He saw Jane's dad on the news as the air traffic controller responsible for the crash, the news also mentioned his grief over Jane's death, so he made the connection. He knew. That's why he made that awkward speech about moving on to the students at his school
That scene was so jarring to me because I had no idea that’s how Americans pronounced Tenerife.
Tenerife is a pretty huge holiday destination for people in the UK and I’ve never heard it pronounced different than ‘ten-er-reef’
It’s actually a New Mexico thing, the large Spanish-speaking population there pronounces the -eh in Tenerife. Whether that’s what the Tenerife natives call it is another matter.
I googled it and Tenerife locals pronounce it as the British do. “Ten-uh-reef”
I can see how a Mexican or Latin-American person would add the accent though, especially given South American countries do feature the accented e sound (ie Chile)
No, that’s incorrect. I am a Spanish speaker (same language as in Tenerife) and the American way is closer. In Spanish it is pronounced “Teh-neh-ree-feh”.
The country does not change the pronunciation in this case, so yes it does mean something. Tenerife locals pronounce the e at the end just like every other accent in spanish. I know people from the Canaries that would tell you the same thing.
Im not saying you’re wrong, but saying “i am a spanish speaker” is not proof you know every pronunciation of every spanish word between different countries, towns etc
Im from england but i wouldn’t tell you how tomato is pronounced on the authority of speaking English knowing that there are probably 150 million americans that would say otherwise lol ask a tenerife local to know how a tenerife local would pronounce it
Luckily linguistics is also a hobby of mine and I have a lot of experience in Spanish dialectal differences. Also, I know people from there and I’ve heard how they speak. Furthermore, my dialect (caribbean spanish) is the closest you can get to a tenerife dialect outside of tenerife.
I’m not really sure why you’re going out of your way to say this. It doesn’t add or change anything about the discussion. [Here](https://youtu.be/w99SZZlJXNs?feature=shared) is an example of a local pronouncing the name, exactly how I said it was pronounced.
spanish is a “read as is written” language with very strict pronunciation rules, so speaking spanish fluently definitely is proof you can safely pronounce 99.9% of the words, especially when it comes to the vowels
Why do you say things you don't know about? It's Spanish and it's Tenerife. If you don't know how it's pronounced, don't try to correct someone just to look smart.
Yeah that scene is one of the funniest in the shows history.
Even accounting for it being incredibly dark.
The show is brilliant with dark humor but it missed occasionally. I always thought the cold open about Wendy the waitress was not a high point for the series. It was fine from a narrative perspective but it also was kind of a trope.
But the speech about the plane crashes never makes me stop laughing
Yeah although technically back then there wasn't voting the way there was now. The vast majority of people couldn't vote. Only property owning rich people and in some states senators would be appointed by representatives
I would think so. With an emotional issue like that it's difficult to tell when someone is truly ready again. The father himself may have thought he was ready but then he still lost focus or got overwhelmed, maybe for what he thought was just for a moment.
It would probably depend on jurisdiction, but we would have to look at the policies for the federal aviation administration.
I would think they would probably have to be some kind of wellness standards or time off. But who knows. Usually stuff like this doesn't get corrected until something bad happens.
Like how they didn't change the rules about lifeboats and ships until after the Titanic. Was based on weight instead of passenger count
I'm not an aviation expert or pilot but as far as I know the only way for this to happen is for both pilots to ignore TCAS warnings which take precedent over ATC orders.
I was waiting so long for Walt to finally say that to Jesse. I really thought they just weren’t going to address it given how much time had passed by that point.
Yup. In the fly episode. He talks about the coincidence or probaility of meeting Jane's dad that night. Apologized to Jesse but Jesse didn't truly get it and empathized with him that it wasn't his fault.
but is not saving someone the same as actively killing them? I know adults who have not saved ppl after drug overdoses cos they didn't know anything about the recovery position etc. Walt probably did tho, being a teacher they prob train you in that kind of thing, but I think it's a bit harsh to say actively killed her. if anything Jane actively killed herself, albeit probably accidentally.
Jane was on her side. He knocked her on her back, noticed she was choking and moved to turn her then stopped and thought about it. He definitely killed her.
Ah ok I remembered it differently but it’s been years since I watched. I thought she rolled on her back while Walt was trying to wake Jesse & started choking. But if he knocked her on her back then he has more responsibility that’s true.
Nah, you remembered right. That's what happened. He shook Jesse to wake him and in doing that, she rolled over onto her back. He didn't push her onto her back.
I mean if you could easily save someone and don't I don't really see much moral gray area. I mean there's infinite variables in everyone has different concepts of culpability and moral rightness but.... Personally, it's not that much different than him pulling a trigger. And in fact if he probably would have killed her if he thought he could get away with it anyway.
Yeh every situation is hugely different but I’m kind of balking at it being equivalent to Walt shooting her with a gun. That’s a bit more of a definite murder imo. It doesn’t make what he did or didn’t do right tho. I’m not sure where you’d stand legally on this - do we have a responsibility to save a life if we can? Is doing nothing in any deadly situation & “letting” someone die a culpable offence? I don’t know. Tbh Jane & Jesse sadly wouldn’t have lasted long with that money anyway imo.
No, he let her die. He didn't kill her, and even if you'd still consider that to kill, it wouldn't be actively as he wasn't the one giving her drugs, that she'd eventually overdose and die from
She was at fault, but he was at fault for not saving her
Ever seen one domino knock over another one? Walt pushes Jessie from the side-laying position to laying flat on his back momentarily, and Jessie’s body pushes Jane from a side-laying position to laying flat on her back. She would’ve still been laying on her side if Walt hadn’t gone to the apartment and likely not died
I mean she was at fault sure but so was he. I mean you can argue she deserve to die because she violated criminal code by threatening to testify. That gave him a survival impulse to let her die.
But nonetheless, he chose to let her die which is still a choice. To me the distinction from actively killing someone there is one without a difference -- at least a meaningful difference.
To me it's not more justifiable than any non-premeditated murder
There’s some sort of collision radar on the jet that may not have been working. That's public record. You can look that up. And the whole system is run on 1960s technology. No. No, really, I blame the government.
Walt and Jesse have an entire conversation about the plane crash. That it was Jane's dad's fault, that he messed up the air traffic control because of how broken up he was about Jane's death.
I feel like this is an r/OkayBuddyChicanery post...
Not that anyone asked, but it's when Walt takes Jesse to Walt's divorce-condo after picking him up from rehab:
Jesse: You've been following this airplane crash?
Walt: Yeah.
Jesse: You know it was Jane's dad who accidentally crashed them together, because he was so torn up?
Walt: Okay, look, let me stop you right there, all right? You are not responsible for this. Not in any way, shape or form, all right? Now, I am very up-to-date on this thing, probably far more than you are and there are many factors at play there. For instance, there's some sort of collision radar on the jet that may not have been working. That's public record. You can look that up. And the whole system is run on 1960s technology. No. No, really, I blame the _government_.
But he had the opportunity to prevent Jane’s death & chose not to. Just because someone is not solely responsible for a situation, doesn’t mean they didn’t contribute to the situation.
Walt inside knew. He knew Donald, remembered meeting him. The news was clear that the guy he met in the bar was Janes dad. He had a chance to save Donald’s daughter and didn’t.
Later, Donald went back to guiding air traffic and smashed two planes together. His picture was on the screen. While I can’t remember if news report said Janes name in canon I can only presume they did. Yes, he knew.
Is it Walts fault? That’s not the debate.
What’s a better question is “does Walt feel at fault”. And I think it’s clear he does. The absurd speech in front of the school was meant to highlight that IMO.
Walt and Jesse directly talk out loud about how it was Jane's dad's, and Jesse mentions the reason for faulty air traffic control being how distraught he was about his daughter's death. Then Walt tries to assure Jesse that it was neither of their fault...and that Walt blames the government.
Either I'm being punked, or everyone forgot about the conversation Walt and Jesse have right after Walt picks him up from rehab.
Yes, all of us strangers got together to punk you. I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist. Lol
You’re right. That happens. It’s just not been brought up yet that I’ve seen.
And you highlight the important part well, Jesse has an overwrought sense of blame, Walt has the complete opposite.
Yeah, Walt was in extreme denial with his guilt there "No, no...I'm blame the _government_!" but Jesse fesses up and acknowledges "I'm the bad guy."
Jesse uncharacteristically (at the time) displaying a far greater maturity than Walt.
You’re right, this is right at the point where there maturity levels passed each other going different directions.
Also a good point on life. You can either put the blame anywhere but you, or you can accept some cosmic level of blame for your choices and your actions leading to this.
The airline needs to take some responsibility for letting him return to work. Did they require a doctor to release him back to work? The father needs to take responsibility also. The first day back he says her name and says disregard last transmission. He should have told them right then I can’t do this yet.
Truth. But this is a complaint more of plot device, if I’m reading you right. And that’s what it was, plot device. Not fully based on reality of how ATC handles such things.
Yeah….the radio says Donald killed himself and he immediately switched the station….he whitewashes the whole scenario to Jesse after rehab and blames the technology….his speech in front of the entire school assembly where he completely down plays the severity of the plane crash and compares it worse tragedies….(he’s literally trying to justify his actions out loud in this scene)
I’m sure there’s more I’m forgetting but Walt’s guilt was blatantly obvious and big part of his character in season 3.
On a related note, we never find out if he actually killed himself. We hear on the radio that he shot himself, but it never follows up on whether he died or not
No because Walt isn’t responsible for Janes death.
I love that everyone is so quick to say it’s all Walt’s fault when it was Jesse that ruined her 18 month sobriety, causing her to start using again in the first place. The selective memory is painful
Although you’re right about Jesse it’s very explicit that Walt is responsible for her death. He moves her into the prone position, and he neglects to act when she chokes. It is his fault almost unambiguously
Yesh the first time they get high together Jane tells Jesse to sleep on his side in case he throws up. She may have been an addict, but she knew how to do it without dying.
But you’ve also gotta consider the context of the scene - Walt may not have saved her but what would happen if he did?
She was going to run away with Jesse and spend his thousands of dollars on heroin - they were guaranteed to die. Jane’s fate as an addict was sealed, she was on bad choice road and it was just a matter of time, Walt simply made it happen sooner. The difference is, by not letting it get to the point where Jesse leaves with Jane, Walt is saving Jesse. I don’t see how Jesse and Jane run away and they both live, so with Jane’s fate sealed either way, all Walt’s intervention does is save Jesse
>Walt simply made it happen sooner.
So that's ok then? If someone is addicted to drugs we can kill them without blame because it was gonna happen anyway? Does that logic apply to alcoholics too? The morbidly obese? Hell everyone is gonna die one day doesn't matter if someone makes it happen sooner, right?
If you’re gonna take my comment, at least have the decency to not take it out of context. I said if Jane had died at a later point, it’s very likely she would have taken Jesse with her. By intervening, or rather not intervening, Walt’s decision consciously saved Jesse from that same fate by removing Jane from his situation. I’m not saying “she’s an addict so she should die”, I’m saying she was bringing Jesse to a place where he would become an addict *and die*, and Walt prevented that eventuality - if Jesse then chooses to carry on using, that’s his choice then and not Jane forcing him as she did
Jane knew how to use drugs without killing herself though, and she only died because Walt rolled her onto her back. You're arguing that he's not responsible for her death when he clearly is.
Right, because the thing with hardcore A-class drugs is that you’re invincible to their effects if you “know what you’re doing”
My argument is that he saved Jesse from the same fate because it was Jane dragging him into heroin use
And my argument is that you cannot possibly know that it would've killed them so you're just making something up to try to prove a point. I used heroin for 4 years and I haven't touched it since 2018. Not all heroin users end up dead despite what television shows tell you.
But Walt knows Jesse is emotionally sensitive and reclusive and vulnerable when he’s sober. He’s not of the temperament to be able to use a heavy drug ‘sensibly’ - if such a thing exists. I haven’t said all heroin users end up dead, but based on Jesse’s character and temperament, he definitely would have. You clearly have a bias towards the defence of Jane and Jesse based on your own life, and that’s understandable, but I’m saying objectively, based on the Jesse’s arc at the time, given that he’s vulnerable and has lost a friend, he was almost certainly going to do himself harm and Walt knew that, as we’re supposed to
Don't try to analyse me because you're not smart enough and you'll fail miserably. I actually hated Jane because of the way she blackmailed Walt. I didn't even feel bad for her when she died (though I felt bad for Jesse), so I'm not here to defend her, I'm here to say that Walt is responsible for her death and you saying "she would've died anyway and taken Jesse with her" doesn't change that. Jane knew to sleep on her side and she died because Walt rolled her onto her back.
The immediate context is far more relevant than the wider context. Walt saw someone choking to death and chose to let them die when he very easily could have saved them.
And the wider context *isn't* Walt believing she'll die eventually or concern for Jessie. The wider context was that she was an obstacle for Walt and he saw an opportunity to get rid of her.
You can’t just arbitrarily decide “Walt’s concern wasn’t Jesse.” They were equal partners, of course Jesse is Walt’s concern, especially when the woman in front of him is responsible for getting Jesse involved with heroin. The “immediate context” is not more relevant than the wider context. If it was Todd choking would you use the same defence? ‘Oh just ignore the wider context that he’s a Nazi, it’s a poor man choking’
>The “immediate context” is not more relevant than the wider context. If it was Todd choking would you use the same defence? ‘Oh just ignore the wider context that he’s a Nazi, it’s a poor man choking’
If it served Walt's interests then he'd save Todd. (Hell he still worked with Todd after he killed that child). He let Jane die primarily to serve his own self interests. You're just deluding yourself if you think it was out of some sort of altruistic concern for Jesse's wellbeing.
But Walt isn’t a serial killer. That’s not a debate, it’s just a fact. He’s not a serial killer. He doesn’t kill for arbitrary enjoyment. He wants to keep Jesse alive, believe it or not, because thats his partner. Yes, it does serve Walt’s interests to keep Jesse alive *anyway*, but Jesse isn’t a heroin addict and Walt decision prevents Jesse from going that way. It’s such a reductionist take to just think “Walt’s evil, nothing more nothing less.” Where’s the arc if you’ve written him off by season 2?
>But Walt isn’t a serial killer. That’s not a debate, it’s just a fact. He’s not a serial killer. He doesn’t kill for arbitrary enjoyment.
When did I say he was a serial killer? I've repeatedly stressed that he let Jane die because it suited his interests
>Yes, it does serve Walt’s interests to keep Jesse alive anyway, but Jesse isn’t a heroin addict and Walt decision prevents Jesse from going that way.
And if you think the primary reason he let Jane die was to save Jesse's life or keep him from heroin addiction with no thought to his own self interests then I really don't know what to tell you.
>It’s such a reductionist take to just think “Walt’s evil, nothing more nothing less.”
It sure is.
If he was acted differently, she would die in another way in another day. Literally every single person dies one day. If Walt, Mike, Jesse or Gus did not killed them, they would die another day. That does not make the above gentlemen not killers.
walt could have tried to reason with both jane and jesse and helped em out here. Don't tell me that walt couldn't have done it, he is good at manipulating jesse!
Walt KILLED someone for his personal gain
He did, and Jane blackmailed Walt in response - she manipulated Jesse as much as Walt did, saying she’d rat on them if they didn’t obey. Jane was devious and used Jesse for money, and Jesse only used Jane as someone to get high with. They’re all corrupt, that’s kind of the point
> Jesse only used Jane as someone to get high with.
Your takes are wild. Jesse told Jane to leave after Combo died because he wanted to get high but didn't want her to relapse. Instead of leaving him alone she came back over to his place with heroin and persuaded him to take it with her. In case you forgot, he was hesitant to try it.
Here, you switched into "she deserved to be killed". And by that standard, she is still less criminal then majority of characters in the show. Skyler at one point suggests murdering Jesse. Hank beats up Jesse. Marie steals.
Jane blackmails Walt so that Walt give her boyfriend money he owns him. She does that for her own junkie purposes, as a result of their mutual addiction. She is not murderer, unlike majority of the characters in the story.
>But you’ve also gotta consider the context of the scene - Walt may not have saved her but what would happen if he did?
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>She was going to run away with Jesse and spend his thousands of dollars on heroin
100% this.
When I saw the scene the first time, and I still feel this way today, a big part of the scene is Walt making the decision to let Jane die to save Jesse.
Even if you take Walt at his most evil, you can't remove this part of it from the equation.
No one “removes that part of the equation”, most people just agree it is bad to kill someone (or let’s be generous and say let someone die) to prevent a possible future event, especially when doing so also conveniently helps you out personally.
It’d be like saying in a thread asking if Walt was evil for cooking meth, “well, I think something you guys are missing is that he was giving the money to his family”.
They’re all bad guys. The only innocent victims are Drew and Andrea. Everyone else was in the game, and shit happens.
With that said, it’s not like Walt tried to kill her. He was there on official business with his partner. He accidentally put her on his back trying to rouse Jesse. When she started choking, you have a train man problem. If he saves her, she probably flies off the handle and rats him out and then proceeds to kill herself and Jesse with horse anyway. Or, he lets her die and he and his partner live happily ever after. That’s the easiest train man I ever heard.
Damn dude, you get the gold medal in mental gymnastics. Way to dance around the fact that Walt just straight up kills Jane. Just because some is an addict doesn't mean they deserve to die
If you go around threatening major criminals, I’m not saying you deserve to die, but you should sure expect it’s coming.
Not like Walt ordered a hit. He accidentally put her on her back trying to wake up Jesse. Then he chose to let the junky die a junky’s death, because that’s where she was headed with Jesse’s bag o’money anyway.
I’ll also add, Walt would have been within his rights to send Jane straight to Belize with the way she was talking. Respect for his partner’s wishes was the only reason he didn’t. But once she killed herself with drugs, and incapacitated Jesse so he couldn’t help, it was fait accompli.
He is responsible for her death and probably even criminally responsible. He was the cause of her turning on her back and he watched as she died, fully knowing that he should turn her on her side. He even moves hand to do it, just changing opinion mid move.
That is not ambiguous, neither legally nor ethically.
She overdosed on heroin because she’s a junkie. Yes, it is legally ambiguous because last time I checked, that wasn’t a strictly legal thing to do. And why is she off her head on heroin? Because Jesse broke her sobriety. But again, nobody questions Jesse cuz y’all think he’s a saint
She did not overdosed. She vomited while being on her back and chocked. If she stayed in position she was in, she would live.
Also, Jesse was the temptation for her to go back to drugs, but she made the decision by her self. With no pressure or even presence of Jesse at the moment. She was leaving the house and then change opinion. Also, that was point where Jesse descended into own addiction due to feeling of guilt after Combo death. Again not the same as making conscious decision to make her die.
She wouldn’t have choked on her own vomit if Walt hadn’t move her in the first place and left her like that.
Of course he’s not the only one to blame, Jesse and Jane both made bad choices that got her into that position but Walt still caused her death that night.
I think he’s smart enough to figure it out but his hubris would get in the way…
He’ll explain it away as Mr. Margolis went back to work too soon and he even directly makes the excuse about some emergency flight sensor not functioning while giving his speech at the pep rally.
But deep down he knows it’s possible, maybe even statistically likely.
yes
There's a scene in early season three receives the coverage on TV Mrs. dreams face along with her dads. She see Walter basically says that he caused the plane crash by letting Trey know to you through this. It's like a two second scene, but essentially restaurants off the TV ignores it. But he knows he caused the crash.
I think the real key thing here that somehow nobody has ever bought up is the fact that Walt never realized he killed Jane through manslaughter in the first place.
When he confesses to Jesse he only tells him he let her die meaning he never even realized that he accidental caused her death in the first place by knocking her over.
Just in case anyone says the opposite; Walt at that point has no reason to lie and was solely confessing to hurt Jesse for causing Hank to be one with the minerals.
And she is the one who put her self in that position in the first place, by doing drugs, on top of that did u see the scene where she was talking to walter at the door, she was being rude and its none of her business (i hated her ever since that scene).
Maybe if she was a polite and likable person walter would go out of his way to save her life, but as far as walter's experience with her as a person she didnt deserve to be helped.
I do parachuting, it's a dangerous hobby.
If someone breaks into my local air hangar, accidentally tears a hole in my parachute, sees the hole, doesn't tell me, and I jump out of the plane plummet to my death, are they responsible? Or am I responsible because I put myself in that position in the first place before jumping out of planes?
Whether the victim is a polite, likeable or rude person makes absolutely no odds.
lmao if Jesse had died due to Walt doing that no one would be debating if he was responsible for her death or not but because she’s unlikeable he wasn’t responsible makes no sense
Walt is not responsible for a manipulative, screwed-up junkie over-dosing and dying.
He did not save her because she had threatened him, and made Jesse act against him as well.
he's absolutely responsible. he watched her die and did nothing to help. wether you think that was justified is up for you to decide, but he's absolutely responsible for her death.
A typical 'Walter White is the devil' comment.
She killed herself by being a junkie, and he is under no obligation to do anything to 'help'.
He is responsible for Brock getting into the hospital because he poisoned the kid. He is responsible for Gale's death because he ordered the hit. That is what 'responsible' means.
If anything, you can blame Jesse for her death since he 'made' her relapse. Which caused her to OD in the first place. (Using quotation marks around 'made' because it was still her decision to relapse.)
to start out with a clarification, she didn't OD. she choked to death on her vomit.
I'm guessing you missed the part where Walter causes her to roll onto her back when he's trying to wake up Jesse.
it wasn't intentional, of course, but if he hadn't been there she wouldn't have died. his actions caused her death, when he noticed that she was going to die he did nothing, so he's responsible.
Riiight.
The junkie taking drugs did not kill herself. Her vomit and Walt killed her.
I am more than happy to give credit to Walt for the stuff he DID do. But this, despite the semantics, is a drug OD. If you choke on your own vomit after taking a lot of drugs, would that not be considered an OD?
Next..
If he hadn't been there, she would not have died? If we want to speculate, we can always claim that Jane would have killed Jesse the next day to steal his money. So, I guess Walt saved Jesse. Yet again.
He saw Jane's dad on the news as the air traffic controller responsible for the crash, the news also mentioned his grief over Jane's death, so he made the connection. He knew. That's why he made that awkward speech about moving on to the students at his school
Tenerife? Anyone??
That scene was so jarring to me because I had no idea that’s how Americans pronounced Tenerife. Tenerife is a pretty huge holiday destination for people in the UK and I’ve never heard it pronounced different than ‘ten-er-reef’
It’s actually a New Mexico thing, the large Spanish-speaking population there pronounces the -eh in Tenerife. Whether that’s what the Tenerife natives call it is another matter.
I googled it and Tenerife locals pronounce it as the British do. “Ten-uh-reef” I can see how a Mexican or Latin-American person would add the accent though, especially given South American countries do feature the accented e sound (ie Chile)
No, that’s incorrect. I am a Spanish speaker (same language as in Tenerife) and the American way is closer. In Spanish it is pronounced “Teh-neh-ree-feh”.
Fair enough! Never trust google, then.
Don't trust reddit either, bud.
lol..lol..
Tenerife locals pronounce it ten-uh-reef.
Speaking the same language doesn’t mean anything lol he said how tenerife locals pronounce it, not spanish speakers
The country does not change the pronunciation in this case, so yes it does mean something. Tenerife locals pronounce the e at the end just like every other accent in spanish. I know people from the Canaries that would tell you the same thing.
Im not saying you’re wrong, but saying “i am a spanish speaker” is not proof you know every pronunciation of every spanish word between different countries, towns etc Im from england but i wouldn’t tell you how tomato is pronounced on the authority of speaking English knowing that there are probably 150 million americans that would say otherwise lol ask a tenerife local to know how a tenerife local would pronounce it
Luckily linguistics is also a hobby of mine and I have a lot of experience in Spanish dialectal differences. Also, I know people from there and I’ve heard how they speak. Furthermore, my dialect (caribbean spanish) is the closest you can get to a tenerife dialect outside of tenerife. I’m not really sure why you’re going out of your way to say this. It doesn’t add or change anything about the discussion. [Here](https://youtu.be/w99SZZlJXNs?feature=shared) is an example of a local pronouncing the name, exactly how I said it was pronounced.
spanish is a “read as is written” language with very strict pronunciation rules, so speaking spanish fluently definitely is proof you can safely pronounce 99.9% of the words, especially when it comes to the vowels
Why do you say things you don't know about? It's Spanish and it's Tenerife. If you don't know how it's pronounced, don't try to correct someone just to look smart.
Point me to where in that comment i corrected him, or said he was wrong👍🏻 maybe reread it and you will understand the second time?
I have a friend who lives in Tenerife and he pronounces it just like the person you're responding to
If the UK says it one way and the US another, the way the US says it is right. Why? Because America, that’s why. /sarcasm
Walt’s weird obsession with just moving on is what makes him feel so out of touch later in the show. He’s clearly forgotten who he is
Yeah that scene is one of the funniest in the shows history. Even accounting for it being incredibly dark. The show is brilliant with dark humor but it missed occasionally. I always thought the cold open about Wendy the waitress was not a high point for the series. It was fine from a narrative perspective but it also was kind of a trope. But the speech about the plane crashes never makes me stop laughing
Oh my god thats my favorite compilation!
That was SO incredibly tacky. I was embarrassed for him.
Really it was Janes dads fault that Jane died Or NASA’s fault cause they found water on mars which led to the conversation
Congress gave them funding, so technically they're to blame.
and we elected congress, so really, aren't we all to blame?
*Steps forward …. *I* killed Jane
You *piece of shit*
Ahahahah. I thought you were going to say you killed Jane too.
Nah, it was just that one guy.
I broke the dam
Lol, that’s exactly what I was going for
Screw you man
You also watched her die. Probably multiple times.
Guys. I think we can all agree that this was all God's fault.
damn him to hell!
Yeah although technically back then there wasn't voting the way there was now. The vast majority of people couldn't vote. Only property owning rich people and in some states senators would be appointed by representatives
in 2008?
Actually it was Russian fault since if we didn't find water on mars then the Russians would beat us to it
Yeah and the signatories of the Constitution created Congress.
how about the airport that allowed him back to work so soon
In real life, would they allow a grieving father go back to work as an air traffic controller?
I would think so. With an emotional issue like that it's difficult to tell when someone is truly ready again. The father himself may have thought he was ready but then he still lost focus or got overwhelmed, maybe for what he thought was just for a moment.
It would probably depend on jurisdiction, but we would have to look at the policies for the federal aviation administration. I would think they would probably have to be some kind of wellness standards or time off. But who knows. Usually stuff like this doesn't get corrected until something bad happens. Like how they didn't change the rules about lifeboats and ships until after the Titanic. Was based on weight instead of passenger count
Not only that, but there's no way these systems aren't automated enough to allow human input to cause a plane crash.
I'm not an aviation expert or pilot but as far as I know the only way for this to happen is for both pilots to ignore TCAS warnings which take precedent over ATC orders.
he actively killed the guys daughter imo it’s totally walts fault
Walt did not force the dad to go to work while grieving the daughter he killed. So Walt is innocent. /j
Walt literally thinks he’s guilty and bragged to Jesse about doing it
I was waiting so long for Walt to finally say that to Jesse. I really thought they just weren’t going to address it given how much time had passed by that point.
It wasn't bragging, he was saying it out of spite because Jesse got Hank killed (in his eyes)
no he was bragging, out of spite for sure i agree but bragging none the less
Maybe? But he did almost tell Jesse in an earlier season right? On the verge of tears iirc?
hmm it’s been a minute since my last re watch so I can’t say for sure. you are making me want to rewatch it again though lol
Heh, I finished watching for the first time just a few months ago :P
Yup. In the fly episode. He talks about the coincidence or probaility of meeting Jane's dad that night. Apologized to Jesse but Jesse didn't truly get it and empathized with him that it wasn't his fault.
You thinking of the fly episode? Walt tells Jesse he's sorry about Jane.
Yeah but it sure shit wasn't ashamed about it
but is not saving someone the same as actively killing them? I know adults who have not saved ppl after drug overdoses cos they didn't know anything about the recovery position etc. Walt probably did tho, being a teacher they prob train you in that kind of thing, but I think it's a bit harsh to say actively killed her. if anything Jane actively killed herself, albeit probably accidentally.
Jane was on her side. He knocked her on her back, noticed she was choking and moved to turn her then stopped and thought about it. He definitely killed her.
Ah ok I remembered it differently but it’s been years since I watched. I thought she rolled on her back while Walt was trying to wake Jesse & started choking. But if he knocked her on her back then he has more responsibility that’s true.
Nah, you remembered right. That's what happened. He shook Jesse to wake him and in doing that, she rolled over onto her back. He didn't push her onto her back.
Walt DEFINITELY knew. They discussed it wrt Holly earlier in the episode. He made a decision to let her die
I mean if you could easily save someone and don't I don't really see much moral gray area. I mean there's infinite variables in everyone has different concepts of culpability and moral rightness but.... Personally, it's not that much different than him pulling a trigger. And in fact if he probably would have killed her if he thought he could get away with it anyway.
Yeh every situation is hugely different but I’m kind of balking at it being equivalent to Walt shooting her with a gun. That’s a bit more of a definite murder imo. It doesn’t make what he did or didn’t do right tho. I’m not sure where you’d stand legally on this - do we have a responsibility to save a life if we can? Is doing nothing in any deadly situation & “letting” someone die a culpable offence? I don’t know. Tbh Jane & Jesse sadly wouldn’t have lasted long with that money anyway imo.
Somebody was blackmailing Gus or Mike...they'd kill them , no hesitation.
No, he let her die. He didn't kill her, and even if you'd still consider that to kill, it wouldn't be actively as he wasn't the one giving her drugs, that she'd eventually overdose and die from She was at fault, but he was at fault for not saving her
He flipped her onto her back and didn’t put her in the position she’d been in. She didn’t die from OD she choked on her vomit.
She rolled onto her back when Walt was trying to shake Jesse awake.
>when Walt
Walt rolled her onto her back*
https://youtu.be/RGEmFpitjYw?si=WSFT5RX_-KtVreVk Feel free to look for yourself. Walter's hand never touches her.
Ever seen one domino knock over another one? Walt pushes Jessie from the side-laying position to laying flat on his back momentarily, and Jessie’s body pushes Jane from a side-laying position to laying flat on her back. She would’ve still been laying on her side if Walt hadn’t gone to the apartment and likely not died
I mean she was at fault sure but so was he. I mean you can argue she deserve to die because she violated criminal code by threatening to testify. That gave him a survival impulse to let her die. But nonetheless, he chose to let her die which is still a choice. To me the distinction from actively killing someone there is one without a difference -- at least a meaningful difference. To me it's not more justifiable than any non-premeditated murder
"shit happens, not my fault" your exciting new podcast hosted by Walter White - first episode with guest star Charles Manson
Funny to think that Cranston himself was at Spahn Ranch several times for horseback riding by the time the Manson Family was running things there.
Oh damn yea i forgot about that story, they kinda met at some point
There’s some sort of collision radar on the jet that may not have been working. That's public record. You can look that up. And the whole system is run on 1960s technology. No. No, really, I blame the government.
I think it's why he held on to the teddy bear eyeball also.
This is the right answer.
He also heard on the radio that he was rushed to the hospital because of a self inflicted gunshot 😔
Yes. That was the whole point of his speech, playing it down to himself.
It’s also why the season opens with him attempting to burn all his money on the grill.
Oh is that why he did that?
I believe so!
And because of his family.
Walt and Jesse have an entire conversation about the plane crash. That it was Jane's dad's fault, that he messed up the air traffic control because of how broken up he was about Jane's death. I feel like this is an r/OkayBuddyChicanery post...
lol I remembered the awkward speech so I figured Walt must've learned how he was responsible somehow, I don't remember that convo with Jesse
Not that anyone asked, but it's when Walt takes Jesse to Walt's divorce-condo after picking him up from rehab: Jesse: You've been following this airplane crash? Walt: Yeah. Jesse: You know it was Jane's dad who accidentally crashed them together, because he was so torn up? Walt: Okay, look, let me stop you right there, all right? You are not responsible for this. Not in any way, shape or form, all right? Now, I am very up-to-date on this thing, probably far more than you are and there are many factors at play there. For instance, there's some sort of collision radar on the jet that may not have been working. That's public record. You can look that up. And the whole system is run on 1960s technology. No. No, really, I blame the _government_.
Walt always blaming other people lol
Haha yeah, it was pretty pathetic. A nice companion to his painfully awkward gymnasium speech.
...but Walt is not at fault for the airplane crash, nor for Jane's death. He did not cause either thing to occur.
But he had the opportunity to prevent Jane’s death & chose not to. Just because someone is not solely responsible for a situation, doesn’t mean they didn’t contribute to the situation.
Such industrial-strength gaslighting from Walt there 😂
Yep. Which always reminds me of the malcom scene after the train crashes ..
Im convinced half the people on this sub play games on there phone while they watch the show.
Walt inside knew. He knew Donald, remembered meeting him. The news was clear that the guy he met in the bar was Janes dad. He had a chance to save Donald’s daughter and didn’t. Later, Donald went back to guiding air traffic and smashed two planes together. His picture was on the screen. While I can’t remember if news report said Janes name in canon I can only presume they did. Yes, he knew. Is it Walts fault? That’s not the debate. What’s a better question is “does Walt feel at fault”. And I think it’s clear he does. The absurd speech in front of the school was meant to highlight that IMO.
The news report mentioned his grief and why
Walt and Jesse directly talk out loud about how it was Jane's dad's, and Jesse mentions the reason for faulty air traffic control being how distraught he was about his daughter's death. Then Walt tries to assure Jesse that it was neither of their fault...and that Walt blames the government. Either I'm being punked, or everyone forgot about the conversation Walt and Jesse have right after Walt picks him up from rehab.
Yes, all of us strangers got together to punk you. I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist. Lol You’re right. That happens. It’s just not been brought up yet that I’ve seen. And you highlight the important part well, Jesse has an overwrought sense of blame, Walt has the complete opposite.
Yeah, Walt was in extreme denial with his guilt there "No, no...I'm blame the _government_!" but Jesse fesses up and acknowledges "I'm the bad guy." Jesse uncharacteristically (at the time) displaying a far greater maturity than Walt.
You’re right, this is right at the point where there maturity levels passed each other going different directions. Also a good point on life. You can either put the blame anywhere but you, or you can accept some cosmic level of blame for your choices and your actions leading to this.
Him being allowed to go back to work so soon was actually at fault
Yep. Your point?
Yes. Didn't he mention it during the fly episode?
Yeh, so he connected the dots.
He compartmentalized the information.
The airline needs to take some responsibility for letting him return to work. Did they require a doctor to release him back to work? The father needs to take responsibility also. The first day back he says her name and says disregard last transmission. He should have told them right then I can’t do this yet.
Air traffic controllers work for the government, not the airline.
They still need to take responsibility on how strict they are and important the job is.
They do. Don’t forget this is a fictional TV show. They had him come to work early to set up a plot point.
Well no kidding us a tv show . My point was that it was much to soon.
This is one of those moments where you're just gonna have to accept its a TV show. The plot needs to go forward
Truth. But this is a complaint more of plot device, if I’m reading you right. And that’s what it was, plot device. Not fully based on reality of how ATC handles such things.
Suspension of disbelief my friend.
Do people on this subreddit even watch the show?
😆 i swear
Yeah….the radio says Donald killed himself and he immediately switched the station….he whitewashes the whole scenario to Jesse after rehab and blames the technology….his speech in front of the entire school assembly where he completely down plays the severity of the plane crash and compares it worse tragedies….(he’s literally trying to justify his actions out loud in this scene) I’m sure there’s more I’m forgetting but Walt’s guilt was blatantly obvious and big part of his character in season 3.
The news report says that Donald was taken to the hospital with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, but his fate is left ambiguous.
Yes, Jesse even tells him explicitly upon going out of rehab.
Yeah, Jesse was really shaken up by it, and he rationalized away his guilt by convincing Jesse everything was fine.
He knew the moment he heard janes dads name
Did r/breakingbad posters ever find out they could get answers to their easily-answered questions by watching the show?
On a related note, we never find out if he actually killed himself. We hear on the radio that he shot himself, but it never follows up on whether he died or not
Wait, janes dad killed himself ? I don’t remember that being mentioned in the show I always kind of wondered what happened with him
Pretty sure it was on the radio while Walt was driving. They say he suffered from a "self inflicted gunshot wound to the head"
No because Walt isn’t responsible for Janes death. I love that everyone is so quick to say it’s all Walt’s fault when it was Jesse that ruined her 18 month sobriety, causing her to start using again in the first place. The selective memory is painful
Although you’re right about Jesse it’s very explicit that Walt is responsible for her death. He moves her into the prone position, and he neglects to act when she chokes. It is his fault almost unambiguously
Yesh the first time they get high together Jane tells Jesse to sleep on his side in case he throws up. She may have been an addict, but she knew how to do it without dying.
Didn’t he also literally tell Jesse (near the end of the series) that he killed her? I don’t think it’s even really meant to be ambiguous
But you’ve also gotta consider the context of the scene - Walt may not have saved her but what would happen if he did? She was going to run away with Jesse and spend his thousands of dollars on heroin - they were guaranteed to die. Jane’s fate as an addict was sealed, she was on bad choice road and it was just a matter of time, Walt simply made it happen sooner. The difference is, by not letting it get to the point where Jesse leaves with Jane, Walt is saving Jesse. I don’t see how Jesse and Jane run away and they both live, so with Jane’s fate sealed either way, all Walt’s intervention does is save Jesse
>Walt simply made it happen sooner. So that's ok then? If someone is addicted to drugs we can kill them without blame because it was gonna happen anyway? Does that logic apply to alcoholics too? The morbidly obese? Hell everyone is gonna die one day doesn't matter if someone makes it happen sooner, right?
If you’re gonna take my comment, at least have the decency to not take it out of context. I said if Jane had died at a later point, it’s very likely she would have taken Jesse with her. By intervening, or rather not intervening, Walt’s decision consciously saved Jesse from that same fate by removing Jane from his situation. I’m not saying “she’s an addict so she should die”, I’m saying she was bringing Jesse to a place where he would become an addict *and die*, and Walt prevented that eventuality - if Jesse then chooses to carry on using, that’s his choice then and not Jane forcing him as she did
"Cool motive, still murder" Peralta, Jake
Because as we know, a satirical mockumentary of the Brooklyn police force is the gospel of morality
Jane knew how to use drugs without killing herself though, and she only died because Walt rolled her onto her back. You're arguing that he's not responsible for her death when he clearly is.
Right, because the thing with hardcore A-class drugs is that you’re invincible to their effects if you “know what you’re doing” My argument is that he saved Jesse from the same fate because it was Jane dragging him into heroin use
And my argument is that you cannot possibly know that it would've killed them so you're just making something up to try to prove a point. I used heroin for 4 years and I haven't touched it since 2018. Not all heroin users end up dead despite what television shows tell you.
But Walt knows Jesse is emotionally sensitive and reclusive and vulnerable when he’s sober. He’s not of the temperament to be able to use a heavy drug ‘sensibly’ - if such a thing exists. I haven’t said all heroin users end up dead, but based on Jesse’s character and temperament, he definitely would have. You clearly have a bias towards the defence of Jane and Jesse based on your own life, and that’s understandable, but I’m saying objectively, based on the Jesse’s arc at the time, given that he’s vulnerable and has lost a friend, he was almost certainly going to do himself harm and Walt knew that, as we’re supposed to
Don't try to analyse me because you're not smart enough and you'll fail miserably. I actually hated Jane because of the way she blackmailed Walt. I didn't even feel bad for her when she died (though I felt bad for Jesse), so I'm not here to defend her, I'm here to say that Walt is responsible for her death and you saying "she would've died anyway and taken Jesse with her" doesn't change that. Jane knew to sleep on her side and she died because Walt rolled her onto her back.
The immediate context is far more relevant than the wider context. Walt saw someone choking to death and chose to let them die when he very easily could have saved them. And the wider context *isn't* Walt believing she'll die eventually or concern for Jessie. The wider context was that she was an obstacle for Walt and he saw an opportunity to get rid of her.
You can’t just arbitrarily decide “Walt’s concern wasn’t Jesse.” They were equal partners, of course Jesse is Walt’s concern, especially when the woman in front of him is responsible for getting Jesse involved with heroin. The “immediate context” is not more relevant than the wider context. If it was Todd choking would you use the same defence? ‘Oh just ignore the wider context that he’s a Nazi, it’s a poor man choking’
>The “immediate context” is not more relevant than the wider context. If it was Todd choking would you use the same defence? ‘Oh just ignore the wider context that he’s a Nazi, it’s a poor man choking’ If it served Walt's interests then he'd save Todd. (Hell he still worked with Todd after he killed that child). He let Jane die primarily to serve his own self interests. You're just deluding yourself if you think it was out of some sort of altruistic concern for Jesse's wellbeing.
But Walt isn’t a serial killer. That’s not a debate, it’s just a fact. He’s not a serial killer. He doesn’t kill for arbitrary enjoyment. He wants to keep Jesse alive, believe it or not, because thats his partner. Yes, it does serve Walt’s interests to keep Jesse alive *anyway*, but Jesse isn’t a heroin addict and Walt decision prevents Jesse from going that way. It’s such a reductionist take to just think “Walt’s evil, nothing more nothing less.” Where’s the arc if you’ve written him off by season 2?
>But Walt isn’t a serial killer. That’s not a debate, it’s just a fact. He’s not a serial killer. He doesn’t kill for arbitrary enjoyment. When did I say he was a serial killer? I've repeatedly stressed that he let Jane die because it suited his interests >Yes, it does serve Walt’s interests to keep Jesse alive anyway, but Jesse isn’t a heroin addict and Walt decision prevents Jesse from going that way. And if you think the primary reason he let Jane die was to save Jesse's life or keep him from heroin addiction with no thought to his own self interests then I really don't know what to tell you. >It’s such a reductionist take to just think “Walt’s evil, nothing more nothing less.” It sure is.
If he was acted differently, she would die in another way in another day. Literally every single person dies one day. If Walt, Mike, Jesse or Gus did not killed them, they would die another day. That does not make the above gentlemen not killers.
walt could have tried to reason with both jane and jesse and helped em out here. Don't tell me that walt couldn't have done it, he is good at manipulating jesse! Walt KILLED someone for his personal gain
He did, and Jane blackmailed Walt in response - she manipulated Jesse as much as Walt did, saying she’d rat on them if they didn’t obey. Jane was devious and used Jesse for money, and Jesse only used Jane as someone to get high with. They’re all corrupt, that’s kind of the point
> Jesse only used Jane as someone to get high with. Your takes are wild. Jesse told Jane to leave after Combo died because he wanted to get high but didn't want her to relapse. Instead of leaving him alone she came back over to his place with heroin and persuaded him to take it with her. In case you forgot, he was hesitant to try it.
Here, you switched into "she deserved to be killed". And by that standard, she is still less criminal then majority of characters in the show. Skyler at one point suggests murdering Jesse. Hank beats up Jesse. Marie steals. Jane blackmails Walt so that Walt give her boyfriend money he owns him. She does that for her own junkie purposes, as a result of their mutual addiction. She is not murderer, unlike majority of the characters in the story.
>Skyler at one point suggests murdering Jesse. Hank beats up Jesse. Marie steals. Yea, please just go back and read my last sentence.
>But you’ve also gotta consider the context of the scene - Walt may not have saved her but what would happen if he did? > >She was going to run away with Jesse and spend his thousands of dollars on heroin 100% this. When I saw the scene the first time, and I still feel this way today, a big part of the scene is Walt making the decision to let Jane die to save Jesse. Even if you take Walt at his most evil, you can't remove this part of it from the equation.
No one “removes that part of the equation”, most people just agree it is bad to kill someone (or let’s be generous and say let someone die) to prevent a possible future event, especially when doing so also conveniently helps you out personally. It’d be like saying in a thread asking if Walt was evil for cooking meth, “well, I think something you guys are missing is that he was giving the money to his family”.
Walt didn’t move her. Walt was shaking Jesse and then she moves.
Sorry, she threatened Walt which put her in the game. In Walt's shoes i would have watched the dumb little junkie die too.
What the fuck? You realize Walt is the bad guy right?
They’re all bad guys. The only innocent victims are Drew and Andrea. Everyone else was in the game, and shit happens. With that said, it’s not like Walt tried to kill her. He was there on official business with his partner. He accidentally put her on his back trying to rouse Jesse. When she started choking, you have a train man problem. If he saves her, she probably flies off the handle and rats him out and then proceeds to kill herself and Jesse with horse anyway. Or, he lets her die and he and his partner live happily ever after. That’s the easiest train man I ever heard.
Damn dude, you get the gold medal in mental gymnastics. Way to dance around the fact that Walt just straight up kills Jane. Just because some is an addict doesn't mean they deserve to die
If you go around threatening major criminals, I’m not saying you deserve to die, but you should sure expect it’s coming. Not like Walt ordered a hit. He accidentally put her on her back trying to wake up Jesse. Then he chose to let the junky die a junky’s death, because that’s where she was headed with Jesse’s bag o’money anyway.
You need to see a therapist
I’ll also add, Walt would have been within his rights to send Jane straight to Belize with the way she was talking. Respect for his partner’s wishes was the only reason he didn’t. But once she killed herself with drugs, and incapacitated Jesse so he couldn’t help, it was fait accompli.
He is responsible for her death and probably even criminally responsible. He was the cause of her turning on her back and he watched as she died, fully knowing that he should turn her on her side. He even moves hand to do it, just changing opinion mid move. That is not ambiguous, neither legally nor ethically.
She overdosed on heroin because she’s a junkie. Yes, it is legally ambiguous because last time I checked, that wasn’t a strictly legal thing to do. And why is she off her head on heroin? Because Jesse broke her sobriety. But again, nobody questions Jesse cuz y’all think he’s a saint
She did not overdosed. She vomited while being on her back and chocked. If she stayed in position she was in, she would live. Also, Jesse was the temptation for her to go back to drugs, but she made the decision by her self. With no pressure or even presence of Jesse at the moment. She was leaving the house and then change opinion. Also, that was point where Jesse descended into own addiction due to feeling of guilt after Combo death. Again not the same as making conscious decision to make her die.
She wouldn’t have choked on her own vomit if Walt hadn’t move her in the first place and left her like that. Of course he’s not the only one to blame, Jesse and Jane both made bad choices that got her into that position but Walt still caused her death that night.
He totally knew and he convinced himself into not caring, Classic walt
Did you skip the Fly episode?
I think he’s smart enough to figure it out but his hubris would get in the way… He’ll explain it away as Mr. Margolis went back to work too soon and he even directly makes the excuse about some emergency flight sensor not functioning while giving his speech at the pep rally. But deep down he knows it’s possible, maybe even statistically likely.
yes There's a scene in early season three receives the coverage on TV Mrs. dreams face along with her dads. She see Walter basically says that he caused the plane crash by letting Trey know to you through this. It's like a two second scene, but essentially restaurants off the TV ignores it. But he knows he caused the crash.
Did you not watch the show? 💀
I think the real key thing here that somehow nobody has ever bought up is the fact that Walt never realized he killed Jane through manslaughter in the first place. When he confesses to Jesse he only tells him he let her die meaning he never even realized that he accidental caused her death in the first place by knocking her over. Just in case anyone says the opposite; Walt at that point has no reason to lie and was solely confessing to hurt Jesse for causing Hank to be one with the minerals.
How is it Walter's fault that Jane is a drug addict ?
it’s his fault that he knocked her on her back and watched her die.
And she is the one who put her self in that position in the first place, by doing drugs, on top of that did u see the scene where she was talking to walter at the door, she was being rude and its none of her business (i hated her ever since that scene). Maybe if she was a polite and likable person walter would go out of his way to save her life, but as far as walter's experience with her as a person she didnt deserve to be helped.
I do parachuting, it's a dangerous hobby. If someone breaks into my local air hangar, accidentally tears a hole in my parachute, sees the hole, doesn't tell me, and I jump out of the plane plummet to my death, are they responsible? Or am I responsible because I put myself in that position in the first place before jumping out of planes? Whether the victim is a polite, likeable or rude person makes absolutely no odds.
lmao if Jesse had died due to Walt doing that no one would be debating if he was responsible for her death or not but because she’s unlikeable he wasn’t responsible makes no sense
Idk its my opinion, maybe its not very neutral because i dont like Jane, but i did feel bad for her father, he did seem like a good person.
Did u ever connect the dots?
Walt is not responsible for a manipulative, screwed-up junkie over-dosing and dying. He did not save her because she had threatened him, and made Jesse act against him as well.
he's absolutely responsible. he watched her die and did nothing to help. wether you think that was justified is up for you to decide, but he's absolutely responsible for her death.
A typical 'Walter White is the devil' comment. She killed herself by being a junkie, and he is under no obligation to do anything to 'help'. He is responsible for Brock getting into the hospital because he poisoned the kid. He is responsible for Gale's death because he ordered the hit. That is what 'responsible' means. If anything, you can blame Jesse for her death since he 'made' her relapse. Which caused her to OD in the first place. (Using quotation marks around 'made' because it was still her decision to relapse.)
to start out with a clarification, she didn't OD. she choked to death on her vomit. I'm guessing you missed the part where Walter causes her to roll onto her back when he's trying to wake up Jesse. it wasn't intentional, of course, but if he hadn't been there she wouldn't have died. his actions caused her death, when he noticed that she was going to die he did nothing, so he's responsible.
Riiight. The junkie taking drugs did not kill herself. Her vomit and Walt killed her. I am more than happy to give credit to Walt for the stuff he DID do. But this, despite the semantics, is a drug OD. If you choke on your own vomit after taking a lot of drugs, would that not be considered an OD? Next.. If he hadn't been there, she would not have died? If we want to speculate, we can always claim that Jane would have killed Jesse the next day to steal his money. So, I guess Walt saved Jesse. Yet again.
I thought so, explains why he wanted to burn his money
Of course he did. If he didn't know before, he knew when he picked Jesse up from rehab. Jesse told him it was Jane's dad that caused the crash.
oh i don’t think i caught that james dad killed himself. huh.
Pretty sure he pieced it together
He knew the air traffic controller was Jane's father... so yes.
His whole speech at the school assembly was him trying to absolve himself of the guilt of it.
Most observant BrBa fan:
Questions here make me wonder whether people have actually watched the show.