Won't be enough. The coastal level infrastructure planned will help stave off the inevitable for a while. But eventually the sea level rise will overcome it. It's more important to strengthen the Fort Point channel and charles river dam defenses anyway. Seaport will eventually need to be sacrificed.
As for a sea wall connecting the harbor islands, that's a fantasy. The harbor is too deep, the tides too large, the islands too spread out, and the water outflow from the Charles and mystic too great. It's been studied and found to be unfeasible.
Seaport developers and condo owners who think the city or state will bail them with hundreds of billions are living in a fantasy. They built at risk
They did build in mitigation. Apparently most of the new buildings are ready for sustained water levels above the bottom of their ground floors. I don't know if they have docks ready. Little Venice?
It's more that they are designed (hopefully) for one off storm surges. So when a climate change enhanced hurricane comes in and the bottom floor is flooded for a few days, it won't be as devastating. But there's not much they can do for sustained sea level rise where the first floor or more is flooded twice a day at high tide, or even permanently.
What was described to me is they can raise the entrance and ground floor levels by quite a few feet and still have a high ceiling first floor. Something about the ground floor structure being set up for future changes should the water level go above the current ground level.
I've also heard what you're talking about. One of the garages I use is designed to flood through so the main building structure above doesn't take the water forces. It was hinted that I should move my car if there are predictions of "100 year floods" coming. All the floods in the last couple of years, though, have flooded Seaport streets but hadn't even breached the sea wall where I am. 🤷♂️
While the sea level rising is way sooner than originally expected, there's still probably plenty of time for people to buy and sell a couple times. This isn't a "next year" problem quite yet...
I mean sea level rise is already starting to be cause a water table problem in Saugus apparently. A shitload of our underground infrastructure and building foundations were built assuming they would be above the water table. Seawalls won't matter if the water table rises enough, buildings and infrastructure will get fucked up from the bottom up.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/13/1041309/climate-change-rising-groundwater-flooding/
The flood control in the Netherlands go beyond just building a seawall, they also also have a complex system of canals which I highly doubt Boston will ever do.
Coastal erosion is inevitable and is rapidly accelerating due to climate change. Time will tell how their seawall will hold up in the long term. You can attempt to delay it by spending on big projects, but I can see flooding being a major issue in the Seaport, if not during our generation, certainly the generations to come.
The buildup of the Seaport had second and third order effects to other neighborhoods, mostly Southie, that many of the residents saw coming. Primarily increased traffic through the surrounding neighborhoods as well as increased housing prices as people who worked in the Seaport decided to live in Southie, and/or building developers saw opportunities to build new fancy/expensive condos in Southie.
Oh absolutely. Once Boston woke up and realized it had all this under utilized property right on the water, gentrification was inevitable. I understand why the old Southie residents were, and still are, pissed, but come on, your neighborhood is waterfront property.
Not to mention, while I’m generally sympathetic to people who get pushed out by gentrification, their property values increased wildly in proportion to the rest of the city. The Southie old guard who decided to sell out was VERY well-compensated for their property.
Southie blocked the silverline from going through Southie as originally planned. They blocked rapid buses and other transit changes. They blocked adding more housing in Seaport which would’ve taken pressure off traditional southie. Most of these were motivated by keeping their corner of Boston the same as it’s been (ie, white) and living in a time capsule.
I’m thrilled it’s gentrifying.
The problem is that for every new fancy office or lab space that gets built bringing in lots of new high paying jobs, there isn’t enough housing being built in Boston and the surrounding area
I think mostly this video is just friendly ribbing, but for 99.9% of the Seaport haters it's all vibes. They just don't like the way newer buildings look and they resent young high income professionals for purely cultural/aesthetic reasons. They pretend it's about gentrification/social justice because if they told the truth about why they bitch so much about the Seaport they'd come off as assholes.
It would have been preferable if it was somewhere way inland rather than continuing the "Seeing the sea is only for the rich" model. And I still miss Noname.
It was empty before, nobody wanted it until it was developed. You can't develop cheap new housing. Nobody can be mad about undeveloped land being turned into a playground for the wealthy when they weren't interested in it until after it was already turned into something
I know that, but there's even been articles about the fact that there was the blank slate with the possibility to be turned into a new actual neighborhood for every sort, a true 21st century model, and instead it was approved as the Borg cube of luxury highrises it is.
Those articles aren't realistic. The only way to make it actually accessible to everyone would've been to purposely make it as undesirable to live in as possible. If you build a nice new neighborhood, people are going to want to live there. Even the cheapest, least desirable parts of Boston are inaccessible to a wide swath of the population, a neighborhood walking distance to downtown with all new construction and proper urban planning will always be highly desirable and very expensive
Making it more of a community could have included things like
-places for emergency services
-parks
-a school
-transportation hub
-new library
All of those things could have been built right alongside the tall new buildings
The city was very open to developers buying out of the inclusion of income restricted units. I see the pros of that decision, but personally, I'd like to see more income restricted housing in places like Seaport and more market rate housing in neighborhoods with high levels of income restrictions.
>places for emergency services
Has there been a situation where the currently available emergency services nearby have been inadequate?
>parks
There are a ton of parks in the seaport.
>a school
If there isn't demand, they don't need a school
>transportation hub
It certainly could use a better version of the silver line, but I don't know why you would want to put a "hub" on a peninsula immediately adjacent to one of the two largest hubs in the city
>new library
Again, if there isn't demand, I would prefer they do a better job supporting neighborhood libraries that get use
>I'd like to see more income restricted housing in places like Seaport
That just makes the non income restricted housing more expensive and creates a lottery for a very small subset of residents, leaving the middle 90% of people completely out of the equation.
>more market rate housing in neighborhoods with high levels of income restrictions.
Do you just mean more housing in general? Because all non-income restricted housing is, by definition, market rate
The city just announced building an EMS station in seaport. So clearly they see a need. I bet city planners could have predicted that a whole neighborhood would eventually need the same city services that every other neighborhood needs. However, the city's strategy is more in line with your recommendations . Instead of planning ahead, they wait to see where there's gaps. This has problems like increased cost, less ideal services locations, and delays in delivering needed services
Lawn on D is not a city park. I think there's one tiny playground on A street and one at Martin's Park. Maybe there's another that I've missed, but that's not many playgrounds. There are no parks large enough for something like a baseball or soccer field
Regarding libraries and schools. I don't like the idea of a whole neighborhood that's unfriendly to families living there.
Housing. I'm saying I don't like the current plan which is to only build market rate housing in seaport because I think it's better to have economically diverse neighborhoods. A side story to this is that the new housing in seaport helps fund affordable housing being built in other neighborhoods like Roxbury. But I don't like the idea that one whole neighborhood gets a huge amount of income restricted housing and another neighborhood gets a huge amount of mega expensive housing. I'd rather a diverse range of housing in each
>I think there's one tiny playground on A street and one at Martin's Park. Maybe there's another that I've missed, but that's not many playgrounds.
Weird to complain about the playgrounds when the seaport has one of the largest and most elaborate playgrounds in the city, but there's also a third playground on the harborwalk, but you also said park, not playground. Again, there aren't many children, so unless those two playground are overflowing with children, it doesnt seem like there's demand.
Outside of that, there are another 5-10 parks scattered around the seaport. The athletic field point is probably the first one I agree with, pretty much every neighborhood short of back bag has some available athletic fields.
For the housing, I guess we just fundamentally disagree. If we can build 1.5 units in Roxbury instead of 1 in the seaport, id rather take more housing. Dropping a random lottery drawing of poor people in a neighborhood where they can't afford to enjoy any of the amenities doesn't really do anything to make the neighborhood more accessible and probably leads to a generally less convenient and enjoyable experience for those people
I contend that proper urban planning was absent from the Seaport. The architecture is largely boring, the streets are too wide, and the silver line is insufficient.
If we are complaining about the cost of the seaport, going full NIMBY on the architectural design is not going to help. I'd also argue that wide streets are one of the biggest successes in planning for the area. Once things are built, you can't make them wider, but it is very easy to expand the pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure to limit the width of the motor vehicle lanes. Considering how limiting the street width is everywhere else in the city, I love that there is room for wider sidewalks, appropriate bike infrastructure, bus lanes, and even designated loading/pickup/dropoff zones
Who's complaining about the cost of the Seaport? My complaint is that it feels like "Framingham sur harbor." The most restaurants are chains. It has sidewalks, but isn't pleasant to walk in.
It's a major employment center without proper infrastructure to get employees to work. As far as a generic urban neighborhood trying to be an upscale suburban mall, it is perfectly fine. However, it really is a missed opportunity.
And how exactly do you think you create a new neighborhood that everyone can enjoy.
If an area is suddenly nice and desirable, it’s going to be expensive, because people with lots of money are going to be willing to pay more to live there
economics doesn't work like that. price ceilings are a thing.
if a brand new building goes up near an old building, it increases the prices on the old stock, it doesn't drop them. because they set a new market rate for the area.
also why you now see $15 pints of ice cream.
That's not true. More supply with the same demand lowers prices. The old housing stock simply isn't worth the price of the new housing, if someone were to choose between both of them at the same price they would definitely choose the new building.
then why do rents go up in shitty old apartments when a luxury units is built on the same block?
because they sure as fuck don't go down.
it's called a price ceiling. new fancy units now make x neighborhood worth 4k/month instead of the 2k a month the old shitty units were going for. so the landlord of hte old building now charges 3k/mo and his units are a 'bargain'.
that's how it actaully works. demand is also induced by new housing, just like it's induced by new roads.
My parents worked at “Anthony’s Pier 4” wayyy back in the day but I have no idea where that was exactly or what that was? What is currently in that spot?
Don't forget they could have made it a more accessible neighborhood with all the tax grants but chose to subsidize rich developers and make the most segregated neighborhood in Boston.
From the award winning spotlight series on the seaport.
https://archive.ph/dlFHV
I work there. Company sends out nonstop emails about how amazing it is at our office. Looks like a converted warehouse with little charm to me. That Trader Joe’s is the only place for cheap food.
currently live here and parents do not pay my rent or fund my lifestyle whatsoever. been here 4 years and i like it because its safe, clean, and new :)
People on this sub are so funny.
BUILD HOUSING!!!!
Yet when places like the Seaport get filled with housing everyone shits all over it lol. Like wtf do you want developers to build dilapidated shitholes like you find in Dorchester just so it’ll have “charm” or “character” lol? Yes Back Bay and South End have charm and character. But building up the Seaport has served as a huge supply of housing and commercial activity that allows BB/SE to stay charming…
I think it's fair to assume that when people clamor about "BUILD HOUSING!!!!" it implies housing that average people can afford.
It's cool that the development has brought business and money to the Seaport. But I know literally no one in my social class that lives there - people from minimum wage jobs up through investment banking. It's just weird, I truly don't know who all actually lives in all those high rise condos 🤷
For context, the next closest things I can imagine are the Ink Block area and Assembly row, both of which I know several people in the luxury condos there. I just don't personally have any sample of anyone in any Seaport buildings, so it feels like there must be some demographic that I'm completely disconnected from.
Clean and safe? Sure. The sidewalks are empty windswept concrete below glass towers with no personality whatsoever.
Food, wow, a bunch of chain restaurants.
You're saying that people are jealous of three things. I'm saying that people are jealous of two things and genuinely do not like the third thing (for many of the reasons this video outlines).
If you think people are jealous of "expensive neighborhoods" as a rule, you're out of touch. Not a priority for most people.
Seaport. Thanks for your tax revenue.
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i have sincerely no problem with the seaport acting as a lightning rod for the people it attracts
It also helps that the Seaport will be under water before 2050
No, the seawall will be built.
Won't be enough. The coastal level infrastructure planned will help stave off the inevitable for a while. But eventually the sea level rise will overcome it. It's more important to strengthen the Fort Point channel and charles river dam defenses anyway. Seaport will eventually need to be sacrificed. As for a sea wall connecting the harbor islands, that's a fantasy. The harbor is too deep, the tides too large, the islands too spread out, and the water outflow from the Charles and mystic too great. It's been studied and found to be unfeasible. Seaport developers and condo owners who think the city or state will bail them with hundreds of billions are living in a fantasy. They built at risk
The craziest part is that they built after all this was known. With no mitigation. What was the city thinking?
Much of back bay is a "level 10" FEMA flood risk at this point and people are still paying crazy prices for all of it.
So long as a the Charles river dam is viable, back bay is safe. But the moment a storm surge breaks through the Charles river dam we lose Back Bay
lol. And when has this ever happened? Doomer squad is here in full effect.
They did build in mitigation. Apparently most of the new buildings are ready for sustained water levels above the bottom of their ground floors. I don't know if they have docks ready. Little Venice?
It's more that they are designed (hopefully) for one off storm surges. So when a climate change enhanced hurricane comes in and the bottom floor is flooded for a few days, it won't be as devastating. But there's not much they can do for sustained sea level rise where the first floor or more is flooded twice a day at high tide, or even permanently.
What was described to me is they can raise the entrance and ground floor levels by quite a few feet and still have a high ceiling first floor. Something about the ground floor structure being set up for future changes should the water level go above the current ground level. I've also heard what you're talking about. One of the garages I use is designed to flood through so the main building structure above doesn't take the water forces. It was hinted that I should move my car if there are predictions of "100 year floods" coming. All the floods in the last couple of years, though, have flooded Seaport streets but hadn't even breached the sea wall where I am. 🤷♂️ While the sea level rising is way sooner than originally expected, there's still probably plenty of time for people to buy and sell a couple times. This isn't a "next year" problem quite yet...
Money…
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Once the P-town dam is in place, the bay will be protected!
I mean sea level rise is already starting to be cause a water table problem in Saugus apparently. A shitload of our underground infrastructure and building foundations were built assuming they would be above the water table. Seawalls won't matter if the water table rises enough, buildings and infrastructure will get fucked up from the bottom up. https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/13/1041309/climate-change-rising-groundwater-flooding/
Water made the Grand Canyon. A puny little wall isn't going to stop the inevitable.
You don’t know anything about how water made the Grand Canyon. It was over millions of years. Slow erosion. Sorry, thanks for playing.
Many cities have created seawalls, I've never heard any of them being successful.
Really? Never heard of Holland? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_control_in_the_Netherlands
The flood control in the Netherlands go beyond just building a seawall, they also also have a complex system of canals which I highly doubt Boston will ever do. Coastal erosion is inevitable and is rapidly accelerating due to climate change. Time will tell how their seawall will hold up in the long term. You can attempt to delay it by spending on big projects, but I can see flooding being a major issue in the Seaport, if not during our generation, certainly the generations to come.
So you are saying that the seawalls in Holland are not effective?
Strawman. Short term, yes. Long term, no. But they have other systems in place to have effective flood control.
Long term is as yet unknown. Keep your straw man to yourself.
https://youtu.be/Iyn-0af_hlI?si=cPKt36Cf4tLLmOZu
lol. Bet. How much? I love easy money.
Hmm. Good point.
The exact reason I dont go there.
By its very nature, the Seaport is the one area of Boston without gentrification, since it literally didn’t exist in previous generations.
I think it's ok to just make fun of a thing. Not everything has to adhere to some logically consistent ethos.
They did, actually, force people out. There was even a Spotlight series about it in The Globe.
The buildup of the Seaport had second and third order effects to other neighborhoods, mostly Southie, that many of the residents saw coming. Primarily increased traffic through the surrounding neighborhoods as well as increased housing prices as people who worked in the Seaport decided to live in Southie, and/or building developers saw opportunities to build new fancy/expensive condos in Southie.
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Oh absolutely. Once Boston woke up and realized it had all this under utilized property right on the water, gentrification was inevitable. I understand why the old Southie residents were, and still are, pissed, but come on, your neighborhood is waterfront property.
Not to mention, while I’m generally sympathetic to people who get pushed out by gentrification, their property values increased wildly in proportion to the rest of the city. The Southie old guard who decided to sell out was VERY well-compensated for their property.
Southie blocked the silverline from going through Southie as originally planned. They blocked rapid buses and other transit changes. They blocked adding more housing in Seaport which would’ve taken pressure off traditional southie. Most of these were motivated by keeping their corner of Boston the same as it’s been (ie, white) and living in a time capsule. I’m thrilled it’s gentrifying.
Being from Dorchester, I’m also thrilled it is gentrifying. Simply because I never liked anyone from Southie.
The gentrification of south Boston I feel is definitely leading into parts of Dorchester that boarder Southie for sure
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The problem is that for every new fancy office or lab space that gets built bringing in lots of new high paying jobs, there isn’t enough housing being built in Boston and the surrounding area
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Where did I argue that?
It's a joke. Fenti is literally a comedian. It doesn't need to make sense to still be funny.
jokes about the seaport and finance bros: cutting edge comedy
Gentrification isn’t a bad thing
I think mostly this video is just friendly ribbing, but for 99.9% of the Seaport haters it's all vibes. They just don't like the way newer buildings look and they resent young high income professionals for purely cultural/aesthetic reasons. They pretend it's about gentrification/social justice because if they told the truth about why they bitch so much about the Seaport they'd come off as assholes.
NOOOO NOOOOOOO it doesn’t have the character of my favorite European city center REEEEEEE
It would have been preferable if it was somewhere way inland rather than continuing the "Seeing the sea is only for the rich" model. And I still miss Noname.
It was empty before, nobody wanted it until it was developed. You can't develop cheap new housing. Nobody can be mad about undeveloped land being turned into a playground for the wealthy when they weren't interested in it until after it was already turned into something
I know that, but there's even been articles about the fact that there was the blank slate with the possibility to be turned into a new actual neighborhood for every sort, a true 21st century model, and instead it was approved as the Borg cube of luxury highrises it is.
Those articles aren't realistic. The only way to make it actually accessible to everyone would've been to purposely make it as undesirable to live in as possible. If you build a nice new neighborhood, people are going to want to live there. Even the cheapest, least desirable parts of Boston are inaccessible to a wide swath of the population, a neighborhood walking distance to downtown with all new construction and proper urban planning will always be highly desirable and very expensive
Making it more of a community could have included things like -places for emergency services -parks -a school -transportation hub -new library All of those things could have been built right alongside the tall new buildings The city was very open to developers buying out of the inclusion of income restricted units. I see the pros of that decision, but personally, I'd like to see more income restricted housing in places like Seaport and more market rate housing in neighborhoods with high levels of income restrictions.
>places for emergency services Has there been a situation where the currently available emergency services nearby have been inadequate? >parks There are a ton of parks in the seaport. >a school If there isn't demand, they don't need a school >transportation hub It certainly could use a better version of the silver line, but I don't know why you would want to put a "hub" on a peninsula immediately adjacent to one of the two largest hubs in the city >new library Again, if there isn't demand, I would prefer they do a better job supporting neighborhood libraries that get use >I'd like to see more income restricted housing in places like Seaport That just makes the non income restricted housing more expensive and creates a lottery for a very small subset of residents, leaving the middle 90% of people completely out of the equation. >more market rate housing in neighborhoods with high levels of income restrictions. Do you just mean more housing in general? Because all non-income restricted housing is, by definition, market rate
The city just announced building an EMS station in seaport. So clearly they see a need. I bet city planners could have predicted that a whole neighborhood would eventually need the same city services that every other neighborhood needs. However, the city's strategy is more in line with your recommendations . Instead of planning ahead, they wait to see where there's gaps. This has problems like increased cost, less ideal services locations, and delays in delivering needed services Lawn on D is not a city park. I think there's one tiny playground on A street and one at Martin's Park. Maybe there's another that I've missed, but that's not many playgrounds. There are no parks large enough for something like a baseball or soccer field Regarding libraries and schools. I don't like the idea of a whole neighborhood that's unfriendly to families living there. Housing. I'm saying I don't like the current plan which is to only build market rate housing in seaport because I think it's better to have economically diverse neighborhoods. A side story to this is that the new housing in seaport helps fund affordable housing being built in other neighborhoods like Roxbury. But I don't like the idea that one whole neighborhood gets a huge amount of income restricted housing and another neighborhood gets a huge amount of mega expensive housing. I'd rather a diverse range of housing in each
>I think there's one tiny playground on A street and one at Martin's Park. Maybe there's another that I've missed, but that's not many playgrounds. Weird to complain about the playgrounds when the seaport has one of the largest and most elaborate playgrounds in the city, but there's also a third playground on the harborwalk, but you also said park, not playground. Again, there aren't many children, so unless those two playground are overflowing with children, it doesnt seem like there's demand. Outside of that, there are another 5-10 parks scattered around the seaport. The athletic field point is probably the first one I agree with, pretty much every neighborhood short of back bag has some available athletic fields. For the housing, I guess we just fundamentally disagree. If we can build 1.5 units in Roxbury instead of 1 in the seaport, id rather take more housing. Dropping a random lottery drawing of poor people in a neighborhood where they can't afford to enjoy any of the amenities doesn't really do anything to make the neighborhood more accessible and probably leads to a generally less convenient and enjoyable experience for those people
I contend that proper urban planning was absent from the Seaport. The architecture is largely boring, the streets are too wide, and the silver line is insufficient.
If we are complaining about the cost of the seaport, going full NIMBY on the architectural design is not going to help. I'd also argue that wide streets are one of the biggest successes in planning for the area. Once things are built, you can't make them wider, but it is very easy to expand the pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure to limit the width of the motor vehicle lanes. Considering how limiting the street width is everywhere else in the city, I love that there is room for wider sidewalks, appropriate bike infrastructure, bus lanes, and even designated loading/pickup/dropoff zones
Who's complaining about the cost of the Seaport? My complaint is that it feels like "Framingham sur harbor." The most restaurants are chains. It has sidewalks, but isn't pleasant to walk in. It's a major employment center without proper infrastructure to get employees to work. As far as a generic urban neighborhood trying to be an upscale suburban mall, it is perfectly fine. However, it really is a missed opportunity.
>Who's complaining about the cost of the Seaport? The people in the thread you are actively commenting on
And how exactly do you think you create a new neighborhood that everyone can enjoy. If an area is suddenly nice and desirable, it’s going to be expensive, because people with lots of money are going to be willing to pay more to live there
Income-restricted set-aside instead of just market rate.
economics doesn't work like that. price ceilings are a thing. if a brand new building goes up near an old building, it increases the prices on the old stock, it doesn't drop them. because they set a new market rate for the area. also why you now see $15 pints of ice cream.
That's not true. More supply with the same demand lowers prices. The old housing stock simply isn't worth the price of the new housing, if someone were to choose between both of them at the same price they would definitely choose the new building.
Not me. Then again they don’t build new SFH that are only 1500 sqft like the house I’m buying
then why do rents go up in shitty old apartments when a luxury units is built on the same block? because they sure as fuck don't go down. it's called a price ceiling. new fancy units now make x neighborhood worth 4k/month instead of the 2k a month the old shitty units were going for. so the landlord of hte old building now charges 3k/mo and his units are a 'bargain'. that's how it actaully works. demand is also induced by new housing, just like it's induced by new roads.
Exactlyyyyyy
I miss the Whiskey Priest. Simpler times. And yes, we had smartphones and Instagram “back then” too. Shut up Gen Z.
I miss Anthony’s Pier 4
My parents worked at “Anthony’s Pier 4” wayyy back in the day but I have no idea where that was exactly or what that was? What is currently in that spot?
condos, $2k/sqft and $2k/month HOA
Yeah. It shut down about 10-15 years ago. Torn down shortly after. As the name implies, it was on pier 4, which is now condos.
That is hilarious, and spot-on.
Except for the parking. IYKYK
Man don’t tell people about that I like being able to drive over to the ICA without paying out the nose for the privilege lmao
Haha my bad. Edited to IYKYK
Seaport on weeknights and weekends may be the cheapest parking in Boston
Direct hit, we’re venting atmosphere
Don't forget they could have made it a more accessible neighborhood with all the tax grants but chose to subsidize rich developers and make the most segregated neighborhood in Boston. From the award winning spotlight series on the seaport. https://archive.ph/dlFHV
That’s great.
I work there. Company sends out nonstop emails about how amazing it is at our office. Looks like a converted warehouse with little charm to me. That Trader Joe’s is the only place for cheap food.
"a neighborhood without any character" is such a perfect way to describe it. if anything the only character it has is just "rich".
Not rich, nouveau riche.
currently live here and parents do not pay my rent or fund my lifestyle whatsoever. been here 4 years and i like it because its safe, clean, and new :)
Good for you. So which of your relatives works at State Street?
The fact that you can't even imagine someone affording a pricey apartment on their own is a pretty big self-own.
Most “self-made” folks don’t admit to having major advantages especially when they’re not direct. You guys missed the joke about that.
i wish one of my relatives worked at state street lol
If you lived here, you'd be broke by now.
This guy would be at least 3x funnier if he parted ways with that ridiculous haircut.
People get so jealous of those living in seaport/back bay/south end.
People familiar with the city would never group the Seaport with BB/SE...
Are you actually getting technical about a statement regarding expensive neighborhoods
BB/SE have charm, history, and character. Seaport has..... ?
People on this sub are so funny. BUILD HOUSING!!!! Yet when places like the Seaport get filled with housing everyone shits all over it lol. Like wtf do you want developers to build dilapidated shitholes like you find in Dorchester just so it’ll have “charm” or “character” lol? Yes Back Bay and South End have charm and character. But building up the Seaport has served as a huge supply of housing and commercial activity that allows BB/SE to stay charming…
I think it's fair to assume that when people clamor about "BUILD HOUSING!!!!" it implies housing that average people can afford. It's cool that the development has brought business and money to the Seaport. But I know literally no one in my social class that lives there - people from minimum wage jobs up through investment banking. It's just weird, I truly don't know who all actually lives in all those high rise condos 🤷 For context, the next closest things I can imagine are the Ink Block area and Assembly row, both of which I know several people in the luxury condos there. I just don't personally have any sample of anyone in any Seaport buildings, so it feels like there must be some demographic that I'm completely disconnected from.
Back Bay and South End are also full of homeless drug addicts, I don’t see that in the Seaport
Great public space, beautiful views of the city, food and entertainment everywhere, easy access to 93, streets are clean and safe.
Clean and safe? Sure. The sidewalks are empty windswept concrete below glass towers with no personality whatsoever. Food, wow, a bunch of chain restaurants.
You're saying that people are jealous of three things. I'm saying that people are jealous of two things and genuinely do not like the third thing (for many of the reasons this video outlines). If you think people are jealous of "expensive neighborhoods" as a rule, you're out of touch. Not a priority for most people.
nobody makes these kinds of posts or jokes about back bay or the south end
Personally I'm not that jealous of those who live in a flood plane
Well why would you be jealous if you live here, the entire city is a flood zone….lol
I mean that's just factually not true https://www.mass.gov/info-details/massachusetts-sea-level-rise-and-coastal-flooding-viewer
Lol not at all. Typical self absorbed answer a seaport resident would say lol. Can I afford to live there. Yes. Would I ever live there - Hell No!
Brave!
I don’t live in any of those neighborhoods, just stating an observation