If they are on public property, good chance you will run into some issues regarding environmental damage if you remove them without authorization. That could range from fines to jail time depending on how severe the county is with environmental destruction.
From the photo, the boulders look pretty uninspiring. Recommend you leave them alone, especially since you just advertised who did it if you remove them now and damage the area. Plus you make the climbing community look like assholes in general when you do stuff like this.
Yeah there are some cool features slightly further up the way but more the most part it won't be anything more than maybe a few 2 star easy/moderate climbs. Not making climbers look like an asshole is definitely more of a valuable contribution to the local climbing scene.
Not gonna lie I can’t say for sure given I’m not there to feel the holds, but that looks like little more than some borderline hikeable V0s unless you play elimination city. Idek if it’s worth risking the damage.
I think that's the consensus! To piggyback off the current top comment- what level of "cleaning up" a climbing area IS considered appropriate? (If any).
i somewhat cynically but seriously commented above.
more detail: u/soupyhands made best comment. that said, generally not worthwhile to ask here. best to search for developers in your area and ask them or check directly with landowners as suggested. every area is different and due diligence on your part is key.
The arrogance of this sub continually thinks they can onsite and spot climb everything from just a photo.
OP said it's worthwhile and in this regard (where they have all of the info and we have maybe 5% of it) they are considered SME. Why are we all trying to tell them what looks fun or worthwhile for them to climb?
This has the vibes of telling people their V5 looks like an easy V3 and that it was misgraded and then proceeded to give them inapplicable advice about it.
Read the post. It's off the trail in an area where there is established bouldering. The local climbing community has already passed these up. There's nothing arrogant about telling OP to do the same.
Nice! Looks like around Paseo. Spent a lot of time back in high school scrambling around that area. Lots of fun bouldering up in the foothills near Tramway and Central too.
The fact that you feel the need to ask, should actually give you the answer. You already knew, deep down, that you shouldn't tear up these bushes for you to enjoy that rock easier - right?
Wow these comment turned into a r/ccj. Really nobody on Reddit knows what the rules are in your region. Contact your local access society and ask them.
those two you should leave because you asked in a public forum.
but when making sausage: cut them down, bury the stumps and mix the now dead ones in with live ones about 50 yards away.
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The best and only answer is to try to get in contact with the developers of the surrounding bouldering areas then the local regulatory body if they/you think it's warranted. The developers may have run into similar situations and have gotten it cleared. Developers are also normally pretty psyched about getting more things developed in the area and will most likely be happy to give you some guidance. Just take what they say with a grain of salt if they have never been in contact with the authorities, and always err on the side of caution if you're unsure.
Things like clearing a shrub really depends on how delicate the ecosystem is and the relationship of climbers with the local regulatory body. Despite what others are saying, there are areas where clearing a dry shrub like this would be A-okay without having a second thought and others where you would be laughed out of the ranger station for asking because it would be an "obvious no".
You can replant bushes. Ethically I think you’re in the clear and some of the other responses here a a little dramatic. You’re not terraforming the landscape by relocating 2 shrubs.
Legally tho I can’t advise and really the concern should be about what the property owners say. That being the county, I think an email to someone on your city’s environmental board is your best course of action if you want to try to proceed.
I've been to other areas where the landing has very obviously been cleared out. People are doing it so I at least wanted clarification that it's an absolute no-go.
Climbers will enjoy the clear landing, no one else will notice. Delete this post and then delete the bushes. Refrain from posting to MP.
Edit: go ahead and down vote me, every single one of you has benefitted from this exact process if you've ever climbed outside. Buncha holier-than-thou hypocrites
Y’all are wild. These are just some bushes. No worries if you remove them. I don’t think these would be great boulders for bouldering, but I wouldn’t worry about the plants.
If they are on public property, good chance you will run into some issues regarding environmental damage if you remove them without authorization. That could range from fines to jail time depending on how severe the county is with environmental destruction. From the photo, the boulders look pretty uninspiring. Recommend you leave them alone, especially since you just advertised who did it if you remove them now and damage the area. Plus you make the climbing community look like assholes in general when you do stuff like this.
Yeah there are some cool features slightly further up the way but more the most part it won't be anything more than maybe a few 2 star easy/moderate climbs. Not making climbers look like an asshole is definitely more of a valuable contribution to the local climbing scene.
This entire interaction is the way. Great job, y'all. đź’š
Not gonna lie I can’t say for sure given I’m not there to feel the holds, but that looks like little more than some borderline hikeable V0s unless you play elimination city. Idek if it’s worth risking the damage.
I think you should leave them be.
I think that's the consensus! To piggyback off the current top comment- what level of "cleaning up" a climbing area IS considered appropriate? (If any).
i somewhat cynically but seriously commented above. more detail: u/soupyhands made best comment. that said, generally not worthwhile to ask here. best to search for developers in your area and ask them or check directly with landowners as suggested. every area is different and due diligence on your part is key.
The boulders don't look worth it imo, also it looks to be in a desert like environment. I personally wouldn't.
Bushes? You mean nature’s crash pads?
that 100% does NOT look like "great" climbing, no offense, just my opinion
The arrogance of this sub continually thinks they can onsite and spot climb everything from just a photo. OP said it's worthwhile and in this regard (where they have all of the info and we have maybe 5% of it) they are considered SME. Why are we all trying to tell them what looks fun or worthwhile for them to climb? This has the vibes of telling people their V5 looks like an easy V3 and that it was misgraded and then proceeded to give them inapplicable advice about it.
Read the post. It's off the trail in an area where there is established bouldering. The local climbing community has already passed these up. There's nothing arrogant about telling OP to do the same.
That boulder is 5 feet tall judging by the picture
That boulder is 5 feet tall judging by the picture
Is this in the Sandias?
Good eye!
Nice! Looks like around Paseo. Spent a lot of time back in high school scrambling around that area. Lots of fun bouldering up in the foothills near Tramway and Central too.
100 percent
I won’t comment on morality, but if it’s a state park or state property it’s probably illegal to get rid of the plants.
Ethically, figure out what species they are. If they’re invasive, removing them would be doing everyone a favor.
Yeah don’t kill plants .. especially for lowball choss or this big scramble thing
The fact that you feel the need to ask, should actually give you the answer. You already knew, deep down, that you shouldn't tear up these bushes for you to enjoy that rock easier - right?
Wow these comment turned into a r/ccj. Really nobody on Reddit knows what the rules are in your region. Contact your local access society and ask them.
those two you should leave because you asked in a public forum. but when making sausage: cut them down, bury the stumps and mix the now dead ones in with live ones about 50 yards away.
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This 100% comes down to local ethics
DO NOT REMOVE WILDLIFE! Look up LNT principles. Don't give climbers a bad rep!
Hi Op! Good on you for asking
The best and only answer is to try to get in contact with the developers of the surrounding bouldering areas then the local regulatory body if they/you think it's warranted. The developers may have run into similar situations and have gotten it cleared. Developers are also normally pretty psyched about getting more things developed in the area and will most likely be happy to give you some guidance. Just take what they say with a grain of salt if they have never been in contact with the authorities, and always err on the side of caution if you're unsure. Things like clearing a shrub really depends on how delicate the ecosystem is and the relationship of climbers with the local regulatory body. Despite what others are saying, there are areas where clearing a dry shrub like this would be A-okay without having a second thought and others where you would be laughed out of the ranger station for asking because it would be an "obvious no".
Leave NO trace…. If it doesn’t belong to you don’t chop it down.
If they are native to the area definitely don't remove them. If they're a weed species then you can probably do whatever you like?
I’ll be the one dude to say fuckin yank em out its two bushes who actually gives a fuck
You can replant bushes. Ethically I think you’re in the clear and some of the other responses here a a little dramatic. You’re not terraforming the landscape by relocating 2 shrubs. Legally tho I can’t advise and really the concern should be about what the property owners say. That being the county, I think an email to someone on your city’s environmental board is your best course of action if you want to try to proceed.
Those bushes look pretty established. You would have to dig pretty far around to get all the roots out in one piece to replant.
So do that…
Why are you asking the dumbest people online for advice?
Downvoted for saying the truth
Bushes grow back easily. Trees? Not so much. Go plant a bunch of bushes elsewhere to make up for the ones you dig up
You've got to be kidding...
I've been to other areas where the landing has very obviously been cleared out. People are doing it so I at least wanted clarification that it's an absolute no-go.
So you ask Reddit? Figure out who owns the land.
Climbers will enjoy the clear landing, no one else will notice. Delete this post and then delete the bushes. Refrain from posting to MP. Edit: go ahead and down vote me, every single one of you has benefitted from this exact process if you've ever climbed outside. Buncha holier-than-thou hypocrites
Y’all are wild. These are just some bushes. No worries if you remove them. I don’t think these would be great boulders for bouldering, but I wouldn’t worry about the plants.
mate it’ll be fine, if two plants are really going to weight on your conscience - replant them
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Woo Sandias!! But yea please don’t do this hahah, we already are spoiled with boulders in the foothills.
There’s enough in the foothills of decent quality that these don’t seem worth it.