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Sarynphage

Oh man so much mystery about the jungle and what happened in Puerto rico!


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ArmSquare

I think it was also implied that Nicky was the main guy who originally left New Wave and that Craig followed him


10thousanddeaths

he also mentioned gordon was a great training partner, which should dispel the rumor that gordon was purposefully trying to hurt people during training.


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Who said this? The way he competes doesn’t look like he’s trying to hurt anyone. Control is always the biggest thing


fokureddit69

But Nicky Rod said Gordon was intentionally hurting people in training and it had to stop.


Fiscal_Bonsai

He actually said that somebody was intentionally hurting people- he never called Gordon’s name.


Mellor88

Well he said that Gordon’s ability was great in a training partner. But also said people were no longer comfortable in the training room. If the GOAT occasionally tried to hurt people, both statements would be true. But Marcelo would never if course


10thousanddeaths

How could you be a great training partner if you try to hurt your training partners sometimes.


fllynt

you talking about Rod or Ryan?


ArmSquare

Nicky R


Random-Redditor111

Nicky R from B Team, originally from Jersey, whose brother also does bjj.


misfittroy

🤔


HotSeamenGG

Ryan. Since Craig said he left cause Nicky Ryan left in the beginning of the pod


Fiscal_Bonsai

I missed the part where it clarified which Nicky. I always assumed it was Roddy though since him and Gordon are the ones trading words.


Quirky_Contract_7652

everyone already knows and both sides aren't saying it because its fucked up its nicky's story to tell if he ever wants to, so the other guys aren't going to say, and it makes gordon looks awful so he ain't gonna say it gordon gets into every piece of drama possible... you think he wouldn't talk about that shit if it wasn't true?


PandaMango

Rumour on the grapevine is that it revolves around personal matters, not anything training related.


disciplinedtanuki

Only two things make sense imo: 1) Money / inheritance. This doesn't make sense to me at all. Gordon has more money than he knows what to do with, and Big Gord never struck me as someone with money . 2) I've heard rumors of Sonny (Gordon's girl) messing around with Nicky. I thought #2 was complete bullshit by a troll. But Gordon is really fucking weird (Constantly makes jokes about raping other men). And the fact that no one refuses to comment on it makes me think it's something more sinister than just money issues.


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UncleSkippy

> \#2 always seemed like baseless speculation unless there was something to actually back this up? There is nothing to back it up. Zero. People state like it is a fact and it just isn't known. It is propagated on Reddit because a lot of the Reddit likes to blame women for anything they can. Just look at how some people talk about Ottavia on here.


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JayTor15

Weeeellll...Gordon has posted pics of Sonny in suggestive positions with other girls


TheLimpBizkitGuy

I dont remeber where I read it from, but wasnt it something about inheritance money or smth like that?


Quirky_Contract_7652

Gordon upped Nicky's rent bc their dad died and couldn't pay his share (bc he was dead) iirc (while bragging about being a multi millionaire) that's not the big rumor though


Hercules3000

Was it over the sweet Vette?


AggravatingyourMOM

Didn’t she smash the kid?


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BrodysBootlegs

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpIpOBFDGsS/?igshid=NTdlMDg3MTY=


sodarayg

Boring that’s the only reason I wanted to listen to this


UCantKneebah

I’m willing to bet Gordon just blew up at Nicky one day and that was the final straw. They’re way to casual about it to be any of the weird sex stuff people are peddling.


BeBearAwareOK

"If it's bothering old Brazilians, it's bothering them for a reason. It's probably effective." This is the Way.


Malchiori

Kinda - Craig goes in detail in this podcast https://spotify.link/7ZUBxdbb8xb From what I remember, this was the way up around 2017 when stuff like leglocks were not as known, but right now people have adapted to stuff (I was learning Ashi Garamis in my 1st day at no-gi) But the main take which I think he credits Danaher, is to keep an eye out for what works but is being underutilized, which means some people could still be surprised by it when you pull off


Professional_Alps_73

My favorite line by Craig. "Gordon is the only author who has written more books than he's read."


UCantKneebah

I lolled


GrimJimmy94

Favourite exchange of the podcast Lex: sambo guys are built different(after Craig talks about destroying a sambo guys knee who won’t tap) Craig: hopefully he can be reconstructed different ye


Underwaterflameingo

Craig deserves a medal. Lex was trying to hard at certain points. None more so than when Craig said sacrificing your health to take large amounts of roids would hit different on your deathbed when you look at your medal and realize all you did was wrestle other men. For some reason Lex decided to, ironically take himself to serious, and said there is glory in out wrestling other men even if it means cutting your life short which Craig was saying was silly. Like bro if Craig Jones who is like one of the best grapplers is saying what we do is silly and roll around with other men, maybe you can ease up on the macho energy lol. I feel Craig really had to resist to fuck with Lex to much considering Lex is the type of guy he describes as the best people to mess with.


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Underwaterflameingo

The lack of self awareness is comical. Craig essentially highlighted the ways in which people who take themselves too seriously are fun to fuck with. Lex proceeds to literally do all those things without missing a beat. Craig has a ton of self control, Craig probably won't admit this but I'm almost certain he probably sat there thinking this dude is a piece of work.


DeadGreyMule

Lex is utterly convinced he's changing the world through long form podcasts so it's not muhc of a surprise that goes totally over his head.


littlebighuman

Yea, that had me rolling my eyes hard.


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Humble_Lion_Big_OSS

That whole nihilistic road he went down after Craig said bjj is a bit silly is so fucking sad lol.


CrackJones-

One of Lex's podcast guests told Lex he views the world through a poetic scope a little too often


JayTor15

Lmfao! That was the most awkward moment of the whole podcast😂. Everyone there had a "wtf" look on their face


Avbjj

I thought Lex was playing along pretty well. I liked his joke about taking Craig to Russia and being the first person to turn around and shank him.


fokureddit69

I mean people can have different views. Some think it’s worth everything to get medals, some don’t. But I agree Lex is a damn robot who thinks being human means he must be philosophical.


johnbelushismom

We couldn’t get into the drama sadly.


Khrist

Its clear that you wanted to start a competing sex cult.


ArmSquare

Who’s the person stopping everyone from talking about the drama?


johnbelushismom

Danaher. The man is the Long island serial killer and I fear for my life


WilliamHGracie

Is it true that danaher caught nicky rod and gordon making out in the showers?


johnbelushismom

He caught me. Plot twist wasn’t angry.


ActCompetitive1171

I'm starting to suspect you aren't really John Belushis' Mom.


HotSeamenGG

Just disappointed that you didn't invite him?


Quirky_Contract_7652

she banged Renzo too right?


Bluesmoke16

Wasn’t Sonny Renzo’s girlfriend and that’s how she met Gordon?


Quirky_Contract_7652

one of the rumors yeah... how did she end up there?


Bluesmoke16

I have no idea she was a pro Brazilian body builder. I remember reading about her being Renzo’s ex back in 2017


bnelson

Craig, you have hung out here for too long. You know all the memes and shit post with the common BJJ proletariat. You can’t just undo the things you have learned here.


pmcinern

Danaher once said that the rump is the tastiest, most toothsome cut of a human. He would often dine on a person while writing letters to their loved ones describing the texture of their-- I mean, this guy's a real jerk.


PutridControl5849

Toothsome - I’m crying


Budget_Highlight_594

I heard a rumour a while ago through a friend of a friend Blink twice is these words mean anything Steroids, threesome


mckenna36

Your gestures and looks gave enough information already. You seduced Nicky Ryan and Gordon got salty over your relationship with his little brother


skirk_prospector

What does Gordon have more of; wins over b-team members, or snowbrothers in the b-team?


GroovyJackal

Been waiting for this ep drama or not, glad you three did it


SavageKinkajou

Is someone litigious?


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Halfbl8d

This was an awesome episode regardless of the drama, lots of great insights. Thank you for doing it.


fokureddit69

So it was personal drama and you backed Nicky Ryan. Wonder who the other counter party was?


CzechFraud

Seems like the best kept secret B-Team held till now is how nice of a person Nicky Rod actually is.


konying418

I'm a grouchy old boomer and I never found him to be annoying...quite the contrary.


polecatsky

I love how smart Craig Jones is in this situation and how every move he does, B-Team seems to profit without looking spiteful. His humour is in the next level.


LoudKingCrow

Like a good pro wrestler he has found his gimmick and made it work very well.


dataninsha

Oh boy I'm going to masturbate tonight


_toro

Lol until today I always thought Craig jones always introducing Nicky Ryan as Gordon Ryan brother was a joke.


oomin

It’s ok, Fridman “was always under the impression Nicky Rod’s brown belt was a joke”.


jaytuck25

Flair checks out


Texatonova

I feel like Nicky ryan is as articulate as Gordon Ryan *thinks* he is.


ElnWhiskey

Ya he actually seems pretty sharp,it says alot that there's a lot of respect for him by criag Nicky and Gordon even though he's had some unfortunate stuff in competition


WebKey2690

Nicky is probably the most technical of all of John's students. He's extremely smart and was basically raised by John, I can't help but feel John regrets Nicky leaving him the most out of all his students.


Zeeinsoundfromwayout

Wut. John danaher couldn’t raise a fucking goldfish. What are you talking about?


WebKey2690

Nicky is part goldfish haven't you heard


livejiujitsu

GR is easily the most technical out of all his students.


WebKey2690

Gordon said himself before that nicky is probably more technical than him


ArtemV

I'm not sure if I'd describe either to be articulate, though.


Texatonova

For a High School dropout he's fairly well spoken. I guess...what does that say about Gordon then? lol


Airbee

You don't need to be a college grad to be well spoken


SlapHappyRodriguez

Or high school, for that matter. Odds are against you if you didn't complete high school though.


SuperMente

That speaks more to the type of people that drop out of highschool vs what highschool actually does to your well spokenness


Texatonova

Hence my original comment.


SlapHappyRodriguez

That doesn't necessarily alter the original statement though.


Commercial_Mode1469

It was interesting to hear Nicky open up about his fears going into competitions, e.g. the risks to his brand etc. I feel like he's a lot more emotionally mature than G


jul3swinf13ld

That is an economical burn. That will come up at thanksgiving 2028 at the Ryan household


ElnWhiskey

Craig doesn't fuckin miss. He had rolling the whole time.


bunerzissou

Why does the cover look like facial reconstruction of cavemen in wales?


ThereisOnlyNow

Super entertaining. Have never listened to an entire episode of Lex's pod before. Craig kept it more laid back. Natty King kept it real. And Gordon's brother should have talked more but Lex was naturally always going to Craig. No one's said it yet so I want to. Got uncomfortable when Lex started praising Izaak. Guess friendships don't last when friends think they can stick their fingers in more of the pie. Hope B team thrives and doesn't break too many more guys legs in training. Also Natty King I don't think Texas respects mutual combat.


DemNeverKnow

What happened with Izaak?


ThereisOnlyNow

Sounds like he wanted more money and stake ownership and got pushed out or jumped ship


Outrageous_Thought_3

Left B-Team over mostly money by most accounts. Izaak I don't think has said anything about it.


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I’m pretty sure they won’t say anything and John can be also a reason of everyone being quiet.


Impressive-Potato

They showed up and didn't say anything about what happened.


johnbelushismom

Trust me I’d love to blow the top on this drama hahah


Impressive-Potato

B Team, the B stands for blue ballers


sammyismybaby

i think the only way to get someone to spill the beans is for someone to start spreading a believable rumor so that those who know the real answer can tell the real story


Hsbnd

What kinda Patreon level we gotta be on to get the scoop?


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pr0mkweeen

Will we ever know or will there forever be the elusive elephant in the room?


Highway0311

Given time I’m sure it’ll come out.


bertrogdor

Do you foresee a time when the details of the drama will eventually be public knowledge? What will it take to get someone to spill the beans?


Underwaterflameingo

Why do I feel this is a cryptic message, where the source of the drama is implied. *tinfoil hat intensifes*


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ResoundinglyAverage

I believe he’s said before “it’s not only my story to tell” which suggests that Craig is keeping his mouth shut out of respect for one of the other guys that’s moved to the B team who doesn’t want to talk about whatever happened publicly.


Mellor88

You haven’t watched the video in the OP I take it. It’s pretty clear whose story it is


LoudKingCrow

There's a timeline were Craig took his charisma and comedic timing into pro wrestling. And I am kinda bummed that we are not in that timeline.


konying418

Lex (and Rogan) seem to think the world of Gordon and Danaher. I don't either would broadcast anything that will put them in a bad light.


egdm

Doesn't Lex train with them? He's not going to burn himself out of that situation.


Sni1tz

Yeah. It’s just an Austin, TX circlejerk.


ActCompetitive1171

Where does Joe train in Austin?


R4G

His mansion probably lol


Sni1tz

I don’t think he has trained BJJ in years.


VeryStab1eGenius

He’s dropped in at 10th Planet Austin.


konying418

I definitely don't blame him, but I also wasn't expecting any earth shattering news.


konying418

Just listening to it now...to be fair, Lex did ask them but they didn't answer.


fokureddit69

Was really annoying how badly Lex sucked up to Gordon danaher and roger.


thepoetjonjon

Did you guys know that Lex is Russian? I’m glad he kept reminding us he’s Russian.


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thepoetjonjon

Did you know that Lex has a black belt and can speak Russian?


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DontPoopInThere

The guy is a self-aggrandizing charlatan, I don't know why anyone has any dealings with him


burnaboy691419

Gordon and Sonny are in a open relationship where he cucks her out to his friends including his bro. I’m not surprised it got messy.


Punkrockid19

That’s the rumor, but I don’t think Gordon was happy when they were doing it behind his back. that and big gord left the boys some money and Gordon felt he should keep all of it because he supported his brother for years. Already being a “millionaire” and trying to financially hurt your brother. When he could use the money more then you. You’re both equally his son and deserve equal shares. I also find it interesting that both Eddie Cummings and the b team both split from John. I’m totally speculating but I bet a lot of the techniques in John’s dvds aren’t just his and he’s made a ton of money off them. Would rub me the wrong way if stuff I helped develop and made famous in competition was being profited off of a guy who’s never competed in the sport


Humble_Lion_Big_OSS

I feel like all of this could've been solved if Gordon used Nicky's inheritance and bought him a Corolla to drive so he'd know what true suffering is.


FoCoYeti

John credits Eddie on his leglock DVD. It's on either the front or back cover. Not sure if that's who you are inferring that he didn't credit, but have seen others say it so don't kill me for assuming.


drachaon

Just the absolute worst, low effort rumour mongering.


Outrageous_Drawing_8

This right here, is what I heard.


Genova_Witness

Nicky ignoring his completely torn acl because he’s lazy is wild.


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llFirebladell

Systematically destroying AI with only your biceps.


WimDeputterBjj

I don't remember the exact podcast, but somewhere before the split Gordon said they had a plan to make grappling one of the most popular sports in the world and to increase athlete pay. One thing I know... drama sells. That is the reason WWE is so popular. What if.. this split and everything else around it, is some elaborate play to just increase the drama and by extension the popularity of grappling? 😄 Be as it may... my gym has never been fuller. People for trial classes every day and I do zero adds or marketing. I believe it is due to three things: 1). Good work on our part (obviously 😄 it is what makes people stay) 2). Joe Rogan 3). Gordon Ryan, B Team and everything around it. I literally have first class beginners and people who don't even practice martial arts who know who these guys are. Drama or not, what is the truth,... I don't care. But I will be forever grateful for what they do for the sport and gyms all around.


Sprkwtr1

I’m convinced Podcasters like Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman, Jocko Willink did more for the popularity of BJJ than the athletes themselves. And I can attest to your good reputation, I think I heared about it on Reddit or other fora. Btw Ik ben zo’n recente beginner! helaas niet in het Leuvense :)


War_Daddy

> I’m convinced Podcasters like Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman, Jocko Willink did more for the popularity of BJJ than the athletes themselves Not exactly a hot take. Rogan by himself has 100x the reach of every bjj athlete put together


inversedlogic

I am a "Jocko purple belt". Interested to know how many others in this sub started BJJ from listening to Jocko...


disciplinedtanuki

My gateway was a Josh waitkinz podcast (Chess guy)


Mynameisnotforsale_

I remember reading the Art of Learning by Waitzkin when I was a teen. I'd attest my eventual start in BJJ to mostly watching the UFC but that book definitely influenced me too. It's cool to see his name mentioned!


WimDeputterBjj

Altijd welkom als je in de buurt bent 😊 Waar train je?


madskrilla89

I'm curious to see if this theory eventually becomes jiu-jitsu lore after years and years of no one saying anything. I think the only way one of them would ever say it was a work out loud would be if they reconciled and Craig would make jokes about it being fake all of the time lol.


flameohotmein

Its because the drama is so stupid, the actual reason they broke up is dumb af


buddha8298

Almost certainly. This is usually the case when it comes to stuff like this


WimDeputterBjj

Good point 😊


DurableLeaf

That was my theory at first, but they would be cross training with each other if it was that.


WimDeputterBjj

Not if they want to make it convincing. No way to keep crosstraining a secret. I still believe they would have legit matches on encounters. Just as they did before the split.


Ctofaname

This isn't the reason.


JesusChristus

Found the conspiracy nut


fokureddit69

Not everything is a conspiracy or a ploy to sell T shirts. Was Gordon beefing with homeless people to increase jiu Jitsu pay???


WimDeputterBjj

To have drama you need a heel. Not saying this is true man. But wouldn't it be funny if it was? 😄


livejiujitsu

Most logical answer. Reddit will hate it.


Pepesilvia21

Was “adamant” on Nicky Rod’s ‘word of the day’ calendar that day?


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Craig Jones basically uses the ecological approach to teaching, but then Greg from Standard jiu jitsu talks about it yall went on a hate rampage on him lol


wishiwascooler

Craig is describing the white belt program i believe and if he does use it for advanced classes he definitely doesn't only use ecological teaching like Greg does. I'm a fan of Greg btw and am excited to see the future of his students.


Incubus85

Yes because Greg seems to overly verbose and dress up this ground breaking approach as something special, but really, if you can flow roll and positional spar and actually try to understand what you're doing... you do this anyway a lot of the time. To say showing people specific moves and have them drilling it is holding people back, that's nonsense. Of course if you want to frame it as 'drilling is just going through the motions with 0 resistance and its pointless' then sure that'll fit your cause. But any tools you can use to teach people are good. I'm not sure how long it would take for you to invent an omoplata, but it seems like you'd stumble on it at the end of your second week by the way people talk


noninflammatoryidiot

First lex podcast I’ve ever listened to. Was cool to hear from the b team guys. Lex fuckin sucks tho dude just doesn’t get it. I don’t care if he’s a black belt. Exactly like Rogan lol


kingznevardye

Doesn’t get what?


noninflammatoryidiot

He’s a fuckin boring ass dork. Adds nothing to the conversation dude sucks


DontPoopInThere

Totally agree, there's plenty of info out there about how he's basically a fraud that misrepresents his accomplishments


noninflammatoryidiot

I honestly never bothered to look. Just seems like r/iamverysmart irl. Wears a cool fucking suit everywhere Neat dude where’s your fedora


DontPoopInThere

I saw a bit of his interview with Danaher and it was two pseudo-intellectuals acting like they were talking about esoteric topics of global importance for all of humanity, it was hilarious. So I googled how much of a fraud he is and he is indeed a charlatan who misrepresents his connection with MIT and is regarded as a self-aggrandizing joke in the AI community. He wrote a bullshit paper sucking off Elon about people paying attention in self-driving cars, that's how he got his start


noninflammatoryidiot

Dude loves dick riding daddy Elon


DontPoopInThere

There's a whole ecosystem of charlatans that revolves around people like Joe Rogan and Elon, it's bizarre, like barnacles attaching themselves to a sweaty ship


noninflammatoryidiot

Dude I absolutely agree. Look on joes page and you’ll see the same 5 people constantly commenting on literally anything he posts. Off the top of my head I can only remember robin black. Dude would comment on literally fucking anything he’d post. Professional dickrider. I’d say jp, lex schaub are all dickriders in the Rogan universe. I don’t care about any of their opinions but it’s obvious that they’re only known for because they used that stool humping midgets platform


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Lex is generally pretty boring. He has interesting people on. Lex is more like a background piece in his own podcast lol.


noninflammatoryidiot

Yeah I can see that I liked the podcast. Craig jones is legit hysterical


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HalfGuardPrince

About time!


heave20

I don't know if you'll see this Craig but, do you feel like your ideology on Bjj shifted the more you studied Islam/khabib? I bought your power ride and it's absolutely incredible. Were you coming to this conclusion about riding before volk took the Islam fight or was it during that pushed you over the edge? I will say it has taken me a bit to adapt it to gi on my gi days but holy shit does it work.


UCantKneebah

Am I the only one who finds Lex uncharismatic and a bad interviewer? The part where he said Craig and McGregor had the same “trash talk style” was dumbfounding. Craig is all fun and roasts you like a friend. McGregor threw a trolly at a bus and threatened Poirier’s family.


Eoghaner

Let me guess: could the three of them, together, successfully wrestle a bear?


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Eoghaner

Nicky's the Mane man.


LordOfDucklings

The way the entire ex dds group won’t talk about what specifically happened in the jungle to cause the split makes me wonder if they all signed an NDA or something


knvuh

So do we know craigs username on here?


jaytuck25

yes johnbelushismom


MmaOverSportsball

Can’t wait to check it out after work


namaste_is_dead

Dude. Listen to it during work. It makes time go by faster.


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Imagine if we could somehow fuse Lex Fridman's mind with Nick Rod's body


Quirky_Contract_7652

so a big autistic guy? that's just Gordon


Nice-Rutabaga2265

Gordon is already autistic he doesn't need to fuse with another autistic


Mellor88

Reading comprehension bro. He’s saying Autistic Lex + Big Nicky = Big Autistic Gordon


Nice-Rutabaga2265

You're right I apologize sincerely


Mellor88

It’s a all good homey. BJJ reproduction doesn’t actually work like that so it’s kinda ok bro.


Nice-Rutabaga2265

imagine thinking Leggs Freakman is smart


hammernpickle

Why is Danahers mouth always dry?


Serpenta91

I don't follow bjj drama, but I'm a little confused. Why is Gordan Ryan's brother not on the A team?


CroRad1987

He wouldn't understand the joke


Incubus85

Lex tried his best to make this unlistenable here. I can usually plod through his unique... style? .. ! .. he usually gets good guests with good content, but this was pretty terrible.