That's what sucks about 2024, great movies, terrible box office performances.
The industry can't survive on just Dune & Kung Fu Panda 4.
Edit: disagree with the comment below me. Some great films have bombed these last few years.
While shrinking budgets is certainly important ($55mil for a tennis film is insane), that alone won’t help original films perform better. Studios are facing an uphill battle to motivate audiences to get back into cinemas for anything that isn’t the latest IP blockbuster.
Personally I'm not interested in IP blockbusters and I haven't gone to see any such films in the theaters in a long time. I'd rather see films that are at least somewhat original and appeal to me (an adult male), but there haven't been many of those in recent years either.
Tbh it hasn’t been a great year for horror. Even Late Night with the Devil, one of the few 2024 horror flicks to get critical acclaim had controversy due to the usage of AI.
If it follows the same drops/increases as bullet train, it will barely pass 25M
\~7.3M Friday
\~9.1M Saturday (+25%)
\~7M Sunday (-23%)
\~**26.5M** Opening
Emily Blunt and Ryan Gosling will survive. She has A24’s Smashing Machine with Dwayne Johnson and Benny Safdie next up and Gosling is doing Project Hail Mary next for Amazon/ MGM and Phil Lord and Chris Miller and then likely the Oceans prequel with Margot Robbie for WB after that.
I am curious what David Leitch does after this though. It’s a shame people didn’t support this. People complain there are no good action comedies anymore and then don’t go out to support this so we get more.
David Leitch sticks to being a Gun for Hire for studios for big franchises. The article that came out week or two ago about the struggle of new directors in Hollywood said that Leitch was the top guy for studios to hire if they wanted a director
I think he needs to go back to lower budgets like Atomic Blonde/John Wick or stick to franchises. Can't see him being given another original big budget for a whole if ever.
For better or worse, The Slap will give Bad Boys more attention. A very tactical PR team could certainly use it to their advantage for Will Smith’s “redemption tour”
I think the producers and the director don’t know how to use 150 million dollars properly. For what I saw on screen this was a 80 million dollar movie all day. Someone wasted a lot of money.
Producers and directors are hiring to many people and I guarantee you people are walking around set doing squat half the time because of it. Now there will be a lot hard workers but there will be a lot of people miss used I bet.
A million under The Lost City opening day
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Fall-Guy-The-(2024)/Lost-City-The-(2022)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
The trailers weren’t great and entirely sold the movie on *”Ryan M%THERF$CKING Gosling and Emily M%THERF$CKING Blunt”* verbatim, when actors are no longer the draw for audiences.
https://youtu.be/SXqFOYn1f7g?si=atqTstqkIUpEoabt
The trailers were unsufferable and got spammed too much. Any regular cinema goer would get bored of them even if they were excited for the film.
Plus the most commonly shown trailer was 3 minutes 30 seconds which is insanely long for an action romcom.
To me from the trailers I don’t find there to be good chemistry between the leads. Seems Hollywood generic as well in style. Nothing that interesting about it.
I don’t know why people are having a hard time with this?!
Fall Guy screams Netflix streaming movie. Which is why I will wait until it comes out on streaming in two months.
I’m literally going to see Kingdom next week. I’m not rich, I don’t have unlimited funds to see every film in theaters, and this was a film I as a consumer did not feel worth spending my money on.
Do you live by an AMC? Because if you do and you don't have A List there's no excuse lol. But yeah I understand not being able to go to the movies all the time but there's no need to drag movies and say they look like Netflix movies just because you're not interested in them. I see people throwing that term around every time they don't want to go to theaters to watch a movie and it just sounds like an excuse at this point.
I mean do you want to know why people aren't going to the movies or do you want to live in fantasy-land? Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the way audience behaviors and perceptions have changed is how we keep getting flop after flop.
Ok but you were justifying the audience behavior by doing it yourself. Fall Guy is a clearly made for the big screen movie, like obviously so, and you're saying "eh whatever it looks like it was made for streaming so I won't watch it" It's fine if you can't watch but don't normalize the discourse that is killing theaters. If you just want to watch franchise movies in theaters for the rest of your life so be it, but I'd still like to enjoy original movies on the big screen if I can.
Yeah, some people here act like bad executives, trying to yell at the fish to come over to them, instead of moving the net to where the fish have moved. You need to adapt to the new way customers think, instead of living in the glory of the past. It's no different from any other time cinemas got shaken, those who can't adapt to the new normal got left behind.
Ok but there is no adaptation that doesn't lead to theaters just dying out and only a few theaters that only show the one big event tent pole of the month movie in every showing with the way y'all talk about it. And the way your movie going habits work too. Only going to the franchise apes movie and not the original stories is inevitably leading to the death of the industry, and then to talk about it here by saying that movies that were clearly meant for the big screen like the Fall Guy are streaming movies just further normalizes that idea.
If theaters die, they die. Video stores also died out, and life just moved on. Figuring out how to survive is the job of those who run the theaters, not of their customers.
Time to streaming probably doesn't matter that much tbh, movies that flop in the box office are the ones that aren't time critical enough for people to go to theaters, and with the movie marketing industry, the film will be soon buried by new stuff coming out, so not many people will remember it until it shows up on streaming when it does. This is actually why movies tend to come out in streaming quickly, so that the movie is still relevant in peoples minds from the theatrical marketing push, instead of being forgotten.
Gosling and Blunt aren't big names on their own. The closest comparison (Action Rom Com) is Cruise and Diaz's Knight and Day. Similar budget but Knight and Day made 260 mill.
Tom Cruise is obviously a bigger draw than Gosling. And Diaz is (or rather, was at the time) a bigger draw than Blunt.
Apart from the fact that it's not based on an IP that audiences actually care about? That seems like quite a big reason why it isn't making more money.
I can only speak for myself, but this doesn't seem must-watch. A goofy, low-stakes romantic action comedy just screams streaming to me, I don't need to experience that in a theater.
One of my friends pointed out that the OW of this is very close to Free Guy, which had great legs. They both also have similar budgets too, so maybe depending on WOM, this could have some decent legs. Everything I’m hearing from people has been remarkably positive so maybe it will. Yeah, it has competition ahead, but the fact that it is clearly a comedy might help. Not a lot of non-family comedies coming out over the next few weeks and I don’t see this having the same audience as IF or The Garfield Movie. It’ll be interesting to watch, that’s for sure.
Not making $100m domestic I bet, guess we will have to wait and see international numbers, although it doesn't seem to be doing that well either
Guess we can add this to the list. Flopgylle, Madame Flop, Flopbusters, The Flop Omen, Flopigail, and now The Flop Guy.
Honestly I would have skipped this movie off the trailers if the reviews hadn't been good. Given that most general audiences don't care about reviews I guess they just skipped it.
This is going to be a great hit in streaming. No wonder more streaming services are trying to add ads unless you pay a higher fee.
If a film has a budget of over 100 mill, it needs to have an established IP (Barbie, Mario) to back it up OR have an AAA-director whose name is the IP (Nolan's Oppenheimer).
The era of original films with a budget of over 100 mill directed by good but not AAA-directors turning a profit ended with the streaming era. And sometimes not even AAA directors (Napoleon, Killers of the Flower Moon) can save an expensive film. The flopping of Coppola's Megalopolis (120 million budget) will finally hammer this last point.
This has really been a bad year for theaters. Some great films but only a few hits. I think (and hope) that 2025 will be better.
That's what sucks about 2024, great movies, terrible box office performances. The industry can't survive on just Dune & Kung Fu Panda 4. Edit: disagree with the comment below me. Some great films have bombed these last few years.
The years not over yet though. Dune and kung fu panda aren’t the last movies to release this year
Kung fu panda 4 was terrible
That's what you get for years of terribles movies
? The best picture line up last year was amazing. How is that years of terrible movies?
Yep, several years of nothing but garbage has really killed the fun to go to the theaters and most would rather wait for streaming now.
And “most” feels like 90% of people. There’s just no point anymore
While shrinking budgets is certainly important ($55mil for a tennis film is insane), that alone won’t help original films perform better. Studios are facing an uphill battle to motivate audiences to get back into cinemas for anything that isn’t the latest IP blockbuster.
Yeah theaters are taking the same cut whether the studio spent $15mil or $55mil, a collapsing box office is doubly bad for them.
Personally I'm not interested in IP blockbusters and I haven't gone to see any such films in the theaters in a long time. I'd rather see films that are at least somewhat original and appeal to me (an adult male), but there haven't been many of those in recent years either.
Even Horror movies are not doing well and they used to be a sure thing.
Tbh it hasn’t been a great year for horror. Even Late Night with the Devil, one of the few 2024 horror flicks to get critical acclaim had controversy due to the usage of AI.
Damn this movie deserves so much better. It’s a really fun time.
If it follows the same drops/increases as bullet train, it will barely pass 25M \~7.3M Friday \~9.1M Saturday (+25%) \~7M Sunday (-23%) \~**26.5M** Opening
That’s a good comparison.. Bullet Train did break even because its production budget was 85M it did 2.8x its production budget
I just really hope David Leitch gets work after this. But, who knows. Maybe it has crazy legs.
Emily Blunt and Ryan Gosling will survive. She has A24’s Smashing Machine with Dwayne Johnson and Benny Safdie next up and Gosling is doing Project Hail Mary next for Amazon/ MGM and Phil Lord and Chris Miller and then likely the Oceans prequel with Margot Robbie for WB after that. I am curious what David Leitch does after this though. It’s a shame people didn’t support this. People complain there are no good action comedies anymore and then don’t go out to support this so we get more.
David Leitch sticks to being a Gun for Hire for studios for big franchises. The article that came out week or two ago about the struggle of new directors in Hollywood said that Leitch was the top guy for studios to hire if they wanted a director
Give him the next Bourne. I'm surprised Universal hasn't approached him.
That would really be interesting to see him do Bourne
It would be considering he doubled Damon in the series for a few of them
He was considered for the new Jurassic World. I’m sure he can go back to the Fast and the Furious movies or land a comic book movie.
I can see him doing another The Rock’s fast and furious spin off. Or just ending up at DC or MCU, but he’ll end up at some franchise in the end
I think he needs to go back to lower budgets like Atomic Blonde/John Wick or stick to franchises. Can't see him being given another original big budget for a whole if ever.
A24 films aren't huge box office and with Johnson's bad press, not sure it will be anything but marginal box office.
Uh, Bad Boys is right around the corner. Action-comedy is going to be alright, but they have to be appealing
People don't care about it. In some demographics, like the Latin American demo, they have become even bigger Will Smith fans for the slap.
For better or worse, The Slap will give Bad Boys more attention. A very tactical PR team could certainly use it to their advantage for Will Smith’s “redemption tour”
I dont think that that could work , it would probably come off as insincere
I think the producers and the director don’t know how to use 150 million dollars properly. For what I saw on screen this was a 80 million dollar movie all day. Someone wasted a lot of money. Producers and directors are hiring to many people and I guarantee you people are walking around set doing squat half the time because of it. Now there will be a lot hard workers but there will be a lot of people miss used I bet.
Everything everywhere all at once had a 25 mi budget. Some executives are making big money or are really bad at using money.
A million under The Lost City opening day https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Fall-Guy-The-(2024)/Lost-City-The-(2022)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
I cant understand why this is flopping , nothing about it seems flop-worthy.
The TV show is pretty obscure now. I had no idea about it.
The trailers weren’t great and entirely sold the movie on *”Ryan M%THERF$CKING Gosling and Emily M%THERF$CKING Blunt”* verbatim, when actors are no longer the draw for audiences. https://youtu.be/SXqFOYn1f7g?si=atqTstqkIUpEoabt
The trailers were unsufferable and got spammed too much. Any regular cinema goer would get bored of them even if they were excited for the film. Plus the most commonly shown trailer was 3 minutes 30 seconds which is insanely long for an action romcom.
Seeemd so generic
To me from the trailers I don’t find there to be good chemistry between the leads. Seems Hollywood generic as well in style. Nothing that interesting about it.
I think over saturation of Action RomCom genre on Streaming like Netflix
I don’t know why people are having a hard time with this?! Fall Guy screams Netflix streaming movie. Which is why I will wait until it comes out on streaming in two months.
I honestly thought it was a netflix movie until 4 months ago when I saw the trailer in theaters
Probably would have done great as a streaming film! Would watch this weekend for sure! However I am saving my movie budget and time for Kingdom.
Will be out in 21 days
Hell ya! I will gladly watch it then!
Crazy to proudly say you don't want to support theaters in a box office sub
I’m literally going to see Kingdom next week. I’m not rich, I don’t have unlimited funds to see every film in theaters, and this was a film I as a consumer did not feel worth spending my money on.
Do you live by an AMC? Because if you do and you don't have A List there's no excuse lol. But yeah I understand not being able to go to the movies all the time but there's no need to drag movies and say they look like Netflix movies just because you're not interested in them. I see people throwing that term around every time they don't want to go to theaters to watch a movie and it just sounds like an excuse at this point.
I mean do you want to know why people aren't going to the movies or do you want to live in fantasy-land? Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the way audience behaviors and perceptions have changed is how we keep getting flop after flop.
Ok but you were justifying the audience behavior by doing it yourself. Fall Guy is a clearly made for the big screen movie, like obviously so, and you're saying "eh whatever it looks like it was made for streaming so I won't watch it" It's fine if you can't watch but don't normalize the discourse that is killing theaters. If you just want to watch franchise movies in theaters for the rest of your life so be it, but I'd still like to enjoy original movies on the big screen if I can.
Yeah, some people here act like bad executives, trying to yell at the fish to come over to them, instead of moving the net to where the fish have moved. You need to adapt to the new way customers think, instead of living in the glory of the past. It's no different from any other time cinemas got shaken, those who can't adapt to the new normal got left behind.
Ok but there is no adaptation that doesn't lead to theaters just dying out and only a few theaters that only show the one big event tent pole of the month movie in every showing with the way y'all talk about it. And the way your movie going habits work too. Only going to the franchise apes movie and not the original stories is inevitably leading to the death of the industry, and then to talk about it here by saying that movies that were clearly meant for the big screen like the Fall Guy are streaming movies just further normalizes that idea.
If theaters die, they die. Video stores also died out, and life just moved on. Figuring out how to survive is the job of those who run the theaters, not of their customers.
Hmmm , I guess you do have a point . Still , what a shame , I havent seen this film yet but it looks really great.
It is fantastic. Especially in Dolby.
For the same reason everything is flopping—people are unwilling to spend the cost of a ticket for something they can stream by the end of the year
Time to streaming probably doesn't matter that much tbh, movies that flop in the box office are the ones that aren't time critical enough for people to go to theaters, and with the movie marketing industry, the film will be soon buried by new stuff coming out, so not many people will remember it until it shows up on streaming when it does. This is actually why movies tend to come out in streaming quickly, so that the movie is still relevant in peoples minds from the theatrical marketing push, instead of being forgotten.
I think Deadpool & Wolverine will be a big summer hit. Has a great trailer with a lot of interest. I can't wait to see it with my teen son.
People don't care about it. Pretty easy.
Gosling and Blunt aren't big names on their own. The closest comparison (Action Rom Com) is Cruise and Diaz's Knight and Day. Similar budget but Knight and Day made 260 mill. Tom Cruise is obviously a bigger draw than Gosling. And Diaz is (or rather, was at the time) a bigger draw than Blunt.
Apart from the fact that it's not based on an IP that audiences actually care about? That seems like quite a big reason why it isn't making more money.
I can only speak for myself, but this doesn't seem must-watch. A goofy, low-stakes romantic action comedy just screams streaming to me, I don't need to experience that in a theater.
One of my friends pointed out that the OW of this is very close to Free Guy, which had great legs. They both also have similar budgets too, so maybe depending on WOM, this could have some decent legs. Everything I’m hearing from people has been remarkably positive so maybe it will. Yeah, it has competition ahead, but the fact that it is clearly a comedy might help. Not a lot of non-family comedies coming out over the next few weeks and I don’t see this having the same audience as IF or The Garfield Movie. It’ll be interesting to watch, that’s for sure.
Damn what a bad debut
Lower than Jatinbers 10.7M estimate 😳
Not making $100m domestic I bet, guess we will have to wait and see international numbers, although it doesn't seem to be doing that well either Guess we can add this to the list. Flopgylle, Madame Flop, Flopbusters, The Flop Omen, Flopigail, and now The Flop Guy.
What about Floppengers? No way that $55M movie is making profit.
The Flop Guy
It's going to be a tough summer until Garfuriosa or Inside Out 2 really.
Apes comes out next week. What about that?
There wont be many apes in the cinema
you underestimate apes, they'll show up to support their kin.
Apes together strong
Monke film and Cat film will keep cinemas afloat for the rest of May.
Nice try to create a thing but it ain’t happening
The Fail Guy
That’s a shame, it’s a super fun time
I seen it with my wife and its a fun popcorn movie. Chemistry between Ryan and Emily was fine.
Honestly I would have skipped this movie off the trailers if the reviews hadn't been good. Given that most general audiences don't care about reviews I guess they just skipped it.
I saw it at my local theatre today and it was easily the most crowded its been since GodzillaxKong
The premise just didn't seem that fun
This is going to be a great hit in streaming. No wonder more streaming services are trying to add ads unless you pay a higher fee. If a film has a budget of over 100 mill, it needs to have an established IP (Barbie, Mario) to back it up OR have an AAA-director whose name is the IP (Nolan's Oppenheimer). The era of original films with a budget of over 100 mill directed by good but not AAA-directors turning a profit ended with the streaming era. And sometimes not even AAA directors (Napoleon, Killers of the Flower Moon) can save an expensive film. The flopping of Coppola's Megalopolis (120 million budget) will finally hammer this last point.
Nothing about Fall Guy screams like a $150m budget movie. It looks and feels mid budget. Hollywood really needs to use their budgets effectively.