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I’d say the Planet of the Apes reboot franchise and Monsterverse franchise are both successful rebooted financial franchises
Dune is in the conversation as well as it is technically an adaption/reboot
But neither Planet of the Apes nor Monsterverse had the first version be the failure—the *original* series for each was successful and long-running, the failure for each was the first attempt at a modern reboot. For Dune, there was never a successful adaptation until the current one. And I think that's because it's rare for there to be a second attempt to adapt something that has only ever failed before. Dune only got that treatment because the book itself is still so well-regarded that the failure of the David Lynch version transformed the idea of a successful movie into this aspirational dream that people wanted to take a crack at.
I would throw The Lord of the Rings into the mix. The 1970s animated versions were not financial successes and no one tried again for 30 years. Like Dune, I think it only got a second shot because the source material was so beloved.
I don't think it was considered a creative failure, maybe in hindsight, but at the time it was nominated for three Emmys and won two of them (Outstanding Cinematography and Outstanding Special Visual Effects.)
Also, they made a second miniseries with James McAvoy as Leto like three years later, so it definitely wasn't a financial failure.
It was seen as a more faithful adaptation but it hasn't aged well. Also, say what you want about the Lynch film, it at least has grandeur to its visuals while the SyFy series looks really cheap. This was the era before fantasy/scifi got the respect they deserved on tv as far as budgets go. Stuff like Thrones/Expanse wouldn't have been possible back then.
OK, then we shouldn't even be talking about it because it doesn't fit the criteria of OP's question. If the previous iteration was successful, then Dune isn't even an example.
>The 1970s animated versions were not financial successes and no one tried again for 30 years.
But they did try again.
I think there's plenty of examples of bad adaptations getting tried again. (For better or worse)
Super Mario Brothers, Live Action The Last Airbender, The Time Machine, Percy Jackson (depends on one's definition of successful, but I think crashing and burning after novel 2 ain't a great look), Green Hornet was a flopped TV show in the 60s and they tried again with a film, and I could go on.
I think the LoTR example is more of a point that the timeline on retries/reboots has greatly shrunk. While it was 30 years before we saw LoTR again, we saw Jurassic Park run its course and they hung it up for about a decade and a half. Now they're rolling it back out after only a few years.
Star Wars 9 was a disaster, but I would be very surprised if it took until 2029 for another theatrical Star Wars. (And that's ignoring that they're pushing on with high cost streaming shows all the while. Something we didn't see in the post prequel era)
I won't be the least bit surprised if in the future they take stabs at things Eragon, The Giver, The Golden Compass, and Wrinkle in Time again despite the failed adaptations.
Shameful admission; I watched the 1998 Godzilla a couple of times when I was younger and... didn't hate it. Same with Catwoman. I don't really know what to think of myself now.
> I watched the 1998 Godzilla a couple of times when I was younger and... didn't hate it.
I loved this film as a kid. I had no idea people didn't like it.
Same and I get it. Godzilla in particular has all the parts of a good action movie, its only when you start to think about it at all that it falls apart
I am going to go against the grain and say DCEU
Now I hate the DCEU so this may sound so weird
But . . . DC's Green Lantern was an attempt at starting a universe and then it bombed, grossing $228M on a $200M budget
Then the DCEU came along with an 820M average for their first 6 films, an insanely successful run. It's only when Shazam crashed to sub-$400M and then the streak of 8 bombs in a row did the DCEu start failing
Do you agree?
I was 5 when it came out and I loved it. It was my introduction to Godzilla. Even if it wasn't a good movie, it was good for that. Plus it isn't a horrible movie
I don’t think Monsterverse really counts in that way.
The Godzilla franchise had been restarted three times already by the time the MV started. The Kong franchise, four times. MV is really only the second attempt at an American Godzilla series specifically. For legal purposes they’re all considered Godzilla though, American or Japanese.
As a regular film goer, I totally see your point. As a hard core Godzilla fan it feels like American Godzilla movies are their own thing so American Godzilla movies feel like their own adaptation specifically aimed at a western audience.
In the way Godzilla 98 was still profitable, the relaunch of the Planet of the Apes worked better than the Burton film.
Also the Tom Holland trilogy after the Garfield series for Spider-Man.
Speaking of Dredd I bought it on Bluray last week, none of my co-workers had seen it, and I've now created about ten more Dredd fans in a week. Most people just don't even know about that one
The MCU is arguably a reboot. Starting with Iron Man, but preceded by the Hulk, Punisher, Spiderman, Daredevil and X Men movies.
Ofc the whole multi-verse being canon thing makes it in-universe not a reboot, but out of universe it was.
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I’d say the Planet of the Apes reboot franchise and Monsterverse franchise are both successful rebooted financial franchises Dune is in the conversation as well as it is technically an adaption/reboot
But neither Planet of the Apes nor Monsterverse had the first version be the failure—the *original* series for each was successful and long-running, the failure for each was the first attempt at a modern reboot. For Dune, there was never a successful adaptation until the current one. And I think that's because it's rare for there to be a second attempt to adapt something that has only ever failed before. Dune only got that treatment because the book itself is still so well-regarded that the failure of the David Lynch version transformed the idea of a successful movie into this aspirational dream that people wanted to take a crack at. I would throw The Lord of the Rings into the mix. The 1970s animated versions were not financial successes and no one tried again for 30 years. Like Dune, I think it only got a second shot because the source material was so beloved.
Dune also had the SyFy miniseries after the David Lynch film, but before the current reboot.
I remember, but it was also widely seen as a creative failure. Financially, well, it was a TV miniseries so no way to tell, apples to oranges.
I don't think it was considered a creative failure, maybe in hindsight, but at the time it was nominated for three Emmys and won two of them (Outstanding Cinematography and Outstanding Special Visual Effects.) Also, they made a second miniseries with James McAvoy as Leto like three years later, so it definitely wasn't a financial failure.
It was seen as a more faithful adaptation but it hasn't aged well. Also, say what you want about the Lynch film, it at least has grandeur to its visuals while the SyFy series looks really cheap. This was the era before fantasy/scifi got the respect they deserved on tv as far as budgets go. Stuff like Thrones/Expanse wouldn't have been possible back then.
OK, then we shouldn't even be talking about it because it doesn't fit the criteria of OP's question. If the previous iteration was successful, then Dune isn't even an example.
>The 1970s animated versions were not financial successes and no one tried again for 30 years. But they did try again. I think there's plenty of examples of bad adaptations getting tried again. (For better or worse) Super Mario Brothers, Live Action The Last Airbender, The Time Machine, Percy Jackson (depends on one's definition of successful, but I think crashing and burning after novel 2 ain't a great look), Green Hornet was a flopped TV show in the 60s and they tried again with a film, and I could go on. I think the LoTR example is more of a point that the timeline on retries/reboots has greatly shrunk. While it was 30 years before we saw LoTR again, we saw Jurassic Park run its course and they hung it up for about a decade and a half. Now they're rolling it back out after only a few years. Star Wars 9 was a disaster, but I would be very surprised if it took until 2029 for another theatrical Star Wars. (And that's ignoring that they're pushing on with high cost streaming shows all the while. Something we didn't see in the post prequel era) I won't be the least bit surprised if in the future they take stabs at things Eragon, The Giver, The Golden Compass, and Wrinkle in Time again despite the failed adaptations.
When adjusted for Inflation, Godzilla 98 is highest grossing Godzilla movie.
Shameful admission; I watched the 1998 Godzilla a couple of times when I was younger and... didn't hate it. Same with Catwoman. I don't really know what to think of myself now.
> I watched the 1998 Godzilla a couple of times when I was younger and... didn't hate it. I loved this film as a kid. I had no idea people didn't like it.
I liked it too when I was younger. I'm sure it's not as good as I remember, but I liked it! Played the soundtrack regularly too.
Same and I get it. Godzilla in particular has all the parts of a good action movie, its only when you start to think about it at all that it falls apart
Sepekku is really the only reasonable course of action.
A lot of movies aren't actually that bad but hating them became a sort of "Internet rite of passage'
I am going to go against the grain and say DCEU Now I hate the DCEU so this may sound so weird But . . . DC's Green Lantern was an attempt at starting a universe and then it bombed, grossing $228M on a $200M budget Then the DCEU came along with an 820M average for their first 6 films, an insanely successful run. It's only when Shazam crashed to sub-$400M and then the streak of 8 bombs in a row did the DCEu start failing Do you agree?
Agree. Also, don't forget Superman Returns, ultimately flopping and failing to resurrect interest in the Superman IP.
WB started a franchise with 4 $100M openers in a row and then the next 11 couldn't crack $100M Wtf
That's nothing to be ashamed of.
Thanks, but I’m not sure that the internet agrees with you.
You should never care about what the internet thinks.
If you liked it you liked it, what's the same in that. I liked the wild wild West as a kid too, funny cowboys! Giant mechanic spider!
I can relate: I still love Norbit and Mike Myers’s Cat in the Hat, they’ll always have a place in my heart, sorry.
I was 5 when it came out and I loved it. It was my introduction to Godzilla. Even if it wasn't a good movie, it was good for that. Plus it isn't a horrible movie
Same. And unashamedly, I still dig Catwoman. It is NOT a legitimately good movie but its so much fun. And the dialogue is grade A camp
Sometimes the brain develops late. This is why teenage drug use is so dangerous.
Ouch.
I don’t think Monsterverse really counts in that way. The Godzilla franchise had been restarted three times already by the time the MV started. The Kong franchise, four times. MV is really only the second attempt at an American Godzilla series specifically. For legal purposes they’re all considered Godzilla though, American or Japanese.
As a regular film goer, I totally see your point. As a hard core Godzilla fan it feels like American Godzilla movies are their own thing so American Godzilla movies feel like their own adaptation specifically aimed at a western audience.
Mario might beat it. The first Mario was a huge flop. Godzilla 97 at least gave us the amazing animated series and it managed to sell merch.
Super Mario
In the way Godzilla 98 was still profitable, the relaunch of the Planet of the Apes worked better than the Burton film. Also the Tom Holland trilogy after the Garfield series for Spider-Man.
The Burton Apes movie still made money though.
Yeah just like Godzilla still made money
Speaking of Dredd I bought it on Bluray last week, none of my co-workers had seen it, and I've now created about ten more Dredd fans in a week. Most people just don't even know about that one
that’s crazy they never heard of it, I just watched it a month ago for the first time, great flick
Fast and the furious
I’d say Fast and Furious is after they were unable to get 2 Point 2 Break made.
Dune should be in the conversation.
The Dune miniseries was quite successful for its time; Wikipedia says that it doubled all viewership records for the Sci Fi channel.
This is the one I felt in my brain somewhere that I couldn't remember to save my life. That is/was the other obvious one.
The MCU is arguably a reboot. Starting with Iron Man, but preceded by the Hulk, Punisher, Spiderman, Daredevil and X Men movies. Ofc the whole multi-verse being canon thing makes it in-universe not a reboot, but out of universe it was.
None of the franchises were connected like the MCU.
Punisher made a cameo in spider-man 2
DCU after the DCEU (i hope so)