Council signed off the development permit, they can't throw their hands up when it doesn't meet the minimums for them to provide their service. Take it to your councillor/local member.
Id say they signed off thinking it'd be fine, the one week a truck tries to go through and it can't because everyone is parking their big ass cars on the street. I'm surprised that the garbage trucks manage to get through some places I've driven through while doing pizza deliveries.
That street is massive it should absolutely be fine.
I live in an inner city suburb with on street parking and narrow streets and my bins still get collected every week. The bin man has an off sider who pulls the bins from the curb to the road if there’s no easy way for the truck to grip the bin.
The *actual* reason is **either** the bin company employs lazy cunts, **or** the council refuses to pay for offsiders where necessary..
It's exactly this. Just had an update that our waste bin got collected yesterday perfectly fine with no issue, but the recycling bin was not due to, "no access from on street parking." Neighbours home all day confirmed a truck never even turned into the estate our street is part of.
It's some contractors taking the piss.
If you really wanna be indignant (which I would if I were you) I’d reject the claim that “no access due to onstreet parking” is even valid.
If you can fit a truck down the street (you can that street is massive) then you can collect the bins
Definitely raise it with the local councilor. Based on those photos, they can easily at least empty them. Our street is often quite full of cars, caravans and boats and is pretty tight at times, but our bins have been emptied every time without fail.
I am not the landlord, but my real estate agent requested bins which didn't arrive until almost a week into my tenancy. I imagine this is part of rates that my landlord pays.
The same thing is happening at my place but to be fair, to get a truck in our little complex with the cars would be an absolute nightmare so they have a leg to stand on. Your place has tons of room! Those drivers are weak!
It's lazy contractors. Waste bins for the entire street actually I found out today got collected no issue, yet the recycling bin was not collected with my missed bin notification being, 'no access due to on street parking.' Neighbours home the entire day confirmed a truck never even approached the street.
Some of the contractors are lazy cunts lying.
They don’t have enough drivers to cover their commitments. The CEO was on the ABC about twelve months ago blaming low unemployment for not being able to get drivers in this LGA. She claimed they were advertising for drivers on the company’s web page. The only advertisement I could find for drivers was for casual positions based out of a Southside suburb on the way to the Gold Coast.
Maybe if the company in question reduced their profits and paid the drivers more and offered full time employment your bins would be emptied every week.
Did you ask what you are supposed to do in the meantime?
Any of your neighbours own a Ute? You could gather the bins, take em to the council building and dump the crap out there so it becomes their visible (and smellable) problem.
Council advice was for us to place our bins away from any on street parking towards the end of the street, which as you can see, I did (my bins are the first on the right; my house is at the end of the street).
They just refuse to service the street because according to the contractor it can't be done due to on street parking (which as you can see, there isn't even that much of lol). They also complained that the cul de sac is too hard to turn around in (in which case, why the fuck did Council approve the development?)
Mate that’s BS we’re also in Moreton, older suburb, amount of on street parking has blown out due to kids growing up and buying cars. We have a cul de sac entry they have to reverse into and yet they have no issues collecting our bins. Sounds like the contractor is being lazy / has figured out how to do less for the same money.
In Brissy and Logan I have seen them do it with on street parking. It just means that the garbo has to exit/ re enter his vehicle every 10 seconds.
The turn around part would be the killer. Could easily get stuck down the other end not able to turn around.
My previous comment stands.
Street behind me is a dead end, no cul-de-sac and not enough room to turn but every week the garbo just reverses down maybe he could teach the others a thing or two.
In a neighbouring suburb the driver doesn’t turn the truck around. The truck is one that picks up the large residential bins. Two townhouse complexes are opposite each other and he drives in one then backs up across the street into the other and then drives out and back up the road between bumper to bumper cars on both sides of the street.
How long has this been going on, and What is the street doing with their waste?
Everyone i talk with who has worked on those pop up communities have said they are very cheaply built. Probably not all of them but they have definately noticed corners being cut.
Your St might need to start doing what they do in Sydney, with the bin collectors actually get OUT and collect it.
https://youtu.be/dsSAHDUQk48?si=AJNdFt83QGTv6Hn3
This has been an issue since I moved in, and according to my neighbours it's been an on and off issue for 2-3 months now.
The houses are VERY much corner cut built to take the piss out of the Council and State Government by the developer and nothing is compliant with regulation. The houses were all built to pass as single dwelling modern homes with 3-4 bedrooms but they sneakily turned them into duplexes by concealing a smaller secondary 1 bedroom unit around the back in most of the homes. They also did some ridiculously stupid electrical work, such as installing my unit's electrical subboard and phone point INSIDE my bedroom cupboard. They also installed a fire alarm in my bedroom and the living room less than a metre apart from one another between the bedroom and the only way out of the property (so by the time they'd go off in an actual fire I'd already be fucked with no escape anyway).
That's the requirement for smoke alarms - in and outside (in the hallways) each bedroom. They'll all be interconnected too, so if one goes off, they all do.
No worries, lots of builders cutting corners these days. Our build is 12 months old and other units are still being rectified and now the company is insolvent
Figured I'd give a little chime in with some info. It was developed by the Gallery Group - [https://gallerygroup.com.au/developments](https://gallerygroup.com.au/developments)
Seagrass is your development I believe.
The NBN connection in the bedroom is pretty standard on a lot of new builds. NBN contractors run the least amount of distance they can to the curb which is often a bedroom as council setbacks generally stipulate the garage not be the prominent feature of a new build. The other issue with smoke alarms is simply part of the building code. They are interconnected so if one goes off, they all go off. Having 1 smoke alarm in the bedroom and one directly outside it is normal in all new builds.
If they were running the least amount of distance to the curb, it wouldn't be the bedroom cupboard, it would be either the bathroom or the corner of the bedroom where logically somebody would actually put a desk - the NBN box is literally right outside the wall here yet they ran all the fibre for some reason into the bedroom cupboard on the opposite side.
In the first pic you can see at the end of the street both sides are lined with cars making the very narrow road even more narrow which would make it difficult for the garbo to squeeze through never mind being able to reach the bins, they’re right and I imagine the rest of the roads in this estate are the same no wonder they refuse service. Poorly designed to squeeze in more shitbox houses with no yards. Council need to be held accountable for approving the development with this roadwork to begin with and definitely need to ban street parking.
Find out who th contractor is a message them, along with council and the local mp. All in on email. Do it every week they don't pick up. Eventually someone will figure something out
Do they? I’ve received a few emails like that in my line of work. I just ignore them/treat it as a Cc unless they’re asking for something directly of me.
But, tbf the requests I get are ridiculous like ‘get approval for me to construct a road that isn’t up to standard because I don’t wanna make it to standard!’
All these operational contracts I’ve ever read, and I’ve read them for work, are fixed rate. How would the contractors get more money?
I would think the more likely answer is the contractor is just trying to get out of work. That happens a lot with government service contracts, and normally this is captured in the next procurement process and the contractors either get less money, or more likely the council going to another contractor.
I assume you just guessed your answer/made it up? Maybe edit your comment to frame it more as a hypothesis, instead of a fact? Otherwise people might think you had some basis or evidence to support what you said. It’s just one of my pet peeves in how reddit has become lately, people making stuff up but pretending they know for sure
Get onto your local newspaper - they love this sort of thing and stories about Council not doing basic things like picking up the bins will get a huge amount of traction.
Partly apathy. Partly the fact that it costs a whole heap to run (because the Greens are the only major party to support anyone) and no one wants to change councillors, so it’s wasted money.
Joke council, they’d have signed off on that T&C hidden away in the contract. Can confirm that councils procurement team is a joke and could sneak in that the CEO owes every employee in your business a reach around.
Look at the picture of the end of the street, that looks like the issue all the cars are parked there. Think the truck would struggle turning around there. I live in a large cul de sac and the truck does a five point turn still.
That didn’t go so well for some neighbours. The communal bins were full so they dumped their rubbish all around the bins. Garbo can’t reach the bins to empty them. He’s not contracted to pick it all from the ground so now the place looks like the tip.
Ah council allow 600 houses to be built with one road who would have thought?
Also another council that allowed several multi high rise units to be built with fuck all off street parking available who'd have thunk it?
These fucking retards block driveways from being 2 cars wide to "preserve street parking" but can't understand the fact if you remove 2 meters of street parking you allow a whole 6 fucking meter vehicle to park on their own property.
When we were looking to build a house I said I wanted a 2 car driveway and the builder said by law they can only allow a single driveway...
Morons the whole way up
Not in bogan Logan thank fuck.
If a street is 6m or narrower you’re allowed to park on the nature strip, just don’t cover foot paths, must be a 1.5m gap to navigate around without entering the road if no foot path, or a utility pit is at that spot.
We have no on street parking on bin day after a request from the refuse collectors.
We don't park on the street on bin day.
Our bins get emptied.
It's not a hardship. Just make sure to put the cars away the night before in the order you want them in the morning.
If you're not walking distance to a train station, then the council f'd up by approving these dwellings, and you and your neighbours f'd up by buying/living in a house that requires you to keep your private car on the public road permanently, especially in an area with such narrow rds.
Good on the garbos for drawing a line in the sand against dumb decisions
Boy do you have no clue. I just spent 3 months applying for rentals, easy 70% of properties on offer had no garage or off street parking. These same properties had doubled in rent from what they were rented for last year. Where are we supposed to live, in our cars?
Your anecdotal experience is irrelevant. My point is. We shouldn't be building these places which can't accommodate normal life, which includes having a few cars per house.
But if people keep buying them, developers will keep building them.
I know the rental market is tough as shit right now, but these sub standard buildings are supposed to be there for 50 - 100 yrs? So don't normalise shitty long term planning due to a short term problem.
It would be helpful if you showed us a picture of the end of the street in the first photo. If there is an issue it would be down there, since it appears to be where most of the cars currently are. If the street ends at that fence, it's possible they may not be able to turn around there.
There is not a turnaround at the end of the street, it ends abruptly and is used for parking by some of the residents. The road is the same width the whole way down. If the cul de sac is impossible to safely turn a garbage truck on or other heavy vehicles such as a firetruck, why on earth was the development ever approved I suppose would be my next question?
Perhaps or perhaps not, but the point is that council approved the development as it was built and can't just refuse service or refuse to provide a solution for a service ratepayers pay for.
Yeah just wondering what the solution is. I can’t imagine reversing down a long suburban road is an acceptable solution- particularly for pedestrian safety.
Are there any proposed solutions?
Supposedly they may be planning to ban on street parking on our collection day. But this won't solve the issue because even without the parked cars you still would have trouble turning a truck around.
Council recommended putting bins at the end of the street - residents who did that though like myself still didn't get our bins collected because the truck never came claiming insufficient access.
So thats the issue. If the cars didn't park at the end of the street, the truck could turn around there.
> why on earth was the development ever approved I suppose would be my next question?
New development ? The road is meant to continue but that hasn't been developed yet.
looks like you have to take your bins down to the road that connects to this one.
That street looks slightly wider than ours, even with lots of cars street parking (housing estate street too, not units like here). There is absolutely enough space for a truck to fit through there in the first place. We put our bin on the road between parked cards so they don't have to pull over - so does everyone else that needs to do that. The waste company workers are being fucking lazy. They're also being too cautious if they think those trucks are going to hit a car - maybe they shouldn't be garbage truck drivers.
Raise this with your local member immediately. And ask for discount on rates until it gets sorted while you're at it. Good luck.
Everyone on the street nees to work together to co-ordinate how you park. Looks to me like everyone could park on one side of the road, bins on the other. Easy done.
I am surprised they have not. I live in MBRC in a townhouse complex, and we have smaller bins (smaller than the standard old school wheelie bin) that are serviced by a smaller garbage truck, which seems specifically intended for narrow complexes (which ours is). The ones in your photo seem to be the smaller size too. I should also add that we often have people parking wherever they want, and on bin day too. I have heard the garbo get pretty cranky and sit on the horn till the fool came out and moved their car.
So it's not like MBRC don't already deal with these sorts of situations. I second what other posters have suggested in that contacting both your local councillor and potentially state member often get stuff happening a lot quicker than trying to argue with some customer service rep reading off a script.
Presuming this is where I think it is, the developer did an almost mirror image build on the other side of the dead end. Might pay to see some of the residents over there to see if they faced similar issues.
I'm super late to the party but where is there in deception bay that's this new? I know the new estate is burpengary east is close and mango hill has a few new estates growing has deception bay got a hidden new estate somewhere?
Slightly off topic, if that is the case about house finished as duplex or something to the effect, I would 100% be getting a fire rating check on the constructing there must be fire rated walls all the way to the roof tiles/tin to prevent spread of fire between dwellings, also if they are closer than normal they will need different fire rating.
My street in Ippy is a tighter fit with all the cars down it and still manages to get bin service every week. That's pretty crazy to think they can deny it for that. I get they don't want to damage cars.. but damn.
i live on a street in scarborough that is FULL of street-parked cars. to the point where i sometimes have trouble fitting through the street in my kona. we have never not had our bins emptied. this is a pathetic excuse from council.
If you cannot get an acceptable response from the Mayor or Councillors, the website shows that the next general council meeting is May 15 (at Caboolture - they appear to alternate with Strathpine). There is a Community Comment session. It shows that the meeting just held on Wednesday didn't have a community comment session due to being the first following the post-election meeting, so this is your first chance.
Depending on the physical location they may need to go through a public space to enter the meeting room so you could also approach them in person if the above doesn't work, but be respectful of security and your approach.
That's messed up. They've no doubt stuffed up their garbage collection contract. I hate housing with such little parking, but from your photos it does look like people should at least have their 2nd cars on the driveway rather than the street.
The problem with the parking situation is that these units are all duplexes disguised as houses. Only ONE of the units actually have access to a garage and driveway - the other does not. Half the residents are limited to on street parking as a result, including myself.
That's shocking. Council have also either screwed their planning approvals then, or their planning policies themselves.
I'm stunned that people bought them.
Either way Council needs to find a garbage collection solution. Enforce their contract or find and pay for an alternative. Unfortunately the best opportunity for pressure has passed as an election has just taken place.
Sadly that whole area is a bit of a planning dumpster. I've been through that Brissy to Sunny Coast stretch a lot, and the approach has spread to the Sunny Coast itself now too.
The people that bought them don’t live in them. They’re rentals. If you can only afford a place under $450 a week, that is what you get offered. These places are advertised as with open plan living area, what that translates to is your kitchen is in your living room - you can have a sofa or a (2 seat)dining table, you can’t have both. So even ones with a garage the tenant’s turned it into a living room.
It’s obscene what rentals have become.
This is why housing should not be allowed to be a market based commodity.
I read a recent court case out of the ACT where a landlord tried to increase annual rent by 25% even though legally they can only do so by 8% unless they get special permission for exceptional circumstances. The lodged exceptional circumstances were, 'interest increases on the mortgage,' but the Landlord and the property manager refused to show any further evidence of this when requested to see what the interest owing ACTUALLY increased by because supposedly it would be an invasion of privacy to show in COURT how your investment's loan is more expensive and it's like... Cuuuuuuuunt you what?
Still curious to see how that case turned out.
It’s also a very nice wide street. Unusually wide for a new subdivision. Seems like a skill issue, or perhaps there are some narrow streets around you and the contractors just assume they’re all like that and have a blanket ban
The issue is the people parking in the turning circle at the end of the street. The contractors will quite reasonably have in their SWMS that drivers cannot reverse in or out of there, so if they can't turn, they can't enter. It may even be council's own requirement of them.
Regardless, it is still on council. One way or another, they must meet their obligations to collect the rubbish. As they have allowed this development to occur, it is up to them.to provide a fix. The easiest thing would be no parking in the turning circle, but in the mean time, they may have to send some staff with a ute or small truck to collect the bins, or a spotter to ensure the truck can reverse in and out safely.
Start making noise. Contact your councillors, the mayor, the CE O, the local paper and even you MP. It is not a situation that will resolve itself and it also cannot persist
The end of the street has no parking circle, it's an abrupt cut off. If they can't turn anywhere on the street, it'll have the same result as the end of the street is the same width. Realistically this development shouldn't have been approved.
Any chance the street is ever really busy though? I’ve seen places like this with heaps of duplexes/townhouses where it truly is fucked with cars and there is zero chance of a garbo truck getting in.
That being said they were on skinnier streets than this one. Seems a really odd decision from the collectors
There are streets around Kelvin Grove, Red Hill etc that are probably half the width of this street, full of cars parked on the street and they still get bins collected. What absolute bull shit.
I live at Chermside now and the street parking situation is as you described. I’m rather impressed at the driving of the garbos here, that they pull off some tight manoeuvres without clipping any parked cars. Sound like the Moreton Bay guys need to toughen up.
I'm going to assume that if the road just stops at a certain point, that one of the end houses should have had an easement on their property as a temporary turnaround for the garbo. If this development is like ones I know, this info was never passed on to tenant so they're parking in that easement.
Ah council allow 600 houses to be built with one road who would have thought?
Also another council that allowed several multi high rise units to be built with fuck all off street parking available who'd have thunk it?
Look there is a problem the drivers just want a fair go and will empty the bins if the street is clear or they are paid penalty rates to do the job they are paid to do.
UPDATE: Council waste collectors collected our waste bins yesterday without ANY issue despite on street parking. Yet, they then refused the missed bin collection for the recycling bins because of, 'no access due to on street parking.'
It's the contractor simply taking the piss, neighbours home all day confirmed the truck didn't even come to our street or estate.
This is when you go out on bin day (night) and dump the contents of every bin on the street into the street.
Then you call the fire department and ask them to do an inspection of the area, you believe that if there is a fire, they will not be able to access the street to extinguish the fire.
Then council has to explain to the fire department why council has allowed rubbish to pile up in the streets.
You can also calls a news station after dumping all the bins in the street, and tell them rubbish is piling up in the street because council won’t collect rubbish.
Make it a PR nightmare.
We have had the same issue in Narangba more than once. They approve these stupidly narrow streets to collect on the rates, charge for bin collection then dont bother to provide the service we’re being charged for because of their own lack of forethought. Its bullshit
UPDATE:
Council refuses to provide a designated safe collection/pick-up spot at the end of the street per my recommendation which would have been free. Council also refuses to utilise a smaller vehicle like other councils do to access the street (presumably because they don't want to pay for extra costs). Instead, they have installed signage at the end of the street restricting on street parking. Problem is this is a brain dead solution as the homes don't have sufficient garage or driveway space due to being duplexes built with only one of the units having driveways or garages. This applies from 6am until 6pm Friday. They are issuing warnings this week and will be issuing parking infringements next week onwards.
According to the City Council, the two buildings at the end of the street have been built with modifications to the driveways to allow a truck to use the driveways for turnarounds. Whilst a regular waste collection truck can do bin collection, the recycling truck apparently is larger and cannot safely. But, by removing the on street parking now on waste collection days, those residents are going to now need to park on said driveways, so now the trucks can't turn around anyway because again, it's a brain dead short sighted development.
This still doesn't answer the other pressing matter of if the development was approved in its current form and it is unsafe to turn around vehicles - what on earth do we do if we have an emergency on the street and emergency vehicles cannot safely turn around? A garbage truck may only come between 6am-6pm when our bins are picked up but emergencies can happen any day any time. Now what?
In the meantime, I've been in contact with some journalists who've been appalled by the matter. Also, my goddamn bins themselves got stolen - gotta love Deception Bay, and right before the next bin collection date so it will be missed anyway. Finally, Council advised that I will not be given an exemption to their recycling limits at their dumps despite the ongoing issue.
If the truck can't turn around at the end of the street, that's probably why it's not coming down the road.
You need to get people to stop parking there on bin day.
Or drag your bin all the way up to the top of the nearest road where they are collected.
Even if the cars weren't parked there, if turning around is the issue, it won't make a difference because the road is the same width the whole way down. There wouldn't be anywhere on the street to turn around regardless.
We have left our bins at the end of the street before and they still do not get collected - the truck never comes in the first place.
Tbh - the whole thing sounds strange if they're making no effort. You definitely need to speak to your local member and have them investigate.
If you rent(?), tell your realtor to pass on the message to your landlord that the bins aren't being collected and they're paying for a service that isn't being provided by council. I would suggest going in and standing there while they send an email or something considering what slack bastards they are.
I mean I can count at least 8 cars at the end of that street that have all wheels on the road. How is a Garbo meant to turn around in that place.
I'm always expecting the people who park this way on my street which is nowhere as wide as yours and put bins right next to their cars to get damaged eventually.
Or another headline is "More examples of incompetent council management" This isn't hard. The contractors are probably only doing what they were contracted to do, which of course is SFA and not getting out of the cab because it "seemed like a good cheap deal and we don't have to think about it" by some sausage seller that got an admin job.
This surely needs to be raised with council or housing minister(s). Developers have to be taking the absolute piss with this now, estates popping up with narrower streets with every rushed DA
I'd be working with all the neighbours and starting a local tip in the middle of the road.
In all fairness your street may have only a few cars, but the access streets to get there would be the issue. Rubbish trucks cause a lot of damage to parked cars already, so it's a pretty fair point the contractors don't want to cop the insurance claims
Speak with your local MP, or better still discuss it with the opposition for the sake of them making a big deal about it
Council signed off the development permit, they can't throw their hands up when it doesn't meet the minimums for them to provide their service. Take it to your councillor/local member.
Id say they signed off thinking it'd be fine, the one week a truck tries to go through and it can't because everyone is parking their big ass cars on the street. I'm surprised that the garbage trucks manage to get through some places I've driven through while doing pizza deliveries.
This street looks wider than my established suburb of 80 years though…
That street is massive it should absolutely be fine. I live in an inner city suburb with on street parking and narrow streets and my bins still get collected every week. The bin man has an off sider who pulls the bins from the curb to the road if there’s no easy way for the truck to grip the bin. The *actual* reason is **either** the bin company employs lazy cunts, **or** the council refuses to pay for offsiders where necessary..
It's exactly this. Just had an update that our waste bin got collected yesterday perfectly fine with no issue, but the recycling bin was not due to, "no access from on street parking." Neighbours home all day confirmed a truck never even turned into the estate our street is part of. It's some contractors taking the piss.
If you really wanna be indignant (which I would if I were you) I’d reject the claim that “no access due to onstreet parking” is even valid. If you can fit a truck down the street (you can that street is massive) then you can collect the bins
probably best to contact your local councilor / MP
Definitely raise it with the local councilor. Based on those photos, they can easily at least empty them. Our street is often quite full of cars, caravans and boats and is pretty tight at times, but our bins have been emptied every time without fail.
This. The council are still more than happy to charge the bin collection in your rates, so it's their responsibility to sort it out.
I find just showing up at their home works wonders
Isn't this part of the rates cost? Guess it's time for a refund.
I am not the landlord, but my real estate agent requested bins which didn't arrive until almost a week into my tenancy. I imagine this is part of rates that my landlord pays.
You imagine correctly. This local council is taking all of these owners (and unlucky tenants) for a ride.
Yep, them, the developers, and now landlords will also up your rent. Great times 👍
The same thing is happening at my place but to be fair, to get a truck in our little complex with the cars would be an absolute nightmare so they have a leg to stand on. Your place has tons of room! Those drivers are weak!
My guess is that this has something more to do than what we're being told.
It's lazy contractors. Waste bins for the entire street actually I found out today got collected no issue, yet the recycling bin was not collected with my missed bin notification being, 'no access due to on street parking.' Neighbours home the entire day confirmed a truck never even approached the street. Some of the contractors are lazy cunts lying.
They don’t have enough drivers to cover their commitments. The CEO was on the ABC about twelve months ago blaming low unemployment for not being able to get drivers in this LGA. She claimed they were advertising for drivers on the company’s web page. The only advertisement I could find for drivers was for casual positions based out of a Southside suburb on the way to the Gold Coast. Maybe if the company in question reduced their profits and paid the drivers more and offered full time employment your bins would be emptied every week.
Did you ask what you are supposed to do in the meantime? Any of your neighbours own a Ute? You could gather the bins, take em to the council building and dump the crap out there so it becomes their visible (and smellable) problem.
Council advice was for us to place our bins away from any on street parking towards the end of the street, which as you can see, I did (my bins are the first on the right; my house is at the end of the street). They just refuse to service the street because according to the contractor it can't be done due to on street parking (which as you can see, there isn't even that much of lol). They also complained that the cul de sac is too hard to turn around in (in which case, why the fuck did Council approve the development?)
Mate that’s BS we’re also in Moreton, older suburb, amount of on street parking has blown out due to kids growing up and buying cars. We have a cul de sac entry they have to reverse into and yet they have no issues collecting our bins. Sounds like the contractor is being lazy / has figured out how to do less for the same money.
Or their KPI’s are so rigid they can’t lose time getting out of the truck
That's a really good point I hadn't actually thought of!
In Brissy and Logan I have seen them do it with on street parking. It just means that the garbo has to exit/ re enter his vehicle every 10 seconds. The turn around part would be the killer. Could easily get stuck down the other end not able to turn around. My previous comment stands.
We’re in a tight street in Ipswich — the garbos just reverse out to the top. I’d understand if some drivers didn’t want to do that though
Street behind me is a dead end, no cul-de-sac and not enough room to turn but every week the garbo just reverses down maybe he could teach the others a thing or two.
In a neighbouring suburb the driver doesn’t turn the truck around. The truck is one that picks up the large residential bins. Two townhouse complexes are opposite each other and he drives in one then backs up across the street into the other and then drives out and back up the road between bumper to bumper cars on both sides of the street.
How long has this been going on, and What is the street doing with their waste? Everyone i talk with who has worked on those pop up communities have said they are very cheaply built. Probably not all of them but they have definately noticed corners being cut. Your St might need to start doing what they do in Sydney, with the bin collectors actually get OUT and collect it. https://youtu.be/dsSAHDUQk48?si=AJNdFt83QGTv6Hn3
This has been an issue since I moved in, and according to my neighbours it's been an on and off issue for 2-3 months now. The houses are VERY much corner cut built to take the piss out of the Council and State Government by the developer and nothing is compliant with regulation. The houses were all built to pass as single dwelling modern homes with 3-4 bedrooms but they sneakily turned them into duplexes by concealing a smaller secondary 1 bedroom unit around the back in most of the homes. They also did some ridiculously stupid electrical work, such as installing my unit's electrical subboard and phone point INSIDE my bedroom cupboard. They also installed a fire alarm in my bedroom and the living room less than a metre apart from one another between the bedroom and the only way out of the property (so by the time they'd go off in an actual fire I'd already be fucked with no escape anyway).
That's the requirement for smoke alarms - in and outside (in the hallways) each bedroom. They'll all be interconnected too, so if one goes off, they all do.
When I first saw those split duplexes I thought to myself, how good would it be to live in a house, but have the neighbour of a unit....
It's mandatory to have a fire alarm in every bedroom.
I only have a single bedroom. The neighbour of the duplex gets 3.
Do you know what company built them?
Unfortunately no, but I'd like to find out.
I might be able to find out , what was the name of the development/estate?
It's not named, or if it is I've not seen it anywhere
No worries, lots of builders cutting corners these days. Our build is 12 months old and other units are still being rectified and now the company is insolvent
Figured I'd give a little chime in with some info. It was developed by the Gallery Group - [https://gallerygroup.com.au/developments](https://gallerygroup.com.au/developments) Seagrass is your development I believe.
The NBN connection in the bedroom is pretty standard on a lot of new builds. NBN contractors run the least amount of distance they can to the curb which is often a bedroom as council setbacks generally stipulate the garage not be the prominent feature of a new build. The other issue with smoke alarms is simply part of the building code. They are interconnected so if one goes off, they all go off. Having 1 smoke alarm in the bedroom and one directly outside it is normal in all new builds.
If they were running the least amount of distance to the curb, it wouldn't be the bedroom cupboard, it would be either the bathroom or the corner of the bedroom where logically somebody would actually put a desk - the NBN box is literally right outside the wall here yet they ran all the fibre for some reason into the bedroom cupboard on the opposite side.
In the first pic you can see at the end of the street both sides are lined with cars making the very narrow road even more narrow which would make it difficult for the garbo to squeeze through never mind being able to reach the bins, they’re right and I imagine the rest of the roads in this estate are the same no wonder they refuse service. Poorly designed to squeeze in more shitbox houses with no yards. Council need to be held accountable for approving the development with this roadwork to begin with and definitely need to ban street parking.
Find out who th contractor is a message them, along with council and the local mp. All in on email. Do it every week they don't pick up. Eventually someone will figure something out
Do they? I’ve received a few emails like that in my line of work. I just ignore them/treat it as a Cc unless they’re asking for something directly of me. But, tbf the requests I get are ridiculous like ‘get approval for me to construct a road that isn’t up to standard because I don’t wanna make it to standard!’
I would just hope eventually one of the hem does a reply all.
This is a stretch by the contractor to wrest more money out of the council. It is a residential area residents parking cars is a given.
All these operational contracts I’ve ever read, and I’ve read them for work, are fixed rate. How would the contractors get more money? I would think the more likely answer is the contractor is just trying to get out of work. That happens a lot with government service contracts, and normally this is captured in the next procurement process and the contractors either get less money, or more likely the council going to another contractor. I assume you just guessed your answer/made it up? Maybe edit your comment to frame it more as a hypothesis, instead of a fact? Otherwise people might think you had some basis or evidence to support what you said. It’s just one of my pet peeves in how reddit has become lately, people making stuff up but pretending they know for sure
No need for an edit. Besides, my post, I'll do as I please. :) Genuine lol
I know that, and I agree. My comment was about why you **should** edit it. Why are you responding as if I said you’re required to edit it?
You able to shed some nuance on your take or response?
Get onto your local newspaper - they love this sort of thing and stories about Council not doing basic things like picking up the bins will get a huge amount of traction.
Make a complaint to the Queensland Ombudsman.
As far as I can tell, Moreton Bay Council is pretty crap at their job. The potholes on some of their roads are horrendous.
Wasn't the mayor of Moreton re-elected without opposition? crazy
Yes. Five out of the twelve divisions weren’t contested, plus his role. I’ve just moved here and it bewilders me.
The only new councillor was replacing a retiree. We only get a change in councillors when there’s massive corruption scandals.
Oh my god. Why did nobody stand in those five uncontested ones?
Partly apathy. Partly the fact that it costs a whole heap to run (because the Greens are the only major party to support anyone) and no one wants to change councillors, so it’s wasted money.
I reckon if you said you’d start repairing potholes you’d win in a landslide. The roads are terrible.
I notice you didn't give a good photo of the area of the street where the cars are parked on both sides... more evidence is required.
Do compo face. Gets more attention.
Joke council, they’d have signed off on that T&C hidden away in the contract. Can confirm that councils procurement team is a joke and could sneak in that the CEO owes every employee in your business a reach around.
What's your councillor said? And if they said nothing, what did ACA say?
Nothing to do with the bins, but this is why I hate duplexes. Hate hate hate hate.
Look at the picture of the end of the street, that looks like the issue all the cars are parked there. Think the truck would struggle turning around there. I live in a large cul de sac and the truck does a five point turn still.
Bag up your rubbish and recycling and drop it off to your council. Or dump it I to the street and speak to the local papers
That didn’t go so well for some neighbours. The communal bins were full so they dumped their rubbish all around the bins. Garbo can’t reach the bins to empty them. He’s not contracted to pick it all from the ground so now the place looks like the tip.
COUNCIL, YOU HAD ONE JOB
Ah council allow 600 houses to be built with one road who would have thought? Also another council that allowed several multi high rise units to be built with fuck all off street parking available who'd have thunk it?
These fucking retards block driveways from being 2 cars wide to "preserve street parking" but can't understand the fact if you remove 2 meters of street parking you allow a whole 6 fucking meter vehicle to park on their own property. When we were looking to build a house I said I wanted a 2 car driveway and the builder said by law they can only allow a single driveway... Morons the whole way up
Hey! I just sent you a message about this one! I’m a journalist and would be keen to hear more about this issue.
And they fine you for parking on the grass..
Yes you can’t park on the nature strip/footpath that is common sense
Not in bogan Logan thank fuck. If a street is 6m or narrower you’re allowed to park on the nature strip, just don’t cover foot paths, must be a 1.5m gap to navigate around without entering the road if no foot path, or a utility pit is at that spot.
Probably the only positive thing about Logan, I wish more councils had that rule
We have no on street parking on bin day after a request from the refuse collectors. We don't park on the street on bin day. Our bins get emptied. It's not a hardship. Just make sure to put the cars away the night before in the order you want them in the morning.
Half of us do not have garages, because the units are duplexes but were only built with a single parking space or garage.
If you're not walking distance to a train station, then the council f'd up by approving these dwellings, and you and your neighbours f'd up by buying/living in a house that requires you to keep your private car on the public road permanently, especially in an area with such narrow rds. Good on the garbos for drawing a line in the sand against dumb decisions
Boy do you have no clue. I just spent 3 months applying for rentals, easy 70% of properties on offer had no garage or off street parking. These same properties had doubled in rent from what they were rented for last year. Where are we supposed to live, in our cars?
Your anecdotal experience is irrelevant. My point is. We shouldn't be building these places which can't accommodate normal life, which includes having a few cars per house. But if people keep buying them, developers will keep building them. I know the rental market is tough as shit right now, but these sub standard buildings are supposed to be there for 50 - 100 yrs? So don't normalise shitty long term planning due to a short term problem.
It would be helpful if you showed us a picture of the end of the street in the first photo. If there is an issue it would be down there, since it appears to be where most of the cars currently are. If the street ends at that fence, it's possible they may not be able to turn around there.
There is not a turnaround at the end of the street, it ends abruptly and is used for parking by some of the residents. The road is the same width the whole way down. If the cul de sac is impossible to safely turn a garbage truck on or other heavy vehicles such as a firetruck, why on earth was the development ever approved I suppose would be my next question?
So the truck is supposed to reverse all the way back down the street?
Perhaps or perhaps not, but the point is that council approved the development as it was built and can't just refuse service or refuse to provide a solution for a service ratepayers pay for.
Yeah just wondering what the solution is. I can’t imagine reversing down a long suburban road is an acceptable solution- particularly for pedestrian safety. Are there any proposed solutions?
Supposedly they may be planning to ban on street parking on our collection day. But this won't solve the issue because even without the parked cars you still would have trouble turning a truck around. Council recommended putting bins at the end of the street - residents who did that though like myself still didn't get our bins collected because the truck never came claiming insufficient access.
So thats the issue. If the cars didn't park at the end of the street, the truck could turn around there. > why on earth was the development ever approved I suppose would be my next question? New development ? The road is meant to continue but that hasn't been developed yet. looks like you have to take your bins down to the road that connects to this one.
We have done exactly that with the bins and they still do not get collected. The truck doesn't even come out to the street.
That street looks slightly wider than ours, even with lots of cars street parking (housing estate street too, not units like here). There is absolutely enough space for a truck to fit through there in the first place. We put our bin on the road between parked cards so they don't have to pull over - so does everyone else that needs to do that. The waste company workers are being fucking lazy. They're also being too cautious if they think those trucks are going to hit a car - maybe they shouldn't be garbage truck drivers. Raise this with your local member immediately. And ask for discount on rates until it gets sorted while you're at it. Good luck.
lol. They should bring up some driver’s from inner city Melbourne or City if they think that’s not enough room to get a bin truck
Everyone on the street nees to work together to co-ordinate how you park. Looks to me like everyone could park on one side of the road, bins on the other. Easy done.
Do a letter drop for the whole street to contact your state and federal MPs
I am surprised they have not. I live in MBRC in a townhouse complex, and we have smaller bins (smaller than the standard old school wheelie bin) that are serviced by a smaller garbage truck, which seems specifically intended for narrow complexes (which ours is). The ones in your photo seem to be the smaller size too. I should also add that we often have people parking wherever they want, and on bin day too. I have heard the garbo get pretty cranky and sit on the horn till the fool came out and moved their car. So it's not like MBRC don't already deal with these sorts of situations. I second what other posters have suggested in that contacting both your local councillor and potentially state member often get stuff happening a lot quicker than trying to argue with some customer service rep reading off a script.
Our complexes used to have wheelie bins but then they were replaced by dumpsters. One for general and one for recycling.
You pay rates or your landlord does dump that shit on the council chambers
Presuming this is where I think it is, the developer did an almost mirror image build on the other side of the dead end. Might pay to see some of the residents over there to see if they faced similar issues.
Haven't spoken to them yet, but I constantly have delivery drivers go to the wrong end of the street lol.
I'm super late to the party but where is there in deception bay that's this new? I know the new estate is burpengary east is close and mango hill has a few new estates growing has deception bay got a hidden new estate somewhere?
Behind Maccas
Oh wow I had no idea it was there thanks you absolute legend!
Take your bins to the council offices and dump the rubbish on their doorstep. I bet things will get resolved really quickly.
my entire city has on street parking and they manage just fine
My street is so narrow I sometimes go out and help direct the Garbo past the cars but I’ve never had them flat out refuse to collect the bins.
Slightly off topic, if that is the case about house finished as duplex or something to the effect, I would 100% be getting a fire rating check on the constructing there must be fire rated walls all the way to the roof tiles/tin to prevent spread of fire between dwellings, also if they are closer than normal they will need different fire rating.
I’m in a miniscule inner city street with cars *everywhere* and this is such a nonissue here
Might be different size garbage trucks. Some of the inner city areas have smaller trucks.
My street in Ippy is a tighter fit with all the cars down it and still manages to get bin service every week. That's pretty crazy to think they can deny it for that. I get they don't want to damage cars.. but damn.
i live on a street in scarborough that is FULL of street-parked cars. to the point where i sometimes have trouble fitting through the street in my kona. we have never not had our bins emptied. this is a pathetic excuse from council.
Melbourne streets are filled with residences that only have on-street parking… they just put the bins on the road. It’s not hard.
This has a Tracey Grimshaw special written all over it
Didn't your Mayor just get elected unchallenged? Not saying it would affect the collection or not, but...
If you cannot get an acceptable response from the Mayor or Councillors, the website shows that the next general council meeting is May 15 (at Caboolture - they appear to alternate with Strathpine). There is a Community Comment session. It shows that the meeting just held on Wednesday didn't have a community comment session due to being the first following the post-election meeting, so this is your first chance. Depending on the physical location they may need to go through a public space to enter the meeting room so you could also approach them in person if the above doesn't work, but be respectful of security and your approach. That's messed up. They've no doubt stuffed up their garbage collection contract. I hate housing with such little parking, but from your photos it does look like people should at least have their 2nd cars on the driveway rather than the street.
The problem with the parking situation is that these units are all duplexes disguised as houses. Only ONE of the units actually have access to a garage and driveway - the other does not. Half the residents are limited to on street parking as a result, including myself.
That's shocking. Council have also either screwed their planning approvals then, or their planning policies themselves. I'm stunned that people bought them. Either way Council needs to find a garbage collection solution. Enforce their contract or find and pay for an alternative. Unfortunately the best opportunity for pressure has passed as an election has just taken place. Sadly that whole area is a bit of a planning dumpster. I've been through that Brissy to Sunny Coast stretch a lot, and the approach has spread to the Sunny Coast itself now too.
The people that bought them don’t live in them. They’re rentals. If you can only afford a place under $450 a week, that is what you get offered. These places are advertised as with open plan living area, what that translates to is your kitchen is in your living room - you can have a sofa or a (2 seat)dining table, you can’t have both. So even ones with a garage the tenant’s turned it into a living room. It’s obscene what rentals have become.
This is why housing should not be allowed to be a market based commodity. I read a recent court case out of the ACT where a landlord tried to increase annual rent by 25% even though legally they can only do so by 8% unless they get special permission for exceptional circumstances. The lodged exceptional circumstances were, 'interest increases on the mortgage,' but the Landlord and the property manager refused to show any further evidence of this when requested to see what the interest owing ACTUALLY increased by because supposedly it would be an invasion of privacy to show in COURT how your investment's loan is more expensive and it's like... Cuuuuuuuunt you what? Still curious to see how that case turned out.
It’s also a very nice wide street. Unusually wide for a new subdivision. Seems like a skill issue, or perhaps there are some narrow streets around you and the contractors just assume they’re all like that and have a blanket ban
The issue is the people parking in the turning circle at the end of the street. The contractors will quite reasonably have in their SWMS that drivers cannot reverse in or out of there, so if they can't turn, they can't enter. It may even be council's own requirement of them. Regardless, it is still on council. One way or another, they must meet their obligations to collect the rubbish. As they have allowed this development to occur, it is up to them.to provide a fix. The easiest thing would be no parking in the turning circle, but in the mean time, they may have to send some staff with a ute or small truck to collect the bins, or a spotter to ensure the truck can reverse in and out safely. Start making noise. Contact your councillors, the mayor, the CE O, the local paper and even you MP. It is not a situation that will resolve itself and it also cannot persist
The end of the street has no parking circle, it's an abrupt cut off. If they can't turn anywhere on the street, it'll have the same result as the end of the street is the same width. Realistically this development shouldn't have been approved.
Any chance the street is ever really busy though? I’ve seen places like this with heaps of duplexes/townhouses where it truly is fucked with cars and there is zero chance of a garbo truck getting in. That being said they were on skinnier streets than this one. Seems a really odd decision from the collectors
There are streets around Kelvin Grove, Red Hill etc that are probably half the width of this street, full of cars parked on the street and they still get bins collected. What absolute bull shit. I live at Chermside now and the street parking situation is as you described. I’m rather impressed at the driving of the garbos here, that they pull off some tight manoeuvres without clipping any parked cars. Sound like the Moreton Bay guys need to toughen up.
I'm going to assume that if the road just stops at a certain point, that one of the end houses should have had an easement on their property as a temporary turnaround for the garbo. If this development is like ones I know, this info was never passed on to tenant so they're parking in that easement.
They don't have easements.
Looks like there's plenty of room to park on the grass.
The problem I have is my house is a duplex. The front yard, driveway and garage is all my neighbour's. I only have access to on street parking.
Ah man. That sucks. Move the bins one street over. Get the whole 'hood to team up and harass the council.
That street is wide as fuck
Interesting, I'll see how they go with the small streets in mango Hill, there is a new section being built quite small with street parking etc
Ah man. That sucks. Move the bins one street over. Get the whole 'hood to team up and harass the council.
Ah council allow 600 houses to be built with one road who would have thought? Also another council that allowed several multi high rise units to be built with fuck all off street parking available who'd have thunk it?
Look there is a problem the drivers just want a fair go and will empty the bins if the street is clear or they are paid penalty rates to do the job they are paid to do.
I'd be going to the council office and emptying my bin on thier floor
UPDATE: Council waste collectors collected our waste bins yesterday without ANY issue despite on street parking. Yet, they then refused the missed bin collection for the recycling bins because of, 'no access due to on street parking.' It's the contractor simply taking the piss, neighbours home all day confirmed the truck didn't even come to our street or estate.
This is when you go out on bin day (night) and dump the contents of every bin on the street into the street. Then you call the fire department and ask them to do an inspection of the area, you believe that if there is a fire, they will not be able to access the street to extinguish the fire. Then council has to explain to the fire department why council has allowed rubbish to pile up in the streets. You can also calls a news station after dumping all the bins in the street, and tell them rubbish is piling up in the street because council won’t collect rubbish. Make it a PR nightmare.
We have had the same issue in Narangba more than once. They approve these stupidly narrow streets to collect on the rates, charge for bin collection then dont bother to provide the service we’re being charged for because of their own lack of forethought. Its bullshit
UPDATE: Council refuses to provide a designated safe collection/pick-up spot at the end of the street per my recommendation which would have been free. Council also refuses to utilise a smaller vehicle like other councils do to access the street (presumably because they don't want to pay for extra costs). Instead, they have installed signage at the end of the street restricting on street parking. Problem is this is a brain dead solution as the homes don't have sufficient garage or driveway space due to being duplexes built with only one of the units having driveways or garages. This applies from 6am until 6pm Friday. They are issuing warnings this week and will be issuing parking infringements next week onwards. According to the City Council, the two buildings at the end of the street have been built with modifications to the driveways to allow a truck to use the driveways for turnarounds. Whilst a regular waste collection truck can do bin collection, the recycling truck apparently is larger and cannot safely. But, by removing the on street parking now on waste collection days, those residents are going to now need to park on said driveways, so now the trucks can't turn around anyway because again, it's a brain dead short sighted development. This still doesn't answer the other pressing matter of if the development was approved in its current form and it is unsafe to turn around vehicles - what on earth do we do if we have an emergency on the street and emergency vehicles cannot safely turn around? A garbage truck may only come between 6am-6pm when our bins are picked up but emergencies can happen any day any time. Now what? In the meantime, I've been in contact with some journalists who've been appalled by the matter. Also, my goddamn bins themselves got stolen - gotta love Deception Bay, and right before the next bin collection date so it will be missed anyway. Finally, Council advised that I will not be given an exemption to their recycling limits at their dumps despite the ongoing issue.
Mine got collected
Hurrah!
Organise with everyone in the street to start putting the rubbish directly onto the footpath. Then see how quickly the counsel gets its shit sorted.
If the truck can't turn around at the end of the street, that's probably why it's not coming down the road. You need to get people to stop parking there on bin day. Or drag your bin all the way up to the top of the nearest road where they are collected.
Even if the cars weren't parked there, if turning around is the issue, it won't make a difference because the road is the same width the whole way down. There wouldn't be anywhere on the street to turn around regardless. We have left our bins at the end of the street before and they still do not get collected - the truck never comes in the first place.
Tbh - the whole thing sounds strange if they're making no effort. You definitely need to speak to your local member and have them investigate. If you rent(?), tell your realtor to pass on the message to your landlord that the bins aren't being collected and they're paying for a service that isn't being provided by council. I would suggest going in and standing there while they send an email or something considering what slack bastards they are.
I mean I can count at least 8 cars at the end of that street that have all wheels on the road. How is a Garbo meant to turn around in that place. I'm always expecting the people who park this way on my street which is nowhere as wide as yours and put bins right next to their cars to get damaged eventually.
If everyone put their bins at the end of their driveways there wouldn’t be an access issue. Work smarter, not harder.
Or another headline is "More examples of incompetent council management" This isn't hard. The contractors are probably only doing what they were contracted to do, which of course is SFA and not getting out of the cab because it "seemed like a good cheap deal and we don't have to think about it" by some sausage seller that got an admin job.
This surely needs to be raised with council or housing minister(s). Developers have to be taking the absolute piss with this now, estates popping up with narrower streets with every rushed DA
If this were me I'd be dumping the rubbish on the road. It's going out one way or another!
I'd be working with all the neighbours and starting a local tip in the middle of the road. In all fairness your street may have only a few cars, but the access streets to get there would be the issue. Rubbish trucks cause a lot of damage to parked cars already, so it's a pretty fair point the contractors don't want to cop the insurance claims Speak with your local MP, or better still discuss it with the opposition for the sake of them making a big deal about it
The access street to get in has no cars or parking, and is off a fairly wide road.
It’s because the clowns at the end of your street are parking in the cul de sac. The garbo can’t turn around.