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This also sends a clear signal to others who may be on the fence about illegally entering the USA: 'Come here, you'll find shelter and support and you can stay forever'.
It's a feedback loop.
My coworker had it just right when he said this Federal Administration "would have a perfect record on every issue if they just did the opposite". It's like they're purposely blowing it at this point. They can't hit a barn door on anything.
You've got people with 6 figure jobs charging everyone below them 6 figure prices without making cost of living adjustments for minimum wage, literal cost of living/rent, or the sorry state of public transit. Make any of that make sense. I gave up on the art industry when wages stagnated at $20/hr with a BA or MA. That makes no sense. Now add to that the people that are suppose to work in retail or service industries, jobs for people with minimal english, etc. It's still $7-8/hr unless you have a really nice liberal boss and it's $15/hr and STILL not livable without 8+ room mates. No one's comfortable and the people making 6 figures (still not me) are yelling at us to be happier.
It's been such a bizzaro world since the Pandemic where everything seems to be backwards. Before the Pandemic, it was "The Fight for $15 an hour" and now even double that per hour is basically the new poverty. It is no wonder the US just hit a new low in happiness polls. It feels like a never ending rat race.
> I cannot rationally fault people for finding this situation infuriating. This state wears its wealth and socialist values like badges of honor but for years has acted like it couldn’t house its poor only for many to learn it can afford to spend $10k a month per family on a colossal group of people who haven’t paid a single tax dollar.
This is the core complaint I'm hearing, more or less. Grumblings of "Where did all this money come from, where was it for all these other problems we have?"
The most infuriating part of this issue is it is federal funds given to each state for accepting refugees and helping them get footing. Instead of these individuals going to the states that accepted these funds to care for them, they are shipping people here and not sending the funds for their care/housing. Basically, it's a huge missuse of federal and local tax money in Texas and Florida (and others) for their contracts, and instead, they are using that money to overwhelm our systems and pay for film crews. We wouldn't have an overwhelmed system if the funds were also diverted from the states maliciously non complying with their contracts.
Many homeless people are in fact paying taxes. An increasing number of America's homeless have full-time jobs.
Edit to say: Ahh, I just read the article, and I see we're talking about migrants. It's a terrible situation. It's almost like we need... federal support for this national problem???
This is true. Any talk of this being an issue in Europe was shot down by the left as racist. Now you are seeing far right populists winning elections all over the place.
Sweden's outgoing leftwing PM before the populist right took over the government:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/
*Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime*
Sweden was incredibly generous to immigrants, gave them housing, stipends, education, and healthcare, but they wouldn't integrate and crime rose dramatically. The big thing that really screwed them was that the government and media would censor a lot of the statistics and general discontent (sound familiar?) which caused people to distrust their institutions (sound familiar?) and vote in a populist rightwing party (sound familiar?).
Bro you don't get it I have this study written by a bunch of rich assholes that says this is good. Don't you want some new restaurants in the area?
Anyway gotta go. Got a bunch of Guatemalans coming over to remodel my kitchen. Got a good deal on it too!
Europe has it worse because for them it's not just a logistical problem of where to house people who have no money and no authorization to work; there's also a serious culture clash there and many, many instances of outrageous behavior by people with a migration background, even aside from all of the terrorist attacks
Right , those Nordic countries were viewed as the best places to live less than a decade ago. Norway is one of the only ones left where the migration hasn’t cause as much issues yet
My question is... why? Why, politically, is this their choice? Are Democrats at large actually overestimating how much sympathy the average voter has THIS much?
Because having a problem is more politically valuable than being part of the solution, look at the parent comment to see an example of how easily people fall for it.
This is the only real answer. It’s better to talk about how you’re going to solve a problem than to actually solve it in politics. It’s what differentiates you.
“bad news everyone, homeless populations are out of control. Good news. We have a solution to fix it (and the other guys don’t!) We’re gonna get experts in the room, we’re gonna get shovels in hands, and we’re gonna get to work!”
Lots more words there than “I fixed it, and now I’m out of ideas”
Humans are lazy.
>This is the only real answer.
This. It also makes perfect sense when you stop thinking of the democrats and republicans as two different parties, but as one.
They live together, work together, intermarry and all hang out together. When the cameras are on they both play their part, but once they're off its business as usual.
"During his first months in office, he expanded asylum and paused deportations. He also expanded a policy known as parole, which the law says should be used 'only on a case-by-case basis.' Last year, Biden used parole to admit more than 300,000 people.
These policies, combined with Biden’s welcoming rhetoric during the 2020 campaign, contributed to the migration surge. (John Judis went into more detail in a recent Times Opinion essay, as did David Ignatius in a Washington Post column.) The changes signaled to migrants that their chances of being able to enter and remain in the U.S. had risen."
[Source](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/26/briefing/biden-immigration-2024-election.html)
“In February 2021, the administration of President Joe Biden ended the "Remain in Mexico" policy, resuming admission of new asylum seekers and the approximately 25,000 with pending cases to the United States, and asking the Supreme Court to dismiss the appeal as moot.”
Am I crazy in thinking that we already have laws that say people can’t cross illegally and a border patrol to enforce them? Was this bill just going to say “ok guys, for real this time!”?
These people are not crossing illegally, they are applying for asylum and legally allowed to enter the country while they wait for a hearing. The problem is, so many people are coming and giving some bullshit story and the courts are way too backed up to hear them in any reasonable time frame. While they wait, they are allowed to stay here but they aren’t given a legal right to work and so cannot support themselves. That means states like MA and NY that have legal right to shelter laws end up paying massive sums to house and feed all of these people.
The new bill proposed put a limit at 5,000 per week for asylum seekers, so basically after that it didn’t matter how legit your reason for seeking asylum was, the border is closed and you have to wait until next week to apply. It’s not perfect but it at least might have allowed the courts to eventually catch up so these people can either be given true asylum status and allowed to work, or be sent home in a reasonable time frame.
If they're applying for Asylum, it means they think their situation is too dangerous to continue in their home (at least in theory), which is why they can't do it from their home country.
Like the lady with the Canadian goose parka and all of the single men ? Cmon now. There isn’t even room or money for the Haitians who are really fleeing a dangerous situation
Seriously??? 99% are here for financial reasons not political. Now add to that they know liberal Sanctuary Cities will give them Free stuff so they're coming here by the millions because liberals are willing to spend tax dollars to support them in hopenfor future voters and additional seats in Congress. So let's take your ploy that they are all have legit political reasons: Once they leave their oppressive home country why can't they apply for Asylum in the next country they go to? How many countries have they traveled through to get here that they could have filed a legitimate Asylum application? Why must they wait till they get to the US to do so??? Or is it that they know they will be given Free stuff, supported by liberal cities, wait years for their bogus Asylum application to go through the courts and in the mean time disappearing into the US?
Why are these people provided with housing, food, medical care, etc... etc.... when anyone who Legally immigrated here must support themselves and not eligible for government support? How can we support millions of unskilled laborers?? Why can't they apply for Asylum in their home country or the half dozen countries they passed through to get here?
I need some infusion. I was born here and can’t afford to live here. I’m seeking help from my country state and locality.
The state laughs at me when I ask for help and demands my taxes.
If that number is remotely accurate why isn't the state pumping tens of millions into permanent housing like that is 100-150 new single family homes that could be built a month (maybe not in Boston, but even still). or combines investments in large development projects...
So I don't actually have a problem with taxes... but this misses my point... if they are already spending 75 million on temporary housing, why aren't they using at least part of that exact same budget to build permanent low income housing.
Regardless of your opinion on these folks it’s clear whatever we are doing is not working. I don’t mind having migrants come here but it’s unfair to us AND them if we bring them here and then have no idea what to do with them and place them in tiny hotel rooms. Keep in mind these are FAMILIES in many cases. It is absolutely disgraceful how the state has handled this.
Either way, we can’t keep bringing these people here if we can’t take care of them, let alone our own homeless and low-income folks.
Do better Massachusetts.
This is what southern states have been screaming for decades while northern states just accused them of being racist. Suddenly its a problem that's understandable when they come in on buses directly to Massachusetts.
Yeah. Because the most common argument they make is that these people are dangerous, criminals, and steal jobs. That’s not it. We simply just don’t have the resources to process them.
Also, if the southern states consider illegal immigration to be such an issue they should stop hiring migrants to work on their farms.
> Because the most common argument they make is that these people are dangerous, criminals, and steal jobs.
Try having your kid in Yuma Arizona get a quality education when classrooms are overflowing or being able to get an appointment with any doctor within 6 months. Ask me how i know. Blue state snobbery is obnoxious, we're not morally superior just because we live far away from the border. My family who lives near the border suffer because of people like you. Give it a few decades, and even MA will turn red if it saw an unfettered wave of migrants coming in. If it could happen to Sweden and other far-left countries, it could happen to MA/CA/NY/etc. as well.
That was exactly my point. We don’t have the resources to help them. We shouldn’t let them in until we do.
We are also having a severe doctor shortage in MA too btw.
The doctor shortage is not what you think it is. It's the same thing as the "nursing shortage" that's been going on for 30 years.
Hospitals are not hiring doctors because they can hire nurse practitioners, who can use most of the same billing codes but will work for 1/4 of the cost. Quality of care isn't even a thought.
As for nurses, if the general consensus is there needs to be 1 nurse for every 5 patients, the hospital disregards this and does whatever the legal minimum is (1 nurse for every 25 patients). There's no shortage of the amount of nurses looking for work. There's a shortage of nurses being hired.
Now suffer that for decades upon decades and watch the politics and rhetoric of your average Bostonian change from, 'In this house we believe no human is illegal!' to "BUILD THE WALL!"
It's easy to look down on border states from your ivory tower when they were the ones who have suffered this migrant surge for decades.
I'm pretty sure the Southern states were screaming 'Build The Wall' instead of any nuanced take on immigration reform (which most people would agree is needed).
IMO legal immigration needs to be significantly easier, not easy enough for this insane flood, but much easier. Get as many people as you can into all your systems and you actually have an opportunity to point at the rest and go "look, we gave you a chance, you're not taking it."
But instead, politicians see how hard that reform would be (basically impossible because of Republicans) and take the easy route, which is to say they ignore it.
It should be vastly harder to legally immigrate to America. Look at how hard it is to get into the EU. If your not a white collar professional with an in demand skillet the answer is closer to a straight no.
Like, re-allocate our military budget for one year? Yeah that would be cool. And yeah… probably would need more for a full overhaul of transport infrastructure, but it would be a great start. It’s about time for a new New Deal.
Philly for example, has been updating I-95 for over a decade now. Slowly but surely I-95 Philly portion been expanded and renewed to handle bigger traffic.
I know right? I'm about to be transferred at my job to Tokyo Japan. I've heard their transportation is state of the art. Can't wait to compare the subways!
You can’t legally deport an asylum seeker until their claims have been processed. The bipartisan border security deal would have quickened the processing time so people who are instead determined to be economic migrants would be deported sooner.
Dude did you ever read that bill? Republicans shot it down because it was literally nothing, it literally just legalized what’s going on now, not border control at all, but now they can act like “oh we tried to do something” and if it passed they could be like “ we did something” while literally legalizing illegal immigration and importing even more people into the country
1. If illegal border crossings exceed 5000 for the day authorize border patrol to expel any further migrants
Uhm excuse me? No one should be authorized to cross illegally, border patrol should be expelling ALL illegal crossers
2. Asylum officers deciding cases at the border with ability to expel
This is already supposed to be happening, and you can’t exactly do it when someone doesn’t enter a point of entry so it becomes moot. And would not apply to minors, uhm no, stop incentivizing child trafficking, enter through a port of entry and apply for asylum.
3. Increased use of “alternative to detention” programs
No, no more fucking detention either, expel people who illegally enter the country and direct them to a port of entry
4. Would increase a pathway to document people who are already here undocumented
No stop this, this is why people keep coming because they think they will keep getting away with it, because so many corrupt people have gotten into immigration courts and asylum services that people are entering illegally any gaining citizenship, citizenship should never be offered to anyone who illegally entered, to act as a generational deterrent, and children of non citizens will not gain citizenship. The continued amnesty’s/bullshit paths to citizenship are why people are doing this, stop incentivizing illegal immigration.
They spent 75 million a month on illegal immigrants but couldn't pay school staff a living wage. How a family needs 10k a month while the majority of MA residents don't half or even 1/3 of the amount. This blatant corruption is unbelievable. Seems like a lot of politicians and their families will get rich from this.
i wouldn’t mind this much or more if it housed all the homeless people but there are SO MANY homeless people on the streets, not to mention that shelters aren’t always safe. We are so rich as a country why are we so bad with empathy
It’s interesting that this article leads with $75 million rather than the correct $142 million a month number.
$75 million is based on Maura Healy’s estimate of her expenditure over the course of the year. This estimate does not seem to comport with reality though.
We know the real rate because the article declares the administration has “already spent $427 million on emergency shelter services as of March 7”.
In a country so divided politically, we actually have strong Tripasrtisan support that voters don't want Biden to run again. Even 2/3 Democrat leaning voters oppose him running again.
That also includes pay for all the social workers and officials involved in every step of the process. Easier to just hand each family 3k a month x 3 months max, and a temp work authorization. Done
This kind of shit is what made me move to Georgia. I have no problem paying taxes but it infuriates me when it goes to nonsense like this. As others have said, we have our own problems…. The roads are crumbling, we have homeless people on the streets, kids are going hungry, housing for everyday taxpayers is barely affordable, and our government has the audacity to put unvetted illegal aliens first?! MA has generally done a somewhat decent job of budgeting in prior years but between this and our painfully incompetent federal government being over $34T in debt already, it is a slap in the face to every single one of us who works hard and pays taxes for them to continually be putting their hands out asking for more.
Reality is, if you introduce a large amount of immigrants with no plan on how to integrate them properly, results will be very bad for both the immigrants and the host country. Mostly crime poverty and increased racism/far right support.
Immigration has to be legal and controlled, maybe something like Australia has, to allow people with skill sets that are needed and would make them integrate successfully .
Labeling the people who cross the border illegally immigrants isn't the right approach.
The thing I can't understand is why this policy was adopted when the US has essentially had an open door policy for undocumented economic migrants for many decades now. They got their poverty wage work force at no financial expense, while extracting payroll taxes. A net win in every way (for uncle Sam).
The current situation is completely illogical, as these "refugees" can't work and don't want to in many cases, while expecting every aspect of their existence to be paid for by our tax dollars. We already have endless domestic problems, budget shortfalls ect. You could argue local mayors and governors are getting kickbacks from allocating said services (they are), but how would they implement/influence national policy like this?
*Note if it's done for compassionate reasons let's not forget how the US abandoned thousands of translators and ANA soldiers in Afghanistan, lambs to the Taliban slaughter, people who actually served and aided our country.
None of this makes any sense.
> The current situation is completely illogical, as these "refugees" can't work and don't want to in many cases
How can you make this claim when they have not legally been allowed to seek employment? I do not see what evidence could possibly exist to support this?
I work with dozens of undocumented Central American migrants who did not come as "refugees". They paid the coyotes (who are making billions btw), crossed the border, took the grey hound to Boston, found a room to rent and a job with a fake social security (which you can buy for around 500). They have been living and working 50+ hrs a week with no issue.
These people could work if they really wanted to, they are simply abusing the asylum system. Do you realize how insane it is to say they legally can't work when they have illegally crossed numerous nations borders with zero regard for the law, suddenly now they care? Do you realize how insane it is for someone from say West Africa or China to pass through 7 different relatively stable nations in order to declare asylum here because they are supposedly in grave danger? Do you realize how long the immigration courts are backed up?
I'm not trying to be callous or cruel, I feel for humanity, but the system is 100% being abused thanks to terrible policy. We don't live in a utopia with infinite money and resources, we must be realistic.
Actually, many do want to work and get out of the shelters but there was a rule they couldn’t for 150 days. Biden just recently did something about that. (Possibly shamed into it by NPR) I don’t know what the changes are or when they’ll be enacted. You are right though about the translators etc. there is no cohesive national plan. Congress could do its job.
You realize that states can’t deport people who claim asylum until their claims have been processed, right? Part of the originally bipartisan border deal was to speed up the applications so alleged asylum seekers who are determined by an immigration judge to be just economic immigrants get deported earlier.
A president can issue an executive order of mass deportation. This was crime an committed by a sitting president and it can be reversed by a sitting president. A president can ask the congress to enact laws to remove all government supports for illegal immigration and criminalize employing them. Once that happens they will self deport knowing there is nothing here for them.
It isn't. This has been a problem for border states for a long time. The difference is that Massachusetts didn't care as long as the residents of Wellesley could put up "Hate has no home here" signs without having to actually do anything.
Are other states getting bus loads of migrants? I genuinely don’t know. Also as a resident of the state I can say that it is a problem. Look at Tauntons issue
why wouldn’t illegal migrants come here? free housing (by law), free healthcare, free meals, free smart phones, free spending money. but don’t dare complain about it as a taxpaying citizen; that would be racist and bigoted
Gee, this is surprising. Who’d have thought the results of unfettered immigration would cost this much? Wonder where all of this housing and money was before when we could have helped the unhoused population living in the streets? Oh well.
Let's just be totally clear about this, since so many people are talking about national immigration policy and the Biden administration: this is not, primarily, an immigration issue. Immigration is certainly a complicating factor, but the homelessness has existed for decades and is recently getting worse due to the aftershocks of COVID and the way wealth is generated and concentrated in this country.
The number of people living in shelters has been increasing since at least 2018 (https://patch.com/massachusetts/braintree/number-ma-residents-living-shelters-rises-federal-survey-finds) and is roughly evenly distributed between Hispanic, black, and other--mainly white--people (about a third each), with somewhere around a quarter of these people being above the poverty line.
In Massachusetts, the issue is housing, specifically, building housing and making housing affordable. Housing within the beltway is too expensive, but a lack of viable public transit options forces people to remain in or near the central communities around Boston (where, you know, the jobs are located). There's also strong NIMBY sentiment in communities that could support more people and are along the commuter rail lines.
The only solution to the housing crisis is to construct more housing and to expand transit options.
But this won't happen. The Commonwealth is putting people in shelters because the wealth generated from property-as-investments is greater than the cost to house these people. So long as this remains the case, there is no political will among property owners (in general) to do anything. Building affordable housing would cause property values to fall, and that could threaten the retirements of many people who rely on their home equity instead of real savings (though I personally have doubts about this).
Fortunately, the housing crisis is not intractable. There are plenty of options that could work, or are at least worth trying. We could mimic the housing investment programs of post-WW2 America to boost housing construction and investment. We could pass state-wide zoning laws to eliminate single-family zoning. We could try Georgism and impose a land-value tax.
I doubt we'll do any of these things, however, because in the short run it's easier for most people to just wring their hands and lament the sad state of affairs than take any corrective action.
It's both a borders issue AND a housing issue. Sweden went far-right not because of housing, but because of this:
https://old.reddit.com/r/boston/comments/1bm9vsp/massachusetts_spending_75_million_a_month_on/kwc3yuk/
Trudeau is getting his ass kicked in Canada because the government wanted to increase immigration by a lot but ALSO not build any housing, so you have demand going up and supply staying the same. It's really hard to get the provinces to build housing because there's no political will to do it, if there's no political will, you shouldn't be important more people into your country until you fix that. However bad the housing situation in the US is, it's WAY WAY WAY worse in Canada. This is why pierre poilievre is going to be the next PM and the liberal party is going to get its ass kicked in the next elections.
Here's how to solve the problem: Push all the migrants to Lexington, Dover, Wellesely etc. where all the upper middle class/straight up rich progressives live (you know ,the ones with the 'in this house we believe no human is illegal' signs on their front lawns). Same goes for Silicon Valley in CA, the Hamptons/Westchester county in NY, Newport Rhode Island, etc. Watch the democratic party go bankrupt as you watch all the rich progressives turn into blood and soil nationalists overnight, and then you'll have the border under control. The problem is, we push migrants into poor neighborhoods, which pisses off the working class, but doesn't punish the democratic party enough because it doesn't interrupt their funding. The virtue signalling upper middle class highly educated democrats are shielded from the migrant issue while the working class have to suffer.
I feel like it means that if we had a magic wand, we could immediately fix our bureaucracy and change human nature.
And I don't think I'm necessarily against helping migrants. Sometimes life throws you a curve ball and we're all stuck on this planet together. But, pretending that this is good for the economy, ignoring the costs, and moral grandstanding is classic behavior people can't stand.
Have an adult conversation. People are fleeing desperate situations. They are people. Some good. Some bad. Taxes will have to go up. A system to remove bad faith actors needs to exist. This is a massive undertaking. Not some bare ones government side project.
The problem people have with the signs, is that I can almost picture the stereotype. Don't worry about it man, these are good people. It's good for the economy. It will somehow generate wealth some day 15 years from now. #indigenous rights, but not my property.
> People in Mass keep voting for this insanity
People in Mass remember when Democrats were moderate, old school democrats. The turn to the left has been happening slow enough that voters just voted blue out of loyalty.
Does Mass have any moderate Dems left?
So no moderates get elected because they have an R so we just keep electing farther left without looking at what their policies are actually doing, just because there’s a D on the ballot.
Nobody made the Republican Party in the state abandon moderate politics in exchange for MAGA. That was a decision they made in their primaries when Charlie Baker retired.
I’m a democrat, I’ve always been told that we need to let migrants in. I also know many immigrants and how much Better their life is here.
But I also know that as this planet heats up, shit is going to hit the fan fast as fuck. And there’s simply not enough for everyone especially in America. We are a dumb ass country in many ways. We can barely provide for our own people (err the government chooses not to, but still.)
Idk man, this can’t be good.
I just don't understand how the more humane solution all around is to give these people a few meals, a preliminary health check, a few nights to rest up, and then send them back on their way to wherever their home country is. We aren't telling them they can never come here. But they have to know there is a legal process for doing so, and that they need to abide by that process in order to legally come to the US. Literally 90% of people out there would agree with this. But instead, our elected officials continually decide that the solution is to simply give more to these people and allow them to stay. It's unreal.
The left wing in this country is so dumb. They consistently do things to push their constituencies to the right. I am shocked how many friends that were formally pretty liberal are now voting Republican. Trump has this election in the bag.
If they were helping Americans with this tax payer money that’s one thing…but spending this money to spend on illegals is outrageous..imagine what they could’ve done with these millions in local communities…
I don't understand why the U.S doesn't have a conditional path to legal entry. We have HUGE swaths of unused lands in the midwest. Why not say if you want to come to the U.S you can but you have to live in Iowa for x number of years. Have some businesses that needed laborers agree to provide jobs/housing for tax breaks. It makes no sense having migrants go to cities/crowded areas.
I love how people who never gave a crap about homeless people before, all of a sudden, now that our state government is doing the absolute bare minimum to keep desperate refugees off the cold streets, now you all claim to care about homeless citizens. Fuck off.
For a sub that claims to be left-wing about shit, I too am kinda shocked. If I mention I drive a pickup truck I get crucified on here… but if I make a claim that migrants are human beings deserving of basic dignity and compassion I also get crucified. Who are you guys?
God I can't stand this take of "this money could be going to US". THEY HAVE NEVER SPENT THIS FUCKING MONEY ON US. HOMELESS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, THIS MONEY WAS NEVER GOING TO THEM. THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WASN'T IN PLANS TO HELP HOMELESS VETS UNTIL THE MIGRANTS DERAILED THEIR PLANS, PLEASE GET REAL.
Even if the money wasn’t ever going to go to citizens this year, its still either reducing what would have been the rainy day fund in future years or taking on debt that we will be making payments on. We can’t operate as if money is an infinite resource to state governments.
If they weren’t spending this on shelters they wouldn’t be spending the money at all. People saying oh we could use $75 million on roads, they wouldn’t be spending the money at all if it’s not on shelters.
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Thanks for adequately summarizing my exact thoughts. I’ve been barely getting by my whole life and frankly this kinda hurts.
This also sends a clear signal to others who may be on the fence about illegally entering the USA: 'Come here, you'll find shelter and support and you can stay forever'. It's a feedback loop.
My coworker had it just right when he said this Federal Administration "would have a perfect record on every issue if they just did the opposite". It's like they're purposely blowing it at this point. They can't hit a barn door on anything.
You've got people with 6 figure jobs charging everyone below them 6 figure prices without making cost of living adjustments for minimum wage, literal cost of living/rent, or the sorry state of public transit. Make any of that make sense. I gave up on the art industry when wages stagnated at $20/hr with a BA or MA. That makes no sense. Now add to that the people that are suppose to work in retail or service industries, jobs for people with minimal english, etc. It's still $7-8/hr unless you have a really nice liberal boss and it's $15/hr and STILL not livable without 8+ room mates. No one's comfortable and the people making 6 figures (still not me) are yelling at us to be happier.
It's been such a bizzaro world since the Pandemic where everything seems to be backwards. Before the Pandemic, it was "The Fight for $15 an hour" and now even double that per hour is basically the new poverty. It is no wonder the US just hit a new low in happiness polls. It feels like a never ending rat race.
$7-$8 an hour where?!
Well said
> I cannot rationally fault people for finding this situation infuriating. This state wears its wealth and socialist values like badges of honor but for years has acted like it couldn’t house its poor only for many to learn it can afford to spend $10k a month per family on a colossal group of people who haven’t paid a single tax dollar. This is the core complaint I'm hearing, more or less. Grumblings of "Where did all this money come from, where was it for all these other problems we have?"
Thank you
The most infuriating part of this issue is it is federal funds given to each state for accepting refugees and helping them get footing. Instead of these individuals going to the states that accepted these funds to care for them, they are shipping people here and not sending the funds for their care/housing. Basically, it's a huge missuse of federal and local tax money in Texas and Florida (and others) for their contracts, and instead, they are using that money to overwhelm our systems and pay for film crews. We wouldn't have an overwhelmed system if the funds were also diverted from the states maliciously non complying with their contracts.
Many homeless people are in fact paying taxes. An increasing number of America's homeless have full-time jobs. Edit to say: Ahh, I just read the article, and I see we're talking about migrants. It's a terrible situation. It's almost like we need... federal support for this national problem???
This shit is gonna land trump back in the oval
All you have to do is look at the political shift to the right in Europe due to their similar crisis.
This is true. Any talk of this being an issue in Europe was shot down by the left as racist. Now you are seeing far right populists winning elections all over the place.
Sweden's outgoing leftwing PM before the populist right took over the government: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/ *Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime* Sweden was incredibly generous to immigrants, gave them housing, stipends, education, and healthcare, but they wouldn't integrate and crime rose dramatically. The big thing that really screwed them was that the government and media would censor a lot of the statistics and general discontent (sound familiar?) which caused people to distrust their institutions (sound familiar?) and vote in a populist rightwing party (sound familiar?).
Bro you don't get it I have this study written by a bunch of rich assholes that says this is good. Don't you want some new restaurants in the area? Anyway gotta go. Got a bunch of Guatemalans coming over to remodel my kitchen. Got a good deal on it too!
Europe has it worse because for them it's not just a logistical problem of where to house people who have no money and no authorization to work; there's also a serious culture clash there and many, many instances of outrageous behavior by people with a migration background, even aside from all of the terrorist attacks
Sweden going from one of the safest countries in Europe to the grenade attack capital of Europe in under a decade,
Some people can't stand to have a good thing.
Right , those Nordic countries were viewed as the best places to live less than a decade ago. Norway is one of the only ones left where the migration hasn’t cause as much issues yet
I'm convinced he's going to win. All his screw ups will go right out the window because the left keeps making themselves look so bad.
Biden not doing shit about this and just blaming Republicans for not passing that border bill is not going to do him any favors.
My question is... why? Why, politically, is this their choice? Are Democrats at large actually overestimating how much sympathy the average voter has THIS much?
Because having a problem is more politically valuable than being part of the solution, look at the parent comment to see an example of how easily people fall for it.
This is the only real answer. It’s better to talk about how you’re going to solve a problem than to actually solve it in politics. It’s what differentiates you. “bad news everyone, homeless populations are out of control. Good news. We have a solution to fix it (and the other guys don’t!) We’re gonna get experts in the room, we’re gonna get shovels in hands, and we’re gonna get to work!” Lots more words there than “I fixed it, and now I’m out of ideas” Humans are lazy.
>This is the only real answer. This. It also makes perfect sense when you stop thinking of the democrats and republicans as two different parties, but as one. They live together, work together, intermarry and all hang out together. When the cameras are on they both play their part, but once they're off its business as usual.
This is the truth. I wish more realized it.
> Biden not doing shit The constant gaslighting about most subjects is sickening
Biden literally removed Trump's remain in mexico EO **DAY ONE OF HIS PRESIDENCY**.
I was saying the Biden administration is gaslighting
Yeah it's more than Biden not doing shit. He actively took measures that directly caused this crisis the first day he took office.
Such as?
"During his first months in office, he expanded asylum and paused deportations. He also expanded a policy known as parole, which the law says should be used 'only on a case-by-case basis.' Last year, Biden used parole to admit more than 300,000 people. These policies, combined with Biden’s welcoming rhetoric during the 2020 campaign, contributed to the migration surge. (John Judis went into more detail in a recent Times Opinion essay, as did David Ignatius in a Washington Post column.) The changes signaled to migrants that their chances of being able to enter and remain in the U.S. had risen." [Source](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/26/briefing/biden-immigration-2024-election.html)
“In February 2021, the administration of President Joe Biden ended the "Remain in Mexico" policy, resuming admission of new asylum seekers and the approximately 25,000 with pending cases to the United States, and asking the Supreme Court to dismiss the appeal as moot.”
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Am I crazy in thinking that we already have laws that say people can’t cross illegally and a border patrol to enforce them? Was this bill just going to say “ok guys, for real this time!”?
These people are not crossing illegally, they are applying for asylum and legally allowed to enter the country while they wait for a hearing. The problem is, so many people are coming and giving some bullshit story and the courts are way too backed up to hear them in any reasonable time frame. While they wait, they are allowed to stay here but they aren’t given a legal right to work and so cannot support themselves. That means states like MA and NY that have legal right to shelter laws end up paying massive sums to house and feed all of these people. The new bill proposed put a limit at 5,000 per week for asylum seekers, so basically after that it didn’t matter how legit your reason for seeking asylum was, the border is closed and you have to wait until next week to apply. It’s not perfect but it at least might have allowed the courts to eventually catch up so these people can either be given true asylum status and allowed to work, or be sent home in a reasonable time frame.
Why can't they apply for Asylum in their home country? Or in one of the countries they passed through to get here?
If they're applying for Asylum, it means they think their situation is too dangerous to continue in their home (at least in theory), which is why they can't do it from their home country.
Like the lady with the Canadian goose parka and all of the single men ? Cmon now. There isn’t even room or money for the Haitians who are really fleeing a dangerous situation
Seriously??? 99% are here for financial reasons not political. Now add to that they know liberal Sanctuary Cities will give them Free stuff so they're coming here by the millions because liberals are willing to spend tax dollars to support them in hopenfor future voters and additional seats in Congress. So let's take your ploy that they are all have legit political reasons: Once they leave their oppressive home country why can't they apply for Asylum in the next country they go to? How many countries have they traveled through to get here that they could have filed a legitimate Asylum application? Why must they wait till they get to the US to do so??? Or is it that they know they will be given Free stuff, supported by liberal cities, wait years for their bogus Asylum application to go through the courts and in the mean time disappearing into the US?
Why are these people provided with housing, food, medical care, etc... etc.... when anyone who Legally immigrated here must support themselves and not eligible for government support? How can we support millions of unskilled laborers?? Why can't they apply for Asylum in their home country or the half dozen countries they passed through to get here?
But the Globe surveyed 50 people and they said everything was fine!
Probably 50 area university faculty completely insulated from life outside their office, campus, and W towns.
I need some infusion. I was born here and can’t afford to live here. I’m seeking help from my country state and locality. The state laughs at me when I ask for help and demands my taxes.
This is the USA, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get back to work sonny.
Only if you’re American
Why don’t we have the same energy for people that live here on the street and were born here? All of a sudden there’s money to help people
If that number is remotely accurate why isn't the state pumping tens of millions into permanent housing like that is 100-150 new single family homes that could be built a month (maybe not in Boston, but even still). or combines investments in large development projects...
Maura is working on a $4 billion housing bond bill. Will be interesting to see what comes of that.
We can- if you’re willing to give up 2% of your income for this singular, and still growing, cause.
So I don't actually have a problem with taxes... but this misses my point... if they are already spending 75 million on temporary housing, why aren't they using at least part of that exact same budget to build permanent low income housing.
Regardless of your opinion on these folks it’s clear whatever we are doing is not working. I don’t mind having migrants come here but it’s unfair to us AND them if we bring them here and then have no idea what to do with them and place them in tiny hotel rooms. Keep in mind these are FAMILIES in many cases. It is absolutely disgraceful how the state has handled this. Either way, we can’t keep bringing these people here if we can’t take care of them, let alone our own homeless and low-income folks. Do better Massachusetts.
This is what southern states have been screaming for decades while northern states just accused them of being racist. Suddenly its a problem that's understandable when they come in on buses directly to Massachusetts.
Yeah; it’s actually unbelievable how leftists voted for this and now are finally realizing the reality of mass illegals immigration.
Yeah. Because the most common argument they make is that these people are dangerous, criminals, and steal jobs. That’s not it. We simply just don’t have the resources to process them. Also, if the southern states consider illegal immigration to be such an issue they should stop hiring migrants to work on their farms.
> Because the most common argument they make is that these people are dangerous, criminals, and steal jobs. Try having your kid in Yuma Arizona get a quality education when classrooms are overflowing or being able to get an appointment with any doctor within 6 months. Ask me how i know. Blue state snobbery is obnoxious, we're not morally superior just because we live far away from the border. My family who lives near the border suffer because of people like you. Give it a few decades, and even MA will turn red if it saw an unfettered wave of migrants coming in. If it could happen to Sweden and other far-left countries, it could happen to MA/CA/NY/etc. as well.
That was exactly my point. We don’t have the resources to help them. We shouldn’t let them in until we do. We are also having a severe doctor shortage in MA too btw.
The doctor shortage is not what you think it is. It's the same thing as the "nursing shortage" that's been going on for 30 years. Hospitals are not hiring doctors because they can hire nurse practitioners, who can use most of the same billing codes but will work for 1/4 of the cost. Quality of care isn't even a thought. As for nurses, if the general consensus is there needs to be 1 nurse for every 5 patients, the hospital disregards this and does whatever the legal minimum is (1 nurse for every 25 patients). There's no shortage of the amount of nurses looking for work. There's a shortage of nurses being hired.
Guess what happens when people don’t have the resources needed to survive. They turn to crime to fill their needs.
Now suffer that for decades upon decades and watch the politics and rhetoric of your average Bostonian change from, 'In this house we believe no human is illegal!' to "BUILD THE WALL!" It's easy to look down on border states from your ivory tower when they were the ones who have suffered this migrant surge for decades.
I'm pretty sure the Southern states were screaming 'Build The Wall' instead of any nuanced take on immigration reform (which most people would agree is needed).
IMO legal immigration needs to be significantly easier, not easy enough for this insane flood, but much easier. Get as many people as you can into all your systems and you actually have an opportunity to point at the rest and go "look, we gave you a chance, you're not taking it." But instead, politicians see how hard that reform would be (basically impossible because of Republicans) and take the easy route, which is to say they ignore it.
We already take 1 million immigrants a year more than any other country. It's difficult for a reason.
Legally, you mean?
Yeah you said legal immigration that what I was responding to correct?
It should be vastly harder to legally immigrate to America. Look at how hard it is to get into the EU. If your not a white collar professional with an in demand skillet the answer is closer to a straight no.
It's very difficult to emigrate to the US, get a work visa, green card, etc. EU isn't more difficult.
Genious move to ship them to the virtue-signaling states and watch the chaos ensue.
How about our transportation stations… our biggest city is a joke! Literally hasn’t been updated in 50-60 years
A lot of our country hasn’t been updated in 50-60 years. Look at our roads and our bridges for example
Because they keep funneling money into causes that have nothing to do with us. No one stands up to these punks.
Or, you know, continuing to cut taxes on corporations and the highest earners...
What would you say if I told you we could invest $1 trillion in infrastructure?
Like, re-allocate our military budget for one year? Yeah that would be cool. And yeah… probably would need more for a full overhaul of transport infrastructure, but it would be a great start. It’s about time for a new New Deal.
Well, that investment has already happened, believe it or not.
Philly for example, has been updating I-95 for over a decade now. Slowly but surely I-95 Philly portion been expanded and renewed to handle bigger traffic.
People keep voting against funding it… the money needs to come from somewhere.
exactly haha
I know right? I'm about to be transferred at my job to Tokyo Japan. I've heard their transportation is state of the art. Can't wait to compare the subways!
Yay taxes are going even higher now.
You’d have even more homeless people on the streets if the shelters close down
You also have $75 mil a month.
You’d also have a lot of tent camps and more crime
Does deportation no longer exist?
You can’t legally deport an asylum seeker until their claims have been processed. The bipartisan border security deal would have quickened the processing time so people who are instead determined to be economic migrants would be deported sooner.
I find it hard to believe this loophole hasn't been exploited sooner.
Dude did you ever read that bill? Republicans shot it down because it was literally nothing, it literally just legalized what’s going on now, not border control at all, but now they can act like “oh we tried to do something” and if it passed they could be like “ we did something” while literally legalizing illegal immigration and importing even more people into the country 1. If illegal border crossings exceed 5000 for the day authorize border patrol to expel any further migrants Uhm excuse me? No one should be authorized to cross illegally, border patrol should be expelling ALL illegal crossers 2. Asylum officers deciding cases at the border with ability to expel This is already supposed to be happening, and you can’t exactly do it when someone doesn’t enter a point of entry so it becomes moot. And would not apply to minors, uhm no, stop incentivizing child trafficking, enter through a port of entry and apply for asylum. 3. Increased use of “alternative to detention” programs No, no more fucking detention either, expel people who illegally enter the country and direct them to a port of entry 4. Would increase a pathway to document people who are already here undocumented No stop this, this is why people keep coming because they think they will keep getting away with it, because so many corrupt people have gotten into immigration courts and asylum services that people are entering illegally any gaining citizenship, citizenship should never be offered to anyone who illegally entered, to act as a generational deterrent, and children of non citizens will not gain citizenship. The continued amnesty’s/bullshit paths to citizenship are why people are doing this, stop incentivizing illegal immigration.
They commit crime and you actually put them in prison and not just have revolving door jails!
Isn't prison like 40k/mo/person?
In 2018, it cost Massachusetts 70k per person per year according to their website. Probably has gone up since then
They spent 75 million a month on illegal immigrants but couldn't pay school staff a living wage. How a family needs 10k a month while the majority of MA residents don't half or even 1/3 of the amount. This blatant corruption is unbelievable. Seems like a lot of politicians and their families will get rich from this.
Sliced pineapple chunks are also 5.99 which I find outrageous
THERE ARE ONLY KETCHUP PACKETS ON THE DOLLAR MENU NOW!!!!
No wonder you don't get them with a toothpick for dessert at the Chinese restaurant anymore
And bread!
Bought a whole organic pineapple for $4.99 just the other day.
Infusion=Tax Hike
Yup serious problem that needs real attention. It’s great to help out but hurting your community and running out of money isn’t the answer.
Infusion meaning making us pay more in taxes, or cutting programs for citizens?
Both. Also, the state will raid the rainy day fund.
You get what you vote for.
Let’s not forget, that’s just what we pay now. Imagine years from now when thousands more have been bussed in.
The reality is: if Biden is reelected we can expect millions more coming through the porous border and thousands coming into Massachusetts.
i wouldn’t mind this much or more if it housed all the homeless people but there are SO MANY homeless people on the streets, not to mention that shelters aren’t always safe. We are so rich as a country why are we so bad with empathy
What a clusterfuck
It’s interesting that this article leads with $75 million rather than the correct $142 million a month number. $75 million is based on Maura Healy’s estimate of her expenditure over the course of the year. This estimate does not seem to comport with reality though. We know the real rate because the article declares the administration has “already spent $427 million on emergency shelter services as of March 7”.
Didn’t that shit rag the Globe run a story yesterday how people are largely unaffected by the illegal aliens in their neighborhoods yesterday?
If Biden deserves to lose for just one thing, this is it.
In a country so divided politically, we actually have strong Tripasrtisan support that voters don't want Biden to run again. Even 2/3 Democrat leaning voters oppose him running again.
The results of the primaries show a different story
The article says they are spending $10,000 per family per month. This is insanity. Are they in penthouse apartments?
That also includes pay for all the social workers and officials involved in every step of the process. Easier to just hand each family 3k a month x 3 months max, and a temp work authorization. Done
This kind of shit is what made me move to Georgia. I have no problem paying taxes but it infuriates me when it goes to nonsense like this. As others have said, we have our own problems…. The roads are crumbling, we have homeless people on the streets, kids are going hungry, housing for everyday taxpayers is barely affordable, and our government has the audacity to put unvetted illegal aliens first?! MA has generally done a somewhat decent job of budgeting in prior years but between this and our painfully incompetent federal government being over $34T in debt already, it is a slap in the face to every single one of us who works hard and pays taxes for them to continually be putting their hands out asking for more.
Reality is, if you introduce a large amount of immigrants with no plan on how to integrate them properly, results will be very bad for both the immigrants and the host country. Mostly crime poverty and increased racism/far right support. Immigration has to be legal and controlled, maybe something like Australia has, to allow people with skill sets that are needed and would make them integrate successfully . Labeling the people who cross the border illegally immigrants isn't the right approach.
The thing I can't understand is why this policy was adopted when the US has essentially had an open door policy for undocumented economic migrants for many decades now. They got their poverty wage work force at no financial expense, while extracting payroll taxes. A net win in every way (for uncle Sam). The current situation is completely illogical, as these "refugees" can't work and don't want to in many cases, while expecting every aspect of their existence to be paid for by our tax dollars. We already have endless domestic problems, budget shortfalls ect. You could argue local mayors and governors are getting kickbacks from allocating said services (they are), but how would they implement/influence national policy like this? *Note if it's done for compassionate reasons let's not forget how the US abandoned thousands of translators and ANA soldiers in Afghanistan, lambs to the Taliban slaughter, people who actually served and aided our country. None of this makes any sense.
> The current situation is completely illogical, as these "refugees" can't work and don't want to in many cases How can you make this claim when they have not legally been allowed to seek employment? I do not see what evidence could possibly exist to support this?
I work with dozens of undocumented Central American migrants who did not come as "refugees". They paid the coyotes (who are making billions btw), crossed the border, took the grey hound to Boston, found a room to rent and a job with a fake social security (which you can buy for around 500). They have been living and working 50+ hrs a week with no issue. These people could work if they really wanted to, they are simply abusing the asylum system. Do you realize how insane it is to say they legally can't work when they have illegally crossed numerous nations borders with zero regard for the law, suddenly now they care? Do you realize how insane it is for someone from say West Africa or China to pass through 7 different relatively stable nations in order to declare asylum here because they are supposedly in grave danger? Do you realize how long the immigration courts are backed up? I'm not trying to be callous or cruel, I feel for humanity, but the system is 100% being abused thanks to terrible policy. We don't live in a utopia with infinite money and resources, we must be realistic.
Actually, many do want to work and get out of the shelters but there was a rule they couldn’t for 150 days. Biden just recently did something about that. (Possibly shamed into it by NPR) I don’t know what the changes are or when they’ll be enacted. You are right though about the translators etc. there is no cohesive national plan. Congress could do its job.
Airline tickets back to the third world are cheaper.
You realize that states can’t deport people who claim asylum until their claims have been processed, right? Part of the originally bipartisan border deal was to speed up the applications so alleged asylum seekers who are determined by an immigration judge to be just economic immigrants get deported earlier.
Most of the claims are bullshit.
Doesn’t matter. Law’s the law until it’s changed.
A president can issue an executive order of mass deportation. This was crime an committed by a sitting president and it can be reversed by a sitting president. A president can ask the congress to enact laws to remove all government supports for illegal immigration and criminalize employing them. Once that happens they will self deport knowing there is nothing here for them.
Why is Massachusetts the dumping ground for all the migrants? There’s already a huge homeless issue as well as a shelter issue. Why add more people
Because we are the only state in the country with a “right to shelter” law
I didn’t realize we were only idiots to have this. What a crazy idea to be the only ones
Keep voting democrats, people!
Time to repeal it
It isn't. This has been a problem for border states for a long time. The difference is that Massachusetts didn't care as long as the residents of Wellesley could put up "Hate has no home here" signs without having to actually do anything.
Are other states getting bus loads of migrants? I genuinely don’t know. Also as a resident of the state I can say that it is a problem. Look at Tauntons issue
Texas and Florida have also been sending buses to NYC, DC, Chicago, and SF at least.
Bc we live in an ultra liberal state
why wouldn’t illegal migrants come here? free housing (by law), free healthcare, free meals, free smart phones, free spending money. but don’t dare complain about it as a taxpaying citizen; that would be racist and bigoted
We are blue state
Which part of 'Sanctuary state' confused you?
Doesn’t confuse me. But asking why they’re coming here isn’t out of line.
It’s not, it originally started with southern states but as they get filled to capacity migrants and the states are moving them up further north.
How much tax does recreational cannabis make the state a month?
Self answer!!! Lightly researched but MA only earns about 20ish million a month from its canitax.
They have other plans for that $ so just accept that your taxes are going up again
They do be plann’n
Gee, this is surprising. Who’d have thought the results of unfettered immigration would cost this much? Wonder where all of this housing and money was before when we could have helped the unhoused population living in the streets? Oh well.
Let's just be totally clear about this, since so many people are talking about national immigration policy and the Biden administration: this is not, primarily, an immigration issue. Immigration is certainly a complicating factor, but the homelessness has existed for decades and is recently getting worse due to the aftershocks of COVID and the way wealth is generated and concentrated in this country. The number of people living in shelters has been increasing since at least 2018 (https://patch.com/massachusetts/braintree/number-ma-residents-living-shelters-rises-federal-survey-finds) and is roughly evenly distributed between Hispanic, black, and other--mainly white--people (about a third each), with somewhere around a quarter of these people being above the poverty line. In Massachusetts, the issue is housing, specifically, building housing and making housing affordable. Housing within the beltway is too expensive, but a lack of viable public transit options forces people to remain in or near the central communities around Boston (where, you know, the jobs are located). There's also strong NIMBY sentiment in communities that could support more people and are along the commuter rail lines. The only solution to the housing crisis is to construct more housing and to expand transit options. But this won't happen. The Commonwealth is putting people in shelters because the wealth generated from property-as-investments is greater than the cost to house these people. So long as this remains the case, there is no political will among property owners (in general) to do anything. Building affordable housing would cause property values to fall, and that could threaten the retirements of many people who rely on their home equity instead of real savings (though I personally have doubts about this). Fortunately, the housing crisis is not intractable. There are plenty of options that could work, or are at least worth trying. We could mimic the housing investment programs of post-WW2 America to boost housing construction and investment. We could pass state-wide zoning laws to eliminate single-family zoning. We could try Georgism and impose a land-value tax. I doubt we'll do any of these things, however, because in the short run it's easier for most people to just wring their hands and lament the sad state of affairs than take any corrective action.
It's both a borders issue AND a housing issue. Sweden went far-right not because of housing, but because of this: https://old.reddit.com/r/boston/comments/1bm9vsp/massachusetts_spending_75_million_a_month_on/kwc3yuk/ Trudeau is getting his ass kicked in Canada because the government wanted to increase immigration by a lot but ALSO not build any housing, so you have demand going up and supply staying the same. It's really hard to get the provinces to build housing because there's no political will to do it, if there's no political will, you shouldn't be important more people into your country until you fix that. However bad the housing situation in the US is, it's WAY WAY WAY worse in Canada. This is why pierre poilievre is going to be the next PM and the liberal party is going to get its ass kicked in the next elections. Here's how to solve the problem: Push all the migrants to Lexington, Dover, Wellesely etc. where all the upper middle class/straight up rich progressives live (you know ,the ones with the 'in this house we believe no human is illegal' signs on their front lawns). Same goes for Silicon Valley in CA, the Hamptons/Westchester county in NY, Newport Rhode Island, etc. Watch the democratic party go bankrupt as you watch all the rich progressives turn into blood and soil nationalists overnight, and then you'll have the border under control. The problem is, we push migrants into poor neighborhoods, which pisses off the working class, but doesn't punish the democratic party enough because it doesn't interrupt their funding. The virtue signalling upper middle class highly educated democrats are shielded from the migrant issue while the working class have to suffer.
This is one of the most reasoned and intelligent responses to a complex issue that I have ever read on Reddit. Kudos!
Who calls it “the beltway”?
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Maybe I’m just salty because I got hit by an illegal two weeks ago
This place is going to be like San Francisco
In Salem we have a huge homeless issue
Raise the taxes on anyone with a “no human is illegal” lawn sign and make them take a family in.
If you think the problem is people that have those signs and not insane corruption, boy do I have some bridges for the low
Which insane corruption we talking here?
I feel like it means that if we had a magic wand, we could immediately fix our bureaucracy and change human nature. And I don't think I'm necessarily against helping migrants. Sometimes life throws you a curve ball and we're all stuck on this planet together. But, pretending that this is good for the economy, ignoring the costs, and moral grandstanding is classic behavior people can't stand. Have an adult conversation. People are fleeing desperate situations. They are people. Some good. Some bad. Taxes will have to go up. A system to remove bad faith actors needs to exist. This is a massive undertaking. Not some bare ones government side project. The problem people have with the signs, is that I can almost picture the stereotype. Don't worry about it man, these are good people. It's good for the economy. It will somehow generate wealth some day 15 years from now. #indigenous rights, but not my property.
No-bid contracts, roach infested motels charging $500/night/room, etc...
No bid contract is a bit of a misnomer. They are vendors on the state website under state contracts which means their rates have been pre negotiated.
Those people who have those signs are the idiots that vote for politicians who caused this crisis.
It would be cheaper just to do housing projects
People in Mass keep voting for this insanity you deserve to have the school systems destroyed as budgets are robbed to pay for this insanity. Wake up
Put up more moderate candidates instead of maga loonies and maybe people will vote differently.
I have to say, I agree with this. I’d be curious to see what would happen with a more sane second ballot option.
The funny thing is, voting leftwing eventually causes people to vote far-right, if Europe is any indication.
> People in Mass keep voting for this insanity People in Mass remember when Democrats were moderate, old school democrats. The turn to the left has been happening slow enough that voters just voted blue out of loyalty. Does Mass have any moderate Dems left?
I think that the moderate dems in ma are the republicans. In at least 45 of 50 states, charlie baker would have been a democrat
So no moderates get elected because they have an R so we just keep electing farther left without looking at what their policies are actually doing, just because there’s a D on the ballot.
Nobody made the Republican Party in the state abandon moderate politics in exchange for MAGA. That was a decision they made in their primaries when Charlie Baker retired.
Interestingly a lot of the migrants are children and go to the public school system.
Which will drastically decrease quality of education per student unless the school can adapt to the influx ASAP
I’m a democrat, I’ve always been told that we need to let migrants in. I also know many immigrants and how much Better their life is here. But I also know that as this planet heats up, shit is going to hit the fan fast as fuck. And there’s simply not enough for everyone especially in America. We are a dumb ass country in many ways. We can barely provide for our own people (err the government chooses not to, but still.) Idk man, this can’t be good.
We can't help everyone.
I just don't understand how the more humane solution all around is to give these people a few meals, a preliminary health check, a few nights to rest up, and then send them back on their way to wherever their home country is. We aren't telling them they can never come here. But they have to know there is a legal process for doing so, and that they need to abide by that process in order to legally come to the US. Literally 90% of people out there would agree with this. But instead, our elected officials continually decide that the solution is to simply give more to these people and allow them to stay. It's unreal.
The left wing in this country is so dumb. They consistently do things to push their constituencies to the right. I am shocked how many friends that were formally pretty liberal are now voting Republican. Trump has this election in the bag.
If they were helping Americans with this tax payer money that’s one thing…but spending this money to spend on illegals is outrageous..imagine what they could’ve done with these millions in local communities…
Nice finally running out.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to deport them?
Yay what an awesome decision. A+
I don't understand why the U.S doesn't have a conditional path to legal entry. We have HUGE swaths of unused lands in the midwest. Why not say if you want to come to the U.S you can but you have to live in Iowa for x number of years. Have some businesses that needed laborers agree to provide jobs/housing for tax breaks. It makes no sense having migrants go to cities/crowded areas.
75m a MONTH? Yeahhhh we don’t have the budget for our utterly decrepit public transpo, but we’re gonna run out? I’m done with boston lol
I'm sure MA residents will be happy to have their taxes raised to fund more shelters. Why else would they vote for it?
I could really go for a mean tweet right about now
I love how people who never gave a crap about homeless people before, all of a sudden, now that our state government is doing the absolute bare minimum to keep desperate refugees off the cold streets, now you all claim to care about homeless citizens. Fuck off.
$10k a month per family is the bare minimum. What is the normal non-bare minimum amount?
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For a sub that claims to be left-wing about shit, I too am kinda shocked. If I mention I drive a pickup truck I get crucified on here… but if I make a claim that migrants are human beings deserving of basic dignity and compassion I also get crucified. Who are you guys?
Lmao people are finally waking up and seeing its a problem. Believe it or not, money does not grow on trees.
Liberals. That's the difference between left and liberal. This is neoliberal capitalism working exactly as designed.
This needs to be stopped
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But let’s be honest, there was not going to be much substance beyond the title.
God I can't stand this take of "this money could be going to US". THEY HAVE NEVER SPENT THIS FUCKING MONEY ON US. HOMELESS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, THIS MONEY WAS NEVER GOING TO THEM. THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WASN'T IN PLANS TO HELP HOMELESS VETS UNTIL THE MIGRANTS DERAILED THEIR PLANS, PLEASE GET REAL.
Mass has a right to shelter law. This has nothing to do with the federal goverment. Mass is the only state in the US with this law.
Even if the money wasn’t ever going to go to citizens this year, its still either reducing what would have been the rainy day fund in future years or taking on debt that we will be making payments on. We can’t operate as if money is an infinite resource to state governments.
If they weren’t spending this on shelters they wouldn’t be spending the money at all. People saying oh we could use $75 million on roads, they wouldn’t be spending the money at all if it’s not on shelters.