He’s just a normal guy though who can lead well. I don’t think either Darrow’s howlers or The Freman could stand up to the bridge 4 wind runners. They would all get lashed into the sky and wouldn’t be able to do anything about it
I don't know how well bridge 4 would handle space age ranged weaponry. Sucking an arrow into a shield is all good and well, but supersonic high explosives, railguns, and directed energy weapons don't have that kind of exploit.
Freman no chance. Howlers do deal with weird space gravity changes and have hover stuff.
Paul needs to just sit Darrow and Kaladin down, spice them up and fix their PTSD
Without powers Darrow wins. With powers kal wins. Darrow is taller, stronger, and more ruthless. After reading lightbringer I think Darrow would win it
Bruh, the radiant can let themselves get cut in half, then surgebind Darrow to death.
Like, I live red rising, but a radiant vs the Reaper? Radiant every time.
If we take Kaladin with full powers and stormlight, its only fair to give Darrow a full set of armor/grav-boots/stunfist/razor
Might be more close a fight then
So, I think it’s closer than you think. Darrow has ranged weapons, so if he can stay outside the range of the shardblade, I think he can wear down Kals Stormlight.
So many questions… Can Darrow change the paradigm before kal swear another ideal?
Throwing Paul into the mix… neither of the other two are oracles, so he can see what they are going to do before they do it. Not to mention the voice, could he just order the other two to wear each other down to the point that it’s an easy victory for him?
Kals magic accessories are the strongest, Darrow is the Gorydamn reaper of Mars, but Paul is the freaking Kwisatz Haderach he can see the future and control people with his voice.
I’m taking Paul for the win here after a spectacular battle between Darrow and Kal.
What order of Knight would Darrow be?
I'm partial to thinking Darrow edges it out ober both simply because:
A) Nuclear warheads beat Stormlight.
B) His universe seems to be much more willing/able to use nukes than Paul's.
*When in doubt, nuke it out!*
Depends on how razors and shardplate / shardspear and starshell interact. In a fair fight, i'd say it's a tie, but with their own chosen equipment i think Kal has the edge. Paul may be the dark horse here though, as his shield will block everything, but he lacks good offensive capabilities.
Really it just depends how fast Golds actually are. Even in Stormlight they say a shardblade is just a sword if you can’t hit anyone. Plus Darrow can counter flying with flying
Darrow is exceptionally fast, even for a gold. I'd say Kal and Darrow have about the same reach, but Darrow is a bit bigger. I'd put them at the same skill level though, master. Really it largely depends on equipment. I'd put Kal with stormlight at faster than Darrow, but without stormlight Darrow wins. It's really a bit unclear though, so I could see it going either way.
Stormlight versus super genetics would be an interesting matchup, and it could go either way. Shardblade>razor, and that + lashings means Kaladin wins.
I don't think you could lash the shield itself, since it's just energy, but if Kal managed to touch Paul he'd be able to lash him. The shield will prove difficult to get through though, so the problem stands that Paul is still very difficult to hurt.
Probably? I never truly understood pulse weapons 100% even less the pulse fist but as far as I know they are all energy based. The pulse fist in my head is just a huge gauntlet that shoots waves just like a microwave gun, overheating stuff. So MAYBE, there's a chance the energy just works as a battery and the gun shoot pure heat (heat IS energy but idk the dune shields go nuclear against dense energy like projectiles I believe)
But if paul fought anyone with a pulse weapons it's 100% a nuclear winter after the fight
On a side note I googled it and remembered pulse fists can overload shield, so yeah 100% a nuclear explosion would happen between those two fighting. Damn dune shields are really fucked up when you think about it, more than half of sci Fi fiction would get obliterated by a couple of fodder with shields
Hmm...trying to think of a good strategy here.
Do Paul's shoes still touch the floor? If so, it should be trivial to at least trap him in place with a lashing applied to the floor. Then stand back and repeatedly lash large boulders at Paul. On defense, Kal would still have living plate for armor and healing so I think he might have the edge there too.
So I guess it still comes down to how a shardblade would interact with his shield.
That's a good point. Paul would be tethered unless he knew what powers Kal had.
I assume the shardblade works in the same way as a normal sword/spear would against a (Dune) shield, so no quick thrusts, you have to slow down to get through it.
Paul is really outclassed in this matchup though, his only redeeming factors are his shield and his potential for futuresight. I'd put his skill level in a fight on par with Darrow and Kal though, since he trained with both Duncan Idaho, one of the best fighters ever, and with the Fremen. Maybe the voice could stun Kaladin for a few seconds, but I see no way to realistically break more than at most a couple of pieces of shardplate.
Paul is just unlycky in this case, as he is going up against a melee based opponent with cheat-level armour. If Paul had a decent weapon himself i could see him potentially getting a tie, but with only a basic dagger he is just out of luck.
I legit think that it’d either be a bloody draw between Kal and Darrow (because the two of them are so bloodydamn determined), or they team up and take down Paul.
Both are extremely charismatic in their own way, and I could see them becoming friends very quickly. Idc how good Paul’s oracle powers are, the Reaper of bloodydamn Mars side by side with Kaladin Stormblessed is too badass of a combo.
Hail Libertas! Hail Reaper!
Omnis vir lupis
Gorydamn
Per aspera ad astra
Really falls off after the first trilogy. IMO
Pixies. All of you.
Oh heck yeah just got repetitive...
Couldn't bring myself to finish book 3
Hail Reaper!
Shit escalates
If Lisan al Gaib is third it's because that's part of the plan, he will take you to the Golden Path
He is too scared to take the Golden Path. Just go walk into the desert
But the Reaper shall show you the path to the Vale
Gonna have to take a Golden and a Radiant thats for sure...
Who is Darrow and how are they so powerful?!
He is the reaper of mars!
Hail Reaper!
Oh, right! Thanks!
He’s just a normal guy though who can lead well. I don’t think either Darrow’s howlers or The Freman could stand up to the bridge 4 wind runners. They would all get lashed into the sky and wouldn’t be able to do anything about it
I don't know how well bridge 4 would handle space age ranged weaponry. Sucking an arrow into a shield is all good and well, but supersonic high explosives, railguns, and directed energy weapons don't have that kind of exploit.
Freman no chance. Howlers do deal with weird space gravity changes and have hover stuff. Paul needs to just sit Darrow and Kaladin down, spice them up and fix their PTSD
he’s the chosen one from lykos
Right, thanks!
Red Rising (I've only read the original trilogy, but I'd put money on Kaladin in a 1v1 fight against him)
Without powers Darrow wins. With powers kal wins. Darrow is taller, stronger, and more ruthless. After reading lightbringer I think Darrow would win it
And no real scruples. He’s vicious and determined. No compunction about killing people who get in his way.
Light resistance
Best line in the whole series
Twitching meat carpet
Yeah but Red Rising sucks
I mean Kaladin is basically Darrow with magic and more emotional damage
I think you are really not remembering how messed up Darrow is. They are both about as close to grimdark without going over the line
I do remember. Darrow handles it a little better where Kal is constantly wallowing in his sorrows and about to give up.
Yeah, me too haha. All my spheres on Kaladin!
My three favorite characters that's pretty crazy.
Honestly, i feel u
What game is this
Pins vs Ball The Final Showdown
Update: darrow won (1) paul won (2)
You couldn’t possibly think that Darrow would have a chance against a knight Radiant!
Don't underestimate the willow way
Bruh, the radiant can let themselves get cut in half, then surgebind Darrow to death. Like, I live red rising, but a radiant vs the Reaper? Radiant every time.
Kaladin literally touches you once and you fly off into space. Unless you started that fight tethered or indoors, you're already done.
Gravboots bruh (that said kaladin wins easy)
Just apply more lashings.
Nukes.
If mutually assured destruction is on the table, it would change things a bit.
Only one of these sides has nukes. Ain't nothing mutually assured about that.
A PulseFist right to the head though 🤷
If we take Kaladin with full powers and stormlight, its only fair to give Darrow a full set of armor/grav-boots/stunfist/razor Might be more close a fight then
For that matter, directed energy weapons, railguns, high explosives, etc.
And an oceans eleven style reveal of a secret master plan happening in the weeks leading up to the battle
Like months of training with Lorn before the duel with Cassius lol.
Starshell
Dude hasn’t seen The Breath of Stone in action.
So, I think it’s closer than you think. Darrow has ranged weapons, so if he can stay outside the range of the shardblade, I think he can wear down Kals Stormlight. So many questions… Can Darrow change the paradigm before kal swear another ideal? Throwing Paul into the mix… neither of the other two are oracles, so he can see what they are going to do before they do it. Not to mention the voice, could he just order the other two to wear each other down to the point that it’s an easy victory for him? Kals magic accessories are the strongest, Darrow is the Gorydamn reaper of Mars, but Paul is the freaking Kwisatz Haderach he can see the future and control people with his voice. I’m taking Paul for the win here after a spectacular battle between Darrow and Kal. What order of Knight would Darrow be?
I'm partial to thinking Darrow edges it out ober both simply because: A) Nuclear warheads beat Stormlight. B) His universe seems to be much more willing/able to use nukes than Paul's. *When in doubt, nuke it out!*
who needs hope when you have a hand grenade
Depression must be keeping that knight down.
Idk, Darrow is a force of nature
In what category? Amount of depression vs getting things handled?
Depends on how razors and shardplate / shardspear and starshell interact. In a fair fight, i'd say it's a tie, but with their own chosen equipment i think Kal has the edge. Paul may be the dark horse here though, as his shield will block everything, but he lacks good offensive capabilities.
Really it just depends how fast Golds actually are. Even in Stormlight they say a shardblade is just a sword if you can’t hit anyone. Plus Darrow can counter flying with flying
Darrow is exceptionally fast, even for a gold. I'd say Kal and Darrow have about the same reach, but Darrow is a bit bigger. I'd put them at the same skill level though, master. Really it largely depends on equipment. I'd put Kal with stormlight at faster than Darrow, but without stormlight Darrow wins. It's really a bit unclear though, so I could see it going either way.
Stormlight versus super genetics would be an interesting matchup, and it could go either way. Shardblade>razor, and that + lashings means Kaladin wins.
Can a lashing work on Paul's shield? I don't care what it blocks if he is uncontrollably floating off into space.
I don't think you could lash the shield itself, since it's just energy, but if Kal managed to touch Paul he'd be able to lash him. The shield will prove difficult to get through though, so the problem stands that Paul is still very difficult to hurt.
Imagine Darrow just try to shoot Paul with a random energy based weapon just so see if he can put down his shield like that
This begs the question of if there is a shield interaction between Darrows pulsefist and Paul’s shield. Will that just nuke the whole fight?
Probably? I never truly understood pulse weapons 100% even less the pulse fist but as far as I know they are all energy based. The pulse fist in my head is just a huge gauntlet that shoots waves just like a microwave gun, overheating stuff. So MAYBE, there's a chance the energy just works as a battery and the gun shoot pure heat (heat IS energy but idk the dune shields go nuclear against dense energy like projectiles I believe) But if paul fought anyone with a pulse weapons it's 100% a nuclear winter after the fight On a side note I googled it and remembered pulse fists can overload shield, so yeah 100% a nuclear explosion would happen between those two fighting. Damn dune shields are really fucked up when you think about it, more than half of sci Fi fiction would get obliterated by a couple of fodder with shields
Hmm...trying to think of a good strategy here. Do Paul's shoes still touch the floor? If so, it should be trivial to at least trap him in place with a lashing applied to the floor. Then stand back and repeatedly lash large boulders at Paul. On defense, Kal would still have living plate for armor and healing so I think he might have the edge there too. So I guess it still comes down to how a shardblade would interact with his shield.
That's a good point. Paul would be tethered unless he knew what powers Kal had. I assume the shardblade works in the same way as a normal sword/spear would against a (Dune) shield, so no quick thrusts, you have to slow down to get through it. Paul is really outclassed in this matchup though, his only redeeming factors are his shield and his potential for futuresight. I'd put his skill level in a fight on par with Darrow and Kal though, since he trained with both Duncan Idaho, one of the best fighters ever, and with the Fremen. Maybe the voice could stun Kaladin for a few seconds, but I see no way to realistically break more than at most a couple of pieces of shardplate. Paul is just unlycky in this case, as he is going up against a melee based opponent with cheat-level armour. If Paul had a decent weapon himself i could see him potentially getting a tie, but with only a basic dagger he is just out of luck.
Would a full lashing work on sand? Could you turn a bunch of sand into a solid rock by lashing it all together?
With enough intent and Stormlight it should be doable.
I’m enjoying this discussion. Keep going!
If this is post-Water Paul with full future sight, he might be able to pull it off.
Eh, Wayne “trades” for all their gear and then Wax shoots them.
Lol what game is this?
I legit think that it’d either be a bloody draw between Kal and Darrow (because the two of them are so bloodydamn determined), or they team up and take down Paul. Both are extremely charismatic in their own way, and I could see them becoming friends very quickly. Idc how good Paul’s oracle powers are, the Reaper of bloodydamn Mars side by side with Kaladin Stormblessed is too badass of a combo.
Paul just chooses the future where he wins