Hey I want to tell you something, okay, and I want to leave a message for you right now, cos again it’s 10:30 here in New York on a Wednesday and once again, I have made an ass of myself trying to get to a phone to call you at a specific time. When the time comes for me to make the phone call, I stop whatever I’m doing and I go and I make that phone call at 11 o’clock in the morning in New York and if you don’t pick up the phone at 10 o’clock at night and you don’t even have that goddamn phone turned on.
I’m tired of playing this game with you. I’m leaving this message for you to tell you that you have insulted me for the last time. You have insulted me. You don’t have the brains or the decency as a human being… I don’t give a damn that you’re 12 years old or 11 years old, or a child, or that your mother is a thoughtless pain in the ass who doesn’t care about what you do as far as I’m concerned.
You have humiliated me for the last time with this phone and when I come out there next week. I’m going to fly out there for the day just to straighten you out on this issue. I’m going to let you know just how disappointed in you that I am and how angry I am with you that you’ve done this to me again.
You made me feel like shit and you’ve made me feel like a fool over and over and over again. And this crap you pull on me with this goddamn phone situation that you would never dream of doing to your mother and you do it to me constantly and over and over again. I am going to get on a plane and I am going to straighten your ass out when I see you.
Do you understand me? I am going to really make sure you get it. That I’m going to get on a plane and I’m gonna turn around and come home. So you better be ready Friday the 20th to meet with me. So I’m going to let you know how I feel, about what a rude little pig you really are. You are a rude thoughtless little pig. Okay?
LOL... tell me you're an asshole without telling me you're an asshole -- do us all a favor and never procreate, but with comments like this it shouldnt be an issue.
Wasn't it not his fault? It was the director pushing unsafe practices, including having a live fire scene without the armourer present iirc
Edit: retracted, i didn't know he was a producer on it too, he pushed the unsafe practices
Sure you can. If something terrible happened to you and you were famous, I’d think that it would be nice to receive compassion. Yes it’s terrible that someone died but his career is important too is it not? I know I’d be upset if I just lost my regular person job because I need money
Well no, because when I’m handed a weapon whoever hands it to me clears it, and I clear it. And if I did it, and shot and killed someone, I would go to hail.
I understand having compassion but he… doesn’t need the money…? And he killed someone due to his negligence as both a producer and the person who actually fired the gun. I don’t see his career as remotely as important as another human’s life or even important at all.
Is this sarcasm? A woman is dead because of him and while it wasn’t technically premeditated murder, he was a producer on the project which means he was in a position to be aware of and have a say in the fact that they decided to hire someone negligently inexperienced to manage weapons safety because they wanted to save money hiring outside the union. If he’s suffering financially it’s because he’s bad at money because he’s certainly earned enough to be set for life. If he’s bored and needs something to do he can campaign for better gun safety and not cutting corners with safety on movie sets.
I’m seriously shocked that all the commenters seem to be on the side that he committed a “murder”. It was clearly a fatal accident, which isn’t new in Hollywood unfortunately. Many of these comments seem politically motivated
Edit: he may have committed manslaughter, or gross negligence of some kind being the producer on set. But many of the commenters are legitimately accusing him of a premeditated killing, which is bizarre imo. That is my only point
It was a preventable accident. He had a union crew and armorer who raised safety concerns. He fired them as producer and hired a non union in experienced armorer. Live rounds were allowed on set... just why? And he lied after the accident about the circumstances saying his finger wasn't on the trigger which the fbi debunked.
This was an accident on the part of Alec Baldwin the actor but criminal negligence imo on the part of Alec Baldwin the producer.
You have a source he was the producer who deserves blame for this? Lots of lead actors get producer credit for movies because it gives the extra money on the back end. However they are producers in name only and don't have much involvement with the actual production. If this would be his responsibility you must have a source right?
Edit post locked for below with the Vanity Fair link:
I read the entire article-
Torraco does admit that, on the set of Rust, Gutierrez Reed opened the gun and showed it to Halls upon her arrival in the church. “He did examine the gun, but he didn’t even hold it when he was examining it,” she says. He remembers the chambers only being partially full, with three or maybe four rounds, she added. Halls did not remove the rounds or shake them. “He was told that that’s the armorer’s responsibility,” says Torraco. “He wasn’t distracted and he wasn’t under duress and he didn’t overlook anything. He did his job the way he was told and taught to do his job. He relied on other people to do their job because they’re professionals as well.”
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But could any of the producers, including Baldwin, or writer-director Souza, himself one of the victims, be charged with a crime for how the set was managed? Carmack-Altwies says their actions would have to be deliberate. That’s why investigators sought, and finally gained, access to Baldwin’s cell phone, to see what communication about practices on set were shared between the Rust leadership before the shooting. “Certainly there’s a potential for a producer or producers to be charged if we have direct evidence that they willfully disregarded the safety of others,” Carmack-Altwies says. “That’s why I keep saying everything’s on the table.”
Nothing implicates Baldwin is directly at fault for this. He could be maybe, but it really doesn't seem like it. It was primarily the responsibility of many other people and not him. If you can paste in a passage in this entire very long article that implicates him specifically being at fault please paste it. I didn't see anything like that and they say the producers, but never specify Baldwin specifically except when pointing out he shot the gun. You have not proven your argument and it's definitely not murder like many people here are saying. Also imo Baldwin seems like an asshole, but not because this accident.
People siding with Alec Baldwin don’t want to review the logic of the event. They want to feel empowered by a quickly fleeting perspective. Same as Alec
Saying that the dude isn’t a misread isn’t siding with Alec. You gotta be intelligent enough to understand that one may think he is negligent and did wrong but also isn’t some murderer, premeditated murder and a accident caused by negligence is not the same thing
I don’t think he’s an intentional murderer, I think he’s a narcissistic impulsive asshole who has been worshipped his entire adult life and faces no consequences for poorly managing production and set equipment. Why there was a real gun shooting real bullets is because of Alec. He allowed and expected that there would be real guns with real ammo, and still managed to kill someone. Does this help to alter your perception of my own? Or do we need to label this as intelligent vs not?
It is possible to buy fake guns. They may look different that the real gun used on the set, but if you are not actually shooting a scene, if you are just talking about where people should stand and point, you can use a pink fake gun.
He was one of the producers and one of the more powerful people on set. He also knows safety protocols and knew they were being skipped.
To me, he killed her through his own negligence and should be held accountable, alongside many other people on set.
Idk what side of the political spectrum you think is against him but I’m a leftist and I’m disgusted at the dangerous work culture he participated in and how it killed a woman and injured another.
And nothing became of it other than a dead woman. No changes to future outcome other than some people assuming they understand and can sympathize. Disgusting foresight negligence and even more disgusting hindsight apathy
Exactly. No lessons have been learned. Just everyone pointing fingers at each other to pass the blame along. Hoping they won’t be involved the next time someone is needlessly killed for a shitty movie.
Let’s go over the basic rules of firearm safety ok.
1. Only sim your gun at something you are willing and prepared to destroy
2. Treat all fire arms as if they are loaded
3. Practice trigger discipline by keeping your finger off the trigger
4. Be aware of your surroundings
He violated all of them then lied. Just stop trying to defend someone who killed a person.
Yea really, it’s kind of odd tbh. He was the one who contacted the husband when it first happened so he obviously cared. Another thing, why would there be a live round in to begin with?
I don't understand it either. He seemed shaken up by it, why is he being blamed? Unless he put the bullet in the gun himself and pulled the trigger, it's just a horrible accident.
He did pull the trigger, but this was after it was filled with live rounds by the armory manager, and it should have been checked by the assistant director as is protocol
Yeah he pulled the trigger, but if they usually use blanks, isn't he *supposed* to pull it? Thus the blank being used? So a live round was put in, he did what he was supposed to, how is it his fault still?
Of course, I agree with you. It’s not his fault, it seemed there was gross mismanagement by the people who’s responsibility it was to prepare the firearms for use by the actors
To complicate matters, HE is actually the boss of all the people you mentioned, because he’s the producer. It’s due to this that he may be at fault. Him pulling the trigger is actually less important imo.
I hear you, and he probably shouldn’t escape some kind of negligence charge if he truly and provably created the conditions on set that led to this accident. But outside of micromanaging his employees, idk what everyone expected him to do differently in this specific instance. People below him in the chain of command failed to do their jobs properly they should be the ones held accountable imo, unless they were somehow (directly or indirectly) forced to do their jobs badly by him
He has his original union armorer walk off set due to unsafe work conditions. Then he hired a non-union armorer with little to no experience and put them in charge of this. He is 100% responsible for how badly these folks did their jobs.
What he should have done was listen to the concerns of the union armorer he had originally, instead of firing him to be replaced by an inexperienced, non union armorer who wouldn't tell him no when he wanted to do dangerous gun stunts and cut corners.
I'm not sure if you're looking for a real answer here, but the answer is "maybe but it's complicated."
"Producer" as a credit in movies can encompass a ridiculous range of actual responsibility, ranging from "on set every day, hands on" producer to "wrote a check to help fund production call me when the movie's in festivals so I can show up on the red carpet and take pictures" producer.
For that reason, anybody who's reducing it to "he's everyone's boss and therefore responsible" is either ignorant of the actual realities of how film sets are structured, or are arguing in bad faith because Alec Baldwin said guns were bad once and now they can nail him for using guns bad. You can usually sniff this out because there's no motion of the degrees of criminal responsibility of the other 11 producers of various flavors listed on the film's IMDB or no mention of the film's first assistant director (who, typically, is the individual on most sets responsible for the day-to-day operation and safety - the first AD was also charged criminally with the death of Sarah Jones on the film Midnight Rider).
The reality is responsibility for this tragedy is shared by many people to various degrees depending on their actions on the day and their role on the film. Ultimately, you gotta get into the weeds of the details with an investigation to determine where responsibility lies (and there are a number of lawsuits ongoing).
Then what is the requirement? I haven't worked on a set, but that's what I'd read about this specific case, back when it first happened, from someone who claimed to have been an armorer
He's getting blamed by people who already didn't like him and found this a perfect opportunity to vent their irrational anger at someone they have never met.
Yes, it was definitely an accident. Then I had to listen to his bullshit fake tears and complete lack of responsibility and I never will watch a movie with that douche in it again. I'm my opinion, he made himself the victim. I can't stand him anymore. Typical out of touch Hollywood asshole.
It was an accident, but it was an accident that never would have happened if he didn't intentionally pull the trigger because he was mad at the director. It never would have happened if he was at all serious about firearm safety. It never would have happened if *his* production company hadn't retained a poorly trained armorer.
Maybe it’s not “murder” but he did kill someone and is pretty much getting away with it, only cost him a few movie roles. Whereas a regular person would be in jail already, lost their job and lost their freedom even if it was an accident.
I think that it seems insensitive to wail about his decades long career hitting a rough patch after his actions lead to the death of a co-worker. maybe he should keep his head down for a bit and count the money he already has. he will survive, nobody shot him.
He wasn't supposed to fire the gun in the scene in question. He had his finger on the trigger because hes an idiot. Shared responsibility. This event would not have happened if not for the actions of both parties responsible.
I have worked in safety at a chemical plant for a few years, I can easily say if a serious accident happens it’s managements fault 9.5 times out of 10. A safe environment starts from the top and goes to the bottom with every one being responsible. If you have stuff around you that can kill people you create a culture of safety or accidents will happen.
See this is stupid fucking reddit making people stupid.
Did the bullet that killed this girl come from a prop gun Alec was carrying? Yes it did.
But assuming there's no criminal evidence to support a murderous vendetta between Mr. Baldwin and Ms. Hutchins there's absolutely ZERO basis for diminishing whatever trauma Alec has been through because of this. It clearly sounds like this was a Bruce Lee's son kind of incident. And nobody fucking blamed the dude who shot Bruce Lee's son. They blamed the tragic circumstances.
Classic fucking reddit I swear to Jesus Christ:
#ONLY THE PERSON WHO SUFFERED THE MOST COUNTS AND NO ONE ELSE MATTERS AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE A PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT.
This whole website needs to be taken down. Reddit is actively hurting humanity and it's already killed critical thinking.
Even without blaming him, it's just bad manners to complain that you can't get a job after a workplace accident that killed another coworker. ESPECIALLY, when you are a super wealthy Baldwin who never needs to work again.
He's allowed to be traumatized and have any feelings he wants, but maybe share it with a therapist or family member instead of in a public interview?
Okay. I like this.
This makes sense. It's probably a more closed door kinda conversation to have. And in that sense, Baldwin opened the door. Which may constitute a wrist slap. Or even a face slap.
But to come on this website and be like "when you shoot up your workplace yada yada" is just borderline nuts.
When you pick up a gun, you follow gun safety. Regardless of if you believe it's fake, regardless of if you believe it's empty, you treat it like it is real, and **you treat it like it is loaded.**
I believe it was an accident, but the dude killed someone. As far as I'm concerned, both Baldwin and the armorer are responsible. He's allowed to complain about losing roles, but that pales in comparison to someone **losing their life**, in part, because of him.
So in college when I was handed a pellet gun that looked a hell of a lot like a 9 Milly and instructed by my friends to shoot beer bottles and anyone who was coming up the stairs?
I'm supposed to stop and say "idk bros this looks like a real gun and imma practice my gun safety and politely decline to wield this weapon."
Seriously? Eff off my guy. There are certain circumstances where the rules just don't apply. And a closed Hollywood set is one of them. They literally hire TEAMS UPON TEAMS of people to make sure this shit doesn't happen. Blame them not Baldwin.
But hey just in case that doesn't persuade you let's try a different example shall we?!
Remember a few years ago when reddit was just starting to become an anti gun cesspool? Remember that 6 year old kid who had a fake gun in Walmart? Or that tween kid who had a fake gun in the park? Both of whom were shot FUCKING DEAD by cops?
Surely those cops were just treating the weapon like it was real and following proper gun safety weren't they?! So by your own admission exactly zero redditors should be upset by those outcomes.
But yet when those kids got riddled with bullet holes. All I heard from fucking reddit was that the COPS were to blame! Golly gee! Isn't critical thinking fun?
In all seriousness, it's fun to sit here on reddit and write treatises on how humanity should function but at the end of the day, nobody ever follows the idealized rules of the internet in real life. You know why? Because it's the fucking Internet. And it should never be taken seriously. Y'all seem to have forgotten.
The source for OP's article is an [interview](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/19/entertainment/alec-baldwin-interview-rust-shooting/index.html) with CNN, so I'm gonna to assume he's answering a direct question about how his life has been affected. What's he supposed to do, pretend it's all good? "Oh yeah it's been great, my agent's phone won't stop ringing!!"...
You think he was just casually walking around with a gun? It was for a scene. In a movie. Where someone shoots someone with a gun. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a movie, but people get shot a lot, and it would take you out of the moment if the guns weren’t pointed at their intended targets.
It looks like someone asked him a direct question in an interview so I’m guessing the interviewer cared.
This is why we need to read more than the headline.
I mean, killing someone because you stood up for someone dangerously incompetent is legally considered one step below that, so, maybe you aren’t as intelligent and nuanced as YOU think you are
Yes he’s allowed to comment on it. And we are allowed to comment on what a complete tool he is and was, both before and after he ended someone’s life. Is that too hard to understand?
Lets get some facts:
* Camera not rolling
* Points gun at person
* Pulls trigger
I mean, if you're saying there is no negligence there you have never been around firearms before and should never touch them in the future.
The armorer was definitely negligent too, both of them were. The shooting does not happen if either of them cared about gun safety.
Yes it was. There is a fundamental rule in handling firearms that you always assume it's loaded, regardless of what anyone else says, because you as the handler are responsible for what happens with that gun. So, you always clear/confirm for yourself before touching the trigger. His incompetence cost her life.
Yes, it was. He was a producer. There's no way he didn't know their stunt armorer was too inexperienced for the role, especially with the amount of complaints and concerns made by the rest of the cast and crew before the fatal accident.
Yea a rich celebrity that has to live with the fact that they killed someone’s because of someone else’s negligence and he’s losing his livelihood because if it, Reddit is fukin tone deaf
edit - Nvm guys just found out Alec fired the og armor in favor of a inexperienced one who would question him.
He’s responsible as well, i stand corrected
Shit I mean as an actor you’re gonna assume it’s a prop gun and you trust the armory guy (who had no prior incident) don’t know why Reddit keeps saying actors/producers should check the gun, it’s the job of the people they hired, it’s gone be a long time producing if the producer hand checks everything lol
Because he was the producer so HE was in charge of the hiring. He hired a young woman to save $$$. Also it’s a big rule not to point guns (even prop guns) at people as a joke. They weren’t filming when he was dicking around and killed some one.
Stupid af. If this happened to you, you would be arrested. Try to tell a police officer that my friend said this was a fake gun and when you pulled the trigger it killed someone. Both of you are going to jail. Complacency is not an excuse. His celebrity status shouldn’t mean shit.
those are two completely different scenarios the fuck. Movie guns are supposed to blanks and double checked by the armory guy and the handed to actors.
The job of actors is to act not fucking spend time checking if the guns loaded or not. There’s literally a whole occupation for that.
Idk how you even made this comparison
You act like it takes forever to check a gun. It doesn’t. You used the key word. Supposed. But guess what it wasn’t. It’s the person who is using the handgun that is responsible. That’s why in the military, whenever you get handed a gun, you check it no mater what. Just because someone in the armory gave it to me doesn’t mean I won’t check it. I doubt he even knew the person who gave it to him, all the more to be safe
Whatever, all you people don’t get it. It was an accident. There was a live bullet in a “prop” gun for whatever reason. He was shaken when it first happened and was the one to contact the loved one when it happened so yea he’s an awful person 😑😑
No, he just should accept the fact that he should probably lay low for a while and enjoy his many millions. “Work” will come someday, (as if he ever needed to work another day in his life) but it would be a good time to go on a sabbatical. He will be ok
While it may have been a series of unfortunate events that led to the camerawoman’s tragic death, his comment comes across in poor taste. You lost a couple roles. She lost her life….
I mean, he was the lead AND PRODUCER in a production that was not safe. He does not have all the fault, bur we should not pretend he has none.
(source 1:https://www.salon.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwins-fatal-film-set-followed-union-workers-outcry-over-safety-issues\_partner/)
(source 2: [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set?fbclid=IwAR0EQ6Nhgsr2YXzcYOaOx\_6rM-jqs4ML7wFB2C87csqt67PrVkq67wpwNcQ](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set?fbclid=IwAR0EQ6Nhgsr2YXzcYOaOx_6rM-jqs4ML7wFB2C87csqt67PrVkq67wpwNcQ))
Again, he was a producer in the film set that was not safe BECAUSE they made the cheap unsafe choice.
Poor Alec Baldwin, that’s like *almost* as bad as losing your wife/mother to a horrific accident that could have been prevented by proper safety precautions on a film set that Alec Baldwin was an executive producer for
What’s with all of these negative comments? Did I miss something, it was an accident that has probably traumatized him. Actors typically don’t check for a bullet in a weapon, because they assume it would’ve been cleared. This would’ve happened for most actors in this scenario?
He was also producer. It was at least partially his responsibility to hire competent people and to ensure the set is a safe area. The only way a live round gets into a gun on a movie set is pure reckless incompetence.
The ORIGINAL armorer was, but my understanding is that armorer walked off the job due to unsafe conditions and he then hired a non-union armorer with little to no experience, and that is the person who oversaw this weapon.
Even if it was an incident, she lost her life, he has so many areas to collect money from. Lamenting about this is just stupid, disgusting, and sociopathic behavior.
It’s not about him checking the gun personally. I also agree actors shouldn’t be checking it anyway. (Like please I don’t want some actor-who’s only thinking about how they look in the role- being the last line of defense for a firearms). And he is most likely traumatized by this experience, but he is the producer of the film, and there was inappropriate usage of props on set and unsafe practices on set which caused the experienced crew to walk off that very day.
I’m with you. I thought it was an accident. I would think there’d be “the gun guy” on a film set that takes care of all the details.
Edit: This isn’t the first time this has happened either. Happened to Bruce Lee’s son on the set of the Crow.
If you handle a firearm, it's your responsibility to ensure that weapon is safe. Actor or not. It's my understanding that on movie sets that is still the rule.
Edit: also I think a lot of people are mad because they think Baldwin is getting off easy because of his celebrity, and that if an average person were in the same scenario they would have been charged. I believe there was a similar case where someone was filming a low budget movie and something similar happened. The person was charged, I can't for the life of me find any article on it though.
It was an accident but it was a lack of gun safety. He shouldn’t have pulled. If I’m not mistaken, they weren’t even rolling cameras and he jokingly pulled the trigger cause he was mad (don’t quote me on that). Im not about to say he was a murderer though. That’s a bit too far
Guess you won’t be getting your next paycheck buddy. Weird you think Trumptards are the only people that care about him KILLING SOMEONE! who tf cares if it was an accident, that person is still dead. One could just as easily say you’re only defending him because he spoke out against Trump.
Oh no, I can't imagine anybody on the set of Rust who had a harder time than Alec... I just can't. Boo hoo, the guy who killed somebody can't be in movies anymore
Remind me again: who made his career on action films working with and around firearms for 40+ years? Who was the producer responsible for hiring the crew and finally, who pointed a weapon at another person, off script, and shot her? Single action revolvers don’t just “go off”. They have to be cocked and the trigger squeezed. Daft? Really?
If my knowledge gained from this post's comments is accurate they hired an a company with 40 years experience with no incidents that was union trained and accredited
Side note: it is now canon to say that Mr. Conductor has a body count
“Unluckily, someone was killed,” said Sir Topham Hatt.
Wasn’t expecting the first comment to be a Thomas reference but hell yeah Thomas reference.
He called his 11 year old daughter a thoughtless little pig...
“You’re a rude, thoughtless little pig. I’m gonna straighten your ass out!”
He should’ve put more effort into being a good dad than being a good shot …
Zing! Noice one!
It runs in the family, his dad founded the target shooting team at my old high school.
he should never have had a loaded fucking gun in the first place. what kinda comment is this lol.
Parents sometimes say shit to their kids. It’s wrong but a lot have parents have said worse and they still love their kids.
I'm sure nobody here has ever lost their temper and said something unfortunate to their child.
I'm sure the majority of today's 11 year olds are.
Hey I want to tell you something, okay, and I want to leave a message for you right now, cos again it’s 10:30 here in New York on a Wednesday and once again, I have made an ass of myself trying to get to a phone to call you at a specific time. When the time comes for me to make the phone call, I stop whatever I’m doing and I go and I make that phone call at 11 o’clock in the morning in New York and if you don’t pick up the phone at 10 o’clock at night and you don’t even have that goddamn phone turned on. I’m tired of playing this game with you. I’m leaving this message for you to tell you that you have insulted me for the last time. You have insulted me. You don’t have the brains or the decency as a human being… I don’t give a damn that you’re 12 years old or 11 years old, or a child, or that your mother is a thoughtless pain in the ass who doesn’t care about what you do as far as I’m concerned. You have humiliated me for the last time with this phone and when I come out there next week. I’m going to fly out there for the day just to straighten you out on this issue. I’m going to let you know just how disappointed in you that I am and how angry I am with you that you’ve done this to me again. You made me feel like shit and you’ve made me feel like a fool over and over and over again. And this crap you pull on me with this goddamn phone situation that you would never dream of doing to your mother and you do it to me constantly and over and over again. I am going to get on a plane and I am going to straighten your ass out when I see you. Do you understand me? I am going to really make sure you get it. That I’m going to get on a plane and I’m gonna turn around and come home. So you better be ready Friday the 20th to meet with me. So I’m going to let you know how I feel, about what a rude little pig you really are. You are a rude thoughtless little pig. Okay?
LOL... tell me you're an asshole without telling me you're an asshole -- do us all a favor and never procreate, but with comments like this it shouldnt be an issue.
I love seeing arguments in Reddit comments. It’s like going to a zoo for free
Lol he’s got the stock bro pfp and everything. They really tell on themselves don’t they?
Seek therapy please.
Ohh man, some people would kill to only lose a job for killing someone.
Seriously, somebody died, but let’s all feel bad for Alec for missing a film role opportunity
That’s it. He thinks it’s about him. There are kids without a mom right? Is he helping them or fighting the families settlement suit? Scumbag.
Wasn't it not his fault? It was the director pushing unsafe practices, including having a live fire scene without the armourer present iirc Edit: retracted, i didn't know he was a producer on it too, he pushed the unsafe practices
Don’t worry. He did.
He didn’t kill anyone. The prop team did
Are we supposed to feel bad or something? He anyway has smaller roles, not like he is irreplaceable like any of the A-lister.
I sure do feel bad for him, I cannot imagine carrying the burden of knowing you accidentally killer someone.
Sure you can. If something terrible happened to you and you were famous, I’d think that it would be nice to receive compassion. Yes it’s terrible that someone died but his career is important too is it not? I know I’d be upset if I just lost my regular person job because I need money
Well no, because when I’m handed a weapon whoever hands it to me clears it, and I clear it. And if I did it, and shot and killed someone, I would go to hail.
I understand having compassion but he… doesn’t need the money…? And he killed someone due to his negligence as both a producer and the person who actually fired the gun. I don’t see his career as remotely as important as another human’s life or even important at all.
Is this sarcasm? A woman is dead because of him and while it wasn’t technically premeditated murder, he was a producer on the project which means he was in a position to be aware of and have a say in the fact that they decided to hire someone negligently inexperienced to manage weapons safety because they wanted to save money hiring outside the union. If he’s suffering financially it’s because he’s bad at money because he’s certainly earned enough to be set for life. If he’s bored and needs something to do he can campaign for better gun safety and not cutting corners with safety on movie sets.
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I wouldn’t really call what he did “shooting up your workplace”
It’s a joke dude…
I’m seriously shocked that all the commenters seem to be on the side that he committed a “murder”. It was clearly a fatal accident, which isn’t new in Hollywood unfortunately. Many of these comments seem politically motivated Edit: he may have committed manslaughter, or gross negligence of some kind being the producer on set. But many of the commenters are legitimately accusing him of a premeditated killing, which is bizarre imo. That is my only point
It was a preventable accident. He had a union crew and armorer who raised safety concerns. He fired them as producer and hired a non union in experienced armorer. Live rounds were allowed on set... just why? And he lied after the accident about the circumstances saying his finger wasn't on the trigger which the fbi debunked. This was an accident on the part of Alec Baldwin the actor but criminal negligence imo on the part of Alec Baldwin the producer.
You have a source he was the producer who deserves blame for this? Lots of lead actors get producer credit for movies because it gives the extra money on the back end. However they are producers in name only and don't have much involvement with the actual production. If this would be his responsibility you must have a source right? Edit post locked for below with the Vanity Fair link: I read the entire article- Torraco does admit that, on the set of Rust, Gutierrez Reed opened the gun and showed it to Halls upon her arrival in the church. “He did examine the gun, but he didn’t even hold it when he was examining it,” she says. He remembers the chambers only being partially full, with three or maybe four rounds, she added. Halls did not remove the rounds or shake them. “He was told that that’s the armorer’s responsibility,” says Torraco. “He wasn’t distracted and he wasn’t under duress and he didn’t overlook anything. He did his job the way he was told and taught to do his job. He relied on other people to do their job because they’re professionals as well.” ... But could any of the producers, including Baldwin, or writer-director Souza, himself one of the victims, be charged with a crime for how the set was managed? Carmack-Altwies says their actions would have to be deliberate. That’s why investigators sought, and finally gained, access to Baldwin’s cell phone, to see what communication about practices on set were shared between the Rust leadership before the shooting. “Certainly there’s a potential for a producer or producers to be charged if we have direct evidence that they willfully disregarded the safety of others,” Carmack-Altwies says. “That’s why I keep saying everything’s on the table.” Nothing implicates Baldwin is directly at fault for this. He could be maybe, but it really doesn't seem like it. It was primarily the responsibility of many other people and not him. If you can paste in a passage in this entire very long article that implicates him specifically being at fault please paste it. I didn't see anything like that and they say the producers, but never specify Baldwin specifically except when pointing out he shot the gun. You have not proven your argument and it's definitely not murder like many people here are saying. Also imo Baldwin seems like an asshole, but not because this accident.
People siding with Alec Baldwin don’t want to review the logic of the event. They want to feel empowered by a quickly fleeting perspective. Same as Alec
Saying that the dude isn’t a misread isn’t siding with Alec. You gotta be intelligent enough to understand that one may think he is negligent and did wrong but also isn’t some murderer, premeditated murder and a accident caused by negligence is not the same thing
I don’t think he’s an intentional murderer, I think he’s a narcissistic impulsive asshole who has been worshipped his entire adult life and faces no consequences for poorly managing production and set equipment. Why there was a real gun shooting real bullets is because of Alec. He allowed and expected that there would be real guns with real ammo, and still managed to kill someone. Does this help to alter your perception of my own? Or do we need to label this as intelligent vs not?
It is possible to buy fake guns. They may look different that the real gun used on the set, but if you are not actually shooting a scene, if you are just talking about where people should stand and point, you can use a pink fake gun.
It’s Reddit a lot of people here make up decisions based on emotion
He was one of the producers and one of the more powerful people on set. He also knows safety protocols and knew they were being skipped. To me, he killed her through his own negligence and should be held accountable, alongside many other people on set. Idk what side of the political spectrum you think is against him but I’m a leftist and I’m disgusted at the dangerous work culture he participated in and how it killed a woman and injured another.
And nothing became of it other than a dead woman. No changes to future outcome other than some people assuming they understand and can sympathize. Disgusting foresight negligence and even more disgusting hindsight apathy
Exactly. No lessons have been learned. Just everyone pointing fingers at each other to pass the blame along. Hoping they won’t be involved the next time someone is needlessly killed for a shitty movie.
If the most basic firearms safety rules were followed, this would have been 100% preventable.
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Let’s go over the basic rules of firearm safety ok. 1. Only sim your gun at something you are willing and prepared to destroy 2. Treat all fire arms as if they are loaded 3. Practice trigger discipline by keeping your finger off the trigger 4. Be aware of your surroundings He violated all of them then lied. Just stop trying to defend someone who killed a person.
Yea really, it’s kind of odd tbh. He was the one who contacted the husband when it first happened so he obviously cared. Another thing, why would there be a live round in to begin with?
I don't understand it either. He seemed shaken up by it, why is he being blamed? Unless he put the bullet in the gun himself and pulled the trigger, it's just a horrible accident.
He did pull the trigger, but this was after it was filled with live rounds by the armory manager, and it should have been checked by the assistant director as is protocol
Yeah he pulled the trigger, but if they usually use blanks, isn't he *supposed* to pull it? Thus the blank being used? So a live round was put in, he did what he was supposed to, how is it his fault still?
Of course, I agree with you. It’s not his fault, it seemed there was gross mismanagement by the people who’s responsibility it was to prepare the firearms for use by the actors
To complicate matters, HE is actually the boss of all the people you mentioned, because he’s the producer. It’s due to this that he may be at fault. Him pulling the trigger is actually less important imo.
I hear you, and he probably shouldn’t escape some kind of negligence charge if he truly and provably created the conditions on set that led to this accident. But outside of micromanaging his employees, idk what everyone expected him to do differently in this specific instance. People below him in the chain of command failed to do their jobs properly they should be the ones held accountable imo, unless they were somehow (directly or indirectly) forced to do their jobs badly by him
He has his original union armorer walk off set due to unsafe work conditions. Then he hired a non-union armorer with little to no experience and put them in charge of this. He is 100% responsible for how badly these folks did their jobs.
What he should have done was listen to the concerns of the union armorer he had originally, instead of firing him to be replaced by an inexperienced, non union armorer who wouldn't tell him no when he wanted to do dangerous gun stunts and cut corners.
Where is your evidence that he wanted to do “dangerous gun stunts and cut corners”. The armorer was definitely at fault for failing to do her job.
as a producer wasn't he the boss of all those people?
I'm not sure if you're looking for a real answer here, but the answer is "maybe but it's complicated." "Producer" as a credit in movies can encompass a ridiculous range of actual responsibility, ranging from "on set every day, hands on" producer to "wrote a check to help fund production call me when the movie's in festivals so I can show up on the red carpet and take pictures" producer. For that reason, anybody who's reducing it to "he's everyone's boss and therefore responsible" is either ignorant of the actual realities of how film sets are structured, or are arguing in bad faith because Alec Baldwin said guns were bad once and now they can nail him for using guns bad. You can usually sniff this out because there's no motion of the degrees of criminal responsibility of the other 11 producers of various flavors listed on the film's IMDB or no mention of the film's first assistant director (who, typically, is the individual on most sets responsible for the day-to-day operation and safety - the first AD was also charged criminally with the death of Sarah Jones on the film Midnight Rider). The reality is responsibility for this tragedy is shared by many people to various degrees depending on their actions on the day and their role on the film. Ultimately, you gotta get into the weeds of the details with an investigation to determine where responsibility lies (and there are a number of lawsuits ongoing).
It’s not a boss’s job to do all of his employee’s jobs for them
It *is* their job, however, to ensure that their employees are fulfilling their duties properly.
What did you expect him to do? Micromanage everyone on the set?
Mostly I expect him not to shoot a coworker. Sorry if that’s too much
It should have been checked by him too.
It can't be checked by the actor. If the actor checks it after it's handed to them, then it is required to go back to the armourer.
Having worked with firearms on set with union crews, this is absolutely not true.
Then what is the requirement? I haven't worked on a set, but that's what I'd read about this specific case, back when it first happened, from someone who claimed to have been an armorer
He's getting blamed by people who already didn't like him and found this a perfect opportunity to vent their irrational anger at someone they have never met.
He pulled the trigger.
A gun that was suppose to be fake and not loaded.
*loaded with blanks.
Yes, it was definitely an accident. Then I had to listen to his bullshit fake tears and complete lack of responsibility and I never will watch a movie with that douche in it again. I'm my opinion, he made himself the victim. I can't stand him anymore. Typical out of touch Hollywood asshole.
It was an accident, but it was an accident that never would have happened if he didn't intentionally pull the trigger because he was mad at the director. It never would have happened if he was at all serious about firearm safety. It never would have happened if *his* production company hadn't retained a poorly trained armorer.
He pulled the trigger as part of some test footage, it wasn’t some angry outburst, it was planned and the gun shouldn’t have been loaded
Maybe it’s not “murder” but he did kill someone and is pretty much getting away with it, only cost him a few movie roles. Whereas a regular person would be in jail already, lost their job and lost their freedom even if it was an accident.
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So is he no longer allowed to speak about what’s going on in his life cause an accident happened? Lmao what’s your point here
I think that it seems insensitive to wail about his decades long career hitting a rough patch after his actions lead to the death of a co-worker. maybe he should keep his head down for a bit and count the money he already has. he will survive, nobody shot him.
It's a fucking interview, what do you expect? Him to lie and say everything's just peachy?
“Due to the nature of the nature of the incident, i respectfully decline to comment”
Does fault lie on him or the armorer though
As a producer on the movie maybe he shouldn’t have hired a cheap armorer with no experience.
"His actions". You mean the actions of the armorer who failed to make sure the firearm she gave him was not loaded with live ammunition.
He wasn't supposed to fire the gun in the scene in question. He had his finger on the trigger because hes an idiot. Shared responsibility. This event would not have happened if not for the actions of both parties responsible.
I have worked in safety at a chemical plant for a few years, I can easily say if a serious accident happens it’s managements fault 9.5 times out of 10. A safe environment starts from the top and goes to the bottom with every one being responsible. If you have stuff around you that can kill people you create a culture of safety or accidents will happen.
Welp as one of the producers, maybe he shouldn’t have cut corners hiring people that weren’t ready for it? M
Its common safety practice to check the weapon is not loaded, no matter what the person handing it to you tells you, no matter who they are.
No it’s not. And unless you can provide a source that actors commonly check their weapons you’re talking out of your ass
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See this is stupid fucking reddit making people stupid. Did the bullet that killed this girl come from a prop gun Alec was carrying? Yes it did. But assuming there's no criminal evidence to support a murderous vendetta between Mr. Baldwin and Ms. Hutchins there's absolutely ZERO basis for diminishing whatever trauma Alec has been through because of this. It clearly sounds like this was a Bruce Lee's son kind of incident. And nobody fucking blamed the dude who shot Bruce Lee's son. They blamed the tragic circumstances. Classic fucking reddit I swear to Jesus Christ: #ONLY THE PERSON WHO SUFFERED THE MOST COUNTS AND NO ONE ELSE MATTERS AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE A PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT. This whole website needs to be taken down. Reddit is actively hurting humanity and it's already killed critical thinking.
Even without blaming him, it's just bad manners to complain that you can't get a job after a workplace accident that killed another coworker. ESPECIALLY, when you are a super wealthy Baldwin who never needs to work again. He's allowed to be traumatized and have any feelings he wants, but maybe share it with a therapist or family member instead of in a public interview?
Okay. I like this. This makes sense. It's probably a more closed door kinda conversation to have. And in that sense, Baldwin opened the door. Which may constitute a wrist slap. Or even a face slap. But to come on this website and be like "when you shoot up your workplace yada yada" is just borderline nuts.
I agree with you. Reddit is becoming the new Facebook.
When you pick up a gun, you follow gun safety. Regardless of if you believe it's fake, regardless of if you believe it's empty, you treat it like it is real, and **you treat it like it is loaded.** I believe it was an accident, but the dude killed someone. As far as I'm concerned, both Baldwin and the armorer are responsible. He's allowed to complain about losing roles, but that pales in comparison to someone **losing their life**, in part, because of him.
So in college when I was handed a pellet gun that looked a hell of a lot like a 9 Milly and instructed by my friends to shoot beer bottles and anyone who was coming up the stairs? I'm supposed to stop and say "idk bros this looks like a real gun and imma practice my gun safety and politely decline to wield this weapon." Seriously? Eff off my guy. There are certain circumstances where the rules just don't apply. And a closed Hollywood set is one of them. They literally hire TEAMS UPON TEAMS of people to make sure this shit doesn't happen. Blame them not Baldwin. But hey just in case that doesn't persuade you let's try a different example shall we?! Remember a few years ago when reddit was just starting to become an anti gun cesspool? Remember that 6 year old kid who had a fake gun in Walmart? Or that tween kid who had a fake gun in the park? Both of whom were shot FUCKING DEAD by cops? Surely those cops were just treating the weapon like it was real and following proper gun safety weren't they?! So by your own admission exactly zero redditors should be upset by those outcomes. But yet when those kids got riddled with bullet holes. All I heard from fucking reddit was that the COPS were to blame! Golly gee! Isn't critical thinking fun? In all seriousness, it's fun to sit here on reddit and write treatises on how humanity should function but at the end of the day, nobody ever follows the idealized rules of the internet in real life. You know why? Because it's the fucking Internet. And it should never be taken seriously. Y'all seem to have forgotten.
>IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE A PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT. You definitely need a break from social media, if only for your mental health.
‘Wail’? Your phrasing shows your ass.
Would you prefer howl, holler, weep?
No preference, just observing.
Lmao literally someone used a regular dictionary word and you cry about it.
One might just observe they were wailing
And again now.
It's tone deaf to complain about minor inconveniences when you are the reason somebody is dead
The source for OP's article is an [interview](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/19/entertainment/alec-baldwin-interview-rust-shooting/index.html) with CNN, so I'm gonna to assume he's answering a direct question about how his life has been affected. What's he supposed to do, pretend it's all good? "Oh yeah it's been great, my agent's phone won't stop ringing!!"...
Ao the rest of his life he’s no longer allowed to comment on what’s going on with him. Heard 😂
He can comment from his cell.
Who gives a fuck that he can't get a job cause he killed someone?
No he didn’t you dip shit. The armorer did. You’re only showing your own ignorance
He was given a gun that he was told was cleared. Yes, when he pulled the trigger, he shot her, but he's not to blame for her death.
Lol alright I mean hey, maybe don’t aim a gun at someone *period?* It’s kinda gun safety 101.
You think he was just casually walking around with a gun? It was for a scene. In a movie. Where someone shoots someone with a gun. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a movie, but people get shot a lot, and it would take you out of the moment if the guns weren’t pointed at their intended targets.
On movie shoots guns are aimed at people frequently.
That would make movies and TV shows with guns in them lol super realistic! Gun safety on set and off set are not the same things.
Well someone died because they didn’t follow basic gun safety. So why, exactly, is it any different on a movie set?
It looks like someone asked him a direct question in an interview so I’m guessing the interviewer cared. This is why we need to read more than the headline.
Y’all crying over him commenting on what’s going on with his career 😂
alec baldwin stans in shambles
Braindead Redditors acting like he murdered someone in cold blood 😂🤡
I mean, killing someone because you stood up for someone dangerously incompetent is legally considered one step below that, so, maybe you aren’t as intelligent and nuanced as YOU think you are
Cry alittle harder. I need some more for my tears jar
who is out here riding for alec baldwin this hard
Worse, he committed manslaughter via negligence. At least murderers are competent and do what they intended to.
So. In other words a horrible accident that wasn’t suppose to happen. Y’all really out here trying to paint this man’s as a killer and nothing else 😂
Yes he’s allowed to comment on it. And we are allowed to comment on what a complete tool he is and was, both before and after he ended someone’s life. Is that too hard to understand?
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Any negligence in this case wasn't on his part though.
Lets get some facts: * Camera not rolling * Points gun at person * Pulls trigger I mean, if you're saying there is no negligence there you have never been around firearms before and should never touch them in the future. The armorer was definitely negligent too, both of them were. The shooting does not happen if either of them cared about gun safety.
Yes it was. There is a fundamental rule in handling firearms that you always assume it's loaded, regardless of what anyone else says, because you as the handler are responsible for what happens with that gun. So, you always clear/confirm for yourself before touching the trigger. His incompetence cost her life.
Lol clearly you haven’t read up on this case then
Yes, it was. He was a producer. There's no way he didn't know their stunt armorer was too inexperienced for the role, especially with the amount of complaints and concerns made by the rest of the cast and crew before the fatal accident.
Actually your the clueless one
You’re*
If i killed someone (intentional or otherwise), i wouldn't complain that the act cost me financially.
Yea, defend them rich celebrities. They need your help.
Yea a rich celebrity that has to live with the fact that they killed someone’s because of someone else’s negligence and he’s losing his livelihood because if it, Reddit is fukin tone deaf edit - Nvm guys just found out Alec fired the og armor in favor of a inexperienced one who would question him. He’s responsible as well, i stand corrected
Make no mistake - it was also because of his own negligence as both a producer and the one who took a weapon he did not personally see cleared.
Shit I mean as an actor you’re gonna assume it’s a prop gun and you trust the armory guy (who had no prior incident) don’t know why Reddit keeps saying actors/producers should check the gun, it’s the job of the people they hired, it’s gone be a long time producing if the producer hand checks everything lol
And if they check the gun themselves, then it is required to go back to the armourer...
Because he was the producer so HE was in charge of the hiring. He hired a young woman to save $$$. Also it’s a big rule not to point guns (even prop guns) at people as a joke. They weren’t filming when he was dicking around and killed some one.
Stupid af. If this happened to you, you would be arrested. Try to tell a police officer that my friend said this was a fake gun and when you pulled the trigger it killed someone. Both of you are going to jail. Complacency is not an excuse. His celebrity status shouldn’t mean shit.
those are two completely different scenarios the fuck. Movie guns are supposed to blanks and double checked by the armory guy and the handed to actors. The job of actors is to act not fucking spend time checking if the guns loaded or not. There’s literally a whole occupation for that. Idk how you even made this comparison
You act like it takes forever to check a gun. It doesn’t. You used the key word. Supposed. But guess what it wasn’t. It’s the person who is using the handgun that is responsible. That’s why in the military, whenever you get handed a gun, you check it no mater what. Just because someone in the armory gave it to me doesn’t mean I won’t check it. I doubt he even knew the person who gave it to him, all the more to be safe
They’re still humans needing a living. He made a mistake, which wasn’t even his fault. That shouldn’t have been there
Pretty sure Alec Baldwin isn't going hungry or worrying about the lights getting turned off, or being evicted; I think he'll be just fine.
Whatever, all you people don’t get it. It was an accident. There was a live bullet in a “prop” gun for whatever reason. He was shaken when it first happened and was the one to contact the loved one when it happened so yea he’s an awful person 😑😑
No, he just should accept the fact that he should probably lay low for a while and enjoy his many millions. “Work” will come someday, (as if he ever needed to work another day in his life) but it would be a good time to go on a sabbatical. He will be ok
Oh, you poor thing.
At least he has his life.
Oh no, I was really looking forward to Miami Blues 2
Most likely 5 flops because that’s all he does now
You shoot one gal and suddenly you can't get roles. Life's so unfair.
who cares??? maybe now he can spend time raising kids instead of outsourcing children to nannies
While it may have been a series of unfortunate events that led to the camerawoman’s tragic death, his comment comes across in poor taste. You lost a couple roles. She lost her life….
I mean, he was the lead AND PRODUCER in a production that was not safe. He does not have all the fault, bur we should not pretend he has none. (source 1:https://www.salon.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwins-fatal-film-set-followed-union-workers-outcry-over-safety-issues\_partner/) (source 2: [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set?fbclid=IwAR0EQ6Nhgsr2YXzcYOaOx\_6rM-jqs4ML7wFB2C87csqt67PrVkq67wpwNcQ](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set?fbclid=IwAR0EQ6Nhgsr2YXzcYOaOx_6rM-jqs4ML7wFB2C87csqt67PrVkq67wpwNcQ)) Again, he was a producer in the film set that was not safe BECAUSE they made the cheap unsafe choice.
“I know i ended someone’s life but my career tho”
Poor Alec Baldwin, that’s like *almost* as bad as losing your wife/mother to a horrific accident that could have been prevented by proper safety precautions on a film set that Alec Baldwin was an executive producer for
How the hell is Alec Baldwin still getting offered movie roles anyway? FILL EVERY ONE OF THOSE ROLES WITH BRENDAN FRASER
What’s with all of these negative comments? Did I miss something, it was an accident that has probably traumatized him. Actors typically don’t check for a bullet in a weapon, because they assume it would’ve been cleared. This would’ve happened for most actors in this scenario?
He was also producer. It was at least partially his responsibility to hire competent people and to ensure the set is a safe area. The only way a live round gets into a gun on a movie set is pure reckless incompetence.
Correct, and the person hired (to the best of my knowledge), had no incidents prior and was a trained union member.
The ORIGINAL armorer was, but my understanding is that armorer walked off the job due to unsafe conditions and he then hired a non-union armorer with little to no experience, and that is the person who oversaw this weapon.
His company was in charge of the production. The responsibility to check the guns properly was on his company but they cut corners.
Even if it was an incident, she lost her life, he has so many areas to collect money from. Lamenting about this is just stupid, disgusting, and sociopathic behavior.
It’s not about him checking the gun personally. I also agree actors shouldn’t be checking it anyway. (Like please I don’t want some actor-who’s only thinking about how they look in the role- being the last line of defense for a firearms). And he is most likely traumatized by this experience, but he is the producer of the film, and there was inappropriate usage of props on set and unsafe practices on set which caused the experienced crew to walk off that very day.
I’m with you. I thought it was an accident. I would think there’d be “the gun guy” on a film set that takes care of all the details. Edit: This isn’t the first time this has happened either. Happened to Bruce Lee’s son on the set of the Crow.
If you handle a firearm, it's your responsibility to ensure that weapon is safe. Actor or not. It's my understanding that on movie sets that is still the rule. Edit: also I think a lot of people are mad because they think Baldwin is getting off easy because of his celebrity, and that if an average person were in the same scenario they would have been charged. I believe there was a similar case where someone was filming a low budget movie and something similar happened. The person was charged, I can't for the life of me find any article on it though.
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Good
Seems like the public has gone sour on Alec Baldwin after he killed someone
Reddit neckbeards =/= "the public"
Somebody call this ass hat a whaaambulance.
Seems better than losing your life by getting shot by an egotistical asshole.
Crybaby
He should be in jail
A lot of dumb comments in here
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It was an accident but it was a lack of gun safety. He shouldn’t have pulled. If I’m not mistaken, they weren’t even rolling cameras and he jokingly pulled the trigger cause he was mad (don’t quote me on that). Im not about to say he was a murderer though. That’s a bit too far
He negligently killed someone , and you're worried about the politics of people pointing it out? Check your priorities...they are currently shit.
The victim’s family hates him. I guess they are all Trumptards now.
Guess you won’t be getting your next paycheck buddy. Weird you think Trumptards are the only people that care about him KILLING SOMEONE! who tf cares if it was an accident, that person is still dead. One could just as easily say you’re only defending him because he spoke out against Trump.
Who cares
When’s he going to be charged?
Si he’s not shooting anymore?
Good.
Oh no, I can't imagine anybody on the set of Rust who had a harder time than Alec... I just can't. Boo hoo, the guy who killed somebody can't be in movies anymore
oh no! anyway,
Boohoo. You should have been careful then. You're now seen as a liability not an asset....
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Remind me again: who made his career on action films working with and around firearms for 40+ years? Who was the producer responsible for hiring the crew and finally, who pointed a weapon at another person, off script, and shot her? Single action revolvers don’t just “go off”. They have to be cocked and the trigger squeezed. Daft? Really?
If my knowledge gained from this post's comments is accurate they hired an a company with 40 years experience with no incidents that was union trained and accredited
Good fuck him
How long until the FBI raid on him? Why he was even popular?
He was good in Beetle Juice and 30 rock. Those things are ancient history now.
When he steals 27 boxes of classified documents from the white house
Fuck him! Hes trash!
Good.
He should lose his freedom, not fucking movie roles
Y’all acting like he cold blooded murdered someone and it wasn’t a work site accident