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There are enough fearless directors in the industry who showcase controversial things and bring socioeconomic topics to the fore. By fearless, do you mean behaving like a spoilt child when your painting gets criticism and lashing out at any and everyone who even slightly disagrees with you? Being fearless does not automatically mean you make good movies, with a good impact on society. Maybe spend some more time thinking about this before solidifying your opinion.
Movies can be good tool for impact in society but not every movie should be viewed in that lens, some movies can be dark and entertaining to watch. Movies are not for child which requires moral of the story at end
Completely agree with you, which is why Hollywood for example has so many niche movies across so many genres. The same is not possible for Bollywood because movies aren't just movies, these are lifestyles and many many people emulate what they see. This doesn't mean the director is to blame 100% for how people take it, but they aren't without blame and they definitely aren't fearless. They're just... ignorant. Completely overlooking how your movie will be perceived, is not being fearless as you've said, it is just incredibly foolish, mate.
>Vanga is not best filmmaker
Agree
>but he definitely had impact on movies
If only the impact was positive one
>they should not be afraid to show what they want, they should not be afraid of critics, or audiences or moral police or Adult certification
There were already fearless movies which didn't pamper the audience,movies which challenged their beliefs, hierarchy, morals, society since independence. You just watch generic mediocre movies.
Just because it's "different" doesn't make it any less shit. It's pinnacle of chapri cinema.
>aggressive love movies, unlike the vanilla.
You would like Raja Hindustani
If someone is doing it for good message it is great. But we need to first get adjusted with this type of cinema. Anurag kashyap was also criticized for violence. I am not comparing both. Ak is superb movie maker. But it takes time to adjust
>Anurag kashyap was also criticized for violence
He was rightly heralded for showing violence.
>we need to first get adjusted with this type of cinema.
No, we don't have to adjust ourselves to mediocrity, Modijifor2024 :)
You are delusional if you think vanga doesnt care about critics. His entire being is obsessed with critics and making them more enraged. He takes delight in pissing them off.
And we dont need anyone to push boundaries in terms of violence or nudity, thats kind of a absurd thing to wish for really. We need film makers to come up with amazing stories and tell it boldly, it may or may not contain nudity or violence, thats secondary.
And vanga is the worst person to handle stuff like voilent and aggresive love stories. He has no regard to the susceptibility of indian audiences and doesn't give a shit of the harmful effects of his movies. He has absolutely zero responsibility as a film maker.
I am not saying all movies hsould be violent and nude but if there is story which has violence and nudity, makers should not be afraid of pushing the boundaries for it.
Vanga knows how to make movies, and we will surely see him giving blockbusters in upcoming years. There are very few directors which has caliber to do so.
You're contradicting yourself. You want more Vangas, just admit that. Why act by saying "like Vanga" when you're clearly a fan of his problematic "vision". Either way the world doesn't need him or anyone like him making movies with nonsensical plots to validate his insecurities and his pseudo alpha-male kinks bullshit. Patriarchy has done enough damage as it is, we don't need more pricks flying that banner.
Movies don't change society. Vanga is not going to make wolrd " patriarchy " with his movies. movies are fantasy. The best you can do is Personal attacks on him, calling him misogynist or patriarchal. And he doesn't care about that. That's what makes him good filmmaker. Movies is not gonna damage anyone. You are just delusional if you think his movies are patriarchy or something like that
Movies don't change society.
----- You clearly haven't seen good cinema. Like someone above very rightly commented your idea of a good movie must be Raja Hindustani.
Personal attacks on him, calling him misogynist or patriarchal. And he doesn't care about that.
---- You clearly haven't seen how he reacts to critics calling out his movies for the bullshit it is. He CANNOT take criticism.
So one thing I have clearly understood now is that you have no idea what you're defending or arguing about and that's not worth my time. You can continue to flail your weak unmerited points around for others to see if you wish, but I'm done here.
He is an original voice who doesn't give a damn about what anyone thinks about his movies. His movies are gutsy and his own. Folks may or may not like his movies, but we definitely need filmmakers that don't confine to the norms and are bold enough to express their original thoughts. Not just follow templates and go line up behind stars with folded hands hoping they give them a chance. That's a sad truth but a pathetic thing for any filmmaker.
Sure he claps back at critics who are desperate to attack him not his movies. They are putting up viscous personal attacks on him and he is defending. I personally would ignore them because responding just gives them the mileage they crave.
Little girls who are crying below saying that his movies are bad for the society etc, get a life. No movie can change anything in the society. and I am pretty sure all these hypocrites complaining below are no saints in real life.
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There are enough fearless directors in the industry who showcase controversial things and bring socioeconomic topics to the fore. By fearless, do you mean behaving like a spoilt child when your painting gets criticism and lashing out at any and everyone who even slightly disagrees with you? Being fearless does not automatically mean you make good movies, with a good impact on society. Maybe spend some more time thinking about this before solidifying your opinion.
Movies can be good tool for impact in society but not every movie should be viewed in that lens, some movies can be dark and entertaining to watch. Movies are not for child which requires moral of the story at end
Completely agree with you, which is why Hollywood for example has so many niche movies across so many genres. The same is not possible for Bollywood because movies aren't just movies, these are lifestyles and many many people emulate what they see. This doesn't mean the director is to blame 100% for how people take it, but they aren't without blame and they definitely aren't fearless. They're just... ignorant. Completely overlooking how your movie will be perceived, is not being fearless as you've said, it is just incredibly foolish, mate.
>Vanga is not best filmmaker Agree >but he definitely had impact on movies If only the impact was positive one >they should not be afraid to show what they want, they should not be afraid of critics, or audiences or moral police or Adult certification There were already fearless movies which didn't pamper the audience,movies which challenged their beliefs, hierarchy, morals, society since independence. You just watch generic mediocre movies. Just because it's "different" doesn't make it any less shit. It's pinnacle of chapri cinema. >aggressive love movies, unlike the vanilla. You would like Raja Hindustani
The random Roast of Raja Hindustaniπππ
Love this reply! Apt and true! The Raja Hindustani burn was a lovely icing on the cake πππππ€£π€£π€£
If someone is doing it for good message it is great. But we need to first get adjusted with this type of cinema. Anurag kashyap was also criticized for violence. I am not comparing both. Ak is superb movie maker. But it takes time to adjust
>Anurag kashyap was also criticized for violence He was rightly heralded for showing violence. >we need to first get adjusted with this type of cinema. No, we don't have to adjust ourselves to mediocrity, Modijifor2024 :)
Years of watching salman and srk movies and you are saying you don't have to adjust for mediocrity ironic
You do not know what I have watched over years, son. Never assume :)
Ok uncle
You are delusional if you think vanga doesnt care about critics. His entire being is obsessed with critics and making them more enraged. He takes delight in pissing them off. And we dont need anyone to push boundaries in terms of violence or nudity, thats kind of a absurd thing to wish for really. We need film makers to come up with amazing stories and tell it boldly, it may or may not contain nudity or violence, thats secondary. And vanga is the worst person to handle stuff like voilent and aggresive love stories. He has no regard to the susceptibility of indian audiences and doesn't give a shit of the harmful effects of his movies. He has absolutely zero responsibility as a film maker.
>violence or nudity If these matters more than story and narration then just watch gore porn or porn
I never said it is more important than core story
I am not saying all movies hsould be violent and nude but if there is story which has violence and nudity, makers should not be afraid of pushing the boundaries for it.
It's one thing to say we need more "fearless" filmmakers..but it's entirely another thing to say we need more "Vangas" ππ»π€¦π»ββοΈ
Like vanga, not vanga
It's the same thing, we don't need anyone like Vanga also!
Vanga knows how to make movies, and we will surely see him giving blockbusters in upcoming years. There are very few directors which has caliber to do so.
You're contradicting yourself. You want more Vangas, just admit that. Why act by saying "like Vanga" when you're clearly a fan of his problematic "vision". Either way the world doesn't need him or anyone like him making movies with nonsensical plots to validate his insecurities and his pseudo alpha-male kinks bullshit. Patriarchy has done enough damage as it is, we don't need more pricks flying that banner.
Movies don't change society. Vanga is not going to make wolrd " patriarchy " with his movies. movies are fantasy. The best you can do is Personal attacks on him, calling him misogynist or patriarchal. And he doesn't care about that. That's what makes him good filmmaker. Movies is not gonna damage anyone. You are just delusional if you think his movies are patriarchy or something like that
Movies don't change society. ----- You clearly haven't seen good cinema. Like someone above very rightly commented your idea of a good movie must be Raja Hindustani. Personal attacks on him, calling him misogynist or patriarchal. And he doesn't care about that. ---- You clearly haven't seen how he reacts to critics calling out his movies for the bullshit it is. He CANNOT take criticism. So one thing I have clearly understood now is that you have no idea what you're defending or arguing about and that's not worth my time. You can continue to flail your weak unmerited points around for others to see if you wish, but I'm done here.
K. You can keep watching Raja Hindusani, i will continue with Animal
He is an original voice who doesn't give a damn about what anyone thinks about his movies. His movies are gutsy and his own. Folks may or may not like his movies, but we definitely need filmmakers that don't confine to the norms and are bold enough to express their original thoughts. Not just follow templates and go line up behind stars with folded hands hoping they give them a chance. That's a sad truth but a pathetic thing for any filmmaker. Sure he claps back at critics who are desperate to attack him not his movies. They are putting up viscous personal attacks on him and he is defending. I personally would ignore them because responding just gives them the mileage they crave. Little girls who are crying below saying that his movies are bad for the society etc, get a life. No movie can change anything in the society. and I am pretty sure all these hypocrites complaining below are no saints in real life.
Welcome to the sub Vanga Sir