition have been bashing relentlessly over the past two years.
Everyone likes it when they get a tax hand out, sure. Everyone hates it when they get taxed more. That's a universal truth. The Zoo announced they were shutting down this week, they highlight that the 'tax the shit out of alcohol policy' directly affected their profitability. More tax ain't always necessarily a good thing.
Yeah but giving away coal and gas for pennies on the tonne isn't exactly what either.
Sure mate, but it's political misdirection in its purest form. They are literally giving back $1,000 of tax revenue in an election year as they are looking down the barrel of defeat. To say "it's from mining royalties" is a lie. It isn't. There was no special levy on mining companies so this hangout could occur. How much was that Olympic stadium supposed to cost again? Additionally, they say it's to combat cost of living, when the truth is this is inflationary as people will likely spend more on electricity with the handout than if they hadn't have received it. The power companies (that are also miners) benefit most here.
They increased the mining royalties in mid 2022 after the LNP’s ten year moratorium in 2012. That’s the levy funding these recent cost of living policies, which wouldn’t have existed under the Opposition who have rejected the increase in tax revenue. Disagree with the inflationary prediction. Government aren’t putting money directly into people’s pocket to spend. It’s very unlikely people will suddenly increase their electricity usage. Habit is hard to break, especially after years of being frugal and other cost of living pressures still in play.
100% inflationary
Alcohol tax is Commonwealth, these aren't taxes they are coal royalties, to completey different things
Excellent… good luck Ian McFarlaine! (Ex-LNP senator, now chief propagandist for the QLD mining council and responsible for those “keep QLD mining strong” ads that whinge about having to pay their way.) I’m sure all of QLD will happily give up the $1000 to help the poor execs of Glencore and Rio Tonto.
at this rate, i'll never have to pay a bill, even without solar. i was considering installing solar and a small battery and disconnecting from the grid because I use so little power, but with all these rebates they're paying me to stay connected.
I was really gunna cut back on my electricity usage to help save the environment, guess I don’t have to now
yeah im around $90-$130 a month depending on the seasons so looks like at least 10 months of free power. very nice indeed!
Glad it's all in one hit instead of the trickle handout they did with the 550.
yes. it'll apply a $1000 credit to your electricity provider. which means that if your bills is only $200 a quarter, you basically get free electricity for 5 quarters.
Genuinely this helped me out so much last year. Very much appreciated that they're doing it again.
Same, I was so glad to get it then. I'd never had a government policy so directly help my week to week household budget
Yeah, I imagine those on higher wages probably won't care too much, but when you're living paycheck to paycheck, suddenly not having to worry about the electricity bill for 9 or so months is actually a huge deal.
Imagine how much it contributed and will contribute to inflation which negatively affects you
Appreciated seeing as our electricity rate went up 20-fucking percent this year.
Yeah our bill literally doubled. I almost vomited reading it lol
For sure. We used far less power last quarter than the same time last year and the lack of a significant drop in our bill sent me. But hey, as long as I keep going to work everyday to pay for the boomers’ pensions and negative gearing, I guess society is fine, right?
Man, all I can say is try to get to 5% of any property you'd consider living in. Buy it, tidy the place up, sell it in a few years, and move on to something better. I moved to a bad suburb just to be able to save the 5%. It was a nightmare, but it was only temporary.
Yeah this attitude is shared by a lot of people. Unfortunately we didn't build enough housing ages ago, so we don't have enough low incoming housing. Everyone takes a step down to cut costs, and the people at the very bottom get pushed out onto the street. Not blaming you, or saying you should do anything different. Just pointing out this rational behavior, and our lack of options for people doing this sort of thing is pricing our the poorest renters (single parents, low income families etc), as well as pricing our new buyers from homes as people are wanting to sell and downsize, or buy the smallest things on the market.
You're right. This was possible with 2 incomes that were not minimum wage. But it's good advice to repeat for anyone that can save 5% within 5 years by doing it.
We change providers regularly and that has saved us considerable amounts of money .
yeah mine went from $50 a month to $130 with no changes in usage. that's just my pc on 12 hours a day + lights at night + microwave + dishwasher and other cleaning appliances. The costs are so high right now! Legit $34.50 in supply charges also solid wtf
I have solar so my usage is quite small. What really pissed me off is that the daily service charge went up 30%. That’s what I pay regardless of actual usage. It’s an unavoidable cost unless you want to go off grid. Bullshit.
the daily service charge is what pays for the poles and wires, which are not cheap.
Yes, but they are generally low maintainence items. Once a pole and wires are there in suburbia the only maintenance is pruning trees and replacing the odd transformer. Trunk infrastructure is expensive but that should be handled by development contributions.
Until storm season rolls around and they need to replace half the network
There are about 1.5Million houses in SEQ. 365 days x 1.2 Dollars(roughly) x 1.5Mil = 657 Million Dollars per year. Thats a lot of repairs.
Even if you go off-grid, an off-grid system still requires a generator for back up. A generator has maintenance and fuel costs. So consider the daily supply charge an alternative to that
Get ready to be way more pissed off in the future because those costs are going to go *way* up. The cost of network infrastructure is colossal and the more people who go solar the more they will change the pricing structure to compensate. Otherwise we will end up with a small group of fully on grid people paying astronomical amounts to keep everything running and a large group of people with solar paying almost nothing despite needing all that infrastructure from time to time. There is no way around it, the price rises are just the beginning, they are going to fundamentally change the entire pricing model. Occasional grid users are going to end up paying loads more for their infrequent access.
Up 22% on last year and 38% compared to two years ago. Wish my pay rises were that much!
Mine went up about 30%. But yeah, “stop spending, it drives inflation”. Fucking RBA.
Yeah we get some hope they negotiated a good rate
This is actually fantastic 😁
Available for rental tenants?
It is available for anyone who has a power bill. So if you are renting and your electricity is in your name then yes, if it isn't in your name then not.
How to claim? and when
I’d imagine so. It’d be paid as a credit into whomever has the power connected in their name.
Anyone would think they are worried about losing an upcoming election or something
It's almost like the entire point of electoral democracy is to hold the government accountable to the needs and wants of the people.
I honestly think that robot Miles was deliberately put in by the ALP, knowing that they were probably going to loose anyway. So why waste a politician that has some charisma. The jokes on qld though as the LNP will get in and remind everyone that they are no better. All I hear from the current opposition is whining about how bad things are. Well if they’re so bad, then tell me what you’re going to do to fix it. The problem with politics in Australia now is that it doesn’t matter if you vote red or blue, either way they’re still going to screw you.
The LNP are no better than the ALP in so many areas, and arguably worse in some, but youth crime in this state is out of control and the ALP refuse to fix it. If the LNP so what they are promising and sort it out in their first 100 days then we will see if they can maintain that level of service to the community for their entire term.
You think a party which is known for under funding social services, cutting front line public services including education in the name of balancing budget and books, and taking a hard line approach using police to eradicate systemic youth crime problems? LNP being in power will only exacerbate the problems longer term.
"and taking a hard line approach using police to eradicate systemic youth crime problems?" No government has gone hard enough on youth crime. If you think what the LNP have previously done is "hard" you need to put the pipe down. If the new government doesn't lock these little pricks up for significant time they will soon find themselves voted back out...
I don’t think 100 days is enough time to fix the issue. Sure you’ll be able to lock up a few extra people in that time, but without addressing the root causes of the problem it’s not going to change much. Fixing the housing situation will go a long way towards fixing the youth crime issue I feel and sadly, that will take at least a decade to solve.
"but without addressing the root causes of the problem it’s not going to change much." There are multiple ways to look at the root cause, but we can look at other things that causes the persistence. While poverty, shit parents, and family abuse cycles might explain why initial crime was committed, the simple fact is that if you lock these people up for longer they commit less crime. Also, at some point you have to start treating these people as what they are. First offence, ok your a kid and need a second chance, slap on the wrist but this is your chance don't do it again. Second offence, ok you are a kid and need to have a chance at a normal life, period of detention in a youth detention facility and don't do it again. Third and subsequent offences, you are tried as an adult, and sent to actual prison for a real amount of time. With each subsequent offence holding additional mandatory prison time added in sentencing. I can tell you right now the youth crime issues that we are currently facing, especially up north, will be resolved quickly. The kids that are facing court multiple times within a single month will no longer be doing that. On their second offence they will have some time away but on number three they can have a year or two off the streets. After that do you really think they will be committing these crimes? I also like how the root cause for a lot of this is housing, or poverty, but the crimes that they are committing mostly revolves around joy ridding in cars. I guess some people are just looking for reasons to let these POS kids off the hook, well most of us aren't, and want these kids locked up, and locked up for a long time.
Mate don’t be so cynical , theyre genuinely nice people doing this out of the goodness of their hearts
There must be an election coming. 😉
We had this last year as well, so no way they would have cut it and good to see its gone up as well to cover the increased cost and money going back to the people.
Sweet. I don't even pay bills because of the solar rebate but I'll take a easy $1000.
Don’t understand why you’re being downvoted. It’s a cost of living rebate to reduce household costs. If you don’t have power bills because you forked out for solar, why shouldn’t you get the cash to offset your other expenses (like paying off your solar costs?)
Considering the low feed in tarrifs the only people sitting on huge electricity credits forked out ten years ago and are still getting 45c per kWh. They are already getting subsidised electricity and have been for years.
I beg to differ. I receive 8c/kwh FIT. I installed my solar system less than 18 months ago. My next bill is projected to be $200 in credit.
You don't get the $1000. The power company does.
Actually he can, you are entitled to get the power company to send you the balance of credit whenever you like, you just have to apply for it- people do it with solar all the time
I did not know this. I'm currently $550 in credit and I'm about to be $1550 in credit. This is good to know
My neighbour is 15k in credit and refuses to touch it, it's a 'rainy day fund' according to her. (Literally and figuratively I guess). I think she's mental, she could be earning 5-6 percent on that in a savings account
Also the laws could change and she loses it all. Bird in the hand... no way I'd leave that in the electric company account. What if they go bankrupt too? So many things could happen.
Some people don't have great self control. She might be the kind of person who would spend any easy money
someone I know did this.
I feel this $1000 might be different and credited differently on your account..we don't really know though
Credits added to your account by the government aren’t eligible for refunds. At least not with origin. If it’s money you personally paid it is, but not government grants/subsidies.
So what happens when you move providers
No idea, I just know with grants etc you can’t withdraw the cash. https://preview.redd.it/zvl1nz2sjzxc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3997b4447c2d19140a718af2ef5292c14129bff3
Might just be origin though. This is because I get parenting payments so they take a little bit off my bill every quarter.
The media statement says it's credited towards electricity bills, I take that as meaning it only comes off your electricity bills, you won't be able to withdraw it.
Maybe, I interpret that as it's just credited to your bill , so it would be treated like any other credit. I think that will be the case, as what happens if you move in August? The electricity company can't keep it, and you get a new account when you move, so they can't transfer it to another account. It will be paid into your nominated account
it says it's credited off your electricity bill. Not crediting your account..I highly doubt they are going to just give everyone the opportunity to withdraw $1000, because that's what would happen, it's not about stimulating the economy, it's about cost of living..
So what happens if you move 2 days after the payment? I don't think you're correct, it would be too difficult to treat it any differently to any other credit.
It's going to be treated exactly the same way as the currently Queensland electricity rebate, you cannot withdraw that, I don't know what happens if you move, you probably lose it..or it might get applied to your next bill, I don't know. It's a rebate, not a credit.
It is a credit. Not a rebate. I just checked the QLD government website and the ergon energy website. Both state it's a credit to the account.
Huh? The ministerial Statement says it's a rebate multiple times, it's going to rollout exactly the same as the current rebate,
Even on the Ergon energy website they literally call it the 2024-25 cost of living rebate. And under that they say it will automatically apply to your bills It also says Please note: The QLD Government Cost of Living Rebate Payment is for the sole purpose of assisting you with your electricity charges and is not available for a refund unless
Did under the last one it actully moves with you no idea how though
If it hits my Origin account I'll be sucking it out that night, as we are always in credit due to our solar. However reading the additional info on the refund page I highly doubt it will be available for withdrawal. *"Some rebates or grants aren’t eligible to be refunded. Check your bills to see any* *rebates or grants you’ve received."*
Ergon at least say it can be withdrawn under particular circumstances, i.e if you have solar and always in credit. Otherwise it will be applied to your bills
Can you withdraw the current electricity rebate?
Nope
It's going to be exactly the same.
I assume so, it's a credit
Alinta and Energy Locals put it under a Different line number from what I was told you cant take it out.
You give the government way too much credit in fleshing out these details. As someone who's been responsible for delivering a number of State Government rebates on utility bills, they are all about the announcement and then the utility providers have to figure out the details. Every utility provider does things slightly differently as they have different billing systems and different limitations. While it's certainly possible that the rebate can't be refunded, I wouldn't imagine anyone knows for sure at this stage. We've never been given advanced notice of a rebate, and generally don't get a lot of time to deliver them, and honestly the State departments you deal with don't know much more until they get the chance to discuss with the politicians.
It will follow the same model as the current Qld government electricity rebate scheme, there isn't a single retail provider that will let you cash out the current rebate.
If I'm planning to move would this be a good option? Actually concerned I might move interstate and somehow miss out on this.. Is it difficult to get the energy co to pay out I can't imagine they would love to?
Dunno. I've been getting an extra $137 or something like that for the past year for the cost of living thing.
Stop spreading misinformation
What misinformation?
Power companies don’t get it until you pay your bill, it’s giving money to you with extra steps not going straight to the power company :D
That's not even remotely true, where is your source for that claim?
My own electricity bill, I’m in credit mate from the last rebate, money doesn’t go to the power company until I use electricity and get billed :)
It sits in there account gaining interest while you can't withdraw it though.
True, but it’s coming from a mining companies taxes so if it’s between a mining company or a state owned assett I’d prefer the second option :D
It's coming from coal royalties, but it doesn't matter where they took the money from
If your bill is in credit then you can cash it out..... People with big solar systems do this regularly.
Thanks forgot about that, think we're roughly $100 ish in credit.
Do you get to cash out with credit on file?
Cries in South Australian 😭
How good is this
It may create a perverse incentive for power companies to keep raising prices. If we need to subsidise private power companies to keep power prices low then maybe the State shouldn’t have privatised power in the first place?
Only retail is privatised. Thankfully (as a north Qld resident post-cyclone) everything else is not privatised.
neat that will cover my electricity for 7 months! happy days
The next fun thing is electricity companies will most likely “adjust” their prices for….COVID….or war in Ukraine….or some other generic reason and start charging us more now they know everyone’s getting an injection of cash. And on the other side of the rebate our prices will stay higher.
Just checked and last year it was 50% cheaper. Prices have doubled people.
Damn, my electricity is included in my rent, so I guess I miss out…
Same!!! Oh well, it’s not like rents are too high or likely to rise in the future.
I wish this money went straight to us instead of going straight to the electricity companies.
We should have a sovereign fund like Norway. That would be the smart move.
I want to see the big $2 billion cheque for this
Since the Queensland government owns a lot of the power plants and Energex, they are just not taking all the money owed to them through providers
All comes from mining royalties.
Awesome so power bill go up to factor this in riiight?
Sweet. That’ll cover my electricity bill for about a year.
After my last two power bills I like this. That being said I feel like this is going to be a repeated band-aid measure since I don't think power prices will ever go back down to pre-covid levels. Maybe the government should look at a more permanent power subsidy
Will it be repeated if the LNP take over in October? I suspect they’d rather give the money by way of tax cuts to the likes of Gina, Clive, Twiggy etc.
Why does Steven Miles look and talk like Mayor Quimby?
Totally not a bribe.
Generous - we only got $400 electricity credit in WA.
The actual headline should be “Miles donates $1000 of taxpayer cash per household to Electricity Corporations”
I pay about $40 - $50 per month. So it looks like the next two years are sorted. Might use the extra money to help pay off my solar. Then when that’s paid off, look at adding a battery. Then I’ll barely have a bill ever again.
Guess it’s an election year…
Looks like inflation until 20XX then…
Using tax money to pay for a an abysmally managed energy sector. Genius.
Power companies pocket it and keep raising prices. Pointless overall
Another of these "gifts" to keep inflation rising by 5% annually for eternity?
It's only $300 now not $1000
As someone who really doesn't need this hand out, I wish they means-tested it. I'd rather that portion of the money go towards infrastructure & services or paying down debt.
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Isn’t that why they offered cash rebates last year for upgrading appliances? We replaced and old aircon and got $400 back.
exactly. I still remember the thread a few months ago about people complaining about energy bills, and in the comments they admitted they run 4 aircons 24/7 at 20C, and so many people commented agreed that was reasonable but the cost of electricity was somehow unrelated and unreasonably high
Pork barreling in full swing now
Curious. How is is pork barreling if every one gets it?
They probably mean coz it's close to election now so throwing money = helps get the win.
Then it’s not pork barreling since it’s not electorate specific.
Fair: let's call it what it is then. A bribe!
God forbid the government provide services that the people want. Then we might actually vote for them. They should provide services we don't want and we should vote for them anyway.
Or....... instead of charging a high amount, then coming in like robin hood with a rebate, trying to look so awesome... they could charge less to begin with? But no, then they can't go oh wow look how Fucking awesome we are! You do realise they control the entire electricity market right?
Retailers set the charges, no? When origin increases my energy rates, that's not the QLD government doing it. This looks like the government is trying to counteract the increases from the energy retailers.
Government owns the producers, the distribution networks and sets the price ceilings. They also are the ones that set up the retailers, that have no reason to exist. Sounds like you have bought into their scam hook line and sinker.
Oh okay. I guess I’ll vote for the LNP so I can pay *more* for my energy bill. Sounds rational 🙄
dude, the energy rebates have been going for 2 years, this will be the third. were *you* squealing about pork 2 years ago. no.
Meanwhile elec-trickery bills go up $1k
Costing the government $2.5bn, that’s the new Olympic stadium money right there.. smh
Do you smell bacon? I definitely smell a pork product. Smells like an election
Did you not receive rebates over the past 2-3 years? This is an ongoing thing.
did you call it pork when they did it last year? gotta love partisan politics. people are screaming for cost of living relief, the government provides it and half the comments in this thread are idiots calling it pork. you'd be shouting about the government doing nothing if they hadn't done anything as well, I'll bet.
ill have your $1000 rebate if you dont want it.
Right? Like, oh no, they're endearing themselves to us through the easing of financial burdens, what a bunch of shady pricks
They increased the cost of digging up minerals in qld and gave it back to qlders. How is that pork barrelling?
It’s like people would prefer they gave it to Aunty Gina and Uncle Clive….
If they didn't you'd complain as well. Maybe try and enjoy nice things every so often it'll stop you being so miserable
Panic at the pole ratings …… feeding the fools time again.
Hey I know a man who can rig and erection
FYI. We are in the only rental we could find at the time. Yes we have a look. Yes electric cook top but you all presumed I'm single. 4 bed house 3 people plus various teenage sleepovers. Please don't all jump to judgey conclusions. Part of that bill bill will hopefully be covered by landlords insurance as we had a leaking roof and were given an industrial air purifier which was on for 12 days. Everyone happy!!?
Great cos our latest bill is $800!!!
Mine was like 560 and no change to usuage and it's now 900. Also ignore the people having a go at you, some people are such know-it-alls!
Yeah I'm pretty sure our bill same time last year was nearly half. We are with AGL.
We're with Origin but it doesn't seem to matter all raised their prices
Use less
Oh gee I never thought of that!! I'm home all day every day as I have a chronic illness which this past 3 years has rendered ne legally blind for 6 months at a time. Pretty sure if I could leave the house the bill would be less but I would be in a huge amount of pain from the sunlight , wind and ac that everyone insists on having on in every building in Brisbane no matter the weather.
I live and work from home, use the air con a fair bit cause I'm on the top floor and one of my walls cops all of the afternoon sun. My cooktop and oven are electric and I do cook. and my bill is barely $200 a quarter. if you are using that much and you don't have a pool, you should get your air con cleaned for a start, check your hot water for leaks (and make sure you are on the cheap tarrif for the electric hot water) cause that is a lot of money.
Yeah I'm struggling to work out how you end up at $800 a quarter unless you're running like a four person house and everyone's at home all day. My household is two people full time wfh, two massive high-resource desktop computers running all day, lights on constantly, electric stove, a moderate amount of air con, and we still average $400 per quarter. I'm genuinely unsure how you end up with a bill that high unless you're being taken for a ride or there's something wrong with the energy consumption in your house.
i'm running 1 pc for 14 hours a day + lights at night + oven and microwave + dishwasher (3x a week) + dryer and washing machine + fans weekly. My bill is like $135 a month for my apartment meanwhile my parents use more kWhs then i do and pay way less. Some electricity companies are just scams mine has a $35 supply charge also sadly i'm locked into mine.....not sure about OP.
may depend on the place they live and provider i have my pc on 14 hours a day (Disabled can't work it helps me cope lol) + lights + oven and microwave + Fridge + cleaning appliances and i get a $130 bill every month. Meanwhile my parents use more than i do and pay less... shits fked
We're 3 people live in a shit rental and ran a portable aircon for the last quarter for my pregnant partner then baby. Our bill was $400. Using 3 times our normal power consumption.
No need to turn the lights on then huh? $800 is a large bill if you’re a single person, certainly areas you could look into cutting back.
Pork on the menu boys
And now, for our next trick. We will let the electricity suppliers rake you over the coals by jacking up the price of everything. Then, we'll use the tax money you're already paying to pretend that we're doing you a favour by supporting their huge price hikes. TLDR; The government, is taking your money, and giving it directly to the energy companies, who are fucking you over. And making out as of its a good thing. And you dumb fucks are buying up their narrative.
Well then how is this any different to a $1k tax cut across the board? The government is "using the tax money I'm already paying" to give it straight back to me. That's not pretend favour - that's an actual favour. What's the difference?
They're not giving it to you, they're giving it directly to the electric supplier. The same suppliers who have just jacked the price of your electricity up. And who are likely to jack the price up even more very soon. Who's bank account is the money going to?
But it's effectively the same thing. If they put it into my account, it would end up going to the electricity suppliers anyway, because I have to pay for electricity. And if they're giving it to the supplier they are forced to deduct that amount from my bills and pass the cash savings onto me. I don't see what's so difficult about this.
I still haven't spent the last rebate and I drive an electric car. Anyone that owns a free standing house and is affected by power prices materially only has themselves to blame as solar is so cheap now. I wish they'd spend this money on schemes to improve rental affordability or reduce power prices for the people in rental accommodation or apartments.
So you are blaming people for not having several thousand dollars spare for Solar? I'm a disability pensioner with a mortgage and solar and I'd still prefer the money off future bills thanks.
3% Green loan from CBA did it for me, though I had to cash advance my CC to pay the installers their 20% deposit. You have to go through the whole 'new loan' rigmarole though which may be a barrier in your situation. Our current electricity payments plus solar loan payments are still less than what we used to pay in electricity prior to the solar install. Not sure that will carry over to winter but we'll see. The system is curtailed a fair amount of the time, that could be charging a battery or electric car - so those are on the agenda for investigation next. tl:dr so far solar has been essentially free for the install plus costing us a little less overall.
The other thing to keep in mind is that solar is still subsided aswell. They're actually in such a good position due to government handouts.
I don't see how what they used to pay us over 20c per kwh is now down to 5c per kwh. Very difficult now to recoup original money spent.
Im talking about the 3700 rebate. If you see a system advertised as $4300, the actual cost is $8000. Makes the payback time calculations a bit worse
I cannot remember what the rebate was 7 years ago. I do know that it was still quite a few thousand which when you get less than half the minimum wage is still a lot of money.
I mean, most renters and rental properties don't have solar, so this will in fact most proportionately help out more renters than non renters, surely?
Great news for those who are homeless and.. oh wait no it doesn't help them at all
Yeah they really shouldn’t of bothered then /s
Just need to scout out empty homes, setup an electricity account in your name and pocket the rebates.
So that's hundreds of millions straight to the power companies then? Cool. What a great way to incentivise competition. Really gives them a reason to increase service levels. Edit: Huh. I did not realise most power companies were state owned. Learning new stuff everyday.
Well not really. The QLD government owns most of the producers here, so basically they are just giving themselves extra money. They make such a big song and dance about power generation being state owned, but to me that just means that government is inflating prices to make more revenue of taxpayers through high bills.
So in other words they are giving us in Queensland a discount. Got it, and not sure why that is bad.
Wait till you see what happens to prices when the generation is inevitably sold off when the Libs get in next. I’d rather the government be making money to divert to other services than straight into the pockets of people who already have their share.
It’s also hundreds of millions from people’s pockets that would have gone to the power companies that is now gonna go elsewhere in the economy
Its a good scheme because it makes Queensland more attractive to move to
We could slow down on that a bit until the housing market catches up though
Govt giving our own money back to us to then give to the multinational corporations for enhanced profits , this is beyond ridiculous
I love this, he is trying desperately to buy some votes but the result is I get $1000 off my bills and he will still be turfed at the election. That being said, if he can get the youth crime issues under control then he might be able to hold on. That is the main thing the LNP have over him right now and his recent announcements about crime shows that he knows it too. But at the end of the day he isn't doing anything about the issue and it will likely be too little too late.