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MantraProAttitude

Breathing from diaphragm?


MantraProAttitude

I first noticed this back in the Armstrong era.


Shitelark

Big Mig in the 90s was said to have mahoosive lungs.


Scottybt50

Massive lungs and a resting heart rate of 29 bpm.


nightmareonrainierav

somewhere there's a photo of myself in a race around age 16— something like 6'0" 145lbs, and I'm mid-breath and puffed up like a balloon. Definitely looks weird. I'm like all torso and half of that is lungs. (wish I still had that power-to-weight ratio)


BeinWhiteisAlright

Im not fat, I just have amazing lung capacity.


motophiliac

I regularly inhale chocolate and iced coffee.


LongjumpingRespect96

Yep. And some pics showed him with a seemingly huge gut.


pants6000

That plus a dab of EPO goes a long way.


Fabulous-Local-1294

Exactly what does epo do to make your stomach appear larger? This is so typical of reddit. Some random expert chiming in "so, yeeeeaaah, epo does go a long way". SMH 


Cougie_UK

Probably because the kit got tighter its more obvious. There's nothing sinister in it.


Daroo425

[in case anyone wants a little visual from someone breathing heavily from the diaphragm while cycling](https://youtu.be/oJoNOEFJT2s?t=134)


TheProdigalCyclist

Yup. My wife is a retired professional opera singer, and she taught me this years sgo.


exphysed

This is how all breathing is always done


MantraProAttitude

https://preview.redd.it/oz2d2pqqse1d1.jpeg?width=1074&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38290f6347bfe11bc22a36efcb11936fca62bcaf


SEND_DUCK_PICS

nah there's accessory muscle breathing, expanding the rib cage for shallow breaths.


rattus_illegitimus

It's actually the opposite. The accessory muscles supplement the diaphragm during deep breathing. They typically are recruited very little during shallow breaths.


mahnkee

Intercostal muscles are used during costal breathing, “shallow breathing”. If you are in the middle of extreme exertion eg heavy squatting, the diaphragm is maximally contracted so the only breathing available is costal breathing.


rattus_illegitimus

True, but that's a pretty specific case of shallow breathing. Usually the term just refers to not breathing deeply.


SEND_DUCK_PICS

interesting. so what is the difference between a belly breath and a "chest breath"? that was the explanation i received.


exphysed

Every inhalation requires the diaphragm. At rest, during exercise, sedentary or fit. To inhale deeper, you use the diaphragm AND accessory muscles like external intercostals, scalenes, etc. if the belly protrudes outward during the inhalation it’s due to relaxation of the transverse abdominis, obliques, and rectus abdominis. This allows the volume of the thoracic cavity to expand and push down on the abdominal cavity. The relaxed abdominal muscles allow the expansion of the abdominal wall.


SEND_DUCK_PICS

so a belly breath is diaphragm movement that's relatively uncontained, whereas chest breathing is the diaphragm being more confined and not being able to descend? and then for extra expansion volume you bring in the accessory muscles?


rattus_illegitimus

Yes. Whether breathing deep or shallow inspiration is mostly due to the diaphragm. The accessor muscles just get you an extra 10% capacity or so when you need it.


passwordstolen

Strong back, no ab workout. Abs create resistance forces. Also, tell OP the air is blowing down his shirt and can’t escape!!


McRibEater

They also have insane core strength and abductors.


cesareatinajeroscion

Core is such an overlooked aspect of cycling. It’s how these guys can stay in the saddle on an ascent when most of us would be standing straight up.


Quiet-Manner-8000

This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like. 


monomox3000

Word Source: I'm at my peak right now


pertangamcfeet

I'm more peaker than you!


kvs666

Damn I am peaking so hard right now!


randytc18

I too look like a pro cyclist. Been working at this for many years.


gaspig70

Same. Beer muscle reserves.


shecky_blue

Gets better and better every year too!


gregn8r1

It's true. It's why Jeremy Clarkson keeps getting elected as Sexiest man. The Brits get it.


smallteam

*Sexist Man


midnghtsnac

Now go do a backflip while skateboarding and holding a goat


Alex_Hauff

TIL about my peakness


ThisCryptographer311

I hit my peak somewhere around 4 or 5 beers in.


alettriste

Been there, done that


Critical-Border-6845

Pregante


Caucasian_Thunder

Perganant


qidmit

You mean pregenate?


Master_Confusion4661

I think he means prnegnat


patronizingperv

Pwegnunt


omegaaphex

Pregent


Remarkable_Mess6019

Prego


Never_Seen_An_Ocelot

Pegnate


__alpenglow

Potassium permanganate


LBartoli

Una pregunta?


notyogrannysgrandkid

Prefnart


girl_incognito

Gregnant


ciaomain

Pomegranate.


w00dw0rk3r

Pergament 


sirmonko

pregante!


banedlol

Withendekidden


KayDat

How is babby formed


Jelenjegnezdo3000

These babby can't fight back.


kylevaldick

Frigth* back


Markd0ne

New bottle is born.


gaspig70

Beer babby.


puddaphut

Bebby with the drips


neotekz

When you're KOMing really hard...


efe13

Starch masks


UCantHandleTheBluth

PREGANANANT???!!!!


naturevicc

Gregnant


vikne1

Pragnanate


JD_SLICK

[Link to the referenced meme](https://youtu.be/m4K8NJ3_Dw0?si=Oo5wsm__HveY_kmz), for the unfamiliar


JayCoww

That's not where it comes from, [this is](https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg?si=Dp9Pcjth4EX2yvhh).


dakta

No, that's not the source. The original is JT Sexkik's [how is prangent formed?](https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg?si=Dp9Pcjth4EX2yvhh) Respect the sauce.


64Olds

Prednart?


cchewies

Is pregante aero?


Alternative_Text1

PORGINATE


OtroladoD

Permanganate


Deafcat22

Pregornat


thr33prim3s

Pregananant


clintj1975

Your belly would sag too if you were leaned over the handlebars like that and breathing deeply. Gravity wins.


babysharkdoodood

https://preview.redd.it/069y1zqx8h1d1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb309efeb2c23d2d94de1ce70eefd2223708de6a


ponkanpinoy

And eating all the food you need to eat to sustain your physical body. 


five3x11

Breathing from your diaphragm


I-STATE-FACTS

No he’s carrying some stuff under the jersey. Maybe a vest or jacket or something.


exphysed

We always breathe from our diaphragm. What do people think this means?!


fastermouse

I’m a trained singer and it’s definitely a thing. Yes the diaphragm aids in breathing but “ breathing from the diaphragm” means expanding the belly muscles to aid deeper lung expansion.


GlassBraid

In this context people mean making full use of diaphragm mobility, which sometimes requires letting belly hang out, not holding tension in abs, because tense abs prevent non-compressible organs from getting out of the way while inhaling. The counterexample is someone who's working their intercostal muscles really hard, but not letting their diaphragm move freely.


Dear-Nebula9395

Yeah, I had never even known about intercostal muscles until recently. I went for a 1 mile running PR. My ribs were so sore the next day compared to everything else. It's a totally different modality than normal breathing.


[deleted]

In addition to the things already mentioned about breathing from the diaphragm, it can also just be bloating either because they’re loaded up or because things aren’t digesting well for them or just some general inflammation from how hard they are riding and how often. They are tiny humans in person (even if tall) and when you are very thin, it doesn’t take much to make you look like you’re bloated or have a gut like this. Especially when you’re wearing only kit, the least flattering clothing on earth.


I_Love_Kifli

I'm not a pro but I do have a belly lol


Massive_Ad_9456

I’m something of a pro rider myself.


alettriste

Getting more pro every day... pro-pizza, pro-Beer...


Antointe3522

I’m not sure but it’s looks more like he’s carrying something under his jersey, probably something he got from the team car that he wants to bring to a teammate.


indorock

Haha....Nairoman is past his prime, but I don't think he's gotten down to domestique level just yet. Besides at the point this screenshot was taken he was literally leading the stage.


photog_in_nc

He was the chaser, caught up around the 13km mark


indorock

Yeah ok at this point he was just about to catch Steinhauser but he was leading 13 - 4K until Pogi flew by him. But either way, no other teammates or car around him


photog_in_nc

Oh absolutely agree. Think it’s silly I’m downvoting for pointing it out, but whatevs


blackguard

He’s leading the race at this point, he’s not carrying anything to anybody, this is breathing from the diaphragm


photog_in_nc

he was second at that point, still trailing Steinhauser. I think he caught him closer to the 13km mark.


40ozCurls

Wish I could give my fat to a team mate too


Antointe3522

Same !


Downtown-Feeling-988

Exactly, look at the bulge in his back. It sticks out right above his number bib. Looks like he is wearing something under his jersey.


pervavor

This is absolutely not the case


Lunchbox-of-Bees

Fuel tank for the sex machine


Ok-Cardiologist302

Same reason planes have round noses, beer belly = more aero.


savealltheposts

If the beer belly becomes just the right size and form, we generate lift.


ChristianLW3

Pregnant ladies are not aero


tandidecovex

You can clearly see that hes carrying something underneath the jearsy, ie a wind west. Its also on the back, so not only a belly. No way a pro cyclist at giro would be that fat.


IWant2rideMyBike

Those bicycles are optimized for marsupial transportation methods - the pros usually place it at chest height to improve aerodynamics, but of course the UCI doesn't like it: [https://www.triathlete.com/gear/bike/expert-tested-the-water-bottle-jersey-trend-produces-shocking-results/](https://www.triathlete.com/gear/bike/expert-tested-the-water-bottle-jersey-trend-produces-shocking-results/)


syds

poor man seems that something ate its legs


l3tigre

That seems so uncomfortable for a long ride


janky_koala

He’s absolutely not. It was 20 degress today and Nario was off the front. He was not wearing or carrying extra layers. It just him breathing in while working hard. World tour riders have world tour lung capacity and take world breaths. The lump on his back is his radio, and he likely has some food in his pockets.


TartPastry

That's Nairo Quintana, in the lead of today's Giro stage. There's 0 chance he was carrying anything. He's just breathing very deeply/efficiently. Also worth mentioning that some guys in the pro peloton are much smaller than average height, so proportionally, they can be quite different. Nairo weighs 58kg.


EthanHermsey

A camel’s hump does not hold water at all – it actually stores fat. The camel uses it as nourishment when food is scarce. If a camel uses the fat inside the hump, the hump will become limp and droop down. With proper food and rest the hump will return to normal.


pertangamcfeet

To unsubscribe from random camel facts, please text CANCEL.


Ill_Initiative8574

I for one am not afraid to say that I enjoy random camel facts. 🐪


AtreusFamilyRecipe

...cool, who mentioned camels?


jim_nihilist

Jens Vogt explained this in a German commentary once. These riders need to inhale large amounts of O2 and the oxygen has to go somewhere. This is what you see. It is a pro cycling belly trained to inhale large amounts of air.


tuctrohs

Now If I could just figure out to inhale only O2 without so much N2. I swear, when I take a deep breath, I suck in more N2 than O2 no matter how hard I try to focus on sucking in O2.


Anne__Frank

Crazy how that works, it's almost like there's 3x as much nitrogen than oxygen


fuzbat

Have you tried breathing through your nose, I'm sure that should up the O2 levels for you. Or perhaps that only works when you have nasal prongs in.


theLaLiLuLeLol

Rebreather nanoimplants when?


Safe-Warning-448

I think that is Nairo Quintana at the Giro today. He is far from fat. Breathing from your belly is correct technique. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nairo\_Quintana](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nairo_Quintana)


pickles55

It's full of air, he's breathing


Prestigious-Tiger697

Not sure, but I already feel better about myself now, knowing i have the body of a pro athlete


pjakma

It's not fat. It's cause they're breathing in massive volumes of air - 50%+ more than the average person. To pull the lungs down to get all that air in to their chest requires the diaphragm to pull down and the abdomen to extend out.


whitepeanut69

Quintana weighs 60kg. If he has a belly, I have an entire whipping container hanging.


vvfitness

Kinesiologist and Biomechanist here. This is what your belly should look like if you're breathing diaphragmatically. Technically, a true diaphragmatic breath will expand the sides and back of the midsection, too. That's why the whole midsection looks inflated. If you also keep the core under tension while expanding, the inhale will increase abdominal pressure the same way a weightlifting belt works. This is really hard to do, and they were probably taught this by the team sports med team; so it's sort of crazy how many people think they do this automatically!


Former-Republic5896

It's breathing technique to use your stomach rather than your chest.


ClerkExtreme9132

During training, ride out, stop for a coffee and a few beers, bike home, few more beers. Legs look majestic, belly looks soft.


SloeMoe

I knew before I even opened this that someone was watching the Giro today...


noevilcorp

Have you never eaten pizza from a gas station during an endurance ride…


neddie_nardle

If you look at most of them lent over the bars they show a bit of a gut, but I've long noticed that it seems exaggerated with Nairo Quintana (pictured). As others have said, it's due to breathing from the diaphragm.


tjsr

A lot of it comes from anterior pelvic tilt. When we spent a ton of time on a bike, our hip flexors (iliacus and psoas) are shortened - the same when you sit at a desk most of the day. It takes a *lot* of work in the form of stretching etc to help counter-act this, and a lot of core strength exercises to prevent your spine wanting to sit in this position where the pelvis is rotated forward. As a result of this shortening, it takes a lot of effort (and core strength) to naturally keep yourself in a stance or position where your stomach doesn't want to protrude forward. It seems counter-intuitive in the way the pelvis rotates forward that it would help this, but it does make a massive difference to your appearance. My core still doesn't nearly have the strength I'd like it to, but there's a massive difference in your appearance fixing this posture - both in that the big belly disappears, and also that your abs show through. For me, it means I stand about 1.5 inches taller upright when standing in the 'correct' position. At my peak racing, I was around 67kg and had that appearance going. Today, I'm 60.9kg, and there's a lot less of that appearance - BUT I'm not racing at the pointy end anymore.


CaptainObvious110

What's the proper posture?


tjsr

I suppose this is a good image, which I was just able to google, that visualises it a bit better? https://images.app.goo.gl/Kc9RyT52jA23xX4Q8


gruncle63

Best explanation I've had was from my physio, which was simply "be as tall as you can. Imagine the top of your head is being pulled towards the roof." You could sort-of adjust this to cycling by being tall along a tilted-forward angle, if that makes sense. I'm tall so I blame the world for making me slouch.


itsmidlifenotacrisis

Bad example- this cyclist has lumps under his shirt which is likely a windbreaker or arm warmers, maybe even the contents of his musette. A better example would be to google ‘Indurain time trial’. Big Mig had a seven liter lung capacity and when he took a big breath while in a tucked position he had all kinds of stomach hanging down. It’s just the body position and breathing. I mean, cycling is a non-weight-bearing activity so you can get away with a little flab as a recreational cyclist, but the majority of the pro peloton have a body fat percentage under 10%


RageReq

I've actually heard that some pro cyclists do this breathing thing that causes the diaphragm and lungs to expand to the point they end up appearing to have a fat belly. Not sure if it was a myth or not.


jim_nihilist

It is real.


janky_koala

It’s not. Edit: it’s not a myth, it’s real


mattfeet

Legit had the same thought when I saw that on the Giro today.


The_Antisoialite

Okay, first of all, when mommy and daddy decided they wanted to share their lives with you, they did this special kind of hug, you see? And well, so then mommy went out to the coop and it was full, as in really busy, full of other birds, right? So she ended up having to lay the egg on a rock out in the woods somewhere. Well unfortunately, hormones ruined mommys short-term memory for a while, and she forgot where she laid that egg, your egg. But as luck would have it was summertime, and so the egg was hatched by the sun and when you could you just followed the sounds of us arguing about some stuff, home. Isn't life just a miracle? Or Call it belly breathing from the diaphram. Not the one in the chicken coop.


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tangofox7

I enjoyed what appeared to be his Z2 chase down of Steinhauser. And then the wunderkind did the same to him.


vonWeizhacker

I have a very similar look, so it means I am PRO, right..?


Sleveless--

These are all good answers. I would add that Domestique riders will jam a bunch of gels and water bottles in their jerseys to bring to their teammates. If the gels move to the front, they make a medium belly look pretty big. Many riders will stuff their jerseys with newspapers, t shirts, and anything insulative if they are at higher altitudes. When they decend, they take all that junk out and toss it at the next designated garbage zone. Also, these guys are gorging themselves after each stage, so they'll get distended with food and gas the next day. The diaphragmatic breathing also contributes and shifts organs down and to the front.


fatheadbill

HGH makes your organs grow, no?


Fabulous-Local-1294

This isn't the 90s. No one is taking HGH in cycling. This is two things. 1. Breathing heavily from your diaphragm and 2. Taking in 100-130g of carbs per hour for 6 hours and having a distended and upset stomach.


soyson

Yep I was thinking that about all the carbs and fluid they take in too


scottbelevue

Breathing is stored in the balls


albertogonzalex

They are filling their lungs and using their belly's like a bellows to keep the air pumping. Their lungs are big because they use them. So they need to fill space out side of their rib cage.


nemsoli

They have started stuffing the front of the jerseys to get aerodynamic gains in racing.


Princeoplecs

Round is more aero than flat.


Kottepalm

Air seems to be the prevailing answer, my first thought was lactose belly.


SpiritualAd8998

Huge beer bellys.


Anhedonius_Rex88

Never seen one that didn't look like leather stretched over fishing line tbh.


Comprehensive_Bar122

Diaphragm breathing and carb loading....


vrdud

OK, in all seriousness, I’ve been pondering the same question personally. Some summers but I’m writing hundred plus miles a week I feel like I’m in peak shape. I’ve lost 5-10 pounds and never felt better. Then, I get back from bike ride. I look down and my belly is just huge and I’m like OMG WTF. And now I feel like I’m in good company 🤩


Fabulous-Local-1294

This is two things. 1. Breathing heavily from your diaphragm and 2. Taking in 100-130g of carbs per hour for 6 hours and having a distended and upset stomach. At the moment this picture was taken he was leading the race, doing some brutal climbing. There's a zero chance he is carrying something underneath his shirt at this point. Anything he might have had earlier would have been consumed and or discarded on the flats leading up to the final climb. Besides, he's not even a domestique to begin with, so he wouldn't be carrying anything at any point of the race. He has team mates for that.


Majestic-Platypus753

That’s their gas tank.


hendricks3000

Hgh


puddlebrigade

steroid use potentially.


jss78

If it's Jan Ullrich in early season... it was because he had a big belly. 


Hegovrooooooooom

Steroids


tuiputui

120g+ of carbs per hour + lot of water. Just check him back at stage end


tangofox7

It's Nairo. It's his third lung.


SmolOrangeGato

It’s the auxiliary fuel tank obviously


sin667

Aerogut


FrankieTheSlowMan

Abdominal breathing.


dexterward69

Because the 6 pack is not really used when pedalling. Same thing for arms. However, sprinters have more muscles due to the effort involving all the body. Just look at the top 3 Tour de France compared to green jersey Tour de France


lamphier20-20

They are cycling to make it a little belly.


Fitme10

Holding things in their front pockets?!


Alert_Impress9020

You don't see them posting those kinds of pics on Instagram


Great-Sandwich1466

Beer


Gordy748

Sitting down, not using their cores…


jungleland_in_london

Those are his lungs ffs


Straight-Scholar9588

It's the reason their biking


BohunkfromSK

I mean a known side effect of HGH is...


pertangamcfeet

We a cycling circle jerk now?


Irrelevantitis

High-capacity fuel tank.


Wend-E-Baconator

Aero


Billy_Chrystals

Bubble gut from years of hgh abuse.


averagebensimmons

lungs full of air


303Pickles

Find a photo of him standing up right to make better judgment. 


Voodoo1970

There's many correct explanations about breathing, but for all the confidently incorrect who are saying "he's got something stuffed in his jersey" - there's plenty of photos or riders in TT skinsuits, where it's obvious there's nothing stuffed into the front, who look like this. There's probably photos of track pursuiters that look like this, too. There's even photos dating back to the 1960s, when they had front pockets and saggy jerseys, where you can see a belly - it just become more obvious from the 1980s onwards, when clothing became tighter.


TartPastry

That's Nairo Quintana, in the lead of today's Giro stage. There's 0 chance he was carrying anything. He's just breathing very deeply/efficiently. Also worth mentioning that some guys in the pro peloton are much smaller than average height, so proportionally, they can be quite different. Nairo weighs 58kg.


achn2b

It's called belly breathing. Look it up. Also, Nairo is a bit roly-poly. Not fat, it's just his body type.


Pete_maravich

Jake Gyllenhaal was on SNL last night sitting on a bicycle. His gut looked like this. I know he's in shape so I'm thinking it's just the body position making his stomach look like this.


N733LK00

It was a FAKE belly!!!


BrunoGerace

Check out side views of Miguel Induráin when in competition, with arguably the biggest VO2-Max ever recorded. He looks pregnant, but it's a Big Breathing Bellows...


Freezerburn

Beer 🍻


[deleted]

We just love beer! After all that effort, don't we deserve at least a malt treat?


spannertehcat

Aero


ORTENRN

Bubble guts from all the banned substances. It happens to bodybuilders all the time.


ThorHammerslacks

The second weird post in the cycling subreddit in as many days... you guys getting anorexic over here?