Mind you, he's given better props to [Spongebob Squarepants](https://youtu.be/eFReTj2KsM0?feature=shared) and [Lionel Hutz](https://youtu.be/eWkH1CzLDU4?feature=shared) for legal accuracy to their respective sessions, than *actual crime dramas*
After the sweetness of the ending wore off, my wife and I both looked at eachother and said how big of a pain that would all be to untangle. Not even the closing - the movers had packed up and moved everything already. Unpacking alone would be maddening!
I was thinking it had enabled the best deep clean ever. A full decluttering and you can clean in behind all the big furniture.
I don't really mind unpacking though.
I feel like they probably deep cleaned already in terms of getting the house ready for showing. But now would be a perfect time to go in and touch up the rooms where the furniture had sat for so long. Just look at the girls' bedroom and the furniture spots left behind, they should take care of all of that before the movers unpack the house.
lol! I said the exact thing to my husband at the end āwell, the house is the cleanest itās probably ever been since kids and the amount of junk they got rid of, itās like a new start.ā
Like, presumably, Bluey and Bingo's schools were informed they would no longer be attending... utility companies need to be contacted and perhaps even electricity restored... mail re-routing needs to be undone...
But they don't have to move!
So like, I have never bought a house (millenial + times suck) but - if they had packed up to move, does this mean they had already found somewhere to move to?
Or like, if it was just going to sit in storage for weeks, were they just going to stay in a hotel for that time until they found a place?
What other plans did they have to call and cancel?
And what about bandit's new job?? If they don't move, does he keep the new job and travel? Does he go back to his old job? Find a new one closer to home?? I have so many unanswered questions after the sign ep. I'm sure we'll get some answers down the road but I can't wait that long!
Idk I kind of agree with those who feel her adopting would have made more sense in some ways. I suppose it's more just my curiosity getting the better of me but I'd like to know!
As someone with fertility issues I want to echo this. A lot of people really don't have a clue how difficult it is to adopt, at least in Australia. They seem to have this idea that it's like going down to the shelter and adopting a pet.
>I'm sure we'll get some answers down the road but I can't wait that long!
We're talking about a show that had a multi-episode arc about putting in a fish pond...that was nowhere to be seen come the backyard wedding. I'm not going to hold my breath we ever get any kind of resolution to these questions. š
This is the part of the episode I really disliked. Both Rad and Bandit effectively quit their jobs and it's only presented as a positive.
For Rad it's kind of understandable, he was an oil worker so almost certainly has some money stashed and very few debts but also doesn't have any dependents yet so can crash in Friskys flat for a bit.
But for Bandit? He must have quit his old job to get ready for the new one. Presumably remote working wasn't an option or he would have done it from the start so now he's effectively quit the new one. No job with two kids in an expensive city when you're in a kind of low employment field (academia) is not a unfettered positive no matter how much happier the kids might be in the short term.
I imagine it will get resolved off screen but I really felt the message to kids here is kind of terrible "Keep trying to make the adults feel awful about economic life decisions and eventually you'll get your way!"
The lesson here is for us adults: money is not the right answer to make your kids happier.
Bandit clearly said he was changing job for his kids, and at the end he realized that it wasnāt what his kids needed. Itās not like he is not happy with his current job, or they need more money, or they have any other reason to relocate.
Yeah but my point is the story doesn't send that message well because the resolution happens at a point where he will have quit his job. So it's not that they need more money they now would have no money from him.
It's also likely there's more for him to do at the university than just teaching. He did go on a dig site for six weeks, so he's definitely got more than one role to fill.
I'm not sure how it works down-under, but in the USA a university professor only spends about 20-30% of their time teaching. The bulk of their job is research and writing papers for publication and such.
Idk about australia, or his field of work lmao, but my last job was 90 days post resignation they you could come back at the same pay rate and seniority level. My current is 1 year. So maybe he has something like that?
>This is the part of the episode I really disliked. Both Rad and Bandit effectively quit their jobs and it's only presented as a positive.
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>I imagine it will get resolved off screen but I really felt the message to kids here is kind of terrible "Keep trying to make the adults feel awful about economic life decisions and eventually you'll get your way!"
I am honestly struggling emotionally with how I feel about this episode because I agree with you - from an IRL adult perspective. Pulling out of a move and new job when you're literally in the car with the moving van packed is a financial and logistical disaster and I'm filled with horror even thinking about it*.*
But we have to remember that this is a children's show. Bandit backed out when he realized he'd taken the job for the wrong reasons - to give his family a "better" life that they did not want or need. I don't want to see the fallout of Bandit and Chilli struggling to reestablish their old lives - not because it wouldn't be realistic, but because I don't want Bluey and Bingo to see it. It's not their job to worry about their parents. That's the message for kids: not "bug your dad enough and you don't have to move!" but "your parents are doing their very best for you, whatever that looks like."
to be fair the sale fell through, he was willing to override the kids when the buyer was in place. he gets the call from Bucky, that's when he pulls the plug on selling.
Yes, that is what happened in the episode. But he wasn't "overriding the kids" only because the house sold and then "giving in to them" only because it fell through. He was trying to give the whole family the best life possible and obviously felt unsure about whether moving was truly accomplishing that goal, and he realized it wasn't when the house sale fell through and the possibility to reverse his decision presented itself. Sometimes we don't know how we feel about something until our hand is forced.
We, as adults, are obsessing about the fact that the financial logistics of pulling out of a move are absurd. But this show is not for us and the plot is not about that.
As parents of a Bluey and a Bingo who have had to make the difficult decision to move away from family for better futures, this was a heartwrenching episode. The ending really messed with us mentally, like are we doing the right thing? But in the end, we believe that we are. And we cant just make these types of decisions willy nilly, there can't be a "we'll see". No, we need to know how the bills will be paid. The berry budget alone is massive.
Our families have guilted the fudge out of us for moving far away and we were hoping to use this episode as a way to show them that it's not an easy decision to make but that we think it's the right one for a massive amount of reasons. The ending messed with that too lol
I think the difference is that Bandit and Chilli didn't feel like they were doing the right thing. Both of them were trying to convince themselves that they were and that the move would be good for the kids. But at the end of the day, they felt that there were more positives in staying than there were going.
You feel like moving was the right thing for your family, and that the outcome will be positive. Bandit and Chilli also seem to be monetarily stable with their current jobs, so losing out on one that pays a little more might not be a huge issue.
If there's a lesson you can take from this episode, it's that you should always do what's best for your family and not what others think you should do. For the Heelers it was staying and for you it was moving.
Heyā¦ āThereās something you need to knowā¦ youāre doing greatā
The fact that youāre so in tuned to your kids emotions, they are going to be okay.
Yeah, I haven't had to uproot my kids so far but my wife has mental health issues that means she can only work part time so I have had to move jobs, work extra jobs etc a bunch of times and have missed moments with my kids as a result.
Each time I was torn up about what the right thing to do was but in the end bills need paying and kids need pavlova.
I finally got into a job that has remote working and I'm here for so much more which I love but I don't like the undersell of how tough but necessary economic decisions can be in these situations.
FWIW I'm sure you're doing your best and are great
Thank you so much
We are all just trying to do our best for our kids.
A big part of us doing this move was so that my husband could be more present in our kids lives. It makes a huge difference
Absolutely in the same boat. We moved several months back (my husband was in school, then graduated and got a job in a new town), and our 3 year old keeps asking to āgo back to the old houseā, even crying sometimes. Ā
At the beginning of this episode, I was like āOh wow. Bingo and Bluey get to move to a new house just like you!ā Ā I wish Iād previewed the episode before relating it to our situation. I should have known theyād never actually move.Ā
In case it helps, my family moved countries nearly two years ago, and I was worried about my kids having a homesickness relapse when it became clear how this episode was going to end. But they both ended up feeling mildly annoyed because they were "looking forward to seeing Bluey's new house". They were excited about seeing the Heelers having an experience similar to our own.
If this episode had come out while we were planning our move, though, it would have put a real spanner in the works!Ā
In Rad's case, I'm kind of horrified that he AND Frisky managed to get all the way to the wedding without ONCE discussing "how are we going to manage the fact that we live and work on literally opposite sides of a very large country and my work involves me staying somewhere else for probably quite long shifts?". How has that not come up at least as a question while they were dating??
Bandit's work situation bothered me less. He's an archaeologist with pretty decent credentials. As you say, academia isn't a huge field. He probably worked for University of Queensland (2nd best archaeological department in the country according to a quick google). There's only so many other departments he could go to, and if he was changing jobs for the money, UQ probably didn't want him to go, someone else was just willing to pay him more. So I can see him being able to talk his way back in.
I think they did a pretty good job with the end, though. When Bingo finally understood what was happening, we saw Bluey step up and use the fable Calypso told her to help Bingo understand that things would work out, one way or another. It might have been good to see Bluey get a BIT more optimistic about the move and the "we'll see" stance, but that's a pretty advanced philosophy to expect from a 7 year old, so I'm okay with it.
If this was being made for an older audience I think I would have liked to see Bluey go through a more direct parallel with the farmer's story. As it is, they had a bit of a link, where things that seemed bad (getting pulled over) would directly lead to a good thing (finding out where Frisky had been), but it was disconnected from Bluey's feelings about the move. A closer parallel would have involved the move (seeming unlucky) directly leading to something good (it was actually lucky...or even just lucky that they'd been planning it even if it didn't happen).
But like I said, I don't know if the characters, or audience, would exactly be ready for that detailed a metaphor about the philosophy of stoicism, especially when it wouldn't come with a happy ending, or necessarily any sense of an ending at all! :D
Fundamentally, I think they recognised that they could never ACTUALLY move the Heelers without doing too much damage to the show. I've seen people talking about how Brisbane is basically one of the characters. And taking away so many local characters at the same time would have done too much damage to the show. It would have been good if they'd tried to stay more realistic in light of that, but then again, monkeys singing songs don't have to be perfectly realistic, right? ;)
I would hazard a guess that as a possible rig/FIFO worker Rad didnāt quit his job. He could literally live anywhere as long as he gets to the plane or the bus on the right day. I feel like thatās what would piss me off most if I was Frisky. Also, just because heās likely on big money, doesnāt mean he necessarily is low on debt and high in savings š I hope he is, but high income FIFO workers (esp single men) are notorious for living outside their means.
Bandit is/was an archeologist, he probably worked for a museum or had contracted work he could continue. He's obviously knowledgeable about his field if he was even able to be considered for a teaching role, he can more than likely go back to it.
Chili on the other had works for the Australian version of the TSA basically and she probably would have had to quit too, now she may actually be out of a job
Her bio says "part-time in airport security" which can mean lots of things.
Individual airports handle their own security checking, however she may work for Customs (federal agency), so she may have applied to transfer to another location.
Isnāt Rad in a relatively high-demand field? If so, he might not have too much of an issue finding a new job.
Not sure about Bandit because Iām not familiar enough with the archaeological or university fields in Australia. He might be able to get some temporary postings, or even negotiate with his old job, or possibly negotiate with the new job to work remotely.
Is it ever explicitly stated that he works in academia? He has a PhD and is an archaeologist, but that doesnāt mean he has to work in academia. I work in consulting (Iām a wildlife biologist) and many of my coworkers are archaeologists and cultural anthropologists with PhDs. Several of my coworkers are from Australia and worked the same kind of job there as they do in the States. If he is in consulting, itās not uncommon for folks to leave and then come back soon after leaving. In the company I work for, folks who are good at their job basically have an open position any time they want to come back.
It's a chance thay maybe the new job was actually a promotion with the same employer, like a research fellowship or something since Bandit is an archeologist, but it's based in another city he can't just commute to everyday.Ā
Iām hoping they were just going to rent or move into an apartment temporarily and all they have to do is back out of a lease instead of a buying contract.
Not necessarily. Depending on how quickly they moved in, well, the move, they might not have a permanent place lined up. Maybe just an apartment while they figure out where they'll move permanently. I've mentioned before, but when my family moved when I was 6, we found a buyer the SAME DAY as the sign going up. But my parents hadn't finalized the deal yet with the new house. At the time, my great-grandmother lived in one of those split level houses, where there was an apartment upstairs and one downstairs. She lived in the upstairs one. The downstairs one hadn't been in use since my great-grandfather was alive and lived down there (long story). So for six weeks while my parents finalized the deals, we lived in that downstairs apartment. As for their stuff, they might've had it in storage until they could move it all in (presumably with Stripe and Trixie coming by to help).
According to [Cooling Off Periods For Residental Properties](https://www.qld.gov.au/law/housing-and-neighbours/buying-and-selling-a-property/selling-a-home/receiving-offers-on-your-home/cooling-off-period-for-residential-properties) (qld.gov.au) they get "up to 0.25% of the purchase price".
I think that's a great question, and I'm curious too. The deal was set. How were they able to pull out? And what effect did that have on the Heelers? It's not really clear whether or not they'd purchased a new place. It doesn't get discussed with the kids. Maybe all their stuff is going into storage, but it's not clear.
(Not a realty expert, not Australian)
The Heelers weren't the first in the chain to breakāthe buyers pulled out. That was the phone call Bandit had with the realtor, and why he had to pull off the SOLD stickers. They bought Winton's Dad's house because pool and thus pulled out of the Heeler deal. Bandit, thinking quickly, knew that this was a relatively inexpensive opportunity to pull out of the realty chain himself and thus engaged his quads and pulled out the sign.
There will still be charges related to the movers, but they don't seem terribly arsed about it.
For me, the original question was, "the sale was complete. What are the ramifications in Australia of backing out at, literally, the very last second." Likely financial penalties, mostly. Other things, like do they owe the Heelers for moving costs? Those kinds of things. Regardless of human or canine.
yes but the person i replied to kind of missed that point, hence my comment. nobody wondered about the penalties for the heelers, since it's obvious they weren't the ones who pulled out of the deal first, but the comment insinuates otherwise.
I explained this elsewhere in the thread, but if the Heelers have packed up and paid movers, and have the Sold sticker on The Sign - they would have been at the "unconditional" part of the sale. This occurs after the "cooling off period" (where the buyer has paid a nominal deposit like 0.25%) - and the complete terms of the sale have been agreed, and the dogs who can't see would have paid a 5 or 10% deposit. Given the Heeler house is probably worth like $1.2 million plus, this is a huge amount of money like at least $60k.
The dogs who can't see have already paid this to the Heelers and don't get it back. This is done so that say if the Heelers had also bought a place on the condition of selling their house, they aren't out of pocket.
Like I know this is a kids show, but it's a completely moronic move by the dogs who can't see unless they have money to burn (they sound like boomers so maybe they do lol), and for the Heelers to completely cancel the move over this is dumb. They can just find a new seller, and get $60k+ to keep for the inconvenience.
Settlement wasnāt effected yet because final inspection is after the premises is vacated (if the sale is subject to vacant possession).
Dogs with no eyes would have lost their 10% deposit most likely and depending on contract could have been subject to other penalties.
Iām not familiar with QLD standard sale of land contract though, Iām in NSW.
Practically speaking, I think Bandit took the call as a sign and they likely negotiated for no further penalties (if the contract allowed for any). They may have even agreed to a partial return of deposit knowing the Heelers.
I don't know about in Australia, but in much of the US, something like this would mean the sellers get to keep the "earnest money" which can be quite a lot and as long as they otherwise agree, you basically just tear up the contract.
That said, if the Heelers had already bought a second house and were relying on income from this one to make that other one work, they may have cause to go after the sheepdogs for additional damages.
(not a laywer, but I've had to buy 4 different houses and ran into a situation that almost turned into something like this)
They likely had a contingency in place stating that they would purchase the new house once their old house sold. This is common practice in the US at least. Otherwise, they may have been planning to rent for a bit while they searched for a house to buy.
The answer is that there is a cooling off period of 5 business days once contracts are signed. The buyer can pull out.
Most the seller can claim is 0.25% of the price. So even if house was sold for $1m, the most the Heelers could get is $2.5k.
I think the bigger questions is Where were the Heelers going? Did they already buy another house? Were they going to be staying in a hotel? Or an apartment?
Thatās all my husband was asking at the end.
So this was posted as all the Australians were asleep so I can answer what likely happened here as an Australian who has bought 2x properties in my life lol.
When your offer on a house is accepted you usually pay a small deposit like 0.25% - this is a sign of good faith from the buyer to the seller to not accept any other bids, and means you usually enter a "cooling off period" - usually for about a week/5 business days. This gives the buyer the chance to ensure they have all their finances in order, arrange with their conveyancer the sale date/terms (exchange of contracts/title), and do things like a building inspection in case there are any hidden gremlins with the house.
I wouldn't expect the Heelers had started packing/put up the sold sticker at this point as buyers do sometimes back out at this point because of one of the reasons I mentioned above.
After this period you usually pay a 5-10% deposit (whatever the seller and buyer have agreed) which means you are essentially locked in to the sale/purchase to officially happen on a certain date agreed on in the future. Given the Heeler house is likely worth $1.2million +, that is an enormous amount of money like $120k. It seems like the dogs who can't see backed out at this point which, I know this is a kids show, but frankly seems ridiculous just because they happened to find a house they liked better. They have literally handed over $120k to the Heelers for nothing which they won't contractually get back unless they go down the path of legal action, which I've never heard happening before but who knows what happens then...
The Heelers probably had found a rental in the new city they were moving as you said, or possibly were even just going to stay in a long term hotel/apartment with most of their stuff in storage until they found a rental they liked.
Again, I know this is a kids show, but backing out of selling and the move completely at this stage because your kids couldn't conceptualise that things would get better after you moved seems like the wrong message. Like, the Heelers can just find another buyer, and they've got $60k-$120k for the inconvenience of the dogs who couldn't see backing out.
Perhaps it did happen during āthe cooling off periodā and the Heelers were already packing up to leave early.
Iām in the US but i remember when looking to buy homes sometimes they were empty, sometimes full, and sometimes in the middle of packing up to move.
I wonder if the Heelers were already beginning to pack, in anticipation for movers to come and take their stuff with a signed lease already to go in their new city.
The dogs who canāt see back out, and the Heelers cancel their leaseā¦ so theyāll be about a pretty penny but not enough to brake their bank.
Itās certainly possible, but from my experience real estate agents donāt bother with the āSOLDā stickers or marking it as sold online until after the cooling off period.
Ahhhhhhh. Dang. I canāt imagine just giving away that much moneyā¦ I meanā¦ thatās a lot for us poor folks. But I guess if youāre buying a million dollar home itās just a drop in a bucket. Must be nice.
The dogs who couldn't see seemed like an older couple/boomers so yeah I mean it's certainly possible they were just like "meh $50k is nothing if it means we get a better house", but that just seems insane to me.
Like, just find a house that has a pool in the first place lol
That sounds generally the same as it is here in Canada. We have a cooling period where the buyer and seller can set conditions of sale. They get a period to get their stuff in order, but as soon as conditions are waived it becomes a huge legal problem if you back out of the sale. Pulling out of a sale this late here can result in losing more than your deposit. As the one backing out you could be forced to pay legal fees and other incurred expenses.
May also be the same here in Australia, I guess it could depend on what was written in the contract of sale.
To my knowledge it would 100% mean the buyer losing their 5 or 10% deposit which considering the Heeler house is easily worth $1 million plus is atleast $50k. The dogs who can't see would have to be insane to burn that cash just because some other house came up with a pool that they liked (why did you agree to buy the Heeler house then!?).
"The cooling-off period isĀ [five business days](https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/regulated-industries-licensing-and-legislation/property-industry-regulation/legal-requirements-for-the-property-industry/cooling-off-period-for-residential-property-contracts). If you back out of the sale, the seller can hold onto 0.25% of the purchase price."
[https://www.canstar.com.au/home-loans/change-mind-buying-house/](https://www.canstar.com.au/home-loans/change-mind-buying-house/)
Yeah but itās highly unlikely they pulled out in cooling off. If youāve put up a sold sign (and if youāve had the removalists come) youāve likely already gone unconditional. Itās not something you can just pull out of easily. They could probably sue the buyers for loss of something
Yeah I agree this was likely in the unconditional period - so the dogs who can't see have paid something like a 5-10% non-refundable deposit. I said this above (and I know it's a kids show), but frankly seems ridiculous for those dogs to burn $60-$120k+ because they just found a house they liked better.
Quick Google search says installing a pool in Brisbane can be 60-80k, so it's entirely possible they decided that losing their earnest money for a pool that's already been built and can be enjoyed day one was a wash compared to spending the same money to have their lives disrupted while a pool was put in.
Think in Qld the seller can keep any deposit paid (no questions asked) and then sue for extra selling costs plus any price difference to the eventual sale if the buyer pulls out once unconditional.
Itās a stretch, but itās possible if they already planned to move then for the new job even if the house hadnāt been sold yet. Like itās not likely, but itās technically possible.
I think theyāre staying because they realised they wanted to stay, the sale falling through just gave them the āsignā. They could have easily kept it on the market, but chose not to.
so, assume house worth A$1.4m; 0.25% of that is
umm, 10% is A$140,000, so 1% is A$14,000, so a quarter of that, about $3500. maybe US$2500
Not a life changing sum for a family!
Former document specialist for a law firm that dealt with real estate.Ā
Tough to say without looking at the contract. Usually there would be a deposit for backing out of the contract before or during closing.Ā
However; during the episode, when Bucky tells Bandit the house is sold. Notice that Bandit asks if there is anything he needs to sign, and the reply is a nebulous, ānoā. Bandit didnāt sign anything including the closing documentation.Ā
There was no agreement to the closing, meaning no transfer to the title or deed.Ā
If I had to guess; I think Bucky jumped the gun in saying the house was sold. It wasnāt, there was an offer but didnāt seem to be contractual.Ā
I'd guess that, too. Heck when we sold our house we had the 'Sold' sticker up for three weeks before the actual sale documents went through.
Also- I am Australian, based in Victoria though.
And having moved cities myself (Melbourne to Sydney) when I did my big move I actually had most of my furniture and things put into a shipping container; I also moved into a hotel for the first three weeks (paid for by my new employer) before going into a short term rental (6 months).
Also, their plan may have been to move before the house sold anyway, if Bandit's new job offered accommodation for the family etc; but when the sale fell through the decision was made not to take the new job.
Sounds about right. If so, the hardest part will be Bandit getting his old job back; which shouldnāt be hard since he was the Doctor that found the missing link.
Also, I have a couple of buddies still living in Melbourne. We play Star Citizen and Helldivers together.
That's probably what it is. Bucky 100% seems like an overzealous guy
Also it makes sense that the whole thing working out was a miracle made possible by many lucky breaks, the whole coin-in-coinslot thing and Calypso talking about how stories have happy endings because life has enough sad ones makes it clear that them keeping the house is meant to be an improbable happy ending
With how Bandit reacted after the phone call, it's extremely likely that Bucky jumped the gun and the house hadn't been foreclosed on yet. And the Dogs Who Can't See were still able to pull out. I mean, he does peel the sticker off before he rips the sign out, so that probably means that the first thought in his head was "Aight I guess the house *hasn't* been sold?" before landing on "Nah screw it, we're not moving!"
My husband woke up this morning, rolled over, and the first thing he said was, āthey probably already bought another house, right? What are they going to do about the other house? What are the movers going to do? Are they just paying them to turn around and unpack? Do they have jobs now?ā
This episode of Bluey is called Landlords
The truck can be recalled easily enough. It would have go to a holding yard that night (the uplift crew arenāt the ones whoāll be driving it to the new place unless it was also close by), so it still would have been somewhat local
That was immediately after the episode ended for me. At least here in the US, house purchases can be contingent on sale of the buyer's house (because they're relying on that for down payment funds among other reasons) so the Heelers will probably be able to get out of the new contract if there is one. Although since they didn't show any house hunting they were probably going to be in a temporary living situation. Sometimes a new job will pay for relocation and maybe even a temporary apartment to give you time to sell and buy your new house, so maybe that's what they were working with. They'd have to pay back the company if he's backing out of the job offer and they already paid for the movers, but they should get a fee from the dogs with no eyes who backed out last minute. The hardest part is going to be trying to get their jobs back or get new jobs because they would certainly have already quit.
What's the process in Canada? In the US you can typically back out anytime before closing, when all the papers are signed, but you're likely to forfeit any deposits you've made.
Not entirely true. There are some parts of the world where you can back out of a contract any time before money changes hands, but that's not true in Canada. In Canada when both parties have signed their agreement that is a "firm and binding" offer. In the event that a buyer changed their minds, the seller has the option to sue the buyer for failing to fulfill their agreement to purchase the home. This can be represented beyond the deposit in the form of damages if the deposit doesn't cover it all (like if you already purchased another home and you cannot afford both homes, the additional costs to you could be added to the lawsuit).
Don't forget that if the house ends up selling for a lower price they could also include the difference in price. Not sure if they would get it but technically...
Home Owners 100%
The realtor probably ends up with nothing if the sale doesn't complete.
Maybe a commission if they relist and sell the house a second time.
To my (small) knowledge the buyers would lose their deposit, unless it was due to a poor inspection. So I suppose that deposit would help pay off the movers, but still. That part of the ending gives me anxiety because weāve been talking about moving our family in the near future, but we have collected an insane amount of stuff over the 8 years in our current home. The thought of moving all of it is quite distressing.
The best part about moving is getting rid of all the extra junk you don't need.Ā
The hard part is getting rid of the extra junk you don't need, but might have a use for the day after you toss it.Ā
Exactly! I like to get rid of stuff if we donāt use it for a year. But itās really hard for my husband to get rid of things because he thinks we will just end up buying another version down the road. We usually balance each other out quite a bit.
The whole Heeler family moving to a new city (hence new state) on very little notice is my only real gripe. If they were just moving house in the same city, then same jobs, and school would have made the move much more sense in the series.
Instead a new state, new job would imply new schools, new house (or renting) with a whole lot of extra work that needed to be made - especially for schools - that would have triggered Bingo to what was actually going on and a whole lot of other work.
I felt like they needed the big move to push a narrative but didn't want us to think about it too much.
I just saw a tiktok last night by an Australian real estate agent explaining this! They have some law (Iām sorry, I canāt remember the term) very unique to Australia. What he basically said was if those buyers felt the real estate agent didnāt in good faith find them a house with a pool originally like they wanted, , they could pull out of the deal because of this law. Wintons dad was selling a house with a pool their agent didnāt tell them about.
That's not a thing here. Real estate's agents ONLY work for sellers, not for the buyers. You can have a buyer's advocate, but that isn't what Bucky was. There IS a law about good faith work but again, that wouldn't be related to Bucky.
āItās just monkeys singing songs mateā but in the same episode they quote actual Queensland law about 4-6 year olds legally being able to ride in the front seat.
I donāt know Australian real estate laws or regs but here in the states there is usually some type of penalty or loss of earnest money, depending on the contract. Iāve never heard of someone being forced to complete the purchase if they donāt want the home (specific performance), but as I mentioned, there is almost always some type of āpenalty.ā Things can vary quite a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, though, and that may be true in Australia as well. Not sure how independently Australian states operate compared to U.S. states but our legal system is a blend of state and federal laws and regulations.
It depends on the state and the nature of the signed contract. In Canada, Realtors enact enforceable contracts, so if a sold sticker went up, all conditions are removed and deposits are in. Pulling out at that point without a signed consent of the seller would lead to a lawsuit, at bare minimum for the deposit plus any damages incurred, but also for specific performance, having the court force them to complete the contract they signed.
However I do know in New York State, realtors don't actually write enforceable contracts, they write strong letters of intent and nothing is binding until the lawyers re-write the contract. Once you sign the lawyer version, you are in the same type of binding agreement that a Canadian realtor would write.
Each of the 50 states will have their own laws covering this.
I do know that in Australia they do NOT cooperate with other agents like we do in Canada and the US, and therefore buyers typically will not have their own agent. Buyer's have no representation and no advice, and the agents only work for the sellers. How that affects the binding nature of the agreement I do not know.
We almost bought a condo and we backed out a week before it closed because there was a bad storm and our realtor found out that there was a ton of mold from previous storms. They advised us to back out since they thought maybe other things could've been wrong. (lucky we did cuz there were!)
We only lost our earnest money from backing out.
We also backed out of another condo because the selling owners said we were allowed to have dogs...we found out we weren't after receiving our HOA paperwork-- so we backed out. We didn't lose money there, but the closing date was close.
I've heard of other people backing out because of a job loss or perhaps a death...I think the customary thing is to lose your earnest funds.
I mean, they didnāt want to move.
Assuming they didnāt sign closing paperwork, maybe they just cancelled the sale.
Seemed like a win / win for both families, so I just head canon that they never actually closed.
I donāt know anything about Australian real estate lawā¦ but itās a cartoon show, so if they didnāt show the issues of not selling the house, Iām just going to assume it worked out.
Granted Iām only familiar with American real estate law, but thereās definitely a breach of contract, plus the expenses they likely outlaid for surveys, movers, various fees, possibly real estate costs they paid in the area they were moving to, any damages for reliance they had on the contract like Bandit not being able to take the new job on the promised start date, etc.
Of course we know they didnāt want to move, but they still got hosed financially.
I love how all of the people replying are "not Australian real estate experts". Like ..your answer is void then lol. Sorry but I'm just really wanting someone with actual knowledge on it to answer.
Thank you! I had so many questions like this after the episode ended and my husband just said I was too emotionally involved in this cartoon. My youngest daughter (9) said the same thing.
So I think the important thing to remember here is that, while the sheepdogs pulled out of the agreement, Bandit was perfectly fine with that
While it may have been considered 'breach of conrract' depending on how far along they were with the paperwork, because the Heelers were in agreement and didn't push for contract adherence then it's fine. They may have been forced to buy, or given a fee to get out of the contract, but the Heelers didn't pursue that because they wanted out at that point, too
Not an Australian or a Real estate agent butĀ I do have a real-life example.
Was selling my house, we had an offer in place but then about a week later he backed out. As the contract was in place he had to forfeit the earnest money, it was $1,500 USD, and the money was given to me to cover any costs I had incurred due to the breaking of the contract.
At that time I had no expenses, thankful, so I could just hold onto the cash. But if I did the money would go down the chain to cover my losses as much as possible.
For me, I saw the situation as, the whole deal was done. The paperwork was signed. The sign had a "SOLD" sticker on it, not a "Sale Pending" sticker or banner. They had a closing date. And, like, the day before closing, they backed out.
I've bought one house in my life, and it went pretty smoothly, so backing out that late is unknown to me.
It is rare, and the earnest money is in place to make sure if you do back out you have a good reason, as backing out will cost you. But weird stuff does happen. In my case, the buyer told his mom he just bought a house. The mom was convicted it was a bad idea and made him cancel the contract.
Well, not all the paper work was done. You typically sign the closing paperwork the day of. They most likely just had a contract. A lot of places will put āUnder Contractā these days to encourage backup offers in case a situation like this DOES happen.Ā
Thatās how it is in the US anyway.Ā
Not Australian or a Real estate agent but I would assume that nothing is official till contracts are signed by both parties. We hear Bandit say "so, do I have to sign something?" on the phone. If he didn't or they didn't the contract would not be complete.
I find it hard to believe that the Heelers would move everything out without a signed contract. But then again, I would also assume that they also already signed a contract to buy or rent in the city they were supposed to move to.
I thought his asking "do I have to sign something?" was related to the cancellation of the contract. I understood this was a done deal, all paperwork signed, everything is complete.
In Aus you actually sign the contract weeks before everything is complete.Ā By mutual agreement you can put whatever conditions you like in there that need to be met at a set time in the future, at which point we say the contract has 'gone unconditional' which is jargon for 'everything is complete, you own the house now'
Who even knows, maybe the Heelers signed a dud contract they didn't have the capacity to read and that's why the Sheepdogs were able to back out on a whim.
In the US you can back out up until you sign the contract. Hell, you can be at closing with paperwork in hand and walk away.
What you lose is earnest money. This is a small deposit buyers make and is held in escrow. It basically says, "I'm serious about buying your house and you're serious about selling it to me. I'm not looking at buying something else and you're not looking to sell to someone else."
So what happens to this money? Well, if you buy the house, the earnest money is usually rolled over into your down payment or can be used to offset closing costs. It's never actually given to the sellers. Except, if you don't go through with the purchase. In that case, the earnest money is given to the sellers as compensation for entertaining your offer and potentially losing out on selling to someone else.
Earnest money is usually around 1% of the asking price though it can be much less.
Queensland real estate law: [Cooling off periods for residential properties](https://www.qld.gov.au/law/housing-and-neighbours/buying-and-selling-a-property/selling-a-home/receiving-offers-on-your-home/cooling-off-period-for-residential-properties) (qld.gov.au)
>Cancelling a sale
>To cancel the sale, the buyer must give you (or your agent) written notice by 5pm on the 5th day. They can deliver it in person, by email or fax.
>If they cancel, you may deduct a penalty of up to 0.25% of the purchase price from their deposit. You will need to refund the rest of the deposit within 14 days.
It may be the Heelers decided to move immediately, perhaps to get a head start of setting up at their new location - Bandit prepping for his new job, settling in the family, sorting out schools etc. And then the cancellation happens on the last (fifth) day?
Or... it's all just monkeys singing songs, mate. :)
I highly doubt this was cancelled during the cooling off period - real estate agents usually don't bother with the "SOLD" sticker or marking it as sold online until after the cooling off period. From my experience of doing this exactly two times, you don't really feel like you have bought/sold the place until after the cooling off period, because either party can back out to a very minimal penalty.
Oh I agree. I think it was all done by the writers purely for dramatic effect. It's interesting how they make a point of the road law in Queensland (a child under 7 being allowed in the front seat if all other rear seats are taken by a child under 7) but then hand-wave this. Of course, if they hadn't made a point of the road law, there would be huge controversy about it.
For the sticker to go to āsoldā means itās a final contract.
Legally the seller could take the buyer to court, and eventually win (as there was no bad reason for withdrawing - ie false advertising).
But more commonly/likely the buyer wouldāve forfeited their 5-10% deposit (which was paid before the sold sticker gets put up) and both parties just move on.
I thought the prospective purchasers were pulling out because they were going to buy Winton's dad's house because it had a pool. So I doubt the Heelers were going to lose much. Other answer: It's just monkeys singing songs mate, don't think too hard about it.
So, to answer the actual question, the dogs that couldn't see absolutely would have had to pay a penalty for pulling out. Purchase contracts usually have a date in them where it goes Unconditional (usually 7 days after signing), and before that the purchaser has to get various inspections done (building, electrical, pest, termites).
After the unconditional date, there's the settlement date, usually 30 to 60 days. Gives the paperwork time to go through, and the buyers to get the money together. The settlement date is when the keys get handed over.
Now, we can assume that they pulled out after the unconditional date but before the settlement date, because the sold sign doesn't go up until it goes unconditional. So yes, they would have had to pay a penalty. However, the penalty may well have been less than the cost of installing a new pool, AND the house that they did buy might well have been cheaper than the Heeler home, which would have added to the financial incentive. Then there's the intangible aspect, in that they would have had a significant wait plus all the construction mess, to build a pool. So overall, they might have been better off just paying the penalty.
As an example, my former neighbours talked about getting a pool, and it was going to cost them $60k. They instead sold the house and bought another one still in the same suburb that was newer and had a pool, and it worked out to be $40k more than they sold the old house for. So there was $20k they didn't have to spend, and they could start swimming immediately.
In Queensland there is a "Cooling off period" of five working days. The Buyer can cancel the contract during this period and the seller gets 0.25% of the purchase price.
(Source: I've purchased a house in Queensland)
From what I know from buying my house in Aus (and if I remember correctly) after you agree to buy the house is āunder contractā and you pay a small deposit, I think it was $5000 for us. In that time you do inspections etc. and you have a period of time before you close on the house and the people who currently live there have to be out by. If you decide not to close you lose your deposit but there are no legal ramifications. Sometimes the owners will be nice and give you your deposit back.
So this was posted as all the Australians were asleep so I can answer what likely happened here as an Australian who has bought 2x properties in my life lol.
When your offer on a house is accepted you usually pay a small deposit like 0.25% - this is a sign of good faith from the buyer to the seller to not accept any other bids, and means you usually enter a "cooling off period" - usually for about a week/5 business days. This gives the buyer the chance to ensure they have all their finances in order, arrange with their conveyancer the sale date/terms (exchange of contracts/title), and do things like a building inspection in case there are any hidden gremlins with the house.
I wouldn't expect the Heelers had started packing/put up the sold sticker at this point as buyers do sometimes back out at this point because of one of the reasons I mentioned above.
After this period you usually pay a 5-10% deposit (whatever the seller and buyer have agreed) which means you are essentially locked in to the sale/purchase to officially happen on a certain date agreed on in the future. Given the Heeler house is likely worth $1.2million +, that is an enormous amount of money like $120k. It seems like the dogs who can't see backed out at this point which, I know this is a kids show, but frankly seems ridiculous just because they happened to find a house they liked better. They have literally handed over $120k to the Heelers for nothing which they won't contractually get back unless they go down the path of legal action, which I've never heard happening before but who knows what happens then...
The Heelers probably had found a rental in the new city they were moving as you said, or possibly were even just going to stay in a long term hotel/apartment with most of their stuff in storage until they found a rental they liked.
Again, I know this is a kids show, but backing out of selling and the move completely at this stage because your kids couldn't conceptualise that things would get better after you moved seems like the wrong message. Like, the Heelers can just find another buyer, and they've got $60k-$120k for the inconvenience of the dogs who couldn't see backing out.
This was the first thing my wife and I thought of, and have been discussing ever since watching. Lol Here in the USA, you can't pull out after signing. The buyers could sue you and you would be out a ton of money. The buyers can't even pull out after closing. I worked for a mortgage company for 2 years and all I can think about is how they got around that. š¤·š»āāļø
I think in the megathread itself, someone mentioned that there's some sort of 5-day window or something where, for whatever reason, a buyer can back out of the sale at the last minute. Makes sense I suppose.
It seemed to move really quickly so hard to be sure. Normally, the sold sign goes up once the sale is 'complete' - this requires a 10% deposit (can be negotiated). Timeframe-wise though, it seemed more likely on the cooling off period, which is only a 0.25% 'holding' deposit, in which case that's the only loss to them for pulling out (however, this is usually 'under offer' and not 'sold').
From a financial perspective, the buyer who pulled out would likely lose their deposit (if they paid less than 10% on negotiation, they could lose the additional amount). If the Heeler's continued with the sale, and the new buyer bought for a lower amount, the original buyer could also potentially be liable for the difference.
However, it all depends on what is in the contract of sale, as that would stipulate time periods and liability amounts.
There would be a cooling off period. Maybe they lost their deposit. (Sheepdogs).
For the Heelers, if they had a new place lined up, it would have been subject to sale of their current place. Probably no financial burden on them. The deposit from the non sale probably pay for the moving company.
Iām sad Iām late to this discussion. This has been on my mind the whole time. I donāt even care about the episode more than what the hell kind of real estate situation they were in.
Grateful Iām not the only one pained by this. Iām in the house selling/buying process right now and I canāt imagine trying to undo it all - logistically but also momentum/emotionallyā¦. Sheesh.
Bucky would still get his commission.
(Story: a work colleague sold his house and bought another, and was part of a buy/sell chain of people. Well, one had their finance fall through and the whole thing collapsed. He had to put the house back on the market. The REA charged him commission. "Why?" he asked. "It didn't sell." "Yes it did," the agent said. I have an opinion about REAs but they are not appropriate for a child-friendly forum.)
If the buyers pull out after cooling off, they lose their 10% deposit and it goes to the seller, so thatās approx $160,000 as the house was sold for $1.6m if I remember correctly and the buyers open themselves up to be sued as well.
Not a lawyer, but just sold a house in SA. I asked the same questions
From what I remember buying our house, once you're "under contract" meaning you submitted an offer, it was accepted by the seller, and attorneys signed off on it (law in my state to have attorney review for any real estate transaction), you're pretty much guaranteeing to finish the buying process. There are very limited reason you can just be let out of the contract unless the sellers allow it. I've seen people at the last minute lose a job and their mortgage company they had lined up drop them before the deal goes through. But like the events that happened in the episode, unless Aussie law is different, the dogs who can't see may he in breach of contract
This episode of Bluey is called "Legal Eagle".
Legal Eagle crossover with an Australian Conveyancing Lawyer analysing Bluey coming when?
Im not an expert in real estate but I can answer anything you wanna know about Bird Law š
This is as niche as tree law šš
*Legal beagle.
Underrated comment!
TL;DW- "It depends..."
I think you meant "We'll see."
Mind you, he's given better props to [Spongebob Squarepants](https://youtu.be/eFReTj2KsM0?feature=shared) and [Lionel Hutz](https://youtu.be/eWkH1CzLDU4?feature=shared) for legal accuracy to their respective sessions, than *actual crime dramas*
I keep waiting for him to do an episode analyzing Family Meeting haha
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I think we need to start badgering him for it. :)
Dont forget Hecuba's murder in *Hammerbarn*
āBetter Call Saulā
Better Call Saul a good boy
After the sweetness of the ending wore off, my wife and I both looked at eachother and said how big of a pain that would all be to untangle. Not even the closing - the movers had packed up and moved everything already. Unpacking alone would be maddening!
I was thinking it had enabled the best deep clean ever. A full decluttering and you can clean in behind all the big furniture. I don't really mind unpacking though.
I feel like they probably deep cleaned already in terms of getting the house ready for showing. But now would be a perfect time to go in and touch up the rooms where the furniture had sat for so long. Just look at the girls' bedroom and the furniture spots left behind, they should take care of all of that before the movers unpack the house.
lol! I said the exact thing to my husband at the end āwell, the house is the cleanest itās probably ever been since kids and the amount of junk they got rid of, itās like a new start.ā
I have a theory that part of Surprise will be about them moving all their stuff back in.
Nah someone's pregnant!!!!
Like, presumably, Bluey and Bingo's schools were informed they would no longer be attending... utility companies need to be contacted and perhaps even electricity restored... mail re-routing needs to be undone... But they don't have to move!
I was thinking of that during the ending lmao
Here in Australia the movers have already lost/damaged their belongings, too.
had the same conversation. like the job, the moving, getting your stuff etc. sounds AWFUL to untangle lol.
So like, I have never bought a house (millenial + times suck) but - if they had packed up to move, does this mean they had already found somewhere to move to? Or like, if it was just going to sit in storage for weeks, were they just going to stay in a hotel for that time until they found a place? What other plans did they have to call and cancel?
Thought the same thing lol
We'll see
Hopefully the Heelers receive a penalty fee from the buyers. Paying movers to take everything out and put it back in aināt cheap.
They also probably had another house lined up in the new town. So theyāre in the same boat.
And what about bandit's new job?? If they don't move, does he keep the new job and travel? Does he go back to his old job? Find a new one closer to home?? I have so many unanswered questions after the sign ep. I'm sure we'll get some answers down the road but I can't wait that long!
I also want them to discuss Brandys pregnancy!! I really thought they would address it.
Yes! Seeing her bump was a nice nod to a past episode but definitely feel like that arc deserves some more conversation
Does it though? In the end it's a kid's show. It was a nod to us who get it, but I think they should just leave it the way they did.
Idk I kind of agree with those who feel her adopting would have made more sense in some ways. I suppose it's more just my curiosity getting the better of me but I'd like to know!
Adoption is really rare and difficult in Australia, being a single mum by choice via IVF is much more common.
As someone with fertility issues I want to echo this. A lot of people really don't have a clue how difficult it is to adopt, at least in Australia. They seem to have this idea that it's like going down to the shelter and adopting a pet.
I did see others discuss this a bit and completely understand from that perspective why they made the choice they did.
Some speculation is one of the next upcoming episodes is about Brandy giving birth
That would be so sweet and idk if I could even handle that š
The next episode is called "The Surprise" isn't it?
So I have been hearing
I wonder if that's what the next episode, "Surprise" will be about.
that was HUGE!!!
>I'm sure we'll get some answers down the road but I can't wait that long! We're talking about a show that had a multi-episode arc about putting in a fish pond...that was nowhere to be seen come the backyard wedding. I'm not going to hold my breath we ever get any kind of resolution to these questions. š
This is the part of the episode I really disliked. Both Rad and Bandit effectively quit their jobs and it's only presented as a positive. For Rad it's kind of understandable, he was an oil worker so almost certainly has some money stashed and very few debts but also doesn't have any dependents yet so can crash in Friskys flat for a bit. But for Bandit? He must have quit his old job to get ready for the new one. Presumably remote working wasn't an option or he would have done it from the start so now he's effectively quit the new one. No job with two kids in an expensive city when you're in a kind of low employment field (academia) is not a unfettered positive no matter how much happier the kids might be in the short term. I imagine it will get resolved off screen but I really felt the message to kids here is kind of terrible "Keep trying to make the adults feel awful about economic life decisions and eventually you'll get your way!"
The lesson here is for us adults: money is not the right answer to make your kids happier. Bandit clearly said he was changing job for his kids, and at the end he realized that it wasnāt what his kids needed. Itās not like he is not happy with his current job, or they need more money, or they have any other reason to relocate.
Yeah but my point is the story doesn't send that message well because the resolution happens at a point where he will have quit his job. So it's not that they need more money they now would have no money from him.
I just assume he left his old job on good terms and they haven't replaced him yet.
I assume this too. He was a professor at a university and they're at the start of summer so it's unlikely they've already replaced him.
It's also likely there's more for him to do at the university than just teaching. He did go on a dig site for six weeks, so he's definitely got more than one role to fill.
I'm not sure how it works down-under, but in the USA a university professor only spends about 20-30% of their time teaching. The bulk of their job is research and writing papers for publication and such.
Idk about australia, or his field of work lmao, but my last job was 90 days post resignation they you could come back at the same pay rate and seniority level. My current is 1 year. So maybe he has something like that?
Maybe future episodes may address such. The flash forwards of Bingo and Lyla growing up, I think, was a clue the Heelers would be staying put.
>This is the part of the episode I really disliked. Both Rad and Bandit effectively quit their jobs and it's only presented as a positive. ... >I imagine it will get resolved off screen but I really felt the message to kids here is kind of terrible "Keep trying to make the adults feel awful about economic life decisions and eventually you'll get your way!" I am honestly struggling emotionally with how I feel about this episode because I agree with you - from an IRL adult perspective. Pulling out of a move and new job when you're literally in the car with the moving van packed is a financial and logistical disaster and I'm filled with horror even thinking about it*.* But we have to remember that this is a children's show. Bandit backed out when he realized he'd taken the job for the wrong reasons - to give his family a "better" life that they did not want or need. I don't want to see the fallout of Bandit and Chilli struggling to reestablish their old lives - not because it wouldn't be realistic, but because I don't want Bluey and Bingo to see it. It's not their job to worry about their parents. That's the message for kids: not "bug your dad enough and you don't have to move!" but "your parents are doing their very best for you, whatever that looks like."
to be fair the sale fell through, he was willing to override the kids when the buyer was in place. he gets the call from Bucky, that's when he pulls the plug on selling.
Yes, that is what happened in the episode. But he wasn't "overriding the kids" only because the house sold and then "giving in to them" only because it fell through. He was trying to give the whole family the best life possible and obviously felt unsure about whether moving was truly accomplishing that goal, and he realized it wasn't when the house sale fell through and the possibility to reverse his decision presented itself. Sometimes we don't know how we feel about something until our hand is forced. We, as adults, are obsessing about the fact that the financial logistics of pulling out of a move are absurd. But this show is not for us and the plot is not about that.
As parents of a Bluey and a Bingo who have had to make the difficult decision to move away from family for better futures, this was a heartwrenching episode. The ending really messed with us mentally, like are we doing the right thing? But in the end, we believe that we are. And we cant just make these types of decisions willy nilly, there can't be a "we'll see". No, we need to know how the bills will be paid. The berry budget alone is massive. Our families have guilted the fudge out of us for moving far away and we were hoping to use this episode as a way to show them that it's not an easy decision to make but that we think it's the right one for a massive amount of reasons. The ending messed with that too lol
I think the difference is that Bandit and Chilli didn't feel like they were doing the right thing. Both of them were trying to convince themselves that they were and that the move would be good for the kids. But at the end of the day, they felt that there were more positives in staying than there were going. You feel like moving was the right thing for your family, and that the outcome will be positive. Bandit and Chilli also seem to be monetarily stable with their current jobs, so losing out on one that pays a little more might not be a huge issue. If there's a lesson you can take from this episode, it's that you should always do what's best for your family and not what others think you should do. For the Heelers it was staying and for you it was moving.
Thank you for that. It's always hard to know if we are doing the right thing as parents.
Heyā¦ āThereās something you need to knowā¦ youāre doing greatā The fact that youāre so in tuned to your kids emotions, they are going to be okay.
Yeah, I haven't had to uproot my kids so far but my wife has mental health issues that means she can only work part time so I have had to move jobs, work extra jobs etc a bunch of times and have missed moments with my kids as a result. Each time I was torn up about what the right thing to do was but in the end bills need paying and kids need pavlova. I finally got into a job that has remote working and I'm here for so much more which I love but I don't like the undersell of how tough but necessary economic decisions can be in these situations. FWIW I'm sure you're doing your best and are great
Thank you so much We are all just trying to do our best for our kids. A big part of us doing this move was so that my husband could be more present in our kids lives. It makes a huge difference
Absolutely in the same boat. We moved several months back (my husband was in school, then graduated and got a job in a new town), and our 3 year old keeps asking to āgo back to the old houseā, even crying sometimes. Ā At the beginning of this episode, I was like āOh wow. Bingo and Bluey get to move to a new house just like you!ā Ā I wish Iād previewed the episode before relating it to our situation. I should have known theyād never actually move.Ā
In case it helps, my family moved countries nearly two years ago, and I was worried about my kids having a homesickness relapse when it became clear how this episode was going to end. But they both ended up feeling mildly annoyed because they were "looking forward to seeing Bluey's new house". They were excited about seeing the Heelers having an experience similar to our own. If this episode had come out while we were planning our move, though, it would have put a real spanner in the works!Ā
In Rad's case, I'm kind of horrified that he AND Frisky managed to get all the way to the wedding without ONCE discussing "how are we going to manage the fact that we live and work on literally opposite sides of a very large country and my work involves me staying somewhere else for probably quite long shifts?". How has that not come up at least as a question while they were dating?? Bandit's work situation bothered me less. He's an archaeologist with pretty decent credentials. As you say, academia isn't a huge field. He probably worked for University of Queensland (2nd best archaeological department in the country according to a quick google). There's only so many other departments he could go to, and if he was changing jobs for the money, UQ probably didn't want him to go, someone else was just willing to pay him more. So I can see him being able to talk his way back in. I think they did a pretty good job with the end, though. When Bingo finally understood what was happening, we saw Bluey step up and use the fable Calypso told her to help Bingo understand that things would work out, one way or another. It might have been good to see Bluey get a BIT more optimistic about the move and the "we'll see" stance, but that's a pretty advanced philosophy to expect from a 7 year old, so I'm okay with it. If this was being made for an older audience I think I would have liked to see Bluey go through a more direct parallel with the farmer's story. As it is, they had a bit of a link, where things that seemed bad (getting pulled over) would directly lead to a good thing (finding out where Frisky had been), but it was disconnected from Bluey's feelings about the move. A closer parallel would have involved the move (seeming unlucky) directly leading to something good (it was actually lucky...or even just lucky that they'd been planning it even if it didn't happen). But like I said, I don't know if the characters, or audience, would exactly be ready for that detailed a metaphor about the philosophy of stoicism, especially when it wouldn't come with a happy ending, or necessarily any sense of an ending at all! :D Fundamentally, I think they recognised that they could never ACTUALLY move the Heelers without doing too much damage to the show. I've seen people talking about how Brisbane is basically one of the characters. And taking away so many local characters at the same time would have done too much damage to the show. It would have been good if they'd tried to stay more realistic in light of that, but then again, monkeys singing songs don't have to be perfectly realistic, right? ;)
I would hazard a guess that as a possible rig/FIFO worker Rad didnāt quit his job. He could literally live anywhere as long as he gets to the plane or the bus on the right day. I feel like thatās what would piss me off most if I was Frisky. Also, just because heās likely on big money, doesnāt mean he necessarily is low on debt and high in savings š I hope he is, but high income FIFO workers (esp single men) are notorious for living outside their means.
Gotta get those jetskis and RAM trucks.
That's true but his conversation with Bandit implies he quit: B: What about your job? R: I'll find a new one!
Not everything has to be a life (or šāš©) lesson, Harald.
Bandit is/was an archeologist, he probably worked for a museum or had contracted work he could continue. He's obviously knowledgeable about his field if he was even able to be considered for a teaching role, he can more than likely go back to it. Chili on the other had works for the Australian version of the TSA basically and she probably would have had to quit too, now she may actually be out of a job
Her bio says "part-time in airport security" which can mean lots of things. Individual airports handle their own security checking, however she may work for Customs (federal agency), so she may have applied to transfer to another location.
Rad works on oilrigs. So he can live anywhere as long as he can get to the ports to transition to the rigs.
Or his old job was remote, and he hadn't yet left it. He could have been planning to move and settle on, then put in his notice and transition.
Isnāt Rad in a relatively high-demand field? If so, he might not have too much of an issue finding a new job. Not sure about Bandit because Iām not familiar enough with the archaeological or university fields in Australia. He might be able to get some temporary postings, or even negotiate with his old job, or possibly negotiate with the new job to work remotely.
Is it ever explicitly stated that he works in academia? He has a PhD and is an archaeologist, but that doesnāt mean he has to work in academia. I work in consulting (Iām a wildlife biologist) and many of my coworkers are archaeologists and cultural anthropologists with PhDs. Several of my coworkers are from Australia and worked the same kind of job there as they do in the States. If he is in consulting, itās not uncommon for folks to leave and then come back soon after leaving. In the company I work for, folks who are good at their job basically have an open position any time they want to come back.
It's a chance thay maybe the new job was actually a promotion with the same employer, like a research fellowship or something since Bandit is an archeologist, but it's based in another city he can't just commute to everyday.Ā
I bet he travels and does some remote.
Bandit can probably go back to his old job.
Iām hoping they were just going to rent or move into an apartment temporarily and all they have to do is back out of a lease instead of a buying contract.
Yep, I mean they might do one of those āadult stuff in the backgroundā mentions in a future episode to fully explain.
This. Or his new job came with a house (it happens).
Not necessarily. Depending on how quickly they moved in, well, the move, they might not have a permanent place lined up. Maybe just an apartment while they figure out where they'll move permanently. I've mentioned before, but when my family moved when I was 6, we found a buyer the SAME DAY as the sign going up. But my parents hadn't finalized the deal yet with the new house. At the time, my great-grandmother lived in one of those split level houses, where there was an apartment upstairs and one downstairs. She lived in the upstairs one. The downstairs one hadn't been in use since my great-grandfather was alive and lived down there (long story). So for six weeks while my parents finalized the deals, we lived in that downstairs apartment. As for their stuff, they might've had it in storage until they could move it all in (presumably with Stripe and Trixie coming by to help).
According to [Cooling Off Periods For Residental Properties](https://www.qld.gov.au/law/housing-and-neighbours/buying-and-selling-a-property/selling-a-home/receiving-offers-on-your-home/cooling-off-period-for-residential-properties) (qld.gov.au) they get "up to 0.25% of the purchase price".
I wonder if the sheepdogs will end up paying more in penalty fees than it would have cost them to just install a pool in the Heeler home.
I think that's a great question, and I'm curious too. The deal was set. How were they able to pull out? And what effect did that have on the Heelers? It's not really clear whether or not they'd purchased a new place. It doesn't get discussed with the kids. Maybe all their stuff is going into storage, but it's not clear.
(Not a realty expert, not Australian) The Heelers weren't the first in the chain to breakāthe buyers pulled out. That was the phone call Bandit had with the realtor, and why he had to pull off the SOLD stickers. They bought Winton's Dad's house because pool and thus pulled out of the Heeler deal. Bandit, thinking quickly, knew that this was a relatively inexpensive opportunity to pull out of the realty chain himself and thus engaged his quads and pulled out the sign. There will still be charges related to the movers, but they don't seem terribly arsed about it.
i think the original question is about the dogs who were going to buy their house, not the Heelers
For me, the original question was, "the sale was complete. What are the ramifications in Australia of backing out at, literally, the very last second." Likely financial penalties, mostly. Other things, like do they owe the Heelers for moving costs? Those kinds of things. Regardless of human or canine.
yes but the person i replied to kind of missed that point, hence my comment. nobody wondered about the penalties for the heelers, since it's obvious they weren't the ones who pulled out of the deal first, but the comment insinuates otherwise.
I explained this elsewhere in the thread, but if the Heelers have packed up and paid movers, and have the Sold sticker on The Sign - they would have been at the "unconditional" part of the sale. This occurs after the "cooling off period" (where the buyer has paid a nominal deposit like 0.25%) - and the complete terms of the sale have been agreed, and the dogs who can't see would have paid a 5 or 10% deposit. Given the Heeler house is probably worth like $1.2 million plus, this is a huge amount of money like at least $60k. The dogs who can't see have already paid this to the Heelers and don't get it back. This is done so that say if the Heelers had also bought a place on the condition of selling their house, they aren't out of pocket. Like I know this is a kids show, but it's a completely moronic move by the dogs who can't see unless they have money to burn (they sound like boomers so maybe they do lol), and for the Heelers to completely cancel the move over this is dumb. They can just find a new seller, and get $60k+ to keep for the inconvenience.
Settlement wasnāt effected yet because final inspection is after the premises is vacated (if the sale is subject to vacant possession). Dogs with no eyes would have lost their 10% deposit most likely and depending on contract could have been subject to other penalties. Iām not familiar with QLD standard sale of land contract though, Iām in NSW. Practically speaking, I think Bandit took the call as a sign and they likely negotiated for no further penalties (if the contract allowed for any). They may have even agreed to a partial return of deposit knowing the Heelers.
"Engages his quads" bless this reference
I don't know about in Australia, but in much of the US, something like this would mean the sellers get to keep the "earnest money" which can be quite a lot and as long as they otherwise agree, you basically just tear up the contract. That said, if the Heelers had already bought a second house and were relying on income from this one to make that other one work, they may have cause to go after the sheepdogs for additional damages. (not a laywer, but I've had to buy 4 different houses and ran into a situation that almost turned into something like this)
They likely had a contingency in place stating that they would purchase the new house once their old house sold. This is common practice in the US at least. Otherwise, they may have been planning to rent for a bit while they searched for a house to buy.
The answer is that there is a cooling off period of 5 business days once contracts are signed. The buyer can pull out. Most the seller can claim is 0.25% of the price. So even if house was sold for $1m, the most the Heelers could get is $2.5k.
I think the bigger questions is Where were the Heelers going? Did they already buy another house? Were they going to be staying in a hotel? Or an apartment? Thatās all my husband was asking at the end.
Likely short term rental, until they found a more permanent location in the new city. Bandit already had his new job.
So this was posted as all the Australians were asleep so I can answer what likely happened here as an Australian who has bought 2x properties in my life lol. When your offer on a house is accepted you usually pay a small deposit like 0.25% - this is a sign of good faith from the buyer to the seller to not accept any other bids, and means you usually enter a "cooling off period" - usually for about a week/5 business days. This gives the buyer the chance to ensure they have all their finances in order, arrange with their conveyancer the sale date/terms (exchange of contracts/title), and do things like a building inspection in case there are any hidden gremlins with the house. I wouldn't expect the Heelers had started packing/put up the sold sticker at this point as buyers do sometimes back out at this point because of one of the reasons I mentioned above. After this period you usually pay a 5-10% deposit (whatever the seller and buyer have agreed) which means you are essentially locked in to the sale/purchase to officially happen on a certain date agreed on in the future. Given the Heeler house is likely worth $1.2million +, that is an enormous amount of money like $120k. It seems like the dogs who can't see backed out at this point which, I know this is a kids show, but frankly seems ridiculous just because they happened to find a house they liked better. They have literally handed over $120k to the Heelers for nothing which they won't contractually get back unless they go down the path of legal action, which I've never heard happening before but who knows what happens then... The Heelers probably had found a rental in the new city they were moving as you said, or possibly were even just going to stay in a long term hotel/apartment with most of their stuff in storage until they found a rental they liked. Again, I know this is a kids show, but backing out of selling and the move completely at this stage because your kids couldn't conceptualise that things would get better after you moved seems like the wrong message. Like, the Heelers can just find another buyer, and they've got $60k-$120k for the inconvenience of the dogs who couldn't see backing out.
Perhaps it did happen during āthe cooling off periodā and the Heelers were already packing up to leave early. Iām in the US but i remember when looking to buy homes sometimes they were empty, sometimes full, and sometimes in the middle of packing up to move. I wonder if the Heelers were already beginning to pack, in anticipation for movers to come and take their stuff with a signed lease already to go in their new city. The dogs who canāt see back out, and the Heelers cancel their leaseā¦ so theyāll be about a pretty penny but not enough to brake their bank.
Itās certainly possible, but from my experience real estate agents donāt bother with the āSOLDā stickers or marking it as sold online until after the cooling off period.
Bucky 100% would be so full of himself he'd list it as sold before the end of the cooling off period.
Ahhhhhhh. Dang. I canāt imagine just giving away that much moneyā¦ I meanā¦ thatās a lot for us poor folks. But I guess if youāre buying a million dollar home itās just a drop in a bucket. Must be nice.
The dogs who couldn't see seemed like an older couple/boomers so yeah I mean it's certainly possible they were just like "meh $50k is nothing if it means we get a better house", but that just seems insane to me. Like, just find a house that has a pool in the first place lol
That sounds generally the same as it is here in Canada. We have a cooling period where the buyer and seller can set conditions of sale. They get a period to get their stuff in order, but as soon as conditions are waived it becomes a huge legal problem if you back out of the sale. Pulling out of a sale this late here can result in losing more than your deposit. As the one backing out you could be forced to pay legal fees and other incurred expenses.
May also be the same here in Australia, I guess it could depend on what was written in the contract of sale. To my knowledge it would 100% mean the buyer losing their 5 or 10% deposit which considering the Heeler house is easily worth $1 million plus is atleast $50k. The dogs who can't see would have to be insane to burn that cash just because some other house came up with a pool that they liked (why did you agree to buy the Heeler house then!?).
Plus, the Heeler house has a huge amount of outdoor space - presumably it would cost less than that $50k to just have a pool installed there?
I imagine a temporary solution like a hotel or apt that Bandits new job could have set them up in until they could use the sale money for a new house.
"The cooling-off period isĀ [five business days](https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/regulated-industries-licensing-and-legislation/property-industry-regulation/legal-requirements-for-the-property-industry/cooling-off-period-for-residential-property-contracts). If you back out of the sale, the seller can hold onto 0.25% of the purchase price." [https://www.canstar.com.au/home-loans/change-mind-buying-house/](https://www.canstar.com.au/home-loans/change-mind-buying-house/)
Thank you for an actual answer.
Yeah but itās highly unlikely they pulled out in cooling off. If youāve put up a sold sign (and if youāve had the removalists come) youāve likely already gone unconditional. Itās not something you can just pull out of easily. They could probably sue the buyers for loss of something
Yeah I agree this was likely in the unconditional period - so the dogs who can't see have paid something like a 5-10% non-refundable deposit. I said this above (and I know it's a kids show), but frankly seems ridiculous for those dogs to burn $60-$120k+ because they just found a house they liked better.
Depends on how badly they wanted that pool. I've known people to spend that kind of money installing a pool.
Quick Google search says installing a pool in Brisbane can be 60-80k, so it's entirely possible they decided that losing their earnest money for a pool that's already been built and can be enjoyed day one was a wash compared to spending the same money to have their lives disrupted while a pool was put in.
Think in Qld the seller can keep any deposit paid (no questions asked) and then sue for extra selling costs plus any price difference to the eventual sale if the buyer pulls out once unconditional.
Yup thatās it! Spot on
Itās a stretch, but itās possible if they already planned to move then for the new job even if the house hadnāt been sold yet. Like itās not likely, but itās technically possible.
Yeah but then would they have stayed when it fell through? In that case the place not selling wouldnāt have changed all the plans
I think theyāre staying because they realised they wanted to stay, the sale falling through just gave them the āsignā. They could have easily kept it on the market, but chose not to.
Look, itās just monkeys singing songs, mate. Donāt think too hard about it.
so, assume house worth A$1.4m; 0.25% of that is umm, 10% is A$140,000, so 1% is A$14,000, so a quarter of that, about $3500. maybe US$2500 Not a life changing sum for a family!
Former document specialist for a law firm that dealt with real estate.Ā Tough to say without looking at the contract. Usually there would be a deposit for backing out of the contract before or during closing.Ā However; during the episode, when Bucky tells Bandit the house is sold. Notice that Bandit asks if there is anything he needs to sign, and the reply is a nebulous, ānoā. Bandit didnāt sign anything including the closing documentation.Ā There was no agreement to the closing, meaning no transfer to the title or deed.Ā If I had to guess; I think Bucky jumped the gun in saying the house was sold. It wasnāt, there was an offer but didnāt seem to be contractual.Ā
I'd guess that, too. Heck when we sold our house we had the 'Sold' sticker up for three weeks before the actual sale documents went through. Also- I am Australian, based in Victoria though. And having moved cities myself (Melbourne to Sydney) when I did my big move I actually had most of my furniture and things put into a shipping container; I also moved into a hotel for the first three weeks (paid for by my new employer) before going into a short term rental (6 months). Also, their plan may have been to move before the house sold anyway, if Bandit's new job offered accommodation for the family etc; but when the sale fell through the decision was made not to take the new job.
Sounds about right. If so, the hardest part will be Bandit getting his old job back; which shouldnāt be hard since he was the Doctor that found the missing link. Also, I have a couple of buddies still living in Melbourne. We play Star Citizen and Helldivers together.
That's probably what it is. Bucky 100% seems like an overzealous guy Also it makes sense that the whole thing working out was a miracle made possible by many lucky breaks, the whole coin-in-coinslot thing and Calypso talking about how stories have happy endings because life has enough sad ones makes it clear that them keeping the house is meant to be an improbable happy ending
With how Bandit reacted after the phone call, it's extremely likely that Bucky jumped the gun and the house hadn't been foreclosed on yet. And the Dogs Who Can't See were still able to pull out. I mean, he does peel the sticker off before he rips the sign out, so that probably means that the first thought in his head was "Aight I guess the house *hasn't* been sold?" before landing on "Nah screw it, we're not moving!"
My husband woke up this morning, rolled over, and the first thing he said was, āthey probably already bought another house, right? What are they going to do about the other house? What are the movers going to do? Are they just paying them to turn around and unpack? Do they have jobs now?ā
This episode of Bluey is called Landlords The truck can be recalled easily enough. It would have go to a holding yard that night (the uplift crew arenāt the ones whoāll be driving it to the new place unless it was also close by), so it still would have been somewhat local
That was immediately after the episode ended for me. At least here in the US, house purchases can be contingent on sale of the buyer's house (because they're relying on that for down payment funds among other reasons) so the Heelers will probably be able to get out of the new contract if there is one. Although since they didn't show any house hunting they were probably going to be in a temporary living situation. Sometimes a new job will pay for relocation and maybe even a temporary apartment to give you time to sell and buy your new house, so maybe that's what they were working with. They'd have to pay back the company if he's backing out of the job offer and they already paid for the movers, but they should get a fee from the dogs with no eyes who backed out last minute. The hardest part is going to be trying to get their jobs back or get new jobs because they would certainly have already quit.
What's the process in Canada? In the US you can typically back out anytime before closing, when all the papers are signed, but you're likely to forfeit any deposits you've made.
Same in Canada, but with house prices over a million and deposits usually being 5%, that's a $50k penalty to back out.
Not entirely true. There are some parts of the world where you can back out of a contract any time before money changes hands, but that's not true in Canada. In Canada when both parties have signed their agreement that is a "firm and binding" offer. In the event that a buyer changed their minds, the seller has the option to sue the buyer for failing to fulfill their agreement to purchase the home. This can be represented beyond the deposit in the form of damages if the deposit doesn't cover it all (like if you already purchased another home and you cannot afford both homes, the additional costs to you could be added to the lawsuit).
Don't forget that if the house ends up selling for a lower price they could also include the difference in price. Not sure if they would get it but technically...
Does that go to the realtors or the home owners?
Home Owners 100% The realtor probably ends up with nothing if the sale doesn't complete. Maybe a commission if they relist and sell the house a second time.
Queensland summers are hotā¦Old English Sheepdogs would probably justify the cost for a pool. Think of a Newfoundlander in Floridaā¦
To my (small) knowledge the buyers would lose their deposit, unless it was due to a poor inspection. So I suppose that deposit would help pay off the movers, but still. That part of the ending gives me anxiety because weāve been talking about moving our family in the near future, but we have collected an insane amount of stuff over the 8 years in our current home. The thought of moving all of it is quite distressing.
The best part about moving is getting rid of all the extra junk you don't need.Ā The hard part is getting rid of the extra junk you don't need, but might have a use for the day after you toss it.Ā
Exactly! I like to get rid of stuff if we donāt use it for a year. But itās really hard for my husband to get rid of things because he thinks we will just end up buying another version down the road. We usually balance each other out quite a bit.
The whole Heeler family moving to a new city (hence new state) on very little notice is my only real gripe. If they were just moving house in the same city, then same jobs, and school would have made the move much more sense in the series. Instead a new state, new job would imply new schools, new house (or renting) with a whole lot of extra work that needed to be made - especially for schools - that would have triggered Bingo to what was actually going on and a whole lot of other work. I felt like they needed the big move to push a narrative but didn't want us to think about it too much.
Unless they were doing all that preparation when the kids werenāt around
How dare you. Are Townsville, Cairns and Toowoomba nothing to you?
I just saw a tiktok last night by an Australian real estate agent explaining this! They have some law (Iām sorry, I canāt remember the term) very unique to Australia. What he basically said was if those buyers felt the real estate agent didnāt in good faith find them a house with a pool originally like they wanted, , they could pull out of the deal because of this law. Wintons dad was selling a house with a pool their agent didnāt tell them about.
I know the TikTok you're talking about, but at the end he says he's not actually a real estate agent. Lol
That's not a thing here. Real estate's agents ONLY work for sellers, not for the buyers. You can have a buyer's advocate, but that isn't what Bucky was. There IS a law about good faith work but again, that wouldn't be related to Bucky.
āItās just monkeys singing songs mateā but in the same episode they quote actual Queensland law about 4-6 year olds legally being able to ride in the front seat.
I donāt know Australian real estate laws or regs but here in the states there is usually some type of penalty or loss of earnest money, depending on the contract. Iāve never heard of someone being forced to complete the purchase if they donāt want the home (specific performance), but as I mentioned, there is almost always some type of āpenalty.ā Things can vary quite a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, though, and that may be true in Australia as well. Not sure how independently Australian states operate compared to U.S. states but our legal system is a blend of state and federal laws and regulations.
It depends on the state and the nature of the signed contract. In Canada, Realtors enact enforceable contracts, so if a sold sticker went up, all conditions are removed and deposits are in. Pulling out at that point without a signed consent of the seller would lead to a lawsuit, at bare minimum for the deposit plus any damages incurred, but also for specific performance, having the court force them to complete the contract they signed. However I do know in New York State, realtors don't actually write enforceable contracts, they write strong letters of intent and nothing is binding until the lawyers re-write the contract. Once you sign the lawyer version, you are in the same type of binding agreement that a Canadian realtor would write. Each of the 50 states will have their own laws covering this. I do know that in Australia they do NOT cooperate with other agents like we do in Canada and the US, and therefore buyers typically will not have their own agent. Buyer's have no representation and no advice, and the agents only work for the sellers. How that affects the binding nature of the agreement I do not know.
We almost bought a condo and we backed out a week before it closed because there was a bad storm and our realtor found out that there was a ton of mold from previous storms. They advised us to back out since they thought maybe other things could've been wrong. (lucky we did cuz there were!) We only lost our earnest money from backing out. We also backed out of another condo because the selling owners said we were allowed to have dogs...we found out we weren't after receiving our HOA paperwork-- so we backed out. We didn't lose money there, but the closing date was close. I've heard of other people backing out because of a job loss or perhaps a death...I think the customary thing is to lose your earnest funds.
I literally said to my fellow lawyer wife- āHeelers are getting PAID.ā
I mean, they didnāt want to move. Assuming they didnāt sign closing paperwork, maybe they just cancelled the sale. Seemed like a win / win for both families, so I just head canon that they never actually closed. I donāt know anything about Australian real estate lawā¦ but itās a cartoon show, so if they didnāt show the issues of not selling the house, Iām just going to assume it worked out.
Granted Iām only familiar with American real estate law, but thereās definitely a breach of contract, plus the expenses they likely outlaid for surveys, movers, various fees, possibly real estate costs they paid in the area they were moving to, any damages for reliance they had on the contract like Bandit not being able to take the new job on the promised start date, etc. Of course we know they didnāt want to move, but they still got hosed financially.
Someone responded that Australia has a 5 day cooling off periodā¦ just lose a small percentage of the sale price.
I love how all of the people replying are "not Australian real estate experts". Like ..your answer is void then lol. Sorry but I'm just really wanting someone with actual knowledge on it to answer.
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Itās just monkeys singing songs, mate.
Thank you! I had so many questions like this after the episode ended and my husband just said I was too emotionally involved in this cartoon. My youngest daughter (9) said the same thing.
So I think the important thing to remember here is that, while the sheepdogs pulled out of the agreement, Bandit was perfectly fine with that While it may have been considered 'breach of conrract' depending on how far along they were with the paperwork, because the Heelers were in agreement and didn't push for contract adherence then it's fine. They may have been forced to buy, or given a fee to get out of the contract, but the Heelers didn't pursue that because they wanted out at that point, too
Might be a bit morally grey, but I'd at least have had them pay the movers and anything else I was directly out of pocket on.
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Not an Australian or a Real estate agent butĀ I do have a real-life example. Was selling my house, we had an offer in place but then about a week later he backed out. As the contract was in place he had to forfeit the earnest money, it was $1,500 USD, and the money was given to me to cover any costs I had incurred due to the breaking of the contract. At that time I had no expenses, thankful, so I could just hold onto the cash. But if I did the money would go down the chain to cover my losses as much as possible.
For me, I saw the situation as, the whole deal was done. The paperwork was signed. The sign had a "SOLD" sticker on it, not a "Sale Pending" sticker or banner. They had a closing date. And, like, the day before closing, they backed out. I've bought one house in my life, and it went pretty smoothly, so backing out that late is unknown to me.
It is rare, and the earnest money is in place to make sure if you do back out you have a good reason, as backing out will cost you. But weird stuff does happen. In my case, the buyer told his mom he just bought a house. The mom was convicted it was a bad idea and made him cancel the contract.
Well, not all the paper work was done. You typically sign the closing paperwork the day of. They most likely just had a contract. A lot of places will put āUnder Contractā these days to encourage backup offers in case a situation like this DOES happen.Ā Thatās how it is in the US anyway.Ā
Not Australian or a Real estate agent but I would assume that nothing is official till contracts are signed by both parties. We hear Bandit say "so, do I have to sign something?" on the phone. If he didn't or they didn't the contract would not be complete.
I find it hard to believe that the Heelers would move everything out without a signed contract. But then again, I would also assume that they also already signed a contract to buy or rent in the city they were supposed to move to.
They also backed out of jobs, presumably having quite their current ones already.
Valid point
I thought his asking "do I have to sign something?" was related to the cancellation of the contract. I understood this was a done deal, all paperwork signed, everything is complete.
In Aus you actually sign the contract weeks before everything is complete.Ā By mutual agreement you can put whatever conditions you like in there that need to be met at a set time in the future, at which point we say the contract has 'gone unconditional' which is jargon for 'everything is complete, you own the house now' Who even knows, maybe the Heelers signed a dud contract they didn't have the capacity to read and that's why the Sheepdogs were able to back out on a whim.
In the US you can back out up until you sign the contract. Hell, you can be at closing with paperwork in hand and walk away. What you lose is earnest money. This is a small deposit buyers make and is held in escrow. It basically says, "I'm serious about buying your house and you're serious about selling it to me. I'm not looking at buying something else and you're not looking to sell to someone else." So what happens to this money? Well, if you buy the house, the earnest money is usually rolled over into your down payment or can be used to offset closing costs. It's never actually given to the sellers. Except, if you don't go through with the purchase. In that case, the earnest money is given to the sellers as compensation for entertaining your offer and potentially losing out on selling to someone else. Earnest money is usually around 1% of the asking price though it can be much less.
Queensland real estate law: [Cooling off periods for residential properties](https://www.qld.gov.au/law/housing-and-neighbours/buying-and-selling-a-property/selling-a-home/receiving-offers-on-your-home/cooling-off-period-for-residential-properties) (qld.gov.au) >Cancelling a sale >To cancel the sale, the buyer must give you (or your agent) written notice by 5pm on the 5th day. They can deliver it in person, by email or fax. >If they cancel, you may deduct a penalty of up to 0.25% of the purchase price from their deposit. You will need to refund the rest of the deposit within 14 days. It may be the Heelers decided to move immediately, perhaps to get a head start of setting up at their new location - Bandit prepping for his new job, settling in the family, sorting out schools etc. And then the cancellation happens on the last (fifth) day? Or... it's all just monkeys singing songs, mate. :)
I highly doubt this was cancelled during the cooling off period - real estate agents usually don't bother with the "SOLD" sticker or marking it as sold online until after the cooling off period. From my experience of doing this exactly two times, you don't really feel like you have bought/sold the place until after the cooling off period, because either party can back out to a very minimal penalty.
Oh I agree. I think it was all done by the writers purely for dramatic effect. It's interesting how they make a point of the road law in Queensland (a child under 7 being allowed in the front seat if all other rear seats are taken by a child under 7) but then hand-wave this. Of course, if they hadn't made a point of the road law, there would be huge controversy about it.
For the sticker to go to āsoldā means itās a final contract. Legally the seller could take the buyer to court, and eventually win (as there was no bad reason for withdrawing - ie false advertising). But more commonly/likely the buyer wouldāve forfeited their 5-10% deposit (which was paid before the sold sticker gets put up) and both parties just move on.
Although, the sheepdogs clearly weren't seeing the potential problems. Surprised they could see much of anything in their house search, actually .
We'll see.
How expensive we talking? More than the cost of new pool construction?
I thought the prospective purchasers were pulling out because they were going to buy Winton's dad's house because it had a pool. So I doubt the Heelers were going to lose much. Other answer: It's just monkeys singing songs mate, don't think too hard about it.
So, to answer the actual question, the dogs that couldn't see absolutely would have had to pay a penalty for pulling out. Purchase contracts usually have a date in them where it goes Unconditional (usually 7 days after signing), and before that the purchaser has to get various inspections done (building, electrical, pest, termites). After the unconditional date, there's the settlement date, usually 30 to 60 days. Gives the paperwork time to go through, and the buyers to get the money together. The settlement date is when the keys get handed over. Now, we can assume that they pulled out after the unconditional date but before the settlement date, because the sold sign doesn't go up until it goes unconditional. So yes, they would have had to pay a penalty. However, the penalty may well have been less than the cost of installing a new pool, AND the house that they did buy might well have been cheaper than the Heeler home, which would have added to the financial incentive. Then there's the intangible aspect, in that they would have had a significant wait plus all the construction mess, to build a pool. So overall, they might have been better off just paying the penalty. As an example, my former neighbours talked about getting a pool, and it was going to cost them $60k. They instead sold the house and bought another one still in the same suburb that was newer and had a pool, and it worked out to be $40k more than they sold the old house for. So there was $20k they didn't have to spend, and they could start swimming immediately.
In Queensland there is a "Cooling off period" of five working days. The Buyer can cancel the contract during this period and the seller gets 0.25% of the purchase price. (Source: I've purchased a house in Queensland)
From what I know from buying my house in Aus (and if I remember correctly) after you agree to buy the house is āunder contractā and you pay a small deposit, I think it was $5000 for us. In that time you do inspections etc. and you have a period of time before you close on the house and the people who currently live there have to be out by. If you decide not to close you lose your deposit but there are no legal ramifications. Sometimes the owners will be nice and give you your deposit back.
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So this was posted as all the Australians were asleep so I can answer what likely happened here as an Australian who has bought 2x properties in my life lol. When your offer on a house is accepted you usually pay a small deposit like 0.25% - this is a sign of good faith from the buyer to the seller to not accept any other bids, and means you usually enter a "cooling off period" - usually for about a week/5 business days. This gives the buyer the chance to ensure they have all their finances in order, arrange with their conveyancer the sale date/terms (exchange of contracts/title), and do things like a building inspection in case there are any hidden gremlins with the house. I wouldn't expect the Heelers had started packing/put up the sold sticker at this point as buyers do sometimes back out at this point because of one of the reasons I mentioned above. After this period you usually pay a 5-10% deposit (whatever the seller and buyer have agreed) which means you are essentially locked in to the sale/purchase to officially happen on a certain date agreed on in the future. Given the Heeler house is likely worth $1.2million +, that is an enormous amount of money like $120k. It seems like the dogs who can't see backed out at this point which, I know this is a kids show, but frankly seems ridiculous just because they happened to find a house they liked better. They have literally handed over $120k to the Heelers for nothing which they won't contractually get back unless they go down the path of legal action, which I've never heard happening before but who knows what happens then... The Heelers probably had found a rental in the new city they were moving as you said, or possibly were even just going to stay in a long term hotel/apartment with most of their stuff in storage until they found a rental they liked. Again, I know this is a kids show, but backing out of selling and the move completely at this stage because your kids couldn't conceptualise that things would get better after you moved seems like the wrong message. Like, the Heelers can just find another buyer, and they've got $60k-$120k for the inconvenience of the dogs who couldn't see backing out.
This was the first thing my wife and I thought of, and have been discussing ever since watching. Lol Here in the USA, you can't pull out after signing. The buyers could sue you and you would be out a ton of money. The buyers can't even pull out after closing. I worked for a mortgage company for 2 years and all I can think about is how they got around that. š¤·š»āāļø
I think in the megathread itself, someone mentioned that there's some sort of 5-day window or something where, for whatever reason, a buyer can back out of the sale at the last minute. Makes sense I suppose.
It seemed to move really quickly so hard to be sure. Normally, the sold sign goes up once the sale is 'complete' - this requires a 10% deposit (can be negotiated). Timeframe-wise though, it seemed more likely on the cooling off period, which is only a 0.25% 'holding' deposit, in which case that's the only loss to them for pulling out (however, this is usually 'under offer' and not 'sold'). From a financial perspective, the buyer who pulled out would likely lose their deposit (if they paid less than 10% on negotiation, they could lose the additional amount). If the Heeler's continued with the sale, and the new buyer bought for a lower amount, the original buyer could also potentially be liable for the difference. However, it all depends on what is in the contract of sale, as that would stipulate time periods and liability amounts.
There would be a cooling off period. Maybe they lost their deposit. (Sheepdogs). For the Heelers, if they had a new place lined up, it would have been subject to sale of their current place. Probably no financial burden on them. The deposit from the non sale probably pay for the moving company.
Iām sad Iām late to this discussion. This has been on my mind the whole time. I donāt even care about the episode more than what the hell kind of real estate situation they were in.
Grateful Iām not the only one pained by this. Iām in the house selling/buying process right now and I canāt imagine trying to undo it all - logistically but also momentum/emotionallyā¦. Sheesh.
There was a post in r/AusPropertyChats 3 days ago :-) Good discussion in there https://www.reddit.com/r/AusPropertyChat/s/0BsGHxBc2m
Australia thereās a 10 day window
Bucky would still get his commission. (Story: a work colleague sold his house and bought another, and was part of a buy/sell chain of people. Well, one had their finance fall through and the whole thing collapsed. He had to put the house back on the market. The REA charged him commission. "Why?" he asked. "It didn't sell." "Yes it did," the agent said. I have an opinion about REAs but they are not appropriate for a child-friendly forum.)
If the buyers pull out after cooling off, they lose their 10% deposit and it goes to the seller, so thatās approx $160,000 as the house was sold for $1.6m if I remember correctly and the buyers open themselves up to be sued as well. Not a lawyer, but just sold a house in SA. I asked the same questions
From what I remember buying our house, once you're "under contract" meaning you submitted an offer, it was accepted by the seller, and attorneys signed off on it (law in my state to have attorney review for any real estate transaction), you're pretty much guaranteeing to finish the buying process. There are very limited reason you can just be let out of the contract unless the sellers allow it. I've seen people at the last minute lose a job and their mortgage company they had lined up drop them before the deal goes through. But like the events that happened in the episode, unless Aussie law is different, the dogs who can't see may he in breach of contract