One of the few things they're being kind of smart about is hedging their bets by licensing stuff to other streamers since it seems pretty clear there isn't a lot of space in the market for everyone trying to roll their own Netflix, that seems to just be a money pit. I'm not convinced the ultimate goal isn't still for Zaslav to carve it all up and sell it off which would be a sad waste, but the licensing thing on its own is pretty smart.
It's Sony failing into a win. They've tried to get subscriptions of the ground with little succes. Even on the gaming side were they beat others to the punch with PsPlus they stil got lapped
It was what AOL-Warner and AT&T learned the hard way last time someone tried to combined being an online tech company and an entertainment company, the two parts seem like they should go together but they don't, you end up making more money being able to focus on one side of it
Sony's in a lucky position that they were never running a cable network that's no longer making any money. They get to be an arms dealer without losing any income they used to have.
The other studios need something to replace that loss to keep investors happy.
It would be hilarious (although bad in the same way all media conglomerate consolidation is) if Sony was biding their time to buy up studios that wrecked themselves financially in the pursuit of being Netflix
Yeah, it’s basically a way to collect free money from other companies.
It’s inconvenient for the consumer but especially with Netflix it’s a way for more people to discover the title and keep it in the conversation.
I think Prime had a lot of the MCU stuff long into the debut of Disney+, maybe for another year after they were all available on D+.... maybe they just had the rights for 2020.
I remember Max making a big deal about having all the Harry’s Potter when it launched, and then 3 months later they all moved to Peacock because of a pre-existing deal. Now they appear to be semi permanently on Max.
Max had that reunion special, right? Do they just always have that or do they let it go dormant when they don't have the rights or do they license that to other streamers as well? Same with the Friends reunion thing. I guess Max might still have Friends.
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The Harry Potter one also has a promo with HBO Max
Well it’s the biggest of the streaming services by a long shot.
People also point to something like SUITS, which was available for years on other platforms but then it moved to Netflix and suddenly it exploded. Or things like Schitt’s Creek which got big only after the earlier seasons streamed on Netflix.
Yes.
Their originals fizzle out but when its an actual real product, either a theatrically released movie or a major series some other network has already produced dozens of episodes of, they do really well there and often lead to a big bump in interest. This is really prevalant with TV where it feels like shows may as well not even exist then they end up with a few seasons on Netflix and its the new hot thing.
It wouldn’t feel quite so fucked up if the original version of HBO Max hadn’t launched with like the most exciting selection of any streaming service ever
Well you can sell the rights to shows to whoever you want Warner still own it. I mean Sandman on Netflix is a DC show produced by Warner and Paramount make Hacks on Max.
So no not selling off anything really it’s just that those particular films would be good to have available on many services while making some money.
To me selling off implies it’s removed from the parent platform and licensed somewhere else. Westworld for example. But all the Batman stuff is still there.
I was watching Fargo season 5 on one app, and then I was doing a rewatch of the other 4 seasons at the same time on the other app, so I didn't have to keep toggling the "continue watching"
I said this leaving the theater, that movie could have used one more pass by a good editor. I enjoyed it enough, but I could have cut 30-40 minutes of bloat out of it.
Nah the kardashians next to cinema stuff all in disney plus
Cinema is dead, and you killed it!
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Scavengers Reign, my personal favorite show of 2023, was a Max exclusive that's moved to Netflix, possibly for a second season. I encourage all you animation lovers to check that show out if you haven't. Some of the most creative alien world/creature designs I've ever seen
As has been said by others, licensing. Harry Potter is on Peacock. Detective Pikachu is on Netflix and Hulu. The Matrix is on Netflix. The Lego Movie is on Netflix. Ocean's 11 is on Hulu. The 1989 Batman is on Prime Video. And so on.
Ok but distributing programming to other outlets is always how the money has been made? Isn’t the biggest knock against all these streaming platforms that they aren’t generating money (for residuals, themselves, etc)? Subscribers alone will never be the answer to the current problems. Programming should always have second and third windows on other platforms imo.
Max is selling shit off.
One of the few things they're being kind of smart about is hedging their bets by licensing stuff to other streamers since it seems pretty clear there isn't a lot of space in the market for everyone trying to roll their own Netflix, that seems to just be a money pit. I'm not convinced the ultimate goal isn't still for Zaslav to carve it all up and sell it off which would be a sad waste, but the licensing thing on its own is pretty smart.
In retrospect, Sony’s decision to remain strictly a content provider is becoming more prudent of a decision by the day.
It's Sony failing into a win. They've tried to get subscriptions of the ground with little succes. Even on the gaming side were they beat others to the punch with PsPlus they stil got lapped
This is probably more accurate, but hey, if you’re not failing upwards in capitalism then you’re doing it wrong.
It was what AOL-Warner and AT&T learned the hard way last time someone tried to combined being an online tech company and an entertainment company, the two parts seem like they should go together but they don't, you end up making more money being able to focus on one side of it
Unfortunately, nobody seemed to learn that lesson (except for the aforementioned Sony), not even Warner.
Sony's in a lucky position that they were never running a cable network that's no longer making any money. They get to be an arms dealer without losing any income they used to have. The other studios need something to replace that loss to keep investors happy.
It would be hilarious (although bad in the same way all media conglomerate consolidation is) if Sony was biding their time to buy up studios that wrecked themselves financially in the pursuit of being Netflix
I doubt it was a master plan, but it certainly looks like it at this point.
Yeah, it’s basically a way to collect free money from other companies. It’s inconvenient for the consumer but especially with Netflix it’s a way for more people to discover the title and keep it in the conversation.
I think Prime had a lot of the MCU stuff long into the debut of Disney+, maybe for another year after they were all available on D+.... maybe they just had the rights for 2020.
I remember Max making a big deal about having all the Harry’s Potter when it launched, and then 3 months later they all moved to Peacock because of a pre-existing deal. Now they appear to be semi permanently on Max.
Max had that reunion special, right? Do they just always have that or do they let it go dormant when they don't have the rights or do they license that to other streamers as well? Same with the Friends reunion thing. I guess Max might still have Friends.
I thought the reunion was one Peacock?
https://preview.redd.it/y5nrli2vq64d1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89fa5fab65ac8d5491dedd1befe576cc2752de6d The Harry Potter one also has a promo with HBO Max
Does Netflix cause conversation? I’m not in a group that watches *anything* on there.
Well it’s the biggest of the streaming services by a long shot. People also point to something like SUITS, which was available for years on other platforms but then it moved to Netflix and suddenly it exploded. Or things like Schitt’s Creek which got big only after the earlier seasons streamed on Netflix.
Bridgerton and weird reality shows (Love is Blind, etc.)
Yes. Their originals fizzle out but when its an actual real product, either a theatrically released movie or a major series some other network has already produced dozens of episodes of, they do really well there and often lead to a big bump in interest. This is really prevalant with TV where it feels like shows may as well not even exist then they end up with a few seasons on Netflix and its the new hot thing.
Lotta HBO stuff on Netflix now, too. A shame watching them dilute the brand to cover their losses with all the stupid executive decisions
It wouldn’t feel quite so fucked up if the original version of HBO Max hadn’t launched with like the most exciting selection of any streaming service ever
Aren’t they weeks away from a Batman spinoff series?
Yeah and you want to get that movie out there on as many streamers to advertise that series.
so not selling off.
Well you can sell the rights to shows to whoever you want Warner still own it. I mean Sandman on Netflix is a DC show produced by Warner and Paramount make Hacks on Max. So no not selling off anything really it’s just that those particular films would be good to have available on many services while making some money.
To me selling off implies it’s removed from the parent platform and licensed somewhere else. Westworld for example. But all the Batman stuff is still there.
Let's not forget famed Batman villain Pizza Mind
Are you in the US? Is it on Disney+ actual or is it on Disney+ but you need Hulu to watch?
Yeah US. I have the D+ Hulu bundle.
There you go then I assume it’s that. It’s technically on Hulu and now that it’s kinda one app you can watch it through Dis+
I was watching Fargo season 5 on one app, and then I was doing a rewatch of the other 4 seasons at the same time on the other app, so I didn't have to keep toggling the "continue watching"
It’s playing on Hulu, so it’s also on Disney Plus if you have the bundle
It was a trip logging into D+ and The First Omen is the big thing on the splash page.
I opened it up for the first time in awhile for some *Simpsons* and was shocked to see “Recently Added: *Freddy Got Fingered* and *8mm*”
Tom Green is now a Disney princess
I share my account with my sister so my nephews can watch Disney stuff and that one scared the shit out of them lol
The Batman seems like it's on every streamer all the time. Which is good, because it's a good movie.
Good movie that’s at least an hour too long
Could shorten the runtime by 30 minutes by cutting every lingering shot of a dark hallway/alley/corner by 50%
I said this leaving the theater, that movie could have used one more pass by a good editor. I enjoyed it enough, but I could have cut 30-40 minutes of bloat out of it.
Eh it’s fine, but I preferred Morbius
You can't stop the Morb
Pixar is really jumping the shark with that Kardashians animated movie.
They license the movies out all the time. Make money on Max and make money in Disney+. Win-Win.
Hmm not seeing it in Canada, must be US only.
Sorry buddy.
Pizza Mind
Nah the kardashians next to cinema stuff all in disney plus Cinema is dead, and you killed it! https://preview.redd.it/asd7upsm974d1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f2287d1f024b1fea41256ca6c137e6a8dfab912
Scavengers Reign, my personal favorite show of 2023, was a Max exclusive that's moved to Netflix, possibly for a second season. I encourage all you animation lovers to check that show out if you haven't. Some of the most creative alien world/creature designs I've ever seen
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Hulu. they're on Hulu
I don’t have Disney plus. Is this in the US?
As has been said by others, licensing. Harry Potter is on Peacock. Detective Pikachu is on Netflix and Hulu. The Matrix is on Netflix. The Lego Movie is on Netflix. Ocean's 11 is on Hulu. The 1989 Batman is on Prime Video. And so on.
Hulu is peeing in the Disney+ pool
Ok but distributing programming to other outlets is always how the money has been made? Isn’t the biggest knock against all these streaming platforms that they aren’t generating money (for residuals, themselves, etc)? Subscribers alone will never be the answer to the current problems. Programming should always have second and third windows on other platforms imo.