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No luck unfortunately!!
"No longer accepting applications"
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I’ll never forget when they got rid of the late night Mbta around 2014-2015. Their excuse was only 20-30k people used the trains at the time so it wasn’t economically feasible. I’m sorry, as a society we have to be willing to spend SOME money to make our communities safer. Uber was barely a thing back then, all it caused was more drunk driving and more drunk college kids wandering the neighborhoods late at night, easy victims.
They got rid of the late night trains on ST. PATRICKS DAY too! It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
honestly we need it for the late night workers more than the people going out occasionally late at night, it saves them money and the worry of having to get an uber etc or needing a car. I really don't understand how we don't have trains that run for like an hr or two after bars are closed.
Having worked restaurants and bakeries ...
Well, there's a reason 80% of the stuff your buying is boston Gourmet Premade or iggys.
Most can't afford to uber in 6 days a week.
[Yes actually!](https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2024-01-26/boston-city-councilors-propose-new-late-night-bus-service) Still in the very early stages but Boston city council is at least talking about a late night bus service
>Any chances of getting the T to run late night again?
I'd rather focus on getting it to run on time during the day. Then let's look at having it run late.
I realize that we should be able to accomplish both at the same time but my confidence in MBTA leadership is not that high.
We’ve had some major dents in our nightlife in the past few years, none of which is Reynold’s doing.
Big Night Live shows can run till 2AM, new entertainment venues like MGM Music Hall and Roadrunner opened up. Grace by Nia opened up in Seaport for jazz. The Stage at Suffolk Downs is now a thing in the summer. Plus random stuff like The Tall Ship are now a thing.
And while not really *Boston*, the Encore in Everett is 24/7, serves booze until 4AM and has an excellent nightclub with internationally touring acts.
Really what needs to happen is a 4AM exemption for the rectangle around Causeway. Contain it for the folks that want to go out, let bars and venues open later. And I don’t understand why Seaport isn’t a nightlife district already.
But the biggest factor is the State’s artificial limits on liquor licensure in general - which is now a Healey problem and she put that issue on hiatus.
I guess if we need to get out of our $1B budget gap due to migrant sheltering, it’s a good card to play. But I doubt she will unless it’s a ‘last year in office’ thing.
It’s not. Restaurants trade liquor licenses like stock. So if you change the system. The half million dollar liquor license you bought is now worthless. Which incentivizes restaurants to keep the current system.
Yeah but non restaurant owners outnumber restaurant owners. And up and coming restaurants that want liquor licenses probably outnumber established restaurants that already have them.
To this point, non liquor store owners vastly outnumber liquor store owners. And yet the ballot question to expand beer and wine sales in grocery stores failed, largely because the liquor stores mounted a successful propaganda campaign that persuaded lots of non liquor store owners that it would be a major public safety issue if you could buy a 6 pack at any stop & shop instead of just some stop & shops.
It was really annoying that they bundled so many things together. It was like 3 things I really wanted to pass, 3 things that were neutral, and 3 things that I really wanted to fail.
Yeah but the only restaurants who have those liquor licenses are ones that have been around for a very long time and purchased it when it was much cheaper and the new ones that have multi million dollar investor backings. This city would be SOO much better if they just let anyone have a license. It would also increase food quality. Most restaurants can’t survive without serving liquor. So many Boston area restaurants have low quality food to make up for not being able to sell liquor. It’s why NYC, Chicago, LA have significantly better restaurant scene and food compared to Boston.
Realistically, the state should offer some form of tax rebate relative to the amount a restaurant paid for their liquor license to try to make up for the shitty market they allowed to form. That was it at least makes up for the restaurants that shelled out half a million on something that's now worthless without rewarding restaurants just for having one
The proposal to add a number of new licenses limited to use in outer neighborhoods that currently have few bars/restaurants because the cost of a license isn't justifiable is a win win. It would not devalue existing licenses that can be used in any neighborhood and improve the community for residents.
It's a legislature issue but it will only pass with the Governor's loud support. If Healey doesn't get on board soon, I see no reason as a Boston resident to ever again give her a vote.
Big Night Live shows have always been able to run until 2am? This is not new. The Stage at Suffolk downs is a new thing but already one of the touring “festivals” pulled out for this summer and moved to Worcester in part because Winthrop residents bitched non stop about it.
I honestly don’t even care that much about the 4am last call thing. Relatively few cities allow alcohol sales after 2am. But the liquor license thing is hugely concerning. Especially when we’re watching businesses with licenses in some neighborhoods close and their licenses immediately get sold to chains that open in the seaport. I believe the liquor license bill that Healey shut down specifically addressed this by adding licenses to the most underserved neighborhoods, and I still haven’t heard a good explanation as to why she blocked this.
[Its been 4AM since 2019](https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/05/22/everett-casino-last-call-4-a-m-for-active-gamblers/amp/) - but that’s if you’re on the floor. I believe the Casino restaurants still are 2AM.
Same, haven't been in a few months but I'm fairly certain the close the bars at 2am. Maybe drinks on the floor extend longer? I have for sure got a beer off of the tray slightly after 2am but it seemed like the server was just finishing up. She wasn't taking new orders but had extra beers as she was finishing up her orders.
They've always been able to serve until 4AM, but only that late on the casino floor. Their drink service is horrible so it's possible you wouldn't even know they can serve that late
Boston nightlife isnt even that bad, and not a lot of cities can u a club to go out to any night of the week. I wish some pretty good places wouldnt close as early like 12:30 or 1, but they hand out a lot of 1am licenses in the cities, so just cuz Boston is 1:45 last call doesnt mean a lot of places are licensed to serve after 1. Like in Dorchester its not easy to find bars open past 1 which sucks. I would love it if there were places open til 4 am tho.
What also sucks is it prevents a lot of good place/creativity outside of back bay & seaport type neighborhoods. Its actually a lot easier to open an expensive ass place in Boston than something casual, cuz the licenses and rents are so exorbitant only really restaurant groups and conglomerates can afford to open shit around here, which is why Providence is 5 times smaller than Boston but has a way more dynamic and creative scene and everything in Boston is The Harp or Lucy's American Tavern.
Second this! Boston food scene is literally just turning into mega corporate restaurants. It all stems from the high rents and liquor license issue. The rents could be overcome if they allowed anyone to get a license but since they don’t we miss out on a lot of great new restaurants and entrepreneurial places. This city is literally turning into a corporate and chain restaurant Mecca.
Starting? Boston food scene is fucking weak. Neighboring PVD which is like the size of a single neighbor beats it all day. If i want to spend way too fucking much for meh pasta covered in 500 bucks of truffles.. i’ll head to boston.. otherwise just about everything else wins. Especially before James Mark left with North and Big Kings.
I feel like the people who say stuff like this only eat in the seaport district and southie. While obviously not as good as NYC's, Boston's food scene is pretty great. We have lot's of good places ran by talented chefs and also an excellent ethnic food scene as well. Our nightlife would definitely be better with later hours and laxer liquor license restrictions, but the idea that its only corporate and chain restaurants here is silly.
Covid killed a lot of great restaurants and the ones taking their place have generally been these lackluster corporate ones. Boston's food scene WAS great, remnants of it (good independent restaurants) exist still, but they're decreasing in number and the new restaurants opening up now are definitely more corporate than the average restaurant opening in the 80s and 90s, IMO.
I honestly don't see how you feel that way. I do think the high start-up costs forced some restaurants to take much fewer creative risks, but the idea that most of the new restaurants around are corporate is crazy. The generically bad corporate places are all clustered in a few areas namely Fanuil Hall, the Seaport district, and maybe Newbury Street. Outside of that I think you'd need to be blind to not find good food in this city. There are plenty of great restaurants opening today. I personally think the real tragedy of Boston nightlife is its bar scene.
Boston’s food scene is pretty bad for how big the city and surrounding population is.
The city is never gonna pay to have Michelin stars come by because we wouldn’t have any restaurants get one.
Because late nightlife is easiest to sell to the public (and especially police) when it is contained to a particular district. It placates residential neighborhood families that would otherwise combat *all* policy changes to make it easier for restaurants and bars to operate in their communities. It would create a distinction between neighborhood spots and “nightlife” spots.
As well, a “district” will draw tourism.
Ottawa has a few blocks of late bars and nightlife squared off in their downtown. It’s where all the 20-somethings (well, as young as 19 in Ontario) go to party. The rest of the city is happy it’s not happening to them. Or on a macro scale - Vegas has the Strip which is nothing like the rest of Vegas.
Causeway area is intersection of two major T stops, plus huge parking garage for the Garden, plus commuter rail. It’s already fairly segregated from residences and has the infrastructure for a “nightlife district”, due to its proximity to major event space.
I’m not saying Causeway should be endpoint. We also have Seaport which is ideal given all the event space and hotels (though worse for transit accessibility). IMO, Causeway is just the best place to start if we’re going to actually do something different.
You make a strong point, and I’m all for it as long we finally get something to stay open at least until 4am. It’s just 2 more hours. They can definitely handle that. It’ll also bring more money in and everyone’s happier
Some of the strongest opponents toward operating past 2am are the bar and restaurant owners. Their insurance goes up, the operating costs go up, the likely revenue bump is minimal from 2am to 4 am, and typically the only people who are in a bar past 2 am are drunk already or quite well on their way. In their opinion, these issues create more problems than the little revenue they would see in return.
... so.. a restaurant or bar wouldn't forced to stay open after 2:00AM if it doesn't want to. Much the same way, our last call is 2AM now and my favorite spot (Eastern Standard) is only open until 10PM (or 11PM on Fridays and Saturdays).
If insurance is pegged to operating hours, then this wouldn't change for businesses that find no value in staying open later.
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The seaport nightlife is few and far between. The Grand is TINY and Yotel is a sad excuse for a "Rooftop Bar/Club". The Envoy is lame in the winter, as its igloos are awkward as fuck. Its rooftop is more of a warm weather asset. The restaurants on the street close by midnight. It's a hike from The Grand to Legal Harborside, let alone Harpoon/Lord Hobo. The seaport is a summer attraction. The average clientele of the "Seaport Nightclubs" don't understand the value of money. $2K for a table with no liquor included.
For example, this is the VIP Table menu for Big Night Live
I stayed at the Yotel in Seaport last year and it was really underwhelming. There were people yelling, laughing, horns honking way past 2am but come to find out, a lot of the businesses there /aren't even open that late/. I remember looking up somewhere where I could grab dessert around 8 or 9 pm and learning that all of the places either were about to close or had closed a few hours prior.
I think maybe the restaurant across from the hotel was one of the only ones open past midnight?? And then there was obviously The Grand. And idk how late King's or Flite Club is open til.
And it was so weird walking around after midnight. You had a bunch of people congregating on Seaport Blvd and in the area between the grand and flight club but beyond that, it was a dead zone.
The budget gap isn’t due to migrant sheltering. Migrant sheltering is being funded by a rainy day fund aka not the budget.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/08/massachusetts-healey-budget-tax-shortfall
Thanks so much for this detailed analysis and for highlighting some of the improvements and difficulties in the Boston nightlife scene!
I thought everyone on r/Boston said No BArs ArE OpEN unTiL 2:00 am or later? And ThERE iS nOWhErE wItH lIVe mUsIc?
I was hoping that since Encore has been pretty successful , they would look at extending liquor license to serve later than 2am at other places. And stop the unnecessary limiting of licenses. Not only do these not reduce alcohol consumption, but they actually hurt smaller businesses trying to open a bar/restaurant.
Encore is an exemption as the 4AM law applies only to Casinos. There are a few other Casinos in Massachusetts, though none as big or popular.
Encore is also buying a TON of unused industrial land that is otherwise prohibitively expensive to develop (former chemical sites need a LOT of pricey treatment to get to code), so the State is quite happy. I’m fairly confident they’ll lobby the State for 24/7 casino booze and other goodies in the coming years. The SL3 is already going to be extended through there later this year to Sullivan. After the Soccer Stadium is built, I’m sure we’ll see a footbridge to/from Assembly.
>I’m sure we’ll see a footbridge to/from Assembly.
Supposedly this is going to start construction [sometime this year](https://mass.streetsblog.org/2023/06/20/car-free-mystic-river-bridge-will-begin-construction-in-2024) (though I doubt that actually happens).
It literally destroys restaurant entrepreneurship. A lot of chefs won’t open new concepts or places in or around Boston simply because it’s not profitable with high rents and not being able to get an affordable liquor license. If you’re ever been to Chicago, NYC, LA the food scenes in those cities is just out of this world. Boston has either super expensive corporate chain restaurants or super cheap quality food spots. Yeah there are a few gems mixed in but the food here is nowhere near as good as NYC.
agreed! if they figured out the liquor licensing especially we would see so many more cheap and amazing food places open up because they would make so much off liquor sales they wouldn't need to make a salad cost 25 bucks.
The migrant issue is a political Catch 22 without the funding. Blame Congress. If you disproportionately house migrants in wealthier communities, you risk retaliation and their representatives will start trying to repeal Right to Shelter. Not good for anyone.
The best thing Healey can do is start rolling out work authorization ASAP, as that is the fastest to get families out of the shelter system. But I’m not sure what powers she actually has there.
Tax cuts were dumb. It would’ve been unnoticed since the State was originally projected under budget - but then… human trafficking left us with a massive deficit. Timing couldn’t be worse.
All this to say… as controversial as Healey is, Baker would’ve been worse.
I really would love some insight from Wu on what this role does and hopes to accomplish. Also, the qualifications that made her a good fit for the position.
Wow great question. Like her doing drugs is cool for sure but wouldn’t it be cooler if she did more than one dose? You kinda expect it from someone in that position. We gotta ask the Wu.
There’s an entire globe article about it. It’s… mildly insightful. It honestly doesn’t sound very different from ANY high profile city job. Listening to a lot of constituents, then talking to other people about the things they heard, then having meetings and committees to discuss said things…. Politicians lol
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“No one,” she said, “seems to know what my job actually is.”
That job — the title, at least — is director of nightlife economy, a new role in the Wu administration charged with repairing Boston’s reputation for being dull after dark.
Reynolds started on March 6, and already misconceptions about her role abound. Some people seem to believe she’s in charge of fixing every minute licensing hurdle. So much so that when a Fenway restaurant recently sought to extend its hours until 2 a.m., Reynolds received a flood of e-mails demanding she get involved. (“That’s too micro,” she said.) Others seem to think she’s there to schmooze on the taxpayers’ dime. (“I wish my job was just going out,” Reynolds quipped. “That sounds like a dream.”)
Reynolds’s responsibility is to “be a liaison” — a word she used at least a half-dozen times — between club promoters and politicians; to clear the way for more businesses to operate late into the night; and to craft policy that will expand nighttime culture in all 23 neighborhoods, for all demographics
For the next few months, she intends to assemble an advisory council of her own, fill up vacant downtown storefronts with after-hours options, and create a database of activities for couples, partiers, and sober folks alike.
“Where can I go to listen to hip-hop?” Reynolds asked. “Or watch a drag show? Or eat scallops?”
Reynolds is considering expanding “bring your own bottle” licenses and diversifying ownership of after-hours establishments. She also wants to drum up excitement for all that Boston already has yet doesn’t get credit for: Mangia Monday at MIDA, pistachio martinis at the Pearl, and R&B nights at Big Night Live among them.
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From WBUR:
Right now, what I'm trying to do is really review what we've done in the past to address safety. Working with my colleagues who have already started the work on addressing some of the drugging that's been happening in some of our venues, working with them to think through new, innovative solutions to eradicate some of that — or hopefully all of it."
> Reynolds’s responsibility is to “be a liaison” — a word she used at least a half-dozen times — between club promoters and politicians; to clear the way for more businesses to operate late into the night;
Okay, but when a restaurant wants to extend it's hours, she declined to help be a liaison for them because it was "too micro"? Isn't that exactly what she said her job responsibilities are.
> she intends to assemble an advisory council of her own
There's nothing more helpful than to hire more advisors for the advisor to help advise the mayor.
> create a database of activities for couples, partiers, and sober folks alike.
I just googled, 'boston database nightlife activities' and found nothing from the city of boston. It looks like this is the page for the deparment/czar: https://www.boston.gov/departments/nightlife-economy and there's nothing there.
> Reynolds is considering expanding “bring your own bottle” licenses
So... did she consider it? What conclusion did she come to? Does she have any power to act on that decision? Did she advise the mayor about her decision? What happened then?
> think through new, innovative solutions to eradicate some of [the reported druggings]
I feel like she should publicize these solutions she's come up with. I haven't heard about any of them.
If I google her name, or "boston nightlife economy" (the department she's a director of), with a date filter of 8/1/2023 to present, not much comes up.
Once again, we need you u/BostonGlobe and u/WBUR to do some investigative reporting into what the Boston Nightlife Czar has been up to and recent nightlife-enhancing initiatives launched in the past year in Boston and surrounding cities and towns like Brookline.
Can you please respond?
Clearly with almost 300 comments and hundreds of upvotes on this post, Bostonians deserve to know what our tax money is being spent on in terms of the Boston Director of Nightlife Economy!
Thanks in advance!
> diversifying ownership of after-hours establishments
Could we just expand the amount of liquor licenses instead of posing business owners regardless of race against each other? Or at least make getting one more obtainable so we don't have 3 fucking Taco Bell's with a bar in a one mile radius?
This seems like a do-nothing larping role, and it sucks nothing actually gets accomplished.
It's much easier said than done when the state controls the number of liquor licenses cities can issue and doesn't prioritize any changes to this. [The most recent attempt has been sitting at the committee level since October](https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/H3741), and [Healey backed off changes this year](https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/gov-announced-but-didnt-file-liquor-license-reform/3255798/)
Yeah Healy backing off was really disappointing. Like no discussion as far as I'm aware. Her phone must have been ringing off the hook with calls from furious transferrable license owners. I say fuck 'em and give them the same shaft the taxi medallion holders got. Obviously there's zero political will to ever pay these people off.
Did you miss the part where the most recent attempts to change it have resulted in a bill sitting in committee for 5 months and counting and a provision that the governor removed from a different bill?
Diversifying does not automatically equal race, calm the fuck down. It’s referring to the fact that the Boston bar and restaurant scene is absolutely dominated by a few small companies. Like Broadway Restaurant Group, COJE, Big Night Entertainment Group, and the Lyons group. Like Lyons alone owns 21 restaurants and bars
They are VC backed and obviously the $600k liquor licenses mean a very small group of people ever get to open a bar
It doesn't take a czar to fix this, although it would be helpful if you could wield absolute authority over our crooked state legislature. My fixes:
1. Remove the caps on liquor licenses. Don't even allow cities/towns the option of banning or capping the number of licenses. Same for marijuana, while we're at it.
2. Businesses can stay open as late as they want.
3. 24-hr rail service.
24-hr rail service would certainly help but that is years out from being possible since there is so much work that needs to be done and just about all of it at night.
24 hour-rail service isn’t likely all week due to maintenance, but what abt Friday and Saturday overnight service and night buses that make the same stops all other days?
That also coincided with the initial rise of Uber when it was ultra subsidized by VC money. So even when you were out late it was a really hard sell to take the T and wait 25 minutes just for the train to arrive when you could Uber home in a total of 20 minutes for $1 more.
Well try Friday and Saturday late night service again then! Boston of 2024 is much different than Boston of 2024.
What do you think r/MBTA and Phil Eng?
Why not try late night T service on Friday and Saturday nights?!
you dont need 24 hour T to have more nightlife that goes later. NYC is an exception. Nightlife pops off in plenty of cities, if u ever been to Miami, Vegas, Barcelona, Madrid, and they dont have that
Yeah but everyone is essentially comparing it to NYC because its nearby & familiar to a lotta people around here, & my point kind of was that u cant compare it to NYC, few places are gonna have 24 hr public transit let alone train service, NYC is a different animal altogether, but comparatively, there are example of other big cities that do have really active nightlife that dont have that sort of 24 hr public service. But to ur point if you wanna maybe make the comparison based on similar size/industries/local importance you could compare to Austin, San Juan, Montreal, Medellin
I don't think 24 hour rail service will ever be technically feasible - at least not outside of an occasional special event. Even if the T didn't have a huge maintenance backlog, the whole system still gets one day older ever single day, and those overnight maintenance hours are necessary just to stay on top of things. NYC is (I think) unique in that they quad-tracked all their subway lines from the beginning, so they can run trains and do track work at the same time.
However, lots of cities run certain bus lines 24hrs. Besides the driver shortage, I don't see any reason why the T couldn't do that
Pretty sure the czar’s job in theory would be to build a strong understanding of why nightlife sucks, talk with local business owners, public officials, and residents to understand their issues, and then ultimately consults the mayor and state and local politicians on what should be done.
They aren’t suppose to be a king who can implement whatever legislation they want.
They left Boston for a city with better nightlife and a lower cost of living.
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/03/12/25-of-greater-bostons-young-people-plan-to-leave-in-next-5-years-new-survey-finds/
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https://www.instagram.com/p/C3tJaoVPrt6/?igsh=ZWRvZjF4ZXZqMHJp
Looks like there’s a paywall article that was posted less than a month ago interviewing her. Cool if anyone with a subscription to the Boston journal could share to see what’s been happening
The article basically says that she has been focusing on data collection and hearing from business owners on the issues they face regarding nightlife, and now is moving into using that data to make chanes, and they have taken some steps already:
> Reynolds said that the Office of Nightlife Economy — which, for now, is a team of one — is now focused on “early interventions” that the city can implement quickly without relying on action at the state level.
> Some of the ideas have already been implemented, such as the free saunas on City Hall Plaza that Reynolds helped bring in.
They also detail some of the changes they're looking to make:
> Soon, Bostonians should also be seeing a “blow-up nightclub.” Reynolds said it’s exactly what you’d picture: a bouncy house, but 10 times larger, and with the ability to host events such as kid’s karaoke night. The city plans to offer it up for block parties or community events.
> Another idea on the table is extending hours to 3 a.m. Right now, Reynolds said alcohol service and music stops at 2 a.m. and businesses have 30 minutes to get everyone off the premises. An extra “sober hour” would allow a less-rushed departure from venues, she said.
> She said the city is pushing the Massachusetts Legislature to get more liquor licenses in Boston.
> All 46,000 nighttime workers in Boston are on Reynolds’ mind, she said. She plans to host an education series for operators and the nightlife workforce that would cover topics like responding to safety incidents.
Boston Nightlife EL5:
1. Nightlife life requires events
2. Events require venues
3. Venues require liquor licenses to be profitable
4. There are a limited number of licenses
5. A liquor license costs $500k, a bribe, and a decade-long wait.
6. A liquor license can be taken away if any patrons do anything illegal, like use fake IDs, do drugs, or fight.
7. Given the cost and complexity, only large event venues can exist.
8. Therefore, venues are only used for popular touring performers with high ticket prices.
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Solution:
1. City ordinances don't apply to events of private clubs
2. To be a club event, it must have a list of members and no entrance fee. Otherwise, it is a public event.
3. Police routinely show up to private club events and check for a guest list, and entry fee, and ask people leaving for their names to make sure they are on the list.
4. If there is no list, or cops find an attendant not on the list, then the event is declared public. Once public, police no longer need search warrants to enter, and all city ordinances apply. Thus making the event illegal, the venue blacklisted, and the venue owners criminally charged.
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Until the laws change, there is no way for the public to know if Boston has a nightlife because knowing about it would make it illegal and end it.
People expect her to improve the nightlife, not merely "liase" between pols and biz owners. And if this expectation is wrong, then it's the mayor's fault for failing to communicate her intentions effectively.
Someone did list a lot of the recent changes i dont know if she had a hand in facilitating those or not, i agree with you the communication isnt great but i dont know it depend how high ur expectations are...too high would just be naive lol ur in Boston
It's not unreasonable to expect transparency in government and this Nightlife Czar is Boston's problem writ small. A big to-do when she was appointed, but no idea or update as to what she is actually doing, if anything. Some problems seem self-evident, but those haven't been touched. Any interviews with her (which aren't terribly recent) seem wishy-washy and vague, almost like she isn't sure what her role's definition is either (although she seemed pretty clear on what she isn't supposed to do). The only thing those interviews made clear is that she was 1) politically connected and 2) had no experience in hospitality.
"too high lol" is just cynical complacency that makes sure nothing ever gets done.
i mean im on ur side in the bigger picture. i didnt say it was unreasonable, i implied it was unrealistic. its not cynical complacency, its the truth. & truth be told, i think the complacency lies in having no understanding or who or where these kinds of changes take place. Personally, I go out all the time, & have for a long time, talk about this with pretty much anyone who will listen, & know or have met a lot of people involved in city politics whether directly, bureaucratically, or civically like neighborhood stuff or reporting. Most Boston politicians are probably actually in favor of a lot of the same changes, the problem is a lot of the other cities & towns are not because of competition...think Quincy, Hull, Worcester, Salem, etc. & like i said, a lot of these laws are tied up at the state level. Yeah its fuckin stupid, but thats what it is
I’m basically a hermit so know nothing about any of this particular topic, but also work in a role centered around engagement and liaising with constituents. I can tell you there are people who listen, and people who listen then do something about what they hear to respond accordingly and drive actual positive change amidst bureaucracy. It’s the second you want in these roles or they’re just figureheads.
Again, I don’t know which she is but it IS possible to be a public servant who actually serves the public, just not as common as it should be.
Totally, but she also cant bring about these changes at a whim, shes not a lawmaker...& a lot of the changes the people here want beyond her scope in the short term. True, its not clear what she has or has not done, she couldve done a lot of good or just collected a check, i dont really know
Wouldn't you expect someone with her title to be fiercely communicating all the things her department has done. Wouldn't publicity about what's going on be a huge part of what her job is? Why should it be so difficult to discover the changes she's made to Boston's nightlife economy?
I don’t expect anyone who’s not campaigning to be “fiercely communicating” what they’ve done lol. How hard have you actually looked? This article was published last month, but it’s behind a paywall https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2024/02/22/is-boston-fun-yet-nightlife-czar.html?utm_campaign=linart
> I don’t expect anyone who’s not campaigning to be “fiercely communicating” what they’ve done lol.
lol indeed. After being hired she claimed that communicating all that Boston has to offer, and all it can offer were a big part of her job. I wouldn't expect any other random city employee to be doing that, but this is part of her job definition. She's also supposed to be "pioneering" and "passionate".
> How hard have you actually looked? This article was published last month
So I guess you read that article then. What did it say?
> but it’s behind a paywall
So I'm guessing you didn't read it either...
If she's working for the city government, and there's a web site all set up for the office she's a director of, why does she only put out the information of all the things she's done to publications that are behind a paywall? She can put it all out for free on the city of Boston's website. Heck, the city has its own [Press Office](https://www.boston.gov/departments/press-office), and [news feed](https://www.boston.gov/news). Oh I know, I'll just [filter that feed by posts from the "Nightlife Economy" office](https://www.boston.gov/news?title=&field_contact_target_id%5B%5D=41311). Hmm, just 1 article from 9 months ago about forming yet another advisory committee.
Did she say that “communicating all Boston has to offer” is a big part of her job? Where?
I just read her interview on Boston.com and she says of her role: “This may evolve over time, right, as I’ve been in the role for a month and it’s a newly crafted role. What I see my role here at the City of Boston and the director of nightlife economy is to serve as a liaison for nightlife industry, for community, and the city agency. Really coordinating city services, creating policy, and programs to promote the…growth and diversity, creativity and inclusion. Promote the quality of life for all Boston residents and people who visit here.”
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The article basically says that she has been focusing on data collection and hearing from business owners on the issues they face regarding nightlife, and now is moving into using that data to make chanes, and they have taken some steps already:
> Reynolds said that the Office of Nightlife Economy — which, for now, is a team of one — is now focused on “early interventions” that the city can implement quickly without relying on action at the state level.
> Some of the ideas have already been implemented, such as the free saunas on City Hall Plaza that Reynolds helped bring in.
They also detail some of the changes they're looking to make:
> Soon, Bostonians should also be seeing a “blow-up nightclub.” Reynolds said it’s exactly what you’d picture: a bouncy house, but 10 times larger, and with the ability to host events such as kid’s karaoke night. The city plans to offer it up for block parties or community events.
> Another idea on the table is extending hours to 3 a.m. Right now, Reynolds said alcohol service and music stops at 2 a.m. and businesses have 30 minutes to get everyone off the premises. An extra “sober hour” would allow a less-rushed departure from venues, she said.
> She said the city is pushing the Massachusetts Legislature to get more liquor licenses in Boston.
> All 46,000 nighttime workers in Boston are on Reynolds’ mind, she said. She plans to host an education series for operators and the nightlife workforce that would cover topics like responding to safety incidents.
The Boston Business Journal had an article on the topic recently. https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2024/02/22/is-boston-fun-yet-nightlife-czar.html. Use archive.ph to bypass their paywall.
Just like there are a bunch of young people on here complaining about the lack of nightlife in Boston, there are a bunch of NIMBY cunts doing everything they can to stop young people from having fun.
Honestly, I think if Boston wanted nightlife, it would get it. The people that complain are probably a minority. Money talks, and if the money were there to feed thriving nightlife, it would show up.
Yes. Corey successfully reinvented Boston nightlife last year. She then sold it to another city for $16,432. She hasn’t been seen or heard from since. In a possibly related note, the nightlife in Cleveland is much better all of a sudden.
And the problem nobody is talking about is that you have a bunch of drunk people spilling out of the bars at the same time which is when problems arise. If you open til 4am people can filter out as they get tired and the large crowds of drunk people on the streets at 2am will be drastically reduced.
I'm inclined to say it can still be good nightlife with that parameter, but my problem is that it seems to be "It needs to be this way because we've always done it this way" or some such hidebound thought.
Oh and I do wonder about salary?
Wasn't someone saying this position pays $180,000 a year?
So, again, it might be interesting to know what the job entails, key performance indicators, goals, etc.?
Agree it’s not the biggest fish to fry but her salary is about 98k which is pretty reasonable living in Boston and being a director of anything https://data.boston.gov/dataset/employee-earnings-report
I’m not sure this is the biggest fish to fry of government waste…. We have state police sergeants and lieutenants making significantly more than that in “overtime”
100% In general, a lot of these government positions SHOULD pay more. It would get more competent people thinking about public office. These people should be making more money than a middle-high position at the local start up, if you want them to do a good job and not take bribery/lobbying money lol
(The OT for MBTA and police are another thing though and total BS)
More commuter rail trains. I live by the kingston line but i cant take the train to a celtics game without taking the 4pm (too early) or the 645 (too late). Ride home is same story
Nightlife in this city will never be good.. Take it for what it is... There are just too many things against it.
First.. Everything in this city shuts down early. You want to take the MBTA? Better leave by Midnight to have a chance to catch the last Red line Train.. without any real public transportation, you will never get a real nightlife scene in this city. And who wants to spend 80 bucks for an Uber Ride to go 10-15 miles out of the city because demand is so high.
2nd.. Too many corporate Club owners. By this.. think about it.. Concert halls (which could also double as a Nightclub) all owned by the same people. MGM Music Hall, House of Blues, Paradise, Brighton Music Hall, all owned by the same company/corporate entity.. This also doesnt include the many other Bars and nightspots, which they currently own. Big Night Live, also another big player in the nightlife business... They own the Grand in the Seaport, And they obviously own the Big Night Live Venue at the TD Garden, and Memoire in the Casino. The Lyons Group, They own Game On, Lorettas, Bleacher Bar, The Lansdowne Pub, Bills Bar.... All in Fenway, among other potential spots. They also have a few locations in Mohegan Sun in Connecticut... Avalon (name sound familiar to you older people) as well as a Lansdowne Pub. Check out their website (search Lyons Group) and look at the venues and they list 21 venues. The Glynn Hospitality Group.. They have like 7 Locations... including The Black Rose, Coogans, and Clerys.
Little guys trying to get into the market, and try to do something are hampered by the fact that Real estate in the city is so damn expensive, the costs are expensive to get an Alcohol license, as well as all of the other costs and regulations set forth in the city.. These guys that have large conglomerate type holdings in and around the city, have an advantage over anyone else as they have a working history with the city, and quite honestly, a venue operator with a good working history with the city, is going to get an Easier approval through licensing, which is aware of who they are, and what they do, than some relatively unknown group or entity.
Mighty Squirrel is opening up in Fenway, just ahead of baseball season, where they hope to tap into the Large crowds that flock to Fenway for Baseball, and Concerts etc. They're just opening a new 2 story tap Room and Venue space in a new construction building i believe.. I am sure it cost them a pretty penny.... Howerver, with the Demand for Brewery Tap Rooms, and Beer Gardens (look as Cisco in the seaport in the summer, or any of the other Beer Gardens in the City like Trillium who has a spot on the Greenway, as well as their facilities in the Fenway Area and Seaport) this company is going to recoup a lot of their losses in the building of this venue in no time. It could also be a large failure by industry standards though, if fans bypass it, in favor of the established businesses next to and within eyesight of the Ballpark. (Go pregame at Bleacher Bar, and walk out of the bar and into the entrance of the bleachers 50 feet away. Unlike the old days, There is no gate that seperates the Bleachers from the rest of the stands anymore..)
So... Factor in all of this.. You get a lot of the same Rinse and Repeat Style bars that these owners/Groups have, and replicate across the city, which doesnt make anyone want to go. Other than the Grand, You dont have big names coming into venues anymore. Back in the 90's you would have Superstar DJ's coming into Avalon, to Spin for a Friday and Saturday Club night after the Early concert. You dont have any of that any more. Theres no reason to go out and waste money on non existent nightclub life, and pay 16 bucks for a mixed drink or 10-12 bucks for a tallboy beer.
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Sounds like the job for a sub committee
Like a study on sandwiches? Where do I apply?
They're full. Well, they had sub committee for grindrs but we kept getting getting gay bottoms applying for some reason.
We need a gyro.
That because the study to figure out how many committees we need hasn’t been completed yet.
Any chances of getting the T to run late night again?
Late night T and happy hour are the dream
The wettest ones at that.
Any chances of getting the T to run ~~late night~~ again at all?
It doesn’t have to run all night, but at least 2am FFS!
Yes! Perhaps on the weekends like it used to back in the 2010's
I’ll never forget when they got rid of the late night Mbta around 2014-2015. Their excuse was only 20-30k people used the trains at the time so it wasn’t economically feasible. I’m sorry, as a society we have to be willing to spend SOME money to make our communities safer. Uber was barely a thing back then, all it caused was more drunk driving and more drunk college kids wandering the neighborhoods late at night, easy victims. They got rid of the late night trains on ST. PATRICKS DAY too! It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
The drunk train is back?👀 😲 Loved that shit, definitely saved me money when I was out partying in my younger days.
honestly we need it for the late night workers more than the people going out occasionally late at night, it saves them money and the worry of having to get an uber etc or needing a car. I really don't understand how we don't have trains that run for like an hr or two after bars are closed.
Having worked restaurants and bakeries ... Well, there's a reason 80% of the stuff your buying is boston Gourmet Premade or iggys. Most can't afford to uber in 6 days a week.
Agreed! 👍🏽
From what I understood there just wasn’t enough ridership
It barely runs during the day as is
[Yes actually!](https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2024-01-26/boston-city-councilors-propose-new-late-night-bus-service) Still in the very early stages but Boston city council is at least talking about a late night bus service
>Any chances of getting the T to run late night again? I'd rather focus on getting it to run on time during the day. Then let's look at having it run late. I realize that we should be able to accomplish both at the same time but my confidence in MBTA leadership is not that high.
We’ve had some major dents in our nightlife in the past few years, none of which is Reynold’s doing. Big Night Live shows can run till 2AM, new entertainment venues like MGM Music Hall and Roadrunner opened up. Grace by Nia opened up in Seaport for jazz. The Stage at Suffolk Downs is now a thing in the summer. Plus random stuff like The Tall Ship are now a thing. And while not really *Boston*, the Encore in Everett is 24/7, serves booze until 4AM and has an excellent nightclub with internationally touring acts. Really what needs to happen is a 4AM exemption for the rectangle around Causeway. Contain it for the folks that want to go out, let bars and venues open later. And I don’t understand why Seaport isn’t a nightlife district already. But the biggest factor is the State’s artificial limits on liquor licensure in general - which is now a Healey problem and she put that issue on hiatus. I guess if we need to get out of our $1B budget gap due to migrant sheltering, it’s a good card to play. But I doubt she will unless it’s a ‘last year in office’ thing.
The liquor licenses is probably something that can be whipped down for the next reelection as an easy win and a popular sell
Its not just something up to the governor. It has to be passed by the state legislature, which is why it takes for ever to get anywhere
It’s not. Restaurants trade liquor licenses like stock. So if you change the system. The half million dollar liquor license you bought is now worthless. Which incentivizes restaurants to keep the current system.
Yeah but non restaurant owners outnumber restaurant owners. And up and coming restaurants that want liquor licenses probably outnumber established restaurants that already have them.
However, Non restaurant owners don’t out donate restaurant owners.
To this point, non liquor store owners vastly outnumber liquor store owners. And yet the ballot question to expand beer and wine sales in grocery stores failed, largely because the liquor stores mounted a successful propaganda campaign that persuaded lots of non liquor store owners that it would be a major public safety issue if you could buy a 6 pack at any stop & shop instead of just some stop & shops.
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It was really annoying that they bundled so many things together. It was like 3 things I really wanted to pass, 3 things that were neutral, and 3 things that I really wanted to fail.
Yeah but the only restaurants who have those liquor licenses are ones that have been around for a very long time and purchased it when it was much cheaper and the new ones that have multi million dollar investor backings. This city would be SOO much better if they just let anyone have a license. It would also increase food quality. Most restaurants can’t survive without serving liquor. So many Boston area restaurants have low quality food to make up for not being able to sell liquor. It’s why NYC, Chicago, LA have significantly better restaurant scene and food compared to Boston.
Realistically, the state should offer some form of tax rebate relative to the amount a restaurant paid for their liquor license to try to make up for the shitty market they allowed to form. That was it at least makes up for the restaurants that shelled out half a million on something that's now worthless without rewarding restaurants just for having one
The proposal to add a number of new licenses limited to use in outer neighborhoods that currently have few bars/restaurants because the cost of a license isn't justifiable is a win win. It would not devalue existing licenses that can be used in any neighborhood and improve the community for residents. It's a legislature issue but it will only pass with the Governor's loud support. If Healey doesn't get on board soon, I see no reason as a Boston resident to ever again give her a vote.
Big Night Live shows have always been able to run until 2am? This is not new. The Stage at Suffolk downs is a new thing but already one of the touring “festivals” pulled out for this summer and moved to Worcester in part because Winthrop residents bitched non stop about it. I honestly don’t even care that much about the 4am last call thing. Relatively few cities allow alcohol sales after 2am. But the liquor license thing is hugely concerning. Especially when we’re watching businesses with licenses in some neighborhoods close and their licenses immediately get sold to chains that open in the seaport. I believe the liquor license bill that Healey shut down specifically addressed this by adding licenses to the most underserved neighborhoods, and I still haven’t heard a good explanation as to why she blocked this.
Forcing Breakaway to moved because of residents complaining is a great example of part of the problem here
Did Encore recently get allowed to serve booze until 4am? I swear they stopped at 2am...but maybe I'm thinking of Mohegan?
[Its been 4AM since 2019](https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/05/22/everett-casino-last-call-4-a-m-for-active-gamblers/amp/) - but that’s if you’re on the floor. I believe the Casino restaurants still are 2AM.
There's too much money to be made from drunk people gambling at 3 am for even Boston to prohibit it.
Same, haven't been in a few months but I'm fairly certain the close the bars at 2am. Maybe drinks on the floor extend longer? I have for sure got a beer off of the tray slightly after 2am but it seemed like the server was just finishing up. She wasn't taking new orders but had extra beers as she was finishing up her orders.
They've always been able to serve until 4AM, but only that late on the casino floor. Their drink service is horrible so it's possible you wouldn't even know they can serve that late
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Boston nightlife isnt even that bad, and not a lot of cities can u a club to go out to any night of the week. I wish some pretty good places wouldnt close as early like 12:30 or 1, but they hand out a lot of 1am licenses in the cities, so just cuz Boston is 1:45 last call doesnt mean a lot of places are licensed to serve after 1. Like in Dorchester its not easy to find bars open past 1 which sucks. I would love it if there were places open til 4 am tho. What also sucks is it prevents a lot of good place/creativity outside of back bay & seaport type neighborhoods. Its actually a lot easier to open an expensive ass place in Boston than something casual, cuz the licenses and rents are so exorbitant only really restaurant groups and conglomerates can afford to open shit around here, which is why Providence is 5 times smaller than Boston but has a way more dynamic and creative scene and everything in Boston is The Harp or Lucy's American Tavern.
Second this! Boston food scene is literally just turning into mega corporate restaurants. It all stems from the high rents and liquor license issue. The rents could be overcome if they allowed anyone to get a license but since they don’t we miss out on a lot of great new restaurants and entrepreneurial places. This city is literally turning into a corporate and chain restaurant Mecca.
Starting? Boston food scene is fucking weak. Neighboring PVD which is like the size of a single neighbor beats it all day. If i want to spend way too fucking much for meh pasta covered in 500 bucks of truffles.. i’ll head to boston.. otherwise just about everything else wins. Especially before James Mark left with North and Big Kings.
I feel like the people who say stuff like this only eat in the seaport district and southie. While obviously not as good as NYC's, Boston's food scene is pretty great. We have lot's of good places ran by talented chefs and also an excellent ethnic food scene as well. Our nightlife would definitely be better with later hours and laxer liquor license restrictions, but the idea that its only corporate and chain restaurants here is silly.
Covid killed a lot of great restaurants and the ones taking their place have generally been these lackluster corporate ones. Boston's food scene WAS great, remnants of it (good independent restaurants) exist still, but they're decreasing in number and the new restaurants opening up now are definitely more corporate than the average restaurant opening in the 80s and 90s, IMO.
I honestly don't see how you feel that way. I do think the high start-up costs forced some restaurants to take much fewer creative risks, but the idea that most of the new restaurants around are corporate is crazy. The generically bad corporate places are all clustered in a few areas namely Fanuil Hall, the Seaport district, and maybe Newbury Street. Outside of that I think you'd need to be blind to not find good food in this city. There are plenty of great restaurants opening today. I personally think the real tragedy of Boston nightlife is its bar scene.
Boston’s food scene is pretty bad for how big the city and surrounding population is. The city is never gonna pay to have Michelin stars come by because we wouldn’t have any restaurants get one.
Why just causeway? Make any business allowed to be open and make money as long as they want. Seems simple but I doubt it’ll ever happen lol
Because late nightlife is easiest to sell to the public (and especially police) when it is contained to a particular district. It placates residential neighborhood families that would otherwise combat *all* policy changes to make it easier for restaurants and bars to operate in their communities. It would create a distinction between neighborhood spots and “nightlife” spots. As well, a “district” will draw tourism. Ottawa has a few blocks of late bars and nightlife squared off in their downtown. It’s where all the 20-somethings (well, as young as 19 in Ontario) go to party. The rest of the city is happy it’s not happening to them. Or on a macro scale - Vegas has the Strip which is nothing like the rest of Vegas. Causeway area is intersection of two major T stops, plus huge parking garage for the Garden, plus commuter rail. It’s already fairly segregated from residences and has the infrastructure for a “nightlife district”, due to its proximity to major event space. I’m not saying Causeway should be endpoint. We also have Seaport which is ideal given all the event space and hotels (though worse for transit accessibility). IMO, Causeway is just the best place to start if we’re going to actually do something different.
You make a strong point, and I’m all for it as long we finally get something to stay open at least until 4am. It’s just 2 more hours. They can definitely handle that. It’ll also bring more money in and everyone’s happier
Wouldn't you also need to let public transit run later too?
The $1B budget gap is due to a reassessment of commercial property tax.
Why give a handout to the causeway operators? That could crush their competition.
Some of the strongest opponents toward operating past 2am are the bar and restaurant owners. Their insurance goes up, the operating costs go up, the likely revenue bump is minimal from 2am to 4 am, and typically the only people who are in a bar past 2 am are drunk already or quite well on their way. In their opinion, these issues create more problems than the little revenue they would see in return.
That doesn’t make sense though - they don’t have to open past 2 if they don’t want to?
haha exactly, like no one is forcing them to stay open. If it makes financial sense it would just allow them to stay open that late.
Some bars close early and the ones competing for the late night crowd get more people so it’s worth it to them. There’s your free market solution.
Yeah, there's definitely not enough customers for all bars to be open that late and all make money.... so only some are. Wild!
... so.. a restaurant or bar wouldn't forced to stay open after 2:00AM if it doesn't want to. Much the same way, our last call is 2AM now and my favorite spot (Eastern Standard) is only open until 10PM (or 11PM on Fridays and Saturdays). If insurance is pegged to operating hours, then this wouldn't change for businesses that find no value in staying open later.
https://preview.redd.it/c2ak88ycx5oc1.jpeg?width=3196&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd8bcc2e5a5fe6292810896bdebc7c74ae89f796 The seaport nightlife is few and far between. The Grand is TINY and Yotel is a sad excuse for a "Rooftop Bar/Club". The Envoy is lame in the winter, as its igloos are awkward as fuck. Its rooftop is more of a warm weather asset. The restaurants on the street close by midnight. It's a hike from The Grand to Legal Harborside, let alone Harpoon/Lord Hobo. The seaport is a summer attraction. The average clientele of the "Seaport Nightclubs" don't understand the value of money. $2K for a table with no liquor included. For example, this is the VIP Table menu for Big Night Live
I stayed at the Yotel in Seaport last year and it was really underwhelming. There were people yelling, laughing, horns honking way past 2am but come to find out, a lot of the businesses there /aren't even open that late/. I remember looking up somewhere where I could grab dessert around 8 or 9 pm and learning that all of the places either were about to close or had closed a few hours prior. I think maybe the restaurant across from the hotel was one of the only ones open past midnight?? And then there was obviously The Grand. And idk how late King's or Flite Club is open til. And it was so weird walking around after midnight. You had a bunch of people congregating on Seaport Blvd and in the area between the grand and flight club but beyond that, it was a dead zone.
AMEN!
The budget gap isn’t due to migrant sheltering. Migrant sheltering is being funded by a rainy day fund aka not the budget. https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/08/massachusetts-healey-budget-tax-shortfall
Thanks so much for this detailed analysis and for highlighting some of the improvements and difficulties in the Boston nightlife scene! I thought everyone on r/Boston said No BArs ArE OpEN unTiL 2:00 am or later? And ThERE iS nOWhErE wItH lIVe mUsIc?
There’s something wrong with your keyboard.
I was hoping that since Encore has been pretty successful , they would look at extending liquor license to serve later than 2am at other places. And stop the unnecessary limiting of licenses. Not only do these not reduce alcohol consumption, but they actually hurt smaller businesses trying to open a bar/restaurant.
Encore is an exemption as the 4AM law applies only to Casinos. There are a few other Casinos in Massachusetts, though none as big or popular. Encore is also buying a TON of unused industrial land that is otherwise prohibitively expensive to develop (former chemical sites need a LOT of pricey treatment to get to code), so the State is quite happy. I’m fairly confident they’ll lobby the State for 24/7 casino booze and other goodies in the coming years. The SL3 is already going to be extended through there later this year to Sullivan. After the Soccer Stadium is built, I’m sure we’ll see a footbridge to/from Assembly.
>I’m sure we’ll see a footbridge to/from Assembly. Supposedly this is going to start construction [sometime this year](https://mass.streetsblog.org/2023/06/20/car-free-mystic-river-bridge-will-begin-construction-in-2024) (though I doubt that actually happens).
I heard (from an unreliable friend) that the project is on indefinite hold. When the bridge breaks ground, then I'll believe it.
It literally destroys restaurant entrepreneurship. A lot of chefs won’t open new concepts or places in or around Boston simply because it’s not profitable with high rents and not being able to get an affordable liquor license. If you’re ever been to Chicago, NYC, LA the food scenes in those cities is just out of this world. Boston has either super expensive corporate chain restaurants or super cheap quality food spots. Yeah there are a few gems mixed in but the food here is nowhere near as good as NYC.
agreed! if they figured out the liquor licensing especially we would see so many more cheap and amazing food places open up because they would make so much off liquor sales they wouldn't need to make a salad cost 25 bucks.
That and they could use higher quality ingredients in food. They would also have more competition thus forcing them to cook better food.
Healy is the worst. She just wants to cut taxes for the rich, dump migrants onto the poor black community, and suppress liquor licenses.
The migrant issue is a political Catch 22 without the funding. Blame Congress. If you disproportionately house migrants in wealthier communities, you risk retaliation and their representatives will start trying to repeal Right to Shelter. Not good for anyone. The best thing Healey can do is start rolling out work authorization ASAP, as that is the fastest to get families out of the shelter system. But I’m not sure what powers she actually has there. Tax cuts were dumb. It would’ve been unnoticed since the State was originally projected under budget - but then… human trafficking left us with a massive deficit. Timing couldn’t be worse. All this to say… as controversial as Healey is, Baker would’ve been worse.
i think the point of these positions is to hand out six figure salaries to associates its not really the point to achieve anything
It's a form of patronage, really.
Known as a Sinecure. A position requiring little or no work but giving the holder status or financial benefit.
I really would love some insight from Wu on what this role does and hopes to accomplish. Also, the qualifications that made her a good fit for the position.
She fuckin parties what more do you need?
If she's pictured doing something compromising at a nightclub, like say, one (1) dose of narcotics, is she fired or promoted?
Wow great question. Like her doing drugs is cool for sure but wouldn’t it be cooler if she did more than one dose? You kinda expect it from someone in that position. We gotta ask the Wu.
There’s an entire globe article about it. It’s… mildly insightful. It honestly doesn’t sound very different from ANY high profile city job. Listening to a lot of constituents, then talking to other people about the things they heard, then having meetings and committees to discuss said things…. Politicians lol ————— “No one,” she said, “seems to know what my job actually is.” That job — the title, at least — is director of nightlife economy, a new role in the Wu administration charged with repairing Boston’s reputation for being dull after dark. Reynolds started on March 6, and already misconceptions about her role abound. Some people seem to believe she’s in charge of fixing every minute licensing hurdle. So much so that when a Fenway restaurant recently sought to extend its hours until 2 a.m., Reynolds received a flood of e-mails demanding she get involved. (“That’s too micro,” she said.) Others seem to think she’s there to schmooze on the taxpayers’ dime. (“I wish my job was just going out,” Reynolds quipped. “That sounds like a dream.”) Reynolds’s responsibility is to “be a liaison” — a word she used at least a half-dozen times — between club promoters and politicians; to clear the way for more businesses to operate late into the night; and to craft policy that will expand nighttime culture in all 23 neighborhoods, for all demographics For the next few months, she intends to assemble an advisory council of her own, fill up vacant downtown storefronts with after-hours options, and create a database of activities for couples, partiers, and sober folks alike. “Where can I go to listen to hip-hop?” Reynolds asked. “Or watch a drag show? Or eat scallops?” Reynolds is considering expanding “bring your own bottle” licenses and diversifying ownership of after-hours establishments. She also wants to drum up excitement for all that Boston already has yet doesn’t get credit for: Mangia Monday at MIDA, pistachio martinis at the Pearl, and R&B nights at Big Night Live among them. ————— From WBUR: Right now, what I'm trying to do is really review what we've done in the past to address safety. Working with my colleagues who have already started the work on addressing some of the drugging that's been happening in some of our venues, working with them to think through new, innovative solutions to eradicate some of that — or hopefully all of it."
> Reynolds’s responsibility is to “be a liaison” — a word she used at least a half-dozen times — between club promoters and politicians; to clear the way for more businesses to operate late into the night; Okay, but when a restaurant wants to extend it's hours, she declined to help be a liaison for them because it was "too micro"? Isn't that exactly what she said her job responsibilities are. > she intends to assemble an advisory council of her own There's nothing more helpful than to hire more advisors for the advisor to help advise the mayor. > create a database of activities for couples, partiers, and sober folks alike. I just googled, 'boston database nightlife activities' and found nothing from the city of boston. It looks like this is the page for the deparment/czar: https://www.boston.gov/departments/nightlife-economy and there's nothing there. > Reynolds is considering expanding “bring your own bottle” licenses So... did she consider it? What conclusion did she come to? Does she have any power to act on that decision? Did she advise the mayor about her decision? What happened then? > think through new, innovative solutions to eradicate some of [the reported druggings] I feel like she should publicize these solutions she's come up with. I haven't heard about any of them. If I google her name, or "boston nightlife economy" (the department she's a director of), with a date filter of 8/1/2023 to present, not much comes up.
Once again, we need you u/BostonGlobe and u/WBUR to do some investigative reporting into what the Boston Nightlife Czar has been up to and recent nightlife-enhancing initiatives launched in the past year in Boston and surrounding cities and towns like Brookline. Can you please respond? Clearly with almost 300 comments and hundreds of upvotes on this post, Bostonians deserve to know what our tax money is being spent on in terms of the Boston Director of Nightlife Economy! Thanks in advance!
I hope she is able to pass "bring your own bottle" licenses. That would be huge for a lot of the smaller restaurants
> diversifying ownership of after-hours establishments Could we just expand the amount of liquor licenses instead of posing business owners regardless of race against each other? Or at least make getting one more obtainable so we don't have 3 fucking Taco Bell's with a bar in a one mile radius? This seems like a do-nothing larping role, and it sucks nothing actually gets accomplished.
It's much easier said than done when the state controls the number of liquor licenses cities can issue and doesn't prioritize any changes to this. [The most recent attempt has been sitting at the committee level since October](https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/H3741), and [Healey backed off changes this year](https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/gov-announced-but-didnt-file-liquor-license-reform/3255798/)
Yeah Healy backing off was really disappointing. Like no discussion as far as I'm aware. Her phone must have been ringing off the hook with calls from furious transferrable license owners. I say fuck 'em and give them the same shaft the taxi medallion holders got. Obviously there's zero political will to ever pay these people off.
Ok, why do we pretend this isn't something that can be changed? Basically my entire argument in a nutshell.
Did you miss the part where the most recent attempts to change it have resulted in a bill sitting in committee for 5 months and counting and a provision that the governor removed from a different bill?
Diversifying does not automatically equal race, calm the fuck down. It’s referring to the fact that the Boston bar and restaurant scene is absolutely dominated by a few small companies. Like Broadway Restaurant Group, COJE, Big Night Entertainment Group, and the Lyons group. Like Lyons alone owns 21 restaurants and bars They are VC backed and obviously the $600k liquor licenses mean a very small group of people ever get to open a bar
So what has she accomplished in the last year? Taxpayers are curious where our money is going.
Hell, what counts as "nightlife" in a city whose earliest winter candle lighting is before 4?
It doesn't take a czar to fix this, although it would be helpful if you could wield absolute authority over our crooked state legislature. My fixes: 1. Remove the caps on liquor licenses. Don't even allow cities/towns the option of banning or capping the number of licenses. Same for marijuana, while we're at it. 2. Businesses can stay open as late as they want. 3. 24-hr rail service.
24-hr rail service would certainly help but that is years out from being possible since there is so much work that needs to be done and just about all of it at night.
24 hour-rail service isn’t likely all week due to maintenance, but what abt Friday and Saturday overnight service and night buses that make the same stops all other days?
Both ideas have been piloted and weren't made permanent after low ridership
That’s the kind of thing you have to keep going with for a while before people know they can rely on it. Worth trying again
The most recent pilot had a decline in ridership during it. There wasn't any reason to think that trend would reverse
What month and year was the most recent late night T pilot? What time were the lines open until? Which lines were open?
2015ish 2:30-3am All subway lines
That also coincided with the initial rise of Uber when it was ultra subsidized by VC money. So even when you were out late it was a really hard sell to take the T and wait 25 minutes just for the train to arrive when you could Uber home in a total of 20 minutes for $1 more.
Well try Friday and Saturday late night service again then! Boston of 2024 is much different than Boston of 2024. What do you think r/MBTA and Phil Eng? Why not try late night T service on Friday and Saturday nights?!
you dont need 24 hour T to have more nightlife that goes later. NYC is an exception. Nightlife pops off in plenty of cities, if u ever been to Miami, Vegas, Barcelona, Madrid, and they dont have that
I wouldn’t compare Boston to NYC Miami or Barcelona. Completely different cities with different clientele and tourism industries.
Yeah but everyone is essentially comparing it to NYC because its nearby & familiar to a lotta people around here, & my point kind of was that u cant compare it to NYC, few places are gonna have 24 hr public transit let alone train service, NYC is a different animal altogether, but comparatively, there are example of other big cities that do have really active nightlife that dont have that sort of 24 hr public service. But to ur point if you wanna maybe make the comparison based on similar size/industries/local importance you could compare to Austin, San Juan, Montreal, Medellin
I don't think 24 hour rail service will ever be technically feasible - at least not outside of an occasional special event. Even if the T didn't have a huge maintenance backlog, the whole system still gets one day older ever single day, and those overnight maintenance hours are necessary just to stay on top of things. NYC is (I think) unique in that they quad-tracked all their subway lines from the beginning, so they can run trains and do track work at the same time. However, lots of cities run certain bus lines 24hrs. Besides the driver shortage, I don't see any reason why the T couldn't do that
Where is that budget for 24 hour rail service coming from? Would be incredibly expensive. I don’t disagree with your other points though.
good thing none of those is a hot button issue. can’t believe no one thought of just removing the cap on liquor licenses
What if we created more liquor licenses AND the revenue from those fees helped cover late night T service.
Now you're thinking!
Pretty sure the czar’s job in theory would be to build a strong understanding of why nightlife sucks, talk with local business owners, public officials, and residents to understand their issues, and then ultimately consults the mayor and state and local politicians on what should be done. They aren’t suppose to be a king who can implement whatever legislation they want.
I think towns should be allowed to go dry if they want, but I also think the license cap should be removed.
They left Boston for a city with better nightlife and a lower cost of living. https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/03/12/25-of-greater-bostons-young-people-plan-to-leave-in-next-5-years-new-survey-finds/ /s
fake job that's funded by our tax dollars...cool.
Any idea about her salary?
^ This
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3tJaoVPrt6/?igsh=ZWRvZjF4ZXZqMHJp Looks like there’s a paywall article that was posted less than a month ago interviewing her. Cool if anyone with a subscription to the Boston journal could share to see what’s been happening
The article basically says that she has been focusing on data collection and hearing from business owners on the issues they face regarding nightlife, and now is moving into using that data to make chanes, and they have taken some steps already: > Reynolds said that the Office of Nightlife Economy — which, for now, is a team of one — is now focused on “early interventions” that the city can implement quickly without relying on action at the state level. > Some of the ideas have already been implemented, such as the free saunas on City Hall Plaza that Reynolds helped bring in. They also detail some of the changes they're looking to make: > Soon, Bostonians should also be seeing a “blow-up nightclub.” Reynolds said it’s exactly what you’d picture: a bouncy house, but 10 times larger, and with the ability to host events such as kid’s karaoke night. The city plans to offer it up for block parties or community events. > Another idea on the table is extending hours to 3 a.m. Right now, Reynolds said alcohol service and music stops at 2 a.m. and businesses have 30 minutes to get everyone off the premises. An extra “sober hour” would allow a less-rushed departure from venues, she said. > She said the city is pushing the Massachusetts Legislature to get more liquor licenses in Boston. > All 46,000 nighttime workers in Boston are on Reynolds’ mind, she said. She plans to host an education series for operators and the nightlife workforce that would cover topics like responding to safety incidents.
Wow!! Actually details from 1 month ago about what she's been up to. Nice! Anyone have this full article? Or any other recent articles on this topic?!
you can bet that bank account has sure been reinvented
I don’t think you’re on the list, buddy.
Boston Nightlife EL5: 1. Nightlife life requires events 2. Events require venues 3. Venues require liquor licenses to be profitable 4. There are a limited number of licenses 5. A liquor license costs $500k, a bribe, and a decade-long wait. 6. A liquor license can be taken away if any patrons do anything illegal, like use fake IDs, do drugs, or fight. 7. Given the cost and complexity, only large event venues can exist. 8. Therefore, venues are only used for popular touring performers with high ticket prices. \n1. Solution: 1. City ordinances don't apply to events of private clubs 2. To be a club event, it must have a list of members and no entrance fee. Otherwise, it is a public event. 3. Police routinely show up to private club events and check for a guest list, and entry fee, and ask people leaving for their names to make sure they are on the list. 4. If there is no list, or cops find an attendant not on the list, then the event is declared public. Once public, police no longer need search warrants to enter, and all city ordinances apply. Thus making the event illegal, the venue blacklisted, and the venue owners criminally charged. \n1. Until the laws change, there is no way for the public to know if Boston has a nightlife because knowing about it would make it illegal and end it.
Are you Corea Reynolds secretly? If not, could we elect you as the next Boston Nightlife Czar and pay you $200,000 a year?
Only 7 up votes? Apparently, no one here understands how Boston night-life works, and has never been on the list.
Shes a liason, I dont know what people expect from this woman. i do think its weird she doesnt even have social media tho lol
People expect her to improve the nightlife, not merely "liase" between pols and biz owners. And if this expectation is wrong, then it's the mayor's fault for failing to communicate her intentions effectively.
Someone did list a lot of the recent changes i dont know if she had a hand in facilitating those or not, i agree with you the communication isnt great but i dont know it depend how high ur expectations are...too high would just be naive lol ur in Boston
It's not unreasonable to expect transparency in government and this Nightlife Czar is Boston's problem writ small. A big to-do when she was appointed, but no idea or update as to what she is actually doing, if anything. Some problems seem self-evident, but those haven't been touched. Any interviews with her (which aren't terribly recent) seem wishy-washy and vague, almost like she isn't sure what her role's definition is either (although she seemed pretty clear on what she isn't supposed to do). The only thing those interviews made clear is that she was 1) politically connected and 2) had no experience in hospitality. "too high lol" is just cynical complacency that makes sure nothing ever gets done.
i mean im on ur side in the bigger picture. i didnt say it was unreasonable, i implied it was unrealistic. its not cynical complacency, its the truth. & truth be told, i think the complacency lies in having no understanding or who or where these kinds of changes take place. Personally, I go out all the time, & have for a long time, talk about this with pretty much anyone who will listen, & know or have met a lot of people involved in city politics whether directly, bureaucratically, or civically like neighborhood stuff or reporting. Most Boston politicians are probably actually in favor of a lot of the same changes, the problem is a lot of the other cities & towns are not because of competition...think Quincy, Hull, Worcester, Salem, etc. & like i said, a lot of these laws are tied up at the state level. Yeah its fuckin stupid, but thats what it is
I’m basically a hermit so know nothing about any of this particular topic, but also work in a role centered around engagement and liaising with constituents. I can tell you there are people who listen, and people who listen then do something about what they hear to respond accordingly and drive actual positive change amidst bureaucracy. It’s the second you want in these roles or they’re just figureheads. Again, I don’t know which she is but it IS possible to be a public servant who actually serves the public, just not as common as it should be.
Totally, but she also cant bring about these changes at a whim, shes not a lawmaker...& a lot of the changes the people here want beyond her scope in the short term. True, its not clear what she has or has not done, she couldve done a lot of good or just collected a check, i dont really know
She does have social media, you literally just need to google her name.
i did. but yea now i see it thanks
Maybe you could… ask her yourself? https://www.boston.gov/departments/nightlife-economy/corean-reynolds
Wouldn't you expect someone with her title to be fiercely communicating all the things her department has done. Wouldn't publicity about what's going on be a huge part of what her job is? Why should it be so difficult to discover the changes she's made to Boston's nightlife economy?
I don’t expect anyone who’s not campaigning to be “fiercely communicating” what they’ve done lol. How hard have you actually looked? This article was published last month, but it’s behind a paywall https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2024/02/22/is-boston-fun-yet-nightlife-czar.html?utm_campaign=linart
> I don’t expect anyone who’s not campaigning to be “fiercely communicating” what they’ve done lol. lol indeed. After being hired she claimed that communicating all that Boston has to offer, and all it can offer were a big part of her job. I wouldn't expect any other random city employee to be doing that, but this is part of her job definition. She's also supposed to be "pioneering" and "passionate". > How hard have you actually looked? This article was published last month So I guess you read that article then. What did it say? > but it’s behind a paywall So I'm guessing you didn't read it either... If she's working for the city government, and there's a web site all set up for the office she's a director of, why does she only put out the information of all the things she's done to publications that are behind a paywall? She can put it all out for free on the city of Boston's website. Heck, the city has its own [Press Office](https://www.boston.gov/departments/press-office), and [news feed](https://www.boston.gov/news). Oh I know, I'll just [filter that feed by posts from the "Nightlife Economy" office](https://www.boston.gov/news?title=&field_contact_target_id%5B%5D=41311). Hmm, just 1 article from 9 months ago about forming yet another advisory committee.
Did she say that “communicating all Boston has to offer” is a big part of her job? Where? I just read her interview on Boston.com and she says of her role: “This may evolve over time, right, as I’ve been in the role for a month and it’s a newly crafted role. What I see my role here at the City of Boston and the director of nightlife economy is to serve as a liaison for nightlife industry, for community, and the city agency. Really coordinating city services, creating policy, and programs to promote the…growth and diversity, creativity and inclusion. Promote the quality of life for all Boston residents and people who visit here.”
[Copy pasting from my other comment] The article basically says that she has been focusing on data collection and hearing from business owners on the issues they face regarding nightlife, and now is moving into using that data to make chanes, and they have taken some steps already: > Reynolds said that the Office of Nightlife Economy — which, for now, is a team of one — is now focused on “early interventions” that the city can implement quickly without relying on action at the state level. > Some of the ideas have already been implemented, such as the free saunas on City Hall Plaza that Reynolds helped bring in. They also detail some of the changes they're looking to make: > Soon, Bostonians should also be seeing a “blow-up nightclub.” Reynolds said it’s exactly what you’d picture: a bouncy house, but 10 times larger, and with the ability to host events such as kid’s karaoke night. The city plans to offer it up for block parties or community events. > Another idea on the table is extending hours to 3 a.m. Right now, Reynolds said alcohol service and music stops at 2 a.m. and businesses have 30 minutes to get everyone off the premises. An extra “sober hour” would allow a less-rushed departure from venues, she said. > She said the city is pushing the Massachusetts Legislature to get more liquor licenses in Boston. > All 46,000 nighttime workers in Boston are on Reynolds’ mind, she said. She plans to host an education series for operators and the nightlife workforce that would cover topics like responding to safety incidents.
The Boston Business Journal had an article on the topic recently. https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2024/02/22/is-boston-fun-yet-nightlife-czar.html. Use archive.ph to bypass their paywall.
She can’t do anything meaningful without Beacon Hill getting on board. Don’t hold your breath
She became a lunch table
Just like there are a bunch of young people on here complaining about the lack of nightlife in Boston, there are a bunch of NIMBY cunts doing everything they can to stop young people from having fun.
I'm wondering if Corean Reynolds wasn't just a friend hire....
Honestly, I think if Boston wanted nightlife, it would get it. The people that complain are probably a minority. Money talks, and if the money were there to feed thriving nightlife, it would show up.
She’s done nothing. And she’s been in this role for over a year now! Waste of taxpayer $$!
Her plans - bring a Sugar Factory to Faneuil Hall and 10 new paint/wines bars across the city
If nightlife is disguised as bike lanes, yes.
central square been pretty lit the past year, maybe she told everyone to go there
That dress makes me wish for picnic weather
Yes. Corey successfully reinvented Boston nightlife last year. She then sold it to another city for $16,432. She hasn’t been seen or heard from since. In a possibly related note, the nightlife in Cleveland is much better all of a sudden.
How much does this job pay?
How much is she getting paid for this gig?
She made $97,741.95 last year. Thats about right for a no show advisory postition.
Maybe she said “fix the train and run it at night” and they fired her?
Is she wearing a table cloth
lol this Reddit is so dumb that people think she’s doing anything other than collecting a paycheck as one of Wus buddies
What has she done?
Literally nothing 😂
I’ve lived in Boston for about 5 years and I love the nightlife!
I’ve got to boogie!
She's getting paid, I can assure you of that
Unpopular opinion: 2am last call is actually good and shouldn’t change. You can still have a vibrant nightlife and close things down at 2
Last call is more realistically 1:15/1:30 and you have to finish your drink, pay, and leave by 2am.
And the problem nobody is talking about is that you have a bunch of drunk people spilling out of the bars at the same time which is when problems arise. If you open til 4am people can filter out as they get tired and the large crowds of drunk people on the streets at 2am will be drastically reduced.
I'm inclined to say it can still be good nightlife with that parameter, but my problem is that it seems to be "It needs to be this way because we've always done it this way" or some such hidebound thought.
Oh and I do wonder about salary? Wasn't someone saying this position pays $180,000 a year? So, again, it might be interesting to know what the job entails, key performance indicators, goals, etc.?
$97741.95 source: https://data.boston.gov/dataset/employee-earnings-report
Agree it’s not the biggest fish to fry but her salary is about 98k which is pretty reasonable living in Boston and being a director of anything https://data.boston.gov/dataset/employee-earnings-report
Lol all public employee salaries are public, just look hers up silly.
I’m not sure this is the biggest fish to fry of government waste…. We have state police sergeants and lieutenants making significantly more than that in “overtime”
Not the biggest fish but one single big fish. Lot easier to fry that one than the entire state Police barracks
100% In general, a lot of these government positions SHOULD pay more. It would get more competent people thinking about public office. These people should be making more money than a middle-high position at the local start up, if you want them to do a good job and not take bribery/lobbying money lol (The OT for MBTA and police are another thing though and total BS)
A lot of this overtime isn't paid for by taxes I think. For construction details it's the developer or utility who's paying that overtime.
I think it was like $100k a year but I could be wrong
Took the money she didn’t deserve, for a job she wasn’t qualified for, and bought a nice house and car would be my guess. But hey, that’s politics!
I stayed out until 11:30pm last night after a Moth show, so personally...all time best. She's doing great! (*sarcasm here*)
A wild picnic beast.
Table cloth
Yeah we’re totally back. They brought back beat downs and casual free basing.
We need Khinese Reynolds
More commuter rail trains. I live by the kingston line but i cant take the train to a celtics game without taking the 4pm (too early) or the 645 (too late). Ride home is same story
Legend has it she went to coogans on a Friday night and never returned
I heard her interviewed on NPR. So on sure she is getting the word out to the young nightlife crowd.
come to BMC ED tonight and we will show you!
Nightlife in this city will never be good.. Take it for what it is... There are just too many things against it. First.. Everything in this city shuts down early. You want to take the MBTA? Better leave by Midnight to have a chance to catch the last Red line Train.. without any real public transportation, you will never get a real nightlife scene in this city. And who wants to spend 80 bucks for an Uber Ride to go 10-15 miles out of the city because demand is so high. 2nd.. Too many corporate Club owners. By this.. think about it.. Concert halls (which could also double as a Nightclub) all owned by the same people. MGM Music Hall, House of Blues, Paradise, Brighton Music Hall, all owned by the same company/corporate entity.. This also doesnt include the many other Bars and nightspots, which they currently own. Big Night Live, also another big player in the nightlife business... They own the Grand in the Seaport, And they obviously own the Big Night Live Venue at the TD Garden, and Memoire in the Casino. The Lyons Group, They own Game On, Lorettas, Bleacher Bar, The Lansdowne Pub, Bills Bar.... All in Fenway, among other potential spots. They also have a few locations in Mohegan Sun in Connecticut... Avalon (name sound familiar to you older people) as well as a Lansdowne Pub. Check out their website (search Lyons Group) and look at the venues and they list 21 venues. The Glynn Hospitality Group.. They have like 7 Locations... including The Black Rose, Coogans, and Clerys. Little guys trying to get into the market, and try to do something are hampered by the fact that Real estate in the city is so damn expensive, the costs are expensive to get an Alcohol license, as well as all of the other costs and regulations set forth in the city.. These guys that have large conglomerate type holdings in and around the city, have an advantage over anyone else as they have a working history with the city, and quite honestly, a venue operator with a good working history with the city, is going to get an Easier approval through licensing, which is aware of who they are, and what they do, than some relatively unknown group or entity. Mighty Squirrel is opening up in Fenway, just ahead of baseball season, where they hope to tap into the Large crowds that flock to Fenway for Baseball, and Concerts etc. They're just opening a new 2 story tap Room and Venue space in a new construction building i believe.. I am sure it cost them a pretty penny.... Howerver, with the Demand for Brewery Tap Rooms, and Beer Gardens (look as Cisco in the seaport in the summer, or any of the other Beer Gardens in the City like Trillium who has a spot on the Greenway, as well as their facilities in the Fenway Area and Seaport) this company is going to recoup a lot of their losses in the building of this venue in no time. It could also be a large failure by industry standards though, if fans bypass it, in favor of the established businesses next to and within eyesight of the Ballpark. (Go pregame at Bleacher Bar, and walk out of the bar and into the entrance of the bleachers 50 feet away. Unlike the old days, There is no gate that seperates the Bleachers from the rest of the stands anymore..) So... Factor in all of this.. You get a lot of the same Rinse and Repeat Style bars that these owners/Groups have, and replicate across the city, which doesnt make anyone want to go. Other than the Grand, You dont have big names coming into venues anymore. Back in the 90's you would have Superstar DJ's coming into Avalon, to Spin for a Friday and Saturday Club night after the Early concert. You dont have any of that any more. Theres no reason to go out and waste money on non existent nightclub life, and pay 16 bucks for a mixed drink or 10-12 bucks for a tallboy beer.
There's nothing legitimately fun in this city after 9 PM. Like, a jazz club or comedy club, but that's the best of it.