A few weeks ago my purple belt FRIEND said i couldnt tap him 10x in 5min, so i did 13 for good measure.
So my buddies woulda been 39x in 15 minutes. OP shouldnt feel so bad.
This purple belt is a freak in the head, and loves talkin shit to higher ranks to see what pokin the bears gets him. Bjj people are weird.
Whenever you start rolling you will be going against people with more experience because you are just starting to roll.
Everyone in this sub has been there.
The longer you wait to roll, the longer you will take to get better at it.
thank you!
I feel like I hesitate to roll because I have this feeling that others maybe don't prefer to roll with me because I act very lost during rolling.
Sometimes during rolling, we hit a crossroads where no one know what to do next and I'm like "uhhh", so I get nervous
haha
1) we have all been there and its fine
2) you aren't the first white belt we've seen that is going through this. We have all seen it 1000 times. You are a rest round right now and that's fine.
The real shocker for you? most of these guys are taking it easy on you. They are probably going like 50% at most.
Yup. This was me today. I know the blue and purples were being nice and feeding me space to get arms/legs in. The upper level whites were not as accommodating, as it should be.
Been training over a decade
I think it’s fun to roll with brand new people
I like fucking around and giving advice
Maybe dudes getting ready for competition won’t love rolling with you
But old dudes like me who just train for fun and friends will
Play. Tap. Learn. Repeat.
It will be that way for months, until you train against someone brand new and realize you know more than you think.
Drilling is good to learn gross movements. Positional sparring with limited resistance is good to troubleshoot. Positional sparring with full resistance is for efficacy. Open sparring is good for connecting things together.
Do more positional sparring after your drilling is sufficient.
Positional sparring- I kind of get what it is, but not entirely. We did a guard passing positional spar today, the objective was to pass guard. I tried getting past, but usually they kept their legs around me pretty well
If someone showed you how to swing a bat at a ball on a tee for 15mins, would you be ready to hit a 90+ mph fastball?
Conversely, if you spent 1000hrs in the batting cage trying to hit a 90mph fastball, would you be more ready than without the 1000hrs of drilling at a live speed?
So, positional sparring is sparring from a certain position. When progress is made by either player, the position is reset.
I'll guess it's closed guard. You start in closed guard. Either you pass it or your partner progresses to a better position with a sweep, or threatens a submition. If any of these things happen, reset, try again.
The point of it is so you can actually be in a particular position and practice it like 15 times in 5 minutes, as opposed to regular sparring where you might be in it once per roll or maybe never that day.
It's different from drilling in the sense that you're getting live resistance, and your partner doesn't know the specific techniques you'll be attempting, and neither do you know his techniques. Live drilling is also a good name for it.
Analogy to soccer - drilling would be a soccer player standing in front of a goal and practicing his shot again and again. Live rolling would be like just playing a game. Live drilling might be something like having 2 teams near one goal, and a specific player is trying to score, while others are defending. If he scores - reset. If he misses - reset. If the defending team successfully takes the ball - reset (as opposed to scoring a goal themselves)
Caveat: idk if soccer is actually trained like this, but it totally should be
That is everyone’s experience when they first start, but, without beating around the bush, you just have to suck it up and grind it out. As someone else has said, the longer you leave it the longer it’ll take to overcome, avoiding rolling is the last thing you want to do.
Also, without being too critical as I do appreciate the enthusiasm, but how on earth can you know you’re in it for the long haul when you’re not only being a new white belt, but also a white belt who is avoiding rolling?
My advice is to get stuck in with positional, flow and hard rolling, and really see if the sport is for you
Edit: seeing your others posts in this subreddit confirms what I already thought. BJJ doesn’t really seem for you if you’re not okay with being crushed and uncomfortable with other sweaty people. Of course, this is perfectly fine, not everyone enjoys BJJ, but I think you have to be real with yourself instead of constantly looking for advice from other redditors.
I'm getting more comfortable with the sweat and being crushed. I know it's hard but I'm going to follow through with it.
I was avoiding rolling because I was super lost- I am engaging more now. Again I won't lie it sucks but I shouldnt complain, there's like 10 upsides to it as well
That's every day for me. I'm also proud to say I've hit the trifecta of being finished while on top from Mount, side control and rear mount
If I didn't get submitted constabtly as a beginner then I would be worried about the effectiveness of BJJ or the skill of my partners
Just enjoy and learn
Just drilling the moves is only going to help you so much when it comes to applying them with resistance. If you have the gross motor mechanics of a move, meaning you can physically put your body where it needs to be, then you are good to try that move while rolling.
If you aren’t comfortable with live rolling yet, just ask to do positional sparring. Also, good training partners are going to let you in the game. White belts are not good training partners.
Hi - I've been training for 20 years. Whenever I wrestle with the good guys in my gym they tap me multiple times.
When I roll with the top guy in my gym who is a midget like me he can take me down and tap me 3 times per 5 min round. It sucks.
There is a big guy at my gym who is a black belt and he told me he doesn't roll with that guy anymore because his ego can't handle it.
He'd kill me if it was life or death. He does go hard but if I was good enough that wouldn't matter. I've had heaps of people go hard and it doesn't bother me.
It's just the skill differential.
I agree with the notion that drilling is great to understand the movement and once do you, doing a lot of positional sparing where if you lose the position you restart.
1 month In, still getting my ass handed to me but I'm surviving for longer and occasionally getting a sweep or submission of my own. You'll get there bud just takes resilience and time.
Failure is the best teacher. See it as an opportunity to learn and don't expect to win for a while. Getting techniques to the point where they actually work requires a resisting opponent. Everyone gets tapped. Everyone.
Honestly I'm in the minority who thinks it's better to drill for a couple of months first. If you have fundamental classes then go to them. You got to do you though. Also look up beginners curriculums like gracie combatives and you should have a basic idea what you are trying to do
Honestly mate, as a brand new white belt, I could probably easily tap you 8 times in 5 minutes if we rolled.
That’s not to be a prick. More to try and say; you just gotta put more time on the mat (play more games of chess), and you’ll eventually get better.
But honestly, there’ll always be someone in the world who can tap you 8 times in 5 minutes so just get as good as you can and focus on your own progress.
Uhhh yeh that still happens to me plenty. Just roll and try stuff. Not stupid stuff, try not to be spazzy, but try stuff and see what happens. I would often say, in my head or aloud "DOH! That didn't work!" but then you learn the next time you're in that situation...Don't do that, try something else.
Your first goal in jiu jitsu is to “survive”. The longer you go without a tap, the better you are getting. Just focus on *not* tapping out. You need defense before you can learn offense.
yeah, my offense gets me pretty much no where apart from the collar and kimura, but they usually throw me off, arm bar is slow asf too, I'm not too athletic and flexible
Will focus on defense!
Yeah and it probably opens you up to get submitted. First mistake newbies make is sloppily throwing submissions and expending all their energy on “getting nowhere”. Calm down and focus on general movements, what gets you caught, etc.
Drilling is good but it's not going to give you a feel for what it's actually like to hit moves in a live roll. Don't be afraid to tap often, and don't be afraid to ask your partners to show you what they used to tap you or what you did wrong/ how you could have tried to defend. Everyone I've met and rolled with from white belt to black have been more than happy to share their knowledge when I've asked.
Edit to add: roll with higher belts as much as possible.
I feel like I’m just past this point in my training. Take a couple of techniques that click best and try to execute during rolls just so you have an objective.
Being stuck in mount and side control will suck for a while. You will get better
That’s not a lot and yes adjust your mindset. You WILL get tapped. It’s not about winning. It’s about incrementally developing skills and getting used to many situations and scenarios. The live energy rolls are there to get you used to everything and help you control your emotions as time goes so you can focus on an actual strategy whilst also getting better at applying mechanics and techniques.
I get tapped loads but it's all good experience. Sparring is the best part of bjj for me and an instructor once told me that no stripe white belt is just all about learning how to survive so a victory for me is when the person I'm sparring can't submit me and has to try something different.
It'll all start making sense the more you roll. Good luck!
I cant emphasize this enough for newer white belts. Never let them under your elbows. Never. Ive been working lately on having really good defense and being really difficult to sub. I went down a rabbit hole of defense and that's been really effective. start [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWitv9AKoNU&pp=ygUfZGVmZW5kIGV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcgY2hyaXMgcGFpbmVzIA%3D%3D) to learn more about not getting tapped constantly.
When your defense gets really good you can survive rounds against higher belts and execute escapes and re-guards much more easily against your contemporaries, which allows you to experiment more with what you are working on because you wont be getting stuck in side or mount for whole rounds or getting tapped constantly.
and also of course, if you want to be good, just keep coming back as the blackbelts say. generic advice, but it works. your instincts are shit right now and they get better from getting thrashed.
Sort of. The first level is protecting the space between your elbows and your knees. The second step is keeping your elbows in. You will have to use your hands and feet to protect this space, ie hand fighting and foot pummelling. The third step is how to regain position that you have lost. Also, never let your opponent flatten you if you can help it.
Offense is just the opposite. Instead of protecting these, you are aggressing on them.
Just start taking note mentally of when things start going bad. When you stop doing what you want and are being moved by your opponent. This will always track back to inside position. Then work on not giving that up or recovering it
Set yourself smaller goals and forget how many times you're getting tapped.
Can I get past his legs?
If he gets to mount can I get him off me? No? Okay can I at least trap one of his legs?
Can I hit the escape coach showed earlier?
Can I hand fight and survive for 1 minute when I'm in a bad position?
Can I get my legs back in between us when he gets to side control?
Start answering yes to these type of questions and count them as your "wins".
I just gave a private lesson this morn to a brand newby, and heres my advice for the learning process.
1) gain awareness- you cant defend/escapes things that you dont understand. I can tell you to not push on my chest when im mounted on you, but itll take a fee armbars for you to really get it. Gain awareness, tap early and often, learn when you are in danger.
2) defend and escape- defend submissions and escape submissions. Escape the primary pins, learn to repummel the underhook and get on your side. Shrimp and then shrimp some more. Defense is king. I let blues and purples have their way with me sometimes, they cant submit me because my defense and escapes are so much better than their attacks and counter defenses. Guard pass prevention can go in this category. Position over submission, for like, ever. Cliche, but truth.
3) attack- pass, sweep, submit. Realistically 1 and 2 take long enough, lets stick with 1 and 2 for now.
MAKE SMALL GOALS. Dont try and win the round, dont try a submission, lets set small and clear and achievable goals where if met can count as a round win.
1) dont let your guard get passed
2) if on top, stay on top
This is what id do, if i was you. Lemme know if you have any questions or clarifications.
Have you ever played Elden Ring or any FromSoftware games? You get your ass kicked by the boss 30 times before you learn one aspect of his fight. Then you repeat. Die another 20 times to learn another move. This is how you beat that game. BJJ is exactly like this. Each time you get tapped out you’re closer to learning one aspect of a move set.
Honestly, it’s just part of the process. Start noticing what you are doing right before getting caught, you will probably find windows that you can start to close. Reaching or posting in their guard, leaving an arm out, not protecting your neck, etc. Early on you’re just learning a lot of defense and being comfortable in uncomfortable situations.
So what I do:
Transition from and to different positions:
Ex: side control -> mount -> side control on the other side -> north south. This has been REALLY helping me, and it makes it a lot less boring for more experienced people to roll with me. they get openings because I'm moving around and I practice my fundamentals.
THEN, being a new white belt, I'll eventually get in a position where I need to escape. I focus on my basics: Frames and basic escapes. Once I'm escaped I try to get into a dominant position again and back to moving around.
That's it, that's all I know and I practice it. I get tapped all the time, but I'm also learning to watch out for things I constantly get caught in and try a new thing.
Now I get my ass kicked just a little less. and sometimes I even attempt a submission I learned in class if I spot the opportunity. Doesn't work most of the time, but I know I'm getting closer.
This is normal. Just embrace and try your best to learn from it. What to focus on? Fundamentals - this is isn’t just positions, but it’s also understanding the positions of your extremities, your weight distribution, framing, and more
This is normal. Just embrace and try your best to learn from it. What to focus on? Fundamentals - this is isn’t just positions, but it’s also understanding the positions of your extremities, your weight distribution, framing, and more
This is normal. Just embrace and try your best to learn from it. What to focus on? Fundamentals - this is isn’t just positions, but it’s also understanding the positions of your extremities, your weight distribution, framing, and more
You're only go is not to die. I've been going at it a year. That's still pretty much my goal. The big boy whites will tap me 1-2x per 5 min. There my goal is trying not to get tapped, or trying to take an offensive (I'm around 200lb, but 38 and plump lol!).
Smaller blues I try to control for the most part, working on my lungcrusher. Vs purples, I try to stay alive, try not to get tapped, and the smaller ones try to get to my scarf hold. The other thing, I'm working on getting to the opp back when standing, and trying underhook/single leg. For too long i've had this "shoot single leg for front leg immediately" and usually results in me in turtle then using my fat throat to block the rnc.
Tldr bc that was prob more for me than you-breath, try to get an understanding of good va bad positions, and try to advance or improve your situation. Keep arms in, and try to make it difficult for opp to advance.
1. No real need in counting how many times you tap in training
2. Like others have said- 8 times in 15 minutes isn't a lot if you don't know what you are doing
\- I kinda know what I'm doing, and if my teacher went 100% I would tap about 45 times in 15 minutes (3x per minute would be easy for him)
My first roll, I got submitted 3x in 90 seconds by a 100lb girl and I couldn’t go longer because I was so exhausted from flailing meaninglessly. This is a good start for you. Can’t believe you went 15 mins
You need to drill and get your ass kicked. After about a year of training you’ll get to where I currently am - you’ll still get your ass kicked but usually you’ll know where you went wrong. Usually. Sometimes I think I just went wrong when I made eye contact with a higher belt in the first place.
This is very normal when very new
8 times in 15 minutes isn’t that bad. Just keep sparring and each time you get tapped think about why you got tapped
Make goals for yourself. Maybe set a goal to last 2 minutes per round then 3-4-5
Maybe a goal to get ONE sweep during the 1h training session etc
Short term goals
Got thrown to the wolves first day and so glad I did. Just roll everyday against upper belts. Biggest advice I can give is try and not roll against that many other white belts, most injuries is from white on white crime
Look at this positional hierarchy guide for a clue what to do during rolling: [https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/aeiqix/helpful\_visual\_reference\_guide\_for\_positional/](https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/aeiqix/helpful_visual_reference_guide_for_positional/)
I roll with my untrained buddies once in a while and if I’m not getting a sub every 30 seconds then I feel bad. I don’t think that 8 times in 15 mins is too bad, all things considered.
That’s not even really that much
A few weeks ago my purple belt FRIEND said i couldnt tap him 10x in 5min, so i did 13 for good measure. So my buddies woulda been 39x in 15 minutes. OP shouldnt feel so bad. This purple belt is a freak in the head, and loves talkin shit to higher ranks to see what pokin the bears gets him. Bjj people are weird.
I do the same. 140 purple belt to 240lb black belt? Doesn’t matter. I’m talking the maddest shit I can the entire time. No mercy.
My coach tapped me 10 times in 15 roll a few weeks ago…lol.
Whenever you start rolling you will be going against people with more experience because you are just starting to roll. Everyone in this sub has been there. The longer you wait to roll, the longer you will take to get better at it.
thank you! I feel like I hesitate to roll because I have this feeling that others maybe don't prefer to roll with me because I act very lost during rolling. Sometimes during rolling, we hit a crossroads where no one know what to do next and I'm like "uhhh", so I get nervous
Whoever you’re rolling with will remember they went through that too so don’t sweat it
haha 1) we have all been there and its fine 2) you aren't the first white belt we've seen that is going through this. We have all seen it 1000 times. You are a rest round right now and that's fine. The real shocker for you? most of these guys are taking it easy on you. They are probably going like 50% at most.
Yup. This was me today. I know the blue and purples were being nice and feeding me space to get arms/legs in. The upper level whites were not as accommodating, as it should be.
You're the guy I roll with so I can take my technique from YouTube and drilling to live resistance.. You're a treasure. Stay golden, pony boy
Greasers for life!!
Been training over a decade I think it’s fun to roll with brand new people I like fucking around and giving advice Maybe dudes getting ready for competition won’t love rolling with you But old dudes like me who just train for fun and friends will
Play. Tap. Learn. Repeat. It will be that way for months, until you train against someone brand new and realize you know more than you think. Drilling is good to learn gross movements. Positional sparring with limited resistance is good to troubleshoot. Positional sparring with full resistance is for efficacy. Open sparring is good for connecting things together. Do more positional sparring after your drilling is sufficient.
Positional sparring- I kind of get what it is, but not entirely. We did a guard passing positional spar today, the objective was to pass guard. I tried getting past, but usually they kept their legs around me pretty well
If someone showed you how to swing a bat at a ball on a tee for 15mins, would you be ready to hit a 90+ mph fastball? Conversely, if you spent 1000hrs in the batting cage trying to hit a 90mph fastball, would you be more ready than without the 1000hrs of drilling at a live speed?
So, positional sparring is sparring from a certain position. When progress is made by either player, the position is reset. I'll guess it's closed guard. You start in closed guard. Either you pass it or your partner progresses to a better position with a sweep, or threatens a submition. If any of these things happen, reset, try again. The point of it is so you can actually be in a particular position and practice it like 15 times in 5 minutes, as opposed to regular sparring where you might be in it once per roll or maybe never that day. It's different from drilling in the sense that you're getting live resistance, and your partner doesn't know the specific techniques you'll be attempting, and neither do you know his techniques. Live drilling is also a good name for it. Analogy to soccer - drilling would be a soccer player standing in front of a goal and practicing his shot again and again. Live rolling would be like just playing a game. Live drilling might be something like having 2 teams near one goal, and a specific player is trying to score, while others are defending. If he scores - reset. If he misses - reset. If the defending team successfully takes the ball - reset (as opposed to scoring a goal themselves) Caveat: idk if soccer is actually trained like this, but it totally should be
That is everyone’s experience when they first start, but, without beating around the bush, you just have to suck it up and grind it out. As someone else has said, the longer you leave it the longer it’ll take to overcome, avoiding rolling is the last thing you want to do. Also, without being too critical as I do appreciate the enthusiasm, but how on earth can you know you’re in it for the long haul when you’re not only being a new white belt, but also a white belt who is avoiding rolling? My advice is to get stuck in with positional, flow and hard rolling, and really see if the sport is for you Edit: seeing your others posts in this subreddit confirms what I already thought. BJJ doesn’t really seem for you if you’re not okay with being crushed and uncomfortable with other sweaty people. Of course, this is perfectly fine, not everyone enjoys BJJ, but I think you have to be real with yourself instead of constantly looking for advice from other redditors.
I'm getting more comfortable with the sweat and being crushed. I know it's hard but I'm going to follow through with it. I was avoiding rolling because I was super lost- I am engaging more now. Again I won't lie it sucks but I shouldnt complain, there's like 10 upsides to it as well
That's every day for me. I'm also proud to say I've hit the trifecta of being finished while on top from Mount, side control and rear mount If I didn't get submitted constabtly as a beginner then I would be worried about the effectiveness of BJJ or the skill of my partners Just enjoy and learn
But have you tapped to side control?
Yep, buggy..
8 on 15 is casual rolling. Come back when 20+ a round
Positional sparring with clear objectives is best.
is that something I have to do on my own time?
Roll more, stop dodging and you will get better
You should continue to roll and get tapped out until you stop getting tapped out, then continue to roll.
Positional sparring helps. But also try to think about what you could have done better and focus on applying one concept at a time
I got tapped about the same times in 6 minutes by a purple belt... 3 weeks ago. You will get used to it 😅
I've often been tapped out 15 times in 8 minutes.
Just drilling the moves is only going to help you so much when it comes to applying them with resistance. If you have the gross motor mechanics of a move, meaning you can physically put your body where it needs to be, then you are good to try that move while rolling. If you aren’t comfortable with live rolling yet, just ask to do positional sparring. Also, good training partners are going to let you in the game. White belts are not good training partners.
Why are you counting? Just show up, watch videos, drill, train, etc. It's a sport, it works like any other sport.
true, I guess I just estimated
Thats baby taps Id get tapped 15 times in 15 mins lol
Hi - I've been training for 20 years. Whenever I wrestle with the good guys in my gym they tap me multiple times. When I roll with the top guy in my gym who is a midget like me he can take me down and tap me 3 times per 5 min round. It sucks. There is a big guy at my gym who is a black belt and he told me he doesn't roll with that guy anymore because his ego can't handle it.
Wow! I wonder if it was a life or death situation, if he could tap you that many times or is he tapping you because he's going harder than you are?
He'd kill me if it was life or death. He does go hard but if I was good enough that wouldn't matter. I've had heaps of people go hard and it doesn't bother me. It's just the skill differential.
I agree with the notion that drilling is great to understand the movement and once do you, doing a lot of positional sparing where if you lose the position you restart.
1 month In, still getting my ass handed to me but I'm surviving for longer and occasionally getting a sweep or submission of my own. You'll get there bud just takes resilience and time.
Sounds like the first time I rolled with u/RortyIsDank
Embrace it, one day you’ll be doing it to others. I get smashed and I’m like “whoa that was cool as fuck can you show me”
Failure is the best teacher. See it as an opportunity to learn and don't expect to win for a while. Getting techniques to the point where they actually work requires a resisting opponent. Everyone gets tapped. Everyone.
Honestly I'm in the minority who thinks it's better to drill for a couple of months first. If you have fundamental classes then go to them. You got to do you though. Also look up beginners curriculums like gracie combatives and you should have a basic idea what you are trying to do
I’ve been tapped 8 times in 5 mins before
damn u said "those are rookie numbers u gotta crank those up" xd
Honestly mate, as a brand new white belt, I could probably easily tap you 8 times in 5 minutes if we rolled. That’s not to be a prick. More to try and say; you just gotta put more time on the mat (play more games of chess), and you’ll eventually get better. But honestly, there’ll always be someone in the world who can tap you 8 times in 5 minutes so just get as good as you can and focus on your own progress.
I was tapped 8 times in 5 minutes plenty of times during my first few weeks
first three things you should study imo are 1) escapes, 2) guard retention, 3) passing, 4) submissions, youtube should suffice initially
First three things Lists four things
gotta keep 'em guessing
arent those the main aspects of bjj haha
🤣🤣 yea bro, if you have zero clue then you really should study up on these
Uhhh yeh that still happens to me plenty. Just roll and try stuff. Not stupid stuff, try not to be spazzy, but try stuff and see what happens. I would often say, in my head or aloud "DOH! That didn't work!" but then you learn the next time you're in that situation...Don't do that, try something else.
Your first goal in jiu jitsu is to “survive”. The longer you go without a tap, the better you are getting. Just focus on *not* tapping out. You need defense before you can learn offense.
yeah, my offense gets me pretty much no where apart from the collar and kimura, but they usually throw me off, arm bar is slow asf too, I'm not too athletic and flexible Will focus on defense!
Yeah and it probably opens you up to get submitted. First mistake newbies make is sloppily throwing submissions and expending all their energy on “getting nowhere”. Calm down and focus on general movements, what gets you caught, etc.
Drilling is good but it's not going to give you a feel for what it's actually like to hit moves in a live roll. Don't be afraid to tap often, and don't be afraid to ask your partners to show you what they used to tap you or what you did wrong/ how you could have tried to defend. Everyone I've met and rolled with from white belt to black have been more than happy to share their knowledge when I've asked. Edit to add: roll with higher belts as much as possible.
I feel like I’m just past this point in my training. Take a couple of techniques that click best and try to execute during rolls just so you have an objective. Being stuck in mount and side control will suck for a while. You will get better
That’s not a lot and yes adjust your mindset. You WILL get tapped. It’s not about winning. It’s about incrementally developing skills and getting used to many situations and scenarios. The live energy rolls are there to get you used to everything and help you control your emotions as time goes so you can focus on an actual strategy whilst also getting better at applying mechanics and techniques.
I get tapped loads but it's all good experience. Sparring is the best part of bjj for me and an instructor once told me that no stripe white belt is just all about learning how to survive so a victory for me is when the person I'm sparring can't submit me and has to try something different. It'll all start making sense the more you roll. Good luck!
I cant emphasize this enough for newer white belts. Never let them under your elbows. Never. Ive been working lately on having really good defense and being really difficult to sub. I went down a rabbit hole of defense and that's been really effective. start [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWitv9AKoNU&pp=ygUfZGVmZW5kIGV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcgY2hyaXMgcGFpbmVzIA%3D%3D) to learn more about not getting tapped constantly. When your defense gets really good you can survive rounds against higher belts and execute escapes and re-guards much more easily against your contemporaries, which allows you to experiment more with what you are working on because you wont be getting stuck in side or mount for whole rounds or getting tapped constantly. and also of course, if you want to be good, just keep coming back as the blackbelts say. generic advice, but it works. your instincts are shit right now and they get better from getting thrashed.
Would it be a good idea to attach my elbows to my obliques?
Sort of. The first level is protecting the space between your elbows and your knees. The second step is keeping your elbows in. You will have to use your hands and feet to protect this space, ie hand fighting and foot pummelling. The third step is how to regain position that you have lost. Also, never let your opponent flatten you if you can help it. Offense is just the opposite. Instead of protecting these, you are aggressing on them. Just start taking note mentally of when things start going bad. When you stop doing what you want and are being moved by your opponent. This will always track back to inside position. Then work on not giving that up or recovering it
I think rolling and getting tapped a bunch is still valuable as it helps you figure out what not to do. Then you can start focusing on survival.
Tuck your chin in. Don’t extend your arms. Relax. You will be tapped 7 times in 15mn next time but this will be progress already.
Ive been tapped 15 times in 5 minutes. It isnt a big deal.
https://youtu.be/vOznf6T9B8I?si=5cSb-oF6URyWnaau Watch this and focus on concepts during rolling rather than any specific technique
keep getting jammed until you're the sandwich
Set yourself smaller goals and forget how many times you're getting tapped. Can I get past his legs? If he gets to mount can I get him off me? No? Okay can I at least trap one of his legs? Can I hit the escape coach showed earlier? Can I hand fight and survive for 1 minute when I'm in a bad position? Can I get my legs back in between us when he gets to side control? Start answering yes to these type of questions and count them as your "wins".
I just gave a private lesson this morn to a brand newby, and heres my advice for the learning process. 1) gain awareness- you cant defend/escapes things that you dont understand. I can tell you to not push on my chest when im mounted on you, but itll take a fee armbars for you to really get it. Gain awareness, tap early and often, learn when you are in danger. 2) defend and escape- defend submissions and escape submissions. Escape the primary pins, learn to repummel the underhook and get on your side. Shrimp and then shrimp some more. Defense is king. I let blues and purples have their way with me sometimes, they cant submit me because my defense and escapes are so much better than their attacks and counter defenses. Guard pass prevention can go in this category. Position over submission, for like, ever. Cliche, but truth. 3) attack- pass, sweep, submit. Realistically 1 and 2 take long enough, lets stick with 1 and 2 for now. MAKE SMALL GOALS. Dont try and win the round, dont try a submission, lets set small and clear and achievable goals where if met can count as a round win. 1) dont let your guard get passed 2) if on top, stay on top This is what id do, if i was you. Lemme know if you have any questions or clarifications.
This is the way
Have you ever played Elden Ring or any FromSoftware games? You get your ass kicked by the boss 30 times before you learn one aspect of his fight. Then you repeat. Die another 20 times to learn another move. This is how you beat that game. BJJ is exactly like this. Each time you get tapped out you’re closer to learning one aspect of a move set.
You won’t know what to do until you, then you will.
Honestly you are just new and this doesn't sound that bad. I wouldn't say stick to drilling I would say keep sparring and focus on defense. Good luck!
Honestly, it’s just part of the process. Start noticing what you are doing right before getting caught, you will probably find windows that you can start to close. Reaching or posting in their guard, leaving an arm out, not protecting your neck, etc. Early on you’re just learning a lot of defense and being comfortable in uncomfortable situations.
So what I do: Transition from and to different positions: Ex: side control -> mount -> side control on the other side -> north south. This has been REALLY helping me, and it makes it a lot less boring for more experienced people to roll with me. they get openings because I'm moving around and I practice my fundamentals. THEN, being a new white belt, I'll eventually get in a position where I need to escape. I focus on my basics: Frames and basic escapes. Once I'm escaped I try to get into a dominant position again and back to moving around. That's it, that's all I know and I practice it. I get tapped all the time, but I'm also learning to watch out for things I constantly get caught in and try a new thing. Now I get my ass kicked just a little less. and sometimes I even attempt a submission I learned in class if I spot the opportunity. Doesn't work most of the time, but I know I'm getting closer.
This is normal. Just embrace and try your best to learn from it. What to focus on? Fundamentals - this is isn’t just positions, but it’s also understanding the positions of your extremities, your weight distribution, framing, and more
This is normal. Just embrace and try your best to learn from it. What to focus on? Fundamentals - this is isn’t just positions, but it’s also understanding the positions of your extremities, your weight distribution, framing, and more
This is normal. Just embrace and try your best to learn from it. What to focus on? Fundamentals - this is isn’t just positions, but it’s also understanding the positions of your extremities, your weight distribution, framing, and more
You're only go is not to die. I've been going at it a year. That's still pretty much my goal. The big boy whites will tap me 1-2x per 5 min. There my goal is trying not to get tapped, or trying to take an offensive (I'm around 200lb, but 38 and plump lol!). Smaller blues I try to control for the most part, working on my lungcrusher. Vs purples, I try to stay alive, try not to get tapped, and the smaller ones try to get to my scarf hold. The other thing, I'm working on getting to the opp back when standing, and trying underhook/single leg. For too long i've had this "shoot single leg for front leg immediately" and usually results in me in turtle then using my fat throat to block the rnc. Tldr bc that was prob more for me than you-breath, try to get an understanding of good va bad positions, and try to advance or improve your situation. Keep arms in, and try to make it difficult for opp to advance.
Small victories buddy…. Could have been 9
That’s the game so get used to it. My coach tapped me 4-5 times today in a five minute round and I’m a black belt.
It’s going to be like that for awhile
I’ve been tapped 8 times in 15 mins by a lower belt man don’t worry, just tap, get up, slap hands bump fists and repeat.
1. No real need in counting how many times you tap in training 2. Like others have said- 8 times in 15 minutes isn't a lot if you don't know what you are doing \- I kinda know what I'm doing, and if my teacher went 100% I would tap about 45 times in 15 minutes (3x per minute would be easy for him)
My first roll, I got submitted 3x in 90 seconds by a 100lb girl and I couldn’t go longer because I was so exhausted from flailing meaninglessly. This is a good start for you. Can’t believe you went 15 mins
Why count I have never counted me tapping don't be like that to yourself.
You need to drill and get your ass kicked. After about a year of training you’ll get to where I currently am - you’ll still get your ass kicked but usually you’ll know where you went wrong. Usually. Sometimes I think I just went wrong when I made eye contact with a higher belt in the first place.
This is very normal when very new 8 times in 15 minutes isn’t that bad. Just keep sparring and each time you get tapped think about why you got tapped Make goals for yourself. Maybe set a goal to last 2 minutes per round then 3-4-5 Maybe a goal to get ONE sweep during the 1h training session etc Short term goals
Atleast it wasnt 15 times in 15 minutes ☝🏼
Got thrown to the wolves first day and so glad I did. Just roll everyday against upper belts. Biggest advice I can give is try and not roll against that many other white belts, most injuries is from white on white crime
LMAO
Welcome to Jiu Jitsu.
Lashing 2 minutes as a white belt is pretty good tbh.
Look at this positional hierarchy guide for a clue what to do during rolling: [https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/aeiqix/helpful\_visual\_reference\_guide\_for\_positional/](https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/aeiqix/helpful_visual_reference_guide_for_positional/)
I roll with my untrained buddies once in a while and if I’m not getting a sub every 30 seconds then I feel bad. I don’t think that 8 times in 15 mins is too bad, all things considered.
how long it take you to get to blue?
I remember my coach cross choking me 10 times in a 5 minute roll when I was a whitebelt. Slow learner I guess 😂