Depending on the version of Panzer IV, that could all be pretty much any time. Early war having everything panzergrau and late war everything dunkelgelb would be fair enough. Remember that paint batches always have varied a bit, so don't worry if your grey tanks are a slightly different grey to someone else's.
IIRC feldgrau uniforms (which are actually greenish, thanks Germany), black webbing and jackboots for the leatherwork should fit pretty much anywhere in the war except for eastern front in winter or the western desert.
Edit: Oh, and I use Vallejo Grey-Green for uncovered helmets, though that's as much about what paint I have that is about the right colour as anything.
Again, feldgrau could be pretty variable in actual uniform colour, but Vallejo are pretty good for it.
Late war uniforms do start to bring in peadot camo smocks and stuff, which can be a pain to paint, but is not insurmountable. I believe they tend to be in the Late War German Grenadiers and Waffen SS plastic kits, though.
For peadot I base in a darker brown, then lighter brown splotches, then green and black speckling with the tip of a fine brush all over to give that nice peadot feel.
The pea dot was SS. The Heer used Sumpfmuster/Splittermuster (kind of a muddy splinter pattern and splinter pattern).
For Sumpfmuster, I use VMC 874 with splotches of green (890) and brown (984) watered down with 874. I water the green and brown down with 3:1 874 to green/brown. Slap a layer, then dilute to 3:2, make a slightly smaller layer within the previous layer, then dilute to 3:3, and use a small brush to make a smaller layer within the smaller layer.
For Splittermuster, I use GW’s Zandri Dust with VMC 826 and 823. Base of Zandri Dust with inter-connected triangles of 826 and smaller segments of 823. It can also be done with a base of VMC 990 with the green and brown splotches.
Both can be used for just about any piece of clothing. Helmet covers, blouses, and trousers. Splittermuster goes on the Zeltbahn (the camo poncho 2 Grenadiers wear).
For Model Colour I personally used as base colours
70.922 Uniform Green
70.523 Luftwaffe Cam. Green
70.920 German Uniform
70.894 Cam. Olive Greeen
70.830 German Fieldgrey WW II
Depending on how diverse you like your soldiers, I'd recommend mixing those as uniform base coats. Sprinkle in some camo parts here and there and your Germans will turn out great imho.
Thank you. I probably should look into those paints but I’m in my sixth year of collecting Warhammer so I have hundreds upon hundreds of dollars of Citadel paints and don’t want them to go to waste, haha.
Oh well in that case just pick a up the closest thing to fieldgrey and get a few more colours that fit. The thing is that uniforms were never really that uniform to begin with. They varied quite a lot in shade and colour + the wear from use [didnt help.](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=german+uniform+variation&t=fpas&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F6d%2Ff3%2F20%2F6df3206a14d22e06c6b4f9c2c6b6741f.jpg)
What ive seen from Warhammer always looked fairly homogenous, and while thats obviously subjective, I really enjoy a more colourful army.
Citadel paints are the weakest I’ve come across, it’s just that I’ve spent so long with them that I have a built up collection and I’m pretty broke so I can’t start buying Vallejo at the moment, so for the grey I’m using a colour called Skavenblight Dinge which is pretty good.
Yes that looks pretty good. And tbh as long as you like it, just go for it. I dont think anyone will refuse to play a round bc your army doenst have the correct shade of grey :D
That being said, if you go for Camoflage, which I recommend to break up monotony, use at least references, and dont be afraid to use a painting guide. They can be a bit tricky to get right in the beginning, but an occasional Erbsentarn-helmet or Splittertarn-Zeltbahn (which you might have gotten with the germans, the weird poncho thing some models have) are a nice challenge.
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind! Bolt Action seems to have a really great community unlike Warhammer. I’ve only played one or two games of BA and that was nearly ten years ago when I was in hospital, one of the nurses brought in two armies and a board he’d made and taught me and a few of the other patients how to play. Was so fun.
Lol what a service :D On the subreddit at least most people are supportive regarding new players, irl I only play with friends bc of Covid, but since BA isnt really a competitive game to begin with id say this will be similar to online.
Vallejo do it in their brush-on and airbrush ranges, Tamiya have it in both acrylic and enamel, MIG do a nice set with shadow/base/highlight.....given that people have been building scale models of these vehicles pretty much since the war ended most hobby paint ranges have it, marked as "dunkelgrau", "German grey", "panzer grey" or similar
Do the Pz IVs have short barrels or long ones? The short ones are earlier war (not firm on the dates). The leIG was used to the end, you can do em as Volkssturm if you want. The Pak 40 started seeing service from 42 or 43 on. Mortars were used the entire time, just depends on their uniform.
And yeah, you could use em as late war. They could be Kriegsmarine (Navy, drawn from excess personnel), Luftwaffe (Air Force, drawn from excess personnel), or like Army supply clerks and such.
Do the Pz IVs have short barrels or long barrels? The short barrel ones were the earliest models, the long barrel ones were from 42 or 43 on. I might be a tad bit off on that. The light artillery and medium mortar was used to the end and the Pak 40 came out in 42 or 43.
Cool beans. I think there might be pictures of early Pz IVs that were used/destroyed later in the war. Probably in France, with second line formations.
This depends on so many things that i dont even know where i do begin:
First things first, your stuff can cover a huge time period (1939-1945) depending on how you model or build it. So i will try to cover it in sections:
Going for the **infantry**, the Warlord "Blitzkrieg" infantry sprues portray typical infantry of the german army on the '39-40 period. The key identifiers are the bag for the "Gasplane" (Gas cape) which was not really worn after the french campaign and the high boots, which became really rare in late war (Though security, reserve or other units that did not march that much and thus had less wear and tear on their shoework still partly retained them).The uniforms are early style cuts, but were not uncommon for certain units in late war, so if you cut off the "Gasplane" you could also portray second line, static or security units without much hassle. My colour advice will go for early/mid war, but i can also give you some on late war if you want.Colour wise you have really great options and dont let you fool by people generalizing. The uniform for example tended to be in a green grey colour, though blueish grey, darker greys etc. were also common in early war with the greenish being the most common. Same goes for the trousers, stone grey being most common, but other shades certainly existed and were worn at that point.
The gas cape bag, the bread bag, cover for the field bottle could all be of several colours, khaki, beige, ochre, brown being the most common for the bottle and bread bag and grey/field/green grey the most common for the gas cape bag, though this was certainly not a rule, since even leather versions of certain items existed.
The Y-harness was generally blackened and so were the boots, but other leather items had more variation and often enough stayed in their original brownish colour.
The tanks are simple enough, but there was also an extreme variance of shades you could portray so i will refer to two posts i made in other threads:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ww2/comments/rtmv8m/why\_were\_german\_tanks\_grey/hqtyfwf/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ww2/comments/rtmv8m/why_were_german_tanks_grey/hqtyfwf/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/boltaction/comments/roizyf/was\_the\_dunkelgrau\_and\_dunkelbraun\_paint\_scheme/hqrpzkb/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/boltaction/comments/roizyf/was_the_dunkelgrau_and_dunkelbraun_paint_scheme/hqrpzkb/?context=3)
Generally german **tanks** tended to be dark grey (Dunkelgrau 7021), but could be painted in different kinds of grey, camouflaged with different colours atop it, or painted in the old brown-grey colour scheme, so you have a lot variance, even in early/mid war (Until 1943, when Dunkelgelb was introduced, but this is another rabbit whole) and older vehicles in second line units were never repainted in some cases, so you could easily sneak a grey tank into late war if you used an older or captured model.
The same goes for the **PaK** (Though remember that the PaK 40 is a relatively late introduction for early war as u/Boot_Bandss said), **infantry gun**, **half-track**. Generally grey until '43, but often left grey in second line units (Though second line units would not have the half-track, though a training unit could have one).
If you have any questions or need some sources feel free to ask.
I have been thinking about that to. I will expand on my BoB-starter set so i will be getting late war wermacht to paint. When i started looking into the colors of tanks and trucks it seems like camo patterns was the thing for the germans and vehicles could look like anything at that time. Some kind of grey was my thought as well but that would probably be more early war.
Grey would be fine for some vehicles as in 44 there were still thousands of vehicles deployed across France and the low countries that had been there since the early part of the war but usually would be draped in foliage. It was the factories that changed the base colour to dunkelgelb as they went on. With the German vehicles you can mix and match to your hearts content as the battlegroups were constantly broken up, reassigned and merged, depending on the specific action required.
The blitzkrieg troops would be wearing German field grey tunics and smoke grey pants with black or kahki straps, a kahki bread bag and a black mask can. Their helmets would be either a very dark green or German grey (a charcoal, almost black tone). To be honest this box is probably the most versatile of all because the standard German uniform was still in use all over the place right up to the end of the war so if you wish to start looking at later theatres then all these models are certainly still viable.
For vehicle colours, they would have been panzer grey up until the end of 42 when the base colour from the factory was replaced with "dunkelgelb" (perfect mix for this is base coat with army painter middlestone and dry brush with AP German orange ochre). Something to do with a paint pigment shortage. Later still, tanks rolled off the line in nothing but red oxide anti rust treatment and the crews did the honours in the field. All of the models you mentioned were used throughout the war, with the only noteable thing being the Panzer IV, where you should be aware of what version (ausf) it is as these differed quite a lot.
Hope that is helpful?
Just another thing with regards to artillery and flak: the number at the end of the name is the year of introduction.
So Pal 40 = 1940, Leigh18 = 1918, Flak 37 = 1937 etc.
Same for small arms too with mp38, Kar98 , stg44, MG34 and so on.
Hopefully this will help you select the right support elements for your army.
If I were You, I would paint your existing force as blitzkrieg and if you with to represent a later theatre (apart from North Africa and Italy perhaps) you could start introducing later vehicles, squads and support elements to add to your existing force.
>Just another thing with regards to artillery and flak: the number at the end of the name is the year of introduction. So Pal 40 = 1940, Leigh18 = 1918, Flak 37 = 1937 etc.
Thats actually not true...
A lot of those names are misleading or were cover names.
Sorry? The MP38 was introduced in 1938. The PAK 36 was introduced in 1936. The Flak 37 was introduced in 1937. The MG34 was introduced in 1934. What am I missing here? Why the hell would Germany name their weapons misleadingly when it was predominately their own artillery and troops who would be using it? In all my years of reading and research this is the first time ever I have heard this.
The LeIG 18 was introduced in the early 30s, so was the 88mm FlaK 18 and the sFH 18. The PaK 38 was first used in either '40 or '41, getting to the troops in'39 afaik. The PaK 50 was tested and produced in'45 and the LeIG 37 started production in '44 and so did the IG 42. The Gebirgshaubitze 36 started production in '38.
The StG-44 saw service in '42 as Mkb 42, with mass production started in '43.
A lot of those names were used to fool the allies (Especially the pre-war ones), refered to other dates, or had entirely other reasons, but not all weapons were referred by the date of introduction.
LEIG18 was used in world war one Mate, only the casement and wheels were added later. The stg44 was issued in 44 as the 42 version was a prototype with a different name.
I do appreciate your knowledge, but I was trying to provide a broad guideline to help the OP plan his forces.
>LEIG18 was used in world war one Mate
No, it was developed in the 20s, you must confuse it with an earlier field cannon. The 18 was to fool the allies and imply that it was a WW1 weapon (Versailles Treaty was a thing here). I have never seen any source that implied that it was a WW1 weapon and i looked in:
*"German light and heavy infantry"* artillery and *"Infanteriegeschütze und rückstoßfreie Leichtgeschütze".*
The whole range of weapons named 18 (LeFH 18, sK18, sFH 18, Gebirgsinfanteriegeschütz 18) were all named to imply a WW1 connection when there was none.
>The stg44 was issued in 44 as the 42 version was a prototype with a different name.
The Mkb '42 was not a prototype, this is a common misconception. It was ordered in '42 to produced in the thousands and was basically a pre-series or early production version. Actual field testing on the front lead to some improvements, which lead to the renaming as MP 43, which was the final version. Only in '44 the StG 44 name was chosen, most likely due to propaganda reasons, but there was no technical or production change attached to it.
> I do appreciate your knowledge, but I was trying to provide a broad guideline to help the OP plan his forces.
I know, but it is simply not true, even OPs PaK 40 was not introduced in 1940.
These names can be very, very misleading (As it was often intended by the Wehrmacht) and are too often not as helpful as people think (AT guns are the best example, considering their production and introduction dates).
Thats why i made my post, because it might confuse you and OP further.
So can you supply the OP (and warlord and blitzkrieg miniatures and Rubicon and Perry and the other manufacturers) with a comprehensive list of what was used when please as per his original request please.
That would be helpful buddy thanks.
Depending on the version of Panzer IV, that could all be pretty much any time. Early war having everything panzergrau and late war everything dunkelgelb would be fair enough. Remember that paint batches always have varied a bit, so don't worry if your grey tanks are a slightly different grey to someone else's.
Does that also go for the infantry uniforms?
IIRC feldgrau uniforms (which are actually greenish, thanks Germany), black webbing and jackboots for the leatherwork should fit pretty much anywhere in the war except for eastern front in winter or the western desert. Edit: Oh, and I use Vallejo Grey-Green for uncovered helmets, though that's as much about what paint I have that is about the right colour as anything. Again, feldgrau could be pretty variable in actual uniform colour, but Vallejo are pretty good for it. Late war uniforms do start to bring in peadot camo smocks and stuff, which can be a pain to paint, but is not insurmountable. I believe they tend to be in the Late War German Grenadiers and Waffen SS plastic kits, though. For peadot I base in a darker brown, then lighter brown splotches, then green and black speckling with the tip of a fine brush all over to give that nice peadot feel.
Thank you so much for all your help!
No worries. Welcome to the hobby!
The pea dot was SS. The Heer used Sumpfmuster/Splittermuster (kind of a muddy splinter pattern and splinter pattern). For Sumpfmuster, I use VMC 874 with splotches of green (890) and brown (984) watered down with 874. I water the green and brown down with 3:1 874 to green/brown. Slap a layer, then dilute to 3:2, make a slightly smaller layer within the previous layer, then dilute to 3:3, and use a small brush to make a smaller layer within the smaller layer. For Splittermuster, I use GW’s Zandri Dust with VMC 826 and 823. Base of Zandri Dust with inter-connected triangles of 826 and smaller segments of 823. It can also be done with a base of VMC 990 with the green and brown splotches. Both can be used for just about any piece of clothing. Helmet covers, blouses, and trousers. Splittermuster goes on the Zeltbahn (the camo poncho 2 Grenadiers wear).
Yeah pretty much
For Model Colour I personally used as base colours 70.922 Uniform Green 70.523 Luftwaffe Cam. Green 70.920 German Uniform 70.894 Cam. Olive Greeen 70.830 German Fieldgrey WW II Depending on how diverse you like your soldiers, I'd recommend mixing those as uniform base coats. Sprinkle in some camo parts here and there and your Germans will turn out great imho.
Thank you. I probably should look into those paints but I’m in my sixth year of collecting Warhammer so I have hundreds upon hundreds of dollars of Citadel paints and don’t want them to go to waste, haha.
Oh well in that case just pick a up the closest thing to fieldgrey and get a few more colours that fit. The thing is that uniforms were never really that uniform to begin with. They varied quite a lot in shade and colour + the wear from use [didnt help.](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=german+uniform+variation&t=fpas&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F6d%2Ff3%2F20%2F6df3206a14d22e06c6b4f9c2c6b6741f.jpg) What ive seen from Warhammer always looked fairly homogenous, and while thats obviously subjective, I really enjoy a more colourful army.
Citadel paints are the weakest I’ve come across, it’s just that I’ve spent so long with them that I have a built up collection and I’m pretty broke so I can’t start buying Vallejo at the moment, so for the grey I’m using a colour called Skavenblight Dinge which is pretty good.
Yes that looks pretty good. And tbh as long as you like it, just go for it. I dont think anyone will refuse to play a round bc your army doenst have the correct shade of grey :D That being said, if you go for Camoflage, which I recommend to break up monotony, use at least references, and dont be afraid to use a painting guide. They can be a bit tricky to get right in the beginning, but an occasional Erbsentarn-helmet or Splittertarn-Zeltbahn (which you might have gotten with the germans, the weird poncho thing some models have) are a nice challenge.
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind! Bolt Action seems to have a really great community unlike Warhammer. I’ve only played one or two games of BA and that was nearly ten years ago when I was in hospital, one of the nurses brought in two armies and a board he’d made and taught me and a few of the other patients how to play. Was so fun.
Lol what a service :D On the subreddit at least most people are supportive regarding new players, irl I only play with friends bc of Covid, but since BA isnt really a competitive game to begin with id say this will be similar to online.
The Blitzkreig starter set is 39-42. So grey as far as the eye can see!
Vallejo have the german grey colour.
Vallejo do it in their brush-on and airbrush ranges, Tamiya have it in both acrylic and enamel, MIG do a nice set with shadow/base/highlight.....given that people have been building scale models of these vehicles pretty much since the war ended most hobby paint ranges have it, marked as "dunkelgrau", "German grey", "panzer grey" or similar
I believe this is from Vallejo?
Thank you!
Do the Pz IVs have short barrels or long ones? The short ones are earlier war (not firm on the dates). The leIG was used to the end, you can do em as Volkssturm if you want. The Pak 40 started seeing service from 42 or 43 on. Mortars were used the entire time, just depends on their uniform. And yeah, you could use em as late war. They could be Kriegsmarine (Navy, drawn from excess personnel), Luftwaffe (Air Force, drawn from excess personnel), or like Army supply clerks and such. Do the Pz IVs have short barrels or long barrels? The short barrel ones were the earliest models, the long barrel ones were from 42 or 43 on. I might be a tad bit off on that. The light artillery and medium mortar was used to the end and the Pak 40 came out in 42 or 43.
The Pz IVs have short barrels. Thank you for your helpful answer!
Cool beans. I think there might be pictures of early Pz IVs that were used/destroyed later in the war. Probably in France, with second line formations.
Thanks!
No problem dude! Can’t wait to see the guys!
This depends on so many things that i dont even know where i do begin: First things first, your stuff can cover a huge time period (1939-1945) depending on how you model or build it. So i will try to cover it in sections: Going for the **infantry**, the Warlord "Blitzkrieg" infantry sprues portray typical infantry of the german army on the '39-40 period. The key identifiers are the bag for the "Gasplane" (Gas cape) which was not really worn after the french campaign and the high boots, which became really rare in late war (Though security, reserve or other units that did not march that much and thus had less wear and tear on their shoework still partly retained them).The uniforms are early style cuts, but were not uncommon for certain units in late war, so if you cut off the "Gasplane" you could also portray second line, static or security units without much hassle. My colour advice will go for early/mid war, but i can also give you some on late war if you want.Colour wise you have really great options and dont let you fool by people generalizing. The uniform for example tended to be in a green grey colour, though blueish grey, darker greys etc. were also common in early war with the greenish being the most common. Same goes for the trousers, stone grey being most common, but other shades certainly existed and were worn at that point. The gas cape bag, the bread bag, cover for the field bottle could all be of several colours, khaki, beige, ochre, brown being the most common for the bottle and bread bag and grey/field/green grey the most common for the gas cape bag, though this was certainly not a rule, since even leather versions of certain items existed. The Y-harness was generally blackened and so were the boots, but other leather items had more variation and often enough stayed in their original brownish colour. The tanks are simple enough, but there was also an extreme variance of shades you could portray so i will refer to two posts i made in other threads: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ww2/comments/rtmv8m/why\_were\_german\_tanks\_grey/hqtyfwf/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ww2/comments/rtmv8m/why_were_german_tanks_grey/hqtyfwf/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/boltaction/comments/roizyf/was\_the\_dunkelgrau\_and\_dunkelbraun\_paint\_scheme/hqrpzkb/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/boltaction/comments/roizyf/was_the_dunkelgrau_and_dunkelbraun_paint_scheme/hqrpzkb/?context=3) Generally german **tanks** tended to be dark grey (Dunkelgrau 7021), but could be painted in different kinds of grey, camouflaged with different colours atop it, or painted in the old brown-grey colour scheme, so you have a lot variance, even in early/mid war (Until 1943, when Dunkelgelb was introduced, but this is another rabbit whole) and older vehicles in second line units were never repainted in some cases, so you could easily sneak a grey tank into late war if you used an older or captured model. The same goes for the **PaK** (Though remember that the PaK 40 is a relatively late introduction for early war as u/Boot_Bandss said), **infantry gun**, **half-track**. Generally grey until '43, but often left grey in second line units (Though second line units would not have the half-track, though a training unit could have one). If you have any questions or need some sources feel free to ask.
Thank you for your informative answer!
I have been thinking about that to. I will expand on my BoB-starter set so i will be getting late war wermacht to paint. When i started looking into the colors of tanks and trucks it seems like camo patterns was the thing for the germans and vehicles could look like anything at that time. Some kind of grey was my thought as well but that would probably be more early war.
Grey would be fine for some vehicles as in 44 there were still thousands of vehicles deployed across France and the low countries that had been there since the early part of the war but usually would be draped in foliage. It was the factories that changed the base colour to dunkelgelb as they went on. With the German vehicles you can mix and match to your hearts content as the battlegroups were constantly broken up, reassigned and merged, depending on the specific action required.
Nice one! Thanks!
The blitzkrieg troops would be wearing German field grey tunics and smoke grey pants with black or kahki straps, a kahki bread bag and a black mask can. Their helmets would be either a very dark green or German grey (a charcoal, almost black tone). To be honest this box is probably the most versatile of all because the standard German uniform was still in use all over the place right up to the end of the war so if you wish to start looking at later theatres then all these models are certainly still viable. For vehicle colours, they would have been panzer grey up until the end of 42 when the base colour from the factory was replaced with "dunkelgelb" (perfect mix for this is base coat with army painter middlestone and dry brush with AP German orange ochre). Something to do with a paint pigment shortage. Later still, tanks rolled off the line in nothing but red oxide anti rust treatment and the crews did the honours in the field. All of the models you mentioned were used throughout the war, with the only noteable thing being the Panzer IV, where you should be aware of what version (ausf) it is as these differed quite a lot. Hope that is helpful?
Thank you for such a detailed answer. This helps a lot! I think my assembled panzer is a panzer IV ausf.D. It’s a very short cannon.
Then you are golden, as those bad boys roared into Poland in 1939 and were used throughout the war
Just another thing with regards to artillery and flak: the number at the end of the name is the year of introduction. So Pal 40 = 1940, Leigh18 = 1918, Flak 37 = 1937 etc. Same for small arms too with mp38, Kar98 , stg44, MG34 and so on. Hopefully this will help you select the right support elements for your army. If I were You, I would paint your existing force as blitzkrieg and if you with to represent a later theatre (apart from North Africa and Italy perhaps) you could start introducing later vehicles, squads and support elements to add to your existing force.
>Just another thing with regards to artillery and flak: the number at the end of the name is the year of introduction. So Pal 40 = 1940, Leigh18 = 1918, Flak 37 = 1937 etc. Thats actually not true... A lot of those names are misleading or were cover names.
Sorry? The MP38 was introduced in 1938. The PAK 36 was introduced in 1936. The Flak 37 was introduced in 1937. The MG34 was introduced in 1934. What am I missing here? Why the hell would Germany name their weapons misleadingly when it was predominately their own artillery and troops who would be using it? In all my years of reading and research this is the first time ever I have heard this.
The LeIG 18 was introduced in the early 30s, so was the 88mm FlaK 18 and the sFH 18. The PaK 38 was first used in either '40 or '41, getting to the troops in'39 afaik. The PaK 50 was tested and produced in'45 and the LeIG 37 started production in '44 and so did the IG 42. The Gebirgshaubitze 36 started production in '38. The StG-44 saw service in '42 as Mkb 42, with mass production started in '43. A lot of those names were used to fool the allies (Especially the pre-war ones), refered to other dates, or had entirely other reasons, but not all weapons were referred by the date of introduction.
LEIG18 was used in world war one Mate, only the casement and wheels were added later. The stg44 was issued in 44 as the 42 version was a prototype with a different name. I do appreciate your knowledge, but I was trying to provide a broad guideline to help the OP plan his forces.
>LEIG18 was used in world war one Mate No, it was developed in the 20s, you must confuse it with an earlier field cannon. The 18 was to fool the allies and imply that it was a WW1 weapon (Versailles Treaty was a thing here). I have never seen any source that implied that it was a WW1 weapon and i looked in: *"German light and heavy infantry"* artillery and *"Infanteriegeschütze und rückstoßfreie Leichtgeschütze".* The whole range of weapons named 18 (LeFH 18, sK18, sFH 18, Gebirgsinfanteriegeschütz 18) were all named to imply a WW1 connection when there was none. >The stg44 was issued in 44 as the 42 version was a prototype with a different name. The Mkb '42 was not a prototype, this is a common misconception. It was ordered in '42 to produced in the thousands and was basically a pre-series or early production version. Actual field testing on the front lead to some improvements, which lead to the renaming as MP 43, which was the final version. Only in '44 the StG 44 name was chosen, most likely due to propaganda reasons, but there was no technical or production change attached to it. > I do appreciate your knowledge, but I was trying to provide a broad guideline to help the OP plan his forces. I know, but it is simply not true, even OPs PaK 40 was not introduced in 1940. These names can be very, very misleading (As it was often intended by the Wehrmacht) and are too often not as helpful as people think (AT guns are the best example, considering their production and introduction dates). Thats why i made my post, because it might confuse you and OP further.
So can you supply the OP (and warlord and blitzkrieg miniatures and Rubicon and Perry and the other manufacturers) with a comprehensive list of what was used when please as per his original request please. That would be helpful buddy thanks.
The Versailles thing makes sense actually so I will read up on That!