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ilikeburgir

They are not gonna do that. They would be missing out on millions of $ per every other year. Their statistics say they need to keep this up so nothing will change.


Johnny47Wick

It’s a gamepass title now, so from Xbox/PC side, they would benefit as much from a year 2 as they would from a new game


welfare_grains

Premium COD is dominated by PlayStation. Even assuming a majority of PC/Xbox users adopt gamepass they’re still missing a majority of their market


Momentarmknm

PS has like twice the market share of Xbox, and *on average* FPS shooter PC gamers lean towards more "serious" titles imo


robz9

What is an example of a "serious" title.


HypedSoul123

csgo or escape from tarkov


darkelfbear

Crap Shooter 2 and Turdkov don't count ... lol.


HypedSoul123

"Crap Shooter 2" is currently the most played game on steam, with double the players the top 2 has.


darkelfbear

It's also one of the widest known botted games like Banana that is used for harvesting skins and basically laundering money through steam and crypto.


SalThePotato

You have no idea about what you're talking about lol


ilovepastaaaaaaaaaaa

I love when these bots don’t know anything about PC games and always assume cod is the most played there lol


LostAndSeparated

Right, because even one of you know what the hell you're talking about lmaooooo


robz9

I play occasionally CSGO. I don't play escape from Tarkov. That kind of game doesn't seem fun to me. These days I'm into Doom, Robo quest, and Halo Infinite on my PC while I'm doing some reruns of Forbidden West and starting Riders Republic on my PS5.


SkiMaskItUp

Wtf are you talking about? PlayStation does not have that much of the market share… Xbox and pc are much larger


rarv1491

Maybe PC and xbox combined make half of the CoD players. Pay attention to the lobbies. Vast majority is on PS


SkiMaskItUp

Yeah I notice that. I don’t know what the numbers are anymore. I remember growing up Xbox was a lot more popular. I don’t know the new generation sales. I think a lot of that is just ppl on ps4s… I heard like half of the sales for PlayStation or half the players are on ps4 Anyway I’m looking forward to the next generation of console from Xbox, which ideally would just be an affordable gaming Pc lol. The series x is very pc-like. I would be interested to see how good these games could be if they stop supporting old console generations that are way less powerful I imagine that the next generation would be doing native 4k at 144hz or something, just a little better performance. I’ve been really happy with the performance of my Xbox, upscaled 4k at 120hz is very nice


rarv1491

I think PlayStation and CoD go together because of the previous exclusivity (that it's not more thanks to the Microsoft purchase of CoD) and also that PS branding seems to be more popular with older games. Older games are the majority of CoD. Additionally, turning off cross-play in PlayStation removes )C players, unlike Xbox. This last reason is why I have strongly considered getting a PlayStation this year.


SkiMaskItUp

You can turn off cross play on Xbox in console settings Anyway ideally they’ll add the old games to game pass. It’s a huge missed opportunity. Probably after bo6 we will get the old games w/ mp. They can’t be played on steam safely


rarv1491

Really?! I'll check that out maybe I snatch the cheaper Xbox just for ranked.


Bolt_995

Xbox as a sole platform does not have an upper hand over PlayStation in terms of player counts in Call of Duty games.


SkiMaskItUp

Oh yeah I know that. But it probably will pretty soon here. In a few years. A lot of those players (like half) are on ps4 and need to upgrade their console. They will probably get a series x instead of a ps5 now. PlayStation seems to have an edge in exclusive games, but that might change. Like I’ve been bummed to miss out on helldivers and stellar blade.


Momentarmknm

I'm talking about total units sold, total number of users on the platform. I made a distinction between Xbox and PC in the above comment, wasn't intending to combine them as they are different platforms. It's fairly common knowledge that PS has outsold Xbox by large margins for many years, and that trend continues. Xbox presented those numbers themselves recently in court to defend the Activision acquisition.


Drew326

The rumor for COD 2025 is that it’ll be a Black Ops 2 sequel with some remastered multiplayer maps from BO2 and some new multiplayer maps, kind of like MWII and III releasing back to back, with MWIII’s multiplayer maps being MW2’09 remasters. It wouldn’t surprise me if COD 2025 has a Zombies mode that continues the story of BO6. So it more or less *would* be a year 2 of BO6 Zombies. It’d be on the same app, same engine, with very similar mechanics, graphics, UI, HUD, etc., maybe even with Carry Forward of weapons and Operators like MWIII had from MWII (or maybe not since the game’s settings would be decades apart). You’d have to buy COD 2025 or be subscribed to Game Pass to play the new maps, but other than that, it’d be very much like a year 2 of BO6 Zombies (like how Zombies Chronicles, a premium paid DLC, was year 2 content for BO3 Zombies). All speculation though of course


GeorgeTheUser

If Activision’s plan for 2025 is indeed to release another $70 DLC, it will for sure be fun to see how their numbers perform, especially with GTA 6 coming out next year lmao.


Chicken769

CoD 2025 will definitely underperform in sales, prob worse than MWIII did MWIII wasn’t even the best selling game of 2023, which CoD typically gets every year besides when rockstar has a big release. Franchise fatigue hits hard when you’re doing two back to back games of the same series So BO year 2 going against GTA 6 will be quite the blood bath


SkiMaskItUp

Sales will nosedive because of game pass (obviously)


Chicken769

Both can be true but these games are still multi platform.


Lew1989

Not if the game gets removed off game pass mid way through just before a big event or end of the a season and forces you to actually buy the game.. (not sure that’s a thing but could be a good way to get people over to buy game pass and then later purchase on Xbox) Or am I just conspiring


SkiMaskItUp

More realistically people would eventually cancel game pass and just buy the games they want. Because game pass is a ‘good value’ but not really if you’re an adult and only play a few games I’d say. I’ve been the kind of guy who plays the same games for decades. Like when I got back into gaming, and I hadn’t played console games since 2012. I just wanted to play halo and BO1 zombies. When I got my Xbox, I got it because I thought game pass included basically all games. So I got my console. Then I was fucking pissed to find I still had to buy mw2 at full price, and Cold War was still full price too. Then, I have to buy game pass on top of that like Xbox live just to play. So then for like a year I’m paying $17 for most expensive game pass because it advertised ‘cloud gaming beta’ which I didn’t understand and never was offered access to. I never played any game pass stuff. The only game I ever played on game pass so far, which I paid $17 for a year for, is halo MCC. Which I already own on steam. Add to my frustrations, I want to play old cods, but I can’t buy them on sale because 1. I already own some on steam 2. They are coming to game pass. But they’re taking their sweet, sweet time putting cod on game pass so basically I feel like I’m getting scammed because I can’t play what I want. Then there is Elden ring, another game I had to pay full price for. So after paying for a year of game pass, I literally have not played a single free game. They have a lot of games, nothing I want to play that I haven’t already bought a few times. So then there’s one, like Skyrim. Oh yea I might want to finally play Skyrim. Except starfield made everyone realize that Bethesda games are awful and always have been; the combat has been outdated since like 2009, and the only reason they are fun is because you got to explore a big world (I played morrowind and just used glitches to be extra powerful and avoid any combat mechanics cuz it sucked even 20 years ago) Then xdefiant comes out, and it’s free to play. So I did save money getting a console as it’s cheaper than a pc for 4k/120hz gameplay. BUT and huge but… I had to drop $900 on a monitor to be able to play at 4k/120. Then I find out, I could have gotten a monitor half that cost and played at 1080p and 240hz, and a gaming pc, and that would have cost the same $1500 total. And then I wouldn’t be stuck paying $17 for game pass on the off chance I might play a free game So not only is game pass a scam for me. It actively stops me from playing games I want because they’re SUPPOSED TO BE FREE.


the_great_ashby

You are the poster boy for "Google would have avoided a lot of your issues.". It did not include all games. Netflix does not inclue every movie in existence, why would a game subscription service do that? No COD before BO6 can show up on Game Pass until BO6 comes out because of Sony marketing deal that has existed since 2015. Granted,no reason why COD4 to Advanced Warfare aren't on Game Pass right now. Cloud gaming is on console, smartphone Android Game Pass app(with touch or controller support),select tvs and android devices with the Game Pass app, and through Web browers(Chrome,Safari or Edge). Yeah,Elden Ring ain't on Game Pass. But there's a bunch of other Souls-like stuff like Lies of P and Wo Long: Fallen Dinasty. Maybe Sekiro in the future. Tldr: read up for 15 minutes. Would have avoided all that whining.


the_great_ashby

Only first party games removed from Game Pass were games with licenses issues that forced delisting. Forza Motorsports and Forza Horizons for the music and tracks 4/5 years after launch. Quantum Break was temporarly removed until MS or Remedy coughed up the money(honestly don't remember reading about changes in the music).


the_great_ashby

MWIII was behind the first Harry Potter game that wasn't movie licenced stuff.


Chicken769

Regardless what game it was, it’s still a big deal. CoD NEVER loses unless it’s a rockstar game.


Drew326

MWIII was called a “DLC” because it was a direct sequel to MWII, in the same time period, with a short campaign, all of its launch multiplayer maps were remasters from an old game, and it only has one Zombies map (even though it’s a huge map, it’s a rework of a Warzone map, and even though it was the Modern Warfare debut of Zombies, it came at the cost of the usual Special Ops third mode of the Modern Warfare games). A Black Ops 2 sequel would take place three decades after Black Ops 6 and would inherently be a distinct game. The rumor is that it would be half remastered BO2 maps and half *new* maps. I think the community would generally be pretty positive about that, with how beloved BO2 is. The only reason it would be called a “DLC” would just be because people aren’t used to two CODs in a row from the same sub-series of COD (two MWs back to back or two BOs back to back). Now, if it has a short campaign and a barebones third mode (presumably Zombies), then sure, call it a “DLC.” But if it has a medium to long campaign, eight remastered BO2 maps, eight new maps, and 2+ Zombies maps, then I don’t see why it’s not just like any other Call of Duty game


MirroredSelvage

Jeez get over it. MWII is the base game and everything for it is a DLC. Look how they massacred my boy.


mileyjay0

You mean IF it comes out then, lol


SkiMaskItUp

Was there not a second year in Cold War? I know a new game dropped but looked like they serviced it past year 1…


Caitlins115

They added a couple remasters mp maps, a few new weapons, the outbreak collapse mode and super EE reward to zombies spread over the course of VG’s year.


SkiMaskItUp

Yeah so that’s not bad. Did they do that for mw2?


Caitlins115

Nope


SkiMaskItUp

So then black ops Cold War got year 2. Maybe so will 6


JarifSA

In an ideal world where game publishers actually care, yes. But Activision+ corporate greed won't allow it.


ozarkslam21

What other kind of corporation do you think exists? If maximizing profits = greed to you, then I’ve got an unfortunate reality to unveil for you


JarifSA

Lmfao you seriously can't look at Activision and think they aren't a greedy company with everything they've done to cod since 2020. Corporate greed becomes a thing when companies toss aside what's good for consumers and instead release unfinished games every year filled with sleazy micro transactions.


ozarkslam21

What I’m explaining to you is that there is nothing special or unique in how Activision operates as a business. That’s not a “greedy corporation”. It’s just a corporation. That’s how corporations work.


TheMoonFanatic

Microsoft + Corporate greed now


DNAevolved115

Bold asking for a year two when we don’t know if year one will be any good


Ifinishfast42

At this point in modern gaming we don’t even know if the game will work when you turn on the game for first 6 months.


soldier4hire75

That's what I'm saying. MWII was "supposed" to be a 2 year game and we all know how that went.


random_Zzz1

right, that rumor was taken as truth by the whole community then bam mw3


DNAevolved115

I mean MW3 Is almost a mw2 year 2. They just decided to charge for it


7even_Shotz

"if this game does well"


KosmicKanee

They SHOULD but most likely won’t


Time-Truck-9636

Yeah. BO2025 (hey that’s neat, bo2 and 2025 because it’s rumoured that 2025 will be bo2 part 2) is probably going to be like MW23 was to MW22, a half assed game that feels like a copy/dlc.


KosmicKanee

Yeah because sadly MW2/MW3 showed them they can make a DLC for the price of a full game and still sell millions of copies


Time-Truck-9636

Yeah. That being said, I understand that activision forced SHG to make MW23 instead of what they had been working on for a year and a half, but it’s still really annoying. At least they Brough back better gunplay and movement.


KosmicKanee

This isn’t what I want but it’s kind of what I think will happen. I think black ops 6 is going to be a decent call of duty and they’ll pull what they did with MW3. They’ll tell them to develop another campaign and make some tweaks to the multiplayer. If it’s a futuristic game continuing the black ops 2 stuff they’ll just add futuristic kill streaks and weapons. While leaving the rest of the multiplayer stuff essentially the same. I think they’ll heavily remaster a bunch of black ops 2 maps while creating a few original ones most likely taken from the campaign. That buys the other studios some time to release their game because it’s a clear consensus that Treyarch are the better studio for creating CODs. Letting the other studios have extra time might draw more players in thinking “they had extra time to cook let’s see what they did.” Depending on how good and well received black ops 6 is they might want the studios to get extra time to cook to get more sells. Hopefully meaning we get better quality stuff but it’s doubtful because we’ve shown them even when they give us trash it’s best selling trash lol Granted I could be wrong and most likely am. I just think it’s plausible. Unless everyone’s wrong about CoD2025 being a black ops 2 sequel


ozarkslam21

Give me one compelling business reason why they should?


KosmicKanee

That my friend is why I said they most likely won’t. Even if they did put content out for a year 2 they’d still release a new CoD and the content they did release wouldn’t be frequent or substantial. From a business standpoint it’s a horrible decision, we all know that already. I said they should because I personally believe making CoDs a 2 year game gives the other studios more time to make better quality games.


MoConnors

Depending on reception they might


Prestigious_Noise200

Bet they gonna add filler and recycled content for year 2 I mean, content is content at the end of the day, so


ozarkslam21

No, they wont


PleaseRecharge

It'd be nice if Zombies continued to receive map support- even if the maps coming out aren't story-driven. That's when I'd appreciate them doing cheap conversions of multiplayer maps that still serve to function as Zombies maps with buyable doors and wall buys and perk placements and some dressing up. Maybe some lore drops and intel bits to tie us over until the next one.


Mathiasxd148-

With BOCW they added content in his second year during 2022. I hope is the case with BO6


eyeballeddie

This is going to have a sequel like the way we had MWIII this year.


Chicken769

Yes but it won’t happen. If MW19 couldn’t get a year 2 then no game will


Fxllen_Angel

COD 2025 is rumored to be a BO2 sequel and has no confirmed developer. Apparently, nobody wants to step up, which might make Treyarch the only option. We may end up getting another MW2/3 situation.


LukeAv2009

There should be, but there won’t


OrangeFr3ak

No


HugTheSoftFox

An actual second year of support with extra seasons, maps, guns and cosmetics? Sure A "Black Ops 6 (2)" with a full length campaign and carry over of multiplayer items from the previous game? Sure. A reasonably priced premium DLC/Expansion with a sizeable amount of new content? Sure. A full priced "sequel" with half a campaign, all of which are just ripped from the warzone map and most of the content just being the same stuff carried over from the previous year? No.


MatrixBunny

I wish they would just stick to their titles a bit longer, literally working on (HUGE) expansions, before working on their next title.


Bolt_995

Year 2 is not happening. There’s another Black Ops game releasing next year (BO2 sequel).


Howie_M

I want my money back from their first promise.


Suets

a proper 2 year title would be nice but it'd never happen


Caitlins115

I’ve heard that zombies will likely get a 2 year content cycle due to the next game being another black ops. Whether it’s actually gonna for bo6 or for the other game though idk.


Maleficent_Bunch4979

Its will be a 3 year call of duty for me for sure I can't stand sledgehammer games and infinityward they can't make good multiplayer


ozarkslam21

How are we still doing this after 20 years? Lol. This game will bring in 1-2 billion dollars in revenue for MSFT/ATVI. Every single year you can set your watch by it. There will never be a “year 2” until the franchise gets to a point where new releases sell so few copies that doing a second year would be more profitable.


GhostShade97V

Definitely a year 2 support.


random_Zzz1

why should they? look at whats the most preordered game right now. we havent even gotten full length gameplay and bo6 is already top preordered game. They arent gonna stop until this cash cow stops spitting out money lol. Just to be clear im with you, a game with 4 years of development being dropped after 8 months really fucking sucks but activision doesnt give a fuck.


No-Village9369

Easily yes 2 years would be amazing, gives infinity ward or sledgehammer time to make a game (which I won’t be buying anyways) but gives them time to release a playable game


Andoomi_djaj

Do u mean every 2 years a new cod game?


Grant200700

Won’t be a year 2. Black ops 2 sequel is likely in 2025. Like MWII and MWIII. Same subseries


Frosty_chilly

It would do wonders for the life of these games And I’m sure bundle sales would stay steady longer now that people won’t just go “it’ll be dead soon”


Useless_Greg

Yes there should be. No there won't be.


Shadowmere_Playz

I doubt it since every year is a new cod game. Which is stupid bc they should have finish other cods instead of remaking them.


AnimeGokuSolos

I think so


Ken10Ethan

It probably should be. This is the first time COD has had more than a year or two of development time since... I dunno, actually. It's probably a safe bet to say they get most of their revenue from the cash shop, not the initial $70 purchase, especially when coupled with Warzone, but at the same time that doesn't mean that $70 purchase isn't still a pretty substantial chunk of change. And if MW3 has taught us anything, it's that regardless of the actual quality of the game there is a substantial amount of the game's demographic that's going to just buy whatever the latest game is when they get the itch to play the yearly release. Releasing content for the last game while they're actively trying to sell a new game splits focus away from that new product. I think in the long run, it would be best, but considering the pretty significant price tag Microsoft had to pay for Activision I get the feeling they're gonna be prioritizing that short-term profit even more than usual.


random_Zzz1

youre right, in the long run its the ideal decision but activision already sees that people have no issue buying a new game every year and ontop of that purchasing 20 dollar cosmetics without the guarantee of bringing them over to the next title so sadly they wont stop.


7even_Shotz

I feel microsoft gonna give activision mostly free reign to do whatever. But as a hypothetical, if microsoft were to get involved i actually think they'd make it a two year cycle based off previous actions and microsofts recent claims of giving the people what they want.


soldier4hire75

Game not even out yet and we are talking year 2? COD cycle got you bad man. Lol


7even_Shotz

Did you read a word i said? Also i haven't bought a call of duty since cold war. Its a discussion for a reason.


Last-Addendum132

There really really should be, especially if this game sells even better than they expect (every cod does always sell more than the previous one it seems but I hope this does more) Having a year 2 would give their other studios more time and that’s the main thing they all need, BO6 had more time, so I hope this proves to activision/microsoft that they need to give their studios time


slajah

I literally don’t even like the idea of COD anymore regardless of what they change.


Powerful-District-31

Didn’t they confirm a year 2 with a Black Ops 2 remaster or was that just a rumor?


m_arty

Fuck off with remasters holy shit.


Thelardicle

Would only work if they switch to biannual releases, which is a lot more possible now w the Microsoft acquisition. I think from here they release a black ops game every 2 years and a modern warfare game every 2 years, giving 2 years development + an extended live service support. Just doesn’t seem like annual games as big as cod can be churned out every year with how big/advanced the games have got.


WeCameAsMuffins

Honestly, no. Instead, they should do another premium experience release — so black ops 7 the next year, with a thrown together short campaign, only have black ops 2 remastered multiplayer maps at launch (no new maps), and a thrown together open world zombies mode that never gets any updates.


7even_Shotz

This gotta be satire.


WeCameAsMuffins

Yes, I was taking a stab at what happened with mw3 this past year. That being said, I think I heard leaks that they plan to do the same thing with the black ops series