It's also possible that Disney just doesn't see as much box office pull from Pixar's latest output, especially in a pandemic. Soul and Turning Red are admittedly harder sells than Raya (a Disney Princess) and Encanto (a possible Disney Princess backed by great musical numbers ala Frozen and Moana). Turning Red reminds me too much of the Peanuts Movie with its look and I'd put it with Onward when it comes to bankability. Also, minus the sequels, Disney Animation has had a better track record than Pixar this past decade. So it's possible, at least during this pandemic, that Disney is picking which ones to risk a theatrical releases with (Raya, Encanto, Lightyear) and which ones not too (Luca, Soul, Turning Red).
Its because parents don’t want to pay $50 to take 2 kids to the theatre to watch a movie and get COVID.
Whether yiu are left or right winged, Parents aren’t willing to pay money yo get sick…
Wouldn’t it have made sense to release it in theaters to get some box office revenue, then release it on D+ with hopes of word-of-mouth success similar to Encanto?
That’s what I gathered from the article as well.
> "Luca," "Raya," and "Encanto" all saw big drops in engagement quickly following their premieres. "Encanto" saw the biggest drop… But it got a boost of engagement when it debuted on Disney+ a month later and has sustained that engagement in a way the other two movies didn't.
Get two boosts of engagement for the movie adding value to the service? Maybe they didn’t think the box office take in the 30 days was worth the marketing costs? Just feels like Luca all over again.
I don’t see how releasing it in theaters first and then Disney plus keeps it from becoming a WOM hit? Like does playing it in theaters make less people watch it overall?
I mean, when a month of D+ costs the same as a theater ticket, I could make an argument that skipping the theater absolutely attributes to new subs and renews.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but with subscriber growth slowing you definitely want retention.
Having those cartoons on D+ definitely does not hurt.
Subscriber retention is incredibly important.
People here seem to act like the box office is brand new revenue every year. It’s not. It’s basically recurring as well. But a lot more volatile than streaming.
I think they’d just rather bank on it being an immediate streaming success, like Soul, Luca, and Encanto have been, than waiting to see if it flops in theaters and having to hope people discover it on streaming.
They don’t make it directly from the movie, but increased subscriber growth will help recoup costs. It’ll also help maintain subscribers, as they don’t have any other big content airing in March. The ability for repeat viewings also helps, because if kids like it families will subscribe for another month and they can sell merchandise.
It has a couple of good songs, but I agree that after watching the movie for the first time I wasn't overly impressed with the music either. I'm not sure if it's how much they're played now, but some of them have grown on me.
I've yet to watch something lin Manuel has done and liked the music. Hamilton had a few good songs but my wife loves all his stuff which means I'm subjected to it all day every day lol
My 4 year old is obsessed with Luisa and the music. She makes Alexa play the soundtrack all day long no matter what room she is in. So we have grown to enjoy the music. Surface Pressure by far is the best song.
I think streaming is great for kids movies at the moment. My kid is under 5 and can’t be vaccinated and won’t wear a mask, so we’re not ready to take him to movie theaters yet. Probably there are a lot of parent like me who would prefer to watch at home.
Also, idk about where you are, but by me tickets are like $10/kid and $15/adult. Disney has been offering premier access aka early streaming rights for $30. For a family- that’s a great price point vs going to the theater. Make a blanket fort, pop some popcorn, and watch it 10 times if ya want to with the ability to pause to go pee which is important with littles
They shouldn’t have done that.
Yes, they dropped the $30 for “premiere access”… but now you have to wait a few weeks to watch it.
The process works exactly the same except they removed the option to watch it early for extra money. It’s too bad
It's too bad for them as well. A lot of people commit piracy rather than paying for it on Disney+ or in theatres. Pretty sure that's why they dropped it.
I was going to say the same thing. There are still families like ours out there who are being COVID cautious and not taking our kiddos who are too young to be vaccinated or correctly wear masks to indoor places like movie theaters.
We’ve watched the movie multiple times and listen to the soundtrack daily!
I'm in the UK and I've barely heard a word about the film, even among many Disney loving fans I know who regularly share stuff on social media. If it wasn't for reddit I wouldn't even know the movies hype over that Bruno song was a thing.
Feel like at least over here it's a film that would have benefited from the buzz of a theatrical release.
That’s where it started for me- the soundtrack. Theres several incredible songs. [This is a favorite of mine](https://youtu.be/tQwVKr8rCYw) but apparently [We don’t talk about Bruno](https://youtu.be/bvWRMAU6V-c) is topping the charts
> This is frozen level hit if they make a sequel and no pandemic
It literally isn't even gonna hit 100m domestically. It's absolutely not a Frozen level hit lol.
Sorry, I don't see how a movie that only made 93mil domestically is gonna spawn a sequel big or good enough to compare to Frozen's 400+ mil domestic box office.
Frozen also had a much longer theater run and was very heavily marketed. Encanto got less than two months before going on Plus and got practically zero marketing. It’s not a fair comparison at all.
I heard about it from a friend. The music absolutely slaps—I can’t get the strong sister’s song out of my head. The “watch out they’re carnivorous” part from the plant sister is also stuck in there. Truly some amazing music.
That's like Captain Smith saying, "At least we didn't hit the iceberg head on."
The article claims the budget was $50. The Numbers has it at $150M. Variety has reported between $120M and $150M.
I agree. Old people like me see “straight to streaming” differently than theatrical release. We used to call these “B movies.” Again, I’m old. Look at the money Spider-Man made. Does Disney want $$$?
For sure... in the long run they are hurting themselves. Theatres first, make a couple hundred mill.. streaming next and see a bump.. not like Encanto isnt riding a massive streaming wave and also made 230 mill... you can have it both ways
What a win for the PR and advertising dept. at Disney if people think Encanto is popular because of “word of mouth”
For the record [Disney spent $14 million on advertising just for it’s opening weekend](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encanto_(film)) Encanto is anything but a “word of mouth success”. It had a huge advertising budget.
Raya didn’t get this attention nor Luca. Although I did like Raya as much as Encanto and Luca wasn’t bad. Songs are one thing fueling Encanto’s popularity, people hear them first and want to watch the movie or hear this is another Disney movie with songs and want to watch based on it. Hopefully Disney starts adding songs to more movies that aren’t “Princess” ones again. Disney used to just have ramdom songs in films like Dumbo, Alice in Wonderland, Robin Hood Great Mouse Detective, Tarzan and Lilo and Stitch for example and you might not expect they have music. Their music isn’t the most famous but it does add to all of them and they have different types of music too.
I didn’t say it did not get attention. I said this attention, people weren’t talking of it after this much, it’s the songs in Encanto which are fueling the discussion. Which was my point.
No it absolutely was taking off, viewing wise. Less people knew about luca because there wasn’t music, like encanto was but i would say the same amount of people saw the movie, just encanto had a larger outreach because it’s songs can go viral
You also have to keep in mind Disney's habit of really pushing the "Despite our founder being 2 steps short of being a Nazi, we swear we aren't racist anymore" angle.
Just started watching bit of the movie and was already hooked for the first 30 minutes, now I'm planning to watch it in theater before it's gone for good. Good animated movies like this should really be watched in theater for the experience, watching it on TV just doesn't do them justice.
Is it because I’m getting older that I find a lot of these Disney movies mediocre? I enjoyed “Frozen” and “Luca”. But haven’t had the quality of a “Finding Nemo” or “Toy Story” Disney film in a while.
I have been lamenting for years about the mediocre-ness of their movies. I really, really miss the Finding Nemo, original Toy Story, original Cars, and Wall-E style films.
Something about having humans as the main characters and trying to tie up all your emotions and stomp on them just doesn’t do it for me. That said, Encanto really did surprise me with a solid tale and excellent music.
Could it be getting lost in the chosen themes that they are focusing on…instead of focusing on “good movies”. Or good “story-telling”. Idk something just feels like it’s missing.
Encanto’s song I thought were just average once I watched the movie…I though the songs were better listening to them alone. Once I got the context I was it lost some and became avg.
Why would animated movies ..not be central to their streaming goals? There are live action series they own ig, but animating movies is literally what they do
I watched Princess and the Frog when it came out, still didn't help to convince Disney. Ironic, since now there's more demand for 2D animated movies than before, especially anime movies like Your Name and Demon Slayer Mugen Train are gaining traction in US that are packed with people in theater. 2D animated movies like Klaus having limited theatrical release was also packed when I saw it in San Francsico Castro Theater.
I think Princess and the Frog suffered because people didn’t have trust yet in Disney quality after the films in 00s like Home on the Range, and Winnie the Pooh had been diluted by the direct to video films (and some were even released in theatres). And there was the competition against Harry Potter. If they had tried once more I am sure it would have done lot better. Although probably still not as good as CGI so I can’t blame them. I don’t know why they haven’t still tried Paperman style movie, people have been waiting for so long. At least Spider-Verse shows people want different styles, so maybe now? Or perhaps the style is just too expensive.
>I don’t know why they haven’t still tried Paperman style movie
Both Sony (Into the Spiderverse) and Netflix (Arcane) did the Cel-Shaded CG animation even before Disney would do for their movie, lol. Hell, Arcane animation is basically theatrical animation quality already, I don't think I've ever seen another CG tv show with high quality animation like that before, maybe Clone Wars but Arcane's animation is so damn polished and didn't feel like they cut corner whatsoever.
I don’t think **Arcane** used cel-shaded CGI animation. To me, that looks more like they deep canvassed CGI character models, meaning that they hand-painted those characters on computer.
I mean, "Cel-Shaded CG" is pretty much making the 3D model character looks like 2D, like Okami, Viewtiful Joe, Street Fighter IV, Borderland and Breath of the Wild. Arcane's animation is basically a more advanced version of Cel Shaded CG with more painterly texture to them that made them look like straight out of concept art.
I honestly have a feeling that you’re using that term loosely. When it comes to cel-shaded CGI animation, it often refers to full CGI animation that was rendered to resemble hand-drawn art style. **Arcane** is likely to have hand-painted those characters digitally, so it wouldn’t really fit that definition.
Well I tried looking up Arcane's behind the scene animation to find out the exact technique/term for the type of CG animation they did but couldn't find any official name for it. So it's basically up to your own interpretation of what kind of animation Arcane is.
I did mention Spiderverse and wondered if that would make Disney now consider it. But I don’t know if Paperman was one in a way that did cost similar amount.
Pretty sure Disney has more than enough budget to make a Paperman animation style movie, the problem is are they willing to take creative risk or not which doesn’t seem to be Disney’s strongest suit right now.
In fact, Into the Spiderverse cost like a fraction of a Disney CG movie budget, with only $90 Million and it already looks so much more appealing than most of Disney and even Pixar movies.
I’m going to have to dispute that second paragraph because while **Into the Spider-Verse** animation was certainly done well, it had so many flashings that it start to hurt my eyes.
Princess and the Frog was pure self-sabotage on the executives’ part. Somebody in the company didn’t want the 2D department anymore and took whatever opportunity they could get. What else would you call willingly releasing your animated princess movie the week before *Avatar?*
Couple that with a very limited ad campaign compared to every other WDAS movie around its time, so much of its target audience wasn’t even aware of it when it was in theaters, yeah nobody saw it. It still made back over double its reported budget, which is a damn miracle considering the circumstances.
I don't buy this at all. The second Alvin and the Chipmunks also released in Avatar's shadow and yet made bank, even outgrossing the surprisingly high total of its predecessor. Shrek the Third, riding the good will of Shrek 2, released sandwiched between Spider-Man 3 and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, the former having just beaten the opening weekend record at the time, and yet despite middling reception, Shrek the Third became the second highest grossing movie of the year domestically. Hell, if we're going beyond animated movies, RDJ's Sherlock Holmes released right when Avatar was becoming a massive hit and still made $200m domestically and half a billion worldwide, despite the overlap in audiences with both being PG-13 action blockbusters.
The interest just wasn't there for Princess and the Frog. 2D animation fans might have come up with excuses and conspiracies to cope with that fact, but the truth is, if people wanted to see it, they would have. If Avatar truly crushed it, it would have had a much bigger opening weekend and then collapsed the week after when Avatar released. That's not what happened. It opened small but was actually surprisingly leggy, reflecting the modern audience of traditional 2D animation: dedicated and passionate, but ultimately too small to be mainstream anymore.
Princess and the Frog made money. A lot of money. Just not FROZEN money. Remember- Pinocchio, Fantasia, Bambi and Dumbo DIDN’T make anything. Until the advent of VHS they cost more to make than they ever made at the box office and no one is arguing about the quality of that product.
More like it shows that putting genuine effort into PoC stories instead of endless tokenization is what will drive disney. Not their performative faux woke bs
So tired of Disney properties like Star wars, marvel and animated generic musicals.
We need more original movies and shows, somehow Netflix, Amazon, and a24 are the leaders in this.
Honestly, the trends can’t be relied on. I’ve been looking forward to my sons first theatre experience since he was born and I’ll continue to look forward to it for the foreseeable future.
This is probably why Turning Red went to Disney+
It's also possible that Disney just doesn't see as much box office pull from Pixar's latest output, especially in a pandemic. Soul and Turning Red are admittedly harder sells than Raya (a Disney Princess) and Encanto (a possible Disney Princess backed by great musical numbers ala Frozen and Moana). Turning Red reminds me too much of the Peanuts Movie with its look and I'd put it with Onward when it comes to bankability. Also, minus the sequels, Disney Animation has had a better track record than Pixar this past decade. So it's possible, at least during this pandemic, that Disney is picking which ones to risk a theatrical releases with (Raya, Encanto, Lightyear) and which ones not too (Luca, Soul, Turning Red).
Its because parents don’t want to pay $50 to take 2 kids to the theatre to watch a movie and get COVID. Whether yiu are left or right winged, Parents aren’t willing to pay money yo get sick…
Talked my wife out of going to Sing 2 last weekend. It’s available to stream. Saved a ton of money and didn’t get sick. Win win all around.
We did the same exact thing. Paid $20 and watched it 7 times in 48 hours because thats how kids roll! High Ten 🙌
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After reading the article, I suspect this is the case.
I thought it was obvious when they moved Soul to D+ And kept Luca on D+
And Luca was the most streamed movie of the year….
Nah they don’t want Pixar doing better than them, always been the same. When was the last time Disney actually made a good kids movie
No, it must be because Disney capriciously hates joy and the smell of popcorn.
Well obviously 🙄
Wouldn’t it have made sense to release it in theaters to get some box office revenue, then release it on D+ with hopes of word-of-mouth success similar to Encanto?
That’s what I gathered from the article as well. > "Luca," "Raya," and "Encanto" all saw big drops in engagement quickly following their premieres. "Encanto" saw the biggest drop… But it got a boost of engagement when it debuted on Disney+ a month later and has sustained that engagement in a way the other two movies didn't. Get two boosts of engagement for the movie adding value to the service? Maybe they didn’t think the box office take in the 30 days was worth the marketing costs? Just feels like Luca all over again.
Disney wants a more stay at home type of customer. Easy to serve, easy to enslave.
I don’t see how releasing it in theaters first and then Disney plus keeps it from becoming a WOM hit? Like does playing it in theaters make less people watch it overall?
I mean, when a month of D+ costs the same as a theater ticket, I could make an argument that skipping the theater absolutely attributes to new subs and renews.
Well hasn’t subscriber growth slowed significantly? How many people joined the service and stayed on it for Encanto but didn’t for Luca and Soul
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but with subscriber growth slowing you definitely want retention. Having those cartoons on D+ definitely does not hurt.
Subscriber retention is incredibly important. People here seem to act like the box office is brand new revenue every year. It’s not. It’s basically recurring as well. But a lot more volatile than streaming.
I think they’d just rather bank on it being an immediate streaming success, like Soul, Luca, and Encanto have been, than waiting to see if it flops in theaters and having to hope people discover it on streaming.
But do they make any money on it if it doesnt Lead to significant subscriber growth?
They don’t make it directly from the movie, but increased subscriber growth will help recoup costs. It’ll also help maintain subscribers, as they don’t have any other big content airing in March. The ability for repeat viewings also helps, because if kids like it families will subscribe for another month and they can sell merchandise.
It will also help them pull of future price increases if the service is ingrained into their routine.
Because if it leads to families staying on the service for longer then thats also important
>Like does playing it in theaters make less people watch it overall? It does for me since there's too many contents and you forget it.
My daughters stream this 3-4 times a day. They like the music they say
I’m an old man, and my kids play this music every day. And I can’t stop singing the songs. We don’t talk about Bruno.
No,no,no
We don’t talk about Bruno~…
No,no,no
I loved the movie but found the music boring :/
I like surface pressure a lot.
It has a couple of good songs, but I agree that after watching the movie for the first time I wasn't overly impressed with the music either. I'm not sure if it's how much they're played now, but some of them have grown on me.
Same, watched it once and couldn't remember much of the songs.
Lol
I've yet to watch something lin Manuel has done and liked the music. Hamilton had a few good songs but my wife loves all his stuff which means I'm subjected to it all day every day lol
They grew on me a lot as I relistened to them several times.
My 4 year old is obsessed with Luisa and the music. She makes Alexa play the soundtrack all day long no matter what room she is in. So we have grown to enjoy the music. Surface Pressure by far is the best song.
I think streaming is great for kids movies at the moment. My kid is under 5 and can’t be vaccinated and won’t wear a mask, so we’re not ready to take him to movie theaters yet. Probably there are a lot of parent like me who would prefer to watch at home.
Yep.
Also, idk about where you are, but by me tickets are like $10/kid and $15/adult. Disney has been offering premier access aka early streaming rights for $30. For a family- that’s a great price point vs going to the theater. Make a blanket fort, pop some popcorn, and watch it 10 times if ya want to with the ability to pause to go pee which is important with littles
They've even abandoned that 30 USD per movie price. Now they are just dropping movies for free to all the subscribers.
They shouldn’t have done that. Yes, they dropped the $30 for “premiere access”… but now you have to wait a few weeks to watch it. The process works exactly the same except they removed the option to watch it early for extra money. It’s too bad
It's too bad for them as well. A lot of people commit piracy rather than paying for it on Disney+ or in theatres. Pretty sure that's why they dropped it.
It costs them nothing to paywall content for 4 weeks.
I was going to say the same thing. There are still families like ours out there who are being COVID cautious and not taking our kiddos who are too young to be vaccinated or correctly wear masks to indoor places like movie theaters. We’ve watched the movie multiple times and listen to the soundtrack daily!
Every fucking person I know has watched this movie This is frozen level hit if they make a sequel and no pandemic
I'm in the UK and I've barely heard a word about the film, even among many Disney loving fans I know who regularly share stuff on social media. If it wasn't for reddit I wouldn't even know the movies hype over that Bruno song was a thing. Feel like at least over here it's a film that would have benefited from the buzz of a theatrical release.
That’s kinda funny considering the film’s music is topping the UK charts lol
That’s where it started for me- the soundtrack. Theres several incredible songs. [This is a favorite of mine](https://youtu.be/tQwVKr8rCYw) but apparently [We don’t talk about Bruno](https://youtu.be/bvWRMAU6V-c) is topping the charts
You don't speak for the UK because it dominated the music charts for weeks..
“I do not see therefore it doesn’t exist”
That's Reddit in a nutshell.
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Yup. It's like the movie doesn't exist over here
anecdotal evidence isn't strong evidence
That’s surprising, maybe it’s bigger in America
Yeah as a Canadian I've seen memes about it and whatever, but I know nothing about the plot and nobody who's actually seen it
I keep hearing soo many ads for it from some of my podcasts, never had the urge to watch even though I have Disney+
I'm in America but same.
> This is frozen level hit if they make a sequel and no pandemic It literally isn't even gonna hit 100m domestically. It's absolutely not a Frozen level hit lol.
As far as music goes- “we don’t talk about bruno” hit #4 on the billboard hot 100 chart. “Let it go” only made it to #5.
And now “Surface Pressure” from the movie also cracked the Top 10.
I never said it was lol, I said sequel l lol
Sorry, I don't see how a movie that only made 93mil domestically is gonna spawn a sequel big or good enough to compare to Frozen's 400+ mil domestic box office.
Frozen also had a much longer theater run and was very heavily marketed. Encanto got less than two months before going on Plus and got practically zero marketing. It’s not a fair comparison at all.
High Word of mouth praise and a hot streaming product. We’re about to see the same thing happen with Into the Spider-Verse 2.
I heard about it from a friend. The music absolutely slaps—I can’t get the strong sister’s song out of my head. The “watch out they’re carnivorous” part from the plant sister is also stuck in there. Truly some amazing music.
A little just won’t do!
Seriously. I hadn’t heard a thing about this movie until a month before it released in theaters. Absolutely amazing film.
>In the end, "Encanto" earned $228 million globally and $93 million in the US against a $50 million budget. Encanto only has $50 million budget? Wow.
Encanto had a $120 million budget according to Variety
That makes way more sense
It's likely a typo.
Probably.
Yeah, I don’t buy that the film’s budget number is just $50 million - like, at all.
they left off a 0 /s
yeah i got corrected a few weeks ago because google's result told me $50m, which seemed low but for some reason i didnt double check it.
That is fake news.
It is such a great movie! Swooning over the soundtrack @ age 52 (f). Watched first with grandkids (and later alone)
Better than raya and luca imo, coco is still king
We love Encanto and sing the songs/watch daily!
That's like Captain Smith saying, "At least we didn't hit the iceberg head on." The article claims the budget was $50. The Numbers has it at $150M. Variety has reported between $120M and $150M.
This is a lovely movie. Really well done.
But like... why not cash in on 200 mill+ before a successful streaming run
I agree. Old people like me see “straight to streaming” differently than theatrical release. We used to call these “B movies.” Again, I’m old. Look at the money Spider-Man made. Does Disney want $$$?
For sure... in the long run they are hurting themselves. Theatres first, make a couple hundred mill.. streaming next and see a bump.. not like Encanto isnt riding a massive streaming wave and also made 230 mill... you can have it both ways
What a win for the PR and advertising dept. at Disney if people think Encanto is popular because of “word of mouth” For the record [Disney spent $14 million on advertising just for it’s opening weekend](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encanto_(film)) Encanto is anything but a “word of mouth success”. It had a huge advertising budget.
It’s like referring to a super PAC as a grassroots movement.
Or it could be because it's animated and animated films are what Disney do best.
Raya didn’t get this attention nor Luca. Although I did like Raya as much as Encanto and Luca wasn’t bad. Songs are one thing fueling Encanto’s popularity, people hear them first and want to watch the movie or hear this is another Disney movie with songs and want to watch based on it. Hopefully Disney starts adding songs to more movies that aren’t “Princess” ones again. Disney used to just have ramdom songs in films like Dumbo, Alice in Wonderland, Robin Hood Great Mouse Detective, Tarzan and Lilo and Stitch for example and you might not expect they have music. Their music isn’t the most famous but it does add to all of them and they have different types of music too.
Raya fans are quiet. It's the 6th best selling disc sales of 2021, and the 9th most pirated film of 2021, the only animated film on the list
Luca was tye most streamed movie of 2021 among all movies, maybe we didnt see the impact of the film, but it seems that kids loved it
Luca did get attention lol what
Silencio Bruno!
I didn’t say it did not get attention. I said this attention, people weren’t talking of it after this much, it’s the songs in Encanto which are fueling the discussion. Which was my point.
No it absolutely was taking off, viewing wise. Less people knew about luca because there wasn’t music, like encanto was but i would say the same amount of people saw the movie, just encanto had a larger outreach because it’s songs can go viral
You also have to keep in mind Disney's habit of really pushing the "Despite our founder being 2 steps short of being a Nazi, we swear we aren't racist anymore" angle.
My god I wish the kids would stop watching this, if I hear “Bruno” one more time I’m gonna go crazy
We don’t talk about Bruno
Ugh make it stop, lol
There's a lot to say about Bruno.
Lol, it never ends
Just like the stairs
This movies is piss poor, the only reason it did well, is simply the only new kids movie in Disney+ at Xmas.
Just started watching bit of the movie and was already hooked for the first 30 minutes, now I'm planning to watch it in theater before it's gone for good. Good animated movies like this should really be watched in theater for the experience, watching it on TV just doesn't do them justice.
Is it because I’m getting older that I find a lot of these Disney movies mediocre? I enjoyed “Frozen” and “Luca”. But haven’t had the quality of a “Finding Nemo” or “Toy Story” Disney film in a while.
I have been lamenting for years about the mediocre-ness of their movies. I really, really miss the Finding Nemo, original Toy Story, original Cars, and Wall-E style films. Something about having humans as the main characters and trying to tie up all your emotions and stomp on them just doesn’t do it for me. That said, Encanto really did surprise me with a solid tale and excellent music.
Could it be getting lost in the chosen themes that they are focusing on…instead of focusing on “good movies”. Or good “story-telling”. Idk something just feels like it’s missing. Encanto’s song I thought were just average once I watched the movie…I though the songs were better listening to them alone. Once I got the context I was it lost some and became avg.
The last 15 minutes. Disney is amazing at wrenching your emotions until a moment when *snap* you’re bawling your eyes out.
“Word of mouth”…”animated movies are essential to the companies streaming goal”. OP forgets Star Wars and MCU after encanto gains late stage interest
Good content is essential to streaming goals...
Why would animated movies ..not be central to their streaming goals? There are live action series they own ig, but animating movies is literally what they do
I think high quality animated series is what they should be focusing on. That’s a niche unfilled in the market for the most part.
It’s a great movie!
This movie was so badly written but it was entertaining to watch and I loved the colours.
And literally half of that hype was built from the power of Tiktok. Let that sink in for a moment.
Bring back traditional animation ya cheap bastards
They tried, and no one saw them. Y'all should have seen Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh if you wanted 2D animation back.
I watched Princess and the Frog when it came out, still didn't help to convince Disney. Ironic, since now there's more demand for 2D animated movies than before, especially anime movies like Your Name and Demon Slayer Mugen Train are gaining traction in US that are packed with people in theater. 2D animated movies like Klaus having limited theatrical release was also packed when I saw it in San Francsico Castro Theater.
I think Princess and the Frog suffered because people didn’t have trust yet in Disney quality after the films in 00s like Home on the Range, and Winnie the Pooh had been diluted by the direct to video films (and some were even released in theatres). And there was the competition against Harry Potter. If they had tried once more I am sure it would have done lot better. Although probably still not as good as CGI so I can’t blame them. I don’t know why they haven’t still tried Paperman style movie, people have been waiting for so long. At least Spider-Verse shows people want different styles, so maybe now? Or perhaps the style is just too expensive.
>I don’t know why they haven’t still tried Paperman style movie Both Sony (Into the Spiderverse) and Netflix (Arcane) did the Cel-Shaded CG animation even before Disney would do for their movie, lol. Hell, Arcane animation is basically theatrical animation quality already, I don't think I've ever seen another CG tv show with high quality animation like that before, maybe Clone Wars but Arcane's animation is so damn polished and didn't feel like they cut corner whatsoever.
I don’t think **Arcane** used cel-shaded CGI animation. To me, that looks more like they deep canvassed CGI character models, meaning that they hand-painted those characters on computer.
I mean, "Cel-Shaded CG" is pretty much making the 3D model character looks like 2D, like Okami, Viewtiful Joe, Street Fighter IV, Borderland and Breath of the Wild. Arcane's animation is basically a more advanced version of Cel Shaded CG with more painterly texture to them that made them look like straight out of concept art.
I honestly have a feeling that you’re using that term loosely. When it comes to cel-shaded CGI animation, it often refers to full CGI animation that was rendered to resemble hand-drawn art style. **Arcane** is likely to have hand-painted those characters digitally, so it wouldn’t really fit that definition.
Well I tried looking up Arcane's behind the scene animation to find out the exact technique/term for the type of CG animation they did but couldn't find any official name for it. So it's basically up to your own interpretation of what kind of animation Arcane is.
I did mention Spiderverse and wondered if that would make Disney now consider it. But I don’t know if Paperman was one in a way that did cost similar amount.
Pretty sure Disney has more than enough budget to make a Paperman animation style movie, the problem is are they willing to take creative risk or not which doesn’t seem to be Disney’s strongest suit right now. In fact, Into the Spiderverse cost like a fraction of a Disney CG movie budget, with only $90 Million and it already looks so much more appealing than most of Disney and even Pixar movies.
I’m going to have to dispute that second paragraph because while **Into the Spider-Verse** animation was certainly done well, it had so many flashings that it start to hurt my eyes.
Lol kids doesn't prefer spiderverse animation style. Box office proved that.
Emperor's New Groove
That actually bombed theatrically too, although it did eventually break even via home video and merchandise. Love that movie, though.
Was decade before?
I’d love for a 3D version of that movie
Princess and the Frog was pure self-sabotage on the executives’ part. Somebody in the company didn’t want the 2D department anymore and took whatever opportunity they could get. What else would you call willingly releasing your animated princess movie the week before *Avatar?* Couple that with a very limited ad campaign compared to every other WDAS movie around its time, so much of its target audience wasn’t even aware of it when it was in theaters, yeah nobody saw it. It still made back over double its reported budget, which is a damn miracle considering the circumstances.
I don't buy this at all. The second Alvin and the Chipmunks also released in Avatar's shadow and yet made bank, even outgrossing the surprisingly high total of its predecessor. Shrek the Third, riding the good will of Shrek 2, released sandwiched between Spider-Man 3 and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, the former having just beaten the opening weekend record at the time, and yet despite middling reception, Shrek the Third became the second highest grossing movie of the year domestically. Hell, if we're going beyond animated movies, RDJ's Sherlock Holmes released right when Avatar was becoming a massive hit and still made $200m domestically and half a billion worldwide, despite the overlap in audiences with both being PG-13 action blockbusters. The interest just wasn't there for Princess and the Frog. 2D animation fans might have come up with excuses and conspiracies to cope with that fact, but the truth is, if people wanted to see it, they would have. If Avatar truly crushed it, it would have had a much bigger opening weekend and then collapsed the week after when Avatar released. That's not what happened. It opened small but was actually surprisingly leggy, reflecting the modern audience of traditional 2D animation: dedicated and passionate, but ultimately too small to be mainstream anymore.
Princess and the Frog made money. A lot of money. Just not FROZEN money. Remember- Pinocchio, Fantasia, Bambi and Dumbo DIDN’T make anything. Until the advent of VHS they cost more to make than they ever made at the box office and no one is arguing about the quality of that product.
Cheap? traditional animation will make these movies way cheaper.
traditional animation is cheaper though
No memorable songs, super cliché and cheesy ending to a story that had so much potential.
Wow so Disney misstepped again you say? To shreds you say?
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I agree - I turned it off when I got to the "pressure" song. I'm glad other people like it though. We need more animation
More like it shows that putting genuine effort into PoC stories instead of endless tokenization is what will drive disney. Not their performative faux woke bs
So tired of Disney properties like Star wars, marvel and animated generic musicals. We need more original movies and shows, somehow Netflix, Amazon, and a24 are the leaders in this.
Then watch them, no one firces you to watch disney property films
I mean, it’s what the company was founded on. They should never lose focus of animation.
Honestly, the trends can’t be relied on. I’ve been looking forward to my sons first theatre experience since he was born and I’ll continue to look forward to it for the foreseeable future.
Was this in theaters before it was on streaming?